Former F-16 Pilot Tries Falcon BMS in VR (Part 1)

[@adam-b5l8l]

This guy ain't no pilot...If he is then I'm an astronaut

[@CWLemoine]

Are you stuck in space right now? 🤔

[@adam-b5l8l]

@@CWLemoine Yes...I'm not for sure where I'm at right now. Somewhere between mars and earth I believe.

[@dsdy1205]

Lol the ignominious pin

[@Dee-Jay]

Are you Artemis or STS crew?

[@adam-b5l8l]

@@Dee-Jay Neither....I'm known as the starkeeper from the 3rd tribe of zebidiah.

[@dsdy1205]

the quiet satisfaction in your voice when you evaluated the Viper warms my heart

[@arcosiancosine1065]

You know the BMS devs did a good job with the flight model when everything is "good" and "like it"

[@pullingweeds]

It is crazy that Falcon 4, though heavily modified, is alive to this day. The Falcon 4 manual was amazing.

[@aaronwhite1786]

I miss the old manuals. My Mom used to let me take a book or something to church to read during the boring adult service, and I would take the Janes Fighters Anthology manual for weeks on end to read.

[@9HighFlyer9]

Still have my spiral bound copy. I don't remember if anyone took credit for leaking the source code to 4.0. I doubt they envisioned the game evolving as far for as long as it has. I recently found my copy of Back to Baghdad. Even have the manual for that.

[@aaronwhite1786]

@@9HighFlyer9 I think one of the original developers actually mentioned that they were the one to leak the code, if I remember right.

[@LodewijkVrije]

@@aaronwhite1786 yes, not just one of the developers. essentially the guy who created the entire dynamic campaign system, is also the guy that leaked the source code. i believe he was also an intern or temp employee or something like that.

[@mcapps1]

Do you mean falcon 4.0??? Because I have the actual hardback binder from the retail game.

[@MaxWaldorf]

Nice you eventually got to test our work :)

[@6XENO9]

@Max is a time to send Mover an invitation to Falcon Lounge? Just in case he'd have any questions. :)

[@MaxWaldorf]

@@6XENO9 Up to him if he wishes...

[@Dcscockpit]

I understand where your sim shines, but you need to work on in cockpit textures, the jet is the main focus of the entire thing.

[@charlies40556]

@@Dcscockpit The systems and the campaign are the main focus not the graphics of the jet. But they are working on new 3d models and cockpit stuff including terrain remodels. It is coming.

[@MeanHereAT]

Tell what being shallow means without saying so

[@AviationPlus]

Welcome to the club. Looking forward to Multiplayer package flights.

[@niceagle22]

Sir, you should invite this gentleman to Falcon Online or Massive Multiplay Campaign!

[@manosr9772]

Finally! Welcom to BMS! I hope you enjoyed the external model i made as much flying our sim :) Welcome to the club!

[@LeonelEBD]

You guys rock!

[@ProGamer-gc3wv]

He just tried it because you guys gave him headdicks on discord. What welcome to the club? He will never use bms, because its crap (visually). Hold your horses back 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Dee-Jay]

Hi! 5:20 : A little G warm up session will increase "virtual pilot's" tolerance for several minutes. 10:00 : Only two greens => possibly an over-speed at takeoff with gear/door maneuvering. You could have applied the alternate landing gear procedure/checklist to get a successful extension. (remember that you can test the lights before going into the conclusion that you have an LG failure, despite the "TO/LDG CONFIG" alarm/tone which could be triggered by something else than the RMLG unlocked) 11:15 : No random failure (unless you have set the Config to allows random failures, but this is not really a realistic option. It is rather to practice a lot of different failures). Any failure you can have will have a reason/root cause. VERY cool, glad and happy to see you checking out Flacon BMS! ❤ Kind regards.

[@sunrrrise]

I see what you did here with "Flacon BMS"! BTW. any chance to have flyable Rafael at some point in the future? ;-)

[@6XENO9]

@@sunrrrise Hi Sunrise, heck even proper M2k would be sweet, but still even it seem to be out of teams comfort zone. Which is a bit pity as Galinette once offer his help to make one for BMS.

[@Dee-Jay]

​@@6XENO9Not a problem of "zone comfort" Galinette who is for sure a great guy and good coder is probably only interested in the M2000. And the problem is that we don't want to deal (for some very good reasons that I won't mention here) with any possible issues with Dassault who are VERY sensitive with that kind of copyright and industrial stuff. (Same reason for the Rafale)

[@Dee-Jay]

Correction on my 1st comment: Yes there are some possible (+/- random) risks of hot start during start-up sequence. But nothing that can't be solved by proper actions/procedures.

[@6XENO9]

@@Dee-Jay Yep, thanks for mor detailed info. that I was refering to. I know Dassault is uber-protective about their stuff. Maybe if French or Greek AF nudged them their need another sim for advanced tactical training in dynamic and complex scenarios ... :)

[@PablosCZ]

Long time DCS Viper driver here. I haven’t touched DCS since I’ve (re)discovered Falcon BMS. What an amazing game with great devs and a super nice community. And it’s basically free. ❤

[@EbonySeraphim]

Its free except the waste of time getting things to work and save occassionally. Then free isn't free. It also isn't "free" in the sense that it doesn't offer what I can't do in it. In that sense, it offers me nothing other than "do this instead." Point: find a way to appreciate BMS without introducing trash talking DCS into the conversation. I know that's hard on the internet. But if you open the door, you invite the backlash.

[@PablosCZ]

@@EbonySeraphimwow, sorry to cause you a butt hurt, m8. Where exactly am I trash talking DCS? Just shared that I like F16 simulation in BMS more than in DCS. You have a different experience and I am completely fine with it.

[@EbonySeraphim]

@@PablosCZ you answered an unasked question. If someone asked me to speak about how attracted I was to my partner, and I said "hey, I haven't touched your wife/gf because mine is just hotter." Even if all I say is that I prefer my wife/gf over yours, who asked? You can respond to the prompt without comparison. You make the comparison, you invite a response to the comparison. Hope you can understand m8. I never said what my experience was with either. Nor does it matter.

[@theeltea]

​@@EbonySeraphimNot the first time I see you give BMS crap. Go away.

[@theeltea]

​@@EbonySeraphimHe never trash talked DCS.

[@joesteidl8134]

Hi, Mover. Try some campaign stuff. That is where BMS truly shines.

[@monstermegahoschi]

Or TFR. Or WX. Or DTC. Or tuning your radio if you want to talk to someone. Or setting tcn for formation flying. Or dealing with AA that actually is a threat. Or joint ops. Or everything else DCS deems irrelevant for modern aerial warfare.

[@rolinthor]

BMS is a hi-fi flight simulator with a bangin’ real-time strategy game attached to it. You can plan every mission in the ATO and direct every unit on the board.

[@Dcscockpit]

@@monstermegahoschidcs allows you to tune your radio to whatever frequency you want, dcs also lets you use the tacan for everything it can be used for, but I guess you apparently don’t play it

[@infantryski11b64]

​@monstermegahoschi you're such a cool fighter pilot. Can you be my dad?

[@ImperatorTheodosius]

​@@monstermegahoschiOk nonner

[@-mikerivers-]

Thanks for taking a look at BMS! As a former BMS dev(long time ago), this is very nostalgic.

[@MultiJp51]

Hi Mike , you should come back to the party :)

[@-mikerivers-]

Maybe one day. I’ve sharpened my programming skills so that I can do a lot more damage now 😂

[@ProGamer-gc3wv]

If its true, the first thing you shold do is BETTER GRAPHICS. Then improve the f-16 cockpit texture and for the sake of what ever, remove those other airplanes which you can fly, they look ugly and use the f-16 avionics, thats dumb. Thank you. Btw ca i donate so you may start working?

[@6XENO9]

@@-mikerivers- I'm pretty sure you'll be more than welcome. :)

[@EthanolEnthusiast]

@@ProGamer-gc3wv Be quiet.

[@Waz-2000]

Welcome to BMS! Alt-V to put your visor down to read the hud easier

[@barryrodgers3039]

Falcon BMS is amazing. I bought Falcon 4 when it first came out (seems like a lifetime ago) and to see it still going and still not exceeded in some ways is incredible.

[@Supertrump.2024]

Same as well, paid 50 bucks for it, but it was worth it. Was kinda cartoonish compared to todays enhanced version, and is even greater now. Thanks to the dedicated people that upgraded it to keep it ALIVE!

[@Tonpilot]

Good to hear so far that BMS flies like you'd expected!

[@thebiggestoneyouveverhad]

Watching a veteran do his thing in the sim really brings a lot to the table. Much respect for Mover giving his time and expertise to the hobby. I certainly appreciate it.

[@Teesquare56]

Welcome to BMS, I hope you like it. Try putting the visor down to get more contrast with the HUD.

[@SnaxDesAvions]

Hell yeah Mover ! I thought you were gonna test BMS when 4.38 drops with the new terrain but I'm glad you did before ! Can't wait to watch your next video on BMS !

[@charlies40556]

Heard you mention BMS on your podcast this week and was super excited for this episode. Good work.

[@supanova88]

It's good to see you looking at BMS. I'm sure you'll enjoy the campaign.

[@9HighFlyer9]

When i heard you mention that you tried out BMS like most viewers i was interested to hear your flight model thoughts. The campaign is the thing that sets Falcon apart from everything else though.

[@6XENO9]

Oh BTW BMS soundtrack made by Micro should be included in BMS Docs folder. I do listen to it sometimes when I'm in work.

[@micro3939]

It is in the docs folder under "Goodies and Wallpapers".

[@tylerouimette2934]

" Is it back? Yes!" The surprise was legit haha.

[@theshawnmccown]

Glad to see you play this. I was curious what your take was on it.

[@Madfox11]

Can't wait for part 2

[@gradocchio]

Welcome to BMS, been flying this sim on/off since 1998!

[@6XENO9]

Hi, i'm glad you've got it working. +1 on campaign being the essence of Falcon experience, 'tho video would need heavy editing to keep you out of troubles. Still i'd be great to watch. BTW afaik for arrestor cable to work, you'd have to request it from ATC :) in general comms and mission preparation are huge parts of BMS. Also g-warmup may improve your vpilot tolerance.

[@alcmann]

Not sure if its ATC related however I do remember grabbing the cable with the hook in the past and they do work. I probably did declare an emergency with ATC, I do remember them working. Thanks for the tip didnt think it was ATC correlated function but makes sense now to raise the cables.

[@SuiLagadema]

I started with Falcon BMS. In Chile, March is the month that celebrates the official creation of the Air Force, so it's a joyride of different planes. A friend from HS is a viper pilot and allowed me to climb in the cockpit. We made a bet that I could start the viper (not touching any switches ofc) and I got out with a nice bottle of whiskey. Edit: Might I add that it's almost stupid proof. Engine knobs on the right side, config panel in front of you, radar on your left. It seems that the people who designed thought "What if we put all related instruments with something specific in a left to right motion". Beautiful plane, even though we used older block 50 models.

[@Supertrump.2024]

My Dad worked for GD in Ft Worth for 35 yrs. He actually designed the MFDs for the F16. I think he would be Damm Proud that his Design is still Being manufactured and flying Fifty Yrs after he helped make it. And almost 30 yrs after he has passed. God Bless you all.

[@Pwnzistor]

I love Falcon BMS! Really enjoy the fact that the community can create new maps and they get released for free. Full Korea, parts of Japan and China. AND a dynamic campaign!!

[@myaccount9745]

I bought Falcon 4.0 in 1998 as a 15 year old and it's what got me into flying. Eventually my body told me "no", but it was still a good ride. I still remember my first successful aerial refueling. And of course I played the campaign. It was really nuts when you were on route on a bombing mission with some heavy GBUs and two bags and suddenly your RWR went off from a MIG or one of the many SAMs and things got real fast. Jettison, defend etc. It's actually been a while that I touched Falcon.... but yeah, doing that now.

[@ikwilgeenkanaalzeur]

Cool to see you try out BMS. For something that’s almost free it looks pretty good and has a lot of features.

[@EvilSawboss]

I love the vids of Mover flying the viper

[@sjpga]

Thanks Mover! As a long time Falcon person. Appreciate your time 👍

[@janithawikramasinghe6777]

The dynamic campaign is the best part!

[@Scarebus_Driver]

The environment ie ATC, AWACS and teamwork and feeling part of a far bigger world is where Falcon has shined for over 25 years. As much as i use DCS nothing has ever touched Falcon for feeling like a small wheel in a huge machine. Oh and the F-16 is incredible, F-15 is outstanding as well. Graphics actually look and feel like what real simulators feel to be in ie full motion real life sims so i still like the graphics. Sure its not DCS but graphics are to me only one component of what makes a simulator great.

[@phrozen755]

Can't wait for you to dig into the system differences between what's correct on BMS vs DCS. The biggest eye opener for me was that BMS considers even turning on the A/C so you don't fry the avionics, and a few other startup things. Would love your take on the systems, and definitely go through a few campaigns -- this could be an awesome category for you and what you've done at least with DCS. I know that BMS is a bit more "tricky" to do multiplayer things, but definitely a great experience. Thanks for posting this regardless of video quality, this was a great watch.

[@zapper696969]

@Mover The MP connection process is so much better than it used to be... and absolutely worth it, just takes a little persistence. Really looking forward to your future BMS vids.

[@gkky_]

I've been waiting for this forever, thank you so much Mover!

[@brandnewdan]

Been waiting for this mate, always wanted to see u in a bms jet!

[@Planehazza]

7:48, when you almost virtually GLOC... BMS simulates G warmup requirements, you might find that after doing the turns for G warmup, you'll sustain 9G for longer before the 'knockout' animation kicks in :)

[@Jacmac1]

Seems like something was going on with the mic cutting out, some of what you were saying is unintelligible.

[@CWLemoine]

The Pimax mic didn’t work so I had to use the boom mic which was noise gating when I turned my head.

[@eljuano28]

Go home, microphone. You're drunk.

[@micro3939]

Glad you test it. Enjoy!

[@0612Devil]

Was wondering if you’d ever give BMS a try. Can’t wait for part 2!

[@theoldweaponstroop7441]

Welcome to the darkside! Now you gotta get the AVCS4 voice attack profile so you can communicate with the ATC and your wingman seamlessly.

[@edward8701]

It's great to see you trying Falcon BMS. I love it for some EW/DEAD training on Nevada NTTR out of Nellis as well. Been using Falcon since their Falcon AT edition in the 80s. PS: Press and Hold Ctrl+E to eject, this is to avoid any inadvertent activation (in campaign, if time and situation permits, zeroize everything like you know it!). Keep going!

[@muhammadsaleh7229]

Try the campaign . You won't regret . You will remember your training

[@man_vs_life]

Rock on BMS. Keep em coming.

[@callsign_scooter9602]

I have been waiting for this day for a long time. I feel so......satisfied that a real Viper pilot gives good marks to Falcon BMS. Yeah the graphics aren't perfect but the flight model, functionality and implementing it in the campaign gives an experience like no other!

[@S3NTRY]

"Welcome to the party, pal"

[@MultiJp51]

Gear overspeed is modeled around 300kts+ . Have you tried gear Alt ? It should have solved the issue in your case ;)

[@ricbish]

I tried this the other week and thought it looked pretty good considering how old this game is! What a great sim!

[@BrawndoDrinker]

Took me a minute, then realized this game has its roots in a game my friend and I played in the early 90s. We used to spend hours in Falcon AT multiplayer over a null modem cable, trust me the graphics today are a tad better 🤣

[@The_Magic_of_Zelda]

The legendary Falcon 4.0 still lives on. This video sure brings back fond memories of playing Falcon 4.0 on my Windows 98 PC. Good times.

[@John.Diaz76]

"Help me Tom Cruz!"

[@ws6619]

the VR experience seems to be pretty smooth. nice! I still have the original Spectrum Holobyte Falcon and Mig29 floppies. so many great memories. this is a def. check out.

[@simgaminglifeofficial]

Cool stuff! Welcome to the world of Falcon BMS ! 🫡

[@LodewijkVrije]

just a heads up. you should also try using the AI communication system in BMS. its still really good. as an example. if you actually request a landing on an airport. the AI ATC will actually give you heading, altitude, and speed to maintain. and will guide you onto the runway. works with multiple planes landing too. it will actually dynamically create a landing pattern, and will try to space out planes correctly while lining them up on the active runway. same if you are flight lead giving commands to the other 3 planes in your flight. it blows anything in DCS out of the water. the enemy AI is also somewhat competent at BFM. it can jink gun shots, it knows about vertical circles, it knows how to reverse turns and when. in all my years of playing DCS ive never had an AI go into a rolling scissor with me, or do a high yo-yo. but the AI in BMS will do those things, if you are not expecting what the BMS AI can do using DCS as a reference. a BMS ACE skill Mig-29 will eat you alive.

[@devnull-uk]

Alt-v is your friend - drops the visor and improves HUD visibility/contrast etc.

[@MultiVeeta]

What didn't you like about the HUD on taxi I didn''t understand?

[@5TARC0MMAND3R]

At 2:53 I think he's referring to its poor visibility against the concrete of the taxiway. He mentions DCS also has this problem and from my time in DCS I definitely agree.

[@seancummings7788]

Glad to see you're checking out Falcon 4 BMS. I, too, am curious what you think of the Dynamic Campaign. As for your gear you may have damaged it when you took off. Unlike DCS you can overspeed the gear pretty easy in BMS

[@lst141]

I still have the manual that came out with F4.0. Amasing

[@grizzly4736]

Yes, it does have random failures but you can turn those off in realism settings. I have also broken my landing gear on take-off. Over-sped the gear and they wouldn't retract. It also lets you fly different blocks of F-16s, also C or D model Vipers, you just have to see what block is slotted for the sortie.

[@pascalb2062]

Hi Mover, if you do the G warm up procedures you should stand some longer time in high G.

[@coffeeguyd]

I remember having the original version of this game, complete with the manual nearly as thick as a telephone book, lol. Can't wait to see any future parts of this series (hopefully in the originally intended 4k 😜)

[@WhereNerdyisCool]

Wow along the ground you definitely get the feeling of speed way better than DCS (though prettier)

[@Glow6703]

Finally. I hope you stay for longer. Welcome to the party!

[@pierrecress5449]

Kind of cool that the canopy lock is functional

[@anonemus2971]

I played the original game. It was a groundbreaking flight sim. I still have the original 3 ring binder game/flight manual that came with it. It is over 500 pages. It teaches you how to operate every system on the aircraft. It also has detailed sections on BFM and CFM. It is hands down the most complicated and realistic flight sim I have ever tried, and I owned every Janes branded game made.

[@icaleinns6233]

Loved the "We're on fire, Ricky Bobby"! Priceless reference!

[@theeducatedgrunt2087]

I used to love the old spectrum holobyte game Falcon 4.0

[@GunniesLetsFlyVFR]

For an original 90s sim with the work the BMS team it's great. Combine DCS Graphics and keep BMS flight model and the dynamic campaign and it would be perfect. Just lean right a little and reset view! I alo have this issue. Maybe select both eyes in DCS and maybe ot will centre. Thanks 😀

[@mikekal4472]

Nice video! Yes it does have random failures, selectable in the config file.

[@imbalos]

hope we will get some A2G action from you

[@phill5917]

ED should take notes.

[@ripgfa]

guess you did over speed the right gear

[@taip4n]

Finally BMS!

[@dasdguy7606]

Hey C.W. Thanks for posting. Always interested in a Pro's POV. I've never had a gear failure. That was unusual.

[@AliAhmed-jw4cs]

To be honest I always wondered how accurate this is, so I really like this video! I've wondered for so long, I'm still watching it but how do you see it compare to DCS

[@whuttontarnation2484]

"we're on fire Ricky Bobby" kinda makes me wonder what a Wonder Bread or a "Me" livery on an F-16 would look like

[@PlaceboC6]

I flied the original Falcon AT, Falcon 3.0 and eventually Falcon 4 when I was in my teens and wanted to be an F-16 driver. An autoimmune medical diagnosis screwed that up but I've enjoyed spending time in DCS flying their F-16 simulator. For fun after a couple of years in DCS I installed Falcon 4.0, unmodified, and it didn't run smooth at all. I have this super powerful computer that plays DCS at 170 frames per second at 4K but Falcon 4 was chopping quite a bit. Maybe the mod would take care of that problem because it obviously completely overhauled the entire thing compared to the original based on your video.

[@ThatNiceDutchGuy]

I'm rather sure you already know about this but still: Try BMS instead.

[@b0bl00i]

Finally! Hope you like it

[@mutantos6778]

Sub for going BMS :D

[@acesidewinder]

Welcome to the dark side of flight sims.

[@cptr95]

If you have further interest, I would try contacting ATC. It’s much more realistic than DCS

[@falcon88h]

Flew this sim for Yeeaars.... Back in the day, we had big team vs team hop's - 20 vs 20 😁oooh those tacviews, where crawled with slamers

[@zy597]

Love to play BMS but FPS randomly drops in VR. DCS run fine. Using quest 2 with usb c cable. Any advice?

[@c17pltn10]

2060 !!! … I was the DCC of that jet, great bird, great squadron … PIU!!!

[@DeusAlgor]

Do you require HOTAS or VR controllers will also work in this mod?

[@vincentvoncarnap]

you kinda need hotas and some sort of headtracking

[@Bane_Diesel]

Is there a zoom function in BMS? When using vr. How hard is it to set-up vr?

[@vincentvoncarnap]

im pretty sure you can zoom in VR

[@andresilvasophisma]

Try the Balkans and Baltic theaters, they're the best ones. The mountains over Italy are awesome. Flying over the fjords is awesome too. Edit Try it in instant action with infinite ammo and fuel, full Ace Combat mode.

[@vincentvoncarnap]

how do you do different theaters? i only have korea.

[@6XENO9]

@@vincentvoncarnap Seem BMS forum, 'Theaters Discussion' section. There are sub-forums dedicated to each major theater, release announcement with download links should be pinned at the top of the list. Just make sure theater is compatible with BMS version you have installed (info should be in title/announcement post.)

[@andresilvasophisma]

​@@vincentvoncarnap You have to get them separately. Try the BMS forum, it's under Community Topics -> Theater Discussion. You can then select them on the launcher.

[@andresilvasophisma]

@@vincentvoncarnap I responded but the comment got deleted. I'll try to speak in code to see if it doesn't happen again. You can get more at BMS f0 rum, Comm unity Topics -> Theater Discussion.

[@andresilvasophisma]

@@vincentvoncarnap KZbin keeps deleting my comment BMS Forum.

[@walkaway6353]

This was built not so much as a game but an sim. REALISM was the main focus. And damn at the flame wars that went on for years. Un told hrs. have gone into this since the org. 3.0 on 3.5 floppy disk. It also caused SO many divorces. But it was worth it. Squad nites / fight nites /and even training from real F16 pilots and instructors. Man I miss them days. Start at 18-20hrs and next thing you know your flying with guys from Australia the sun is coming up and your try to think of a good excuse to miss work. My pilot days are come to an end and looking forward to returning to the sim. Thanks to all that helped build this sim. Both here and long gone. What a ride it was. (Freebirds - call sign walkaway/walka)

[@pauillacwine263]

DCS is great. Think of start playing it myself as well.

[@JadedJet]

Janes F-15 had the best music

[@mk6315]

Mover did you ever get to flip the Max Power switch? I gotta know

[@MC_Deedle]

I’d pay money to watch you and Gonky go a few rounds in BMS.

[@TonyHerstal]

Did you increase the speed of the video?

[@CWLemoine]

No.

[@nightflyer40]

Enjoyed the vid!

[@dqzza]

2:21 there we go.. oh nooope nope nope

[@Recluse_Flys]

Ah man it would be sweet to have you join us at the 6th or on Falcon Online for a flight

[@ralph_f16simulator]

I've build a 1:1 cockpit that runs on this software

[@hapisua]

Thank you, sir!

[@alepaz1099]

you flew for 10mins and you broke it great job 👍🤦‍♂ 😂🤣😂

[@komrad1983]

Kind of looks like Prepar era of graphics, I don't really think I would try it, since we have dcs and f16 there that is fully made. Failures are fun though.

[@swoopstudios1104]

I would highly recommend trying it. The dynamic campaign is leagues better than anything DCS can offer. Plus it teaches you to fully understand your plane and it's systems better than DCS does. I always found that I understood how to do "tasks" in DCS with my bird, but BMS taught me how everything in the plane helped me complete those tasks. Plus it'll make you a better pilot for DCS PVP lobbies imo