Gene Editing: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)

[@johnchessant3012]

Scientist: "My findings are meaningless if the media takes them out of context" Media: "Scientist says, 'My findings are meaningless'"

[@commmander64]

Gawd hamit media.

[@nm9864]

You mean Fox News.

[@me0101001000]

@@timmtheilig6827 well it certainly is not wrong

[@MrSen4lifE]

@@nm9864 No. He doesn't. All American media, including John Oliver's LWT, do a poor job on reporting scientific issues. Fox News does it a lot worse, but that means little when everyone else still does such a poor job. If everyone is getting a D- and one person gets an F, you can't really say everyone else did well because they didn't get an F.

[@sune9578]

@@MrSen4lifE What would be a good way to report scientific issues?

[@mothheart9216]

When he said "can meat be too cold" I'm amazed he didn't then mention how, when air conditioning was first invented, it freaked H.P. Lovecraft out so hard he wrote a novella about it

[@lyric7702]

cool air my beloved 🤩

[@JaylaStarr]

What was it called?

[@francookie9353]

@@JaylaStarr en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cool_Air

[@JaylaStarr]

@@francookie9353 thx dear

[@francookie9353]

@@JaylaStarr you're welcome, sweetie. 😊❤️

[@marielaausher]

I'm laughing so much at the designer babies comment. Just imagine being with your kid: "Oh, your kid is cute!" "Thanks, is a Chanel"

[@rock3tcatU233]

Kind of fits, since Coco was a Nazi supporter who were also fans of eugenics.

[@margaritam.9118]

ⵉⵜⵔⵓⵏⴰⵓⵜ She wasn’t with them because she was a Nazi, France got occupied and she was a greedy b**** to not to use it)

[@vaevictus4637]

@@margaritam.9118 She was a fucking Nazi

[@VandalAudi]

Margarita M. Whether is a full Nazi member or not, her activities during the war is that of a symphtizer at best a collaborator at worst.

[@griffithmoony9263]

There's a movie with puma therman and ewan McGregor where people make "designer" children

[@benjaminbrand3714]

Imagine being this guy’s graphic design team. “Yes, that’s correct. I want an image of a mouse f**king a tick in a shower.” XD

[@Nemesis-pe7mw]

I agree. A mouse and a tik would NEVER do it in a shower. They're enviromentally contious!

[@Zoe-sh2hm]

“And the mouse LOVES it”

[@bluegenes2273]

makes me want to go into graphic design. or matchmaking.

[@Tonyhouse1168]

“Grandma Feathers didn’t look anything like that!!”

[@mikehuff9793]

I want that job

[@jchampagne2]

Oh my god the popping sound during that cane toad clip...

[@Netjerett]

riiigt? I cringed soooo hard.

[@LancasterResponding]

I had to looked away. Now anytime I see a frog(I know it’s a toad but I’ve never seen one in the wild) all I’ll think about is that popping noise

[@PEASGaming64]

As an Australian ITS TRUE. WE FUCKING HATE THOSE THINGS. I didn't know this guy existed tho so even I was shocked by the number on that road and the sound of them being run over. However, it was both disturbing and cathartic.

[@mysteryeye3781]

@@PEASGaming64 i can second that

[@dalazyworf]

Imagine a steam roller

[@marandaward1663]

As someone who’s family has a lot of diabetes, heart problems, and Alzheimer’s disease, if there was a way to eliminate those problems I would be first in line.

[@IdealConflict]

Natural selection.

[@marandaward1663]

Duck Soup hey man, fuck you. Any time you read that someone’s family has a lot of genetic issues, don’t fucking make a joke about it. Maybe I wasn’t clear enough. My grandmother will be the 8th of her siblings to die from Alzheimer’s and my mom is terrified she will develop it. So yeah if there was a way to prevent it I would be the first in line. Fuck. You.

[@renedekker9806]

@@IdealConflict Natural selection stopped when modern medicin was introduced. If you like it or not, now a much larger percentage of people will survive to reproduce, even people who are stupid enough to respond with "natural selection" when somebody mentions family members dying from genetic deceases.

[@Amoth_oth_ras_shash]

@@marandaward1663 And while I be supicious of any mega corp , goverment ,or cults to abuse tech that science made practical.. I think this research is overdue , its always been a question of spreading knowledge and use it with responsibility...as idiots will be idiots and only with other people having the same knowledge can it be counterd. but that sucks you and your family should be first in line for any safe procedure for gene treatment to combat those things specialy alzheimers..it can be such a cruel way to wither away....and for the idiots going 'natural selection' ye...fuck him ,intelligence is naturaly selected for and its what leets uss explore genes.

[@Amoth_oth_ras_shash]

@@IdealConflict Inteligence have become homo sapiens one and only advatange for survival..because of natural selection , dont like how its used ? tough luck....100% of evrything you depend on to survive only exists because of inteligence....want to deny people the chance to replace none functioning chemicals so ther children can be born fully 'fuctional' ? then get rid of evrything you own ,including your cloths and find some wilderness without any humans for hundreds of miles....and try survive ala 'claws and fangs' style.

[@marshmelows]

I love how this show introduces you to new topics, captivating you with good humour and leaving you knowing enough to thinkfor yourself

[@ariannaellie3087]

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[@cavemanlawyer5608]

Yeah man. Not just the same old talking points. This is the best show

[@Hayanomie]

Perfectly put. It's a good starting place for further research but a great place for late night comedy and discovering what may not have been under your radar.

[@andrellana8838]

They are not new topics. Most if not all topics have been spoken about for generations.

[@marshmelows]

@@andrellana8838 "new topics" was not the correct term yes. Maybe topics on a new scope, new stand, ahh dang it, eng's not my main language

[@VandalAudi]

Rather than eugenics I’m more afraid of the social gap that gene editing would create. I mean, obviously, the affluent would have more access to make their descendants, faster, smarter, stronger, more resilient, even longer living than the ones who can’t afford the mods. Gattaca, anyone?

[@marshmellowmoon7990]

With how cheap it is all you need to know is what genes to edit and how. So everyone could do it.

[@keskonriks710]

@Marshmellow Moon Things that might be cheap for people in america and Europe mitht not be so cheap for people in, for example, africa

[@marshmellowmoon7990]

​@@keskonriks710 7:07 A couple of hundred dollars is stupidly cheap for *GENE EDITING* and that's the first of it's kind it will get so much cheaper. The point is that when we get to a level where a gap could be created it will be so cheap that even the poorest person with a tiny kit could do it. There are already malaria test that cost less then a dollar and are made of cardboard kzbin.info/www/bejne/h5eQdWSLpdNggbc

[@drkspider13]

And, the fact we could all be dead in a 100 years, the idea of generations could be resilient enough to survive would be great. I personally lost family members to cancer some at 16 yo, the idea of cutting out cancer would be great.

[@eharmony7982]

I’m a biological engineering student, and I highly doubt that would ever happen. At least I really hope it won’t. For one, there are ethics committees that have to approve experiments with human beings or experiments of that magnitude. Most genetic engineering happening now is gene therapy with recombinant DNA, and making medications like insulin or certain antibiotics. But it is still something that we have to be very careful with bc I’m sure there will be some dictator one day that will want to abuse it

[@thingX1x]

"You don't have to spend the next 2000 years worshipping the scientists, you just have to be like... thanks!" One of the best lines he's ever spoke, :D.

[@bostonmarketfeministbookclub]

It almost makes me feel... euphoric.

[@JamMastaJeremy]

🙄 there are tons of people who treat scientists like they're gods

[@dying_pau9721]

Same with doctors... If a doctor saves your life you really shouldn't be thanking a god

[@corporate.security]

Meh. Kinda short on respect.

[@Quack201]

But long on rational thinking.

[@goompo]

_Rock “The Dwayne” Johnson_

[@karpmanlarpman]

Should've called him The "Dwayne Johnson" Rock

[@gamingman2720]

I’m calling him this now

[@ayushthumbarathy3961]

I was looking for this comment. Rock Johnson is his name......!😁

[@hatlessmonk7245]

@@karpmanlarpman The 2nd Law 👀

[@davidt8087]

Dzaid Din dock the Rayne jinsin

[@Ultrevolous]

"You don't have to spend 2,000 years worshiping the scientists, you can just be like...thanks." Thanks John.

[@ThePhDK1d]

Trevor Lol that joke killed me 😂😂

[@andrewzheng4038]

Lmao like I’ve always wanted to be worshipped for 2000 years

[@rashidpaykargar8628]

The tools used for gene editing come from bacteria. So we do have to thank God for it.

[@competingcoot4756]

Qamaruddin Paykargar, Salaam. You are right. I will thank Allah for this blessed technology.

[@JohnSmith-dz2dc]

Trevor Taylor even though I’m a practicing Christian, I laughed pretty hard at this joke. Good one Jon

[@andybandyb]

As a disease ecologist, I want to say that the mouse and tick segment is one of the best demonstrations I have ever seen of these important principles in the evolutionary ecology of infection Disease.

[@AliceSuhina]

I’m so happy someone actually is talking about CRISPR and current developments in genomics. It’s like the most amazing change in biology in recent decades, but barely anyone talks about it.

[@typesandtomes]

Alice Suhina unless you're in the science community and that's all you hear about haha another perspective is that there's so much talk that John Oliver who's not in science got wind of it. It's great though, it's a really controversial subject and I'd trust John to talk about it over any other talkshow.

[@sabin97]

kurzgesacht has some nice videos on it.

[@alekseytsoi242]

No, a lot of people talk about it, but unfortunately they don't know what the fuck they are talking about.

[@MeisterHaar]

was that sarcastic? its all over the place since 2015. its so over used and mentioned i am getting more bored then anything else when the topic comes up.

[@alekseytsoi242]

The problem is, as with many new technologies like this is lay people get excited/scared/anxious/obsessed with it without understanding the underlying science behind it. CRISPR is NOT A PANACEA, it is just another tool in the molecular genetics tool box, yes it is somewhat novel and revolutionary in it's mechanism, but it's actual real world application utility is for the most part untested. So when i hear stories on NPR about CRISPR and the dawn of "designer babies" it makes me fucking CRINGE, because it completely undervalues the insane complexity involved.

[@BlazeNStar]

It would have been amazing if my epilepsy could have been prevented like this, considering it is a stressful, stress triggered horrible cycle of falling, spasms, and memory loss. Some genetic differences are viewed as disabilities by those who have them.

[@khadijahbindavid9518]

I don't consider my being autistic and having ADHD to be a disability...but the bipolar one sure is. Plus I have long term weakness in the right side of my body from meningitis...IIH creates high cerebrospinal fluid which makes it hard to walk, temporary paralysis, memory loss. Some of these things I really wish could be cured (the last two), I honestly don't know what it would be like to not have autism or ADHD. I know what you are talking about Desiree. I'm mainly considered about the potential eugenics aspect.

[@2126Eliza]

You mean you don’t want to be a martyr for a group that can’t accept their limitations, you must be Hitler.

[@debbievoss3709]

I hope they can prevent epilepsy someday and do the process well.

[@Gingersnaps_the_pumpkin_kitty]

@@2126Eliza yeah, because all Hitler wanted to do was preform safe treatments on consenting individuals to only treat the severely disabled and fatally diseased. There's absolutely no reason for people to be scared that they might be systematically wiped out and medically experimented on over meaningless genetic differences they can't change without their consent. None at all, it's pure delusional hysteria. (/s)

[@addie-m4v]

When it comes to disruptive behavior, it's often because a need is not being met. In most Spec-ed classes, they only focus on verbal communication and not so much on emotional regulation and alternative communication. Maybe since only verbal communication is encouraged and expected despite other forms that would be easier, that this person is left with little options of communication. So yeah, it's not a surprise that this person was constantly screaming, crying, or disrupting class. Implying that this person is suffering simply because of Autism takes out a major part of the equation which is, how do we view and treat autistic people? Because they "couldn't properly speak" or drool or flap around, is their quality of life is lesser? The reason that quality of life for people with this kind of Autism is not great is because of the standards of non-autistic behavior are forced upon, and that deviations from that mean that a person is suffering, lesser, or less capable. How non-autistic people treat autistic people is a major factor in quality of life.

[@Vospader21]

My biggest worry about CRISPR being used to modify humans is how the technology is obviously going to benefit wealthy people first. At a time when the gap between the rich and the poor is pushing us towards economic collapse technology like this will only further the divide.

[@visceratrocar]

Vospader21 There's a cure for HepC now. Big pharma doesn't want to make it available because curative medicene doesn't make money. Some groups are even fighting against 3D printing organs using the patient's DNA because transplants are infinitely more lucrative. Same with HIV, many cancers, and a slew of other things. IF it is available it won't be for the poor, AND never in America.

[@d4ark972]

Same with HIV? What on earth are you on about? It's not possible to cure HIV currently, except for very specific circumstances where a functional cure can be achieved through CCR5_Δ32 hemoatopietic stem cell transplantation, which is rarely possible or feasible. There's no other way.

[@nerios.v]

CRISPR is too cheap, most likely the wealthy will just try to keep it a secret.

[@aniwhitetree3543]

Viscera Trocar The HepC treatment is widely available. My sister went through treatment, via the public health system, in 2010 and has been free from the disease since 2011.

[@mathiasstrupstad3828]

That is the case with almost every single technology, though. Would you argue against cars based on the fact that poor people can not afford to buy cars today? How about airplanes or trucks? Vaccines? Every single type of medicine is first available to the people who can pay for it, and then later on to governments and poorer people when the medicine becomes cheaper. How about electricity? A significant proportion of today's population lives without stable access to electricity. That is not an argument AGAINST electricity, it is an argument for MORE electricity. Many, many breakthroughs in science are very expensive at first, and therefore rich people are the first beneficiaries. But those breakthroughs (usually both paid by, and benefiting the rich) are then the stepping stone for even being able to ask "So now that we have this technology, how do we make it cheaper and more available to everyone?

[@srijaghosh6274]

Watching this 4 years later makes me realize how far we've come and also has me screaming 'that's not how that works!!' at the biohacker

[@VitoDRF]

You've just described me watching most scifi movies lol!

[@Harry-mb4cs]

Next you'll tell me injecting myself with apple juice won't turn my blood to apple juice. How about you stick to your lane?

[@AlternateHistoryHub]

Genes should be edited so we can be tall enough to punch giraffes. Retribution can begin

[@FiendKing04]

AlternateHistoryHub I did not expect that comment from you. 🤣

[@docslastname2711]

AlternateHistoryHub what are you doing up this late?

[@eliwynne4348]

AlternateHistoryHub ya and you like jon oliver to

[@doom7ish]

AlternateHistoryHub oh my God, your here!? That's interesting.

[@TemporalShrew]

Our goals should be more noble than that. We just need to be tall enough to punch those filthy, abominable tall foxes. #NoTallFoxes

[@mbendigo]

I was born with a cleft lip and palette. I wouldn’t want any other baby or parents have to go through that. That stuff costs so much extra money. So much extra visits to the doctor or orthodontist. It’s a birth defect. If we can fix it, we definitely should.

[@emhu2594]

Cantaloupa. Most people that oppose it dont have health issues. But the second they get cancer they suddenly change their minds.

[@kadh9941]

Hey, sometimes cancer can be a better population control method than China can.

[@MissHeathen]

KADH99 Hey I hope you get it. Oh damn was that cruel? Sometimes I don't know where the line is when playing devils advocate.

[@florianh.6256]

Jack Heathen: No it wasn't, as long as you are not actively trying to "infect" him and only trying to make a point. Oh - not the answer you expected? Well - there are people out there that can accept death by illness as a part of life. Nature is "cruel" and culture has dampened many things that could have killed us, but we are only surprisingly fragile creatures. Now yes - it still sucks and is probably a loss for a few people, but it is not the end of the world. Hmm.. where was i going with this? I guess i got "unemotional" with that topic because its my coping mechanism, but i don't think rational thinking is always a bad thing.

[@JessicaO490Z]

Unfortunately cleft palette is not a genetic error, it's usually a formation error as parts of the mouth fuse enutero (basically the issue doesn't all connect were it is supposed to). Improved nutrition and avoidance of substances that can trigger birth defects like a cleft palette, but it does not remove all risk. Also, sorry for your suffering, I hope you have completed your surgeries by now and that they went well.

[@redsnowpenguin]

The Chinese scientist wasn't being blase about gene editing so much as he was being uncomfortable with the interviewer invoking God. The combined effects of colonialism, the Enlightenment, and recent history means scientific professionals in China observe a strict separation between religion and science. Talking about God, especially the Abrahamic one, especially by people representing the West, makes alarm bells go off in a similar way over there as talking about Nazis in America. So don't blame the Chinese scientist. His interviewer didn't phrase his question well for a subject whose primary language isn't English.

[@殷小乙]

Your view is a little one-sided

[@redsnowpenguin]

@@殷小乙 What is your disagreement, friend?

[@殷小乙]

@@redsnowpenguin well I agree with your arguement, but it can also be in chinese traditional culuture. Chinese people looks like lacking in awe of the gods because of political and economic development. And in thsi era, a well-educated scientist needs to take on greater responsibility，instead of letting prejudice continue

[@marinaproger2324]

I think you reading too much into this. I don't think anyone can deny that some scientists are driven by discovery and not ethics. I mean, fuck jesus, but the interviewer was Asian as well and wasn't what he was going for.

[@redsnowpenguin]

@@marinaproger2324 The reporter, Adam Yamaguchi, is Japanese-American. #NotAllAsians are the same :-) America is strong in Adam. But more importantly, the clip just seemed like a case of cultural contexts not matching up. Yamaguchi was fumbling a little bit with wording, or in any case it looks that way to me. In America we have a shared language around Christianity where people understand that an ambiguous reference to higher powers in ethics discussions don't necessarily, literally, mean God. But the scientist he interviewed clearly didn't take the question that way, for reasons I already mentioned. LastWeekTonight is not wrong that there are cases of highly problematic gene-editing experiments from China. But unless they know something about the scientist interviewed in the clip, it's not right to characterize the clip as Chinese Scientist Laughing at Ethical Concerns.

[@somethingelse4424]

*Giant Wolf Leaps at Character* Billy Corgan: "The world is a vampire." Me: *visibly confused*

[@heyysimone]

Exactly, everyone knows its werewolves, not vampires

[@amberwarren5513]

As someone with epileptic family and wants kids one day, gene editing could be a dream for me. To not be afraid of passing an epileptic gene down to my future son or daughter, would be such a relief. I hope it is better in the future and can potentially help me or my children if they have seizures.

[@olotocolo]

you are clearly bigoted, you should be happy that you are different and unique! Removing those diseases would be pure eugenics! They wouldn't suffer from seizures, they would suffer from how society treats them! /s

[@zoesmybaby]

My father had AML which is a variant of that sweet english baby girl's ALL. For the past few decades since he died, my family and I have been trying to raise $ for research and patient support in his memory. This baby girl being helped at all is very encouraging and wonderful.

[@lnfinite_Jess]

I'm so glad you may see the cure of this disease in your lifetime!

[@Sybildiscontent]

I’m sorry for the loss of your father.

[@zoesmybaby]

@@Sybildiscontent thank you, he was a great Dad.

[@aas55]

Hi Laura, I am sorry for your loss

[@SteveCary55]

If only they hadn't used beagles... They could've had Jacked Russell Terriers.

[@elyseanya7748]

WOW. Just WOW.👏👏👏

[@MrDanisve]

Beagles are the goto lab dogs

[@SteveCary55]

@@MrDanisve I'm pretty sure Labs are the goto lab dogs.

[@MrDanisve]

@@SteveCary55 Only if they are golden retreived

[@paulmartin6296]

other breeds will become jealous causing perhaps a Boxer rebellion

[@brigittegill808]

I used the information from this main story in my Biology class and impressed the hell out of my professor. I almost shouted 'THANK YOU JOHN OLIVER' in the middle of class!

[@mnschoen]

If I'd cited this in a middle school my paper would have been returned with a big fat "F--please use correct citation" on it. If I'd cited it in college they would have made me take a a remedial class about acceptable sources.

[@brigittegill808]

@@mnschoen I didn't have to cite it. It was literally for an answer during a lecture that my professor asked us. It wasn't for some sort of research paper...

[@CrossfacePanda]

This is how you get very, very angry Krogans, and at least one dead Salarian scientist.

[@mediaproductionfilms3665]

Had to be me, someone else might have gotten it wrong...

[@RydzTheOne]

That was fixed.

[@Palmieres]

He just made them steaks, I don't know why they hated him so much...

[@pradeepkumar-qo8lu]

The scientist can be saved (Just saying)

[@Mahesh.Ranganathan]

Or just let the dumb korgan take over, save the salarian scientist and destroy the cure!

[@DynamicHaze]

Damn those beagles are stacked bruv.

[@G33KST4R]

Blaze Absolute unit

[@littlelordfuckleroy3822]

dumb thicc

[@poppyseed5270]

They're getting all the bitches

[@Odinsday]

SWOLL BOIS

[@varkalag1]

Guess what the Chinese scientists are eating at the table

[@PowahSlapEntertainmint]

I thought jean editing was when you used scissors to turn your jeans into jorts.

[@akumamakima2280]

PowahSlap Entertainmint i hate you

[@aydensauvageau9393]

PowahSlap Entertainmint I hate you too, well done

[@XPetabreadX]

you spelled gene wrong

[@ketsuekikumori9145]

Really? I transformed my jeans into a denim jacket.

[@SingingSpock]

No, that's a far worse crime than eugenics

[@redpandamurphy]

As a stunning younger Jeff Goldblum said before, "You were so blinded by the fact that you could, you never stopped to ask if you should".

[@adityarao9793]

Obviously , only someone with the most desirable genes would say that

[@ZGoenMusic]

There once was a man from Nantucket. Who gathered some mice in a bucket. He altered the mice, engineered with a splice and now all of the seagulls are dead...

[@MrCupcakeWarrior]

oh fuck it

[@alexkentoyo]

I don't care much about the seagulls - kill them all!!

[@billbill6094]

Rock "The Dwayne" Johnson is now The Rock's official name

[@i_booba]

I giggled when he said that. It was perfect.

[@ccandmore]

bill bill heard it first on wrestletalk

[@n0ame1u1]

Dwayne “Dwayne ‘The Rock’ Johnson” Johnson

[@fsmfsm9941]

Oli from Wrestletalk said has been using it for years!

[@justthecoolestdudeyo9446]

There's something so fascinating about these moral and philosophical quandaries about who we are fundamentally, and what power is okay to hold over another human.

[@jessirarara]

I love the woman with Dwarfism. Many in the Autistic community feel the exact same way. I don't suffer from Autism. I suffer from the way society treats me. A lot of who I am as a person is because of my Autism and I wouldn't want to be any other way.

[@evexx1540]

As an autistic person i completely agree. Sadly too many allistics would prefer to get rid of us instead of just accomodating us

[@johnhughes2124]

@@evexx1540 I'm Autistic and I'd get myself cured in a heartbeat

[@evexx1540]

@@johnhughes2124 too bad the only cures death huh

[@PaleoalexPicturesLtd]

Isn't the "autism community" mainly made up of Asperger ? Lucky you, guys, I'm glad you enjoy your comparatively benign condition, but you make up 2% of all the recorded cases on the autism spectrum. My own little brother is an autistic young man (with the usual difficulties socializing, hypersensitivity to external stimuli, hierarchizing environmental information, and the corollary linguistic and logical underdevelopment,...) and it definitely is a huge disability. So please, either rebrand yourselves or stop pretending you speak in general for autistic people, most of whom conveniently can't speak at all.

[@nuibui6667]

Let's be practical here. Autism is a disease and gene therapy would be amazing

[@katelynwoodworth9989]

That Asian science guy might have been laughing more about the higher power thing than the caution needed for gene editing.

[@philipehusani]

Agreed, he finds it fascinating that in this day and age, people still believe such things.

[@gusg6197]

Philip Ehusani In this day and age, belief in the unprovable still makes people feel better.

[@philipehusani]

@@gusg6197 Yup, that's the human psychology, we like to feel good, we hate responsibilities, so we feel better convincing ourselves that God is responsible for all things.

[@PokeMageTech]

It helps that he lives in China, which as a (former?) Communist state, isn’t big on religion.

[@PokeMageTech]

Philip Ehusani ...heh. I’m just a weirdo, but the main comforts I draw from the possibility (since I’m agnostic, though identifying as Presbyterian) is: that death won’t be the end, and that bad people will be held to account.

[@austinvandentop2779]

To be fair, its almost impossible for that Zayner quack to edit anything by just injecting CRISPR/Cas9 into the blood stream. Cells don't just pick up anything that floats in the blood, you'd need an actual delivery system to get the CRISPR/Cas9 into human cells, preferably one that is actually specific to the tissue you want to edit. The only possible way to do this outside of a petri dish is with a modified viral delivery system, meaning you edit a virus to deliver guide RNAs and genes that code for the Cas9 protein. Thankfully, selling viruses out of a garage is bioterrorism, so nothing this guy sells can actually do anything to people, its just pseudoscience and placebo.

[@mattsworld2926]

You really aren't educated when it comes to pseudoscience you moron.

[@mattsworld2926]

Just to be fair, "real scientists" are idiots educated, they doesn't want the cure for diseases or make mankind better than before, they are always feeding the pharmaceutical industry who doesn't want purchase the discovery to cure diabetes or something. Because they know, if someone discover the cure of whatever they'll need to lose billions to put on the shelves of their pharmacy. To be fair, no one should suffer for something they don't asked for like being too short or too tall, too thin or too fat, black mainly or white, man or woman and etc... If someone can revert this natural state to something you want like transgenderism which isn't realistic, but can actually remove an entire reproduction system to what you ever wanted. Some mofos are afraid of this because it can take out his post of privilege, making a perfect world or idealizing one. Would wash this prejudice, hate and everything. No one would be more or less, everybody on the same pattern.

[@leetom1553]

There once was a man from Nantucket Who gathered some mice in a bucket He altered those mice Engineered with a splice And now aLL oF tHe SeAguLLs aRE dEad

[@memorless]

There once was a man who came from Nantucket Who gathered some mice which he kept in a bucket He altered those mice Engineered with a splice So a mouse won't get Lyme's when a tic would fuck it.

[@sp3ncr733]

There once was a man from Nantucket Who gathered some mice in a bucket He altered those mice Engineered with a splice Because you know what, fuck it

[@LiquidfirePUA]

are served with rice

[@Tiniuc]

You forgot the zalgo.

[@deadlee0b1]

Scientist: "We have developed a treatment that cures cancer in 40% of mice" Media: "Scientists cure cancer!" Scientist: "No, its not a cure, but we are now a little closer to a cure in the future" Media: "Scientists invent Time Machine!" Scientist: "Fuck you!" Media: "Scientist rapes journalist!"

[@finmin2k]

@8alot4t cancer does not benefit the organism in which it inhabits. Stop advocating for cancer.

[@georgebrantley776]

@@finmin2k it does benefit the cells that are cancerous, though. So it is a horrible disease for the group of cells we know as the organism, but it is a savior for the group of cells that have become oncogenic. True to nature, it is a matter of two groups of cells fighting to survive. We happen to advocate for the human side.

[@CadDriftarus]

@@georgebrantley776 To be fair though, wouldn't the cancerous cells be endangering themselves by retroactively killing the human they're a part of?

[@georgebrantley776]

@@CadDriftarus Yeah, but when I say "fight to survive" I mean it in a more metaphoric sense as the cells don't have consciousness to be able to fight for anything. So in cancer the cells grow and never die even as they become damaged (usually cells commit suicide when needed). So cancer will grow on its own just because the feature of cell suicide has been irreparably damaged due to mutation. So it's true that cancer cells don't persist generationally like a parasite might, which begs the question how did cancer survive a billion years of evolution? Obviously parasites propagate their gene pool by laying eggs prior to killing the hosy--if they kill the host all. But cancer cells have no gene pool to propagate, as the cancerous designation comes from genetic mutation via sheer chance (over time) or radiation/other similar external factors. The original cell just grows and multiples are a ridiculous rate, never stopping, until the outsized growth fucks something up in your body. There is thus not really any natural selection for the survivability of cancerous cells, because while they do multiply on their own, there exists another source of cancer that will allow cancer to persist its existence over millenia and millenia into the future, because of environmental factors and the sheer design of gene replication in cells. Unlike the parasite that is reliant on a host to reproduce and is subject to typical biological evolutionary constraints, cancer is really a state of being rather than a disease per se, since there is no infectious pathogen. Cancer is to the human body what potholes are to roads I suppose. So there will always be potholes; it's just a sad inevitable truth of physics that asphalt will eventually crumble and break over time. It's just a truth of biology that our cell will eventually mutate and become cancerous given enough time, even in ideal circumstances. This is why cancer cells have not been much selected upon for survivability of the cancer cell.

[@we8608]

Stupid

[@bonitaapplebaum4202]

Your biggest concern as an American citizen should be the moment insurance companies begin to lobby for the use of genetic testing prior to offering coverage to people. They'll be able to charge whatever they like based on your DNA and your chances of developing certain ailments. It has already begun with pharmaceutical companies offering "personlized" medicine.

[@bonitaapplebaum4202]

Additionally, companies that test for ancestry have no obligation to destroy your DNA once tested and are free to monetize it and sell it to their partners.

[@therealmacgyver5470]

well maybe you wont need medicine or insurance anymore after you updated yourself. we have to make sure they dont regulate it or they will force us to buy the intermediate steps (drugs,treatments) i want the free market 1 stop update solution. but fearmongerers and politicians will prevent that.

[@MissHeathen]

Science creates wonderful tools, some ideas not worth exploring, others just plain stupid. But that doesn't stop the servile scientist of a corrupt government or corporation to do whatever they wish for more control and power i.e. government/politicians or for more profit, i.e. CEO of some corporate conglomerate who only exploit people and damage the environment.

[@MultiSciGeek]

People need to drop the god argument when talking to scientists if they want to be taken seriously. There are many better arguments to make against unrestrained gene editing.

[@MaximusTheChosenOne]

OHM-968692 but many can be stemmed from the god argument

[@randomuser5237]

That is not the God argument, it means omniscience or knowing the consequences of one's actions. What people really mean is that when you're making such drastic changes which have happened naturally over millions of years in organisms through evolution while maintaining balance with the environment then you better know what you're doing. At this stage the scientists are in no position to truly understand how this will affect the environment, that level of understanding is only possessed by Nature (or God or higher power whatever your religious inclination is). So it is best to proceed with extreme caution as the scientist experimenting in Nantucket island shows.

[@anarmasimli]

Random User yes, you can just ask about omnipotence and its moral aspects, instead of saying are they want to be Gods? or Does God allow.

[@supernatural2130]

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[@supernatural2130]

Bas Rensen 😁 they gave u jesus while they do not believe n use ur money to experiment

[@jaysun4069]

I dont think that Chinese guy was brushing off the moral questions but more of the religious notion behind the statement.

[@the_rugged]

Jason Is Awesome! Actually, Chinese scientific establishment lags in the field of bioethics. Thats a structural problem, going back decades... this problem also affects Russian scientific community, since the USSR was much more focused on results as dictated by the Party demands. Not saying that they are devoid of morals, or that the Western scientists are very ethical, but there are different ingrained cultures regarding what is and what is not prioritised in each academic/scientific circles.

[@dddmemaybe]

Unfortunately for Russia, there has been major national losses for ignoring bioethics/morality. We as a peoples(species) keep morality around because it is more optimal than being a Saturday cartoon villain or some bbeg, for large majority of situations considering physical limits of being human in general. kzbin.info/www/bejne/iYKml4KgncyohZI

[@brimbledun]

the_rugged it seemed to me that it was more of a language issue. Here in the US, you don’t necessarily have to use that phraseology rigidly - it can just mean that you’re screwing with something that you don’t necessarily understand the consequences of. I think the scientist was genuinely scoffing at the potential belief that someone thinks that gene editing ought to be left with gods. I think the statement was poorly represented, and can understand how people might take it literally. Whether or not China or the USSR have thoroughly developed their ethical standards for science is a separate argument. Although, if ours is more developed, it might explain why we (in the West) have moral reservations when we discuss gene editing.

[@SuperSilverTrees]

There is no GOD. That's why the asian scientist was laughing... and also the fact that there would be peoiple that would rather let others suffer orbe diffrent just becouse they think some higher being wants them to.

[@user-kk9et2sg5f]

Jason Is Awesome! People without faith are the most dangerous creatures. That's why China under CCP's rule can do harm to the whole world.

[@SquiddyHiggenbottom]

You know your research is risky when you're having dreams about PigHitler that sound like an author getting a little heavy-handed with the symbolism

[@BlackuLaLa]

The symbolism of PigHitler was a bit on the upturned nose lol

[@sarahamira5732]

Sounds like some actual Lord of the Flies shit

[@LamirLakantry]

Gene editing, like kitchen knives, is a tool. And just like knives they can be useful or dangerous. But just because irresponsible usage can cut our finger, it does not mean we should never chop an onion.

[@cauchyschwarz3295]

EE Ehrenberg Only that a kitchen knive is such a primitive tool in comparison that this analogy is very weak as an argument. Nothing you do with your kitchen knive will have implications for the ecosystem or the planet as a whole.

[@kristinkulman3221]

EE Ehrenberg: But after cutting ourselves, we expect our fingers to heal. Also, given only 10 fingers, that are located in our extremities, there is a limit to the damage to your organism if you lose a finger. But they're not talking fingers, they are talking cells. If you use a "knife" to make a failed cell, and if that failure doesn't prevent replication, your organism wastes resources making failed cells. Your failed cell might not play well with others. It might form compromised tissues;it might fail to produce a necessary protein; it might make a protein that isn't useful, etc. That's my simple way of looking at this. You might make someone sick, and unlike text editing, there's no way to "undo" the mistake. Some scientists are using CRSPR and they know what they are doing, they have high quality laboratories where they can carefully control the environment, and they probably are doing quality checks to verify they get what they expect. Right now, I believe there are strict laws about using CRSPR on human cells. I personally wouldn't look for a robust solution from a person who uses the verb hacking in the same sentence as CRSPR.

[@helmholtzthemulewatson4763]

NO! Anyone with an IQ over 60 can look at a knife and know exactly how it work and accurately predict the out come of using it without risking an entire ecosystem and starting a trend that will change the very nature by which people ordered in society.

[@Original_Tenshi_Chan]

my fear as a biologist, is that genes are extremely complicated. multiple genes can affect one epigenetic expression, and one gene can affect several expressions. (to put it in simplest terms I mean) for example, those belonging to haplogroup J2 (there are other haplogroups who also contain the same genetic trait I'll be talking about, but for now, let's just use J2 - Sicilians, Greek, Mediterranean, etc - for our example) have a higher propensity to develop one of the various Thalassemia conditions, which is bad, however, with that mutation comes an increased resistance to Malaria. Its a mutation developed through microevolution, though the mutation that brings good benefits (resistance to Malaria) is controlled by the same genes that cause the Thalassemia traits as well. (technically, it's a lot more complicated than that. People with alpha Thalassemia have smaller red blood cells, and it's mainly due to the distribution of small amounts of hemoglobin in larger quantities of cells. So it's not like they block malaria, just that the mutation mitigates the damage until the immune system handles the rest. But I'm getting off topic...) In short, no single gene acts alone, and we wont be able to affect change with one part without possibly causing other potential defects or changes. And not all defects are just negatives. Sometimes those smaller negatives arose to mitigate a larger negative. Erasing those smaller negative make us vulnerable to those larger ones again.

[@josecampos-sz2ur]

Despite some of the other replies, I think this is a perfect and simply analogy.

[@TheFuzzypuddle]

I love how the chinese scientist laughs at the notion that many americans are worried that god doesn't like gene editing.

[@juozsx]

Its a dumb situation, where going around moral comsiderations is changed with "playing god". Its not the same terms at all, "playing god" is retarded statment which you can apply to anything you dont like, for example: taking medicine for your hedache? hur dur u re playing god u all neez jezas. Now moral considerations about crispr is a real thing, like in this video - dwarfism, is it bad or just different? Eugenics are a terrifying thing... just imagine what Hitler would do with cirspr if he had hands on it...

[@vincentmuyo]

I understand that religious people have these reservations regarding science but it's still a bit of a fallacy.

[@NevelWong]

Why not put yourself in his shoes. He obviously doesn't believe in god. So what is he supposed to say? "I'm sorry your believes deny you something I personally see as a prosperous future?" . IMO his answer was as respectful as a socially awkward scientist who dedicates his life to the subject could make it.

[@Saviliana]

Well, in fairness, we are the one without resource, to the point everything that helps or giving out marginal hoping of helps would be morally okay for us. Which was forced by you western.

[@laalki80]

He clearly hasn't read the famous passage: "And so the Lord said -Thou shalt not fuck with the gene pool. He who does, will surely become Deadpool."

[@cannongardner2658]

After studying genetics for the last 4 years, I am glad to see this. Bioethics was a big focus on the program for a reason. It is a fine line we will have to address with a moral lens. With that... it is a very promising field, but we are still roughly 10-15 years out before we can really harness the power of genetic editing in human health. Side note, how CRISPR works isn't too complicated, a big reason it is popular right now is because it is way simpler and has higher specificity than zinc fingers or TALENs. I highly recommend educating yourself on it, it is super interesting!

[@lizzylang9941]

Cannon Gardner agreed. And it's super cheap compared to other methods. We've been able to do a few studies here at the University I work at as a junior researcher using microbes. The outcomes are amazing! This is why I love science. Yet we still need to look into the ethical implications it might have, because we all know there will be those who take it too far.

[@harrypadarri6349]

Yes, it is more specific and promising. But there is still a high chance that severe side effects occur in clinical use. In a bioinformatic course at university I wrote about bioinformatic aproaches to predict potential offtarget cleavage sites of RNA-guided Nucleases. There is still a huge discrepancy between predictions and experimental evaluation. Sequence based algorithms do not work at all. Maybe machine learning aproches could work better. Also experimental evaluation shows that there are even very low-frequent offtarget events. Shure, CRISPR-CAS is promising but there is still a lot of work to do.

[@crazeeenigrifagritard463]

I like the skills John has that couldn't be predicted like doing a good Australian Toad God's accent.

[@Sarah-jd9it]

I, along with both my siblings and at least one of their children, have a single mutated gene which has the potential to cause organ failure along with inherited COPD. My hope is that with time and more study gene editing could help save my nephew from the problems I am facing. However, I fully admit that the misuse of the technology is troubling.

[@Pikachu-qr4yb]

The "Please kill me" reminded me of Ms. Tucker from Full Metal Alchemist :(

[@Manufan-og1xg]

It reminded me of when Bart creates a horrible creature while learning magic.

[@violablaire6499]

I knew I could find Nina in the comments

[@hazukichanx408]

It reminded me of some terrifying late-game unicorn-like creatures in Salt & Sanctuary. They charge at you, stick their horn in you, and then in all probability they'll suck all the life out before you can free yourself.

[@Crazyashley42]

Can we go one day without mentioning the damn chimera?!?!

[@BioshockChar]

@@Crazyashley42 her name was Nina!!!

[@KyleLi]

Damnit morty, now we've got to go to a different dimension cause you screwed this one up.

[@Electro35man]

'Love is just a chemical reaction that compels animals to breed'

[@shanhussain6114]

Kyle Li ah jeez

[@lupen_rein]

Lol, best comment here!

[@phatmantv]

So I guess Dr. Sanchez just accidentally turned on Fox News?

[@tmseh]

The fucking squirrels!

[@Sybildiscontent]

THE CANE TOADS POPPING. I WILL NEVER UNHEAR THAT.

[@ZephyrsTuneOfficial]

I love that the "Eugenics" Eugene Levy book has the foreward by Jason Biggs 16:58

[@no-hc2ko]

Ah yes! Jason "Pie-Fucker" Biggs

[@57goku]

Idk I feel like some people who talk about “playing God” don’t mean it in the literal sense. They’re just being figurative. They’re point is more about being arrogant and thinking you can mess with whatever you want without making huge mistakes or causing a huge downfall.

[@HallaDarVemArDu]

57goku - Then they shouldn’t eat anything that contains GMOs. Humans have been messing with the genetics of things for a long time including the plants and animals that most of us eat daily. Most of those who use God as a defense are hypocrites who don’t apply what they say to all aspects of their lives.

[@57goku]

Pygmy Norton alright? Who’s to say they’re okay with eating genetically modified foods? And everyone has different ideas of when we’re going too far. My point is they just want to feel like people aren’t being reckless when they say that phrase. You’re being mad extra, I don’t want to debate what’s a valid thing to be against

[@alexanderrobins7497]

Meanwhile the people are so opposed to human gene editing because it is "playing god", praise others for getting IVF or sperm donations when "god" is clearly yelling: "YOU BETTER NOT F**KING REPRODUCE!!!"

[@Redbrack]

I'd like to see the next minute of that Chinese scientist clip, because it seemed like he was laughing at the god reference, not the serious repurcussions of gene editing. It'd be like somewhere worrying about Thor's reaction to a new meteorological tool. If it's a metaphor fine, but why would that chinese scientist know the 'role of God' metaphor? Weird clip to use, and interesting place to cut it off before the scientist really says anything...

[@PropheticShadeZ]

Ross Howard-Hildige it also might be because of the communist party's policy on religion, its a different world in china

[@jaelynn7575]

​@@PropheticShadeZ Except China is now more capitalist than communist (they have 1 million millionaires) but yes, China keeps a close eye on all religions to make sure people are not becoming extremists, or political, like they are in the US which is unconstitutional. Time to strip tax-exemption from churches that are pushing politics. The US should start doing some of that b/c there are too many people in the US who just want to "kill" science and there are religious groups in the US that are STILL abusing and oppressing women/girls. The Chinese are laughing at how absurd we've become! They are much more advanced in biotechnology than the US now because religious groups in the US are causing us to fall behind in biotechnology and many other areas of science. China just invested $350 billion into biotechnology. Thank George H.W. Bush, who banned stem cell research in 2001, for setting the US back a generation or two! We could be much further advanced if religion would just stay away from scientific research! There was a PhD student at Vanderbilt who was growing tiny hearts, life-saving work, inside of mice. His goal was to get rid of the shortage of organs for transplant. The religious people in that state shut down his work! He had to find a University to continue his work. It's a losing battle for those people b/c even if they kick science out of their state b/c of "beliefs," people will go to another state. I'm starting to be jaded by "state's rights." We should become like a normal country and not have 50 different laws. It's starting to get out of hand. People shouldn't have to move from the state they've lived in their whole lives just so they can stop their child's seizures with medical cannabis, or move b/c they want to die with dignity, or force women to have to go to another state for a safe abortion. z

[@PropheticShadeZ]

Jae Lynn while i agree that the us has problems, and china does have advantages, i think the most important difference is that the us is able to debate and discuss the gov policy, while that freedom of information hinders complex debating. Hurting the countries ability to change. In america accountability is a constantly strived for goal, china has recently become an example of how totalitarian thinking can oppress 20% of the human race under the nose of democratic nations

[@MrDanisve]

Only the US anyone cares about god these days :P And yea, horrible reference. Most of modern people are not religious except in the US

[@ninjaked1265]

MrDanisve religion is still all over the world dumbass 😒

[@thehighnoonsaloon7794]

"I'm going to get drunk and crispr myself" oh sweet Jesus.

[@hoodglasses8237]

Clearly an alcoholic.

[@TimeandMonotony]

"Kramer, what the hell are you talking about?" "A pig-man! Half man, half PIG!"

[@filmfervor]

TimeandMonotony add some bear in there... Excelsior!

[@Shazoo1997]

Justin Kincaid I'm super cereal

[@julianc3701]

all I could think about when he said that

[@kevinshaffman2938]

ManBearPig. Half man, half bear, half pig.

[@72marshflower15]

JR Gracie manbearpig!!!

[@robeyhines8149]

Anyone else notice the scientist lady's last name literally ends in *DNA* 2:42

[@Brainbuster]

Mark the time.

[@robeyhines8149]

Brainbuster my bad lol

[@raf42]

Um, no? Not like it would matter, but you're wrong. Born female, and she has that last name because her parents had that last name.

[@MrFantocan]

Illuminati confirmed!

[@rachelb.684]

Raf Jesus Christ it's her last name as well

[@ducheswannabe]

Every time I watch LWT somehow I get depressed but at the same time I feel better. weird...

[@CommonCent]

duchesswannabe think that's the vibe he's going for

[@MyJC19]

just like complimisults

[@Matika]

He makes us understand how fucked a certain aspect of society is, that maybe we have not considered before. But he also gives us a little bit of hope and maybe a good direction to take.

[@willritter4076]

I'd greatly appreciate it if some fellow John Oliver fans/concerned citizens would check out my acoustic piano & vocal covers of various 80s/90s classic songs on my channel. Covers include Sting, George Michael, Billy Joel, Pete Townshend, Tom Petty, GooGoo Dolls, Steely Dan, Counting Crows, Phil Collins, and some lesser known 1-hit artists. Live acoustic with no autotune. Thanks and peace.

[@Leonparker434]

Sports will not be the same. The chinese want gene editing so that they can play like kobe, ronaldo, and jordan 😰

[@pappal7718]

I don’t think I’ve seen anything more Australian than a guy swerving all over the road to kill as many frogs as possible

[@lloydhedges3011]

*toads. We love frogs.

[@aaron2709]

The Chinese scientist is not being flip about gene editing. He's reacting to the interviewer's suggestion a 'god' is involved in human biology.

[@bjf10]

"Playing god" is a meaningless analogy, since gods do not exist.

[@MetsuryuVids]

@Forx_o That's not edgy, he's just stating a fact. At least regarding "Gods" as defined by religions.

[@ziggy_starz]

Brian F Considering a lot of people believe in God, it’s not a meaningless statement. Just because you don’t believe in one doesn’t nullify the entire implication and meaning of “playing God”. I’d imagine you can still comprehend what that phrase means without being religious yourself.

[@MetsuryuVids]

@Liz T I agree with Brian, I think it's kind of meaningless without the context of religion. When you say it assuming God is real, you mean it in a way that implies it's a bad thing, because we cannot be so "arrogant" I guess, to defy God's will? Or some shit like that. It's stupid if you consider that there is no God, because that just means we are trying to improve upon the random shit that happened naturally, which is sometimes disadvantageous to us, so of course we want to fix it. If we can fix something that's bad, we should do it, and saying it's "playing God" is just a bullshit argument that has no meaning in a rational society. Edit: And of course, I'm not saying that there are no risks, far from it, but "Don't play god" is not a good way to warn a scientist against the potential risks of something, it's something that people say because they are afraid of god, not because they concluded rationally that such a thing could be risky.

[@SteelBollocks]

Liz T the problem is that they use the term "playing god". when you could say "playing mother nature" and mean the same thing yes, you could argue that it's arrogant for humans to think we understand nature so much that we can message with it and know the results, but in the end, from the day we started selectively breeding livestock we have been screwing with nature

[@Jackal_Blitz]

If America's only qualm with gene editing is, "Uh, what about God?", then I'm with the Chinese guy on this one.

[@Jackal_Blitz]

Radical Theories In the segment with the Chinese guy, all the interviewer said was that people think that things like gene editing are left to a higher power, implying God. I wasn't referring to what John said.

[@daltonhayhurst1]

But is it “playing god” to save the child god obviously wanted to die?

[@vilecrocodile9171]

Didn't God flood the planet for gene editing?

[@Odinsday]

For many people, it’s just a simple phrase. It would have made more sense to say something like “Is playing with nature on this level the best idea.”

[@dottyjyoung]

There are plenty of sects that don't allow ANY medicine for this exact reason. It's a stupid argument there, and it's a stupid argument here.

[@Zahlenteufel1]

The Chinese scientist had exactly the right reaction because that was an objectively bad reason to oppose gene editing.

[@magnetospin]

Yea, I don't know what response John Oliver was expecting from a scientist on a question like that.

[@addave4428]

I loved his reaction, he was almost laughing at our society and how we prevent a technology because, "Oh no! It challenges our god."

[@dying_pau9721]

Out of all the things in gene-editing people can be scared of, They choose an imaginary person

[@moritzsinghartinger5376]

Regardless of your view on religion the interviewer points out the vast influence and power humanity gains through gene editing and he questions how and whether we are capable of dealing with this responsibility. So if you don't take his question too literal I find it extremely relevant indeed.

[@AwsomeKat777]

I don't think the main issue behind the "God Argument" is that "oh let's not piss off god" its the idea of "let's not play god" or just falling into being overconfident with power and not really being able to control it.

[@sketchtastrophe2591]

Just wanted to say that Cane Toad documentary is high key one of my fav docu's ever. Highly recommend, it is a trip.

[@jacksparrowismydaddy]

two graphic designers that went to school together meet at a bar. first desiner says "so I worked on some of the avengers movies, what are you doing?" the second takes a drink and then replies "well I put together a series with an alchohalic mouse getting banged by a tick in the shower" the first one looks horrified "dear god why?" the second one says "well I work for John Oliver." they both nod and sip their drinks.

[@Greenfirework]

As a graphic design student, I really appreciate this haha

[@jacksparrowismydaddy]

hey me too ^.^ former though

[@eugenessemakula6214]

Hilarious!

[@jacksparrowismydaddy]

thank you :)

[@dldarby82]

I have to disagree with the LP woman. If dwarfism can be eliminated, that would be a good thing. Dwarfs suffer from organ failure, bone malformations, joint problems, and seldom live an average lifespan.

[@dldarby82]

Not to infer that they are "less than" an average person. But if science can eliviate them from these burdens, or prevent children from having to deal with complications, how is that not the moral choice?

[@drunkenrampage1588]

Yeah but the bad thing is we won't be able to remake Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory or Austin Powers.

[@katelynnehansen8115]

Dan “not to “imply””. Infer is the message someone else takes from reading your comment, while imply is the message you are trying to put across.

[@amandadavenport2020]

You should read Far From the Tree by Andrew Solomon. It provides a much more nuanced look into the possible elimination of these conditions and the impact that may have on our society.

[@wasd____]

@@amandadavenport2020 "Diversity is good for society" is a bad argument for not eliminating medically harmful or disadvantaging conditions. No one owes it to society to live in pain, have a shortened average lifespan, or have to accept some other detrimental condition for everyone else's benefit.

[@Epicmonk117]

Will we be able to create unicorns with gene editing in the future? Yes. Should we create unicorns with gene editing in the future? Not right away.

[@SpecOps140]

Epicmonk117 I dont fucking get the point of unicorns, I like my horses like I like my comments; pointless.

[@ArawnOfAnnwn]

The point of a unicorn is to be magical. Can gene editing make them magical? No? Then move the fuck on!

[@timeforsuchaword]

"Let's put horns on horses" is like saying "let's make venomous rats" or "let's make seagulls that breathe fire."

[@midnight8341]

You're absolutely right, we should create them NOW. I mean, let's be honest, horse populations are pretty easy to control, so unicorns wouldn't get out of hand. On the other side, they could ignite the curiosity of little kids to go into life sciences, or science in general.

[@shanadir]

Scotland Dobson i think that was the point:p

[@alek493]

- Is this how you make dinosaurs? - No, this is how you play God.

[@Craterfist]

0:45 The name Rampage comes from a series of video games of the same name. In these games, you play a giant gorrila, giant wolf, and giant lizard and destroy buildings and stuff.

[@Madisongs]

I was waiting for someone to say this!

[@FriendlyNeighborhoodDM]

Ahhhhh, they used Vanessa Hill from Braincraft! Fantastic series, so underrated. Thanks for showing it!

[@hindsightpov4218]

GATTACA! GATTACA! GATTACA!

[@gordo_cabron]

Surprising how there's not a single reference to the most obvious movie regarding this issue...

[@PseudonymousCoward]

The main character is avoiding scanning, but the person he's pretending to be was edited.

[@maythesciencebewithyou]

You do know that at the end the moral of the movie was that effort beats (genetically altered) talent

[@jriceblue]

You do know ... IT WAS A MOVIE?!? It's fiction. Science *fiction*. Gah!

[@xZeroTheGreat]

Intelligent effort, hacking. Intelligence beats everything. Raw power or repetition does nothing. Genetic modifications in Gattaca hadn't touched intelligence much, Limitless explores it much better even without gene editing per se

[@NxDoyle]

If God is a cane toad, most Australians who have lived in the more northerly regions during summer, myself included, are going to hell. We treated cane toads in much the same way people treat flies & mosquitoes. In fact, returning home to Queensland after years in America, I was blown away by how quickly and almost unconsciously I reacted to the sight of a cane toad on a humid summer night. I saw it, I killed it. Bing bang boom.

[@jessetorres8738]

I've said this before, I'll say it again: John Oliver makes videos over topics that seem boring or uninteresting at first, but later seem important for us to know and motivate us to do something about the issue! Update after reading replies: The 1 subject I never found interesting and barely passed in school and college was science, so I went into this video not initially interested in the subject, but because it's a John Oliver video I had I feeling he would make it entertaining to watch.

[@rgwak]

It's not easy to incorporate a minute long story about a mouse fucking a tick in the middle of a gene editing deep dive...yet somehow, he does it!

[@xyrsze999]

You know what some may call him a maverick some may call him an anchor some may call him an adult ....... *chuckles* haaaaaa

[@dominika3762]

What do you find interesting if you think gene editing is boring? Just out of curiosity.

[@xyrsze999]

Dominika circles and math... mostly squares..................... *Not troll comment I swear*

[@ItsDangerousGoAlone]

Its true, i seriously never cared about the mouse who finds a tick on tender but maybe we could figure out some sort of support group for them so they dont get so desperate.

[@kishorkafle]

Couldn’t read all comments but the one i read didn’t mention this. Rock “The Dwayne” Johnson.

[@likeabunnie]

Kishor Kafle thank you for stepping up to the plate, I was searching for the same thing! ;)

[@Montesama314]

I love that haughty chuckle from the Chinese scientist when the other dude said "up to god." Come on, guys, there might be reasons we should be careful, but "god would rather do it" is a dumb reason.

[@sanitysquota937]

We are raised so entrenched in religion in, America, that it can be difficult to see a point of view that does not fear the phrase 'playing God'. The fact that I am an atheist and still I instinctively capitalized that 'g' in God is just one example of our lifelong programming. I no longer feel bitter toward religion as a whole but still find it frustrating when religious beliefs interfere with scientific advancement. 'Playing God' is what humanity has always done. That is the free will we supposedly have.

[@synterlu]

Yeah, I'm surprised John didn't address how the interviewer portrayed the west as religious nuts, when this is hardly the case (specially EU)

[@CassandrashadowcassMorrison]

I don't care as long as whoever is doing it accepts full responsibility for the outcome.

[@veganarchistcommunist3051]

Captions said the guy was selling DIY CRISPR kids out of his garage. Turn on captions. They get funny sometimes.

[@MrClickity]

The part at the end: OK, I get not wanting to think of your condition as a "condition" because you don't want to be thought of as flawed but let's be real here. It *is* a condition, one that tends to come with a whole slew of health problems. My cousin has dwarfism. He's a great guy and perfectly happy with his life, even found a loving wife... only he's often in the hospital for various joint and respiratory problems and his wife has been wheelchair-bound for the past decade. All of those problems are tied directly to their dwarfism. You bet your ass they'd rather have been born without it, just like someone with cerebral palsy or cystic fibrosis would prefer not to have those things. It doesn't mean those conditions define who you are or that they're something to be ashamed of. It just means that they objectively lower a person's quality of life.

[@Fatikis42]

There are a few with dwarfism that don't experience these issues at least with the same level of severity. Those are usually the ones fighting trying to pretend it something that should be preserved. It is honestly pretty sick wanting your kid to be a dwarf.

[@MrClickity]

Troy Warren exactly. For a much less severe version, I'm really nearsighted. Without my glasses, all I can see beyond about 20 feet is vague blurry shapes. Thankfully, I can compensate with my glasses and not be hindered in any significant way. That doesn't change the fact that I'd be better off with naturally 20/20 vision and, given the option, I'd rather not pass my poor vision on to my kids. Though I think "person with dwarfism" is a preferable term to "dwarf" because it emphasizes the fact that dwarfism is something you have, not something you are.

[@nunyabizness6553]

Element115 What is a "normal human"? We very so greatly around the globe that very little room for "normal" exists. While I understand the urge to change a future child's life by removing a disability, I also fear that it could be used to erase certain communities with their own cultures. There are many people with Autism (like myself) who cope with it and move on. I feel like erasing the chance for my child to have Autism is just as bad as having killed it for being born with Autism. Many other people with disabilities feel the same way.

[@heraclitusblacking1293]

Maybe you didn't know this, but there are people without dwarfism that have those problems too. It is not up to you to decide what is "normal," this is precisely why eugenics isn't just morally outrageous, it is also an outright pseudoscience.

[@BattleBrawlerHikaru]

Heraclitus Blacking You can discuss all day about what is considered normal, but that isn't going to change the fact that people with certain conditions like dwarfism have considerable disadvantages compared to those who don't. It's great that those people learn to cope with those disadvantages, but it's still morally outrageous for some of them to want their children to have those disadvantages too, IF there was a reasonable option to prevent it. Also, just because some people have similar symptoms without dwarfism, doesn't make the condition of those who's symptoms come from dwarfism less bad.

[@allsortsoffurs]

Menbearpig. Half man, half bear, half pig. I'm super cereal.

[@MrJorge3010]

HA! Gave me a good chuckle there

[@The1Critic2]

Most people can't even move an image in Microsoft Word without having the whole document turn into a Picasso. So people are going to have this Krispy Kreme kit delivered from Guy Fieris weird cousin?!?! All righty then.

[@dand1253]

What blows me away here is that apparently, there's a weirdo out there who seems to think that the Gatherer's Gardens were a brilliant idea and that all the insane mutants were completely unrelated.

[@hazukichanx408]

Well, suppose they do turn their DNA into a picasso painting! What's the worst that could happen?^^ ...Oh right... unimaginable body horrors with a potentially contagious level of instability.

[@kimmyball4961]

YES!!

[@victorselve8349]

Just use Latex instead.

[@nopewhy6047]

I love this neutral approach with well based research.

[@dezodroya]

total unbiasness is imposible tbh this is as good as it gets

[@hakesho]

I thought the exact opposite. I thought he went so far out of his way to talk about the risks that he resorted to retarded points like "playing god".

[@kozhedub]

Passport "Being ableist isn't cool, man. That's why I'm recommending eugenics to remove you from the gene pool" The irony doesn't get much juicier than that

[@dezodroya]

the scientic method is a morally neutral prosses, while journalism a political comentary, by definition it has a moral stance, people call thing unbias when they dont agree with their jugments, but i non-jugmental political comentary is definitionally imposible, call of bias are basically saying i gave a diferent opinion than you, with the imply asumption that the reason why that is is because the other person is being dishonest, is silly ideological nonsense

[@nopewhy6047]

Passport Well, I think they also made fun of that biohacker dude enough to buffer that 'warmth' or 'atheistic view'

[@keatontyo]

I like how Johnny didn't even mention how the man that injected himself with his own muscle juice immediately takes a swig from a flask.

[@ArgueWithTheMajority]

And thus, Biohackers became the first splicers from Bioshock.

[@dekaw9138]

Richy bioshock is better than the cyberman But I’m hoping it’s more like Harmony in Civ beyond earth

[@rgderen88]

It's spelled sploicer

[@ArgueWithTheMajority]

@@rgderen88 If this is an allusion to something, I honestly don't get it.

[@ArgueWithTheMajority]

@@dekaw9138 Haven't played that yet, but if Bioshock and that game are thematically remotely similar, I'm interested.

[@rgderen88]

@@ArgueWithTheMajority You played the first game, right? Sure, your guide is talking about splicers, but he never once says splicers, he says sploicers.

[@pappal7718]

I don’t WANT someone to be able to edit my autism. I love the way I think, and I wouldn’t want that to be able to be taken away. I don’t think it’s a bad thing.

[@Banter07]

My concern precisely

[@dingkong5034]

You may think it isn't a bad thing, but science and biology says otherwise.

[@Banter07]

@@dingkong5034 science and biology are the tools, you're making a philosophical argument here, not a scientific one. Disabled people should have the right to self determination, and not have our futures decided by some eugenicist fools.

[@tagranon6927]

@@dingkong5034 Grandin Temple would like to have a few words with you. Also, at least 16% of STEM majors. Get back to me when someone else not only cares about animal welfare, but also singlehandedly redesigns an entire industry around it, and dramatically reduces accidents and deaths regarding livestock.

[@MatthewSchellGaming]

Well we are going to need 30 foot mutant wolves to fight against all the robots that uprisen against us.

[@donatodiniccolodibettobardi842]

How that dialogue from John Betancourt's Amber prequels went? Something like this: “So you've retaken Juniper,” I said. “Doesn't that leave us with, ah, a slight troll problem?” “Half a million troll problems,” Freda said. “We can bring in giants to take care of the trolls,” Aber said. “And then dragons, I suppose, to take care of the giants?” I said with a annoyed snort. “Now you're getting the idea!”

[@TrapGod_JackofAllTrades]

Make a movie of this. Its golden.

[@DetectiveMekova]

Robots won't be a problem. The self-checkout at the local grocery store couldn't tell whether I was sticking my debit card in to pay, or if I was robbing the store. Also my buddy owns a self-parking car that couldn't self-park in an empty parking lot because there wasn't enough space for it to maneuver.

[@111cvb111]

The furries will save us.

[@phantomspaceman]

This already happened in the 70's. Killer cars got loose and we made 50 foot cats to stomp on them all but the cost was simply too high. And that's why London bans all laser projectors within a 10 mile radius.

[@JeanLucPicard85]

You don't have to spend the next 2000 years worshiping the scientist.

[@keepdancingmaria]

You can just say, "Thanks." I loved it.

[@theplayerformerlyknownasmo3711]

You also don't have marry a 6 year old and beat your multiple wives

[@chibi013]

To be fair, no one had to worship Jesus either, he just asked them to be good people but now we have Mormons and the Catholic church

[@maythesciencebewithyou]

No, I'm fine with 1999 years of worship. I'm that humble.

[@DaDunge]

Seriously often enough you don't even have to say thanks you just have to listen to science the next time it says something.

[@AmethystEyes]

He didn’t mention the movie GATTACA? That is basically a movie showing the problems with gene editing and Eugenics! It’s a great artistic example.

[@bennyton2560]

Was waiting for such comments hahahha. Love that movie and Uma Thurman

[@PokeMultiverse]

I dont think works should be discredited as much as they are though. They exist as a way of imagining the consequences of certain future possibilities. Black Mirror is all hypothetical but it shows a very possible reality of certain advancements that people may not think twice about at the time of creating such an advancement. Before movies and shows, it was books. people seem perfectly okay citing works such as 1984 in discussion related to hypothetical future consequences. Also this isnt me taking one side or another on the actual issue brought up in John Oliver's video

[@Gillsing]

As I remember it, and as the start of the Wikipedia plot summary indicates (tl;dr), Gattaca wasn't about gene editing, but about the eugenics society resorted to because they apparently lacked the technology to edit genes. There's no real need to _pretend_ that you have your brother's genes if you could use gene editing to actually _acquire_ those genes. So they should've shown the movie Gattaca as a great artistic (fictional) example of problems that gene editing could solve?

[@CadenUnnasch]

Jesse McDonald I don't think he meant it should discredit it at all, just that it raises some interesting talking points ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@ipurra]

Amazing movie.

[@connortobin7398]

Furries of the world, this is how you get your werewolf boyfriends. Remember that when deciding whether or not to dismiss gene editing in the future

[@VengefulAngeI]

I assumed when you started the sentence with "furries of the world, this is how -", that you were going to end by saying "you will be edited out of future generations" 🤷

[@defensivekobra3873]

1) turning somebody into a wolf-man is probably something that has to be done from birth and not something you can do at a whim, raising all the ethical concerns of designer babies with the added horror of condemming a child to be a socially outcast sex object 2) this comment has 69 likes, how appropriate 3) laura the bot has become sentient, knowning that y'all need the soundproof curtains, i know you want them, buy them bitch

[@aidanyelsma7762]

There once was a man from Nantucket Who gathered some mice in a bucket. He altered those mice Engineered with a splice And now all of the seagulls are dead.

[@intigfx]

Disappointed at that one. It just sounds like basic anti-GMO fearmongering we've been hearing for decades, yet the genetic apocalypse is nowhere to be seen.

[@F_lippy]

GOOD. Seagulls are assholes anyway. Have you ever caught yourself feeding a Seagull totino pizza rolls? They pester you while doing a show ad nauseam until they get hungry enough to eat newly hatched baby sea turtles. Of which they actually do. Fuck seagulls. not in the mice/tick way.

[@phantomspaceman]

He could have made it rhyme. I get that the joke is supposed to be flat but it's cliche (like most of John's jokes).

[@its.caroline8096]

The scientist from Nantucket seems more prepared and is using more caution than prisons with lethal injections 😶😶

[@liamnehren1054]

If the world was more serious about science we would have underground completely functional artificially produced ecological systems surrounded by impenetrable materials in all directions, Imagine a forest inside a single room of a bunker with a kill switch that incinerates everything inside. As it is that scientist and many others are doing the best they can with all the funding they should be getting going towards athletes and armies.

[@defensivekobra3873]

1) its a scientist not some dipshit with zero medical training who does not know shit, and the thing he is doing can negatively affect a way larger amount of organisims than just a single prisoner society has already deemed worthy of death how the fuck is that suprising 2) liam your biodome idea sucks ass and there is no such thing as an inpenetrable material

[@emilyb.8219]

I feel bad for whoever had to make the images for the mouse/flea bit

[@Boog_masskway]

Emily E B *mouse/tick bit

[@joshuamartin4103]

You spelled jealous wrong

[@thatkidwiththehoodie]

It was a tick you racist

[@number1authority]

“with a foreword by By Jason Biggs” … Perhaps my all-time favorite combination of English words.

[@hmmyesinteresting]

Designer Life boutta be so expensive.

[@xyrsze999]

hmm yes interesting. BRUH U DIDN'T NOT JUST MAKE THAT JOKE

[@insertcognomen]

get single payer healthcare now so in the future everyone can have designer life

[@MoreCurlsMoreGurls]

better get to work then!

[@orc001]

Nah bruh imma pirate that shit

[@bus6292]

The solution is BRO - cialism

[@B33t_R007]

The mammuth story was quite impressive though, i didn't know they made these babysteps yet!

[@kadh9941]

Que the Jurassic Park music.

[@enkiimuto1041]

Exactly jurassic park, they wouldn't look exactly like the originals, although we DO have mammoth DNA and none of dinosaurs. Biggest challenge is birth.

[@TF2CrunchyFrog]

There is no point in cloning extinct animals even if we could do it (and in case of dinosaurs, no we can't and never will, the DNA is too shredded and degraded after millions of years of exposure to cosmic radiation), if their habitat is gone. Often, the reason why a species went extinct is the destruction of their habitat! And even if the habitat is still more or less there (which includes the entirety of the ecological web, plants, animals, their food as well as predators that used to prey on the species we want to clone), once a species is gone entirely, even if we preserved egg cells and sperm, a cloned animal bred in a womb of a different species, lacks the symbiotic bacterial holobiome which every multicellular plant, fungus and animal needs to thrive and (in some cases) to survive. The holobiome is no longer there. You might be able to establish a new one and feed the cloned Mammuth contemporary plants, but don't get mad if, once you have a herd that breeds, natural selection will affect these former ice-age animals and cull the ones with the long thick hair that causes them overheating, and over the span of generations you will end up with mammuth that look quite different from what you wanted. And saying "oh we will put the mammuths and wooly rhinos into actic theme parks where rich hunters can hunt them to prevent overpopulation"... well no, apart from it being unethical, the real ice-age plant eaters didn't live on glaciers up in Spitzbergen... they lived all over Europe, down to Southern Europe, where despite the colder overall climate the seasonal day and night cycles were the same as they are now, as those depend on global latitude, which affects plant growth.

[@B33t_R007]

It will happen at some point with "recently" extinct animals. Especially from todays standpoint exotic animals, like saber tooth tiger and mammuth, will make up for a very fancy park and therefore money. Life... finds a way

[@TheyCallMeMrMaybe]

Yep. How do you impregnate the right evolutionary ancestor with a genetically modified sperm? And how much would it resemble the mother?

[@Ivalene]

You can post any scene from any movie The Rock is in the forest in and you’ll never guess which one it is

[@otakon17]

Elexess Ashley I will accept that challenge!

[@lightninghedgehog5963]

Elexess Ashley Moana

[@KrytenKoro]

there literally was. Lovecraft wrote a horror story about refrigeration

[@XxXNOSCOPEURASSXxX]

Was it about how scary black people would freeze people?

[@aquicha8168]

@@XxXNOSCOPEURASSXxX I think he might be talking about the story where a dead doctor keeps himself from decomposing in a super cold apartment.

[@anujaabhyankar7685]

When you realise John Oliver looks like Clippy. Grandma feathers has some answering to do.

[@vbelens]

*Slow clap* She really does

[@codox4963]

Re-watching after learning crispr babies from China. Oliver is a prophet.

[@randomperson8571]

"Could CRISPR give us unicorns?" Asking the right questions, damn. This lady knows what's up

[@Ender586]

randomperson8571 Yeah it was a silly part to spice up otherwise serious video, but that's why they selected it, so I'm happy for her anyway.

[@HeadIsOnFire]

look at the glance in her eyes when she asks that question...

[@davidchapman6684]

She's a KZbinr, check her out at BrainCraft. She was being silly in the clip, but she's smart

[@onemorelivingvids]

What’s terrifying isn’t the technology itself but the possibility of bio-hackers accidentally creating the next pandemic when trying to give themselves bigger muscles 😣

[@TheUltimateBlooper]

sounds like that one city in china a couple years back... you know - the country where morals (or copyright laws) don't exist xD

[@gernhartreinholzen3992]

Bigger muscles... yeh... That would be the SECOND thing they'll work on, after the first project was successful. Project HORSE COCK.

[@aproxamillionwasps474]

@@TheUltimateBlooper why do you think Chinese people don’t have morals because Xi is a monster. You dummy lol

[@orion9590]

@@TheUltimateBlooper I must inform you that copyright laws, create a very arteficial monopoly on things, and generally negaitvly impact people's life on Earth. see: Inzulin.

[@TheUltimateBlooper]

@@orion9590 I'm fully aware that the system is broken, don't worry. I'm glad I don't live in that garbage pile they call "the US" for that exact reason. That being said - there has to be SOME sort of protection for artists and inventors so that their work isn't blatantly stolen, but that would also have limits on how much cash you can actually make from it. It's complicated.

[@marcorossi1763]

17:25 I think John Oliver has probably misunderstood the scientist's reaction here. I think he's probably just agnostic/atheist and thinks the idea of a conscious creator is itself laughable.

[@chiloveradiouncut]

Exactly!

[@TheUrbanGaze]

As an atheist myself, I had the same reaction towards the idea that humans shouldn't "play god." And atheism is actually highly common in China, due to their communist history.

[@gandaruvu]

@@TheUrbanGaze saying atheism is common in China is a bit misleading, because traditional East Asian culture have different way to see religions. While western view see religion as this single spiritual ideological school of thought that a person believe in, East Asian culture tend to practice everything without really identifying with a single ideology. So someone can have a Buddhist funeral, do ancestral worship, and go to Confucian temple during new year to give offering, but when asked what religion they have, they can't really answer it. The same with Japan, you have Shinto birth ceremony, got married in a church, and have a Buddhist funeral. One of the biggest issues European missionary faced in Japan was when newly baptised Japanese were confused why they were not allowed to do Buddhist and Shinto rituals anymore.

[@letsRegulateSociopaths]

yeah, in a culture that recently starved the hell out of itself, taking control of things probably looks pretty good.

[@Aloysius10]

artcom Nobody should “play God” if that’s what one believes, but one doesn’t have to follow conventional morality if they have the ability to ignore it. Also if it gets excellent results nobody will care about the morality.

[@marywiebe5758]

As one of many with Chronic Myelogenous Leukemia, i believe this would be a life saver.

[@KelseyEdwardsen]

I'm a recovering alcoholic, with clear genetic alcoholism (the allergy whereby the chemicals aren't all broken down in the liver, and instead go to the brain, further breaking down into the crystalline structure utilized by the beta (alcohol dopamine) receptacles, AND into a crystalline structure equal to an opiate (hence utilized in the opiate receptors) thereby creating the 'best experience ever' the first time tasting the poison). I would love to genetically modify this out of my children, as I'm in my mid thirties and sober, but unwilling to have children as I fear passing this gene. While it's a fine line that must be walked, I'm sure there are other alcoholics who believe that this disease is best not passed down...

[@jaelynn7575]

I haven't heard of that! I wonder if there is a correlation to mental disorders like schizophrenia, b/c they tend to self-medicate with alcohol a lot.

[@gumunduringigumundsson9344]

@@jaelynn7575wow! We are definitely in the future. Just to see a question like that. We are like 500 manhattan projects from having a small clue what to do to counter many of the most basic and least subtle effects of biology I´m guessing,.. that means like 5 years if we wanted to, but 20 years if we allow the army and private market to be the only ones on it, which seems most likely. Did I make any sense or should I just go CRISPR my self?

[@gumunduringigumundsson9344]

Can you please Kelsey send a link on the subject. Thank you so much. These them must be a one of them neew science eh?

[@michaelhall5429]

Even if it is one/or just a few specific gene that causes alcoholism what other functions does that gene/s have that would disappear as well?

[@victorvelie3980]

@@michaelhall5429 you don't get rid of the genes, just replace them with the standard, non-problem-causing variety

[@Thenoobestgirl]

Orphan Black has taught me more about gene editing than any of my science teachers at school.

[@bluedreamkush2392]

This is unrelated but I've always found it funny when people say "it's a miracle" moments after being given a thorough explanation by doctors on how their state of the art technology works and how they plan to use it. I bet it rubs most doctors the wrong way when people say that phrase.

[@fandomguy8025]

@Deborah Chen Exactly. "God gave us this amazing thing!" Scientists who spent their life working on this on deathbed: FUCK YOU. *beeeeeep*

[@markcobuzzi826]

I guess it depends on the individual person. I am sure there are a decent amount of religious people who would not exactly consider thanking God and thanking a skilled doctor to be mutually exclusive. I know this is an incredibly old joke, but I imagine this could reflect how some of those people would think: A terrible storm came into a town and local officials sent out an emergency warning that the riverbanks would soon overflow and flood the nearby homes. They ordered everyone in the town to evacuate immediately. A faithful Christian man heard the warning and decided to stay, saying to himself, “I will trust God and if I am in danger, then God will send a divine miracle to save me.” The neighbors came by his house and said to him, “We’re leaving and there is room for you in our car, please come with us!” But the man declined. “I have faith that God will save me.” As the man stood on his porch watching the water rise up the steps, a man in a canoe paddled by and called to him, “Hurry and come into my canoe, the waters are rising quickly!” But the man again said, “No thanks, God will save me.” The floodwaters rose higher pouring water into his living room and the man had to retreat to the second floor. A police motorboat came by and saw him at the window. “We will come up and rescue you!” they shouted. But the man refused, waving them off saying, “Use your time to save someone else! I have faith that God will save me!” The flood waters rose higher and higher and the man had to climb up to his rooftop. A helicopter spotted him and dropped a rope ladder. A rescue officer came down the ladder and pleaded with the man, "Grab my hand and I will pull you up!" But the man STILL refused, folding his arms tightly to his body. “No thank you! God will save me!” Shortly after, the house broke up and the floodwaters swept the man away and he drowned. When in Heaven, the man stood before God and asked, “I put all of my faith in You. Why didn’t You come and save me?” And God said, “Son, I sent you a warning. I sent you a car. I sent you a canoe. I sent you a motorboat. I sent you a helicopter. What more were you looking for?”

[@SyedShoaib]

I think atheists sometimes get unnecessarily worked over on certain vocabulary. And I can certainly understand that it comes from their fundamental frustration with religion. But people don't always use certain words to represent a cult, or theology, but often to just express wonder. Apple always calls its products magical.

[@markcobuzzi826]

+Syed Shoaib Kind of like how some atheists also get worked up over people using the rhetoric of "playing God" and say that people are once more trying to force dogma on them, despite the fact that it is a figure of speech, which can be used by secular and religious people alike? Whenever anyone is tampering with forces/structures that govern the very fabric of nature and the universe, without the same foreknowledge to know all the possible outcomes/repercussions, the term of "playing God" definitely applies.

[@ACDBunnie]

Well I'm athiest and when I use the word "miracle" I don't mean it in any religious way, just that it's wonderful and was unlikely (with any risky procedure, even when the doctors know how it works, the probability the procedure will work out and solve the problem is small)