The Ever Spinning Wheel of Furry Drama

[@That_One_Xatu]

I think a small part of the reason why the furry fandom has so much more drama - and it's seemingly endless - is because just how absolutely MASSIVE it is. One furry could be a dude in his 40's, a red-blooded, gun toting, Christian, American man with a wife and three kids; another furry could be a 30-something lesbian woman who has gone to every single local furry con in the past 5 years; and another could be a 20-something, asexual, non-binary person who barely engages with the fandom at all and only considers themself a furry because they like Sonic the Hedgehog. Those three theoretical people might all be furries, but they live in totally different worlds from each other. All three could connect with each other or despise each other for any number of reasons; if they even are aware the other exists at all. And if even one of these people make a mistake, are revealed to be a terrible person, or any other negative thing happens with them that could turn into drama, BAM! Broader (online) society blames all furries as a whole. No furry is safe from being dragged down by the mistakes and/or crimes of others.

[@buzzygaming7667]

It's because of the way people in here think

[@Gxutboi]

Agreed tbh

[@HARRAWISH]

true

[@abzollozdol251]

I feel like wherever there is people, there is bound to be drama. The furry fandom however seems to generate an incredible amount, and this can be for a lot of reasons: people outside the fandom just looking for a reason to hate furries more, the fact that the fandom tends to be a little too accepting at times making it easy for bad actors to slip in, and the fine line the fandom tends to ride on with what is socially acceptable in terms of sexual arousal. As someone who is perpetually afraid of being roped into drama , it makes things difficult. I just wanna draw dragons for pete's sake.

[@Scaevola9449]

Mental Illness

[@dogsyper]

As a non furry do like some of the fandom and people. I suck to see so many go through so much. Anime fandom has it bad to. I agree with what you said about Fandom being accepting. Gatekeeping can be helpful. and help keep those bad actors away. More of us need to guard a fandom but with a also greet those that real do want to join with open arms. It hard to find the right ones.

[@wickedalpaca2343]

people can never even think of the idea that maybe the furry fandom itself is the problem

[@U.R.coolkid]

@@wickedalpaca2343 the idea of liking anthro characters or thinking they're cool is what the actual fandom is about, as it's very concept. I dont see how it'd be bad? It is very general however

[@afunkylittleguy]

Imo I think the problem is simply the fact it is so massive. I've noticed a trend with bigger communities it seems like there is more drama, when in reality there is just more people. But with more people means that it allows bigger groups of people to find a "safe space" to do whatever they want which leads to stuff like this slipping through.

[@iriskrane2433]

Khord appearing in the background like a legit horror monster.

[@hollowbox5723]

*jumpscare*

[@JewelWildmoon]

Now we just need the FNAF jumpscare sound

[@oldmonkey7720]

which he is....

[@imagery5425]

KHORD KITTY JUMPSCARE.

[@Lunablues23]

When?

[@ch3w]

I’m not a furry but I’m so invested in furry drama that I specifically made dinner for this video

[@BlisaBLisa]

no same i cant stop watching this stuff furries have the most interesting bizarre drama lmao

[@ca_lcium]

I love furry and art community drama even though I'm not part of either

[@fruitgrenade9756]

ikr

[@kenos911]

@@BlisaBLisa dumb internet drama is just interesting to me furry or not

[@BlisaBLisa]

@@kenos911 same lol the furry community just tends to have a lot of interesting drama bc theres a lot of eccentric people there. also because furries tend to be artists and artists are VERY drama-prone for some reason. the broader art community is full of dumb drama too. its like reality tv for me

[@RudeMyDude]

Besides the harkness test, when it comes to "feral" art, I think it matters if they're anthropomorphised too. Maybe just diet sus for some, but there's a pretty big difference with growing up with a crush on characters like Simba/Scar/Kovu etc (Characters that can talk, have cartoonish color palettes and human like expressions, obviously don't exist) and getting off to sfm stuff of a literal german shepard, just straight up a dog.

[@butterscottowo]

What about feral quadruped that don’t exist, as in the species lore has a whole existing bestiary entry. I’m gatekeeping dragons and griffons tho Unicorn and pegasus is no but tikbalang and other minotaurs, centaurs, centipede, centitaurs, and minocentaurs are good to go. IMO

[@braphog63]

I do feel like a lot of people think anthropomorphism is an exclusively physical thing when it really isn't. Simba for example is like... more human than lion, honestly. Someone ending up with a Simba crush probably doesn't end up there just because they think "wow I never knew lions were this hot, damn" there's an entire human dude in that lion. At least in my opinion it's totally different to... those feral characters, the ones where the owner acts like they're on a mission to make it clear it's Literally Just A Dog.

[@RudeMyDude]

@@butterscottowo I think that's when the harkness test comes in. Are they adults that can communicate consent and have the intelligence to consent? Then it's all good.

[@RudeMyDude]

@@braphog63 Exactly!

[@butterscottowo]

@@RudeMyDude Dragons are the source of magic, they don’t just gargle and growl like a burping orc. Even fictional world have have fictional languages, it’s called a conlang or a constructed language. It’s not just the harkness test that builds up something that consent. Without a culture they can’t communicate through words, if they have their own constructed sign language bc that would be neat. Also scrap the “if it can communicate” tick box bc it just excludes mute characters, they can be taught by their local groups from their tribes, or a local citizenship.

[@santossmith9847]

my boyfriend befriended a furry who would poke fun at us for being a gay couple. it was light hearted at first, every now and then when he hadn't been in a discord voice chat with us he would just pop in and say "how are my 2 favorite fa#s doing?"... which eventually devolved into him popping into what ever chat we happen to be in (if we were in the same servers) and practically yelling "GAAY!!" then promptly leaving... he eventually changed his fursona from a skulldog to a baby sheep and we had asked him about it. he told us he's been wanting to be a baby fur for a while now so he got some commissions done. they were clean images of just an anthro baby sheep in a diaper but once we started jabbing him back about being a baby fur he got SOO offended. we told him that his "HAH YOU"RE GAY" routine was old when he started yelling it at us.... his response boiled down to "ok but im still gonna do it but please dont make fun of me for being a baby fur, I'm sensitive"... we are no longer friends with him

[@Homodemon]

Kinda ironic of a zoopedo to be outright homophobic ngl

[@santossmith9847]

@@Homodemon Atlantis Morsette: isnt it ironic, dont ya' think? lol

[@samuelhaverghast2442]

double standards, basically

[@chip4039]

I'm not comfortable with baby furs. It seems too close to pedophilia and it gives our community a bad name

[@adrianalvarez1990]

babyfurs really think theyre some sort of minority honestly delusional

[@user-ol1ep1yf8g]

It feels strange to be a "furry" in the far east, and see all of these drama stuff happen in the Internet.

[@confusedaf1112]

Where in the far east, out of curiosity

[@pro-hz7kx]

Russian furry?

[@Derping098]

Lesson learned: avoid Twitter like the plague

[@FurryestX]

Good choice, DO NOT TOUCH twitter Its better... for everyone I dont know why it keeps existing

[@petis1477]

@@FurryestX that you can say to mostly anything on internet, if not twitter than reddit, if not reddit than discord, you get it

[@itsflappletime]

Please do touch twitter. Staying away from other perspectives isn't healthy

[@lyl_es9421]

@@FurryestX id rather touch twitter than tumblr its the lesser evil

[@FurryestX]

@@lyl_es9421 wait... tumbrl still being a thing in 2022?

[@sorenshaffer831]

The Hospital is legally required to keep you there until you're sent to a psych ward if you attempt suicide. I know this from experience. Even if it's something like a threat to kill yourself after an accident they still have to keep you or if you're in there for overdosing.

[@norsehawk]

And even the smallest shotgun would make a huge hole

[@sorenshaffer831]

@@norsehawk yeah I do know its possible but not without severe deformation my step dad was an EMT for Jackson Michigan and Casper Wyoming said some guy attempted suicide and only blew off his jaw

[@uberfreak2]

they didnt keep my spouse and he was back in the hospital a few days later

[@DystopianOverture]

Either the guy was lying for clout or suffered from an industrial bout of medical malpractice. Either way it's a fucked up situation.

[@Kriscross_lmao]

Babe wake up the new Lagovirt video just dropped

[@riley2099]

real

[@H3XED_OwO]

real

[@Ghostman223]

I don't understand this meme

[@cuipq]

Real

[@SnepBlepVR]

@@Ghostman223 i would explain it, but i only *sorta* understand it

[@KianTheRaccoonKing]

the term "babyfur" confiused me for a quite a bit. for a while I thought it meant a younger person who is a fur. like how a younger member of the goth communitie were referred to as "baby bats"

[@rosennacht7624]

I thought this too for a bit lmao

[@King0nyx]

Honestly the constant drama is why I kinda distanced myself from being as social in the fandom.

[@furrytroopersunited9479]

Yeah, if you let the drama bother you it tends to make you act like that. I just ignore it and have fun

[@King0nyx]

@@furrytroopersunited9479 yeah but I mean it gets ridiculous to the point artists will blacklist you for enjoying or commissioning art from other artists they don't like. Or how there are a ton of cliques to point you will get treated like an outsider if you're not "in the loop" so to speak. I get the whole fandom isn't like that, and in fact it's mainly just a small portion that are, but it's a pretty vocal minority that seems to be continuing to grow.

[@heckinborkk]

This^^ I'm not on any major furry social media, I very rarely post on twitter and only lurk on my local furry Facebook page.

[@King0nyx]

@@heckinborkk I made the mistake of giving my first attempt at being social in the community on a site notorious for being extremely toxic. I didn't know it at the time, but it really soured my view on the fandom from a social aspect. Now I really just stick to commissioning art and on occasion commenting on furry related KZbin channels.

[@Asalieri2]

same.

[@stupidsamoyed]

you just gotta love this fandom mhm totally no drama at all nothing to cover up mhm lagovirt videos >>>> my sleep schedule

[@H3XED_OwO]

fr

[@hollowbox5723]

Heck yeah

[@voluminum8162]

not only did someone claim that feral artists "slashed" their tires, but someone else "joked" about "accidentally" spilling battery acid onto kaim over their feral art. they got banned off twitter for the post. that kinda shit's on the same tier as extreme anti-furs "joking" about shooting up furry conventions.

[@calvaryishere1632]

I do genuinely wish all people who get off to dogs and anatomically correct animal penises a very nice I hope you get mauled by a dog

[@mochalatte8362]

I wouldn't really joke about shooting anyone smh (except when I actually know that person in real life in talking jokes and stuff)

[@hellishcyberdemon7112]

i think in recent days a lot of furries carry guns because of the risk of violence from other groups

[@zapdog_]

and then there’s the people straight up calling sfw ferals zoophiles ah yes, furry racism

[@djzorori]

Regarding this whole Splatoon incident, there's this discourse post about children expressing disgust about having to see nsfw art of fictional characters from a media that's targeted towards a demographic of kids (with the example of MLP in mind). A lot of the replies and QRTs dramatically missed the point as well as the context behind it and instead blamed the kids by saying "why are they in adult spaces, that's like giving kids access to alcohol", "why are kids even on the internet in the first place", and "where are their parents" despite society becoming more independent on the web and technology, and kids need the web to do school stuff these days. What exacerbates the problem is that you can easily stumble across nsfw of fictional characters by just a google search, even with the safe filters on. A good chunk of replies state how traumatized they were from stumbling upon nsfw and fandom content when they were like 10. I've seen a fair share of pretty strange video game flash animations featuring Mario, Mega Man, Pokemon, and Sonic before I hit my double digits and I had unsupervised access to the web, and I blame myself for getting curious and it's the reason why I'm desensitized to most fandom content now. That's one thing. It's another to go out of your way to subject your strange fetishes to kids. I'm all for having a freedom to express yourself when it comes to an artistic vision of drawing fictional characters, including nsfw, and I'm not here to kink-shame people if stuff like this is what they're into. But furries should be mindful of the intended demographics and restrain themselves. Don't complain that this is "violating" freedom of expression when kids and those who care pretty much have every right to express their concern. Parents don't need to supervise their kids over a game that's primarily for them. Meanwhile, do what you can to help children have a better experience on the web. Make it explicitly clear that your content is not for kids. Start tagging things. Upload your lewd works to adult-oriented sites. Use uncommon keywords to make it difficult to find so it doesn't appear in the search functions (this way, you have to actually look for it in order to stumble upon it). One of these days, Splatoon 3 is going to get rid of this whole miiverse like art post thing for the better because of this, and people are going to wonder why fans can't have anything nice. (I had to re-type all this out again bc it got deleted when I was trying to edit this :/)

[@ashwinghm]

Amen. 'Nuff said.

[@peppermintgal4302]

It always amazes me how people will say freedom of expression protects their right to say whatever they want, when that... simply isnt the case. People have a right to post NSFW content, they don't have a right to post it *in any specific place they want to.* And theres a variety of common sense reasons for this --- not subjecting children to creepy fetish art is one of those reasons. (I'm preaching to the choir, I know, I just thought I'd add these facts to the record.)

[@PKSunset]

I feel that shit you said about coming across flash animations as a kid, my exposure was Renamon and Lucario. Looking back, that was a r*pe bondage animation. I was 12.

[@AngloSaxonWheatFarmer]

It should be simple, either the cons are 18+ only, or the cons should be family friendly, you can’t mix those two together. Once again it’s furries simply not addressing the issue of the community being so open that it hurts people

[@Vesperad0]

That really does piss me off. Not even as a furry (mainly cuz I'm not, just here to watch), just in general. It's like people have this idea in their heads that children are more privileged or respected than grown ass adults, when literally almost every single person alive remembers being talked down to as a child?? I'm a teenager myself and I still feel and get disrespected because I'm younger, adults just aren't treated that way. It's always easier to blame a hypothetical parent and act like the internet is just for pornography of children's shows instead of recognizing your in a space where children/minors typically engage. Cuphead, Bendy, FNAF, Undertale/Deltarune, Minecraft in general, The Owl House, Amphibia, My Little Pony, and so many more shows I used to watch/fandoms I were a part of had chronic porn. Even when the characters were children themselves. As a minor saying all of this I was never taken seriously or fought against, and I can hardly see that changing even as being a legal 'adult' (because in what world is an 18 year old an adult pls). It's either "you're too young to get it kid" or "yOuRe ObSeSsEd WiTh iT" as if calling out and recognizing possibly predatory behavior makes yourself one. A "reverse uno" doesn't work when it comes to predatory behavior, you can't call someone who recognizes pdf filia or says you shouldn't flood a space mainly of children with porn...a PDF file themselves. Like they'll do anything to avoid responsibility. The world has a variety of age groups and interests, and same ofc goes for the internet. Just like how there are spaces for families, only adults, and so on, there should be those same barriers online. Sure it's much harder to keep considering anyone can lie about their age, either being a dumb kid who says they're 65 or a grown ass person saying they're 15 to fit in with minors, but it still should be reinforce. You can...enjoy, I guess, your nsfw art. But telling you it should be separate from the main fanbase and not everywhere doesn't make someone "the actual ped", or a ""prude"". Which, yes, I've unfortunately heard before. Didn't know prude was a good enough argument, but then again to some of those people making an actually harmless queer headcanon (esp as a child yourself) is worse than drawing porn of a child. It may not be illegal or a real child being harmed, but nonetheless it's incredibly disturbing how people see a fictional character from the ages of 0 to 17 (18-19 in certain cases) and thinks that's hot. Especially when that character is a child/teen in every sense of the word-childish, squeaky voice, short, highly emotional, etc-yes those traits can be found in adults but let's not rely on whataboutism to change the topic. It's gross, and shows just how much society at large has no respect for children. They have to move aside for porn they can live without, while children and anyone else who acknowledges them as equal humans is mocked.

[@sagia4645]

Wheel of Morality, turn, turn, turn! Tell us the lessons that we should learn!

[@paintedsmile5282]

Honestly don't really understand why Furries didn't just adopt the "Silence, Brand" laser eye crab meme (or something based off it) that the rest if the internet adopted when people got tired of brand's Twitter accounts trying to be relatable.

[@NexLegacyAccount]

As someone who is both furry and into pup play/animal roleplay, no, no it is not the same. I'm broke too but I'm not about to act like a piece of kink gear that is specifically made to be kink gear "isn't kink". Not only is it objectively false, it's extremely disrespectful to the communities the gear was made for. And yes, the pup with the rubber husky mask complaining about Barq's decision is prominent in the pup play kink communities. Tbh he should know better. Edit: I have a stoned theory about the "is feral artwork inherently zoophilic?" question. A lot of millenial and even gen x media involved feral anthropomorphised animal characters. Just about every Disney movie involving animals, and multiple Don Bluth films featured feral characters with human minds. From what I've seen with newer generations, there are much more humanized anthro animal characters featured in influential films and media. Even media for very young children has leaned more toward humanized characters. Older generations grew up connecting with anthro feral characters, so are more likely to see them the same as humanized anthro characters.

[@rad6286]

If it passes the harkness test, I dont see a reason to bitch about it.

[@NexLegacyAccount]

@@rad6286 Exactly. The only reason real zoophilia is disgusting is because animals can't give informed consent. If a character is physically Feral but has the same mental capacity as a human, there's no moral issue.

[@Tazer_Silverscar]

Minors are something of a lead bullet to the fandom. It feels like there are some people intentionally encouraging minors to join the fandom - which of course, any puritanical child encouraged to do so WOULD call out people for adult content. On the other side, conservative minded minors who entered the fandom by some other route only to reject it, might definitely start going a bit nuts and claiming that a person owning a character having any animal qualities at all is a zoophile. Or worse, a converted zoophile (of which there sadly ARE minors) might start going down that route to justify their twisted mental state. I don't mind minors wanting to join the cleaner parts of the fandom (they do exist... bit hard to find though). But there should be more effort made to keep them out of the adult side. I say that as someone who joined as a minor myself. I can't confirm that I myself would have stayed in clean areas as a teenager if they existed (this is like, 20 years ago, they did not), but I do agree there should be bigger barriers to stop kids getting in. Because hooo boy was I too young for that shit. The most minors should have access to is cute, clean romances, not full on hardcore sex.

[@thedrake5072]

For how diverse the Fanbase is, the Drama seems to stays the same.

[@beancraver4048]

I used to feel bad for the furry fandom since it looked like they got alot of shit flung at them. Now I struggle to feel bad for most of them. Like, holy shit, it's like these people try to make themselves look bad on purpose

[@SawBSketch]

theyre still a select amount of people, it doesnt make the people who arent part of it become a part of it

[@rosennacht7624]

There’s bad apples in every community, the furry fandom just happen to be so large that it has a few handfuls.

[@X77__]

fucking hell I love how reasonable you are and that's why I'm subscribed to you

[@mechamicro]

Cute rabid

[@the_pseudo_nim]

This!!!!

[@greyrifterrellik5837]

Regarding the splatoon image incident. It really doesn't make things any less polarizing when you consider the fact that the image is just a detailed rendition of something that *officially exists in game* Specifically, the "Maws" boss salmonid from salmon run. The one that eats people. Yeah it's not just the splatfest theme, that post was damn near inevitable

[@bostpoxfox]

and you wonder why furries get a bad rep god i love this fandom

[@SnepBlepVR]

“Furries and Furries are natural enemies. Like Furries and Furries! Or Furries and Furriess! Or Furries and Furries! Or Furries and other Furriess! Damn Furries! They ruined Furries!”

[@FurryestX]

FurFandom its a Love&Hate Story Nothing new

[@OCovilDoMarcos]

That's just any large group of people, there's bound to be the outliers that do sus stuff, but we don't have a habit to do that generalization for groups of people like a city for example, we don't judge everyone inside a city because some people did horrible stuff were from there. It makes me think that there is a different bias governing this association.

[@cosmic_heartz6480]

Fun fact abt the splatoon post: apparently that was supposed to be a Maws ( enemy in the salmon run mode that can kill you by eating you if you don’t dodge them in time )

[@LA-be8fu]

That feels like a severe mistranslation. It doesn't look like anything like Maws, but people brought it up when trying to defend it, saying that if it was featured in the game, it was okay

[@cosmic_heartz6480]

@@LA-be8fu maybe idk someone said it was supposed to be maws

[@Homodemon]

Context doesn't make it any fucking better, that just makes ithat character the posterchild for vorefags to latch on inside the game....

[@furthings]

New viewer here, I LOVE the Invader Zim vibes of your character's eyes and the more angular linework!! Your bun is very cute

[@Alimewillexist]

I very much agree

[@ninjaone1]

With regards to the kfc event, spamming hashtags and replies with furry porn has been a loooong standing form of disruption and protest on Twitter for the community.

[@enderkatze6129]

Half the Drama could be avoided by literally Just being civilised human, human-like and non-human beings and Not yelling at eachother, Not screaming and crying whenever being presented with any Opposition and Just Hearing Others Out sometimes And For the Love of the gods, *you are Not one of them. You are Not infallible. You can be wrong. Apologize If you are*

[@SacuraShadowDemon]

It's gotten to the point where I only follow professional accounts that just post art/fursuits. Also only follow gaming companies. I can't follow individuals anymore unless I know they don't post drama. Just can't deal with the negativity anymore.

[@ophois9265]

Furries: get heavily influenced by big corp animations like "Lion King", "Zootopia", "Bad Guys", "Pokemon", "Brand New Animal" etc. Also furries: passionately hate corporations. _Delicious irony_

[@Vesperad0]

You can still hate anything corporate while liking some of the stuff they push out. Because believe it or not, beyond the people who only care about profits, there are people in corporate spaces who want to make entertaining and good media. Acknowledging their work, creativity, and so on doesn't make you a hypocrite, because oftentimes what people hate about anything corporate is the fact that they try to play themselves as humans, not companies. Whatever's relatable they dip their toes into, and pretend to be "one of the kids" for profit. When people say they hate capitalism or corporations, they're not talking about the people working at the bottom rungs or the ones who have no choice but to work for a shit company like disney/whatever else, they hate the ones on top. The ones who don't care about good stories or respecting people beyond doing what they can to suck the money out of a pocket.

[@ophois9265]

​@@Vesperad0 Corporations, in this day and age, are the entities that possess enough of the finances and will power to gather giants of art and animation like Aaron Blaise together and make the magic happen. Arts, especially fine arts, cannot exist without proper financing and support, and right now, one of the main patrons of art are big corpos, so they create a trend in animation, design and even modern fine arts. Without Disney, people like Blaise would probably create academic wild life drawing and painting, and your "beautiful" fandom would never have an opportunity to parasite on the Disney corporate art style. It's not like it's just an average Joe who creates this stuff for you. The average Joe is able to create these cartoons in a certain way, because the big corpos make the proper creative environment for those Joes and give a vector to art and animation in the first place. Of course, it's hypocritical for furries to bark at them, because without big corpos your fandom would remain fruitless, for it's big corpos who allow these art styles to emerge in the first place, whether you like it or not. Want to prove me wrong? Tell me, what art style did furries create since 80s that became a popular mainstream approach to draw cartoon animals? The way how furries draw is just an amateur attempt to imitate the art style from big corpos, not vice versa. Of course, when corpos grow too big to fall, they start to milk their own franchises for profit, while making stupid decision after stupid decision in the process. But unless any catastrophic social shift forces capitalist system to become a part of history like feudalism, slavery system and barter relationship, you will not have any source for your fluffy experience elsewhere, because who can pay top creators makes mainstream trends in art, animation and music.

[@LilfoxTheHybridHylian5967]

I'm tired of the drama in the fandom to the point of being afraid of maybe one day I'd be roped into it. And I absolutely DON'T WANNA BE ROPED INTO IT

[@tamajack8179]

Just avoid Twitter

[@Dragonsamuari]

@@tamajack8179 or avoid the internet.

[@mechamicro]

@@tamajack8179 yes

[@H3XED_OwO]

@@tamajack8179 twitter moment

[@H3XED_OwO]

Ignore, tell people to stop talking about it... and if that doesn't work then block them

[@ivyw5862]

When I heard “Splatoon VORE” I audibly yelled.

[@CandyCornAgainAgainAgain]

💀💀💀💀

[@rossjohnstone4689]

Lago, you are pretty much the voice of reason in the fun madness that is our fabdom and I love you for it :3

[@OGCHUCK1]

The furry fandom problem is lack of basic common sense

[@KaruTheKitsune]

What even is common sense, when it isn't common anymore...

[@gammafoxlore2981]

A long lost art....

[@hellishcyberdemon7112]

no... i think most of these people have common sense... its a bunch of socially awkward people who never leave the internet (except in the case of cons) who struggle in social situations... i swear its like furries need a social skills seminar to attend at a con

[@thefunnyanimalsshow]

It's almost like the fandom is composed of nothing but human beings.

[@Homodemon]

"Haha what do you mean I can't wear my fetish adult diapers in public where non consenting people can see me????"

[@jacleenill]

Your voice sounds Lowkey like Garfield did in the old cartoons and all I can hear when I listen to your videos is Garfield criticizing furries and it's gold tbh

[@saintbullart]

Great video. I feel stupid for participating in the Splatoon 3 vore one, pretty much stating the same you did on the matter of putting fetishy content in a kids game, and it lost me some mutuals who felt all I was doing was kinkshaming. It sucked, but I still stand that there should be a time and place for everything too. Just, put that same energy into posting art on your own account haha.

[@bocar4127]

It’s really funny you mention Splatoon because I’ve got my own mini stories: On the first couple of days alone I noticed a lot of bara(?) furry art EVERYWHERE- even depicting more questionable expressions and ambiguous messages. Normally I’d just brush it off/ignore it but what if I had my younger siblings or cousins around y’know? Secondly, just yesterday I saw voluptuous art of flareon and vaporeon on one of the walls of the hub and I was so taken aback I just had to tell a couple of my homies. It’s just so out of place for probably one of the most kid-friendly games around currently and seems really questionable to me

[@datbx]

9:30 its always so so wild seeing wherever my tweets end up and seeing how people take em apart im glad this was like the most normal person take ive seen from it

[@bee1411]

Thank you for being so kink positive in this! It’s refreshing to see! :D Thinking about getting more involved in the fandom cause there’s a whole group of furries who hang out at my local kink community munch! :D They are for the most part absolute angels, I love them!!!

[@swirrllfolfsky9803]

Buckshot at point blank range would remove a literal chunk of the torso. That's not a survivable incident. not without months of recovery.

[@yeahman20]

Splatoon was the last thing I expected to be in a furry video. But, given the large amount of furries I see in Splatoon posts, I'm not all too surprised

[@buttondowndingo]

9:00 wouldn't even be a problem if it didn’t say "And you too". That the trigger that makes it NSFW, it wouldve been fine if it was just "Grub goes here".

[@madisonevans7950]

Im not a furry, but I hella respect yall and love the drama that happens in the community. Some of yall are wild. Stay safe out there my guys!

[@CoyoteLovelyYT]

I knew I was going to enjoy this video the moment I heard the Bomberman Hero music in the disclaimer.

[@gaiusjuliuscaesar8450]

"In short, don't fuck dogs" 1984

[@Asalieri2]

As someone who has been directly the center of a minor furry drama, I can attest for the insanity of the furry fandom and its propensity for drama.

[@zephytheleopardkitty]

As soon as I got to the Brand section, it was enough to have me drinking Monster Energy Drinks as though I was a raging alcoholic. It's just so degenerative to open up the spank folder over a joke tweet. Anyways, great video to listen to as always!

[@spahghettiboi4150]

3:44 Yeah i still remember eating pizza that day when it was announced. That was cursed.

[@JewelWildmoon]

Oh god 😂

[@insertnamehere6559]

I'm gonna be honest, that drawing in the splatoon screenshot just looks like a hungry cartoon dragon. I wouldn't have even thought it was something fetish related unless someone told me. And that's as someone that used to use deviantart basically daily. I think it's overblown, I wouldn't even say there's anything suggestive there. And for the record, I'm not even a furry. I kind of just watch this channel to know what on earth is going on over there.

[@Homodemon]

You lack darkness in you heart. That would be like looking at a Tarantino movie and denying the undertones on all the unnecessary scenes of barefoot women on them.

[@carnelianfox5010]

“Keep furry weird” was probably started by a Portland fur. I don’t need anti-brand antics to be catastrophically strange.

[@yogurtcat.9607]

Drama is the reason I keep my distance from the fandom. I've deleted my FA account, uninstalled discord and pretty much quit nsfw. My mental health is getting better now

[@langshu6446]

A large community makes for a wide range of drama, controversy, and hypocrisy. Therefore, if art imitates life, then the furry fandom is mankind's masterpiece. A bittersweet achievement for us wholesome and SFW furs.

[@radetzkypilledman]

Buddy is really comparing the furry fandom to Penicillin, nuclear reactors, cloning, space travel, the internet, and the UN.

[@TuberoseKisser]

Here's the thing: Your kink is not my kink, if you have a furry convention that overall is meant to be a community event, you shouldn't have any kink or fetish there because the public can not consent. This includes baby fur and vore. Also, the furry fandom, from an outsiders perspective, seems equally accepting and hateful. It seems like things that shouldn't be allowed is swept under the rug and kept on the down low but then some of the most basic things is brought into question and debated for weeks

[@Vesperad0]

I feel like that should be obvious. And not conflated with kink shaming, because an actual kink shamer wouldn't even acknowledge the possibility of people having different kinks including themselves...and that there is a major difference between kinks and fetishes-a kink you can enjoy sex without, but a fetish is required. Therefore, excluding kinks for a community event shouldn't be a problem. You can't have younger (minor) furries or people in general alongside people showing kinks or whatever it is. Even if kinks have a long history of being shamed and discriminated against, the right to harmless sexual freedom doesn't mean putting it in the same space as minors. That's not a "virtue signal", "prudish", or even "stupid" thing to say. I'm literally a child in terms of human biology, younger than 25, and I will continue to say this in and outside of furry spaces because god why is this a debate. There's always a time and place for things. Spaces reserved for children and their parents, teen hangouts, retreats for the elderly, adult clubs and whatnot, everyone has a space for them. If you want to make a community event, you have to consider all of the parties and ensure that whatever is 18+ or 21+ is kept far away from kids. That's not teaching kids to be discriminatory or anything, that's just knowing AGAIN there's a time and place. Kids will learn about sex and stuff, beyond the biological/reproduction parts in school or by parents, hopefully not by anyone else. If there must be a kink thing somewhere, have it, but as always where there isn't going to be any minors or really anyone who doesn't want to see it. At least then there's a defense against a minor who wandered in leaving their parents actually responsible. Parents fuck up a lot, but we can't blame them for everything when the rest of you are a bunch of adults who have control over their own actions. (Not you in particular ofc, just a general and ambiguous "you" to whoever it applies to)

[@Cryobolt]

"The wheel of drama" is such a tangible concept I actually made one with 24 pie slices, including all the ones you mentioned. Spins like the wheel of fortune. Also 6:15 Glad I nabbed that screenshot of Wolfbird's tweet

[@Myskitti]

About pup hoods, im SO sad because i LOVE the aesthetic of them but hate that i cant partake in viewing/making content without the NSFW side being involved. I really do wish there was a community of SFW pup hood aesthetic content because i think thatd be So Neat. Maybe i could start it?????

[@MustardCrow]

Me too I love them! There so cool and customizable. I have 3 characters with pup hoods and they look so cool in them.

[@Dinker27]

You're better off making a group for it and filtering kids out if they try to come within an inch of your community. And please don't go into +13/sfw groups to post that stuff, doubly so when they say they're not for that. I like my kink stuff, but if you're going to try and engage with kids in pup gear....yikes.

[@Myskitti]

Its more so that i wish it WASNT originally made explicitly for NSFW purposes, just so that there COULD be the split between SFW and NSFW communities like how there is in the furry fandom as a whole

[@ShaggySatyr]

Yeah. It's so good that the furry fandom encourages creativity so you don't see the exact same fursona every five seconds. I'm so glad it isn't just the same wolf and or fox with a blue stripe or a blue coat with massive tits.

[@SeleenShadowpaw]

No knots or pronounced canines though, that is sus and illegal! That fox better have a human face and platingrade feet next time i come looking!!!11!!

[@NotRemmyCormo]

Or a green delinquent hyena or a depressed opossum.

[@Vesperad0]

​@@SeleenShadowpawthe canines are cool as a non furry, but the knots are undeniably...odd. aren't knots the weird bump part of a penis on a dog? Big sharp teef have always been a part of designing characters, mostly human or mostly monster, but I can't see how a part of a whole ass weiner would be necessary or make people think that isn't sus.

[@aralanstradivari2841]

18:49 I know this drama quite well as I was one of the friends at the heart of it. And just how downright infuriating it was, especially considering that I’m a gun nut and I’ve seen what buckshot can do to a dummy… And this man fakes suicide with a tissue and a belt… Dear god I wanted to punch him. Good news though, the one who actually attempted it, is okay, and I talk to him and his best friend daily. He is getting the help he needs. But yes, if you need help, get help. It will help more than you know, and life’s too short to let it slip away. You are seen, and you are loved.

[@Sianostrakarenrenren]

The fact people have to be told not to wear bondage gear in public is why people don't like furries.

[@dutyfree5192]

Ah yes, my countries KFC twitter account taking a big L, as always. Never change, Spain. Also, I usually don't comment on vids, but you're one of the few furry content creators I follow (I'm an ex-furry myself) and I love your videos fam, you're good at explaining this... side of the fandom

[@BlackReshiram]

"a little quirky" he says, menacingly

[@JewelWildmoon]

I was fighting the urge to say that one quote lol "The animatronics here do get a bit quirky at night"

[@BlackReshiram]

@@JewelWildmoon oh please god no thatll make the freaks who wanna fuck freddy fazbear pour right in here

[@3u-n3ma_r1-c0]

amazing comment

[@moosecannibal8224]

Wait, didn't the furry fandom *not* start off as a sexual thing?, I was so sure it ended up being associated with that after news got out about weirdos during the early conventions back in like the 1960's-80's. My parents are furries and I'm 26 now so I might have a bit of a misinterpretation of how things started out since I myself am not one, just accepting of them.

[@moosecannibal8224]

@@r1g0r_m0rt1s See, that's what I thought, I think I might have just been confused because of how something was worded in the video. Thanks for informing me!

[@therealSunTzu]

Ok so basically furries did not start off as a sexual thing. They were just people who got together around their... Slightly concerning love of anthro charecters. But come the 1980s, the fandom itself did start very sexual. At the very first conventions there was weird sexual shit a plenty. for example at the first con to ever have people in what would become fursuits, one was made genuinely of BDSM gear. People were having sex, there were "pet auctions" (basically furry stripper garage sales), and one time some dude basically put an elevator out of commission by ejaculating all over the buttons. It got tamer and tamer with the passing years with new cons popping up and old ones banning bad actors from attending. But at the start furry conventions were a complete sex-travaganza, and everyone knew it.

[@hot_soup4319]

I am not a furry, nor will I ever be, but I gotta admit observing the fandom is damn interesting. I was a Brony for a hot minute myself in middle and high school, not a hardcore one I just watched the show and bought some inconspicuous merch like a keychain and Funko Pops. That being said I did somewhat keep up with the goings on in the fandom. Like most fandoms it was all fun and games, then the next thing you know you're down the YT rabbithole learning about the absolute degenerates you share a common interest with. Its for that reason I don't hate furries, cause I've essentially been there. A fandom where most are 100% fine completely sane humans who like a thing, but then the degenerates come in and always seem to be the loudest.

[@lolitamolita5354]

I'm surprised that a cheese grater was not mentioned once and I commend you for that.

[@kanearkbane]

I use pup hoods for… like comfort, the compression makes me feel safe.

[@leinadlink]

I am glad I have found myself in a part of the community where I don't see any of this, and all the drama we hear about is just treated as if it's sitting behind a thick glass wall at the zoo. You can have a community without drama, you just need good moderation and nip the problematic people in the bud. The furry community prides itself in being very accepting of people, but you can't use that as an excuse to protect bad actors or very immature people. It's best to act fast before these people can set roots, or else it will only lead to drama. Basically to be respected first you have to respect others. Of course, you can't do that with a community at large, but you can do it with your circles. In my own circle we've been booting that kind of people and honestly it's turning to be a very lovely place, where all the lovely people can gather.

[@Zephyeran]

My only 'issues' with babyfurs (and in turn other niche subcommunities) is 1. Understand that some are uncomfortable. They may shy away. That's not for you to force on them. But if they're attacking you directly, that's a different story, and you've every right to be upset. Admitting discomfort at a meet-up of babyfurs existing at a con you wanted to go to is fine, you're just saying you didn't feel comfortable seeing that in person and weren't sure how easily you could avoid that subculture by going and in turn are glad to not have gone. (Though they could've been kinder with their words, but it's still a fair enough opinion.) But attacking a specific member is crossing the line. 2. Clean up after yourself. Even in your own space, but especially when out at conventions and such. You don't live there, you know others don't like the kink, don't be rude and force someone else to deal with your diapers. Even if it's your kink, to know someone else is cleaning up after you, kinks require consent. I'd say the same with all things that could even be considered kinks, even if you only find comfort in them, clean up after yourself, respect that others may have trauma or discomfort of any kind relating to it, and 3. Make sure it's always between consenting adults. You can make all the arguments for kids and animals being able to consent, but.. just don't. Please. It's not as simple as 'feels good, they're allowing it.' It's such a complicated subject that both young and animals just don't perceive in the same way and in turn cannot consent, so just. Keep it between adults. You can pretend to be a baby if you and your partner like that. That's between you two. Or whomever is involved like that. Pretend to be a feral dog too for all I care. Just be adults and consenting, *please.* Harkness test, y'all.

[@obliviousmooncake1008]

I’m not a furry but for some reason I love watching you’re videos and seeing the constant shit show that is the furry fandom

[@sharcblazer99]

I tend to hover away from the furry fandom, I'm in it, but I tend to sit back and watch, silently on the background. Too much drama, gets too weird, I'm a very normal'ish person and like to keep things under wraps.

[@theroaringroxyretiredproje9510]

I'm not a furry but keep watching these drama videod

[@coolcosmic4351]

About the Zoophile/feral discourse. Zoophilia is a real serious topic and i'm not defending anyone who has gotten exposed as a actual zoophile. If you got photographic or recorded evidence of somebody caught in the act of doing something illegal, then you should honestly report it to the police instead of keeping it to yourself. However, What I hate about this is when it comes to the topic. How can you say someone is a zoophile because of the artwork that they do. Drawn pictures aren't enough to get someone convicted as a damn animal rapist, yet a lot of people seem to think it is when it ain't.

[@binkybonky3347]

But why would anyone WANT to draw dogs having sex with eachother?

[@coolcosmic4351]

@@binkybonky3347 Because people can do whatever they want as long as it doesn't break a law. What does this have to do with my question?

[@binkybonky3347]

@@coolcosmic4351 Woah woah so by your logic, its ok for people to draw CP, as long as they aren’t actively engaging in it?

[@coolcosmic4351]

@@binkybonky3347 Yes. So long as they don't actually engage in real CP. Like I said, people can draw whatever they want as long as they don't do the real thing. If they don't have enough common dang sense to keep it in their dang pants and decide to do the real thing, then they deserve to have the cops called on them and that's the end of it.

[@binkybonky3347]

@@coolcosmic4351 You're... not very smart are you...? Its against the law to draw CP. So no actually, its not okay. And by drawing/enjoying that art, you ARE engaging in CP. It is STILL pedophilia to enjoy drawn CP. I dont get why you creeps think that as soon as a child character is drawn its immediatly okay to sexualize them. You need to really rethink your morals if thats how easily you are willing to bend the law for sick fantasies. The exact same thing goes for zoophiles aswell.

[@TeethSkylark]

25:40 woman is a subclass, heterosexual is a passive perk in the skill tree.

[@IsoscelesIso]

I know the endless drama is bad and whatever, but heck it does make for a bunch of really interesting videos and things to look into

[@kettleling6662]

HYLICS 2 music!! Goddamn hard approve. I'm not a furry, but your vids are chill and your taste is evidently refined, so get a new sub

[@DRGNLRD]

Me all of the sudden focusing more on the video now that the background isn’t hypnotizing me

[@Spotteh]

i like how this video brings up enough furry drama that you can see arguments about a lot of them in the comments, thus perpetuating the cycle of furry drama

[@NoahGooder]

as a furry the drama is pretty thick but you can find a suprising amount of good in the fandom somtimes

[@bananajoe5511]

Might be a hot take but I think consuming art of animals, sexual or not, is not bad, but actively seeking out or being attracted to real animals is the problem. A lot of the time, people are into realistic animals when they’re in human situations, like Zootopia or Lion King, or they genuinely want to be in that universe. But regardless, wanting to get down with animals in the real world is gross

[@m1thral571]

Not gonna lie. I came across the CBreaker9 and the other person at the same time, I honestly couldn't tell who I was reading about, the aforementioned suspicious person or the actual suicide person. It was bad, really, really bad. It got so confusing I just gave my condolences/thanks for surviving and gave up. It still annoys me that I couldn't figure it out and that someone would do this...

[@maximeleninja4029]

You know, in every fandoms there are of course bad people. And I don't think we need to see the number of dramas, but instead using an equation where we put the number of people at the bottom, and the number of dramas at the top. So I might think that there is a lot of dramas in the furry fandom because of its size, anyone can be here, if it's your average baker or a fvcking clown anyone hate, everyone can go claim they are part of the fandom.

[@cuddlesthetiger5739]

Furry drama is literally getting thrown to the wolves, or in the lion's den

[@azell4580]

Sometimes I question myself why I associate myself with this fandom. Then I realize that the reason I stay is because I refuse to let these people win. If we want to make a change, then we need to stand up for ourselves and be willing to talk about these problems. Videos like these are what keep me in the fandom, evidence that there are people in here that WANT change. It may take a while, maybe even years, but I am confident that we will be able to stop this cycle. Also, I feel like because the fandom is so big, people often think “we can’t do anything”, but I don’t agree. No matter how large a community is, there is always a way to make a change. By speaking out against these problems, we teach others, not only the problems, but to also join us, increasing at an exponential rate. Let us work together and speak our opinions. Show emotion in your messages. Create guidelines, boundaries, teach others what is right and wrong. Do literally anything. Nothing is “too small” to make a change. Eventually your voice will be found.

[@enderkatze6129]

About the Splatoon 3 vore drawing, quite frankly i don't think it's that Bad, because it's something you have to be "in the Know" to get.

[@emodoqz]

For pup hoods, as someone who wears it non sexually almost all the time, I believe as long as you aren’t wearing any NSFW gear with it (tail plugs, non-accessory collars and leashes, harnesses below the waist, etc) it is perfectly fine to wear in public events. I’ve worn my hood to pride, and other events. Taken pictures in public, & have gotten compliments on it on a couple occasions. It’s a part of my identity and more of a comfort than anything else. It does have an NSFW side (not doubting it, I’ve seen it), but most people are sensible and don’t wear purely kink gear in public. It’s a hug to the face :)

[@ParsureArts]

[slaps desk] nice.

[@emodoqz]

@valixthedergon1028 What about harnesses, collars, or fursuit muzzles?

[@Vesperad0]

Yeah see, that's totally fair. I can only imagine how annoying or straight up harmful it can be to have a pup hood and have it be equated to bdsm. People already do it with chokers, no matter how thin and non-metal/rubber they are. Honestly, there's a problem both with people making things hypersexual and people denying the sexual part of something, and I don't understand how it's so hard to recognize what is, isn't, and has a nonsexual side to, anything.

[@TheSecretSwords]

9:00 my opinion on the matter using Lago's example is there is a clear diffrence between having sexual related content posted in a children's game and sexual content posted in a adult only website.

[@NotRemmyCormo]

"Strangely muscular horse-man" Oh sure. It's the muscles that are the most prominent design aspect of horse furry characters. Or is this just joke about the fursona being a femboy?

[@JewelWildmoon]

My whole stance on that zoo/feral art thing is just that I MIGHT raise an eyebrow at some of them based on certain comments that sound kinda close to applying to irl. But other than that, I don't think they're a zoo so long as they don't want to do that irl nor are attracted to animals irl outside of art/animations. Also regarding the straight women existing in the fandom, yepp. I didn't think I'd bump into someone against it myself but I've already come across one that went on a rant in a server about how much straight yiff there was (it was only 1 channel tho) and saying that it shouldn't exist. Didn't really have the energy to even try interacting while they were there but I dunno why they didn't just mute the channel or something... 😅

[@TrulyBS-QJ]

Who tf goes on Twitter and complains about being harassed on Twitter? That's like going on to somone property and complaining about their toxic electric fence and handgun

[@jazzratoon]

The circle is like the evils of the fandom.

[@WizarbWillTurnYouIntoFoot]

i had to make a nsfw channel in my friends server (it is a server for our friend group) because someone wouldn’t stop posting nsfw stuff… i made it so you can only see it with a role that doesn’t change that i could see it so i put the channel at the very bottom with notifications off… mainly because my mum checks my discord all the time

[@JewelWildmoon]

This is coming from someone who's also heavily in the NSFW side of the fandom btw. Honestly if it's your friend group and it's one or two people posting nsfw while everyone else is uncomfortable with it, it's probably better to just tell them that you *will* remove them if they keep doing it instead of making the NSFW channel, since they may not always keep it (or nsfw behavior in general) to that channel alone. It kinda encourages it sometimes. Though if they are keeping it to that channel only, I guess that's good then 😅

[@WizarbWillTurnYouIntoFoot]

@@JewelWildmoon nah i don’t really care about nsfw stuff its just my mum checks my discord all the time and some other people probably have the same problem too most of the friend group doesn’t care anyway its just generally unpleasant to see in general plus i would get it trouble for banning them like i would probably not have mod anymore

[@JewelWildmoon]

@@WizarbWillTurnYouIntoFoot ohhh aight

[@bananonymoussupreme3345]

Would love to see a Don't Hug Cacti video

[@MelloProto]

I miss the simpler days. I just want a group of late 20-somethings and early 30-somethings to chill with. Let's just get drunk and be dumb like the good old days. And people should just accept anything outside of the furry "norm" (like straight women, brands, children as long as it's SFW, etc.). You don't have to hang out with them or anyone else if you don't want to.

[@BalooDumptruck]

fuck stiraght people though

[@MelloProto]

@Marco Kitty Depends on what year you were 13

[@MelloProto]

@Marco Kitty A couple kids were around back then, but I think the bulk of them joined when TikTok became a bigger thing in 2018. Now they're everywhere, just looking to fit in, which is fine, but I don't exactly entertain them in that way. I'm willing to be friends with everyone but now I question that due to the shear number of times I've gotten "uwu"s from minors and people asking me how they look in skimpy clothing. I don't wanna see that on a minor.

[@palehunter6711]

I do want to say if the guy near the end was called a zoophile for it knowing how to do the art acurate does that mean the people who accused him of it are zoophiles as by their rules they're zoophiles for knowing.

[@palehunter6711]

@@r1g0r_m0rt1s dude it's just a joke

[@NeiasaurusCreations]

I am not a furry. I don't like furries. But I do like furry drama. Especially if its light hearted and doesn't involve....Kero'ing animals.

[@goldtoothslair3052]

Actually here's a story that happened a week ago actually. So around the area that I live a bunch of kids that have gotten into the furry community have started to wear their fursuits at school or some form for related product like ears, Tails, paws into their schools. Not only that they argue that that is a piece of their identity and because of today's culture now if you tell somebody that they're not allowed to wear something or be something you are instantly the bad guy. And that's not even the worst part the worst part is is these kids are actually growling, barking, and hissing at teachers in other students that give them any sort of problem or discomfort which then leads to more bullying by the teachers and the students which leads to more hissing, barking, and growling. This is why I say kids in general just should not be in the furry community whatsoever and once you hit 18 have a job and can pretty much be classified as a adult then you can be in the community if you really want to because now there is a school that's being made fun of because it has furry kids hissing in parking at teachers and other kids making them extremely uncomfortable which will probably lead to some major backlash sometime along here or probably has already started but because I don't really use social media has probably already started.

[@TeethSkylark]

All Spanish KFC does is post bangers and make me not want to eat KFC

[@Poppa]

Bandage on the snout gang. Good looks, bro

[@thepoopreign]

omggg the faint xeno arcadia track from hylics at 20:06

[@DimiRoeder]

i hear ultrakill and hylics, good choices

[@WerewolfLord]

The best furry drama is Benji vs. Misha. (Note: I said best,. It's all downhill, or rather down off a cliff, from there.)Srsly though, A question about pup hoods. I thought they would be a good base for making a fursuit head around. Given their, um, history, should I stop with that idea?

[@Dinker27]

On a practical level, it's really not a good idea to use it as a fursuit head base because it's leather. Leather under fur is just not a good idea. You have to clean and maintain it. Because of the association with the +18, it's probably a good idea if you're planning on going to public places and interacting with kids. If you want to engage in kink/be in headspace while doing that...well..you should probably consult pups on that. It's not just the "right wing conservatives" that will have a problem with you when you do that.

[@Garf-the-true-and-evil]

I’m not really sure why you’d want to use a leatherwork thing as a fursuit head base (other than it’s already dog shaped) A foam or resin base would probably work about the same Like a pup hood is a too fancy thing to just coat in fur in my opinion. They’re already made to be worn on their own and are polished n stuff.

[@Dinker27]

Something else to consider might be the issue of consent. If you're going to wear it where children are present, or people who don't want to engage with pups or BDSM for that matter, you aren't giving them much wiggle room to say no because they probably wouldn't know that you're using a pup hood as a base for a fursuit. Since they wouldn't be informed, you may be crossing a boundary. There are going to be people who feel fine in +18 spaces engaging with you, but if they were in a place where the dynamics are more geared towards general audiences or family-friendly, they might not like you in that instance. From what I've seen, pups and kinksters/fetish people have a hard enough battle as it is since they get branded as pedophiles (or other things) sometimes. Especially with pictures of pups interacting with kids...like The Kennel Klub. But if you're keeping it in spaces where pup/critter stuff is allowed, then it's just the matter of practicality. I can guarantee you at least, fursuits are already sweat machines. 🤣

[@thatgamingspud]

Under furry con drama: Tumbles the Stair Dragon.