Last Of Us 3: Ashely (Ellie), Neil Druckmann on Ending, Abby/Lev & TLOU3 (The Last Of Us Part 3)

The Last Of Us 3: Ashely (Ellie), Neil Druckmann on Ending, Abby/Lev & TLOU3 (The Last Of Us Part 3)
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[@SmackNPie]

So what do you think, Halley and Neil gave small hints on Part 3's story, do you think part 3 should happen? If so, whose story should continue? #SmackEmpire

[@armed-response5345]

New ip first then part 3

[@jakegrenard682]

Both Ellie’s story with finding Dina will continue along with Abby and Lev’s.

[@marwanantar6191]

After that ending I think there's gonna be 3 stories to come with in the next game 1st: A separate storyline about Abby and Lev after they've taken the boat and left Ellie like Uncharted The Lost Legacy 2nd: A Prequel to the first game taking you again to Joel's past with His brother Tommy and how they survived after Sarah's death and how they met Bill and Tess from the beginning like Red Dead Redemption 2 (Which could be a very good game) 3rd: Another game that's gonna have both characters again Ellie and Abby and how they continued their lives after Last Of Us 2 ending

[@afraidsari]

I hope so. I hope Abby and Ellie can cross paths and support each other somehow

[@dewaalvandercolff251]

Ellie has Dina's bracelet on when she returns to the farm house. She didn't have the bracelet when she left to find Abby. And Jesse's parents wrote a letter saying Ellie, Dina and JJ should go live with them in Jackson. Part 3 Ellie will definitely die. And I hope we don't play 50% of the game as Abby. I don't like her at all. She is a trash person. She would've killed Dina after knowing she's pregnan. And she cheated with her pregnant friends man.

[@wilsonwaikhom9507]

Last of us part3: Bill comes back for revenge on Ellie for stealing his porn in the first game

[@jorlenelyledulogildo243]

HAHAHAHA underrated comment

[@huseyinhuseyin6854]

Good one 😀

[@browniebutt6796]

😂😂

[@abdullahalsultan4652]

Rofl then we have to sympathize with the magazine that elie threw from the car window

[@wilsonwaikhom9507]

@@abdullahalsultan4652 the cycle of revenge never ends😂😂😂

[@juanantoniogragasin1685]

If Neil Druckman makes a part 3. It's must be the biggest come back ever in story driven narrative games. Part 2 broke a lot of people's hearts; not saying that it was a bad game it's just heartbreaking. Naughty dog needs to pull of a godamn miracle to mend these scars.

[@vidk1dd96]

Part 1 was about Love Part 2 was about Hate What Part 3 needs to do in order to mend these wounds and tie up loose ends is to focus on the themes of Empathy, Sympathy, Forgiveness, and Compassion.

[@vidk1dd96]

@@AB-qc3qe Part 2 was real, it actually happened. Y'all need to suck it up already.

[@themexicanslayer8541]

vidk1dd96 nah it was ass it better be a dream

[@vidk1dd96]

@@themexicanslayer8541 Well, guess what? It wasn't. Write fanfiction if you want an ending that doesn't hurt your feelings.

[@sofiewiehe1245]

The part 3 should be about hope unu

[@Joe_markus]

I'd like to have DLC about Joel Hunter's years.

[@joeder4713]

Him and Tommy surviving

[@machix3504]

What dlc means

[@Velasco-vp1fh]

@@machix3504 downloadable content I think not sure lol

[@machix3504]

@@Velasco-vp1fh thanks

[@kathrine7498]

@@machix3504 Actually, means a background story before the events in the main story of a games. In Remastered there was a DLC where was showed how Ellie treated Joel after the incident at the University Colorado and her live with her friend Riley 3 weeks before meet Joel

[@AshtonDaKidd]

All I want is that Ellie ends up finding some sort of happiness and finds Dina and JJ.

[@pvgamer_6726]

When she got back to the house she already had the bracelet, that means she never lost them :))

[@jemuzu6882]

PVGAMER _ I can tell we watched the same anology 😂😂

[@jongcena2555]

Guys I just found out about doing a ride on reddit and stuffs like this. When Ellie (in the final) returns to the farm she wears Dina's bracelet (which she did not have in Santa Barbara), new clothes, she has no weapons and the wounds on her fingers have been closed. Do you know what this means? That the farm scene, the final scene, doesn't happen right after the bossfight with Abby, but later. It means that after almost killing Abby, Ellie returned to Jackson where she also found Dina (otherwise it is not clear who would have given him the bracelet) and on the farm she did not go hoping to find Dina, but only to play the guitar of Joel for the last time since this is like forgiving him. Ellie hasn't lost everything and the ending is not a sad ending, in the last scene Ellie is RETURNING to Jackson, where in all probability Dina is still waiting for her. I'm not sure Dina is in Jackson waiting for her, but the only SURE thing is that after the bossfight with Abby Ellie she returned to Jackson, and then left for the farm where she had left Joel's guitar.

[@jemuzu6882]

Un tizio a caso THIS IS WHAT IVE TRIED TELLING EVERYONE 😂😂, apart from I think she is back with Dina or hopefullyyy😂

[@Samuele-bo7sp]

I think that Ellie will die at the end.

[@NatzKulz]

I've literally lived my childhood and teenage years with this game and I'm gonna live my adulthood with it as well

[@Pickle1]

Literally in the excact same boat with you. I need a third to get some closure. The second while amazing just absolutely broke my heart.

[@bejnovgejming4439]

Same...favourite game

[@theaveragegamer1719]

Same babe

[@NatzKulz]

@@theaveragegamer1719 hello Cheems

[@swanihilator6748]

@@theaveragegamer1719 Still a better love story than Twilight.

[@kingsrky3931]

Guess we'll see in 7 years 😑

[@Johno1992]

Hopefully not

[@tmac326]

I don’t think most people will care by that point. Hell, I don’t think many people care about a Part 3 in general even if it comes in like 4-5 years instead of 7. The hype and interest are basically gone. ND screwed the pooch big.

[@Johno1992]

@@tmac326 yeah that's clear just look at the reception ghosts of tsushima has got conpared to tlou

[@KleWdSide]

@@tmac326 You have no idea what you're talking about, kid. Part 3 would sell just as well as the second, if not better.

[@Sunrise1781]

@@KleWdSide Nope, it wouldn't. I bought Part 2 and would never buy another one after this mess. You've no idea what you're talking about, "kid".

[@v8-v8]

When Ellie fought abby she didn’t have her bracelet on and at the end she does, I think Ellie already reunited with Dina and jj and are staying with jesses parents, you can find a note in the farm house from jesses parents saying that they could stay anytime sooo who knows

[@ryliery7889]

In my head that’s how the story has ended

[@pineapplesplash9166]

Yes. Also did Abby and lev actually make it to their destination? They surprised us with this new character now I wanna know what happen with them too.

[@meza189]

They did. After you finish the game, look were the boat is. They reached their destination

[@nvv2452]

@@ryliery7889 the story didnt end yet

[@teleprompt]

Wow. That's an incredible observation. I never thought of that!

[@drfaustus8694]

I think that in Part 3 Abby meets up with the fireflies but she's going to realize that the fireflies are not what it seems and that the fireflies want to use Ellie ( the Cure ) as political leverage to control the world and somehow it is going to draw a inner-conflict between Abby and the Fireflies in which Ellie and Abby are going to have to team up to take out the Fireflies.

[@thenewbiegamer9705]

I think this one is good.

Not too shabby, like her and Ellie team up to track down the surgeon needed to make the vaccine for genuine purposes and the fireflies end up being the villains.

[@Letssgog0]

@ exactly. That what I was thinking!

[@jonnyhill1239]

No don't do that, they already ruined the last of us 2 by having abbie kill joel off. I hate abbie so get her tfo

[@jahahataitin2220]

Holy shit 😂😂 that's actually really good wtf

[@yoseftv125]

As someone with PTSD, I really liked the ending of this game. This is just my opinion, but for me - At the end Ellie was suffering from PTSD, obviously - the not sleeping, not eating, the flashbacks, the going off by herself into the woods, and the feeling she had - that she HAD to go after Abby - is realistic, to me. Its difficult to describe to anyone without it, but PTSD can often feel like you are physically trapped with no way out of your own reality. That your whole life is closing in on you. That the past is forever there, suffocating you. Obviously you relive it through flashbacks, but it's more than that. It's more than just bad memories. When Ellie said she had to go after Abby, it was because she felt she had to, not because she wanted to - She wanted to stay with her new family, but she had to stop her brain reliving her traumatic past again and again. She had to escape the trap, and she felt that the only way out was to kill Abby - the person who, really, made her feel trapped to begin with. But i think she knew, deep down, it wouldn't help her escape. But hey, desperate times, amiright? When Ellie finally confronted Abby, what were her words? "I can't let you leave". She could have said anything else. "I won't let you leave", or "I'm going to kill you". Those would be words from someone confident, someone making the rules. But she didn't. Those words, "I can't let you leave" were very specific. They're the words of someone not in control - someone who feels they didn't make the decision. A soldier following orders would say "I can't let you leave". Or someone feeling like they had no choice in the matter, someone trapped - like Ellie. At the very end, Ellie didn't have to kill Abby. When she was on the verge of killing Abby, when Abby couldn't fight back and was about to drown, Ellie had basically won at that point. It didn't matter if Abby lived or died past that point, as there was nothing Abby could have done to change the outcome, and Ellie probably realised that she had "won". And it didn't help. There was no opening of the trap, it didn't fix anything, so she let Abby go and she wept. Still trapped. it wasn't until she got back, sat alone with the guitar she could no longer play, and thought about Joel and forgiveness that, maybe, she realised that the only was out of the trap was to forgive the mistakes of the past. Forgive yourself for not being able to change the past. Forgive others for being human. I dunno. Maybe i'm just seeing what i want to see, see what makes sense to me. But still, i liked the ending. :) People complain about it, saying Ellie didn't even get revenge against Abby. But they miss the fact that, Ellie already failed to get revenge when Abby stormed the theatre and kicked their asses and then let them all go (well... mostly everyone). Everything after the farmhouse - Ellie isn't going for revenge. She's going because she feels like she has to. To try fix herself.

[@luisfilipecunha805]

Amazing comment, man! I’ve thought about this game a long while after finishing it, wrote a little bit about it myself, but never, until now, had I seen the “I can’t let you leave” perspective be brought to the table. It’s insane how many different outlines this story can have - and yours is enlightening! Hope you’re doing well, have a great day!

[@yoseftv125]

@@luisfilipecunha805 thanks man i had the same issue like you just thinking about the game

[@pineapplesplash9166]

Yes I love ALL the specific details they put into the game.

[@pineapplesplash9166]

You were spot on in my opinion because I thought this too. Joel couldn’t let go of Sarah and pretty much he actions and not being able to let go effected two people lives and that’s Ellie and Abby. They both suffered from it differently.

[@tanitatjaeder7258]

as someone who is also diagnosed with PTSD: I thought the exact same. I'm a bit torn regarding my opinion about the whole game. I want to like it. Not just because I love the first game but also because the depiction of PTSD and the ending were so well executed.

[@FreeDom-lz4yg]

We need part 3 before the world ends for real

[@jacobgordon7998]

Yep. TLOU is optimistic in some ways. We may not have it so good in 2038.

[@FreeDom-lz4yg]

@@jacobgordon7998 no part 3 😥lol I don't think this is getting better

[@FreeDom-lz4yg]

People who are always looking for more will never stop and think about what is

[@moonmoon2479]

Nah, I would say forget it. Now that we know a world a chaos is now trying to make meaning of everything that happens in it, I don’t think this world is interesting or has value anymore. Either new characters completely or something new.

[@alinekcmorais]

I felt like the "liars" painted under the fireflies symbol is some kind of foreshadowing for part III.

[@aflahhaami8311]

I dont think so but maybe

[@ianchambers6191]

I think the liars symbol was to bring Ellie crashing back down to reality after having a great birthday with joel and deep down (at this point of the story) she knows but can't prove he's not been truthful with her

[@alinekcmorais]

@@ianchambers6191 in that context this is the obvious answer, yeah. But ND is obsessed with details, and Druckmann with hidden messages and foreshadowing, so... Guess we'll have to wait to see.

[@ExiledAssassin55]

@@ianchambers6191 It did serve that purpose. I'm curious as to why people are calling the Fireflies liars though.

[@carlosurquiza1021]

@@ExiledAssassin55 because they promised a cure but didnt have one in the end

[@Nicholaspimpinsohard]

I love these types of games because they really make you think, and plus it talks about real life situations too.

[@caiovargascomarella2996]

yes!

[@mikemike1779]

Yes

[@Thaibiohazard123]

Abby finds the firefly and turns out they’re still not giving up on finding the cure, which also means hunting Ellie. Abby, having learned her lessons, and reflecting on how Ellie forgave her after all, she withhold information about Ellie and Jackson town and try to steer them away. Firefly eventually found a lead to Jackson and attack the town and probably take Ellie away. Abby decides then and there to intervene and side with survivors of Jackson. Things go awkwardly since they have a dilemma about what she has done. But due to the circumstance, they team up (probably with Tommy, since Dina got a child) and go after the Firefly. Thus begins a redemption arc for Abby. Though Ellie wished she could have given her life for the cure, she can’t let it happen now since she’s having a life with Dina and her child and their camp was destroyed. She’s starting to feel how good it is to be alive, and thankful for what Joel did for her. He wanted her to live, and she couldn’t let him die for nothing. She decides to escape from the Firefly. And we switch back and forth between playing both characters until they find each other, then comes the final showdown. I feel like this would double down on the Part 2’s concept of forgiveness and breaking the cycle of revenge. And Part 3 would conclude on the concept of what can be born of forgiveness and redemption.

[@menuki95]

Love it.

[@johnnymcnou3374]

Damn... thats pretty good...

[@Grootiisfrooti]

that is nice plot

[@Perx51]

Firefly vs Jackson fight sounds interesting

[@meza189]

You nailed that bitch

[@eduardomartinez6414]

I really hope Ellie reunited with Dina and JJ in The Last of Us Part 3, where the story centers on Compassion/Empathy/Forgiveness.

[@kaibagtazo6322]

The way I see it Part 1: Love Part 2: Hate Part 3: Redemption

[@bigali2783]

Dina should’ve been yeeted not Jessie LMAO

[@dorkangel1076]

Ellie wearing Dina's bracelet at the end gives some hope.

[@infamouscrusader3363]

@@dorkangel1076 How? Dina and Ellie's relationship isn't in a good state. All it signifies is he has a place to go.

[@TehJakeify]

There’s evidence that she already did in Part 2. It’s possible she went back to Jackson (knowing Dina would go there) before she goes back to the house at the end of the game.

[@jeremycooper5076]

I didn't feel like the story was finished it needs a dlc

[@DonationKing411]

For real what happened to Dina who won between the scars and wolves how many left did Isaac die when he got shot but in last of us 3 I want to play as Abby or Lev that would be cool

[@dlyjohnnygarganotommasocia7975]

please don't dlc don't do it never do it story last of us part 3 next game😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡don't thinking

[@DonationKing411]

DlY johnny gargano tommaso ciampa English plz

[@carteblanco446]

@@DonationKing411 yes we need a dlc

[@Texasmade713]

DlY johnny gargano tommaso ciampa so u don’t want a tommy dlc about his 3 days in Seattle??? Or even a Tommy dlc of him going after Abby & lev and successfully killing them both??

[@blast5188]

If there is a 3rd it needs to give us Closure

[@inspv95]

Jay Woelk I’m hopping for that too, and it makes sense. The first was about Love, the second Hate and the last Closure

[@blast5188]

@@inspv95 yeah it would be a nice ending to the series and I dont really feel like waiting 7 years again

[@inspv95]

Jay Woelk right? It’s too much... but one good thing now is that the making of games for ps5 are much easier and faster, I’m hoping this will help short that time

[@blast5188]

@@inspv95 yeah I really wish that we get a new one soon

[@blast5188]

@@inspv95 the ending left me and a lot of other people wanting another game or just more that we could play

[@s3xylegend26]

I think naughty dog should make a third to close the story and make it trilogy. After that I’d be down for spin-offs exploring different characters like Ellie’s parents or Joel and Tommy’s early years during the outbreak.

[@Joy-boy-joy]

@Stephen Hough This story is much better than the first.

[@jakeboling4350]

I've been saying they need to do a prequel of Young Joel and Tommy surviving. That would be lit af!

[@potternutmania]

A dlc about tommys days in seattle, combined with flashbacks about his relationship with joel, maybe even with throwbacks to sarah

[@NoahF57]

Fire the man responsible for making one of the greatest story driven games in any medium? You must be outside your mind

[@Joy-boy-joy]

@@NoahF57 exactly my thoughts... I'm not sure where the disconnect is (likely the love for Joel), but this story amazes me.

[@KleWdSide]

"Her story isn't finished. No one's story is finished." As far I'm concerned... that's confirmation of "The Last of Us: Part III." Then again, I think anyone who isn't completely naive knew full-well that there would be a third after completing this game.

[@lowresolutionbunnyfeng3919]

A perfect trilogy. Only that Tlou 3 will probs come out at the end of the ps5 life cycle. And there needs to be a version that gets released on ps6 with Tlou 1, 2, and 3

[@KleWdSide]

@@lowresolutionbunnyfeng3919 It's definitely quite a while from now.

[@lowresolutionbunnyfeng3919]

Mister Sarajevo quick question, you from Bosnia?

[@KleWdSide]

@@lowresolutionbunnyfeng3919 Haha, nah. I actually live in Portland. My name is just an inspiration from the U2 song "Miss Sarajevo."

[@lowresolutionbunnyfeng3919]

Mister Sarajevo ah, I recognized Sarajevo in your name, that’s why, and I wonder if I just met a fellow Bosnian!

[@spoiledsalad1851]

Plot for the last of us part 3: Ellie awakens from a nightmare and she’s with Joel. Then Tommy looks at Ellie and Joel and says.... “Ya’ll got a towel or anything?” Then credits roll.

[@marcomarco6834]

That would be aweasome

[@ok-pn3it]

flying kitty? XD

[@spoiledsalad1851]

Arman Farnejad yep :)

[@kaylam3074]

Yes😂

[@theflashgordon193]

it would be fun if it was a joke secret ending

[@dxk65]

I feel like Ellie at least needs a part 3 since she ending on the "dark middle chapter" of a story. You could probably leave Abby's end up to speculation or maybe do the double perspective thing again but I feel Ellie is really the one that needs some type of closure.

[@vanillascrump]

the fact that abby and lev would’ve died had abby not spare ellie in the theatre is so wild it gave me chills, really goes to show that redemption is important

[@souljafaith]

The fanbase will be mad if they don’t make a part 3 because the end of part 2 is a huge cliffhanger

[@lethalsoldier8082]

They better make one

[@ezrasaurus930]

It's not though. Ellie and Abby just go. Who knows where, who cares where. There pathes crossed and then diverted.

[@Moonshine449]

I hope ellie wakes up in the car ride back from the hospital and tlou 2 was a dream

[@mkw3980]

Please let this be the case

[@giovannigiovanni.7220]

@@mkw3980 Joel already killed the doctor, so Part II still happens. How about this Joel, shoots the doctor in foot and then everything is fine.

[@mkw3980]

@@giovannigiovanni.7220 Fine with me. I shot the doctor in the foot and he still died, so Part II still happens. Lmao

[@replacableVessel]

Xavier Sandoval you loved it, okay, don’t need to say how you love this thing

[@phoenix_feather0179]

@@replacableVessel why cant people express why they love the game when so many people express why they hate it? Why not say the same thing to them? Baised much?

[@The_All_Fatter]

Man.. as time goes on, this story just becomes a lot more sensible and i just love it even more now.

[@Beyonder1987]

no it doesn't. Its still dumb and shit as the first

[@nightfrost1891]

@@Beyonder1987 okay so why are you here this is what i don't understand normal people if they don't like something don't like it and go about their own business the fact that people purposely go to videos about said hated subject or go into the twitter mentions of said people they didn't like the writing of is just extra and ridiculous and make you guys look like clowns because you're so obsessed with a game you hate not to mention a lot of these 'hate comments' aren't even critical or point out what they believe is wrong with the game it just short 'it's shit' or 'you killed joel' (which isn't a valid complaint because we all knew he'd die or would already be dead by watching the trailers anyway) or something bigoted about ellie's sexuality or the fact abby trained a lot (when she literally has plenty of food and a fancy gym at her disposal because she's a member of the wlf, female bodybuilders are a thing)

[@viniciusribeiro7279]

@@Beyonder1987 nah, the story is great

[@Gabriel-Tár]

@@Beyonder1987 If you didn't like the first as well is totally understandable, even though people who didn't like the first one but like the second one exist too (not just the other way around). I can't understand why you are here though. I would never spend my time watching videos related to franchises i don't like and even commenting hating it. I mean, have you spent money? Thats your problem

[@93King]

@@nightfrost1891 Exactly. I will never understand how people can dislike something, but then go out of their way to still involve themselves with the thing they claim to dislike.

[@johnsteel5347]

The last fight with Ellie and Abby had me in tears, begging Ellie to stop.

[@duncanb.a.s2886]

Oh man, I had the same experience :-) I love this game so so so much.

[@leroherrera6738]

we want more Abby

[@faithenas8816]

Same feels

[@teleprompt]

Me too. For me, that happened with the fight in the theatre.

[@Ri_5475]

I really need a last of us 3, the last of us 2 broke me emotionally so we need a third game and hopefully make Ellie happier and maybe hopefully reunite with Dina and JJ (if they didn't already cause Ellie has Dinas bracelet on in the end) and get back together just for the sake of Ellies happiness 😭

[@SmackNPie]

Same. We need TLOU3

[@b-retrogamer2324]

It’s not supposed to be a feel good story. It was meant to be brutal. That’s the point

[@eatmy.shorts6466]

I personally loved TLOUII. I can get why so many people don't, and I'll admit it has its faults, but I really enjoyed the game and can't wait for a part 3 :)

[@MarcusBakerX97]

This game suffers way too many faults. I feel like you’re not even trying to look up the videos of people criticizing the game to understand why people are angry and disappointed by TLOU Part 2 and tbh it’s some really great points, The Last of Us 2 lost the Heart and soul of the franchise, Joel and Ellie were the soul reason people brought this game. Everyone in this game comes out either dead or broken.

[@lala_1306]

Marcus Baker yes but then people leave out all the good things.

[@MarcusBakerX97]

cdtZx4811 only a few leave out the good, but a majority do talk about the good with this game like for example the risk of naughty dog going for this narrative, “this Change is impactful and we definitely need more of that In-gaming because this is the reason why the modern warfare 1-3 and Black Ops 1-2 Grand theft Auto ,Metal Gear etc etc is beloved in gaming...because they took risk” ,they also talk about how beautiful the game is and how well animated the characters are and even the A.I being fantastic plus talk about how well the sound design of this game is and how it’s better than a lot of other games and even battle royales in generation etc etc. I didn’t like this game at all and regardless of my frustrations I looked up videos on why fans love this game and why people genuinely hate or dislike it and overall the criticism are way too valid due to the many inconsistencies,plot holes (various more of other problems of the story with some creators having blind hate towards the game that they’re unable to look beside the good things(these are the ones you’re referring towards) vs the fictional narrative of this sequel story with some creators being very non-genuine to their audience to make a quick buck and get in good graces with not just Sony and Naughty Dog but also some gaming social media sites

[@lala_1306]

Marcus Baker not true. If you add both the good and bad you would see it’s not a bad game. Maybe not a good game but definitely not bad

[@MarcusBakerX97]

cdtZx4811 Just because the game has something good within it, it can still be a bad game, why you think people still play Ride to hell retribution, Resident Evil 6, Call of Duty Infinite Warfare those are an example of bad games but they still have a charm to it that some other games can’t provide.

[@TheSiddyVicious]

I feel like it’d be regressive of Ellie to walk away from Jackson. That isn’t taking responsibility for her actions. It’s just running away from them. Sure it’s really poetic to think she just walks off into the unknown but I feel like Naughty Dog gives more substance to its stories than that.

[@jonnyhill1239]

Their story already sucks so it doesn't matter, they killed the best character off in the most discusting disrespectful way then they also kill Jesse off then try to make us like abbie, nah fuck that

[@TheKillaShow]

Id bet anything you never see Jackson again.

[@tonytony8872]

More substance?....they sold you the same uncharted story 3 times in a row lol

[@SlowWinterNuts]

@@jonnyhill1239 That's not really an argument. Naughty Dog killing their best character off in such a way that they did is what majorly helped make their story so good; The story wouldn't have worked as well as it did if they didn't kill Joel like that, since you needed to feel what Ellie felt. And Jesse was killed because that's just the nature of death - Real death isn't ceremonious like some of the movies you probably watch, death often happens in a flash, before you can even prepare yourself, and that's what makes the deaths in TLOU2 so great, because they really feel like _real_ deaths, to make you grieve as truly as possible, and it even extends to the enemies you kill too, because yes, they are real people that you're killing with real friends and family. And you're supposed to like Abby because her story, life, and character are just as valid as Ellie's, you're supposed to question and doubt your own selfish desires you felt riding behind Ellie, and finally learn to understand what Abby grew to understand after befriending an innocent youth of an enemy faction, and eventually what Ellie grew to understand by the end of the game: Let go of your selfish hate towards others, and finally learn to forgive. The people at the end of the game who _still_ wanted Ellie to kill Abby are the same people who have underdeveloped capacities for forgiveness, and are often more susceptible to demonizing the "other", and this game only teaches us that there's _a lot_ of people out there in the world who still have a lot of work to do on themselves.

[@consciousa6145]

Slow Winter Nuts This comment 🌟🙌🏾

[@merveuyar7490]

Ashley Johnson is the most unique woman for me. She explained really clear and beautiful. I hope Ellie finds happiness in the end.

[@DesaitYT]

I have heard/read/watched many different opinions of this game, ranging from 10/10 masterpiece to flawed trash, and while listening to this podcast I feel like people are putting waaay more thought/interpretation into that game than the developers themselves. I still find it hard to rate an opinion as "false" just because it wasn't intended by the creator. I mean, what you take away from the story is ultimately your choice, isn't it?

[@Timbo5000]

With any piece of art, interpretation is more important than the intention of the creator. This definitely applies to the story of TLoU2, imo.

[@93King]

You're right. Art should always be interpreted in accordance to how that individual feels when they experience it because art is subjective. The problem is when individuals take their interpretations and project it on to others then berating them because their opinions differ from theirs.

[@sgtmian]

King i don’t know if i consider "flawed trash" an opinion, but that’s me.

[@93King]

@@sgtmian I don't feel it's *a* well worded opinion, but if someone doesn't like something then that's their opinion.

[@DesaitYT]

@@sgtmian Tbh it just was the first term that came into my mind. I just wanted to refer to those who gave it a 0/10.

[@lightworker165]

It's so good to know these in-depth words from those talented minds in Naughty Dog. Hopefully, I can witness a harmonious ending of Ellie and Abby in part 3, in my lifetime.

[@crashpal]

Just Ellie. You sure want Abby to be part of that?

[@mrkaiser7827]

@@crashpal well, I do. Talking for myself. But I actually liked Abby. She and Ellie are my most favourite characters (after Joel of course))) in these games universe.

[@eliasbonafe9236]

@@crashpal of course :) Abby is a damn good char. And now she became a positive char.

[@Medieval_Duck]

crashpal yeah I believe everyone deserves a shot at redemption. Abbeys a pretty interesting character also

[@lightworker165]

Of course we all love Ellie, but as you go through the game for several times you will grow your fond of Abby. She is a person quite attentive, and can let go of any burdens easily. Ellie is different.

[@jonathanfan8813]

I believe the Part 2 ending is a tragic ending, read through her poem then you know she was thinking about suicide. I think part 3 will not have a big time jump. The firefly regroup can be that they found a new group of medical experts or scientists in another country like in Mexico or even places like Japan if bold enough, and then Abby and Lev tries to reach out to Ellie. Meanwhile, Ellie, got hit to the rock bottom, journeying in the US, purposeless, ran into a travelor who is a really kind heart, outgoing, even intellectual young man(idea comes from Walter O'Brien from Scorpion, highly intellectural), but never had combat training, who is looking for his family or something(grew up in QZ, high level education, and got separated from his family due to a social disturbance stuff). A lot of side stories along the journey, tries to save up stranded travelers a couple of times. That young man can be really good at playing music instruments, brings up a lot of intriguing stuff, and makes him feel like the young Ellie. Let the 2/3 of the story to go along with this character, then gives an heroic death to this character when he tries to save a bunch of travelors or Ellie. The death sparks Ellie's life purpose, she learns the leason to live a life with a spirit. Someday, Abby reaches Ellie and Ellie agrees with meeting up with the doctors to extract the sample from her body. But this time, the medical staff only extract a small portion of the corticeps which is not life threatening. After that there can be a big time jump, Ellie returns to Jackson, seeing Jackson growing into a city of over 10K population, has its own government, own law, stardized military, etc. And Ellie becomes a combat officer in the Jackson military, leading the troops clears out the infected migration every year, and finds her peace with Joel. Do you guys think this can be a good story template? I mean the idea actually comes from Resident Evil where Chris got hit into rock bottom by his first partnar's death but finds himself with the second partnar, and becomes a person who lives the life with an open heart bravely moves on after his second partnar's death.

[@michaelpathiakis2740]

That’s soooooo good

[@proudbeanerii3810]

No that's too cliche and knowing how much the internet gamers are , they will bitch and whine about it .

[@jonathanfan8813]

Proud Beaner II we should let all hardcore fans to to really write a fiction for the part 3, that will be really cool, I personally want to try it

[@alessm.t4519]

I think she was already at rock bottom i don't believe she will be in a bad place after what happened

[@denji5426]

this is amazing, i would love to play this!

[@KoujiInfected91]

The joy in abby’s voice after someone picked up makes me wanna hug her then slap her for killing joel then hug her again and tell her i get why you did it :c . I hope we get a wicked and messed up team up between ellie and abby in TLOU3 this game hurts so deep its amazing

[@gamesArader]

Bro naughty dog manipulated tf outta you.

[@KoujiInfected91]

gamesArader i’ve always been a fan of naughty dog ever since crash ps1 but no TLOU is my absolute favorite game and part 2 was great i wouldn’t change a thing about it it’s just not alot of people get it they just want a boring revenge story killing the killer the end without taking a deeper look into the whole situation . And abby is a good character i actually really like her people are hating on her because she killed joel other than that there’s nothing to hate about her but that’s just my opinion no manipulation is done here :D

[@sgtmian]

@@gamesArader hate to break it to you, but that's all storytelling is. manipulating you into feeling. if you let it, that is.

[@eliasbonafe9236]

@@gamesArader "manipulate".. Yeah I bet you didn't like tlou part 2 right?

[@gamesArader]

@@KoujiInfected91 you like her because naughty dog wrote in a bunch of stuff to influence you into liking her when she's not an interesting character. Tlou 2 was all about there being 2 sides to the story except when she killed Joel she never once asked him his side of the story she blew his knee off with a shotgun 2 seconds after he stated his name to her friends. Didn't even know if it was Joel Miller she just assumed it he could of been joel Jones for all she knew. She's a sadistic murderer and had naughty dog not wrote in the characters of lev and lara literally out of no where she wouldn't be interesting at all you're letting naughty dog manipulate you by bringing in 2 kids instead of thinking for yourself and realizing the story is absolutely terrible abbys character and her "development" being the crux of all of it. like how do we make people care about someone they should dislike oh I know bring in a kid to make the hard rugged individual with a troubled past grow and change from the love they develop for said kid. Sound familiar? N.D. literally recycled the story of joel and ellie onto abby and lev and excepted itd do well and were surprised and shocked when it didn't. How is the story original and not boring at all?

[@grmp1992]

For people saying Ellie and Abby might team up in part 3... you guys forgot about Abby going back to fireflies... what does fireflies do? Save humanity by setting things back to normal.... how can they do that?? Finding a cure.... Ellie is the cure... Abby knows that Ellie is immune... so fireflies would probably hunt Ellie...

[@MarcosSilva-qi7tw]

Yoooo, ngl that's a great plot

[@semirasani2240]

this is what i was thinking. abby may be ellies enemy again or maybe she goes against the fireflies because she doesnt want to cause ellie any more pain after everything they both did to each other. i think a cool ending for part 3 is if dina or abby(if not ellies enemy) end up getting bit and are now on a time clock to die as their mind slowly starts to break from the cordyceps and in the end ellie sacrifices herself for the cure and dina or abby who is bit ends up being the first test subject since they were gonna die otherwise anyway, turns out the cure works and all of the suffering for once paid off

[@harpreetmangat195]

What if they create a cure early on, and Ellie and Abby go globe trotting with fireflies to disperse the cure, new infected and groups, we see Tokyo and Iceland and Egypt and what not.

[@mkw3980]

@@harpreetmangat195 cool idea for sure, but no chance it would happen. Lol

[@mkw3980]

@@semirasani2240 I think this is a huge possibility

[@haleynichole9747]

Im really hoping for a part 3 of this game . It was heartbreaking but it was a really fun game to experience and I’d be heartbroken if there wasn’t a third one .

[@Letssgog0]

Let's hope that they will bring Abby back for part 3! Like her or not she is an important character now! I hope they didn't just introduce her just so to leave her on the side!

[@veganvvarrior]

I liked Abby. But Ellie is the main character, and a trilogy should be her story. Abby as very important to let the players grow or at least understand why Ellie have grown and evolved. I would be perfectly fine with just ending a game with Ellie. And since the game has a very realistic approach there would be little to no sense that Abby and Ellies path was crossed again.

[@Timbo5000]

She's not an important character at all. Her story arc is complete and there is not much more to explore there, much like Joel's story arc was complete in TLoU. Furthermore, TLoU2 is still primarily about Ellie and the story of Abby serves to give the player insight into how Ellie's demonised vision of Abby is causing her to go on a vengeful rampage that only destroys herself and those around her. Abby's gameplay is designed to get us to see how Ellie is making a dire mistake by insisting on revenge and definitely takes a second place to Ellie's own story. So Abby's story is essentially a (big) subplot that is complete, not really of any importance for the future. But of course it is always possible to bring her back and create a new plot. That would imo not be advisable as the relationship between Ellie and Abby seems fully explored to me. I don't think there can be a game with both Ellie and Abby after this, only a story with either one of them and in that case it'll always be Ellie. I mean, they killed off Joel because his story arc was completed in TLoU and the relationship between Ellie and Joel was sufficiently explored (could obviously have been explored more, considering Joel's actions in the ending, but it was sufficiently explored to move on). In the case of Abby and Ellie there are even less story telling potential than there was for another Ellie/Joel story. I'd say the best way forward is a last Ellie game, in which her stories draws to a close.

[@lanabeniko5147]

@@veganvvarrior I agrre i would like too play it as Ellie the full Story.Maybe a short one as they did with Ellie in TLOU

[@mindilynn2585]

After this one. I don't think I'll even buy part three.

[@Letssgog0]

@@mindilynn2585 your choice!

[@jonathanescobar2943]

The ominous boat screen always reminded me of children of men

[@bautistaballesty5256]

If the last of us 3 centers around abby and lev count me out, just saying

[@sbj97]

Facts

[@AladynG]

me 2

[@TalkingBook72]

Why?

[@aracnide5051]

This shit storm is getting ridiculous, just saying

[@fire_playz5110]

Yeah their story wasn't as interesting as playing as ellie

[@ronaldragupathi952]

"People hate what they don't understand"

[@huseyinhuseyin6854]

Maybe they think they’re clever

[@crashpal]

@@huseyinhuseyin6854 they have the same mindset that people of Sodom and Gomorah had who couldn't understand Lot

[@jasonblack2477]

Uhm the game and story are far from perfect. And people criticize it and they understood the game. BUT just because something is explained does not make it good

[@ronaldragupathi952]

@@jasonblack2477 what would u say is ur take away from the story, what angered you?

[@FadeintotheShadows]

People also hate what they understand completely.

[@jaymelee8236]

This is the first interview I’ve heard so far and her voice makes me wanna cry?!😩

[@michaelstump7508]

What clickbate, not a single word on the last of us 3.

[@marchedgemon1655]

Yea but I would have felt better if Neil druckman said those words since he’s the one who decides if there will be a part 3. that would feel like conformation to me but coming from Ashley it doesn’t necessarily confirm anything

[@TheeDevilWearsPrada]

Its been confirmed that naughty dog are making a new game right NOW according to the job offers they posted... either its TLOU3 or something completely different... who knows.

[@gabriellag4542]

The picture for It was clickbait for me. I thought they were gonna play it because I'm dumb and it said part three SL I was like, cool part three of game play

[@AceroKarina228]

There definitely gonna do part 3 but I wouldn’t expect it anytime soon at all

[@KleWdSide]

"Nobody's story is finished." I'd say that's indicative that there's more to tell & Part 2 will not be the last.

[@Mandalore.The.Hero7]

Dina gave up on Ellie. So it makes sense if Ellie doesn’t go looking for her. But we definitely need a part 3 despite some of the fans disagreement of part 2. Either in part 3 Ellie takes up Joel’s mantle and she fines a young kid, trying to protect the kid, train the kid like how Joel did with Ellie and trying to make up for what happen with her and Joel. Or maybe she just pushes through, survives and actually fine some fireflies survivors and fight them like what Joel did. Many possible outcomes in part 3. But all in all we need a part 3 of last of us and without question 💯

[@joethar5750]

I am hoping so much they continue with Ellie even though I loved lev and Abby I feel that Abby's story is complete but Ellie's isn't. Either way I can't wait for a part 3

[@eliasbonafe9236]

What about an Ellie/Abby team?

[@xenozorr8739]

True. But I think Part 3 should start with Abby & Lev and the Fireflies, then switch to Ellie, Dina, JJ, Tommy, and Jackson. Or Ellie somewhere in the world. Also, I think because Ellie & Abby closed their revenge cycle, they need to reunite with the Fireflies to find the cure.

[@eliasbonafe9236]

@Champion well, actually I think the ending of part 2 is a (sad) good ending because both didn't want to kill each other anymore. So Abby wouldn't fight Ellie and viceversa. So if they put them together with a common purpose... they could team up :D

[@sancheezzzy2712]

I truly think Ellie was heading back to Dina & JJ back in Jackson. She has Dina bracelet on, she never had that one when she went to Santa Barbra. I am 90% Dina gave it back to her, & there was a note from Jesses parents saying Ellie, Dina, & JJ are welcome to stay at Jackson anytime they want to come back. Then Ellie wounds look healed, she probably went to the farm house to just get some alone time to clear her mind. Also if Dina did leave, I am 100% sure she would've left a note behind for Ellie giving her a reason why she left.

[@zaheerbhuya]

Sancheezy Dina is probably at Jackson but it’s still uncertain if Ellie is going back

[@sancheezzzy2712]

Zaheer Bhuya true but it’s the theory of Ellie having a good ending & it’s all because of the bracelet but I guess we’ll find out either in part 3 or a DLC or even just a confirmation lol

[@spedivan7596]

i agree with you but she’s probably not going back to jackson like its game and she might start a new life to make the game more interesting

[@brd1391]

Exactly!!!!!! Ellie❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@carteblanco446]

@@zaheerbhuya well I need my ship to sail

[@begobertran9739]

Part III would be amazing! I know that naughty dog's aim isn't having complete closure for every character, but getting a bit of it over Joel's death through Ellie would be stunning.

[@huseyinhuseyin6854]

No I don’t think soo

[@carteblanco446]

@@huseyinhuseyin6854 YASSGAGAYASS

[@infamouscrusader3363]

It's not funny how those who defend the game say Ellie does that already yet say things like this. Just goes to show how correct the other side is.

[@dinostronaut]

Issac Moreno retribution and getting over someone are 2 different things.

[@infamouscrusader3363]

@@dinostronaut They usually go hand to hand.

[@shifterbbr1986]

Imagine Ellie and Abby getting together, they would be brutally unstoppable. 🔥🔥

[@FloxY1991]

Just a gameplay with ELLIE, no second or third character!

[@imnotwadewilsonsee3656]

I would like to see TLOU 3 with a storyline like this. Ellie will be watching Dina and JJ in the background and see how happy they seem so she will decide to go find the fireflies and try to let them create a cure ultimately for Dina and JJ. Then Abby will realize that the fireflies are divided into two factions, one who legitimately wants to save the world and another who wants power, and will do what Joel did in the first game and save Ellie. Then they both work together to bring down the corrupt faction of the fireflies. And the end of the game leaves Ellie and the player with the choice of the cure or Ellie winning back Dina.

[@JumpingMuffinGirl]

OMG I like this a lot! I can totally imagine this and it's actually not a stretch for Ellie and Abby to kinda sorta forgive each other if the story goes like that.

[@imnotwadewilsonsee3656]

Ellie P. I could see Abby’s motives being something along the lines of the corrupt fireflies tarnishing the memories of her father. I’m not sure exactly what Ellie’s motives would be though. Any ideas?

[@ausemthraya894]

Imnotwadewilson See Ellie’s motives would be simple to help with the cure to creat a better world for Dina and jj

[@ausemthraya894]

Idk about the choice because like what choice does she have to make is Dina and jj kidnapped because Ellie would be stupid out of her mind to not let them creat a cure if Dina and jj are just sitting at Jackson

[@imnotwadewilsonsee3656]

Ausem Thraya right. I was referring to more of the fighting alongside Abby. There would need to be some motivation to risk her life and the chance for the cure to not just allow them to sort it out without her there

[@zaheerbhuya]

I feel like if they made abbys character more likeable and didnt show us abby holding Ellie at gunpoint right before her side of the story but AFTER, it would’ve been received better. Leaving us on a cliffhanger and making us play as Abby for ten hours wasn’t a very good idea. Should’ve just showed us abbys story right after Ellie goes back to the theatre and them show us everything that goes down in the theatre

[@Hornet5561]

Humbly disagree, that was the best moment to switch timelines imo. Can you imagine how weird it would have been if we abruptly jumped to Abby's timeline without establishing her within the sequence? It would have been Ellie walking into the theatre, cut to black, and then...Abby running through the forest? Wouldn't have worked at all. And even if you mean after their fight in the theatre, what would be the point of allowing the player to experience that sequence only to repeat it 10 hours later as a different character, especially when you know it's EXACT outcome? Every bit of tension, intrigue and emotional conflict would be completely lost, and the player undoubtedly would have ZERO investment in Abby's story because they already know what happens.

[@ronaldragupathi952]

i guess there is a reason why she isnt as likable as you would have wanted her to be. she spend most of the time training to become this killing machine, she might have lost touch with reality and to make things worse her previous "friends" were very much using her. she becomes more human as she interacts with Yara and Lev.

[@zaheerbhuya]

Brad Worsman no i definitely don’t mean after the fight. I think it would’ve worked better if it was when Ellie tommy and Jesse were chilling in the theatre, I’m sure they could’ve smoothly transitioned to Abby running in the forest. When I was playing as Abby, the whole time I just wanted to get back to modern day because Ellie was at gunpoint. But guess what? We play as Abby for 10 hours and I’m sure most people weren’t very happy about that. Not hating on the game I’m just saying a minor change like this would’ve made a major positive change

[@zaheerbhuya]

Ronald Ragupathi the change I wanted to see in her personally was regret for (mostly for torturing Joel). But her regret is too subtle. She only really says that she’s a bad person, she doesn’t sleep well and maybe something else I forgot. Naughty dog could’ve changed her character a bit to show more regret like with Ellie when she tortured Nora and killed Mel.

[@huseyinhuseyin6854]

Nobody loves her

[@jamaicapino4630]

Watching the ending again made me feel that exact same feeling of sadness when I finished the game!

[@asadbashir3199]

Ellie’s character was deconstructed to make way for Abby and Lev to take over the franchise

[@leonardosouza9249]

I don't think so

[@randomserbianguy5677]

What a time to be alive...

[@mystrangeaddiction5646]

Oh nonono. I mean that would be pretty cool, but... Ellie... Ooh what would be bomb is if Dina was a playable character along with Ellie, like tlou1😇❤

[@dylansmarr8704]

It wasn't, I wonder what would you do if ons of your loved one die in front of your eyes, who you couldn't forgive. No offense, just theory

[@Johno1992]

Dude just wait for uncharted 5 nates daughter is a lesbian panbitransgender who's out for revenge for sully nate and elana being murdered but by the end she forgives the killer and falls in love with her the end perfect 10 out of 10 fucking masterpiece

[@ssnewp2340]

People hated on this tlou2 as soon as the leaks came out and refused to give it a chance. I saw the leaks, expected the worst, and ended up playing a fantastic game. I'm always amazed at how some people can miss the entire point of the story. "Ellie should have killed Abby", did you not see where revenge got everyone? Anyone who seeked revenge ended up wounded, hurt, or dead. Ellie finally saw this at the end, and chose to end the cycle of violence. She decided to see Joel not as the old man beaten to death on the cold floor, but instead as the father figure who loved her. She got over her trauma

[@elilian7105]

I agree, the game is amazing, such a deep story.

[@ssnewp2340]

@@evolution7354 I respect your viewpoint of the game, I guess the only counterpoint I'd have is the bit about Ellie not shooting Abby. In my opinion, it's similar to why Abby didn't just shoot Joel. She tortured him because of the pain his actions had caused her, and at that moment in time she wasn't acting rationally. She probably should have just killed him quick and avoided the whole mess. Similarly, Ellie wouldn't have killed Abby with a gun, because Abby gave Ellie a chance to live in their fight beforehand. Maybe she was trying to honour her a small bit in that way. Despite her words of just wanting to end it all, Ellie held genuine hatred towards Abby and wanted her to suffer. At least, that's my viewpoint of the final fight

[@dorkangel1076]

@@evolution7354 The real consequence of Joels decision for him was losing Ellie, not being killed in the Lodge. He didn't know who killed him, but he knew whoever it was, he probably deserved it and he accepted his fate knowing Ellie still loved him. Ellie is as much damaged by his lie as she is by his death. We are seeing the consequences of what his lie did to Ellie. When she tries to remember Joel, every memory is tainted by his lie. With Abby, she didn't just want Abby dead, she wanted to be the one to do it. She's been picturing Abby from the last time they met at the Theatre from nearly two years ago, imagining the showdown. But when she finds Abby she's a shadow of her former self. A bit of the old Ellie shows pity and cuts her down. Abby shows no aggression, no interest in fighting and only cares for Lev. She doesn't treat her as an enemy and tells her where the boats are so they can escape. She is conflicted. This isn't the Abby she has been imagining. Part of her wants to walk away and let it go and she almost does, but then she gets the flash of Joel's battered face. She could just stab Abby in back but she needs to instigate a fight. She needs to beat her. It's only at the point of killing Abby she gets the flash of her last memory ofJoel on the porch. That is her "Lev" moment and she pulls back. It's up to us to decide why and I think there are a lot of options. For me it was seeing some of Joel in Abby. Not the Joel who lied to her and hurt her but the Joel who was loving and protective. Who would fight tooth and nail and sacrifice everything for someone he loved. I think she had forgotten that in the end they were able to reconcile and he died knowing she did love him. I think she realised that Tommy had been right and this wasn't what Joel wanted. Yes, he would have hunted Abby to the ends of the earth and killed her without remorse if the situation was reversed but that's because he's Joel. He would never have wanted her to do that for him. In the end, the song was his not hers. If he was ever to lose her he would lose himself, but he would never want her to lose herself for him. In defeating Abby she regained the ability to finally choose who she wanted to be. In sparing Abby, she exorcises her demons and our Ellie re-emerges.

[@dorkangel1076]

@@evolution7354 That beating he got was pretty drawn out. Joking aside, the consequences of his actions are drawn out through Ellies story and in her actions and flashbacks. Ellies story is the cost she paid for his lie. Abby's story is the cost she paid for him killing her dad. Nowhere in the either game is it hinted that Marlene had a daughter? In fact if anything Ellie was the closest thing she had to a daughter, which is part of the wrong Joel does by killing her and hiding it from Ellie. If a daughter suddenly pops up now you'd have the same internet fury. I agree that I don't think Abby's flashbacks worked as well as Ellies. Ellies felt like memories, Abby's (bar the first one which was her recurring dream) felt more like exposition and them trying to match Ellies story. But I never felt they were flashbacks within flashbacks as I saw Abby's story as a totally separate story that just happened to also contain flashbacks. Cultists worked fine for me. They gave an interesting juxtapose to the WLF and I liked the Lev, Yara and Abby dynamic. I had no problem with the Joel and Ellie parallel, it was both similar and different. Deaths are often shocking, why is that an issue? Jesse got to live on through his son (JJ). His parents visit them at the farm and it's most likely Dina has gone to live with them after Ellie leaves. Dina also uses his death as one of the things to try and get Ellie to stay at the farm so he didn't just get erased from existence like you claim. The Fireflies stood for the hope of a better world and a chance to look for the light.

[@twodayhero5139]

The thing thats messes up with the game is that, how they pieced it all together during dev, actor, and director conversation, isn't how gameplay worked out. I don't mind the story, I don't mind Abby or Ellie both going down this destructive path and losing all, but how everything rolled out didn't make sense first playing the game. It was more like A, C, Z, B, E instead of A, B, C, D, E, F, G...

[@kingslayer5761]

For part 3, I kinda feel like that Abby and Ellie might meet again and team up,

[@frizzily9293]

Nah, Neil already said he doesn’t want that “bat man and super man” effect where two fighting characters team up against a bigger threat

[@lightworker165]

Yeah, shake hands bro.

[@semirasani2240]

dina or abby(if not ellies enemy) gets bit and are on a time clock to turn and their mind starts to have problems as the infection takes over, ellie sacrifices herself and whichever of those 2 got bit are the first test subjects since they were gonna die anyway, cure works, sad ending but with the closure the series needs

[@ignaciolopez-fu4mo]

This is even wore that the last of us 2 actual plot.

[@kingslayer5761]

@@ignaciolopez-fu4mo parents make mistakes, and she made A BIG MISTAKE MAKING YOU

[@gazza7693]

The real world had a bigger emotional reaction to the story than the characters in the game did, for the people in the world of TLOU it was just another day, for many in real life it was a harrowing, stressful depressing event that has scarred them for life. Well done Neil Druckmann and Halley Gross and their writing staff for stuff like this, I'm sick of lame predictable comfort fiction in most video games, this was proper shit done gritty and raw and it will be remembered and discussed for decades to come, that I am damn sure of especially when it comes to PC platform. (2020 Sony deal)

[@frietpan8917]

I want to see a Last of us game with Tommy and Joel as the main characters right after or a couple of years after joel's daughter got killed, because in both games you hear that Joel and Tommy did some pretty nasty stuff to people, especially Joel. I want to know their story.

[@meh23p]

I just cannot believe that Ellie won’t at least try to get back to Dina and JJ at some point. I understand she has to spend some time alone now that she has confirmation that Dina couldn’t wait for her to return and probably went back to Jackson to be with Jesse’s parents. But for her to never return is too depressing to think about. She really missed them and she cares about her Potato. Maybe Dina moved on and found another partner, but still, she’s got to try.

[@Pouncingpuma7]

A story of redemption can only be as powerful as it's complementary story of decent. That's what makes a part 3 exciting to think about. Part 2 was of course heartbreaking, but it gives part 3 the potential to be something incredible.

[@ZeyZemZer]

Ellie’s voice is forever stuck in my heart.

[@mattbf0289]

What I would do for Part 3 would be Abby and Ellie work together to make a cure and after the cure is made Ellie gets to survive. They fast forward in time and the ending scene would be Ellie, Dina, Abby, Lev, Maria and Tommy all sitting together at a table. That would be my final scene for the final game

[@tegelsoep]

In Part III you will wake up and then realize that part II was a dream

[@huseyinhuseyin6854]

Please

[@harpreetmangat195]

Robon plz no

[@crashpal]

@@harpreetmangat195 yes like Mario 2. And Mario 3 was an awesome game

[@harpreetmangat195]

crashpal cuz TLOU =mario

[@MarkGarza94]

I can't accept the ending of part 2. It just doesn't feel right at all.

[@franklinlara1831]

I mean, I don’t think you were supposed feel good about the events of the game. I think this game made it very clear what revenge leads to

[@MrCallumWooding]

Neither can I the ending is terrible

[@meza189]

Your mourning a fictional characters death man relax. Give it some more time. If it makes you feel any better, ellie did get revenge by killing most of abbies friends/co workers her lover and the fucking baby momma, even the dogs lol bear was the name of one and you can play fetch with him when you play as abby

[@andreaman89]

In the third part (if there will be), I'd like to see maybe either a kind of spin-off with other characters (but always connected with the characters of the part I and part II) or the Joel's past, during the 20 years between Sarah's death and the first chapter of the game 😊

[@MarcosSilva-qi7tw]

Thank u, naughty dog, for teaching some players that revenge is not that answer, first I couldn't understand why, but if u think about it, having ur dad's killer in front u, ur feelings get mixed up, and ellie going through PTSD, Revenge and redemption, it really was a great game. Thanks

[@harpreetmangat195]

Marcos Silva And that hate doesn’t bring closure, acts of love and selflessness is what will heal us.

[@akshaykhatri1531]

I have a solid story for part 3 Please don't read further if you don't want spoilers coz i am 100% certain this will happen like 100% Here it goes The ending we saw in part 2 with ellie playing guitar and leaving it behind is the true ending for part 3 yes you heard it right and also its ending for the trilogy So part 3 take place right after boat fight when abby and lev leave with their boat just as they leave isaac comes there yes isaac is alive we didn't see his die as he took bullets on his back and no one mentioned that isaac died in game which means he comes there for revenge from abby and lev just as tommy go information about where abby was in Santa Barbara isaac too got this information and comes there for revenge as yara hit him with bullets and we all know how much he hates scars (lev is kid and he was willing to kill him) Now as ellie was about to leave on her boat she sees isaac came to kill abby and lev ellie leave to protect abby Now abby and ellie have common enemy i.e. isaac now as abby reached where she was going in her boat she finds that to reach fireflies she has to take on long journey kinda same as part 1 where joel and ellie went on to find fireflies But abby got stopped by isaac and team but as i said ellie is behind her and came to rescue abby and lev There will be Long fight on there journey together with abby, ellie and lev Somehow after defeating they reach fireflies and find out they are working on vaccine and merlene (most likely is alive) Why i am saying merlene is alive coz we never see her take bullet when joel shoot this will be a big twist Even if merlene is not alive there has been someone who is working on vaccine upon reaching there ellie volunteers for vaccine and is willing to sacrifice herself for the humankind Now the biggest twist happens right here Abby does not let ellie do the sacrifice but she herself is going to volunteer as she is also immune yes you heard it right this is already proved that she is immune in part 2 but not many people noticed it Here is how remember when ellie bit that cannibal guy in part 1 while fighting amd what did she said to him Ellie said she bit him and she is infected and now he is infected too and we can notice how ever so slightly he did change while fighting ellie but before he could turn ellie killed him it takes few days to fully take virus to show infection and make them zombie Now come back to the ellie and Abby's fight at theater where jesse died in one of the cut scene ellie bites abby in the arm Now after year or so later if abby was not immune how come she didn't turned Abby was immune here is one more argument that when merlene asks Abby's father if abby would have been immune would he do the same with abby too he said nothing absolutely nothing such a bigot he was maybe not he did what any father would do which is protect their child but he is bigot coz he was willing to sacrifice ellie who is also someone's daughter Now abby learned she is immune when ellie bit her and thats why she felt regret for what she does Remember when abby leaves the theater with giving ellie warning if she ever sees her she will kill her But she was not willing to fight ellie at boat scene all of a sudden which is contradictory Also remember when abby shot joel with shotgun and asks him 'do you remember me' it shows that they have met before in the first part of game which will be revealed in part 3 by abby Also joel knew whats going to happen when he saved abby but he knew it is inevitable and this might hurt ellie too so he decides to give out his name which he never did in part 1 hence killing himself one final time to save ellie Now in the fireflies place when abby finds out ellie is sacrificing herself for cure she will stop ellie and sacrifice herself hence saving ellie This all happens in the time of few weeks after the boat event Ellie safely travels back to jackson where she met dina and jj and tommy and told them what happened Then ellie went in to their farmhouse and we saw what happened there Remember in the last scene she is not surprised or said anything upon entering the house and seeing it empty coz she already met dina and jj in jackson Also notice there is a bracelet in her hand when she reaches here which was not in her hand when she was fighting abby at boat scene people already noticed it and concluded that she met dina before and she gave her this but i argue it wasn't dina's bracelet but rather it was from abby she gave a souvenir to ellie before she dies sacrificing herself for vaccine She came to farmhouse to pick her guitar which was given by joel but realising she can't play and this guitar will always remind him of joel so she left it there and we just saw the ending of trilogy I am 100% sure this will happen and Naughty Dogs has already begin working on the part 3 even before part 2 was released as they wanted to make all of this in 1 game but realised they can split in two parts to fully milk the cow and giving us a trilogy They know we will be angry by what happens in part 2 so part 3 is going to be chill happy ending kinda Also part 3 would not take 7 years or 10 years to release but it will be released within 5 years as In one of the interview from Neil Druckmann said they worked on part 2 for 1.5 years with the idea then scrpt it off changed whole development team of part 2 Then came with the idea of part 2 which we saw But in reality they just spliting to game in 2 parts as part 2 and part 3 If you have any argument with my story please comment i would like to answer

[@whoelsebutmatty]

not everyone was a fan of the dark knight rises (personally i thought it was brilliant, same with this game) but that was a part of a trilogy still spoken about 10+ years later so the correct closure in a 3rd game 4 - 5 years from now could put a perfect finish to everything

[@mgszelda1]

Except everyone knows the dark knight was way better than rises. Same logic applies here lol.

[@KleWdSide]

@@mgszelda1 Yeah, but The Dark Knight Rises was overall enjoyable & a worthy conclusion. I think most people didn't expect it be as good as its predecessor.

[@Justin-cc1vj]

The second game should all be a dream and joel is still alive in the last of us 3.

[@ghostking433]

I don’t want a part 3 to be some kind of fun go happy story where Ellie ends up finding Dina. I want Ellie to forget about that and go find the fireflies

[@volpeisfox]

I dont understand why people are so infatuated with the fireflies. They weren't even good people.

[@ghostking433]

Volpe is Fox I know. But don’t you think after Ellie learned the truth, now she wants to find a cure?

[@JamButter123]

Did you see Ellie wasn’t carrying her weapons but wearing Dina’s luck bracelet at the end. It means she is still with Dina and JJ. I am amazed that many people didn’t notice.

[@ghostking433]

@@JamButter123 I noticed. But I don’t think she’ll go back. And if she did it wouldn’t last

[@relaxhedx7064]

I think it's too easy of a story for naughty dog to tell if ellie sacrificed herself for a cure. I think neil build up her character for something unpredictable to happen.

[@yvesgomes]

I would like to play as Lev at a later part of TLOU III. The idea of Ellie searching the fireflies to sacrifice herself is kind of appealing, too. Maybe even starting with Abby and Lev finding a new qualified physician to make a vaccine in the new Fireflies HQ. Having Lev escorting Ellie to the new base and through some the territory of some evil faction could be cool.

[@miriamhernandez4896]

I want a dlc for ellie to find Dina :/

[@Zireael08]

If they make a Last of us Part 3 Abby and Ellie should team up (Spoilers) So five or so years pass by everyone is at peace, Abby and lev are fireflies in Catalina Island and Ellie is enjoying life with Dina & J.J back in Jackson and it turns out a new Militia organization has risen and attacks Catalina Island and Jackson for resources and territory and they capture Dina ,JJ & Lev and take them to away to their HQ and now you got Abby and Ellie trying to figure out where they took them and who order these attacks on peaceful settlements and go out searching for them. During their voyage they eventually cross paths and Abby and Ellie see and understand their point of view of their story and apologize to one other for what they did in the past and that their only goal is to get back the people they care about so they team up and plan to take down this new organization. They mostly fight infected, clickers ETC during their journey until they get close to enemy territory and as the story progress they eventually form a friendship and care for each other and finally take down the organization or at least cripple it and rescue Dina,J.J, and lev or if they were to die in the beginning of the story than the game will be about avenging their love ones AKA(angry Ellie and angry Abby teaming up)lol

[@redvik7223]

It will be a new ip, then a prequel to tlou, then a sequel to the new ip and then tlou part 3 will come which will be at the end of ps6 generation which is in roughly 12 years.

[@bluefish2767]

I want both stories from this to continue but I just hope , truly hope for a happy ending for Ellie.

[@i-kid183]

It's the last of us there is no happy ending. Because in post apocalyptic world you'll did eventually. But maybe there will be a nice ending.

[@mychemimbalance]

I would like to see Ellie and Abby team up in Part 3

[@briyanapanton7437]

Same but at the same time idk they might still hate each other even though I like both of them.

[@__last]

I can already vision the ending of pt3... Ellie and Dina go back to that house but they are both in their 40's and their son now an adult, screen shows the missing fingers of Ellie while Dina acknowledges it but they grip each other tightly as a sign of relief and peace among them both for their son and the camera pans out to the sunset. Then we get a short diologue of Joel talking about something considering his actions and about how cruel the world can be (in regard to part 1 and 2).

[@michaelmartinez9042]

That would actually be pretty nice, and I can imagine during the end credits we see Joel's grave or that photo of him and Ellie

[@__last]

@@michaelmartinez9042 Nice idea :)

[@scrullz8863]

Part 3 would be cool but not as cool as a Joel back story, showing his life during those first 20 years of the outbreak that past

[@yahya-ft7vt]

But he is never get out at this 20 yaers

[@andrewkim1305]

Part 3 will be a revenge story of 100+ characters on all the people that Ellie/Abbie has killed in part 2.

[@KleWdSide]

Including the Shamblers?

[@MrEricturney]

I hope there will be a THOU3 and I look forward to seeing Abby's character development

[@peepeebandit]

No just please no

[@nathankeraval6298]

@@peepeebandit oh please shut up. If you hate abby at the end of the game so you understood nothing

[@Azo55]

@@peepeebandit you dont must play it when it comes :)

[@peepeebandit]

Azondr 55 if the game isnt a femenists wet dream then i might

[@peepeebandit]

Nathan Keraval i understood that the story was fucking wank

[@hugob9491]

If they make a part 3 they CAN’T rush it!!

[@erickvon8752]

I honestly like the way it ended. It allows you to create your own story of what happen to Ellie, Abby, and Lev. If the Last of us 3 is made I would not mind but Last of Us 2 ending was a good one it gave me closure a great way to end.

[@agasthya9128]

Definitely gave a closure on the Joel and Ellie's relationship as father and daughter

[@Savorychicken41]

Such a amazing game and series. I hope they make part three👍

[@KleWdSide]

They will. It's just some years from now

[@sam-ic1kd]

The last of us part 3 Abby regroup with the fireflies to realize that the fireflies are searching for someone immune to the fungus so she decides to hunt down ellie .

[@huseyinhuseyin6854]

Just leave her alone

[@Letssgog0]

Wtf

[@sam-ic1kd]

@@Letssgog0 what the hell man , after the last of us part 2 I can imagine shet even crazyer than this

[@sam-ic1kd]

@@huseyinhuseyin6854ellie was so damaged in ending so as Abby if there to be a part 3 what do you think it will be about happiness and friendship , no it will be a fucking disaster to

[@Letssgog0]

@@sam-ic1kd I don't think part 2 was a disaster! For me and for so many people it was really good! I trust ND and I can't wait for a part 3 Even darker than this one! The fact that you didn't like something doesn't mean that it is bad!

[@IsaiasMGPalafox]

*Revenge turned Redemption. Games great. 🙏🏼👏🏼*

[@azimukith]

I heard this from another video. We all think Ellie lost Dina, JJ, and Tommy (basically everything). What we haven’t noticed is that before she went out to kill Abby again, she wasn’t wearing the bracelet Dina gave to her, but at the very end the camera zooms in on her hand and we notice she is wearing the bracelet. Also notice how her fingers seemed to have somewhat healed. ALSO notice how she was wearing completely different clothes. With all this info I think that she has returned to Jackson along with the others, and in the final scene she was just going to bring back the guitar, but in order for her to let Joel go, she decides to leave the guitar behind. Showing us that Ellie has moved on.

[@withindistruction54]

I couldn’t believe Abbie bite Ellie fingers off.

[@withindistruction54]

@@mryoung6090 yes. It was pretty gross, imagine how much force is used to be able to go through the bone. This game has made me dislike ellie.

[@ronaldragupathi952]

OFC videos explaining the true meaning of the game gets little to no views but the ones that showcase blatant hatred gets millions of views, kinda ironic to see a game about hate, showcases us as human go out of our ways to ruin someones day by sending death threats.

[@semirasani2240]

with how divided the game is, viewers who hate the game only go to popular youtubers who hate it and those who like it only go to the youtubers who liked it. getting into a debate in the comments sections with this game is just a giant case of insults and how one doesnt know what makes a good story or that naughty dog have betrayed their fans or something stupid

[@ronaldragupathi952]

@@semirasani2240 thats a good argument but as a fan of this game its really hard to avoid the ones that show blatant hate.

[@semirasani2240]

@@ronaldragupathi952 i know i get triggered too because of the explanations people have for not liking it. nothing we can do about it though. just have to accept that the game was worth it to us and not worth it to them and hope we still get a tlou3 for those of us who understand that they can do whatever they want and we gotta judge the story for the quality of what it was, not what we thought it would be

[@ronaldragupathi952]

@@semirasani2240 i agree but idk blind hate always kinda triggers me. Then again ppl forget that the story makes sense in that world and it might not make sense to us. Honestly if they release a TLOU3 im buying it no hesitation. I feel like in the world of last of us even when there's a good choice being made someones getting affected negatively.

[@semirasani2240]

@@ronaldragupathi952 I feel the same way. After arguing online I just kinda accepted it would go nowhere arguing. If people are gonna be mad joel died in a non blaze of glory fashion when that's not the type of game then that's on them. They act like we wouldn't be outraged if something like that happened to nathan Drake because it doesnt fit the tone of uncharted.

[@joetroutt7425]

I always thought Abby was just talking to the Rattlers pretending to o be the fireflies. That's how they were able to ambush them. There is no fireflies.

[@sifodyas8130]

Nope because in the menu screen we see Santa Catalina

[@TehJakeify]

It was real. The title screen shows their boat docked at Catalina Island.

[@philiom7724]

No it was the fireflies. Abby makes it to Catalina Island. The new game plus title screen shows her boat on the beach by the round building the firefly dude on the radio described.

[@joetroutt7425]

That's the round building Abby was being held captive.

[@philiom7724]

@@joetroutt7425 No it isn't. It's different. Also Neil Druckmann himself has said that is Catalina Island where the fireflies are, letting us know Abby made it there.

[@_l3m35_]

"It's not about revenge but redemption." Joel was in a redemption road: he did many despicable things to finally find a reason to see something good in humankind, saving Ellie. He didn't kill the doc, Marlene and guards out of revenge or hatred, but to save someone. Abby? She dragged his friends on a path of pure revenge, then tortured and killed an old man for no reason other than revenge - and worse, after the guy saved her ass, what could have raised some doubt in her heart, but no... So I can't relate Joel and Abby at all. Maybe Abby and Ellie, but not Joel. Edit: and I don't see much future for the story, honestly. Joel died, Tommy is old and crippled, Ellie left everything behind. Only if it happens in far future, with new characters, maybe an aged Ellie in a "tutor" role for someone, something like that.

[@bluebolt9618]

What dose jj stand for Jesse jr or Joel jr?

[@Ghiani16]

Joel is still alive but hurt very very bad and kept away from ellie for a reason. Cheapest way to bring him back alive.

[@Fil-xj6ph]

I don't know if i'd want a part 3 'cause it's just perfect the way It already Is. But if they have to make One, i Hope they don't ruin the First 2 games and i Hope they find a very interesting new story for Ellie and Abby. And please, don't make go Ellie sacrifice herself for a cure. That would be heartbreaking. I Just Hope we get to play as Ellie again, and as Abby too.

[@jorlenelyledulogildo243]

like imagine if we see abby saving ellie in the ending

[@Fil-xj6ph]

@@jorlenelyledulogildo243 I think naughty dog will find the right story. (if they do It) I trust Druckmann.

[@jonmartino3455]

They screwed up with the 2nd game how u going to make a story on these 2 characters who u already get us to like if not love (joel n ellie ) n kill joel by making him seem like a complete moron which I just dont believe he would have let himself be put in the position for abby n her friends to kill him . N ellie had nothing good happen for her she got shit on every step of the way. The only way this game works is if u care about abby but y would u when she killed joel without even a 2nd thot . Right after he saves her . She can forgive scars who pry killed a shit load of wlf n maybe even some of her friends but couldn't give a 2nd thot to killing joel. That is trash writing the makers just wanted it to happen so bad that they dont care what or how it happens apparently. N honestly I think its cuz neil wanted to ruin some1 else game some1 else story cuz other ppl were involved in making the 1st game n neil hates them n their ideas so he made this game to shit all over them. Its obvious.

[@jonmartino3455]

Also lev is not a good character n I'm not talking about because he/she is trans I'm talking bout the fact his mom may have stayed fine if he didn't go to that island n so would his sister. He/she got them both killed. So were supposed to like him/her too. Hell no.

[@Fil-xj6ph]

@@jonmartino3455 they didn't screw up anything. Joel died, YES, but if you think about It, he deserved that. His death didn't ruin The Last of Us. Probably you didn't understand the game.

[@yenooc528]

I really hope theres a Lou3 i want a happy ending for ellie

[@GabrielReactsz]

Damm when Ashley said she leaves again, and doesn’t know where? I always thought she went back to Jackson? I guess not. Also everyone talking about a part 3 but it should definitely be with completely different people. So many people in that world, so many different stories to tell I mean I could only imagine. Joe and Ellie, and Abby and Lev had a great story. Although not exactly finished, we don’t need to finish it.

[@aztlancontradanza1]

By what I've noticed, there are at least three moments throughout the story when characters mention wanting to visit other countries. I think this is the best evidence for a Part 3 foreshadow.

[@ahahyde2008]

I feel like if they are making a 3rd it won't be about ellie or abby and so forth, new charaters type. I also hope if they make a 3rd it comes to the screen faster, because I would hate waiting 7 more years

[@khaledelfiky1310]

I thing it’s gonne be lit if they make a dlc of this game that we play ellie when she have 17 years with joel

[@aranerem3767]

Poor ellie. She lost everything. I feel really bad for her

[@philiom7724]

I call her stubs now.

[@lucascondon9073]

If they do a 3rd game it should be a prequel with Joel and tommy, as hunters and how he met Bill and Tess

[@Brookeee2809]

In the first game shortly after Joel and Tess took Ellie, Joel took a nap while Tess went with Marlene to see the supplies they would get for taking Ellie. Ellie told Joel that he mumbles in his sleep. Then she told him that she hated bad dreams. I think they should make a The Last Of Us 3 and in the beginning Ellie wakes up and it was all a nightmare. And her and Joel have the same father daughter relationship they’ve always had.