Suzuki GSX-8S vs KTM 790 Duke | Ultimate Middleweight Shootout!!

[@microfly2008]

Had an 890 duke and loved it but the niggles started oil leak water leak , engine cutting out randomly front break pulses at low speeds . So Greg is spot on with his assumption if it’s your own money go with the Japanese bike . Great work boys keep them coming

[@Supernova12034]

my made in japan honda leaks as well

[@dannygernaat9961]

​​@@Supernova12034had a Fireblade with the known crankshaft problem (2008-2010) my 890R is perfect so far

[@JinKazama92]

just tighten those bolts and coolant hoses and you're good to go.

[@sbsb4995]

​@@Supernova12034same thing happened to me😢

[@The.JZA.]

What year was your 890 Duke? Maybe those issues have been resolved? I have a 2020 390 Duke and haven't had any issues. I've only done 5,600km on it though.

[@laundrydaymonsoon8470]

The made in China thing is a bit of a red herring, the ones made in Austria are not exactly renowned for their reliability either

[@deadfishparty]

Agreed. I’d trade build location for potentially better build quality any day. If your head gasket goes you won’t be thinking I’m glad it’s made in Austria.

[@sbsb4995]

​@@deadfishpartyspot on

[@SonriseSunset]

CF Moto is a good manufacturer. The days of none computerized manufacturing processes are gone in China - Mainstream China. Now if you want to talk political motivation wells that a horse of a different color, mainly red and communist and they have become a serious rival to the western world's domination over commerce, military and space. Do we want to feed them more money? IDK, but then again why are so many companies going to them to produce whole bikes, engines, parts, etc? And maybe that's a good thing too bc difference between countries like russia and n korea, they have not much to lose attacking us, where as China's ship would sink faster than the Titanic. And if it's one thing the Chinese are about, it's money and business. It just so happens their form of Gov't is commuism and it seems to work for them. Recall they have what 1.4biilion people? That over 4 times more people than the US has at 330M people. And I'm not so sure anymore that our form of Gov't is working so well....we are in some form of bad juju dysfunction since the conservatives have taken over.

[@jeremyd8778]

The same here in the United States. Quality control is not what it should be on CFMoto. You need to live close to a CfMoto dealer If you want to try one out.

[@sandralunsford5108]

@@jeremyd8778exactly!

[@ozzyg82]

For me - it was the 8S that took my heart and money. Love my bike - not only is the KTM built in China and the 8S in Japan, but the 8S has the bi-directional quick shifter as standard and you have to pay over £200 more for one on the KTM. One of the main selling points of the 8S is it’s high build quality and comfort. It’s my only bike, so I think the extra bit of comfort of the 8S is the smarter bike since I tour, commute and have fun on it. Great all round package. Now we just need Suzuki to make an 8RS; tuned fully-faired with clip-one on the 8S’ platform.

[@CaptainChristianZ1818]

Honda 750 Hornet enters the chat room.

[@johnjcleland]

The GSX 8R is coming in 2024

[@krummdiddlyumptious1784]

@@johnjclelandhow much do you think price increase for the R? Upwards of 10k maybe?

[@johnjcleland]

@krummdiddlyumptious1784 no idea, maybe just under or a little over $10k. We will see around March

[@thomasneedham1512]

@@krummdiddlyumptious1784 MSRP in the US is under 10K USD, so hopefully not. My 2023 8S was discounted 1500 USD so I grabbed that deal, especially since the seat is more comfy than the KTM, and I don't have to pay for a quickshifter, and my trade offer was a LOT better than the KTM dealer's offer.

[@Trevster65]

Got white gsx8s and I’m not disappointed, there are lots of faster more powerful bikes but 8s is perfect for me and my riding style.

[@bhok1971]

White looks best imo

[@GSXBLUESIDNEY]

Ciao da Roma , le nostre GSX 8S sono bellissime 💞

[@marksimpson5218]

Love the Suzuki bombproof, it will do 100k miles no problem. In the real world it will keep up with any bike.

[@NeuroticLobster]

@@marksimpson5218I think the thing a lot of people should keep in mind is that a 5 or even 10% difference on paper isn’t going to mean jack in real world riding for the average person. Who cares if the other guys bike is 0.5 seconds faster around the track, you ain’t going to ride it that fast lol

[@thomasbouvier3203]

kinda love the blue... And black looks good too, stealthy.... white was my least favorite but glad to hear ppl love it ;). Saddest one is still the grey 2024... ^^'@@bhok1971

[@tonyjourneyman1944]

Just bought the 8S. I've never ridden any motorcycle I've ever owned up to 100% of its potential, including the SV650 I currently have. I think the 8S will be the same, tons of usable power and more than I'll ever need.

[@nickclarkuk]

How does the sv650 compare to the 8s for enjoyment and just to live with ? Both are bikes I’d like to own. I’m currently on a cb500f for commuting year round .

[@tonyjourneyman1944]

@@nickclarkukI don't pick up the 8S until tmr. The SV is an amazing fun machine with a great engine, unfortunately I haven't been able to get on with the suspension on it, despite upgrading it. I rode the 8S and the hornet on a test ride and the 8S felt better to me. The hornet is great to, but it felt "small".

[@user-nf6us8no3m]

@@nickclarkuk I'm upgrading from a CB500F and have been looking at the SV650, 8S, MT900 and Z900. Too many decisions lol

[@yourwifesboyfriend6081]

@@user-nf6us8no3mThe 8s is in a different category than the Z900 & MT-09. Can’t go wrong with any, but I’d vote the 8s. Saves some of the mystique and excitement of more power for the future.

[@MrSilus2000]

99% of riders can't ride close to their bikes potential they buy a bike they are intimidated by just to have it and are too scared to ever do anything with it

[@kevinwheatley1097]

I test rode the 890 Duke and the GSX-8S. I preferred the Suzy and bought a blue one last Saturday, trading in my 2023 CBR650R.

[@brandonbennett9271]

Kevin hopefully you’ll see this I’m currently trying to decide whether to buy the 8s or CB650r the naked one why did you switch what were your reasons thanks in advance

[@seandaliege]

Any reason to pick a GSX8s over an mt-09 if price isn't a factor?

[@Pfannkuchenkanone]

Maybe if you prefer a 2-Cyl sound. Other than that, the MT09 is better in every way possible ​@@seandaliege

[@Pfannkuchenkanone]

​@@brandonbennett9271do you ride a lot of countryside and city? Pick the 8S. Do you like the 4cyl sound and top end performance on high speed roads pick the CB650R. I currently have a CB650R and it's a very nice bike don't get me wrong. But I now need something with more "useable" power down low and more torque. So I'll probably switch to the XSR900 or Svartpilen 801 this year. Hope this helps. :)

[@seandaliege]

I'm actually between the gsx 8s and the street triple 765 after test riding both. Such a hard decision.

[@CookingwithChefDai]

Who cares if it’s manufactured in china? It would be a difference argument if the bikes were designed and manufactured in china. Surely it’s just a case of the Chinese workers at the KTM factory building the bikes to the exact spec and blueprints provided by KTM HQ.

[@zed5129]

Many people care, myself included, much rather have a jap built bike.

[@grahamcunliffe9352]

I bought the Hornet in March and absolutely love it.

[@chiefyy710]

Really wish they’d bring this to the states

[@Jimo368]

The head to head format you have now is a great addition. Something I think about as a long time multiple Suzuki owner, is the historic racing heritage they have with the likes of Sheene and Schwantz, and that counts for a lot with me and something a Chinese bike will never have.

[@vladplaysmetal2548]

KTM doesn't compete in MotoGP and many other bike events? Also, so what, aren't Triumph manufactured in Thailand? KTM is Austrian first and foremost, manufacturing overseas is something else, lots of brands do that.

[@Jimo368]

@@vladplaysmetal2548 It’s great to have choices isn’t it?

[@SteveSteeleSoundSymphony]

@@Jimo368A Japanese bike made in Japan is great feeling. I’m glad Suzuki did this with the 8S and the 8R.

[@bseidem5112]

The Kove?

[@gsd32i]

Great video. Having owned a KTM890R Duke from new and recently sold it, the day after which the valve cover gasket failed on the new owner(out of warranty but to be fair my KTM dealer replaced/ repaired FOC asa goodwill gesture)the only thing that I would be weary of would be reliability.I wanted to get a 3rd year warranty but Ktm don't do them but is standard on the Suzuki, one of the reasons I sold it.Although an all new bike and having test ridden the Suzuki for a WHOLE day, there is no doubt in my mind I would go for the Suzuki, better riding position, better dash and I really liked the delivery of the power from the GSX-8S(crap name)'s engine. Would very much like to see a video done of a "day in the life of lamb chops"video as a KZbinr etc and what it entails.....🤪

[@petrol11]

Really enjoyed this comparison. Bought the 8S last week and its been so impressive! Its exactly as sporty as i want it to be in the twists and curves, the torque just lets you destroy long lines of cars on quiet roads with how quickly it can pick up, super responsive, amazing brakes, i really dont care if it cant do 160mph

[@MarianChicu]

for my style of riding I’d probably get the ktm, but I really like how to gsx looks. Less like a toy, more like a grown up tool. Nice video chaps!❤

[@paulfowler6665]

Sad the Hornet isn't in this test as I bought one and love it but thinking about it these are £8000 bikes the Hornet is a £7000 bike so what about a test with the CFMoto 800Nk vs the Hornet as both are 7 grand. Btw before the Hornet I had a 390duke for 6years and never really had an issue with it.

[@MeMichandaBanger]

the 790 is currently £6999 including quick shifter/ blipper

[@deanharris9331]

Sunday morning viewing sorted again Chops 😊👍 Love these comparisons that Greg and yourself do......and your thoughts on the machines echo my sentiments exactly.......if I was putting my own money down then it would be on that GSXS8.

[@davewestsk8]

I test rode the Gsx 8s 750 hornet And the 790 duke recently The quickshifter didnt work propertly on the ktm demo bike and i found the throttle more jerky than the susuki. The s8 just feels more relaxed and smoother throttle and less aggressive overall. looks better too imo and more reliable the dash is also better. Yet to test out the aprilia 660 so that will be the next one Id rate them 1st suzuki 2nd 790 duke 3rd honda hornet But all still good bikes cant go wrong with any of um.

[@_Makanko_]

Did you have a go on the aprilia?

[@davewestsk8]

@@_Makanko_ sorry late reply no i didn't head some bad reviews on reliability so bought the gsx 8s

[@_Makanko_]

@@davewestsk8 Nice, enjoy it!

[@ragerider6283]

Another great & entertaining comparison. I really like the GSX8S so I'm biased tbh but I would chose it over the KTM simply because I know it would be more reliable over the 3 or 4 years I had it on finance. However the KTM is definitely a better bike in pretty much ever area seemingly.

[@LeeB132]

The suzuki does look a good bike, i have the ktm and love that too, its a bit unfair how people call ktms unreliable for no reason other than rumours though.

[@subzero-ku2wx]

@@LeeB132 lol sweetheart it's not a rumor. KTM doesn't warranty their R models past ONE year. Even they know they're unreliable. Your valve cover gasket will start leaking.

[@ragerider6283]

@@LeeB132 Well you can only say as you find & if yours has been reliable then good & I hope it stays that way. However, I've seen & heard about a lot of KTM's with issues regarding finish & leaks etc. Suzuki also has a 7 year / 70,000 mile warranty if you get it serviced by an official Suzuki dealer annually. I think KTM only offer a year which isn't reassuring or good enough imo. Austrian built KTM's have their issues & I have my doubts that a Chinese built one will be any better. Time will tell I guess.

[@LeeB132]

@@subzero-ku2wx bla bla bla bla bla

[@subzero-ku2wx]

@@LeeB132 lol 10k miles on my 890 R and the cams are eating themselves. That's the story for many of us. It'd be the PERFECT bike if it wasn't eating itself to death. 🔜🏍️💩💨

[@BenDean-w8v]

Went with the 790 since KTM were offering £1k off and free QS so no brainer for me.

[@paulconnell1309]

Great fun review as always, thanks. The 790 is not available where I love and I bought the Suzuki over the base model KTM 890. I like the relaxed position and nature as I mostly ride around the city and there is still plenty of excitement for the odd weekend ride.

[@ash19600]

390 DUKE & ADV is made in india, i had the ADV. Other than poor quality fixings it was a cracking bike.. Loved this video boys..

[@The.JZA.]

I watched a video on youtube about all of the times that Suzuki has cut corners and made motorcycles that were death traps. It has put me off Suzuki a bit because who knowns if they have cut corners on the 8S and years down the line, people will be making videos about how dangerous it was?

[@Kurlach]

I own a KTM 1290 SDR Evo and got the four year warranty but I have to say, despite owning it and loving it in this test I’d go with the Suzuki. The Japanese bikes might be a bit unimaginative at times but they’re bullet proof and that’s a massive plus point I think.

[@Sanisani9]

Traitor 😂

[@iivaridark6850]

We had a 2014 and 2015 sdr, traded them in 2021 to 2 new SDR1290s... Did almost all the service and maintenance work on the older ones. Basically they still are easy do-it-yourself bikes but got lazy with the new ones and have let the dealer do the servicing. No big issues up until now yet (exept the 2014 had the rear axle replaced as warranty item - there was a small play that I didn't notice but it was done anyhow by the dealer). Oh, there was: Indicator switches were replaced (they were trash from new) and one recall (for 3 electric wires) was done.

[@Sanisani9]

​@iivaridark6850 yeah my 2023 sdr evo no issues whatsoever. I let it sit in garage for 3 months no leaks started right away. Everything is perfect on it except monthly payments hahahah

[@romainquerel7531]

Good job, what a bike! About Suzuki gsx 8s, Could you tell me how to reset (bring back to zero) information of the trip1 or 2 ? What button and how used it

[@stevesane800]

The 8S is just always a little bit better in every comparison… I know… because I’ve got one & its fantastic 👌

[@johnnydavies7215]

I own the grey 790 duke and it's an amazing machine. My only complaint would be the tyres which were shot after 2000 miles. Michelin Road 6 fitted now and they take the bike to another level.

[@manurodrigo9646]

Hi, do you had any issues with that in all the whole year?

[@johnnydavies7215]

@@manurodrigo9646 no, all good

[@houseofroos]

Love this comparo format !

[@nigelfisher3756]

Great review as ever, thanks for posting. First up, noticed you’ve changed your intro’ which is no bad thing. You’ve lost the scene with you head butting the rock when on the off road bike; liked that! With regard to the review, couldn’t agree more. The KTM may have performance edge but it’s marginal and depends on riding styles & priorities. I’d buy the Suzuki for looks, fit & finish, brakes and suspension. And….it’s made in Japan (I believe). As an aside, what brand of bike gloves is Greg wearing…..or are they flash Aldi ski gloves?

[@nickclarkuk]

If I wanted a weekend plaything I’d buy the ktm, but for commuting as well, there’s only one bike I’d buy. Ktm need to up their reputation for reliability and service.

[@debenhamdave4314]

Love these comparison tests, although in my opinion would spend the £7999 on a 2 year old Street triple 765rs. Cheers Choppsy and Gregorio

[@chrishart8548]

When you throw used bikes into the mix any bike is possible though. Even a 1290 duke

[@sambagogo777]

I guess playing Top Trumps helps pass the time for KTM owners while their bike is back at the dealer awaiting its latest repair!

[@johnharvey5338]

Be interesting to compare it to the 800 CF Moto roadster as they are made in the same factory, it’s cheaper than the KTM, but same engine and frame. That would be good to see how they compare.

[@anthonytownsend4900]

I'd love a KTM, but every time I go to a bike meet, I make a point of asking KTM 890 Duke owners about reliability. I've heard of cracked dashes and water leaks. When have you heard of that on Suzuki?

[@HalfdeadRider]

A lot of bikes have been assembled in China, including some Suzuki's, and a lot of parts have been, and are made in China. Just because of that, it doesn't mean they are made to a lower standard, even Chinese owned bikes (or at least some), are very well made, Keeway/Binelli for instance (owned by the same group). China can make them cheaper in part due to almost city sized manufacturing plants.

[@moza1080]

Best moto vlogger duo

[@redleadervfr-v4906]

Brilliant bike test guys and like you guys the KTM is a bloody great bike. And to be honest it fits my 6’00” 20 body fairly well too. I’ve not tried the Suzuki but if it fits me I’d prefer to buy the Suzuki for myself. Might be it’s because I already own 2 Suzuki’s (and 2 Hondas) and I do love the reliability of my Suzuki’s too. That made in China thing I’m sure would not go away for me. Great job guys thanks👍

[@imre3497]

All the negative reliability comments about KTM. A load of BS from mostly non KTM riders. If any other brand breaks down its no problem because the dealer will fix it, but if it's a KTM...oh boy do we need to be whining about that... but oh boy what fun machines do they produce there at KTM👍

[@Islandboi821]

Trash China junk could never be as durable as any of the Japanese big fours!

[@inspectorclouseau3880]

Either one of those would be fun, i'd probably take the Suzuki if it's more comfy because i'm of a certain age now and that matters. Fun all the way for not too much money

[@mickmat860]

The bloke at the railway crossing, must of thought you was talking to yourself! Great vid chops.

[@adrianwhitfield6656]

I bought the 8S as my commute bike to get into London, its spot on for that. Best thing is I am saving £6.3K a year on my train season ticket, so can justify a second bike for the weekend ride.

[@gils33]

Guys, can you telle me your setup for video and audio ? A love the result. Especially the audio with the white/bleu shoei helmet.

[@BS32768]

Unexpected cameo by the car guy at the train crossing 16:40 - should've asked him which one looked better to him.

[@LambChopRides]

Haha I should! 😄👍

[@evanjohn503]

so what is the Final Price of the KTM? If its all in for 8K then fine but with possibly 2k of Electronic Extras forget it (definitely worth doing though)

[@shadowred1980]

Great job both of you. :)

[@Gsxsmeneer]

the paralel twin is a 90° v4? 01:46

[@Jonathan-yd8ud]

Says a lot about KTM in terms of reliability that it's so bad now they are prepared to start building them in China in the hope there is an improvement.

[@bencatt6246]

Brilliant review Chopsy. Both great bikes but probably comes down to a personal choice. I test rode a 790 recently and must say was blown away. Handling and engine was superb and build quality up there with other manufacturers. I expect if you look on any bike forum you’ll see reliability issues with all makes, not just KTM Keep them coming mate 👍👍👍

[@LeeB132]

well said im fed up with ktm getting a bad rep for no reason, i have the new ktm duke and its been faultless.

[@subzero-ku2wx]

Perceived build-quality is different than actual reliability.

[@bencatt6246]

@@subzero-ku2wx that’s true, I’m just going on experience having owned 2 KTMs and have had no major problem with either, just usual wear and tear and also realising that all manufacturers seem to have niggles with most models

[@subzero-ku2wx]

@@bencatt6246 As a brand KTM seems to do a lot of things right, and makes a bike viscerally engaging like no other. But the 790/890 platform just eats itself alive.

[@bencatt6246]

@@subzero-ku2wx hahaha yep. Good point😂

[@MrBinkz]

When are you gonna test the MT09SP Chopsy?!

[@LambChopRides]

Going to try and pick one up Wedsnesday 🤞👍

[@stevebrown2646]

Which is best in your opinion for comfort on rough roads in Kent, including the Hornet 750?

[@dennis.lc8407]

I have to say, no more new ktm for me! Had the first 790 Duke for 3 years and selled it due to the high amount of engine failures! Also had the problems like pulsing brakes and oil + cooling leak. The 8s isn't the prettiest bike but I will give it a try the next days.

[@martinhughes9769]

Always been a fan of suzuki motorcycles owned 8 over the years, But looking at it alongside the KTM that's got my vote, I'm not saying I'd buy one. I'm very sceptical about KTMs reliability , knowing my luck if I bought any KTM, I'd have the Built on a Friday afternoon the one last of the assembly line ,you know the one / problematic one, Great video, still enjoying the jokes 😊

[@1990-t1j]

How about a CFMoto 800NK? It looks a lot better than the KTM and it's only 6999 GBP in Britain. Built in China isn't a problem. They make good engines. CFMoto give you a four-year warranty. Great video, lads. Nick J

[@Rolilasx]

I`ll take japanese built bikes over chinese ones any day of the week. Cool video, thanks ! I really enjoy your content mister :)

[@JinZuS]

Nice review, enjoyed the ride with you two and it helped me make my choice. When it's your money that you're going to invest, it is kind of a deal breaker to go for something that has been outsourced in China for a cheaper price. I may be wrong but I always get the assumption that it is to skim on something either buildy quality, parts or something. Also keep in mind that you need to pay extra to get all the options that come stock on the 8S

[@richiektm]

Can you get some Knox gear for Greg which are also made in China

[@LambChopRides]

As I said some really good stuff is made in China! Hmm, only some of the Knox kit is made in China 😁👍

[@sambagogo777]

This video established that a heavyweight rider on a slightly faster bike will be about as quick as a lightweight rider on a slightly slower bike. Humour aside, the conclusion was well-stated. Bike reviewers may love to rave about KTMs but when having to actually spend their own money on a bike they'd sensibly opt for another brand instead.

[@stepestrella]

I hope cfmoto nk800 will be released and you can review it side by side with duke790, they have the same engine, it is from china

[@TheGray1967]

Great job as usual guys , giving me Waldorf & statler vibes 👍👍

[@LambChopRides]

Thank you, I think hehe 👍

[@alexandernoble8447]

17mins in. Would love if that guy said " do you know who I am, I am ronny pickering "..😂

[@kenmorrison1725]

As always great vid👍 my question though is if that's your budget £7999 and that was it 1 bike to do everything would you buy one of those or would you look at a second hand bigger/better spec bike? Might make an interesting vid for us poor folk!

[@PDCRed]

Thanks for your brilliant content Chopsy.

[@LambChopRides]

Glad you enjoy it buddy 😁👍

[@nokneedownian8521]

Gear4 near Peterborough are doing brand new Duke 790 brand new for £6,999 alot of bike for the money and if its your first big bike your going to be well chuffed

[@drbigmix7752]

I own a 4 month old 2023 790 (in the far nicer orange colour) and so far it’s not broken. I hope it doesn’t because it’s great to ride. My indicator switch housing had a screw only half done up but other than that it seems ok so far. That was the only thing I could find so far that wasn’t assembled right.

[@manurodrigo9646]

Hi, still had no problems on that bike?

[@MrFrostyankles]

I test rode the GSX8S today. There was a lot of vibration at highway speeds. Its a pass for me.

[@edwardcampbell3420]

witch bike has more comfortable riding position as far as leg position?

[@thomasbouvier3203]

Tip, suzuki weight is with all fluids and ready to go for 202kgs. That why it isn't as heavy as people tought. And checking ktm too. :) I wish we had a monster poped in, as it was my comparision, with Tuono 660 that was kind of on another league. Nice video tho. Loved torque oriented GS8S, but still went with higher reving monster (937) for same price. But 8S is really torquy without beeing janky and its cool.

[@pauluk.9549]

Great mixing your video with the adverts good job,

[@ajderuyter2293]

Got my 8S last week and I love it so far

[@SWTVENOM]

Expect the fact the speedometer is off , what a miss by Suzuki

[@zed5129]

@@SWTVENOM yeah every other bike has a precisely accurate speedo

[@andrewsavage937]

Good review. Ridden both & both impressive. Ktm for me. An important fact was missed. Yes the Ktm is made in China by CF Moto , which as you highlighted may put potential purchasers off, , but CF Moto have the confidence to offer a 4 year warranty on their own models ( Ktm is 2 yrs ). That says everything to me & I would not hesitate to buy the Ktm 790.

[@Gsxsmeneer]

Suzuki does six years on the brand new models though... might as well pick suzuki then?

[@stevieprice42]

Let's not forget BMW manufacture in certain things in China, like the 900cc parallel twin.

[@geoffmatthias3056]

Another great vid furk##g fantastic looking forward to the sustan pass cause it was shut when we tried it avalanche 👍👍

[@Noname16948]

I have a 2023 790 Duke. This Maschine is insane. Would never trade it. Style, sound, driving. for me perfection

[@teapoweredpro3556]

Always love these comparisons, your best content imo, how do you think the tuono 660 compares? I kind of see it in a group of its own between these and the mt07 etc (which I have) and the 765s, mt09, 890s

[@rogerkay8603]

Came here dead set on a 790 Duke, but leaving here looking for a deal on an 8S......

[@GSXBLUESIDNEY]

Io avevo il contratto pronto per ritirare il 790 , ma nel negozio c'era anche la gsx 8s , dopo una nottata di riflessione 😂 ho telefonato al concessionario e chiesto di cambiare contratto , per lui noj era un problema e cosi ho la suxuki. Mi è piaciuta di piu esteticamente, e la sensazione è che poteva essere PIÙ affidabile, e poi mi piace l'idea che è un progetto nuovissimo, prima generazione.

[@richardwarsinske7064]

My main interest is how the engines of the Duke 790 and the Hornet compare? Track day/high speed riding performance is a lower priority for me thanks to my old age/bad eyes so engine performance/character will more accurately determine how much I will enjoy the ride. Additionally from watching many comparative videos it always seems like the reviewers are having more fun on the Hornet (?). My comment/question about the roll-on test is gear to gear how close are the actual RPM's? I know the Suzuki has significantly shorter gearing than the Hornet but not sure if it has the same (easily altered) mechanical advantage over the KTM. Also curious how different actual unit cost would be if you had to pay for all the different options you get with the "as tested" demo mode?

[@RichardHill-y4g]

I’ve had my Hornet since April, 2600 miles on, I’m happy to say my wee beastie can do it all. Throttle can feel a bit choppy at slower speeds but I find it easier riding slower in sport mode & trundling around in a higher gear. Commuting is easy as bike is quite small & if you want to go quicker the engine is happy to oblige. Recently covered 230 ish miles in a day & bike performed faultlessly. Overtaking on A & B roads is a doddle & the Hornet is getting approximately 60 to 65 mpg. I’m really pleased with bike. I have seen a few GS8s out & about & really like the look of them too but for me the price was the clincher. I paid extra for the SC end can & quick shifter & pleased I did, the overall package is very good.

[@theincrediblesulk5543]

Another great comparison form you and Greg, I had assumed your appreciation of Suzuki’s mech build quality would always swing your vote Chops. I see someone commented on the 8S QS is standard which would be the final nail in the KTM for me. On a side note Could I request an updated “living with the GSXR “ vid from Greg as keen to see if still loving it and if had any issues ?

[@LambChopRides]

Yeah good idea mate 👍

[@web525]

I have owned two KTMs and both were reliable, however they are higher maintenance than Japanese bikes. The worst two new bikes I have ever owned were Japanese, one a Kawasaki and the the other a Yamaha. My point is any of the manufacturers can build reliable and unreliable bikes. Not in the market at the moment but when the time comes I would certainly consider another KTM.

[@davetalton6939]

Always look forwards to a bit of Chopsy on a Sunday morning.

[@MGman100]

I haven't ridden either but the GSX8S would be my choice. The elephant in the room isn't necessarily the fact that it's built in China, it's the fact that too many report issues with KTMs anyway. That alone would put me off buying one.

[@mgrides1989]

Didn't know the GSX8S was a V4 🤔 😂 (1min 43s in). Be great if it was. Great video as always Chops. 👍

[@brucekendall52]

Another top class comparitive review.Thanks a mill.

[@Fkmmm3]

A question about camera settings. You are the only KZbinr that captures speed. How? I’m going 100 and it looks like 30. You go 50 and it looks like you’re about to take flight.

[@johnDukemaster]

The 390ies are made in India. So many companies do this. Factories in China, India, Thailand etc. And the components used, such as brakes, ABS, injection and other bits and pieces are made in these countries aswell. Thank you for a well made film. (I'm a happy 790 Duke owner)

[@geraldgoodman9324]

After owning around 40 bikes the KTM 790 was my least favourite. Bought with 500 miles on the clock should have told me something, on the first service at KTM dealers they couldn't reset the clocks, new clocks under warranty. The suspension was poor and on anything other than super smooth road it would run wide. The engine in any town work was very stuttery on no load throttle. The seat was rock hard. I spent money on engine add-ons. it didn't fix it. I sold it at a big loss. I have a Suzuki gsxr 600 2011 L1 fantastic on the road and track days also a Ducati Monster 1100 EVO save yourself some money lots of great second hand bikes out there.

[@bryansuperduke1290r]

Looks like you have got your chest protector on upside down at the end of the vid Chopsy, widest bit goes at the bottom with the cut outs for your arms at top.

[@peeperpawsmcgee]

I have my 2030 790 it's very well made. Still early but I have put 1500 Mike's on it in about 30 days blissfully. It is a bit rough at low speed in traffic mainly because the short lower gears

[@donderstorm1845]

if the quality is still good, and as far as i know the 790 is still an excellent bike, i don't see the issue with it being manufactured in China. it's also manufactured by Cfmoto, which builds their own quality bikes.

[@pabloblascocarrascosa5425]

+10 hp, -10kg, more advanced electronics.... what else??? ❤

[@bseidem5112]

The electronics not being guaranteed on KTMs?

[@MrBinkz]

Wouldn’t be buying the 790 purely due to its link with China…. I’d still buy KTMs produced elsewhere, nothing against KTM themselves.

[@Bow-to-the-absurd]

Dude I bet 90% of the gadgets in your house are made in china

[@itchyballs4018]

Did you know that all iPhones and iPads are made in China.

[@PDCRed]

Fair comment. I assume this is a default position than a carefully considered/investigated conclusion? Everyone’s house is crammed with Chinese goods that are utterly reliable. I’ve just installed a complete solar system and it’s all Chinese. And it’s superb. I think we’re close to the issue disappearing for good. If your beef is political, that’s entirely different.

[@junkie1128]

Most bikes you buy are either made in china or at least a lot of the parts are years ago everyone said the same regarding Japanese bikes that changed didn’t it

[@MrBinkz]

@@PDCRed where I have the option I buy non Chinese. And yes it does stem from a more political standpoint, I’m willing to admit.

[@stephenmcqueen4029]

Parallel twins. I asked the dealer why? He said cos new riders are brought up on slow revving diesel engined cars, so a high revving four or torquey v twin would have them in a hedge.

[@MeMichandaBanger]

because they are so much better than rev happy gutless inline 4s

[@andrewstuart5237]

Hey Chop's great review again maybe you could try and get a ride and a review of the new CF Moto 800 NK

[@daveyt4802]

Still wondering where the CF moto 800 version is.

[@bigpauldevon7620]

I had a look at the 790 it’s £6999 £1000 off at the moment on sale it’s my first bike I’m 6 ft 4 is there any others I should be looking at should I go for the quick shifter is it worth the extra as I never used one before

[@LambChopRides]

Wow bloody bargain!! Yes get the QS

[@wattie1050]

Great review Chopsy ,good to see you and Greg having great fun on those two bikes .I think the long run will make folks minds up regards the Chinese involvement , but a load of bikes are made all over the planet now probably to avoid the VAT man .😁😁 two decent real world fun bikes .👍

[@rickseconds7676]

I really like the 8S, would love to own the blue version.

[@marktyers2904]

Really like your reviews and totally agree that as a buyer. I definitely wouldn’t buy the ktm as it’s built in china. Japanese all the way. Had ktm’s in the past and even when they weren’t built in china I had reliability issues. All my Japanese bikes ran fine..

[@SteveSteeleSoundSymphony]

The low/mid torque of the Suzuki is the biggest selling point for me. Suzuki tends to focus on the low and mids a lot and even for advanced street riders, (whatever that means), maybe with the addition of a couple extra teeth on the rear sprocket, that could be a lot of fun, especially on the 8R. Plus Made in Japan, you can’t beat that, IMO.

[@stevenhills1058]

Iv got the 790 Duke absolutely perfect ❤ truly amazing bike all round the only thing I'd change it for is a 890r...

[@anthonytownsend4900]

Of course, every KTM doesn't have water leaks and oil leaks, but why do some of them have these issues? When did you hear of a Japanese bike with an oil leak or water leak? KTM would be my dream bike, but I'm scared.

[@JinKazama92]

​@@anthonytownsend4900 bro open your mind a little. Japanese bikes aren't free of flaws. I almost crashed due to my steering head bearings failing at such a low mileage on my honda. water leak on your 790? tighten those coolant hoses. oil leak? tighten those bolts. known issue and the solutions easy as hell a 10 year old can do them.

[@anthonytownsend4900]

@JinKazama92 Maybe I'm biased because I haven't had a new Jap bike for years. I'm basing my outdated opinion on how reliable they USED to be. Sorry bro.

[@MeMichandaBanger]

have a read on the honda africa twin 1100 pages about the quality of the finish and paint etc @@anthonytownsend4900

[@nikolasharvey]

Great video chops,for reasons unknown my previous comments have been removed?

[@ThePalmatron]

Great review guys!

[@Bartontopside]

I would go for the Suzuki myself... i think the ktm is slightly better looking but the Chinese made thing would push me to the Suzuki. iv heard they are going to be making a 8R !

[@tonyjourneyman1944]

Be interested in your thoughts about the suspension on the 8S. Needed to part with a few $$'s to get the SV to the point where the suspension was good for my 95kg weight. I'm hoping I don't have to do anything with the suspension for the 8S.

[@wizrom3046]

I had a Suzuki SVF650, the suspension on the mid Suzulis is pretty poor. Non adjustable and harsh. Probably better at your 95kg than my 82kg since they make it too hard normally, I think they believe westerners are all fat.

[@KapitanPisoar1]

It’s a budget bike with budget suspension