Summoner Changes | FFXIV Shadowbringers Media Tour

[@travisfair9573]

Holy crap nothing has properly conveyed how SMN feels as well as that ending clip of the girl with the bird. I'm dying haha

[@RikkuTakanashi]

Thank you for mentioning that! I almost skipped the very end. I've seen that clip before, but to see it in the context of a summoner... I can't stop laughing, help...

[@PandaArchaedas]

I just saw that for the first time after watching this a bunch, im dying!!! Rofl

[@ericbrown3955]

Omg the ending of this video was amazing 🤣🤣😂😂😅

[@geekmastermind]

I look forward to being terrible at that job in new, exciting ways.

[@tatersalad76]

Titan just falls further and further into obscurity. And he carried me through a lot of single player fights with his beefy body...

[@matthewwysong644]

Yeah, some of the solo fights for the job quests are basically impossible now without it.

[@XavierAliatos]

"Bane now spreads ruination" "Ruination affects Outburst" Holy shit I like what I'm hearing. Seems like it's gonna make up for having to relearn SMN again

[@erickelley1680]

as a warlock player from WoW I accept your challenge squareenix.

[@D1ab0lical]

And then they just remove ruination and leave Outburst the same.

[@jacobzantop8]

@@D1ab0lical 🙃

[@xValsion]

lmao that ending

[@Larryzaur]

That's my Phoenix

[@eonduplessis11]

@@Larryzaur dude I lost it at that ending

[@brandonspengel5727]

Oh man, that ending caused me to project soda out of my nose :LOL oh man i was dyin

[@andyporter7344]

Incredible analysis, I went into the video with a ton of questions and you answered all of them! Head dongs unite! One thing I'm still unsure about though is whether Physick scales off Mind for SMN or Intelligence now, since the potency remains the same. Did you try it out?

[@Larryzaur]

I didn't, but it's not worded anywhere that it does so I'm gonna assume it still works the same (since it's still a ACN ability) we can leave the healing to RDM 😏

[@andyporter7344]

>:D we'll handle the AoEs with Everlasting Flight! But yea I think we'll have to wait a bit before they trait or remove it. Not a big deal at least! The potential cast time reduction on Resurrection during Trance is a nice bonus too!

[@xShakuu_]

@@Larryzaur that regen only ticks for 400 though xD that's worse than physick

[@tatersalad76]

@@xShakuu_ it lasts for 20 seconds, so it should total at around 8 thousand

[@rukrawczyk]

me, a SCH main: eh, they look cool, but nothing too interest- *SMN medica II exists* ...I HAVE A NEW MAIN

[@Tyranastrasza]

Sry, but that is far from a medica II 20 potency. That's quite low.

[@rukrawczyk]

@@Tyranastrasza obviously it's way too low, but I was just making a joke about how they gave SMN another heal ability

[@needheals8906]

@@Tyranastrasza It's 100 potency actually D:

[@Tyranastrasza]

@@needheals8906 Yeah, it changed at the release. During the Media tour it was 20 pot. Either way, SMN won't alter their rotations just for that heal usage. If it happens during a raid wide damage, good. If it happens when everyone is topped, nobody cares.

[@tsuki6943]

I loooove the new artifact gear - it's a nice return to the classic summoner look.

[@Duarte_GB]

0:00 Oh boy you can say that again Larry!

[@Zemnexis]

Thanks to that clip at the end, I'm gonna make my Phoenix as smol as possible. ... When I get to the point of summoning one...

[@Larus_The_Lock]

The Summoner changes look like they will feel so good.

[@IceBloo]

Surprised you didn’t mention one of the bigger changes where the pets don’t take damage anymore. This completely changes the tanky summons. How do they work now?

[@rubenwilliams8503]

I'm really happy with all of the SMN changes... EXCEPT! I'm disappointed that Phoenix isn't really that different from Bahamut. I would have preferred something entirely different. Not that it matters because I will be switching mains to DNC, but still.

[@Pikachu-qr4yb]

"We don't have Aetherflow anymore, instead we have ENERGY DRINKS" That's what I heard first lol

[@TheDbend]

So we're gonna keep the whole Summon Phoenix thing on the DL when we are around the twins yeah?

[@TheSMBZfan1]

Why would we? They know the story of Phoenix and we agreed to take that secret to our grave unanimously in regards to the general public. Only ones we have to keep secrets to is literally everyone except the twins.

[@darkmatterii834]

First thing I'm doing is grabbing those twins and doing t12 on my smn.

[@TheSMBZfan1]

Feel free, but just saying the Trusts only work for Shadowbringers content.

[@darkmatterii834]

@@TheSMBZfan1 aww damn

[@wates101]

Yeah but this is the world of "The First" so the Phoenix there isnt the Phoenix from our world

[@lyconxero457]

SMN has been one of my mains since I first leveled it up and I'm happy to see these changes to it.

[@Thatonedude227]

I'm really excited for these changes. My main gripe with SB SMN is how damn long the rotation is. This seems to not only shorten it but make dying WAAAAY less punishing while getting rid of some of the clunkier aspects of managing aetherflow. I'm really excited to see how it all plays out.

[@b9556]

I love the summoner changes, except the potency changes for the pets, and that they can't be targeted.

[@DarrelOdin]

Loving these analysis videos! I’m really excited to see what you’ve thought of all this stuff coming out.

[@Millenium3334]

So at 6:42 you're saying that Evergale effect from Garuda's egi asssault 2 if buffing the potency of Ifrit's egi assault 2 ? Or is it something else ? Unsure if I missed it but have we lost contagion aka our 10% magic damage debuff ?

[@Luigicow92k]

Garuda's Egi Assault 2 does 220 total potency, but Ifrit's Assault 2 only does 110, is what he was saying.

[@nnymeia7663]

yup we dont have contagion anymore. i'm both saddened and happy about this change 🤔

[@Millenium3334]

@@Luigicow92k Oh yeah Evergale is the DoT, wasn't looking at what I should have !

[@helldanart]

SMN is my main spec, and im soooo HAPY DUDE!!!

[@Cyatkiten]

I main smn so I am really excited to get new rotations and I am so happy you made this video. It helps so much

[@yxyburke]

I'm so happy about these videos!! THANK YOU SO MUCH LARRY!!

[@kaitokei]

qns! do you still have the "BAHAMUT STOP MOVING" issue? i've noticed from this vid and the yoshi-p interview that you move around a lot now but i remember like, if you move a lot and bahamut moves with you, akh morh delays once you do the input.

[@warkiller]

I would say the issue might be less present due to the fact that you won't be able to proc Wyrmwave off of abilities, meaning you won't be trying to weave 14-15 Wyrmwaves and 2 Akh Morns. So that would make it somewhat easier for Bahamut to do the Akh Morn since he won't be trying to do so many things so quickly.

[@mrcliff34]

ANYONE ELSE FEEL LIKE A CHILD ON CHRISTMAS? BEST EXPANSION SO FAR FOR ME :3

[@thetruebonds]

Same for me. I just feel bad for the healers. They got screwed

[@mrcliff34]

@@thetruebonds Yeah in trying to balance the healers they just made them all a slight bit worse. Astrologian I feel is still top dog for healing even with the changes.

[@bigbay1159]

I'm excited too but let's wait for the game to actually drop first

[@rambogodofwar9158]

Wrong whm is a beast

[@moruemourue9692]

i'm so happy with the smn

[@zantar04]

So. It looked like that smn medica 2 was like 400 hp a tic. That seems kinda pointless when you have 66k hp honestly. Though the rest of the changes look really fun!

[@palladiamorsdeus]

So relegated to the same space as physic.

[@Haos51]

To be fair, their main job isn't about healing so it's more of a bonus than anything..

[@mirrorimage8624]

@@Haos51 yeah but we don't have tank pet to hold the line anymore. We now NEED a heal.

[@bigbay1159]

I mean this isnt meant to be a heal on its own, if the party is taking bad damage your Medica II type heal can assist the healers just enough since its 20 seconds and that adds to 8000 health which is enough to stop an attack from killing

[@mirrorimage8624]

@@bigbay1159 I'm talking about solo overworld or duties not in a party.

[@dt5101961Nelon]

0:21 Your book also changed though. From picture book to demon summoning ritual book.

[@anthony7697]

Unless elemental resistance makes a comeback, which is doubtful unless they find something in doing Eureka to make it maybe a thing again - I feel like I get what they wanted to do with Titan but didn't do it well enough. Ifirit seems to be your single target damage, Garuda AoE focused a bit more, and tried to make Titan a middle ground with some defensive but it honestly doesn't look like it will work. I think they should change Ifirit's Inferno there to be just a AoE circle with the DoT. I can't read the top Titan skill name - I'm guessing Rock Buster - maybe make that a single target damage down (maybe 10%?) , Make Earthen Armour apply to all nearby players (likely helping Tanks/Melee DPS a bit more than ranged unless close), make Mountain Buster an AoE version of Rock Buster (maybe 5% damage down?) and Earthen Fury maybe an AoE stun that lasts a few seconds depending on CD - Still keeps Titan as sort of the "crowd control" pet that can help tanks - with it being that you say use on a large AoE pull Earthen Armour, Mountain Buster, Earthen Fury to stun while Garuda swap unless after swap you wanna use the Garuda big AoE, Slipstream, spam Aerial Slash/the other skill I can't read for Garuda up top, then back to Titan to re-up the damage down every 10-20 seconds and if needed/lazy the shield and then back to Garuda. With single Target being the same thing except Rock Buster instead of Mountain cause single target and Ifrit instead of Garuda. It encourages the use of the insta-swap of summons as every few seconds your swapping out one for Titan, the other based on single target or AoE, and Titan is still unique while becoming more the "Tanks Assistant" as it can no longer actually tank by lowering the damage the tank or party members take.

[@Celestial93]

Second this. Phoenix already applies aoe heal, no reason why titan can apply aoe damage reduction.

[@mageovetsomeone8494]

please keep us updated on this

[@werkonderlop2503]

Phoenix was all the reason I needed to keep maining SMN in the new expansion, but now I see that it's even better than I thought, thank you you beautiful bahamut loving you

[@cryw1092]

I was unsure if Summoner was worth pursuing first as a new player. This has persuaded me.

[@SuperIvysaur]

Is fun to play (at least for me) but if you are aiming to end game optimization is probably gonna demand more than the other jobs do

[@cryw1092]

@@SuperIvysaur In my experience, I've never been the most... optimal person, so to speak.

[@ronny_innor]

Im not sure about Summoner bcs lol queues, but i really suggest first players to play arcanist (if they are interested in magic ofc) due to the shared level between SCH and SMN. Also arcanist first levels is hella fast thanks to Fester somehow dropped into lv 18 and Energy Drain gives Aetherflow stack so their damage is huge. Back then we're stuck with Aetherflow->Energy Drain and mindlessly Ruin.

[@MrWader76]

Holy crap. You've really blown up in subscribers, lare bear. Congrats!

[@dtphichan]

2018 Larry: I WAS IN BAHAMUT!!! 2019 Larry: I WAS IN PHEONIX!!!

[@DukeCyrus]

Yk now that I've had time to process this, I've realized that they basically made summoner easier and more fun

[@fitydapumpkins]

Boi oh boi, I might crack out my summoner and get it caught back up for this, looking fantastic out here

[@TheFrantic5]

Hi I only leveled SMN to 34 in shadowbringers before switching to healer full time, so looking back at all of these old Summoner mechanics is both nostalgic and alien at the same time.

[@RatchildUK]

Thank god for the masculine AF gear. Also Green > White. Rydia was the first Summoner and she wears green.

[@Kougeru]

3:56 "it's the same potency". except not. It gets reduced MUCH less. It's the same potency as 4.5 Ahk Morn... but 5.0 Ahk Morn reduces by 50% for 2nd target and later for some stupid reason

[@Neptune1009]

They gave Phoenix/ Revalation the normal fall off that Ahk Morn currently has.

[@BM03]

The SMN video is longer than even the two completely new jobs. WHAT A COINCIDENCE, HUH LARRY?

[@Lifesongsoa]

Tri-bind is totally useful in Eureka. That's the only place... but it is useful there for accidental adds in dangerous areas.

[@suethao14]

I AM SO SAD... my pets are just a figment of my imagination now... T.T

[@KannenXela34]

So, I just now started playing Summoner. I Boosted Scholar to level as a healer, and decided to work on Summoner on the side, and I fell in love with it. And seeing these changes makes me even more excited. Won't be my main, but Damn this looks fun.

[@ronny_innor]

I restarted playing free trial, ACN having very early Fester makes fights way faster than before. And extra Ruin damage from stacking DOTs makes them more interesting. Feels a bit awkward doing Lv 15 quest tho, since it used to be putting Carbuncle as a tank lol.

[@RyukoPresents]

I find it interesting(?) that they made the Egi cast instant, but took away Contagion. Swapping for Contagion before Demi-Bahamut (especially when you could time casting it with a jump or other break in the fight so you lost not uptime) was a huge dps gain. And then you could SC back to Ifrit if you trusted your party not to die and need a raise. But now there's really not many reasons to swap? Unless, like you said, there might be a fight with an add phase... or you're running a dungeon and swapping between big pulls and boss fights. I figured out a lot of what you explained via the many, many leaks that have been floating around, but the thing that surprised me the most from your video was the change to how Wyrmwave is proc'd. I also had no idea we'd get 4 AF per minute. Like everyone else, I guess I just assumed the cooldown timer for whatever the new mechanic was would stay the same. I think it's awesome that Phoenix pops out WITH you when you go into trance, and part of me is now thinking that's almost definitely what they'd do with Demi-Bahamut later on if they plan on adding another greater summon. Curious for all the lore reasons behind the changes. Pleasantly surprised that they changed how you use Bane. Even a 10-second cooldown isn't HORRIBLE if you botch it. Also, it took me DAYS to make the connection that Outburst was just a rebranded Tri-Bind. DAYS. And I thought it was hilarious when I figured it out. Then I saw more leaked abilities and realized that they're conserving space by 'converting' spells into Phoenix versions. Another reason why the lore reasons will interest me. Guess they really are conserving space. One other thing I worry about is how 'difficult' this class is going to be -- what's the spread going to be across all players? I always felt like the timing of Demi-Bahamut against the timing of the rest of your group was one of the biggest challenges. But, with not needing AF for Demi-Bahamut, that gives you a lot more freedom. Thank you for the analysis! I'm now even more excited to try it for myself.

[@teemopanda02]

Great, now I don't know which job to main between SMN and DNC :'(

[@stevegarcia3174]

Just switch off and on one day dnc another smn or vice versa that's what I'm going to do I can't wait either 5.0 is going to be a blast

[@thecinders]

yep, glad I'm going to main scholar through this expansion, cause i can play summoner alongside it

[@pison1000]

4:28 Even in private test servers, there's connection issues.

[@meyaenyo2593]

I was liking summoner up until I realized they put the pet skills it'd cast into me casting it. That was enough for me to shelve SMN until that is reversed. Just to many damned skills to push and I can't keep up and dodge mechanics. They fucked SMN for me and possibly forever.

[@sayanara5223]

Yes, because on endgame content you are wasting time when u need to strike! Deadly and fast.

[@Branfaol1]

I was a little worried, but not now I really like what I'm hearing. Thx

[@honkhogan5019]

I want more Egi glamours. How much I gotta pay for Egi's of other primals? Ravana, Susano, Leviathan, Shiva, Etc. I want a Susano Egi ; ;

[@palladiamorsdeus]

We've been begging them for that for years.

[@SwarleyU]

Laughed at the bird at the end so loud it got me caught watching this at work lmao

[@Coramelimane]

So.... Titan's useless until we get a 3rd Demi-egi in 6.0?

[@Taenlyn]

His Egi Assault 1 finally gives SMN a defensive cooldown. It's something, but pray for Demi-Alexander all the same.

[@aerialdive]

titan isnt a tank

[@venuzmodeling]

We need a shiva Egi

[@magicalrandomness9468]

As a summoner main I can’t wait to try the new SMN. been a SMN main since day one, gonna take some getting used to the new rotation.

[@rachellevin9855]

OH MY GOD! Phoenix! I can summon Phoenix!

[@GhostyChives]

That end clip was fucking amazing and the reason I'm subbing

[@AlexxxxAlpha]

I already expected a heal skill from summoning phoenix, since they do have that generally

[@soliquidsnake3990]

They revive, not heal.

[@AlexxxxAlpha]

@@soliquidsnake3990 some do revive and some just heal, just like dumbledores phoenix

[@nnymeia7663]

i'm glad we still have the dwt

[@kefkaslaugh498]

can you confirm if the egi assaults can be used in the middle of one of your casts like current pet actions on obey? Or do we have to weave egi assaults?

[@Larryzaur]

You weave them like normal ogcds

[@kefkaslaugh498]

@@Larryzaur feelsbadman

[@nightstrider15]

I’m still disappointed they didn’t update the icons for the egis

[@austinirwin6346]

i was sponsered by Y'mhitra to say SMN is amazing.

[@Coaltergeist]

Holy fuck. Boys, I'm coming home to summoner. They fixed all the problems I had and made it even better

[@Alexandria1]

I dunno if I like the pet changes but we shall see!

[@jchamp00]

What about titan egi?

[@freezestar22]

I have a question. With pets no longer grabbing aggro, what changes did they make to Titan-Egi? Because if Ifrit is for Single Target and Garuda is for Multi-Target, then what is the job for Titan-Egi?

[@PurpleAlzir]

It looks like they made Titan-Egi put a shield on allies now for one of his abilities. They seemed to go for making him do mitigation instead of tanking for you. So still same role, help you survive single player instance stuff. Or be a raid shield utility in downtime.

[@cosmosofinfinity]

I like that the new summoner outfit is a bit of a classic throwback, but the original level 50 one still seems cooler

[@zepuppet._.master]

Larry sounded like a happy child when he said "Is a medica II"

[@Applesaretookool]

Rawr. Also, Wait D: Larryzaur Did they not even let you place physick on your hotbar to try out? Can't seem to find anyone from the media tour whos tested it. I'm a low key salty RDM wondering if they gave SMN a working physick since they lost Titan Egi Solo wise... and to complement their new... uh.. Medica II. [When the job changes are so harsh to SCH DPS tool kit, SMN starts feeling their healer side ... TWINSIES] *Edit D: You could have done the thing! WHY DIDNT YOU DO THE THINGGG. [Saw on some other videos where they also didn't do the thing and use physick]

[@sayanara5223]

Interesting yet all I can think is me summoning polygonal bahamut while the BLM spams flare, thx for update video

[@vampireguy24]

I don't even play FF: XIV but I enjoy every single one of Larry's videos from start to finish and am deeply interested in all these changes coming to the game.

[@Remonade-]

vampireguy24 Why not try it out? I’m used to faster paced MMOs but somehow FFXIV has been the only exception I’ve genuinely enjoyed

[@philip4417]

Phew, was getting nervous SMN was going to be 'ruined' but this all looks very cool!

[@coffeeavenger]

Awesome! Any thoughts on whether Titan-Egi is at all useful now that he doesn’t draw aggro?

[@jedimasterpickle3]

I still don't really get the pet changes but I'll figure it out I guess. I love that Bahamut only takes one Dreadwyrm Trance now.

[@darkmatterii834]

So would I be right I'm assuming we can use tri disaster in a never ending refreshed cycle? As both dreadwrym and firebird trance resets it?

[@chillstrix]

What about changes to the titan egi?

[@theundeadgentleman4998]

Based on the tooltips in the video it seems Titan is just a weaker Ifrit except he can give you a 20% shield instead of a 110 potency attack. The potency on his other attacks are so much lower than Ifrit's that it looks like he's literally only useful for soloing content.

[@dustincarroll3168]

@@theundeadgentleman4998 I think much later down the line whenever next expansion hits, if we get one, that titan will turn into something like garuda and ifrit turn into bahamut and phoenix respectively

[@chillstrix]

@@theundeadgentleman4998 I don't think you can use it to tank anymore due to the pet system changes but maybe you are right about using it for solo content.

[@theundeadgentleman4998]

@@chillstrix Yeah, the 20% shield that he's getting seems to be their way of making up for him being unable to tank himself, I'm not sure how that exactly compares to having the pet take the damage but he'll likely be leagues better against solo unsynced fights compared to Ifrit or Garuda.

[@Ariancia.Thystarian]

Oh that's how Phoenix works, good thanks!

[@siuyueyee]

ok, pre-ordered the expansion after watching this, hype!

[@j-zonol]

Do you think the new mch dps is better than the new summoners? If not how close would you say the dps is judging by numbers and etc?

[@irvyne6111]

Wow, they're really changing it quite a bit! Gonna have to relearn my job!

[@dominikhuemer2492]

yo Larry :D rly liked your videos about the classes for Shb What`s your thought about Skillspeed SMN for Shb ?? i see so much indicators that it could rly rock :D with the changes to demi-pets and the like 50 sec in the new 2 min loop were SMN is sure to only spam instants the reduce in GCD could rly be amazing :D

[@thepaper888]

What about topaz carbuncle?

[@owendawg1]

Are the pet actions more responsive?

[@corxiiifelinike2643]

Owen Dawg very

[@AlexWaff]

How will summoner head dongs work with hrothgar head dongs?

[@cosmosofinfinity]

Good question... I guess the lion boys will be double dongin'?

[@Demonboy007]

AFTER TEN THOUSAND YEARS, SMNS FINALLY HAVE A DAMAGE MITIGATION! AND TITAN-EGI IS USEFUL!

[@kashifox]

Larry one question how do u find the new job gear?

[@iznel9083]

Will we see a Infinite Phoenix Video Next?

[@jadan2000]

nice. how would you say you feel about SMN overall having played it at level 80?

[@mythic6199]

Does, the Evergale DoT from garuda slipstream have a timer like shadow flare or something?

[@GamerNym]

I was super duper worried about Summoner going into the expansion. Worried that we'd just be Bard 2, but this dispelled all my fears. I'm super happy with this and I can't wait to play it now. Clearly defining Garuda as the AoE pet while Ifrit single targets is great. And Titan seems to have gone exactly the direction I expected him to. I'm definitely feeling good about going into the expac as a Summoner now.

[@CleopatraKing]

Ahahahahahahahaah You cursed us smna

[@GamerNym]

@@CleopatraKing :')

[@DarkenMidnacrystal]

Except Egi Assault is now part of the GCD because they didnt want us to be top dong material

[@Sammysapphira]

So contagion is gone now? :(

[@LZC94]

somehow more streamlined and more involved/complicated in a way that had me all kinds of hype

[@TDOTCRFH4]

is there a reason to use titan now?

[@teemopanda02]

It gives you a shield apparently, so it might be useful for single player PVE fights, if you're dealing with large mobs

[@shadowsong6]

So excited for phoenix... also.. what music is in the outro/patron thank you screen?

[@cosmosofinfinity]

It was in the benchmark, maybe it's boss music?

[@WhipLash42o]

thats the shadowbringers dungeon boss theme.

[@spectreshadow]

As a summoner main I am excite.

[@mircsiii]

Does ifrit being melee not grant autoattack on top of base potencies?

[@jacobzantop8]

Is ruination further ruin? Or is it something I haven't learned yet?

[@HalinHaber]

Now all they need to do is make garuda, titan, and ifrit proper summons and get far away from the egis... actually im surprised smn hasn't gotten a trait to upgrade egis to demi summons especially considering how great the reception to demi bahamut has been.

[@RazielSoulreaver7]

what is the theme song at the end?

[@ne0n1nja247]

I might wait to level my summoner past lvl 50 then since I dont wanna get old mechanics engraved in me again