Lambert W Function (domain, range, approximation, solving equations, derivative & integral)

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Күн бұрын

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@angelmendez-rivera351
@angelmendez-rivera351 3 жыл бұрын
The biggest difficulty with the Lambert W function is that, like the logarithmic function, it becomes multivalued when continued to the complex plane, but unlike with the complex logarithm, the branches complex W multifunction cannot be obtained by simply adding integral multiples of 2·π·i. In fact, the other complex branches of the Lambert W multifunction cannot be computed analytically from the values of the principal branch, unlike with the complex logarithm.
@sabinrawr
@sabinrawr 3 жыл бұрын
I was initially saddened by BPRP's polite decline to do all values for #15, but after your explanation, I'm actually pleased by this decision! Thanks!
@__hannibaalbarca__
@__hannibaalbarca__ 2 жыл бұрын
I ll investigate this branches when I have free times it's interesting.
@drpeyam
@drpeyam 3 жыл бұрын
You’re back!!!!!!! 😍😍😍
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 3 жыл бұрын
I am back from the 🏖
@vladimirkhazinski3725
@vladimirkhazinski3725 3 жыл бұрын
Kiss already!
@banana6108
@banana6108 3 жыл бұрын
@@vladimirkhazinski3725 😑
@ffggddss
@ffggddss 3 жыл бұрын
@@blackpenredpen Is that an umbrella in the sand that you're back from? (I.e., the beach?) Fred
@abhishekprasad6350
@abhishekprasad6350 3 жыл бұрын
3b1b has π creatures. BpRp:Here's my fish.
@colt4667
@colt4667 3 жыл бұрын
BPRP uses a fish. Professor Julio uses a tomato.
@chin6796
@chin6796 3 жыл бұрын
MCU is for math creatures universe
@damianbla4469
@damianbla4469 3 жыл бұрын
32:45 This is why we all love your teaching. This is the method nobody teaches in the universities and nobody else shows on youtube etc. Thank you very much :)
@drekkerscythe4723
@drekkerscythe4723 3 жыл бұрын
The longer the beard, the higher the wisdom
@glegle1016
@glegle1016 3 жыл бұрын
Dude needs to shave. That "beard" looks disgusting
@muhammadusmonyusupov2556
@muhammadusmonyusupov2556 3 жыл бұрын
@@glegle1016 common man. That's not your business
@Kitulous
@Kitulous 3 жыл бұрын
i just broke 69 likes. sorry it's 70 now, couldn't resist
@just_a_dustpan
@just_a_dustpan 3 жыл бұрын
The beard doesn’t make the wisdom. The wisdom makes the beard
@agarykane2127
@agarykane2127 3 жыл бұрын
@@just_a_dustpan you must have a long beard if you say such wisdom
@stevenglowacki8576
@stevenglowacki8576 3 жыл бұрын
I have a master degree in mathematics (although I'm working as an accountant) and watch math youtube videos occasionally, but I never heard of this function before. Very strange. It reminds me of the guy who did the algebra portion of my master's oral exam saying that he had never seen one of the results that I worked on in the analysis portion of the exam (Stone-Weierstrass Theorem). Math is a big field, and there's plenty out there to learn. Sometimes you just never study something that's been studied by other people because you never needed to know it for what you worked on.
@kepler4192
@kepler4192 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks to his videos, I’ve learnt about tetration and lambert W function
@adi8oii
@adi8oii 2 жыл бұрын
I am taking the Calc course at ug level rn, and I am having to learn this method because my calc textbook (Spivak) had a strange question in the very first chapter: solve the inequality x + 3^(x) < 4 (Spivak always asks weird questions lmao). So anyway, after putting it through an online inequality solver I learnt that it requires the Lambert (W) function and here I am...
@roccorossi5396
@roccorossi5396 Жыл бұрын
Me too for x^x =2^64
@spinecho609
@spinecho609 Жыл бұрын
im very surprised it hasnt come up as a physicist, especially since x+e^x kind of forms are so common!
@nesto9889
@nesto9889 11 ай бұрын
you use eulers number in physics? im scared@@spinecho609
@wristdisabledwriter2893
@wristdisabledwriter2893 3 жыл бұрын
Anyone still laughing at his joke “just buy another calculator”
@M-F-H
@M-F-H 3 жыл бұрын
On that token, if your calculator doesn't have an "ln" button, then most likely it also doesn't have an e^x button (neither a ^ button) [any known counter example??] So the (1) is of limited practical beyond the first step of approximation where you can put e¹ = 2.7 ...
@waynewang5773
@waynewang5773 3 жыл бұрын
yea i am lol
@abdomohamed4962
@abdomohamed4962 3 жыл бұрын
wow that was 48 mins ... it passed like 5 mins !!
@jesseolsson1697
@jesseolsson1697 3 жыл бұрын
it's amazing what learning feels like when you have a great teacher in a subject you love
@d3vilman69
@d3vilman69 6 күн бұрын
Among the several Lambert W function videos I have watched, I think yours has the most clarity as you actually listed out the equations that defined the W function. Other videos just spit out W(some number) and call it a day without elaborating what W really is. Now I know W of a number actually produces a real number. Thank you.
@JohnSmith-vd6fc
@JohnSmith-vd6fc 3 жыл бұрын
Your exposition on the Lambert W function has been quite illuminating. I would say it generated at least 100 foot-Lamberts of Luminance. Thanks.
@danielvictoria3814
@danielvictoria3814 3 жыл бұрын
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@helo3827
@helo3827 3 жыл бұрын
YES!!! FINALLY!!!! I am waiting for this for so long!!! Thank you!!
@danielvictoria3814
@danielvictoria3814 3 жыл бұрын
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@girlgaming1993
@girlgaming1993 3 жыл бұрын
W(-pi/2)=W(ln(i)*e^ln(i))=[ln(i)]. Fun math man, thank you for the problem. My friend and I had a lot of fun taking it on.
@user-Loki-young0515
@user-Loki-young0515 2 жыл бұрын
πi/2
@SebastienPatriote
@SebastienPatriote 2 жыл бұрын
I feel so dumb. I thought the question was W(pi/2), not W(-pi/2). So I found +/- ipi/2 for W(-pi/2) but kept searching. I like your solution too!
@aprendiendoC
@aprendiendoC 4 күн бұрын
To the original comment: That is not correct, since -pi/2 is not equal to ln(i)*e^ln(i). This is because ln(i)*e^ln(i) = pi/2 * i, which is not -pi/2
@sharpnova2
@sharpnova2 3 жыл бұрын
i was literally thinking about coding a W function calculator (with Newton's method) the other day i really love your and peyam and penns content so much. makes me want to start a channel myself
@marianopatino939
@marianopatino939 3 жыл бұрын
Me during my high school Calc math class: *on my phone for the whole class* Me during a 48 min math video: *Fully engaged and even pause to do problems myself*
@danielvictoria3814
@danielvictoria3814 3 жыл бұрын
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@prohacker1373
@prohacker1373 3 жыл бұрын
are u allowed to use phone in the class?( i am high school student from india)
@kepler4192
@kepler4192 2 жыл бұрын
@@prohacker1373 I’m pretty sure you shouldn’t be allowed
@jodikirsh
@jodikirsh 2 жыл бұрын
@@prohacker1373 We aren't allowed to, but most kids try to do it secretly.
@a1175779
@a1175779 3 жыл бұрын
Used wolframalpha to simplify a complex equation and it returned with a product log function.... Having no idea what a “product log function” is, this video has been very helpful
@tudor5555
@tudor5555 3 жыл бұрын
Dude you got a talent of teaching ! not only this is explained really well but it's also entertaining. It's a pleasure to learn math from you. Thanks to you, at my calc 2 exam I got 18/20. So many thanks and don't stop because your are saving grades over here !
@nosnibor800
@nosnibor800 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this. I came across this x.e^x function several years ago when modelling multi-access protocols (ALOHA in particular) - and discovered, it is an example of a "one way function" i.e. it has no inverse. I did not know about the W function (I am an Engineer, not a Mathematician). I managed using MathCad to plot the inverse graph, and it demonstrated beautifully the limiting traffic intensity of ALOHA (due to access collisions), which then bends back on itself, from the limit. It is a poor, early, multi-access, protocol developed at the University of Hawaii. So it is not one way. The W function is the inverse. By the way blackpen like the beard.
@VesaKo
@VesaKo 3 жыл бұрын
This was really helpful in understanding Lambert's motives for creating such a function. Thank you!
@eng.giacomodonato8514
@eng.giacomodonato8514 3 жыл бұрын
It's amazing!!!! I'm studying Newton's method now in the course of Numerical Methods for engineering!!!😆😆😆
@abdomohamed4962
@abdomohamed4962 3 жыл бұрын
where are you from ?? .. Im studying it too
@ameer_er2181
@ameer_er2181 2 жыл бұрын
@@abdomohamed4962 من ایرانیم
@alberteinstein3612
@alberteinstein3612 3 жыл бұрын
I needed this, because I’ve never truly known what Lambert W was
@theimmux3034
@theimmux3034 3 жыл бұрын
I did the integral of the Lambert W function by integrating both sides of W(x) = x/e^W(x). Glad to discover I got the right answer this way.
@danielvictoria3814
@danielvictoria3814 3 жыл бұрын
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@Zero-tg4dc
@Zero-tg4dc 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. At 25:00 I ended up getting 2-W(e^2) instead of ln(W(e^2)) and thought I had done something wrong, but it turns out they are the same thing.
@MrMatthewliver
@MrMatthewliver 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the formula for integrating inverse functions :-)
@herculesmachado3008
@herculesmachado3008 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent idea: work with the inverse of the function and observe properties: W (f (x)) = x.
@flamitique7819
@flamitique7819 3 жыл бұрын
I've been looking for videos about the subject for weeks since you talked about it in your videos, and now I have the perfect to understand the w function perfectly! Thank you ao much and keep up the good work, you're the best !
@simonharris3797
@simonharris3797 3 жыл бұрын
Cannot find this in as much detail elsewhere. Thank you
@alexyanci7974
@alexyanci7974 3 жыл бұрын
41:53 - It's a + Great video
@legendarynoob6732
@legendarynoob6732 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so *freaking* much!!!!This was one of the best lectures on your channel.Need more lectures like this. Ah also I know it's late but *Happy New Year*
@darkahmedp
@darkahmedp 2 жыл бұрын
the first is (i(pi))/2.the second is I. Thank you professor
@61rmd1
@61rmd1 3 жыл бұрын
Bravo Mr Bprp, nice and clear video, very understandable...thank you!
@that_one_guy934
@that_one_guy934 Жыл бұрын
5d) Eulers identity (with tau since its more elegant): e^(i [tau] 1/4) = i (1/4 rotation of the complex plane = i) ln(e^x)=x so ln(e^(i [tau] 1/4))= i [tau] 1/4 or just ½pi*i
@kdmq
@kdmq 3 жыл бұрын
Problem 7 alternative: e^x-e^(-x)=1 1/2(e^x-e^(-x))=1/2 sinh x = 1/2 x = arcsinh 1/2 x = 0.481
@Kestrel2357
@Kestrel2357 3 жыл бұрын
Again, you are explaining something what recently grabbed my attention when i was wondering through world of wikipedia math!
@danielvictoria3814
@danielvictoria3814 3 жыл бұрын
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@محمدالنجفي-ظ1ه
@محمدالنجفي-ظ1ه Ай бұрын
Oh god how much i love computing without using calculator thanks so much for this video please make more videos just like this is Just so useful ❤🌹
@gtweak7
@gtweak7 3 жыл бұрын
Videos like these are a treasure, please keep these coming.
@RomainPuech
@RomainPuech 3 жыл бұрын
THE BEST VIDEO OF YOUR CHANNEL Thank you for providing to learners bigger video like this one that don t necessarily make as much views as the other oned because it is less "sexy" yet more complete and useful
@anurag5565
@anurag5565 3 жыл бұрын
ln(i) = i(pi/2) Solved using polar representation of i and Euler's formula. Assumed n = 0, but other values of n will also give other answers. i = 1e^{(i) (2n + 1) (pi/2)} because r = 1 and t = (2n+ 1) pi/2 taking ln(x) on both sides: ln(i) = i(2n+1)(pi/2) It gives us a family of equations.
@MaximQuantum
@MaximQuantum 2 жыл бұрын
I've reached the point in High School where I can actually follow what's going on :D
@ffggddss
@ffggddss 3 жыл бұрын
So at the end, #s 14 & 15 show us that ln(i) = W(-½π) Fred
@abeldiaz1539
@abeldiaz1539 3 жыл бұрын
Couldn't we solve it more easily by using Euler's Formula? I haven't finished watching the video but... e^(i*pi) = -1 ln both sides i*pi = ln(-1) -1 can be expressed as i^2 so the above is the same as i*pi=ln(i^2) Drop the exponent down to multiply with the natural log i*pi=2*ln(i) Flip and divide both sides by 2 and ln(i)=(pi/2)i Similarly using Euler's formula, e^(ipi) =-1 sqrt both sides and express sqrt as a 1/2 exponent and sqrt of -1 as i You have i = e^(ipi/2) Knowing -pi/2 is the same as (pi/2)*(-1) which is the same as (pi/2)*i*i and plugging in that other expression for i gives (pi/2)i*e^(ipi/2), which we see we have the same expression multiplying our e as to what the exponent of e is, so the Lambert W of that expression is just (pi/2)i, which was the same as the ln(i) we saw earlier. There might be an easier way, but that's how I solved it. 😅 EDIT: Just finished watching, and I see my method doesn't account for the additional solutions to ln(i), but my question is for #15) why is it okay for him to not include the "+2npi" to his exponent for e?... Could you have added the expression to the inside of the original W(-pi/2) part or no? 🤔
@ivanzivkovic7572
@ivanzivkovic7572 2 жыл бұрын
@@abeldiaz1539 the line of reasoning you used from the Euler identity doesn't work, logarithm identities that work for real numbers don't work for the complex valued logarithm, you could say -1 is (-1)^2 and get the same result for ln(-1), which would be incorrect bc ln(-1) is (3pi/2 + 2k*pi)*i, k integer Anyway, you can't do the same as he does in 14 in 15 bc the branches of the Lambert W function are not 2k*pi*i apart, if you look at the definition of Lambert W you'll see that it is an inverse of x*e^x, and if you were to add 2k*pi*i to the exponent of e, even though that factor won't change you'd have to add it to the x that multiplies it as well, which means you would get a different result
@assassin01620
@assassin01620 3 жыл бұрын
20:04 e^0 plus e^0 definitely equals one.
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 3 жыл бұрын
Lol! I was thinking I had 2 on the right hand side, just like my next question.
@KjartanAndersen
@KjartanAndersen 3 жыл бұрын
The beard of wisdom :) Absolutely great explanation.
@ikocheratcr
@ikocheratcr 3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic, now I get what W(x) really does and how it works. Very nice explanations. I did not saw this one my subscriptions 5 weeks ago :( , but it is never too late.
@gouharmaquboolnitp
@gouharmaquboolnitp 3 жыл бұрын
I haven't study yet this theory in my school but after watching it's seems like ... .
@helo3827
@helo3827 3 жыл бұрын
When I watch a blackpenredpen video: I don't understand but I feel like I got smarter.
@umeshprajapati7381
@umeshprajapati7381 3 жыл бұрын
Is this function f(x)=(x)^3/2 is differential at x=0
@umeshprajapati7381
@umeshprajapati7381 3 жыл бұрын
Plz sir give solution
@asparkdeity8717
@asparkdeity8717 3 жыл бұрын
@@umeshprajapati7381 0
@lolaharwood619
@lolaharwood619 9 ай бұрын
I'm pretty sure you can use W function on a standard graphing calculator just by graphing y=xe^x and the value you want to take the w function of, i.e I.e 5=6xe^6x => W(5)= W(6xe^6x) W(5)=6x To find W(5): Function W maps y=xe^x Plot y=xe^x Plot y=5 Use (Ints) to find the x for which xe^x = 5 Let x value of intersection = c, c is a constant Then use W(5)= c 6x=c x=c/6 Please correct me if I'm wrong!!
@sueyibaslanli3519
@sueyibaslanli3519 3 жыл бұрын
In Azerbaijan, it is 8:00 and I wake up for my IELTS exercise; however I am watching you albeit all of them are known by me😁
@mista5796
@mista5796 9 ай бұрын
This dude is literally Mr Maths 👌
@pragalbhawasthi1618
@pragalbhawasthi1618 3 жыл бұрын
I love this kind of long videos a lot... And especially when it's by bprp...
@farhansadik5423
@farhansadik5423 Ай бұрын
If there is someone who got a bit confused at 9:55 because he said why we had to take the domain of f to start from one, it's because if the domain was from -inf, then before reaching x=-1 it would have completed every x value till -1/e and after reaching 1 it would again start rising and complete each x value again, meaing the function is not one to one from -inf to 0(0 since the function approaches 0 to left of the graph and we have consider each y value from 0 to -1/e and the to 0 again) and one to one functions are not invertible
@JMCoster
@JMCoster 9 ай бұрын
Very, very good video ! 48 minutes top level
@girlgaming1993
@girlgaming1993 3 жыл бұрын
15:36. Woohoo i solved it (pretty sure) Basically I guessed and got it right. It uses e^(pi*i)=-1. I thought that by square rooting both sides it would give me sqrt(-1) which is i, the goal. (e^(pi*i))^(1/2) multiply the exponents and get e^((pi*i)/2) (which equals i). So, ln(i)=(pi*i)/2
@violintegral
@violintegral 3 жыл бұрын
But it's also equal to i(π/2+2πn) for all integers n.
@78rera
@78rera Жыл бұрын
At the end, we finally know that a man who teach bicycle to that boy is a genius-man...
@panadrame3928
@panadrame3928 2 жыл бұрын
39:28 nooooo it's xe^x - e^x !! thereby you have a false ∫W(x)dx... It'd rather be : xW(x) - (W(x) - 1)e^W(x). Then because W(x)e^W(x) = x we would have : xW(x) - x + e^W(x) , which we can also rewrite as x(W(x) - 1 + 1/W(x)) Pretty cool to see rational fraction X - 1 + 1/X appears here (invariant by X = 1/X)
@panadrame3928
@panadrame3928 2 жыл бұрын
Nvm he corrected the 2 mistakes 😂
@АртемДараган-л1п
@АртемДараган-л1п 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your hard work and good videos ))) o love this function ahahha ))) you are the best math teacher ))
@teo9376
@teo9376 10 күн бұрын
This was one of the most interesting videos I’ve seen in a while. I will have to be back for more. I didn’t really get why we are able to look at only the principle angle for e^x=i for the last problem. I imagine it’s because it could equal any of those angles, so we just pick one that works nicely. So if we had W(-((pi+4)/2)) we would change the negative 1 to ie^((pi+4)/2)i). That is, assuming I didn’t misunderstand things.
@cuboid2630
@cuboid2630 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you blackpenredpen!!! I really needed this lecture!! I just watched over and it's so concise (and better than other lessons lol) :D Thank you so much!!!!!!!!!
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@MrAnonymousfan1
@MrAnonymousfan1 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! The format of comparing natural logs with Lambert functions is very helpful. Could you prepare a similar video with comparing circular trig functions and how they relate to analogous Jacobi elliptic functions as well as inverse trig functions and integrals and how they relate to analogous elliptic integrals?
@madhavjuneja4333
@madhavjuneja4333 3 жыл бұрын
15:40 answer is iπ/2 or to include all values of theta- i(2nπ+-π/2 ∪ nπ+(-1)^nπ/2)
@hunterkorble9134
@hunterkorble9134 2 жыл бұрын
Bro ur always dishing free knowledge
@theimmux3034
@theimmux3034 3 жыл бұрын
W(x) is such a cool piece of math
@einsteingonzalez4336
@einsteingonzalez4336 3 жыл бұрын
So that's the product logarithm... but what's x+xe^x=2? What if we have (1/x + 1)e^x = 2?
@angelmendez-rivera351
@angelmendez-rivera351 3 жыл бұрын
For this, you need a generalization of the Lambert W concept.
@nathanaelmoses7977
@nathanaelmoses7977 3 жыл бұрын
Newton's method? Or you can somehow solve it with w(x)? Idk im terrible at math
@einsteingonzalez4336
@einsteingonzalez4336 3 жыл бұрын
@@nathanaelmoses7977 Newton's method isn't ideal because it gives a numerical answer, and such answers are mostly approximations. Finding the exact inverse helps us get the value quicker.
@angelmendez-rivera351
@angelmendez-rivera351 3 жыл бұрын
@@nathanaelmoses7977 It has been proven that you cannot solve equations of the form (a·x + b)·e^x = c·x using the Lambert function unless b = 0. This is why you need a generalization of the concept. There is one publication I once saw regarding a generalization that reminded me of the hypergeometric functions, essentially defining a function that is used to solve the equation e^(c·x) = a·[x - p(1)]·•••·[x - p(n)]/([x - q(1)]·•••·[x - q(m)]), although I do not remember if the publication was peer-reviewed. Once I find it again, I will link it here.
@nathanaelmoses7977
@nathanaelmoses7977 3 жыл бұрын
@@angelmendez-rivera351 Interesting
@albertogarcia4177
@albertogarcia4177 Жыл бұрын
In 46:25 W(-π/2) has not sense cause the domain of this W branch (the main branch) is [-1/e, infinite) and we have -π/2
@ausaramun
@ausaramun 3 жыл бұрын
I think that ln(i)=iπ/2 and W(-π/2)=iπ/2. For ln(i), we can rewrite the i in terms of e by using Euler’s formula, which will be e^{iθ}=cos(θ)+isin(θ), and we want it to be i. So the angle θ that corresponds to that is π/2, giving us cos(π/2)+isin(π/2), which equals i. Therefore, we can rewrite ln(i) as ln(e^i(π/2)) which equals iπ/2. For W(-π/2), we can again use the fact the e^i(π/2)=i so we can define that (iπ/2)·e^{iπ/2}=i^{2}·π/2, and i^{2} equals -1, thus giving us -π/2. So it would make sense that W(-π/2)=iπ/2.
@angelmendez-rivera351
@angelmendez-rivera351 3 жыл бұрын
Yes.
@joaidane
@joaidane Жыл бұрын
also -iπ/2 since -iπ/2·e^{-iπ/2} = (-iπ/2)/e^{iπ/2} = (-iπ/2)/i > -π/2 (cancelling i's directly or multiplying -iπ/2)/i top & bottom by i ) weird that i·i = -1 but i/i = 1 ! Late to the party, but interesting none the less :)
@raviolivii2719
@raviolivii2719 Жыл бұрын
Bit late, but here are my solutions to finding ln(i) and W(-π/2) ln(i): i = e^(iπ/2), ln(e^(iπ/2)) -> iπ/2 W(-π/2): Recall that ln(i) = iπ/2, we can rewrite -π/2 as ln(i)*e^ln(i), cancels to get (iπ/2)*i = -π/2 so W(ln(i)*e^ln(i)) is just ln(i)
@joseluisrosales4104
@joseluisrosales4104 3 жыл бұрын
Ln (x/h) = Sqrt (x/h)-Sqrt (h/x) when x~h. Now consider x e^x=2. Ln (x)+x=Ln (2) and h=1 to approx Sqrt (x)- Sqrt (1/x)+×=Ln (2) or {(x-1)/(Ln (2)-x)}^2=x. And solve it as a qubic equation.
@axelgiovanelli8401
@axelgiovanelli8401 2 жыл бұрын
Legendary!!! Salute you from Argentina
@MathNotationsVids
@MathNotationsVids 3 жыл бұрын
Outstanding content and presentation. I really enjoy your videos!
@chriswinchell1570
@chriswinchell1570 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Dr., Have you seen Dr. Peyam’s recent video on time shifted DE? He solved it for one particular shift but to do it in general requires the Lambert W function.
@drpeyam
@drpeyam 3 жыл бұрын
Good point!!!
@archivewarrior8535
@archivewarrior8535 2 жыл бұрын
35:17 he really just makes a dashed line like it’s nothing. I’ve never seen that
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks lol. You should see Professor Walter Lewin tho!
@MrHK1636
@MrHK1636 3 жыл бұрын
We define W(x) being the inverse of xe^x and ln(x) being the inverse of e^x. What if we also define W2(x) being the inverse of x×2^x as log2(x) is for 2^x We can extend this even further: W_y (x) is the inverse of x×y^x in 2021
@bernardovitiello
@bernardovitiello 3 жыл бұрын
We definitely could, and that would probably be a good idea, but you can represent every other W_y using W on the base e (much like one can do with logarithms) W_y(x)*y^W_y(x)=x We can change the base of the first exponent using logarithms So W_y(x)*e^ln(y)*W_y(x)=x Now to apply W we must make sure the coefficient and the exponent are the same, which can be achieved by multiplying both sides by ln(y) ln(y)*W_y(x)*e^ln(y)*W_y(x)=ln(y)*x Finally W(x) is appliable so W(ln(y)*W_y(x)*e^ln(y)*W_y(x))=W(ln(y)*x) ln(y)*W_y(x)=W(ln(y)*x) W_y(x)=W(ln(y)*x)/ln(y)
@angelmendez-rivera351
@angelmendez-rivera351 3 жыл бұрын
You totally can do that, but doing this is relatively pointless, and there is no good incentive for it. The reason we even still talk about logarithms in other bases is because the binary logarithm has very important applications in computing, and the decimal logarithm in engineering, as well as the fact that logarithms with different bases are basically historical relics. These things do not hold for the W(x), as the study of this function in rigorous detail is a lot more modern, and there are virtually no applications to using an analogue of this in a different base.
@SidneiMV
@SidneiMV 8 ай бұрын
*e^[W(x)] = x/W(x)* wow! *how useful* it is!!
@UpstartRain
@UpstartRain 2 жыл бұрын
This was just recommended to me after I watched your (sinx)^sinx video. Perfect timing! Are there properties of the lambert W function that are analogous to addition and product rule for logs?
@hunterhare7647
@hunterhare7647 Жыл бұрын
I think there's a "change of base" formula for the Lambert W function: e.g. x * n^x = y. In this case, the solution is W(y * ln(n))/ln(n).
@hsh7677
@hsh7677 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much. I really enjoyed this!!
@danielvictoria3814
@danielvictoria3814 3 жыл бұрын
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@gorilaylagorila2540
@gorilaylagorila2540 3 жыл бұрын
Wow great video! I learned a lot, thank you!
@danielvictoria3814
@danielvictoria3814 3 жыл бұрын
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@pratham_4355
@pratham_4355 2 жыл бұрын
18:42 ln(i) =(π/2)•i W(-π/2) = (π/2)•i
@ДмитрийОрлов-б9г
@ДмитрийОрлов-б9г Жыл бұрын
You cheeky little blighter!) Love all ur content, especially about imaginary equations like cos(x)=2 etc. Peace!!!!!
@NonTwinBrothers
@NonTwinBrothers 3 жыл бұрын
This one's for the books. The bprp epic
@Casey-Jones
@Casey-Jones 3 жыл бұрын
wow ...... extreme hard core stuff
@ARKGAMING
@ARKGAMING 3 жыл бұрын
42:03 I'm sure other people noticed it but it should be ... +e^w(x) +c and not ... -e^w(x) +c
@absxn
@absxn 3 жыл бұрын
yup lol
@saumyakathuria5594
@saumyakathuria5594 3 жыл бұрын
A lecture on use of dummy variable in Combinatorics pls
@Hjerpower
@Hjerpower 3 жыл бұрын
22:40 x+e^x=2 e^x=2-x e^-x=1/(2-x) e^2*e^-x=e^2/(2-x) e^(2-x)=e^2/(2-x) (2-x)e^(2-x)=e^2 2-x=W(e^2) x=2-W(e^2) Numerically they are the same answer
@danielvictoria3814
@danielvictoria3814 3 жыл бұрын
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@_Blazing_Inferno_
@_Blazing_Inferno_ 3 жыл бұрын
This is the answer I got as well. I find it quite interesting that W(e^2) has the property such that ln(W(e^2)) = 2 - W(e^2).
@jiaweigong3411
@jiaweigong3411 Жыл бұрын
Every engaging; excellent work!
@pierre7770
@pierre7770 2 жыл бұрын
Really good video, beautifully put together. Thank you !!
@cubicinfinity2
@cubicinfinity2 2 жыл бұрын
I think BPRP's success has something to do with the fact that he's younger and more relatable than your calculus instructor. He also does a lot of responses to "how do you integrate this thing, lol" (it's youtube). And because it's youtube, it's not him talking to "students" it's "ladies and gentlemen". He's also more relaxed and it's not always "with respect to 'u'", but "in the 'u' world".
@cubicinfinity2
@cubicinfinity2 2 жыл бұрын
also that cheeky smile.
@Xnoob545
@Xnoob545 3 жыл бұрын
19:35 brb
@Reallycoolguy1369
@Reallycoolguy1369 2 жыл бұрын
I love everything you have done with the lambert W function and I have been teaching my students and colleagues how to use it! It has made it where I can solve almost any transcendental function equation... but what about something like (e^x)*(log(x,e))=15? Where x is both the exponent of the natural exponential and the BASE of the logarithm... now the the x's are 2 "levels" apart instead of 1 "level" like with the Lambert W function.
@walexandre9452
@walexandre9452 2 жыл бұрын
I think this exercise cannot be solved by the Lambert W function. Some exercises having 2 "levels" can be solved... but not this one.
@brucefrizzell4221
@brucefrizzell4221 8 ай бұрын
Retired computer geek learning NEW math for FUN . Just joined.
@aspectator3680
@aspectator3680 2 жыл бұрын
There is a mistake in 39:42 F(x)=xe^x-e^x
@jschnei3
@jschnei3 3 жыл бұрын
I am in love with this video
@hasanjakir360
@hasanjakir360 10 ай бұрын
at 5:40 "it will work, because I did it already" had me laughing.
@yibozhao4510
@yibozhao4510 3 жыл бұрын
Use Euler's formula e^(i*pi) = -1 can also solve 'ln(i)' and I think it's easier.
@lietpi
@lietpi 2 жыл бұрын
Loved every second of the video!
@Mr_Mundee
@Mr_Mundee 2 жыл бұрын
for number 7, you could've just realized that e^x - e^-x was just 2*sinh(x) so the equation would've become 2sinh(x)=1 and so x would be arcsinh(1/2)
@jackhandma1011
@jackhandma1011 3 жыл бұрын
36:42 he put plus C like it's a natural reflex. Nice.
@joseph_newt0n
@joseph_newt0n 7 ай бұрын
15:39 ln(i) = iπ/2
@ginopaperino2608
@ginopaperino2608 3 ай бұрын
in the 8th problem i think we could divide everithing by e^x so we had xe^(x)+1=2*e^(-x) then we can move the 2 to the left side and the 1 to the right side so (x-2)*e^(-x)=-1 then we can multiply by -e^2 now we have that (2-x)*e^(2-x)=e^2 from that we can find that x=2-W(e^2). I hope it's right and pls forgive my bad english!
@MuhammadyusufK
@MuhammadyusufK 3 жыл бұрын
of course 13:07
@SimonPetrikovv
@SimonPetrikovv 3 жыл бұрын
In the equation x+e^x = 2, I went this way: 1 = (2-x)e^(-x) => e^2 = (2-x)e^(2-x), since xe^x is defined for [-1,+infty) (to use W), then we'd need 2-x >= 1 which means x1 won't have any solutions since x+e^x > 1 + e (since e^x is strictly increasing) and since e>1, then x+e^x > 2, right?
@shikshokio1
@shikshokio1 Ай бұрын
Great explanation, thank you!
@curtiswfranks
@curtiswfranks 3 жыл бұрын
The W(x e^x) notation may seem weird, but that is because we do not do polynomial notation well. In this case, though, we do have some recourse: W = (id • exp)^(-1).
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