Land Cruiser 300 Series vs Patrol vs Defender 2022 comparison review: Off-road, towing, on-road!

[@carsguide]

NOTE: This video was published before Nissan Australia changed its servicing intervals. In the Ownership section of the video, we state the service intervals are six months/10,000km. As of early 2022, these have been changed to 12 months/10,000km.

[@hantusmostert]

Ineos Grenadier

[@rob5852]

Have to agree, the Defender is a really great on road and off road package that makes the alternatives look quite pedestrian

[@rob5852]

@Kangh88 20,000kms towing hasn't missed a beat, unlike the Prado I drive for work!

[@rob5852]

@Kangh88 kzbin.info/www/bejne/p3vTiX6wfqalqJI

[@joewhite8079]

​@@Kangh88not to even mention resale value which Toyota is by far thr best at.

[@karlrushton8514]

I have a defender 110 D300 HSE I get asked about it everywhere I go. I tow 3,500kg boat no sweat. It is a great car I have had 5 Land Rover products and never had major issues. The new defender is a cracking car and has so many useful features. It’s the Swiss Army knife of factory stock 4x4. Don’t knock it till you drive one. I did back to back with land cruiser and it was a massive difference.

[@nicholascohen852]

I second that. I have exactly the same vehicle and it continues to surprise me. I love it!

[@TheBremse]

Agree. I have done 10,000km in 6 months. 1000km or more of mixed hard and light off road, the rest about half highway and city driving, plus about 2500km of that was towing (not heavy though) and it’s been faultless. Amazingly capable car.

[@MrMhtcn]

I have my D300 SE 110 for 5 months now, can 't be happier. I test drove Disco 5, LC200 and LD D250 back to back, then settled down with LD, picked the higher power vesion just to put icing on the cake. Never had issue so far. In terms of rebliabilty , hay , who cares about the reliability if you sit in a tractor and hate it every day?😂

[@philipsteer1115]

Good detailed comment. I really want a new Defender!

[@markcottierkw950]

Love the Defender,,, But,,,, take it off roading and get a stick through the airbag and you're in a lot of trouble!!

[@aussieoffroadnut1109]

The Patrol comes with a rear Diff Lock also, not mentioned. You can also speed up the closing speed of the Patrol rear door. I would have liked to see some overtaking with and without the caravan attached as you would see the Patrol beat the others easily. You can also turn on the 360 degree cameras on the Patrol when offroad. On road in the Patrol you can select sand mode for sharper and more aggressive gear changes.

[@عليالامير-ن5ح4ض]

Could you please help me with regard to how to speed up the closing speed of Patrol rear door ?. I've y62 2017 model

[@DesiCoupleDownUnder]

@@عليالامير-ن5ح4ض I think double tap the button and it would do the job

[@granthenderson687]

Yep absolutely agree to all your points , I just purchased the TL-I Nissan over anything else due to V8 Power which the Nissan motor is far superior than other other Vehicles in its class ,also Isn't strange how a lot of this type of content they always quick to say its thirsty , They obviously don't own one , if you drive it sensibly its just as good as the other two

[@declanpower2924]

​@granthenderson687 I have spoken to many owners and they do acknowledge it likes a drink around town and uses more than the LC towing but the gap varies with conditions. The Patrol has much better perforce though But the gap of about $40k to a similarly equipped LC buys a lot of fuel. Please note the towing fuel consumption here - the Patrol was noticeably thirstier than the other two. And I am a fan of the Patrol. But would probably buy the Defender, having had a Discovery some time ago and loved it. Great vehicle.

[@martythomas599]

Have a Defender D300 and tow 2900 kg caravan, it's absolutely awesome, we use it off road and it's a daily drive. Give it time before all you bag it. It might surprise.

[@danhiggins8733]

Do you use a weight distribution hitch with that caravan?

[@martythomas599]

@@danhiggins8733 Hi Dan. No we don't use a weight distribution hitch and it's no recommended with air suspension, you car maybe on coils? Hope that helps MARTY

[@paulbarry1044]

After 20yrs of Land Rovers,i would go the 300 all day.

[@doscwolny2221]

Having owned a 60 series land cruiser and a 96 defender for reliability alone I would go......... the defender. Toyota fans only recognise their wins not what they spend, they are just like gamblers. 15 yrs of ownership and not one problem.

[@gadgetphilosophy8290]

I find it strange that you’ve had Landrovers for twenty years and now you decide it’s Landcruiser time. If the Landrovers are so bad why have them for 20 years ? Did something happen recently that changed your mind ?

[@gadgetphilosophy8290]

I find it strange that you’ve had Landrovers for twenty years and now you decide it’s Landcruiser time. If the Landrovers are so bad why have them for 20 years ? Did something happen recently that changed your mind ?

[@judd7699]

@@doscwolny2221 thank god for the land cruisers resale value.. paid $100k for a 2015 Sahara and will get $80k min on changeover in the coming weeks 🍺🎉🎉

[@joshuaspeedy4780]

It really sucks that Nissan doesn’t bring the newer interior from overseas it would really make it a much better buy

[@jf9866]

Yeah I agree I have no idea why they didn't give a shot when it came to Australia.

[@gadgetphilosophy8290]

Yep. Totally agree. The Nissan with the updated dash would be spot on.

[@jonlosito2004]

That’s weird.. in North America, the 2021 Armada which is the same vehicle has an updated interior and the Patrol doesn’t. Weird.

[@WorkLivePlay]

Yeah it's annoying only LHD models on got the interior update. It's a major let down. With supply issues it's unlikely Nissan will ever update for our market now as they are now able to get an extra $15k-20k with people happy to wait even with the old dash...

[@Denvereast]

just bought a 2022 Nissan armada-us/patrol Australia, I'm from USA I agree with these commits I wish Nissan would release the updated version in Australia is so nice. It would be great if USA would do a pro4-x version in the USA which would be a patrol (crawl control, locking diff, etc) in Australia.

[@misterbangbang5037]

Toyota Land Cruiser is major suv in my country and we all call it as Super King on/offroad suv! 👍🔥

[@EpicCrust]

Battle tested in Iraq as well 😂

[@deryckfisher9554]

Having owned 3 Land Rovers previously with absolutely zero reliability issues, I had no hesitation in ordering the D300 SE in December. Hopefully she take delivery towards the end of July.

[@MrArash1381]

Nice! Deryck, can I please ask you where did you order it from (which dealer)? I approached two dealers in Brisbane and they both told me that not all the options that I want to have will be available and it will take 12 ti 14 months for the delivery!!!!!!

[@junnan]

@Logical Perspective right!!!

[@philipsteer1115]

I've had a few Land Rovers over the years (and still have most of them!), and they have all been incredibly reliable and high performing. I can't see myself going with anything else. New Defender for me.

[@WillyMesserschmitt1]

How much did LR paid you?

[@declanpower2924]

​@@WillyMesserschmitt1 Silly comment!

[@rkmckenna]

I have a y62 and despite the good reviews on the gearbox by other commentators, it's not that great, doesn't make the best decisions, but it's reliable from what I hear. The engine loves to rev out, it's not the right fit for the car, it should be more low end torquey and less peaky, but the engine is off the shelf not purposed designed like the others. When you put your foot down, the gearbox will slam down a few cogs and the engine will rev out hard. I'd prefer some middle ground where it'll hold the same gear and load up. I suppose the gearbox doesn't want to put all that power through a tall ratio. (Unlike my pervious car with a ZF gearbox that was awesome but would prefer to blow itself up then ruin your driving experience) I do enjoy the pure shock on other motorists faces when I smoke them easily. Priceless The y62 is massive. Plenty of space for your junk if that’s your thing. You need to airbag the rear springs for towing. Out of the showroom it dives just fine, don’t let the review put you off. It’s just big in the urban landscape. It doesn’t wallow around, corners with confidence. The cabin is quiet for touring, just don’t buy a rhino rack. No seriously don’t. The car is fantastic offroad. It’s no bull out of the showroom and easily handles bigger rubber if you want to make it better. You’re getting a bigger car, but it’s an older design. It’s never going to be as refined as a landrover, but it’ll be on road for longer. It will do what the LC will do, just not as modern. The interior is ugly af on the y62. You can get the woodgrain blacked out. The y62 engine, gearbox and car are all proven to be reliable with no gimmicks. The other two, well, the jury isn’t out yet. You’re buying into some unproven tech with the hot V etc. The Nissan’s price is way more competitive than the other two, if you weigh that into the story and you need the space than the y62 is probably a good idea.

[@error404blah]

Maybe you should change out the gearbox fluids. I've read from other y62 owners that despite Nissan saying it uses a fluid that never needs changing, doing so improved the performance drastically. I'd say it's worth a try, you have nothing to lose.

[@rkmckenna]

@@error404blah interesting 🤔 I've only done 22k in mine.. reckon swap it?

[@error404blah]

@@rkmckenna I'd absolutely do it if I were you. Again, you have nothing to lose. Plus, most wear and tear comes from the initial break-in period, just like an engine. So if there would ever be tiny metal shavings in the oil causing problems, it would be now. That's where I reckon most of the trouble comes. Then every 50k kilometers, and you'll be golden. Lifetime oils are a scam, it just doesn't make sense from a mechanical standpoint.

[@skay134]

Toyota all day long. If reliability wasn't an issue with the defender I would say that would be the dream car. But the Toyota land cruiser would my option for two simple reasons, reliability and accessibility for parts. Great job, great review video.

[@royjohnson465]

From past record, the Toyota Land Cruiser has the best reliability. The Toyota Land Cruiser is the first choice for farmers, government, mining companies, and gold prospectors in Australia.

[@richardzedman1160]

Yeh well you may want to re evaluate that claim toyota are having big problems with its new hot v6 its going though oil like a drunken sailor

[@raghavshankara5601]

How you know defender deliberately is bad?? Yes LR had bad reliability under ford engineering but that is not the case now.

[@fourbysolo]

My 2021 110 has done 40k and hasn't skipped a beat. So much for reliability issues.

[@karl4834]

​@@raghavshankara5601 Oh, ok. How about this bloke kzbin.info/www/bejne/oJCZlIl9jcx-gKc&ab_channel=NextLevelOZBigLapGapYear And if that's not enough, it won't take long for you to find a litany of similar experiences.

[@jerryfrench2981]

Being a Land Rover man myself. My last 3 cars were Discovery 2, Discovery 3 & Range Rover Sport. Never had a problem with Land Rover reliability. However, being nearly 60 now & thinking this may well be the last new expensive 4WD I can buy with retirement in mind I bought the Landcruiser 300 Sahara. I'm keeping the sport as well as what I was offered for trade I considered an insult. :)

[@hege750]

Great review! If you want maximum control when moving inch-by-inch in the Defender, select the Rock Crawl program instead of Auto.

[@mattw1406]

Precisely. The whole point of the modes is to set the car up in the optimal way for the conditions. So if you need to go super slow and controlled over rocks….. select rock crawl. The modes directly impact how your inputs translate into the way the car responds.

[@robhollonds5500]

As an owner of 4 Discos from new, never has a major issue. I've ordered a D300 SE 110 Defender. Reliability not an issue. And if an issue, 5 year warranty and will be offered a super nice drive by dealer in the unfortunate event you're off the road.

[@lunamaria1048]

I leased a Defender and had many issues in one year.. I have owned 2 Range Rover Autobiographies and neither were very reliable lol, however those being my first vehicles, I didn't know any better.. I leased a Disco 2 years ago and returned it because of a repeat issue.... I guess I just have bad luck lol

[@sjb2471]

@@lunamaria1048 anecdotally, people will always have varying experiences, but it is fact that JLR frequently score very poorly in reliability surveys from all over the world.

[@greghinten6718]

@@lunamaria1048 My current Disco 4 has 142,000kms on the clock & has towed a 3 ton caravan around Australia twice. Apart from routine annual (26,000km) servicing, there has not been a spanner anywhere near it!

[@memechannel5915]

i own lc 200 2020 gxr full option .. and i am happy with it just has a different feeling on road ... its an addiction to drive once u buy

[@calebjamiesonjamieson9707]

As someone with 4 kids. The Patrol has been top of my list for a long time. Simply because of the size. As a vehicle overall… the defender has my heart with the cruiser an expensive close 3rd that I wouldn’t consider anything less than the GXL as far as features on offer…

[@ben7020]

I'd go for the Patrol :)

[@joeop5104]

Love the Patrol Patrol all day every day

[@nebiliac79]

💪👍

[@russelldeller8866]

Patrol all the way. Why is it when 'safety' is so important no one is providing a breaking test at 100km per hour to show stopping distance comparisons. RACV used to do this at 80km per hour

[@dougdownunder5622]

Crash (break) test? Brake test would be helpful.

[@simonv8868]

It's amazing how good the Patrols are given its a 10 year old platform it still stacks up or outperforms it's new rivals

[@jean-louishamid5285]

If I were Nissan, I would bring the new interior this year or in 2023 to generate another wave of sales without developing a new model.

[@sic22l]

Stacks up or ourperform by being the worst at everything except engine sound?

[@brookesnuts]

@@jean-louishamid5285 They did in the US in the Armada which is a Patrol not sure why they haven't updated the Aussie model

[@carholic-sz3qv]

Loll.... the patrol is seriously outdated compared to those vehicles and nissan is selling them cheap because of it. It seriously needs an update tbh. Also no diesel engine wtf!

[@ameetnarayan9219]

Or partner up with Harrop and drop their super charger in.... patiently waiting for the warranty to run out, gives me time to save up for that supercharger. Plenty of interior upgrades available for the Patrol, just did mine with Android auto/Carplay. Next will be the digital cluster. Tossing between Lanmodo and Carobotor. Even with all these little upgrades, you're still not forking out as much money as top of the line LC300

[@WorkLivePlay]

We are looking to update our Pajero which has been fantastic. When you start looking at longer term ownership Y62 is still a very strong contender. I'm with the other comments in that it's frustrating RHD models of the Patrol don't get the updated interior. Mechanically and performance wise it's such a solid option no turnos, no high pressure diesel, dpfs etc to worry about.

[@stardustbilermam1736]

but it needs a diesel. especially when you remember diesel is not cheaper than petrol

[@australianidoma]

We came off the the pajero, moved to the defender +

[@Notsofatamerican]

Only thing to worry about is the massive fuel bill. I would rather worry about the “high pressure” diesels and have loads of cash to splash out.

[@Hunter45637]

​@Notsofatamerican that's a myth

[@jerryparker4484]

Hilarious that so many people are claiming that Land Rover air suspension is unreliable and so you should go for the ancient cart springs on the Land Cruiser, when the LR air suspension compressors are made in Japan….. So basically, the most unreliable part of the British car is Japanese, but you should buy Japanese cars to ensure reliability? Nope, maybe to buy old tech and 1990s driving feel…

[@worldshowcase2580]

Defender all time. Have owned in 2009 model. Fully satisfied, will be upgrading soon to new #Defender110. ;] happy Land Rover

[@gpb3762]

Surprising that even the Philippine market got the better Patrol with the newer interior.

[@sjb2471]

Not really surprising at all; they’re a left hand drive market.

[@gpb3762]

@@sjb2471 oh that makes sense. I guess Nissan just doesn't sell enough RHD Patrols?

[@jibivthomas1443]

Land Cruiser' entry is amazing 🤩

[@simbayihamaundu3552]

Land Cruiser is my winner simply because it will out leave the other two. It's known for its durability and less maintenance cost that the other two.

[@Hamidkhan193-s]

Not the new one

[@richard4136]

The worst reliability will be the Land Rover and no doubt there air suspension will have issues. That leaves two Japanese vehicles and one is ridiculously over priced. Yep the y62 Nissan it is hands down!!

[@jean-louishamid5285]

Hands down. Interior space and on-road confort matter a lot.

[@zelenizub2036]

Nissan all the way, 5.6 is the beast.

[@Ahad82Ali]

How abt resale? Which one?

[@jean-louishamid5285]

@@Ahad82Ali Do you live in Australia?

[@richard4136]

@@jean-louishamid5285 yes I do. And yes we pay to much for all of them.

[@rsoul7282]

All of these have their appeal. The Patrol to those who value comfort or have families, the 300 series in this grade for those who don’t mind getting the vehicle dirty, and lastly the Defender appeals to tow truck drivers and service departments, who will get to hand out lovely repair bills to the suckers that buy them.

[@jonnyblinkz4144]

Off-roading with the platinum version of the patrol will give you less approach and departure angle. Not fair comparing with base models. I’ll chose the patrol anyway, it’s solid and the petrol engine is very good.

[@lunamaria1048]

Opinion, much? Lol

[@nebiliac79]

Johnny, you are right!!!💪

[@simonng2077]

Chose the Defender. Great review of three impressive vehicles.

[@TheOverlandLegend]

That Defender is unbelievably well rounded.

[@lachlanmaple4868]

Looks like the Defender was the clear winner!

[@philipsteer1115]

Agree, yes, very clearly.

[@aresu6976]

Based from your video, you said that patrol's interior is "dated" right? Well in the Middle East, it is not. The top specification of the Nissan Patrol here is called LE Platinum (if I'm not mistaken). Difference is, they changed the rims, and the interior is on the latest tech so buying one here in the Middle East is worth it than in other countries. There is Nissan Patrol SE, LE, and XE as well. Titanium and Platinum. They recently changed the styling of its grill, Nissan Patrol 2022. So honestly, Nissan Patrol wins based in interior, exterior, and as well as it's power. This is also for the Toyota Land Cruiser, that is not the top specification of the one in the video, there are different versions of the LC. Overall, nice video!

[@joeop5104]

Is sad how we don't get the overseas spec in the Patrol, I've reached out to Nissan happy to pay the difference, why can't they give people a choice of ordering a new car. Not fair

[@TheBremse]

Yeah but then they have the base spec LR there. So based on your illogical assumptions then the LR in top spec is still the winner. It has far better interior and tech spec than the Nissan and Toyota.

[@aresu6976]

@@TheBremse Late reply but, I disagree on this. You do you, if you think the other one is better than the other then go ahead. I'll stick with what I said about the Patrol. Stay safe Robert.

[@TheBremse]

@@aresu6976 Sure, you do you, but I will stick with an evidence based approach, even in the middle east it is still dated compared to everything else on the market.

[@beaviccoon470]

Looks like land rover did some fine tuning with the new defender as to me it looks like it is better off road than earlier versions of this car which is nice to see.

[@reececulver3606]

Problem with this kind of vehicle, is you can only use them during that first 5 years. Then you start to worry about longevity of components. Repairs are complex and expensive, so for remote travel, I'd definitely stay clear. But for day trips, would be fun!

[@Robert-cu9bm]

@@reececulver3606 Remote travel I'd go a old 4x4 or a landcruiser, as they have the biggest repair network.

[@cyclemoto8744]

@@reececulver3606 spot on and these type of reviews never take longevity into consideration. There's a reason most owners sell their LRs once warranty ends...

[@noobsoff-road]

@@reececulver3606 You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about mate. My P38 4.6 HSE Range Rover is 26 years old and still a fantastic car on and off road and my 2003 L322 is absolutely amazing both on and off road. Repairs to the P38's are not complex and expensive, especially if they are serviced correctly. The L322 is a bit more "sensitive" but with regular servicing and maintenance are still a fantastic vehicle. I've taken all my Land Rovers, RR's and Discoverys, except the L322, out into the Australian bush with no problems.

[@reececulver3606]

@@noobsoff-road for one. I was talking about the newer vehicles. Secondly, parts and repair experience is limited in remote areas. So rinse the sand out of your lady parts and relax lol

[@reececulver3606]

Patrol for sure. Better economy than most want to admit, especially during towing compared to others. Plus sooo much cheaper to purchase and service. You'd have to keep your diesel for a long time to recover those costs.

[@عليالامير-ن5ح4ض]

I'd go for the patrol. More space, comfortabe on road, convenient for travel and of course for off road. Main issues are with fuel consuption while in city or sand and departure angles. I hope it will be solved with the next generation

[@tigernature7020]

What Arabic country are you from? And is the patrol over there is used for intense off roading as y60 and y61, or just for city drive and light off roading?

[@abdulrhmanalazmi1259]

@@tigernature7020 I have a stander patrol 2018 with v6 engine which is the vq40 and i can tell you the lesser specs are more capable off road than the higher end the 18 inch tires with larger approach angle help it off road also the you don`t need too much power for off road u need tourq which honestly all you need

[@and7976]

@@tigernature7020 the Nissan patrol will always overheat when driving in hot sand.

[@turkkiq]

@@and7976 No, it is not. Y62 temp. gauge is accurate while gauge in some others is programmed not to move even when it starts overheating to certain point. By the way, serch for the new 300 L.C and overheating issue.

[@and7976]

@@turkkiq I don't like the 300 but I can't find videos on the overheating issue. I saw one video where the guy tested it in the summer dunes and it didn't overheat.

[@einfelder8262]

The service intervals on the Patrol and Cruiser are ridiculous. 15,000k 12 months with today's oils is well and truly adequate. If you have "severe use" on any of the three the interval rightly should reduce to suit. Unfortunately with the Defender you will need the dealer more often than the service interval will tell you, because so many things will go wrong. Plenty of worldwide experience on this already.

[@peterfitzsimmons1352]

As a Land Rover owner I knew it would out perform the other two. Think I'll be cleaning my D4 up and upgrading to the new defender. great video

[@philipsteer1115]

Agree. I love my old Defender, so it is staying, but I think we will be trading my wife's vehicle in for a new Defender very soon.

[@Tenex007]

I have driven the Range Rover Sport Autobiography as well as Infinity QX80 (the latest version that was available in Australia) and still have both of them, honestly the best value for money is the Nissan Patrol, followed by the Range Rover Defender. I wouldn't touch the Toyota unless if it was a lot cheaper.

[@russelldeller8866]

Why is when "safety" is so important no one does a breaking comparison test at the 100km per hour showing the distance to stop so we understand how safe they are in the market place? RACV used to do this at 80km per hour

[@madmick3794]

Strange that this review is in direct disagreement to almost all independent reviews.

[@ricr.4669]

Nissan is great but needs to do better marketing

[@anthonyinglis4078]

The Defender, so much better looking than the other two inside and out and very capable on and off road. A superb reimagining of the iconic Defender.

[@nnoddy8161]

Just incredibly unreliable and depreciates like a stone.

[@jerrymyahzcat]

Those aren’t halogen interior lights in the LC300. Try, incandescent. Odd to say the LR has AWD but say the LC has 4WD. They both have permanent 4WD or AWD if you prefer.

[@Robert-cu9bm]

AWD have no low range

[@jerrymyahzcat]

@@Robert-cu9bmYour comment is incorrect. There are AWD vehicles with Low Range. Defender and Discovery are 2 such examples. There was a Subaru I believe in the past with a low range also which was an AWD. The use of terms like AWD and 4WD anyway often are not really useful. An AWD vehicle could be a 6x6 for example where the vehicle has 6 wheels and 6 are driven. However a 4WD could be a 6x4 where the vehicle has 6 wheels and 4 are driven. 4WD just means a vehicle has 4 driven wheels out of any total number whereas an AWD just means all where’s are driven no matter how many (a 2WD motorcycle with an electric motor in each hub is an AWD). Hence my original comment - just call them both permanent 4WD vehicles (or both AWD if you prefer).

[@naashuman5503]

Fact that the Defender is a Unibody vehicle is the deal breaker for me. The door rubbers, trunk door and plastic elements in the cabin starts creacking over uneven terrain. Talking from experience it's definitely NOT as rigid as the Body-on-Frame vehicles. Nor will it be as reliable nor keep its value as the LC300 does. So I cannot agree with you testers verdict at all.

[@cameronmurray3039]

Funny when the guys over at CarExpert tested the LC300 GR, the panel gaps were horrendous and it started making strange knocking noises. I know a few people with new defenders and none have had issues with any of the stuff you mentioned, nor have I seen anyone report these issues as I'm in a defender owners group.

[@naashuman5503]

@@cameronmurray3039 Dear friend of mine does have these 'issues' and I did a 3000km trip with him * South Africa 🇿🇦 I am truly disappointed with the front bumper fit and bad paint finish on that GR 😢 it's TOTALLY unacceptable! I watched the video 👍🏻

[@framex.jpg165]

@@naashuman5503 I guess he told that it was a media car and many others have done offroading with that car before CarExpert got it for the review. Maybe that's the reason for that gap in Bumper. And I couldn't find any strange noises from the car during the offroad test video of him.

[@GRcorolla-bt3mn]

@@framex.jpg165 exactly, neither did he mention about it. The gap in the bumper would have been because of the overhang which would have hit multiple rocks and boulders.

[@Amandla-Awethu]

Coming from an old Defender, the door rubbers, knocks and creaks are part of the experience. That was a body on frame. I’m sure the new Defender will sound like a Rolls by comparison.

[@dhanushkakalubowila4334]

I do believe defender has big improment and fun to drive. Also very quite Diesel engine in the market now.

[@meraboy8322]

Patrol top-spec, LC 300 & 110 both base model, all at ~same price range, any logical thinking person will choose Patrol

[@meraboy8322]

~40k saving on top specs can buy a lot of petrol, by then the turbo of LC 300 will probably need replacement. 🤣

[@michaelhermans4753]

The difference in pricing means you have to drive 500,000 km before you break even with similar spec cars It’s a no brainer the Patrol is in front, the money saved can be spent on after market improvements and turn it into an off road weapon Being naturally aspirated makes it very reliable as less to go wrong No amount of bling can replace reliability especially when broken down in the middle of nowhere in 40 degrees Yes it is a bit dated but who cares it’s been out a lot longer with a proven track record

[@Robert-cu9bm]

@@michaelhermans4753 If price is the only measure, you'd be buying a Chinese car. Comfort, drivability, looks and service all play into a decision.

[@CarbondaM5]

@@Robert-cu9bm I wish Chinese car was more affordable. Nio ET7 is starting 70k

[@dpd6401]

I’ve no doubt the LR is good in all facets, let’s see how it performs in the reliability stakes over the next five years, including all its electronics and maintenance. I suspect both the LC and Y62 will do very well.

[@geepuller1]

TFL in the states bought one and it was a disaster. LR replaced the vehicle twice

[@dpd6401]

@@geepuller1 yes, I’ve seen those episodes. I can’t get over the dealership cutting the loom trying to fit a bullbar and rendering unserviceable!

[@TheBremse]

Well if the LC300 continues the reputation of the LC200 then it won’t be. It has a terrible reputation for reliability.

[@jean-louishamid5285]

@@TheBremse Honestly I don't think it'll do worse. The 4.5 td was a bad design overall. This new 3.3 was at least fully engineered from 0, and not the result of 2 D4Ds glued together.

[@TheBremse]

@@jean-louishamid5285 possible, but it’s also a lot more highly strung. Which Toyota don’t have a good history of building high performance AND high reliability at the same time. But my point was that people carry on about reliability of the previous (LC200 engine) being good when in fact it was terrible. And given a lot of the issues were electrical and injection related (apart from the numerous exhaust system issues) I am not sure the ground up engine rebuild will have solved any of those.

[@fairworld2522]

Land Rover anytime. Undoubtedly the king of off road.

[@philipsteer1115]

I agree. The Defender is a superb vehicle.

[@scottcrawford7310]

Why is motoring presenters seem to be rusted on Toyota supporters. Can’t really take a lot of notice of them. The patrol in real life is quite better then people think. Mountain trail caravans did a tow test on the patrol and 200 LC surprisingly the patrol had more towing power and used less fuel then the toyota. Don’t agree patrol is dated at all. Forget to mention the All leather seats. Better value for money.

[@josephmodise3627]

Thanks for the review, very helpful!

[@ogohoom9413]

Got the LC300 fully loaded and i can say the differences between the one i got and the one in this video are days and nights, wish you put the full optioned LC300 instead. It will blow the other two out of the water.

[@gadgetphilosophy8290]

I can’t see how having more luxury options will improve on/off road handling or towing. If anything more weight will hinder performance. Generally toyota are not as refined. That being said they’re suppose to be reliable. Big dealer network. Strong drivetrains. I owned a 2010 200 series for 3 years.. very strong underpinnings. Super heavy duty. Great on corrugated roads. You’d barely feel a thing. Hopefully the 300 is just as tough.

[@ItchyFeetOz]

put the Defender to rockcrawl mode will sort out your throttle touchy response issue.

[@ItchyFeetOz]

Haha all in good fun and no damage done.

[@pathumlakshan4736]

Legend of the land cruiser

[@hotrod7603]

TURDOTA fangirl spotted

[@oscartrain1151]

So from this test the Land Rover was clearly better than its rivals. The one thing that could not be tested is long term reliability: the Toyota clearly has an advantage here though it is no longer running a super low tech V8 from which much of its famous reliability derives. Land Rover has a terrible reputation built up over many years of under investment and its infamous Rover V8. But recent surveys show that this poor reputation is now rather over stated to the point of disinformation. At the same time the new V6 in the Toyota is unlikely to maintain its predecessors stellar record, and although overall build quality should be second to none, the difference between the two vehicles is unlikely to be yawning gap it once was. If reliability is your biggest concern get a 70 series with the big V8, If not you may as well choose the one you like the most, which from this test sounds likely to be the Land Rover

[@jean-louishamid5285]

Honestly I don't think the new V6 can get more issues than the badly designed 4.5 V8 td. Replacing the injector ramp in the 200 is a 10K€ job here in Europe.

[@timwds89]

It's interesting to read the comments, it's like some people watched an entirely different video. Granted, there are different configurations that all three vehicles can be optioned with to make them more fit for purpose. No one in their right mind could consider buying the patrol in this economic climate. Thirsty barge sums it up, the end. Land Cruiser, truly uninspiring as usual yet people can't get enough of them. There's nothing inherently wrong with the Land Cruiser, just nothing really good about it, especially for the money. The best thing about it is there are plenty of people out there that drink the Toyota cool-aid so resale is easy if you develop a sense of taste after buying one. Defender, truly an amazing piece of engineering that makes the other vehicles look like vintage farm machinery. With this kind of performance comes complexity. Part for part, the defender is built to a higher quality/standard, there's just more parts. What I don't think people are considering is, this ain't Land Rovers first rodeo. Air suspension has been available since the early 90s and has come leaps and bounds in refinement and reliability. Suspension aside, there are just as many wires running the drive train on the other two, it's 2022, so the "Simpson Desert" argument can be laid to rest... To summarise: Why would you drive an inferior car to avoid fears of what may never happen? In theory you could save heaps of money living in your car, avoid mortgage, rent and a ton of other living expenses, but who wants to do that? If you're one of the rare individuals that truly believes the Land Cruiser is a nicer car to drive, compared back to back.... Go for gold my friend, some people are basic and that's fine. I probably wouldn't put my hand up to test ride a horse as I'm not sure what I should be looking for, some people aren't well acquainted with the finer points of driving. Disclaimer, clearly written by a Land Rover owner but have had experience with all three vehicles (not absolute latest generation)

[@theonlymanofsteel]

Best performance defender and most good looking too

[@peterj5751]

Ownership needs to take into account reliability and resale. In both areas the Landrover plummet down the rankings if history is any guide.

[@cameronmurray3039]

Not sure about Australia but in Europe, LR resales are very very good. Especially the new defender, many which are a year old are currently selling for more than the RRP

[@peterj5751]

@@cameronmurray3039 At the moment in Australia that is true of everything. Landcruisers are going up not down. But all Landrovers plummet like a stone once the warranty runs out here which is reflected in the resale before that because it’s like a countdown to huge bills. We may be different to Europe because we have a country where breaking down is not an option once out of the cities. It’s a real pity that Landrover fails time and time again to make a reliable vehicle because I’ve always loved the design but….

[@raghavbaroliya]

Where is fingerprint start stop button in Land cruiser ? The ground clearance of zx variant is 310mm .

[@GRcorolla-bt3mn]

310mm in the ZX variant of the land cruiser, really? Like does it have air suspensions or something?

[@allanbernabe38]

Landcruiser's rear seats looks uncomfortably low. Will be really hard on the thighs in long trips.

[@rossdrayton5476]

Would have to consider the Land Rover much more seriously now.

[@2010gt3rs]

I have a D300x and it is unbelievable, fast , comfortable and a pleasure to drive, took delivery of a 300GRS on Xmas eve. Have done 600 klm and am extremely disappointed, so much so that I think it will be sent on its way

[@tharinduwijayasena309]

What aspects of the 300GRS disappointed you? Spec'd a D300 X-Dynamic HSE but didn't confirm yet, wondering if I should wait to drive a 300GRS first..

[@billybob1511]

Agreed. I've driven the LC300 and its disappointing and its too expensive for what it is. I've also driven the Defender and it was so much nicer I've ordered one! Like chalk and cheese to be honest. I don't go into the outback so I will trade reliability for a MUCH nicer daily driver.

[@Speakthetruthplease]

Love the Defender, will definitely trade in my Cruiser for one. I'm tired of all the rattles and breakdowns. Everything feels cheap

[@philipsteer1115]

I've now talked to a few owners of the new Defender (including a couple that have just finished the big lap) and they absolutely rave about it. I love the old Defenders, but I think Land Rover have produced an excellent vehicle here.

[@richardburns5925]

Trade in a Land Cruiser for a new Defender??? I don't rate any Tata product. My Nissan Patrol Y60 TD inline 6 4.2 with front, centre and rear diffs, a massive ladder chassis and solid axles pisses on a pretender.

[@stephenwood7727]

Great reviews and was not previously aware of the Landrover Defender 110. Please - why are there no towing mirrors fitted on any vehicle when towing caravans.

[@michaelbarden4162]

Towing at 110kph ?? Western Australian max towing speed is 100kph. At 110kph there is no room for error when something gets out of control despite electronic trickery. WA ahead of the game in safety.

[@MrGamester59]

Defender for me every day, looks, teck, towing, and off road ability 🤙🏻A1

[@defjam2026]

Great review, thanks. Would like to have some views on reliability and longevity of these trucks

[@einfelder8262]

There is no reliability data on the Toyota as yet, the Nissan has well proven drivetrain, the Defender will spend half it's life in the dealership waiting for parts.

[@chanceym6000]

Actually, the defender has a proven structure as well being a modified version of the Disco 5 which has been around for five years

[@krisliao]

Defender for me

[@damirsharipov7387]

Great review. Patrol anyway. Best deal indeed.

[@nebiliac79]

💪

[@Sir2wired]

I wonder after two years 4x4ing (2024) how is reliability is these 3 suvs now?

[@turkkiq]

For 12 years old SUV, Nissan Patrol is the best 👍🏽

[@killbill2548]

Long time to wait

[@arvinmasangkay8341]

Patrol all the way

[@louscarpato1440]

While I love the design of the Landrover, having had two Discoverys from new (as company cars) that literally fell apart around me on outback roads I would be reluctant to spend that sort of money on one. Nissans are clearly designed for the Middle East with their super low petrol costs and the Toyota is (again) relying on reputation / marketing to offer less for more. Makes it hard to choose between these. A landrover built in a Toyota a factory would be perfect. Someone who can design and someone who can build reliability. Don’t laugh, fiat had the 124 sport built in a Mazda factory.

[@jean-louishamid5285]

After thoroughly watching this vid, I've decided to buy the obvious winner : the Kia Sorento.

[@seanleonard2912]

Is that a new Chinese bicycle 🚲 🤔

[@TheObronx]

Defender any day. I'm actually surprised that you tested the Nissan, its dinosaur!

[@philipsteer1115]

Agree. I can't believe anyone is still buying the Patrols!

[@ktpinnacle]

The defender has been around for a couple of years now. So how is the reliability? We only hear about the historical reliability of Land Rovers. So has this one bucked the previous records for questionable reliability of LR products?

[@chanceym6000]

I’m very into land rovers and the only problems I’ve heard of are some bugs in the screen that have been fixed by now

[@proavtechinsights]

Patrol anytime, if youre looking for a reliable machine for 10+yrs usage. We've got the Patrol Nismo here in ME. Love it.

[@Mavo1989]

How does that Landrover even get decent cooling with it's horrible front end, need 4wd 24/7 to do this comparison doesn't at all really give a good review at all for what most of us want to know. You guys need to take some notes from them and update the review process a little more

[@ZachBrimhall]

Defender, all the way

[@philipsteer1115]

Agree. The new Defender is an absolute winner.

[@mbalmzda1885]

Time for 4k upgrade for your content. It's almost 2022.

[@gadgetphilosophy8290]

Landrover far superior in advancement. Better clearance. Quieter ride. Proven transmission ( ZF 8 speed ). Better approach and departure angle. 900mm wading depth. Suspension levels under load- better for towing. IFS front and back- better on road manners and way better better clearance due to not having low hanging diff centre and low hanging shock absorbers. Monocoque chassis has been beefed upped. Hard to say if it will prove reliable over central Australia corrugated roads?? What you won’t get is a huge dealer network. The Japanese hardly ever innovate. I’d say their best vehicle was the 80 series land cruiser. I’ve owned the 200 series for 3 years , plagued with problems.. unlike my old 80 series with 500k km in the clock. Still running. Granted had a ton of work done over the years but still strong chassis and body.

[@bruno6115]

Wow..... 1st unbiased review I've seen. Is this bloke still alive today?

[@johnnydave9505]

That optional middle seat in the defender was an unpractical idea

[@greg3095]

I absolutely love my Y62 S5. 3.1tonne van absolutely sunning performance.

[@michaelryding7769]

Needed to upgrade from a prado to tow a 3 tonne van. Compared the 200 Series with the then Discovery 4. The Toyota was positively agricultural by comparison. And my Disco now has 250,000k’s on it and has never blinked. Friends who tow with 200’s are blown a way by how much better the Disco is. And off road, it keeps up comfortably with heavily modified 4WD’ a my teenage kids have. Superior in every way. I’d love to see a test between the 300 series GR sport and a Defender HSE, where they both have much better levels of spec, and the Toyota has some better off road goodies.

[@jean-louishamid5285]

Which engine on the disco? The Peugeot/Ford or the Ingenium?

[@einfelder8262]

Of these three I choose the Grenadier.

[@nikolayrayanov2895]

The only issue with the LR is reliability... The Toyota LC will be working fine in 10 years with just maintenance, the Nissa Patrol will probably have a few minor issues, and the LR would have spent more time in the repair shop than out.

[@nikolayrayanov2895]

@BINAYA KASTHAKAR No, but a neighbor got his new brand new LR Discovery in service for a few months after which he cancelled the leasing and took Toyota Highlander. No issues after one year. The LR Discovery worked for about three months.

[@nikolayrayanov2895]

@BINAYA KASTHAKAR LR is not American, it's British. I do think Jeep is better than LR. And yes, Japanese cars are cheaper than the LR in Europe. Jeep is about the same price as the LR. But Jeep Grant Cherokee Trail is better than LR Defender based on reviews. I am looking to get either Toyota LC or a Jeep Grand Cherokee in the next 5 years.

[@nikolayrayanov2895]

@BINAYA KASTHAKAR I'm fan of the Prado version. But the LC 300 is a very capable vehicle.

[@jerryparker4484]

@@nikolayrayanov2895 Jeep is a soft reader and will get destroyed off road by a LR. Still, Toyotas are nice cars for ladies to drop their girls off a soccer practice. Which is why nothing goes wrong. They’re for the meek.

[@nikolayrayanov2895]

@@jerryparker4484 cannot take the risk of LR breaking down in the middle of nowhere, but thanks for your opinion.

[@Fergus_Afrique]

Landrover Defender 👍

[@finessedru1253]

You think this is the same pretty much for 2004 Avaitor? Iv been trying to remove fans and shroud to get to the alternator but Its hard to disconnet electric fan. I may need something else.

[@kenbearsley8322]

Like you said, it depends on what ya want in a vehicle, what it's going to be used for. It is a pitty that nissan didn't keep the 4.2 litre diesel inline 6 engine along with the petrol v8 and updated the diesel.

[@OffroadingVignesh]

All the 3 are King 👑of SUVs !

[@livingstonekot757]

Not a really good review in my opinion... Should have tested similar spec models... Only then can a fair comparison be made and the price can be used as one of the comparisons...

[@michaelhermans4753]

The top spec patrol is on par with the lc300 Sahara at 40k more expensive Price is not everything it’s the ONLY THING lol

[@tonywu683]

Any comment of the lc300 snorkel but only it create more noise? I understand that it is not for water crossing but dust reduction. The air filter box still has the drainhole, so it is not for water crossing as my understanding.

[@tareskisloki8579]

Factory snorkels are always considered to be raised air intakes, not snorkels, because they don't get sealed the way aftermarket installs do. The airbox does have a drain hole, but it is equipped with a rubber valve that lets water out, but not in (as long as you make sure it's not being held open by debris like leaves or twigs).

[@cwgolfandtravel]

Bit out of touch saying the petrol engine of the Patrol not consistent with the segment. With Diesel on the way out due to emissions, more and more SUV/4×4 are being fitted with Petrol engines mixed with hybrid tech.

[@metallicablackend484]

The Defender with 10 years guarantee 👌🏻

[@offroadingfoz]

The defender pedal feel suggests get out of auto and in to Rock where control is perfected to avoid that aggressiveness. 👌🏻

[@ljdperth4608]

I think the review should have noted that the Y62 is a very old platform (10 years). And the towing comments of the LC300 are questionable. It doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to tow something that weighs more than the kerb weight of the vehicle - hence the nose and tail dipping when hauling 3 tonnes. I would never tow anything that weighed more than the kerb weight of the vehicle.

[@kevinward4714]

Which vehicle has the best over bonnet vision.(you did not mention that why).

[@DarrenBoxhall]

Didn't mention the rear diff lock in the patrol?

[@dhphotography644]

Patrol TiL still punching. i would buy another Patrol without batting a eyelid. Albeit more expensive then originally to get into one now day's in saying that. 7 years on, my current Til patrol the 40+k i saved in purchase price vs the then 200 series price, Brought me a shed load of fuel and servicing in that time. Drives great, tows our 3t. van well when needed. 17lt per 100 on 98 and 23lt while fully loaded towing per 100. From the current vid the parol still has more to offer, for the cost. A vid of done the 3 top spec versions of all the models, the patrol i would imagine will still be far better value. Your getting a top spec patrol for a basic version of the i other two on offer in this review. Petrol, i think will still be here to stay, no DPF,EGR,Ad blue,servicing etc. Overall winner, sorry the Patrol is still king, the other two i wouldn't consider changing for Price themselves out the market vs pros n cons imho.