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[@Lalafluffbunny]

I stay mad lmao 😆 damnnn

[@colonelkenpachi5009]

Stay mad, queen.

[@Fabricio1515]

I dunno bout you but I finished this episode with a big smile.. cuz the season is over

[@AJaxnn]

Nah you do you. I honestly I love their master and student relationship of how Rudy looks up to her but Roxy doesn't feel worthy of the praise. Anything beyond that just doesn't feel... Genuinely romantic?

[@NoDontb3lieve2o]

😁🙃😆 👍 to each their own lol😂

[@WOWLUCASS]

LMAOO LISTENNNNNN. I was just so happy that Norn was there she took the words straight out my mouth bro! I woulda been infinitely more annoyed if nobody spoke up FR. I'm still not accepting of the situation BUT EY WHAT CAN I DO THIS ANIME STAYS BEING MUSHOKU TENSEI FFS :))))

[@1mikeap4]

Roxy fully intended to be cast aside after sleeping with Rudeus. She planned to take full responsibility for his affair, painting herself as a villain so that Rudeus could go back to his wife guilt free. She couldn’t even enjoy her first time with the guy of her dreams because she felt it wasn’t real; that she was just a temporary replacement for his real love. She gave him her first time while fully expecting to be hated for it. This is what Rudy means by sacrificing her own feelings. You are right though about Rudeus’ feelings for Roxy leaning more towards respect than romantic. I don’t think he loved her the same way he did Sylphy, something he himself says afterwards. But he does fall in love with her after the fact. It’s the same way she had great affection for him as her student but only started feeling romantically about him after reuniting. Both their feelings for each other changed during the trip. And yeah the idea that it had to be sex is questionable logic. But it was the sort of solution they would come up with. These are the same sort of people that rationalize trauma as a curse. They treated Rudy’s depression like some status ailment that’s antidote was sex.

[@death_parade]

They skipped that entire discussion Roxy, Elinalise and Geese had back when Rudeus was depressed. That would have cleared a lot of misunderstandings Anime-onlys have with regards to Roxy's actions and how painful they were for her. Its not like she is horni and only wanted to get penetrated back then.

[@douglascostateixeira8265]

Sylphy before Rudy leave: I'm going to be a mom! Sylphy after Rudy came back: Call me mommy.

[@user-by6zc7dm4z]

- Call me Holy goodness - Mylphie

[@GeraldWalls]

Rudy: "Master..." Roxy: "Yes daddy?"

[@envydemxzer5065]

She said that shi in front of Aisha who is her half sister 😭 I get that she’s mad but girl yo dad had two wife too💀

[@oyaoya4156]

I mean she is a kid

[@ElyonDominus]

​@@oyaoya4156A fundie kid.

[@envydemxzer5065]

@@oyaoya4156 brother she’s literally lecturing rudeus about having two wife💀 I’m sure she can understand the hypocrisy of her words💀

[@hinata365247]

Right! Thats kind of crazy she grew up knowing that and respects her dad so much. But when rudy does the same she is mad at him. And wasn't paul a follower of millis?

[@envydemxzer5065]

@@hinata365247 nah I’m pretty sure he wasn’t that’s why he had two wife

[@manofcultura]

Valid. And this is why MT is a great story, it doesn’t apologize for presenting some hard things, and it doesn’t just rely on shock factor of cheating. Nor does it go in the direction of “teehee! we like the same guy and we’re one dimensional harem girls, teehee!”

[@jacenouzen]

right????

[@josiahdennis9001]

It kinda goes there

[@kolijuh]

"great story" lmao

[@bellor123]

The greatest trick Mushoku pulled was convince its fans that him getting to marry every girl he shows any interest in is actually brave storytelling and not just generic harem wish-fulfillment bullshit.

[@nugget6820]

@@bellor123 He didn't get with Sara, in every other harem she'd be the girl that he lost, but came back later or whatever

[@Red_Valentine]

This was foreshadowed *very* early in the novels actually lol Slyphie overheard Rudeus and Pual talking about having multiple lovers Then when talking to his cousin she realized "Greyrats aren't satisfied with a single woman" She was *WELL* prepared for this lol

[@zander1896]

It's always in the novels. Part of the reason why I wish they handled last week's turbulence better.

[@Tounushi]

In vol 8 (so S2E6) she was already thinking that as Rudeus' wife, she'd be the mediator between all his other wives.

[@ElyonDominus]

​@@TounushiShe outright tells Rudeus he can take a concubine and she makes a comment about him taking multiple wives.

[@Tounushi]

@@ElyonDominus More than that, she expected him to take at least three. And that if Zenith wasn't a Millis adherent, Paul would've had five.

[@RedRocket4000]

Yep and she worships gods who support Polygamy and grew up in a Polygamous culture having a man with no other wives might never had been her dream life after all if it a great man they have multi wife. And she had seen the plus side of Polygamous relationships along with the negative so she was not trained to dislike the idea she knows it works great some of the time. Finally people are different People seam to run from not wanting to ever have a long term relationship and do it to those who want a multi Poly situation to those who want Monogamy. Different Strokes for different folks. But just like Rudy's father but not quite as bad this multi marriage started out with major mistakes that Rudy and Roxy have torn apart each other over.

[@kurimiaisukurimu]

You see red hair and a maid outfit and immediately start seeing red lmao

[@karu2460]

She didn't indirectly “Groomed” him. There was no grooming involve. Roxy said love at first sight when she was saved by Rudeus at the Labyrinth 14:36

[@ZukuUzu]

I dont think you understood her point. And the usage of the word "indirectly'. "Indirectly" means she did not purposefully do anything, but rudeus fell for her from the start. He ADORED her. Literally worshipped her panties and made a 1:10 replica statue of her. So obviously, if your crush for YEARS shows interest in you you'll want it

[@lordlubu3029]

@@ZukuUzu Grooming involves direct intent though, if you are going to be that loose with the term than literally EVERYONE is a groomer. It' just a dumb way of thinking about this relationship that removes all nuance and agency from both of them and reduces it to "hurr everything Rudy does and feels is just because he was made to feel that way by Roxy" You are conflating grooming with just having a crush on someone.

[@macfraud9862]

@@ZukuUzuthere’s no such thing as indirect grooming tf 😂. The action looses all meaning at that point, especially when there’s no intent involved.

[@fritz250757]

fr her reaction was so over the top I hate how the first reaction has to be that everytime..like it's annoying people are prepared to trash a character right away without a second thought

[@karu2460]

She just Hate Roxy at this point. She's at the point where “emotion outstands logic". She's completely bias. I know Roxy did was wrong, but we're talking about Rudeus here 😂. Even Slyphie knows her man.

[@collister4844]

The bias against Roxy is bleeding into a very misconstrued understanding of the rest of the show. The writing was perfectly fine this whole episode, and consistent with the rest of the series. 18:40 Marrying Roxy WAS Rudy's decision. Elinalise simply gave her advice to Rudy about the situation with Roxy, but Rudy made the final DECISION to propose to Roxy. Following someone else's advice does not mean that person made the decision for you. Rudy made the final decision to follow Elinalise's advice. 14:12 Roxy never "groomed" Rudy. Roxy simply helped a child get over their fear of going outside, and it was Rudy who decided to go from just perving on her to worshipping Roxy. If just being cute and in close proximity to each other counts as "indirect grooming" then I guess co-workers are constantly "grooming" each other every time they clock in for work, which isn't true. Spending quality time with someone is how love and bonds naturally form, its not something vague as "indirectly grooming". 21:16 Rudy doesn't want Roxy to be miserable because he's always strived to make the others around him happy. Rudy ORIGINALLY didn't want to take another wife because he didn't want to make Sylphie miserable in their relationship, even though Sylphie said she was okay with it. Rudy was also ready to obliterate Norn's classmates because he thought they were making Norn feel miserable. Being a former depressed shut in, one of Rudy's top priorities is the happiness of those around him. He doesn't want ANYONE to feel the same misery he felt in his old life, that is why he has stood against bullying the entire time at the University.

[@lordlubu3029]

100% agreed, she's starting to twist logic and words to fit a narrative she is building rather than just approaching the series unbias. You don't have to like Roxy, plenty of people don't, but at least understand what is happening and what her character actually is instead of forcing your headcannon into the show.

[@randomuniquehandle]

nah your first point is straight up copium. Rudy was coerced into proposing.

[@shinyhappyrem8728]

@@randomuniquehandle Not in the anime.

[@randomuniquehandle]

@@shinyhappyrem8728 then it's worse for him LOL

[@RedRocket4000]

Grooming is the deliberate act of separating a child from all other adult influences and tearing down the child's self esteem and making the child emotionally dependent on you. As typical Internet broadened the definition massively too much. You can't accidentally groom a child. Raising or mentoring a child is not Grooming even it the child develops love feelings without deliberate plan to do so which will include the other parts of Grooming.

[@NateSATheLegend]

We talked to a psychologist, ed, about if Rosie had groomed rudy, and he unequivocally said, no. The relationship between Rosie and rudy was not grooming. Rudy was anxiously attached to Rosie as a child. Her panties became his safety blanket because of what she did for him. While she taught him as a child she did absolutely nothing to groom or foster a future romantic feeling in rudy. It was completely one sided when he was a child. She didn't develope any romantic interest in the person called rudy until he saved her in the labyrinth. Just because he has attached to her as a child because she correctly helped him get over some of his past trauma, doesn't mean she did anything to force him into a sexual relationship based off those past interactions. Rudy's actions are his own, how hes attached and who that attachment is to, is on him. If it wasn't Rosie, it would have just been sylphie... which it was, and it would have been eris later, which it was. In other words, other people's emotional issues and how they attached themselves to us isn't on us. Now, going back to roxie and coming onto rudy, yeah, still not a great situation. But that being said, I have absolutely no issue with polygamy between consenting adults. Sylphie is ok with it, roxie is ok with it, it's not on us to judge. Plain and simple. We can not insert our personnal beliefs into other characters.

[@Kaylakaze]

Who's Rosie?

[@SilverCrow0101]

@@Kaylakaze Roxy, it's a misspelling, keep up.

[@sobervision1049]

I mean most of that was still her opinion tho. She felt a certain way about it just like you. You may not agree but its to each their own.

[@alexusman]

Ah, that dude who toss his theories at chat and wait for reaction. I remember him.

[@Muxeroth]

Also there was no one to groom in the first place, even as a kid Rudy was the the mind of an adult in the body of a kid

[@AJaxnn]

24:55 and just like that, Aisha's number 1 hater was born💀 Mylphie looks great though with the long hair. I look forward to S3 🎉

[@Lalafluffbunny]

brooo nooo she's coolll 😭😭

[@r3.4ct]

🖐️😏

[@jrking2308]

Me looking at y'all back and forth cause...... 👀

[@cylan1840]

😂 i swear i look forward to y'all comin after each other every comment section

[@_pabu_]

Mylphie is absolutely nuts

[@Foranoda]

16:00 grooming requires intent from the "groomer". Roxy, at NO POINT made any effort to "groom" rudy. she taught him magic, helped him out of his shell, and THAT'S IT. she was there for two years, and did not do a single thing that could be interpreted as grooming. Yes, rudy put her on a pedestal, but that was his own decision, nothing roxy did could reasonably put roxy in the wrong there. roxy fell in love with him when he is a fully-grown adult when he rescued her (sound familiar? because each of them saved the other one here).

[@hannijrch.5178]

Now time to give Roxy a baby. First child with Roxy: "Throughout Heaven and Earth, I Alone Am The Honored One".

[@manofcultura]

Hitogami didn’t like that

[@gabrielcabral6142]

Throwing out this comment without context is so funny, nice one dude lol

[@woah5]

Hitogami is PISSED rn

[@SakazakiRyo]

Bro.....

[@VictorLiso]

Orsted loved that.

[@kurimiaisukurimu]

Girl no offense but you don't know what "grooming" means lmao. Roxy has had little to no contact with Rudeus since he was 5 and never tried to manipulate him into becoming her lover when he grew up. When they meet in the labyrinth, she fell in love with the man without even knowing it's Rudeus. Fast forward after Paul's death, and she does the deed with him merely to just get him to start taking care of himself again and she asks for nothing in return. She doesn't even think he's into her until he proposes after Elinalise tells him to. That's just straight up not "grooming" in any definition of the word. I get hating Roxy for doing what she did, but don't misuse serious terms like that.

[@moonrabbit1715]

remember, Freirin meet Himmel when he is still a kid, and the same people think that's romantic. lol

[@SilverCrow0101]

yeah, her interpretation of the word is too loose. Roxy barely had any contact with Rudeus for 10+ years, it's really hard to groom someone you're not in contact with for that long.

[@Animewatcher352]

I hate that became a damn buzzword and now people actually forgot Aisha is the only one groomed.

[@az639]

I can already see peoples reactions when you-know-who comes back and gets together with Norn.

[@ElyonDominus]

​@@moonrabbit1715 Rudeus is a man. Frieren is a woman. It's that simple.

[@gingerswag7776]

I’ll just say that in this world the promise that he made to stay loyal to sylphy was a weird one to make. Like literally no one in this world including sylphy expected him to keep it, nor did anyone care if he did besides Millis followers. In fact someone of his status is expected to have multiple wives, it would be frowned upon if he didn’t.

[@lordlubu3029]

I think the point of that is to show how little Rudy even knows about himself, Sylphy knew more about him then he did lol

[@gingerswag7776]

@@lordlubu3029yeah he’s just not that type of guy, which is just lucky for him since he lives in this world

[@Lloyd00]

Think about how hard it would be to live in that world with the experience of living in ours for much longer. You can't just break yourself of years of experience.

[@AlexValadez]

I think its because of his memories of this world. Its what someone here would say, not someone in that world, unless they follow Millis

[@hinata365247]

I think because rudy still thinks about the other world alot and forget he is i. Different world.

[@viciousoz4188]

29:08 He didn't say "regrets." He said "seriously" ("Honkide," a reference to the Japanese title?). As in, he's going to live earnestly. I assume it was supposed to be a title card moment

[@JustRibs]

Gotta say, with how much you hated it, I lowkey expected a drop, but glad to see we'll be here same time next year lmao

[@ElyonDominus]

We'll see. See y'all then.

[@LisaOnRoids]

It's high time in mushoku tensei lol ain't no one dropping this anime now.

[@shadycactus7896]

I still feel like she's entertained by the show, although she doesn't agree with the decisions in it

[@internetgoat4831]

People are getting Mad at Norn when Norn is the actual sane person in this situation. It's like people hating on Skyler White because Walter White is the "good person."

[@LisaOnRoids]

She did have a perfectly normal reaction tbh.It would have been pretty weird to see everyone just accepting it directly without any backlash.

[@lordlubu3029]

As a Roxy fan, I think Norn's reaction was sensible and the highlight of the episode lol

[@derpelex580]

Norn became my favorite character after this episode 😭😭

[@viciousoz4188]

Imagine Norn not already being your favorite character ... That being said: Roxy did nothing wrong

[@bruhh...........]

religion aside. Norn's the one who pushed rudy's forward to save his parents and she always saw slyphy worrying about rudy's well being to the point she's conflicted and felt sorry for sylphy. Norn was the voiced from earth put by the author that will question the morality of mushoku tensei and rudeus s2pid antics. haha

[@Kaylakaze]

@@bruhh........... Norn just sticks her nose and religious brainwashing in where it doesn't belong. It's none of her business.

[@Robin503]

@@minos284Just googled who Aisha marries… What in the hell? 😂

[@CC-of5xl]

​@Robin503 idk what you're replying to but you should Google who Norn marries next lol

[@colonelkenpachi5009]

I want to argue her opening argument a bit. Words do have power. But actions speak louder than words. Deep depresion you can have deep words and word things a vertain way. Words only work when the other side is listening. In Rudy's situation in his past life life and his current situation. Words were never going to get to him. His brother tried, his friend tried, his parents tried with words. And it didn't work.

[@arcepasm]

"I can re write the whole thing better" Sure lady.

[@viderlest8888]

10:37 I cant believe she is laughing while a little girl is crying her heart out over her death father...

[@lordlubu3029]

Ok, you are free to interpret media anyway you like and you are entitled to your own opinion....that said I feel like you are being extremely bias and not openminded at all about Roxy and it just comes across as blindly hating on her. Rudy does love Roxy, it isn't just grooming or respect, yes he does respect her sure but everyone should respect the people they love right? Those feelings are not mutually exclusive. I feel like you are twisting every genuine expression of love that Rudy/Roxy show to each other as some kind of fake romance. I think it's important to remember what Paul said, both his wives are different and he loves them equally but in different ways. Rudy loves Roxy but not in the same way he loves Sylphy. I don't think that makes their love any less valid though. He will always have a more "traditional" husband / wife relationship with Sylphy similar to Paul and Zenith, but for Roxy his love comes from a deep respect of her and everything she's done for him. So yes maybe it does come across a little more stiff and formal but I don't think it's fair to judge their romance as inauthentic. Also keep in mind he's still getting used to being in a relationship with Roxy whereas he's spent years with Sylphy at this point

[@philbobaggins9605]

Exactly this though. yeah the grooming part caught me completely off guard lol

[@dix_k3]

i think the biggest problem its bc Larah dont want to see the MT world as a different from our world in the romantic / lovers aspect. Its like the opposite of our society, when here we are most likely monogamy or something similar, in MT World the polygamy its normal, the only exception its for the Milis followers - and Norn its the representation of that in Rudeus Family - but they are minority in that world. And being bias and hating Roxy all the way like shes doing its maybe her way to say that, that she doesnt like it or understand - i think its more the first option, tbh. In the end, Sylphie says that if she was on the same position that Roxy was she will do the same, and it was completely ignored bc well, the hate of roxy its all over her eyes.

[@creativeartivity]

Yeah but I think you're overlooking the fact that she did in fact take advantage of him. I agree that Rudeus can love them both, I mean polyamory does exist. But the way it was went about is obviously going to leave a sour taste in people's mouths because 1) Rudeus didn't consult Sylphie (which didn't matter since she was open to it), and 2) she decided to do it when he wasn't in a clear state of mind.

[@philbobaggins9605]

@@creativeartivity I don’t think anyone is disregarding that but it’s really how she went about it after words. Like the conversation they had at the camp fire and even here with Rudy and her both owning up too it to sylphie. Atleast to me that’s what made up for it. Even her telling her Rudy that she wanted to get sylphies permission for marriage first.

[@gingerswag7776]

I mean the dude literally worshipped her panties for two whole seasons and treated her as his diety and they’re just now surprised that ended up legitimately loving her.

[@nikm3r]

That's what I like about MT, everything is realistic and messy, no "this is the ideal way to do things", always "this character, with these character traits, would do this", just like people do in real life.

[@novicelifts5197]

‘Before Sylphie became my granddaughter, Roxy was my bestie’- Elinaise probably

[@shin-iti]

33:00 as a Light novel reader, you are completely right. Sylphie for sure is more of a pushover and doesnt have much confidence in herself so even before she managed to be with Rudeus, she was already getting ready with the possibility of Rudeus going for more women, because he is a Greyrat, because he is Paul's son and stuff like this (we had a scene in the first part of season 2 that showed this as well, Sylphie getting in peace with this kind of thing way before) so yeah u r kidn on point in here. I just think you are not getting Roxy's motivation for doing what she did but not your fault, it is lacking the context in the anime. The thing is you are using our knowledge of psychology and ppl, so u know that this is taking advantage of someone. In Roxy's context, everyone was trying to solve Rudeus Issues because he was stuck in his room and they just were tired and wanted to move on and not wait till he got better (he was already a week+ stuck in his room without eating). Their sugestion for solution as Adventurers in this kind of world was just "oh he is a man, give him alcohol and woman and he will lit the spark". Everyone kinda just wanted to let Rudeus fix himself at that point because how exausted everyone was, but Roxy was the one that realized that he was fragile and needed a stronger push. So Roxy didnt want to mess with Rudeus, a married man, and their knowledge was that sex was going to help him go back to reality and start moving on. It's not like Roxy wanted to take this opportunity to get lucky, her only intent was to bring him to reality and just abandon him to have his "happy life" and not get in the way. Of course in our modern setting all of this sounds absurdly fishy because there are more ways to help a person, we know how psychology works in general and we would assume this is bullshit, but u gotta realize that all those decisions and sugestions were made by those medieval ppl.

[@Fallout_280]

I hate the fact that a literal child has the most common sense to be upset about his cheating then the actual wife

[@Hehexd944]

I mean if it wasn’t Roxy it would’ve been Pursena or Linea, of course if Rudy followed the man’s gods advice.

[@lordlubu3029]

yea it's actually hilarious that cheating on Sylphy was literally inevitable. It was predetermined he would be unfaithful lol

[@LisaOnRoids]

​@@lordlubu3029I mean sylphie went in a relationship knowing he would def bag another woman.

[@MasterOfBasara]

As you said, Rudy staying doesn't dictated that he would've followed the Man-God's advice. In fact, he was pretty set on not doing that even if he did stay. Whether he actually would have or not is something we don't know, but he didn't _need_ to follow his advice, as evident by the fact that he ignored him in the first place.

[@pwojo9776]

I will say Rudy handled the second wife situation a little better than Paul did. IIRC, Paul slept with Lilia behind Zenith's back, knocked her up, and then married her thanks to little Rudy's intervention. If Rudy does get a third wife, I have a feeling it'll definitely be Eris; as much the idea icks me, them being second cousins and all.

[@tatsu4867]

At least they are sixth degree relatives, which is legal even in the United States

[@AJ-ic6ck]

@@tatsu4867 Even more legal in their world

[@GinHindew110]

Eris and Rudeus are from two different family branches, each in charge of a different frontier, their parents are already distant cousins and they just share the family name

[@andrewli6606]

Second cousins is pretty far removed. Almost no religions or countries forbid it in the real world. First cousins is when it gets contentious in the real world, but was done pretty often historically. Anything closer starts getting pretty universally repulsive.

[@rf7182]

Zenith is a faithful Milis follower, so that must be controversial inside her mind

[@Arigatex]

Might as well rebrand to Millis follower reacts at this point LOL

[@Lloyd00]

Sorry but I disagree that mere words can bring you out a deep depression. Not that sex is required but actions are definitely required. Words are simply not enough

[@AndresGomez-ct7qb]

As a mental health professional. NOTHING can bring someone out of a deep depression in ONE scene. BUT, if we're talking what would be more effective as grief counseling? Sleeping with someone isn't more helpful than actually talking through the emotions they're experiencing. If anything, that could lead to some problematic pathologies. It's a show, and it's just a plot device, obviously. Had it been realistic, to get someone out of a catatonic state, it takes a lot more than just a single afternoon to galvanize someone to dig themselves out of such a dejected state.

[@shadycactus7896]

Sex also isn't enough to bring you out of a deep depression

[@BrIIghtG]

24:56 Aisha be catching strays out of nowhere lol

[@callofseiiki]

This is why this story gold for the complex and yet same time shows deep emotional aspects

[@christopheralvarez1551]

Imagine having so little faith in your husband that you just assume he's gonna start cheating if you're not around.

[@douglascostateixeira8265]

She read the terms and conditions before accepting the marriage lol

[@runawaycloak1752]

You missed the whole point she said she married him knowing he would get another woman she don't believe in Millis so she's open to double marriage if she didn't want him to marry another women she would have told him she believes in Millis same thing for cliff cliff believes in millis and elismise don't but she knows if she wants to be with cliff she can't sleep with other men anymore

[@jakeoriental8847]

@@runawaycloak1752Still doesn’t justify cheating.

[@KTS.]

@@jakeoriental8847nowhere in that statement did it even try to justify it

[@kurimiaisukurimu]

​@@jakeoriental8847Is strawmanning all you extra-chromosomed mfs can do?

[@somerandomweeb1941]

This is why I love discussing Mushoku man. The characters feel so real and the plot covers shit that has you genuinely thinking about these characters as if they were real people. The characters feel 3 dimensional frfr it's great. We can agree or disagree with a lot of situations in this show and you can always come to a different conclusion.

[@Tearod203]

Lmao, you were a mess this episode. Oh, and trust me, no one could've saved Rudy with words

[@Lloyd00]

Yeah that's kind of annoying. Thinking words can bring someone out of a deep depression. Shows she has no experience in the matter

[@TheMarch-jn3rz]

As someone who quite literally suffers from depression and had to go to the doctors all my childhood, I absolutely seethe when someone says something like this, just waking up in the morning with panic attacks was annoying because I tried going to school, it got to the point where I wasn’t even afraid anymore I was annoyed I couldn’t do anything in the morning without freaking out, waiting. If MT was more accurate then Rudy would’ve suffered his entire childhood that one trip down the town wouldn’t have been enough.

[@colonelkenpachi5009]

​@@Lloyd00 Not always people grieve differently and going off what was in LN the dude would have rotten in that room like he did in his past life.

[@Lalafluffbunny]

@@Lloyd00 riiiiiiiiiiight

[@Lloyd00]

@@Lalafluffbunny the thing is you don't think Rudy was in a deep depression and he was just grieving. So yeah words can help that but he was in fact in a deep depression that words couldn't help. The issue is what the anime cuts out is still relevant to the story. You should watch what the cut content video and it just might change your perspective

[@jvcscasio]

This episode proves Rudy is really terrible. TWO mages as wives? While being a mage himself? All dps, no tank NOR healer???

[@Venax91124]

She think this is messed up marriage...until she see future marriage in this world...she is blessed to her eyes for now😂😂....

[@solsticeo]

Game if throne level marriage id say, well, not red wedding kind at least😅

[@illiafilatov4491]

Its sad that now when we see how attached Zenith is to just Pauls equipment - she probably couldve recognize him if he was still alive, and that wouldve helped to heal her

[@YohanGever]

Roxy didn't groom Rudy lol. A decision can be broken up into two: act and intent. Grooming means that Roxy had malicious intent and actively seduced 5-year-old Rudy. Roxy did neither of that. They reunited as two grown-up adults. And I mean that Rudy is grown up as someone past the age of 15. Regardless, I liked your reaction to that scene and can understand why you reacted that way.

[@Lalafluffbunny]

hence, "indirect" for lack of better words

[@lordlubu3029]

@@Lalafluffbunny So then did Frieren groom Himmel? It's literally the same situation. I dislike the idea of just calling their relationship grooming because you are basically removing all agency from Rudy for all the feelings he has from Roxy throughout the series. It's just a completely uncritical way of analyzing their dynamic.

[@watoyatoauto8526]

​@@lordlubu3029she hasnt seen Frieren

[@nugget6820]

So, do you think Frieren groomed Himmel as well? After all they met when he was like 6 or something, he fell in love and clearly she does have feelings for him

[@blazenitrozeus5721]

No defending or anything but just explaining 1 we have to take how in years compare to other race like if a elf that have 100 is as old as a humain in it 20 2 we have to take in fact that she stii ciew rudy as a child dont matter if a gronw man she see him as a child the she fall in love with was not rudy because she did not reconize that was him for frieren she just helped a random child then much later a man recruit her so 1 for elf year we can considère her as like she was 60 or 70 if she was humain and even then thzt young for them

[@abyyoung5990]

​@@blazenitrozeus5721 roxy is also super old and ages differently

[@MasterOfBasara]

I _knew_ people were going to try to bring this up (Which is funny, since she hasn't reacted to it on this channel and don't think she's even seen most of it yet), but this analogy really doesn't work because the circumstances are much different. In the case of MT, Rudy and Roxy were around each other for much longer and had a closer relationship as student and teacher respectively. In Frieren's case, Frieren was a passerby who happened to come across a random child that happened to be Himmel and had a very brief interaction where she told him where to go. They only seem similar on a very basic surface level. That said, I do agree that it isn't grooming, because it wasn't Roxy's intention and she didn't realize who Rudy was when she first met him again.

[@yousef1429]

I swear that’s the best reaction on the channel 😂😂😂

[@ednamodee]

they knew to cut that part about rudy saying he was gone slap norn bc she was shit talking roxy 💀

[@lil_dreezy1351]

I wanted them to keep that shit in sooo bad😂😂😭

[@hmmm..668]

That ain't fair to norn bruh

[@stellar1016]

If that's what happened in the LN, that's a bad writing. Rudy and Roxy both deserves to be shit talked indefinitely and Rudy knows that or should know that.

[@bennisus]

​@@stellar1016and why did you think that

[@hmmm..668]

@@stellar1016 nothing bad about it, it's just a thought bro, people have bad thoughts but it's the worst if you applied it. That's why the meme "he let his intrusive thoughts win" it's just a thought bro, it's not that deep.

[@SorwestChannel]

Lala going into the next Livestream titled "okay so let's mushoku this tensei spaghetti" 😆😆

[@jjpasay]

"I'll go on living in this world...without regrets." The universe: Are you sure about that?

[@sorakirisaki5330]

If rudeus says that "i don't want roxy to leave" that means that he's being selfish. That's your typical love drama stuff. He said what he said coz he prioritised her feelings over him being selfish , coz he knows everything so far has been his selfish idea

[@alphaismywife6518]

true. He is worried about her.

[@Animewatcher352]

See this where that skipped content, context would have been useful because he really tried to keep her from going under the impression that she was pregnant already this is elinalise setting up again

[@ElyonDominus]

​@@Animewatcher352 I hope whoever handled the pacing of this season never works in media again. The adaptation went from a masterclass into typical anime slop.

[@Animewatcher352]

@@ElyonDominus if that's how you feel. But on the flip side everyone else I've seen and talked to would disagree even light novel readers still like this.

[@alphaismywife6518]

@@Animewatcher352 Dude, in that scene, he mentioned in LN too that he promised to make Roxy happy. He really wanted to make her happy and to not let her go. It is not related to the pregnancy news by Lise. He wanted to keep her cos he cares about her and her feelings. Not just cos of pregnancy news. Whatever, the pregnancy case was removed by author in anime adaptation. I mean author involved in this. So it's what it is. I like this change. But skipping the entire bar scene, changing Rudy and Roxy position, making Roxy aggressive one who shows no hesitation in anime are not the good changes. Anime wants to reduce blame on Rudy and shifts most of the blame to Roxy. Even in last episode, I was hoping to see he thinking about slapping Norn to stop her in order to stop Roxy from leaving.

[@DreavyHinker]

I love your reactions lmao i also get very frustrated with decisions the characters make😂 MT is my favorite anime and yelling at the characters is part of the fun!

[@Miki_Naz]

Great reaction as always. One thing that's worth pointing out. It's obvious that what Rudy did with Roxy was incredibly sh*tty, that being said it was way more sh*tty form his own point of view, than from Sylphie's. Core issue with cheating, is not the act itself, but breaking your partners boundaries. A promise that he made, he placed on himself voluntarily, it wasn't something Sylphie expected of him, so she didn't consider it breaking her boundaries. Still an a*s move to break a promise tho.

[@aeonc1107]

Lmao I really enjoy listening to your discussion of MT episodes, it’s contagious

[@SorwestChannel]

12:38 Back in season 1 Rudeus, Ruijerd and Eris encounter Paul, by luck pretty much, and the two girls were part of Paul's team then. But they're pretty much background characters.

[@cyrusgudino1708]

Aye yo Rip my girl Aisha 😭 she catching mad strays for no reason

[@AJaxnn]

Fr fr. 🤧

[@PrinceKumar-yz8nl]

Roxy child be like "through out heaven and earth I alone am the honored one" If you know what I mean Hitogami pissing himself right now lol

[@az639]

Hitogami is hitting his head on the floor screaming at Rudy to not marry Roxy. 😂

[@Idk-ro9nt]

I think it’s okay to feel angry about Roxy. Roxy herself said she took advantage of Rudeus and was being selfish.

[@lordlubu3029]

I think it's fine to be mad at Roxy but watching a reactor just constantly hate on a favorite character irrationally is annoying. Also it's a bit hypocritical. Sylphy and Eris also took advantage of Rudy and have done some bad things, Sylphy even admits this episode she would have done the same as Roxy. So the hate just feels way too bias.

[@raec5426]

​@@lordlubu3029 When did Slyphie take advantage? She doesn't seem to like the romance aspect of MT in general, but just sees Roxy situation as the worst one.

[@lordlubu3029]

@@raec5426 Sylphy drugs him with the potion, and she admits that were she in Roxy's shoes she would have also taken advantage of Rudy

[@raec5426]

@@lordlubu3029 She didn't drug him though. She told him about the aphrodisiac first and Rudy drank it himself. lol

[@lordlubu3029]

@@raec5426 She still went in with the intention to slip it into his drink, the LN makes his consent much more ambiguous

[@jaymigue4726]

I LOVE how different every reaction from different people has been for these 2 episodes hahaha I really love MT because it doesnt give a fuck and just goes wild in every aspect and it somehow still manages to make me love it more and more Theres obviously a lot of cut content for more understanding of everything which id highly recommend looking up, i might even buy the light novels

[@mustofaakmal7493]

Yeah, Sylphie really value Rudy more than herself. This will come up as a problem later for her, so i hope you're looking forward to it

[@GeraldWalls]

23:00 "To be honest, I thought it was just a matter of time until Rudy brought another woman home." Sylphie knew what taking the name Greyrat entailed.

[@sirmcdust5572]

The Aisha switch up was crazy, accidentally did a Norn lmao

[@Michael1725z]

This left me with one question though, where was the " regret" ? that has me a little bit scared for next season I ain't gonna lie

[@bennisus]

the regret was Paul

[@Tounushi]

Good.

[@nugget6820]

It was Paul

[@solsticeo]

Ss3 will be real fun

[@otober4201]

Sylphie is just TOO KIND AND TOO NICE, I could never 😞 (SHE'S GORGEOUS TOO BTW, the earrings fuh 😩) looking forward to S3 tho!! When the ending showed Eris, I gasped cos what will happened next?

[@caliithildae8500]

Sylphie actually expected the second wife to be Linia, Pursena, or Nanahoshi. The first two especially due to their large busts given that Greyrat men are known for liking big breasted women.

[@aresrivera9744]

4:40 they tried that and it didn’t work. He couldn’t even eat food he would just throw it up. literally the only thing saving this guy was Roxy the light novels make that explicit. Regardless of what you think about the situation, he was gonna die without Roxy that is a fact . Just want to provide context Since you seem to misunderstanding the dire situation theywere in.

[@Not-Batman]

"With all the things you've lost, think about what you still have" I'm not a real One Piece fan but they handled this so much better when Luffy lost everything. Evangelion didn't have to resort to it either in 4.0. It was extremely tasteless and terrible writing to get him his second wife. I don't have an issue with him having multiple wives but this wasn't the way to go about it.

[@aresrivera9744]

@@Not-Batman I disagree. This shows how different the world is from our own. How nobody here is a therapist and the closest one they have is elinalise. Because she’s been on many adventures where people have lost their friends and family . And from her experience the way she always cheered them up is sleeping with them. Of course they didn’t show that in the anime For some reason. elinalise also manipulated Rudy into marrying Roxy anout lying by her being pregnant

[@brandonliralizarraga9809]

25:00 oh so that's your real you HAHAHA

[@SwiddyDiddy]

24:56 I bust a gut laughing. Poor Aisha LMFAO

[@hadalwisp3075]

I never saw you so energetic in any other anime before 🤣

[@boris2656]

Once again, this reaction is going to be VERY fun

[@jacenouzen]

29:20 the fact the last line was "regret" when the main topic gor this last half of the season was rudy's regret whether he left or stayed... is insane. bombastic side eye, when it faded black on that line.

[@RastrKrok]

Depending of the reason of depression, probability of "talking way out" for friends may vary. I was in depression myself. No matter how many "right words" i was told, it doesnt changed my feelings. Even if i'm understood things in head, what i need to do, but in my heart i still feel like sh1t, and couldn't move forward. So if depression is deep, you or suffering like 1-2 years and get up yourself, or something happens, not just words, and it shakens you and you get up also. Most likely, if words could solve the problem (for example if you feel heardbroken and unloved, rejected by world, love Confession will definitely do something), but death of your father can't be solved by "its not your fault", cuz it's partially is, and you know it. If dude doesnt eat and throw up every time like month, KNOWING he has wife and kid on the way, which is like heaven for fatty NEET, I don't think there is any word or phrase vould heal him. He wouldn't survive long enough to make it back to Silphy, more than this, nobody except him knowing teleportation magic to activate portal. But being in this state he will not use it. But direct injection of happy hormones during a fun night with Roxy would. (But their night had different meaning in novel, he just took it out on her, and it wasnt clearly happy time for both of them)

[@joaopao34]

OK, we finished the second season with the GODDESS OF LOVE 💚 and the GODDESS OF WISDOM 💙. This is a detail that I won't adapt because the anime simply skips a lot of things but Rudeus has a unique faith where he worships his wives, it's beautiful and bizarre at the same time.

[@unmasked271]

Girl, this is an actual comedy. Lmao. Also, would love seeing a vid talking about what you wanna say about the show, would be fun to watch.

[@deinonychus1948]

24:56 Oh god, inadvertently insulting Aisha broke her lol

[@maspaijo5987]

I knew it, she is milis folower!! Lmao😂😂

[@SaladinG14]

I love the way you express your opinions, I feel like they’re completely valid. There’s a bit in the light novel that happens where Aisha talks a little smack to Norn about flying off the handle to Rudy and Roxy, but Rudy himself stops Aisha and says something like “Stop. Norn’s opinions are completely valid and Sylphy herself had every right to make those points if she felt that way.” I think the conclusion really is that what Roxy and Rudy did was wrong, a betrayal to Sylphy. Things only ended up “happily” because Sylphy forgave, which she had every right not to.

[@machetank4045]

Yes please make another, longgg, video where you just talk/discuss/ramble about the anime and the story. I'd very much enjoy watching you just go on about your thoughts without concerns of being concise.

[@theonden]

If Rudy hadnt gone to help find Zenith, he would have lost more than Paul, Roxy would have been lost and killed, doubt they would have found the portal to the final boss and if they did they would have not beat the Hydra and knowing Paul he would try till he died along with his party

[@Izzys]

13:40 I had to take my headphones off before he said that 😭

[@l30nard03]

Great reaction 😂👌🏽 I can't wait for season 3 Mushoku Tensei just keeps getting better 🤩

[@ElyonDominus]

You are working yourself into a tizzy, very entertaining. Roxy leaving depressed means, to Rudeus, that she's going to off herself. Rudeus was nearing death when Roxy helped him and he remembers his past experiences where he stopped caring about anything and everything. The anime did the volumes of the LN so dirty. If you're going to be anime only you're going to have to pay attention. Only Norn acting like a fundie had any delusion of monogamy. It's not even remotely common in their world. Norn harping about Millis but not even Zenith or Cliff seemed to pay that much attention when it came to their partner. Sylphie had the final say. Not Rudeus nor Roxy, and certainly not a child sibling. If you take modern sensibilities to a medival society you're just going to spin around in circles. MT is not superficial anime slop. The adaption leaves plenty to be desired but there's a ton here. For instance, in the LNs we've seen what Eris is up to. The anime threw up a placeholder gif. I don't know, but I certainly haven't seen Rudeus regret anything. Weird.

[@lordlubu3029]

The anime expects people watching to pay attention to all the details, facial expressions, background, dialogue etc.... because it is very meticulous in its story telling, it cannot afford to just info dump how every character feels and thinks like the novel can. that's the issue with people reacting to this season, unless you are really open minded and willing to look at the context or are very media literate, then this season will just drive you insane because to someone who isn't paying attention or being open minded it looks like characters are being messy and causing drama for no reason. If she plans to watch S3 I really hope she rewatches S2 with a much more open mind and without trying to force modern western morality into a medieval dark fantasy setting.

[@lugoilustrations2306]

Seré muy feliz si haces un video exclusivamente para hablar de mushoku jajaja. No se si tienes el tiempo o las ganas, pero me gustaria que te leas la novela tambien (solo hasta el volumen 12) estoy muy seguro que la vas a disfrutar (y te va a estresar muchisimo) Perdon por ponerlo en español, no soy bueno expresandome en ingles

[@ezequielfernandez476]

oh honey, if an anime literally makes you speechless then it is doing its job very well haha ​​one good thing is that MT is usually very permissive with its audience about how to interpret its story, your position is very reasonable, I don't particularly agree with it but I can understand your reasoning and I think that most of us fans understand that and that's why you noticed the healthy discussion in your last video, there will always be misfits or people who just want to stir up the hornet's nest to get attention but it's always the minority, I'm sure We'll see you in season 3, in 2 years or so haha

[@senien76]

Lala muchas gracias por las reacciones a toda esta temporada. Fueron muy entretenidas! Espero que te veamos en la tercera temporada.

[@danielalva5442]

No matter how much I know about the novel or the future of the anime, the confession to Sylphy about the second wife was so hard to watch, but at least it had an amazing scene from Norn

[@SilverCrow0101]

12:30, season 1, when Rudeus first met Paul, the girl on the right is the one wearing the Bikini armor so men would look at her instead of her traumatized sister.

[@jOKER66909]

two swords are always better than one sword

[@neverletmego6414]

12:30 Can't blame ya for not recognizing Vierra. She was clad in bikini armor in season 1.

[@sgcastle8389]

12:47 you saw them in 16th episode of season 1. When Rudy sees Paul again, the tall one fought Rudy while he was wearing her underwear in the face. During their fight Rudy also accused Paul to cheating on his mom with her which wasn’t true.

[@ElyonDominus]

She didn't recognize her with clothes on.

[@GeraldWalls]

It's almost like Hitogami lied that Rudy would regret going, huh.

[@ThirdMyth]

All I’ll say is that Rudy’s Birth is an anomaly and hopefully gets explained one day in the anime.

[@VashTheHumanStampede]

24:55 what did Aisha do to deserve that hate XD

[@tenebrasm]

I waited whole week for this.

[@ArmandoAvila-rm2md]

great video Lala! its funny watching you spazz at times lul

[@raziel6304]

I feel like I wanna run a bit of defense for Elinalise here. She's a woman that has lived with a condition for hundreds of years, she fell in love with plenty of people she's slept with throughout those years, and she's had plenty of children and grandchildren by now. Most importantly, she's had her heart broken *many* times aswell (Paul being one such example) and that has led her to many dark paths. When she saw Roxy, she probably saw herself in the past and she didn't want Roxy to go through what she went through. Do not treat her too harshly for not being a model grandmother.

[@StoicK609]

20:24 sounds less like a life partner, and more like an unsatisfied customer

[@famimame]

Roxy never beating the grooming allegation

[@ElyonDominus]

Rudy thanking Roxy for taking the unfounded and incorrect grooming allegations for a change.

[@lordlubu3029]

Except the allegation makes 0 sense, Roxy didn't even speak to Rudy since he was 5

[@kyrie980]

Well this is skipped content but actually Rudy had time to confirm it when holding the baby by speaking Japanese and English to determine whether the baby was also a reincarnator or not.

[@GinHindew110]

The thing about Rudeus is that people have no idea how he is affected by things, he can be indiferent to things other consider important, and cares a lot about smaller stuff others wont ever think about Roxy and Silphy have understod some of his angles and act upon them trying to help him, but they also have their own personalhangups Silphy knows Rudus can need help sometimes, but in the end her main worry is being "good enough for him" as she thinks she is the unbalanced part of the relationship, like, her main strenght was being a silent caster bodyguard, but against Rudeus her magic was completely useless And Roxy knows Rudeus needs lots of help in concise situations, but otherwise you can leave him alone to do his thing, and mostly sees him under the idea of mutually pushing each other forward, particularly about magic, so her main concern is of "being helpful" Is like that time Rudeus was learning languages and had trouble with the demon language, so he wrote Roxy asking for advice and she wrote him a book, and hired a high ranking adventurer to delilver it across countries Roxy was confident Rudeus needed this big help as soon as possible, and he could do the rest on his own But i get what you mean, Roxy could have just waited and comforted Rudeus by talking, and after returning they could have researched magic together for a few months and eventually become married, without the need for all this drama Is just that Roxy felt she had to be the one to do something, as she was the one who better understood how vulnerable Rudeus could be, and had to give one big help so Rudeus could deal with the rest on his own, and she wanted to make her move FunFact: Silphy expected Rudeus to marry Nanahoshi as second wife, because from her point of view they share some special bond, as they speak the same langugage (japanese), like the same food (japanese food) and Rudeus allows Nanahoshi to visit their house and use their big (japanese style) bath Thats why she was so accepting of the whole deal

[@bondsmatthew]

Regarding your intro, yeah I don't agree with you personally but not everyone needs to like every decision by every character. I didn't understand some of the comments before on the other video bashing. Just because I disagree with someone's opinion on a tv show doesn't mean it gives me any right to attack them if that makes sense. Many and most of the comments(at least when I got to the video) were relatively nice though Because the story deals with these uncomfortable truths it means we can have meaningful discussions yknow

[@thanglongnguyenvu3815]

True that. I don't know why but people seem to expect their main character to be a saint. It's weird. I really like that none of the characters in this series have made safe or clean decisions. Zenith, probably the sanest character came from a prestigious family. She quit all that and became an adventurer. By logic, that's stupid. But people don't criticize that at all.

[@ElyonDominus]

​@@thanglongnguyenvu3815 A lot of people got real uncomfortable when they recognized themselves in Rudeus. That's all it is. That and people who get their opinions from Elon's version of fourchan.

[@Wryvan]

Well, if you've made it through the final filter, it'll be a breeze from now on.

[@theindoorboys977]

That's the problem with other love story's, they chattered for you selfish desires rather you actually care on how your partner feels. This thinks outside the box

[@rastynicc]

12:35 those two were victims of the mana disaster that were enslaved before being rescued by Paul's mana disaster search group. After being rescued, they joined said group and were first seen fighting Rudy in the episode where Rudy reunited, and then squabbled, with Paul. Vierra is the sword fighter in bikini armor who's underwear rudy used as a mask, and Shierra is the one who was casting spells behind her.

[@uvuvuwewenyetwe644]

I think its all about the way you see it, human interactions (living beings in general) can be entirely turned into an unauthentic manipulative fake spectrum. Its all about the way you twist words, you can twist them for good, or turned them for bad.