Lathe brake issue on Workshop Wednesday

[@RustyGlovebox]

Nice work on testing with and without the brake . Good luck getting any information on th noise your hearing. Thanks for sharing the progress. Take care Joseph

[@GardenTractorBoy]

Thanks 👍 We had assumed that a lot of the noise was coming from the brake but it would appear not. The lathe works well so it is not urgent to get to the bottom of this. Take care

[@ImByAbdul]

Your hard work boy is an inspiration indeed

[@GardenTractorBoy]

Thank you very much

[@kooldoozer]

If you lathe is like my 17" Colchester, the input shaft runs on splash lube bushings, NOT ball bearings. A major cheap out. Pull the top cover and pry on the input shaft, to see if your bushings are spanked. ----Doozer

[@GardenTractorBoy]

We do have an odd noise coming from the head that needs investigation so it will be interesting to see if it has bearings or bushings on the input shaft. Take care

[@philhermetic]

Thanks for the shout out Joseph! Try running the lathe with the chuck speed set low, if the noise stays at high speed, it is a bearing on the input shaft, which always goes at the same speed , if the noise slows down, but not to chuck speed, it is the intermediate shaft. Time to take the lid off and have a look. If you take the belts off and loop a piece of electrical cable round each shaft in turn, at either end of the shaft, next to the bearings, and see if you can lift the shaft whilst looking for any play in the bearings. Also look for up and dowm play on the input shaft where the pulley fits, if the lathe has run short of oil at some time, the bearings higher up in the gearbox may have got damaged. Good luck! Phil

[@GardenTractorBoy]

No problem, I hope the shout out gets you more views and subscribers. Thank you very much for the detailed reponse, we will try all the things you suggested. Does the input and intermediate shaft use standard bearings or is something special/expensive? Take care

[@philhermetic]

@@GardenTractorBoy all standard afaik. dont buy chinese but there is no need to go overboard, SKF or whatever! Phil

[@gatorsworld]

I really liked the inside look of your lathe....I purchased a Colchester lath from a school but decided it was just taking up to mutch re-estate in my garage so I gave it to my daughters and son in laws farm....they have much more space for the lathe. interesting video.....CHEERS

[@GardenTractorBoy]

Thanks. Colchester lathes were a very popular lathe to be used in schools over here and it is really cool that they sold Colchester's in Canada too. Take care

[@ab-shop]

Hi Joseph!!! Super thanks for the shout out of My channel! You dedicate to me some minutes, really really appreciated 😁 M very happy to have found your channel like others, this Is a nice manner to share our passion! M also happy that you like my message, write in a sufficent English by me 😂 This time Italian post had worked well, i have to be onest! Take care dear Joseph, see you soon, Alberto

[@GardenTractorBoy]

No problem, we were very happy to talk about your great videos and channel and we are thankful for the advice you have given use. Take care

[@RCAFpolarexpress]

Good evening Joseph Crew, you have a very nice lathe 👍👍👌👌😇😇 Ho boy, you have also like here noisy motorcycle ( at 4:21 ! ) 😤😤 Going to see your friend Alberto 😇😇👌👌👍👍 Hope that is not a bearing related problems 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏😇😇 Cheers 🍻🍻

[@GardenTractorBoy]

Thanks and I hope you enjoy Alberto's channel. The main road is a couple of miles away but we are up high up and often hear the noisy traffic. The lathe is a great machine and I think any issue we have is only minor as this type of lathe is noisy anyway. Take care

[@bigsonslawncare]

I will definitely go over and check out AB channel, Ive never used a Lathe this is very interesting✔👍

[@GardenTractorBoy]

They are a very interesting machine and great for making parts for our old garden tractors. Thanks for going over to see AB Shop. Take care

[@EverydayProjects]

I remember you working on this brake some months back??? It seems to work fine without it though and it will just take some getting used to. I'd bet you and the cameraman will still be pushing on the brake lever until you "break" the habit. I've been watching your subscribers grow and you are almost to 1000 ! I see you have a pair of welding gloves near the wood burning stove in the parlor--they make the safest and most comfortable gloves for poking in the stove. Nice to see you !

[@GardenTractorBoy]

Thanks, it is great to see the channel grow but I think it will be a while before we hit 1000. We could not really notice a difference with the brake removed either. It is possible that it would make a difference if we had a large chuck installed and we were working on something heavy. We started using welding gloves on the stove a few years ago and you are right, they work very well. Take care

[@OrangeismyNewGreen]

Great shoutouts Joseph, I will go check them out. As for the lathe, I didn’t really notice a difference 🤷🏼‍♂️. To be continued 😉. Have a great week 🙂🙋🏼‍♂️👍🏻

[@GardenTractorBoy]

Thanks for checking out the channels, I hope you like them as much as we do. We did think that a lot of the noise was coming from the brake but it seems not and removing the brake does not seem to make much difference. The lathe works well so it is not urgent to get to the bottom of this issue. Take care and I hope you are having a good week too

[@GrampiesWorkshop]

Good day eh!!! I never detected any change in the sound of the lathe with or without the brake so I would go with the bad bearing theory. Nice video and nice shout out too. Take care!!!

[@GardenTractorBoy]

Thanks. I think you are right, it made little or no difference and we need to examine the bearings. Take care

[@180Floridalife]

Thanks for anther great project, great stickers I will have to check out the channel From Alberto . Great work on the lathe sounds like a bearing is failing on the rear end from my headphones. Try lubing the bearing,if the noise of the bearing gets lower it needs replaced. If it’s a sealed bearing sounds like it needs replaced.

[@180Floridalife]

In any case I does sounds like a bearing starting to fail

[@GardenTractorBoy]

Thanks and I hope you enjoy Alberto's channel. I like your suggestion, we will follow up on it, thanks. The lathe has sounded like this ever since we got it a few years ago and it had not gotten any worse so I do not think we need to look into it as a matter of urgency, unless it gets worse. Take care

[@180Floridalife]

@@GardenTractorBoy some bearing will sounds “bad” for years before they go👍👍

[@houndsmanone4563]

Joseph, I hope you discover what may be making the clattering noise. I'm sure you can hear it clearly since you're directly in front of the lathe but I'm not experienced with lathes to provide you any assistance. I will go to AB's channel to show support and let him know you sent me. Have a fine remainder of the week and enjoy your summer. 👍🏽🙂 5/25/22

[@GardenTractorBoy]

Thanks and I hope you enjoy AB Shop's channel. This type of lathe is noisy anyway so it is difficult to know what it should sound like. Take care and I hope you enjoy the summer too. Take care

[@BuildALotAcres]

The lathe seemed the same to me. Great video Joseph as usual :)

[@GardenTractorBoy]

Thanks. I think you are right, it made little or no difference. Take care

[@ΕυθυμηςΝικ]

The noise is from the shafts,in the gearbox(headstock).I had the same problem.also I did some modifications to the brake system,because I wanted to start/stop or reverse the motor from the brake lever (with terminal switches)...it's very usefull on threadings....

[@GardenTractorBoy]

Thanks for the great information, what did you do to eliminate the problem from the shafts in the gearbox? Your modifications to the brake lever sound interesting too. Take care

[@ΕυθυμηςΝικ]

​​@@GardenTractorBoy I made new bronze bearings (bushings)on the shafts.(sorry for my English).also check the gear teeth.maybe the noise is from feeding gears. The conversion I did to the brake,was to cut the "pad" in the midle,and put springs to hold them in place.just like a moto brake...now its very easy to stop imidiately the chuck.

[@daveshsb]

Well that brake was not adding much to the equation was it! Really enjoy the Workshop Wednesday series Joseph!! Nice work!!

[@GardenTractorBoy]

Thank you very much. We did not really notice any difference with the brake removed either. It is possible that if the lathe had a large chuck installed and we working on something heavy, it would make a difference. Take care

[@davessmallenginerevival2847]

Hi Joseph. Well I do think it's a bearing. Good luck my friend

[@GardenTractorBoy]

Thanks. I think next time we look at this we will look at the bearings on the input shaft. Take care

[@TheKnacklersWorkshop]

Hello Joseph, It was interesting to see that the brake did not make much difference to the stopping of the spindle... I was thinking that if the headstock bearing are not in good condition maybe the friction is acting as a brake when the power is removed. If you do change the bearing it would be interesting to conduct the same test with and without the brake and see if difference. See you next time... Take care. Paul,,

[@GardenTractorBoy]

Thanks Paul. It is interesting that the brake made no difference but I guess it could if a large chuck was installed and we were working on a heavy bit of stock. It is an interesting thought about bearing friction acting as a brake, clearly more investigation is required and it would be worth start/stopping it with the belts removed in case it is a bearing in the motor acting as a brake. Take care

[@TheCanadianBubba]

Lathe repair is some uncharted territory for me... one thing I can attest to is using a screwdriver to hear transmitted noise. For example: Placing the tip of a screwdriver on a bearing mount or close to the suspected noise source while placing your head in contact with the handle will transmit any sounds quite well. Keep moving around 'listening' in and when the noises get louder you are getting closer. Best success to you 👍

[@GardenTractorBoy]

Thanks. We are only just starting to learn how to get the best from using the lathe so repairing it is new to us too. I like yout screwdriver idea, we will try that. Thanks for the suggestion, take care

[@TheBandit93]

Good video Joseph I wish I had some advice to offer about the lathe I don't have much knowledge on machines like that. I hope you can get the problem sorted out I'm sure you will with some of the great machinist that you know. Take care and stay safe. 🔧👍👍

[@GardenTractorBoy]

Thanks and I always welcome your comments. The lathe works well and the noise has not changes in a number of years so I do not think it is urgent to get to the bottom of this issue, unless it gets worse. Take care

[@MissouriOldTimer]

my old Atlas lathe is very noisy if I have the lead screw in operation but with out it , not a lot of noise, in my case it's all those gears moving.

[@GardenTractorBoy]

We had assumed the noise we were hearing was the gears and the brake. It seems like it was not the brake so further investigation is required. We are not in a hurry to get to the bottom of the noise as the lathe works well. Tak care

[@HuntingFarmerOfficial]

Who needs brakes anyway? 😂 I agree that stopped quite well without the brake (much better than my truck). Maybe the lathe needs to be “drop kicked” by the UK postal service to straighten it out 😜

[@GardenTractorBoy]

We were really surprised how well the lathe stopped without the brake, as you said it made little or no difference. I think the postal service would have a broken foot if they tried to drop kick the lathe :-) Take care

[@tractortalkwithgary1271]

It would appear that the brake was doing next to nothing

[@GardenTractorBoy]

It does seem that way. I do wonder if it would make a difference if a large chuck was installed and we were working on a large item. Take care

[@kimber1958]

Have you tried disengaging your Feed gears when they’re not needed to see how much noise is coming from the Feed gears or from the main spindle Great video see you next time

[@GardenTractorBoy]

Thanks. I believe the feed gears were disengaged when we did the video but we will check. The lathe works well so we don't think it is urgent to get to the bottom of the issue, unless it gets worse. Take care

[@larrybl]

I couldn't tell a difference. Not having a lathe I couldn't help much.

[@GardenTractorBoy]

I always welcome your thoughts even if you do not have a lathe, thanks. We had asssumed that a lot of the noise was the brake but your right it made little or no difference and with the brake removed it seemed to stop fine. Further investigation is required at some point. Tak care

[@noelstractors-firewood57]

Hard to tell sound difference in a video I find. But it didn’t seem any different. I’m not sure where the electric motor is to drive it, but could that be the noise your hearing. Great video Joseph and dad. I hope you find your trouble. Me, never having one of these, is hard for me to comment on this much.

[@GardenTractorBoy]

I always welcome your thoughts and comments even if it is something you do not have, thanks. The lathe runs fine just a bit noiser than we think it should be, so it is not urgent to get to the bottom of this. The motor is at the back near the ground but I like your thinking and we will have a go running the motor with no belts attached. Take care

[@craigtate5930]

As best as I can tell, I don't think your lathe sounds much different then my gear headed hendey lathe...mine just kinda roars when running

[@GardenTractorBoy]

Thanks. That is exactly where we started, thinking it was the usual Colchester headstock noise. If we can make it quieter that would be great but we are in no hurry to get to the bottom of the noise. Take care

[@WaynJul]

I didn't seem like the break made much of a difference.

[@GardenTractorBoy]

You are right, it seemed like it made little or no difference. If the lathe had a large chuck installed and a large bit of stock it may make a difference. Take care

[@tinkeringtaylor3053]

No difference in sound with the brake on/off,it sounds like a bearing on the way out, use a stethoscope see if you can roughly work out were the noise is.

[@GardenTractorBoy]

Thanks. The headstock on these lathes can be noisy anyway but I think you are right, it is worth us checking the bearings. I like your stethoscope idea too, I am not sure why we did not think of that. Take care