Landing Pattern Ops | Former F-16 Pilot Tries Falcon BMS in VR (Part 2)

Mover (Former F-16 Block 30 pilot) tries out Falcon BMS testing out the landing pattern and ILS system. www.cwlemoine.com
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[@farcydebop7982]

Should start a full campaign, that's where BMS really shines.

[@charlies40556]

I think he should as well but I feel that would get very close to classified knowledge he has. If he starts getting into BVR and things it will cause him some trouble.

[@grimblegromblethegnome]

I'm fascinated by wondering what those classified tactics would be. I really want to see them but I understand why he can't. ​@@charlies40556

[@AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH-y5f]

He would go to jail for sure if he did that.

[@fastfed]

its freaking difficult to start a campaign, who knows what to choose, with all those crazy sliders from the 90's

[@Skkyyyyyyyyyyy]

@@charlies40556He’s already said he won’t do most missions for that very reason.

[@joesteidl8134]

Tower is Uniform 3. DTC will do the rest. Glad you enjoyed in , Mover

[@chrisschweitzer7197]

That's Kunsan AB in Korea. I was there from 2010 to 2015. Those buildings look really accurate. The developers did a great job.

[@Dee-Jay]

Hi! For performance reasons and issues with some objects and textures, we have temporarily removed all the trees and fences. When they will be back in place, you should enjoy it even more (looks much better). 😊 Kind regards.

[@JuanVega-ns5ok]

I was at Kunsan ‘90-91 8th AGS, 80th AMU. I was fortunate enough to get a ride while I was there. I recognized the S-shaped taxi way immediately during that right hand turn @ 4:08.

[@jRieg]

@@JuanVega-ns5ok I was at Kunsan from 89-91 I was in Transit Alert / Crash Recovery.

[@gkky_]

Hearing Mover this excited about BMS is such a warm and fuzzy

[@billcedarheath387]

More? Yes please. Some ACM? Double yes. I’m eager to hear more about the flight model of BMS in all of the roles.

[@ryansta]

Great to see BMS getting some well deserved attention and coverage from a real F-16 Pilot and hearing their opinions.

[@briantoplessbar4685]

If you get the “dtc” dance figured out for BMS it will put defaults radios for uniform as: 1: base ops 2: ground 3: tower 4: departure

[@PablosCZ]

I’d love to see real Viper driver’s cold & dark ramp start flow and ofc you to dive into BMS brilliant dynamic campaign, although there’s quite a steep learning curve (ATC, interaction with AWACS, other flights in the package, loading a data cartridge…). But if you fly as no.2, AI flight lead is somewhat capable to quide you to the mision target.

[@andresilvasophisma]

+1 to that.

[@RaptorMaitre]

That's how i learned early on. Some 10 years ago 😊

[@Chad-xh8zs]

Im guessing he probably wouldn’t do that due to even the slightest risk of accidentally revealing a secret

[@Malc2169]

Try using the helmet visor down option for VR, helps greatly in this weather. Please make sure you’ve no curves applied to your stick in the driver software. Approach is 292.65 and Tower is 292.30. Welcome to BMS.

[@b0bl00i]

@@Malc2169 tell the man alt v

[@dasdguy7606]

"Flight Model very good" "Avionics good". Glad to hear it!!

[@6XENO9]

Thanks for another BMS clip, I dodn't expect it to be two parts. Quite informative and it joy to watch. +1 on some BFM stuff, also I'm curious of your opinion once you'll try aerial refueling. BTW it seem to be a bit of opposite to DCS on landing final where Viper in DCS suffered sudden drop of the speed, but BMS Viper loves to keep flying. BTW if you enable pilot body , it provides build in kneeboards, with ots of usefull stuff, including nav charts and airport runway direction and tacan/ils/radios frequency chart for whole theater of operation.

[@beaverbms]

Nice to see you like BMS. Just to help you with the comms after you pick your seat you can read the mission briefing. That tells you which frequencies are used. Then within the data cartridge do the so called click dance. On the IFF tab hit IFF plan, on the comm tab hit COM plan and on the l16 tab hit l16 plan. Finally hit save and you're good to go. When in the pit and you've started the aircraft, avionics etc. Load the DTE and all comms is available to you. U2 for ground, u3 for tower, u4 for departure/arrival. With "T" on the keyboard you can use the various commands like "remove EPU pin" or you install voice attack and automate it like I do. My personal preference goes to voiceattack + a plugin package from veterans gaming. That one is fully available and also works with call signs like sentry5, texaco1 etc.

[@aboriani]

To me the best feature of BMS is the dynamic campaign… so far no other game managed to have a campaign system similar to BMS… also the ATC is great

And this was started in 1998!

[@PHMobil-xd6yt]

Coding startet in 1994. 😊

[@FredericRodrigues]

I'd definitely watch more BMS on the channel. Keep the videos coming !

[@ramal5708]

Used to play Falcon 4.0 game as a kid, one of the game that made me fell in love with fighter aircraft.

[@John-f6y5y]

Yes. More BMS please. I'd like to see a video on startup procedures and also see you try some refueling.

[@Mike-pq8yu]

Good to see you enjoying BMS! Some dogfighting next would definitely be great, although you need to try the campaign! It really is where BMS shines.

[@NumbersLetters_]

More BMS!

[@jamesfenton3751]

BMS has kept me happy all the way from my "pew pew" days twenty-five years ago till now when the squadron mgmt and campaign strategy is more satisfying.

[@dasdguy7606]

same.

[@AndrewGrey22]

Nothing cooler than having a real fighter pilot show you stuff like this. It's really fascinating. Thanks a lot CW.

[@g0rdonfreeman1]

Really hope you continue this series, subbed.

[@neutchain7838]

Cool vid, really enjoyed it. The heart of this sim really is the dynamic campaign. I love watching jets going to do their stuff and coming back home. The whole battlespace is dynamic and feels alive, you can hear them doing their thing on the radio, it never feels like you are flying solo.

[@AR_Parker]

bms is very special. i really really enjoy it. the campaign stuff once you figure it out is really cool.

[@ViperDriver22]

Heck yea, more BMS!!

[@patmillin]

Really enjoying seeing you fly BMS, would be brilliant if you could dive deeper in to the sim

[@simgaminglifeofficial]

Cool stuff cool stuff ✌️😎✌️ Mover in BMS puts a smile on my face

[@Tonpilot]

Good to hear your impressions! Just curious if you have heard of a Pete Bonanni. He was the AF advisor for the predecessor of BMS, Falcon 3.0. Met him at SimCon 93 where all the Falcon nerds at the time met for 2 days of seminars and head to head sim dogfighting! Anyway, thanks for the video!

[@Bummer873]

Would really like to see more of this sim! It's my favorite of all time, especially with the BMS crew having kept it going and improving over the years. The graphics are not spectacular because it came out in 1998 originally. There's been some work on that, but I think a future update is going to take care of the graphics even more.

[@Bummer873]

And with the dynamic campaign and how much you can control... you can kind of wargame as well as fly!

[@lluvik2450]

always awesome to get a glimpse into real-world ways of operating.

[@qwertyuiop32935]

Wake up babe, new CW Lemoine video!

[@grimblegromblethegnome]

Hah man this was so rad. A real fighter pilot narrating while giving a first person view in the cockpit.

[@Jacobruxo]

Awesome, more BMS please!

[@ranxer0n954]

great to see you trying BMS - looking forward to some dogfighting...

[@stephenhoda3362]

I also started w 3.0, and I've been hooked ever since. WE WANT MORE!

[@b0bl00i]

Can't wait for more BMS content

[@clericneokun]

Keep going. I love this. It just makes me wanna try out BMS even more now.

[@b0bl00i]

Just give it a go buddy, it's a blast!

[@Chinfo32]

In the hands of a pro.

[@FalconAC]

Would be great to see you doing some dogfighting. I think the AI is more interesting than DCS but you will be a better judge of that.

[@digitaurus]

Falcon 4 campaigns are so good. Given you seem to like the BMS flight model, and you love the F16 so much, I am surprised you haven't flown Falcon 4 more.

[@boysen01]

Great video! I would love to see you interact with the ATC at some point - a really strong feature of BMS

[@captainhoratius8192]

Definitely need a part 3 and 4…A2A, and A2G

[@augmentedrealities]

I'd be happy to watch him fly a full theater mission by mission. 😁

[@Turboy65]

DCS is great, it's reasonably accurate and is great for eye candy, but for hardcore simulation authenticity, BMS has always held the high ground. There's no reason not to have BOTH installed and set up.

[@samihookings8241]

Except storage space haha, DCS is massive.

[@AlphaGatorDCS]

Nice. I used to fly Falcon 3.0 way back in the day...got into DCS during Covid in 2020. I'll have to try BMS.

[@ronneidert]

Very nice, Mover. I have zero seat time in a pointy nose just, but really enjoy your perspective and experience.

[@zanderlabuschagne2368]

I really like the theaters BMS has, not just maps but theaters.

[@jackkorsen814]

Hey c.w. How was it flying at Kunsan? I was stationed there in 83-84. I’ll never forget it, and taxi way 5, the AAA area.. of course ROK hill and the ROK AF.

[@dicejr6802]

Great P1 and P2 vids Mover! Really hoping you start a lets play of the campaign as its amazing and super immersive!

[@heclak8241]

Awesome stuff! So glad to finally check out BMS. Would definitely need to see more and hear more of your thoughts!

[@akrickm1]

Another great video would like to see dog fights also. Grandson taking his first physical for pilot slot at WP in Dayton Oh this week.

[@b0bl00i]

Hi Mover! Thanks for doing this. Hope to see you fly this sim some more in the campaign mode. Talking to the AI /ATC is very simple using the qwerty keys. Keep pressing the key for accessing page 2,3 and so on. Q for awacs, w, e, r for wingman and flight com, t for tower, ground approach while y for tanker and a few other things. Channel 2 for ground, 3 for tower 4 for approach / departure. 6 for Tactical. (UHF)

[@mystic_j2188]

BMS is an addiction if someone further digs in

[@youngbloodbear9662]

Id really love to see you do a campaign, actual decision making and prioritization from an f-16 pilot would be awesome

[@ianmacintosh3245]

Smooth flying despite the joystick up sensitivity you currently have. Nice to watch the different techniques and the sportscar driving style :-) It’s a communicable disease watching this. Now I gotta go try some touch n go’s 😂

[@FirehawkSHD]

Remember AI in BMS wont cheat in terms of FMs , everything pure skill.

[@docbrown9018]

Awesome video, would love to see you fly a mission in a dynamic campaign and give us your opinion on how well they are planned.

[@stephenhoda3362]

Coincidentally, I bought the same Dell Alienware you did a few months back and suffered blue screen of death issues. Had to return it. No wonder it was on sale! Thanks the Crystal Light suggestion. I will buy em next year along w a new gamer laptop that will hopefully work.

[@DCSHacks]

Just what I've been hoping for you to do! Outstanding!

[@emperornazuz1205]

turn on your visor for the helmet it should help with hud visibility

[@flyingnut3752]

Thank you for your time, not sure how much you are allowed to show us, but it will help if you teach what they have in the manual, guess it is out there anyway, oncw again. Thanks for your time and contribution

[@rovpilot1]

My full-scale F16 simulator ru s on this very BMS. It's pretty impressive what BMS can do🤘😎

[@andresilvasophisma]

Nice, keep 'em coming Mover. I recommend watching a video on comms ladder. For starters: UHF 2 - Ground 3 - Tower 4 - Departure On the ICP, just select UHF with the dobber and set the frequencies with the Up/Down buttons under the "7" button. After setting the frequency just press the "T" key for requests. You can press it multiple times for more messages.

[@augmentedrealities]

should do some circuits in IMC, actually pretty fun and looks good too. It's also pretty epic during a campaign mission when weather is CAVOK on departure then IMC when you return. cozy.

[@sjpga]

Again. Thank you Mover for trying out Falcon. Look forward to more of your thoughts.

[@nyandyn]

Imagine having a working ILS system in DCS. Yes, it is there and it works... if and only if weather conditions are exactly right.

[@TSHKKRipper]

Doen't DCS have ILS yet? Oh my 😂

[@audunskilbrei8279]

@@TSHKKRipper Of course it does. And it works just fine. I haven't tried all the modules but F16,F15E and A-10C all work. Carrier ILS works on the hornet as well.

[@TSHKKRipper]

@@audunskilbrei8279 I meant F-16

[@TSHKKRipper]

@@audunskilbrei8279 I checked now. There is.

[@audunskilbrei8279]

@@TSHKKRipper DCS F16 has working ILS. Works the same as in BMS

[@WildWeaselPhantom]

Very nice! Interesting if you could fly in a F-16A. I think BMS has the block 15 and 20 variants.

[@ercnsmsk84]

It has Block 30 and above completely modeled, the Blocks before the 30 are in the database but their cockpits are not modeled.

[@ArchOfficial]

@@ercnsmsk84 F-16A MLU cockpits are modeled, although they're closer to C models.

[@theninja5019]

I wanna see CW take on that hot shot who does the vids in DCS, only in BMS in decent mission simulated mission and not some scripted crap they setup for the flashy video, something fragged by the ATO in BMS. A BARCAP or SWEEP or something.

[@aaronwhite1786]

Goddamnit, I really don't need more temptation to get a VR headset. I just got a new computer, and I think I could run DCS and definitely BMS pretty reliably with decent FPS and graphics with VR...but I would get buried behind my apartment if the fiance saw the price point on a VR headset.

[@b0bl00i]

You'll love campaign and missions once you have got the grips on ai /and atc comms. Thanks for doing this.

[@DonHuff]

Dogfights, YES! Great to see a pilot fly.

[@TSHKKRipper]

Glad you like it.

[@danbaker6837]

Very cool. I've got the game but I haven't dedicated enough time to figure it out. I think I'll give it another try.

[@DashRiprock513]

I can't believe he used the word falcon in the title.

[@trucker_wood4811]

C.W lemoine should start a game series on DCS see how he does in combat

[@bubba3133]

I'd like to see your view on BMS AAR. And your view on the BMS F-16 simulation in general. Flight model, avionics, etcetera. Great video on the patterns.

[@flyingnut3752]

It would be great to see you team up with fisgas or avaition plus or the others, they will teach you the sim and you can teach them how to do it IRL, would be great for the comunity to learn

[@thomasmckendry8566]

Welcome to the flight sim community, you should totally do a group flight

[@PoochAndBoo]

"Put the thing on the thing.." Stop using all of that complicated pilot's jargon!

[@Madfox11]

Sir dude, everybody's waiting for A2A content !

[@whuttontarnation2484]

Great vid Mover! I think it would be awesome to see some dog fighting footage

[@Bullet4MyEnemy]

Take off looks a lot smoother in BMS. In DCS I can’t get a smooth pitch rate during wheels up, it’s takes a lot of back pressure to lift off but then the pitch rate seems to change for the same stick position. Robs me of the satisfaction every time, does anyone know what I mean?

[@Gunfreak19]

There's something off my F16/HOTAS in DCS. It's out of trim always. I have the Winwing force sensing stick. And it always wants to roll to the right because of the Tpod. And I can't trim neutral as it will just be untrimmed the other way. Also feels like it always wants to go up or down. Like it's untrimmed that way too. I've checked bindings and the stick is dead center. So it's not a problem with the axis.

[@FUFU-o2d]

mover.. you should do a campaign on dcs.. real former jet fighter pilots vs sim enthusiasts... it'll be great

[@Demka03]

It’s even cooler when you are talking to a guy on ATC.

[@UmutcanOktem-et7ig]

Press the alt+v and see the magic

[@EvilSawboss]

great vid. do planes yell altitude altitude at you every time you come in for a landing?

[@jamesfenton3751]

Depends on your configuration and what you have set in the altitude alerter.

[@georgecooksey8216]

Enjoyed it. Thanks

[@fthrgasp]

So I'm curious, how does this compare to the F-16 in DCS? I currently don't own either, but I am curious about the differences in "realism".

[@vincentvoncarnap]

the bms one has a bunch more systems modeled, so it is a lot more complete than the dcs one. however, things such as the INS are simplified, but the effects of it are still implemented, dcs simulates things a lot more accurately (but that also takes a lot of processing power and not a lot of stuff actually gets developed). as for other stuff in the sim, dcs has more playable vehicles, but falcon has very good AI that cooperate with each other on attacks and a “game master” ai that schedules flights by itself, so it simulates an entire battlefield.

[@head3749]

Dcs stimulates things more accurately?? ​@@vincentvoncarnap

[@behindthen0thing]

That's interesting the way you are doing the pattern. Is this the norm for fighters ? Obviously GA uses a very rectangular pattern.

[@rightrudderleftstick]

I believe it’s military style as it allows you to visually inspect the runway by crossing it. (Especially if its been bombed)

[@Jarlerus]

A Block 15 vs Block 50 dogfight? :)

[@stonejay316]

Has mover reviewed the helicopter chasing scene from the movie outbreak 1995? Great movie and I would love his take 😊

[@MultiJp51]

I’m surprised you didn’t get the ILS beacon tones on the glide !? Did you turn the volume on ?

[@Dee-Jay]

Hi Jp! This is new to me. I know that markers are implemented for a long time but I didn't know that ILS morse code has been implemented (is that recent? Because I flew an ILS yesterday on Kunsan and despite the correct freq, Tacan tuned as well and with vol knob up, I didn't hear any morse code. Will check again)

[@MultiJp51]

@@Dee-Jay it’s been at least 8 years Morse tone is implemented , but all ILS might not be equipped .

[@MultiJp51]

@@Dee-Jay I remember now , kunsan36 is not implemented since there are no beacons in water ;)

[@Dee-Jay]

@@MultiJp51 mmm ... Are we discussing the same thing? As you know, ILS code is not coming from the TACAN nor from the markers beacons. Each radionav beacon (including ILS) send its three letters morse code on its own frequency. This applies for the ILS, TACAN, VOR, NDB ... etc ... The outer/middle/inner markers are something else (and this is working no prob associated with marker light on HSI ... but I do not remember if we have the three or just the outer/middle). I never heard any TACAN not ILS code in BMS so far (will check tonight, maybe I never turned the TAC knob up, but this is only for TACAN, ILS knob is of course for ILS which must be on/turned up to work). I am sorry (and surprised) to have missed this!

[@Dee-Jay]

@@MultiJp51 ... BTW, if I am now wrong, the IATA id code (three letters code) should also be displayed on ICP that also allows positive identification of the beacon. I am not sure this is properly implemented and I do not remember anything on the database (unless it is in station+ils.dat) ? Will check that also. I am sooo out to date!

[@RarefiedError]

Wonder if this sim has a generic CCIP ordinance drop training mode

[@Dee-Jay]

Hi! Could you explain more? CCIP is of course implemented, DTOS and CCRP as well.

[@RarefiedError]

@@Dee-Jay ty , you covered my question here

[@S3NTRY]

Would be great to see some fights.

[@augmentedrealities]

@@pregnant9574 i'm not sure you fully appreciate what it means to watch a real F-16 pilot fly BMS.

@@pregnant9574 that's what flying planes often is. You either have it your you don't. But that's okay, they let anyone fly in the back these days.

[@augmentedrealities]

@@pregnant9574 Didn't mean any offense, it's just that this video is aimed at pilots and aviation enthusiasts. If you thought it was boring, if it's not for you, why didn't you just go back to watching shorts? Personally, I hope mover does more long format videos in BMS, I don't want to miss a thing. I find routine flights just as engaging as dogfights when it's an experienced fast jet pilot behind the stick. There's always something to learn! Given mover is so familiar with flying the Viper, his opinion on how faithful the sim is matters and can help further development in BMS. ✌

[@CRAZYHORSE19682003]

How does BMS compare to the military simulators that you flew?

[@mykey39]

Do you always land with the Flight path marker at the top of the pitch ladder? It's been a while since i have flown properly in BMS and DCS and don't remember the proper protocol.

[@CWLemoine]

11 AOA

[@kyd4798]

What base did he fly out of? Reminds me of kunsan

[@Planehazza]

That's because it is :)

[@CRAZYHORSE19682003]

With the Pimax Crystal, do you miss the eye tracking of the full crystal?

[@CWLemoine]

I do not.

[@CRAZYHORSE19682003]

@@CWLemoine I would love to speak with you sometime. I am a veteran, a military tech enthusiast and I have had an idea for a Naval Military Tech thriller for years but I am not a writer, I would have no clue how to start. I would love to hear your opinion on the concept. Who knows, maybe I can be the Larry Bond to your Tom Clancy.

[@styloroc2000]

Can you compare to the DCS model? I prefer Gen 1 jet fighters, but dynamic campaign mode on BMS is so enticing (and there are hardly any early cold war servers for DCS anyway; even ECW is more modern than I would prefer)

[@orlok1960]

please do a few more if/when you get time. BMS is a gem but doesn't get the wider interest it deserves. I know there's no need for a missing contest with DCS but I'd like to know how you find the transition from DCs to BMS. I feel folk are more afraid of the learning curve of BMS more than they should be. or should they?

[@bubba3133]

Herm the Sperm? Is that the nick name for the command steering symbol? 😅