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Dwane Thomas (Visual Latin)

Dwane Thomas (Visual Latin)

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@linguaphile9415
@linguaphile9415 9 жыл бұрын
You are still pronouncing the "e" the english way. And the vowel quality is often strangely english.
@Sinsta13
@Sinsta13 11 жыл бұрын
@ Janick: "veni, vidi, vici" = ['we:.ni, 'wi:.di, 'wi:.ki] = /wēni, wīdi, wīki/ -classical pronunciation-
@metatronyt
@metatronyt 10 жыл бұрын
Hello, I am Italian, It was a very good lesson but I think you got the ecclesiastical pronunciation of the word Caesar wrong, the classical is indeed as you say, but in minute 7:00 you say that the ecclesiastical latin would read "cheesar" but no as far as I know "ae" is read like the English sound for the colour "red" so it's cEsar non cheesar", the "e" sound is like in the word "regina" or the English word "set" not like the English word "English", you got it right with caelum, you need to be careful with that tendency or students might get confused.
@metatronyt
@metatronyt 10 жыл бұрын
oh and also why "ueeni" for "veni", shouldn't the "e" be pronounced like the e in red here too? so ok with the "v" becoming ueni but I would still say "ueni uidi uiki" not "ueeni uidi uiki" like you say O.O
@metatronyt
@metatronyt 10 жыл бұрын
A part from that good lesson prof :) Grazie
@bigbeddie
@bigbeddie 9 жыл бұрын
Metatron yes, not ee by any stretch of the imagination.....
@Tenryuu19
@Tenryuu19 5 жыл бұрын
Also, Julius Caesar wasn't a Roman Emperor
@pentuplove6542
@pentuplove6542 4 жыл бұрын
@@Tenryuu19 oh we got an edit, how many more edits? Julius Ceasar was Dictator of Rome.
@Nasengold
@Nasengold 6 жыл бұрын
For people wondering about the "c-sound": There was actually a latin dude back then who created a literate school and proclaimed to change the hard c and make it soft in some cases. Before it was ALWAYS hard. Well documented in latin scripts. So the clasical hard c-sound is actually a fact. It also explains why romance languages today don't understand it. It was simply changed troughout roman times. Sardinians still pronounce it hard to this day.
@jamburga321
@jamburga321 11 ай бұрын
"There was actually a latin dude back then who created a literate school and proclaimed to change the hard c and make it soft in some cases. " Really that's interestign?
@JayDillon-mm6yv
@JayDillon-mm6yv 8 жыл бұрын
"e" is pronounced "eh" not "ee" in Veni "i" is pronounced "ee" not "aye" in Vidi
@mirkosala919
@mirkosala919 7 жыл бұрын
Jay Dillon veni, vidi, vici it is said how it is written
@nomore9004
@nomore9004 5 жыл бұрын
Vēni, Vidī, Vīci
@jonathanvalk726
@jonathanvalk726 4 жыл бұрын
@@mirkosala919 no, veni is pronounced like: wehni, not wini.
@richardbulva
@richardbulva 8 ай бұрын
@@jonathanvalk726 no. veni is pronounced veni. not wehni or wini.
@mirefleurs
@mirefleurs 9 жыл бұрын
Yes. Except that "Veni" is not pronounced "wini" like you said Dwane, but "Wéni". A "e" is a "e"... the english confuses the sounds, but latin languages never.
@Olo-h6t2m
@Olo-h6t2m Жыл бұрын
You are right
@zBlacksad
@zBlacksad 11 жыл бұрын
What you're speaking here is best described as American Latin. Sorry :/
@etiennedegaulle3817
@etiennedegaulle3817 5 жыл бұрын
I'm American and his pronunciation burns my ears. He'd be better off learning modern Italian and going with that pronunciation.
@FlourescentPotato
@FlourescentPotato 4 жыл бұрын
@Mike Daniels it's true though.
@fraternitas5117
@fraternitas5117 4 жыл бұрын
this video should honestly be deleted
@MrViki60
@MrViki60 4 жыл бұрын
@Mike Daniels stfu dumbass
@foaly8
@foaly8 4 жыл бұрын
somehow I doubt the romans were pronouncing the 'r' the american way..
@dylanryan3432
@dylanryan3432 3 жыл бұрын
why?
@the-bruh.cum5
@the-bruh.cum5 3 жыл бұрын
@@dylanryan3432 well look at the romances languages none of them have the american R even frickin old english had the R trill so yeah
@edwardmiessner6502
@edwardmiessner6502 9 ай бұрын
Exactly. Roman R's were pronounced with a trill or an alveolar tap, like in Spanish.
@soundtracks6656
@soundtracks6656 6 жыл бұрын
You, as an English speaker, have a bad pronunciation of Latin! Many Latin sounds are different of how you pronounce them, including C and T.
@Jadranas
@Jadranas 5 жыл бұрын
Very good point. Old languages, from Mediteranean and surrounding area have straight sounds (a=ah, e=eh, i=ee o = oh (no u sound), u=oo), different from English.
@ferdinand4026
@ferdinand4026 4 жыл бұрын
The pronunciation of "c" was always /k/. The only languages that have this are Welsh and some other Celtic languages which were under Latin influence at one point.
@undergroundskeptic2916
@undergroundskeptic2916 4 жыл бұрын
I do not comprehend the reason for the amount of likes of this video.
@beeonebautista9035
@beeonebautista9035 4 жыл бұрын
I have to agree, English speakers have the worst pronunciation of Latin. The most qualified people to teach us that are Italians or Spaniards.
@beeonebautista9035
@beeonebautista9035 4 жыл бұрын
I have to agree, English speakers have the worst pronunciation of Latin. The most qualified people to teach us that are Italians or Spaniards.
@SloveintzWend
@SloveintzWend 11 жыл бұрын
Anglophones have difficulties when pronouncing vowels when learning foreign languages. That's due to their "Great Vowel Shift" that shaped modern English language in early modern times. Some vowels shifted some became diphthongs. Its very hard to "unlearn" this.
@davidmusicmaker
@davidmusicmaker 3 жыл бұрын
And the incessant dipthonging!
@boneyboban1945
@boneyboban1945 6 жыл бұрын
Brilliant. Explained everything in pronunciation. Hats off to you Sir.
@francesca7093
@francesca7093 6 жыл бұрын
You were very helpful. Most people are afraid of Latin. You made it interesting and relaxing. You're a great teacher. Thank you. PS. Veni is pronounced "E=egg" Veni. It's very hard for American speaking people to pronounce Latin. AEIOU are pronounced differently in English. In Italian I'm able to understand the sound. In English I see where the problems are in the pronunciations.
@jakobpfeil4243
@jakobpfeil4243 2 жыл бұрын
no it is not. i think in english [e] does not exist
@Philoglossos
@Philoglossos 10 жыл бұрын
Why are you pronouncing it with an anglophone "R"?
@metatronyt
@metatronyt 10 жыл бұрын
Probably because he is American and can't roll his R. But I agree that he should say that the "r" should be rolled like in modern Italian or Spanish. If he says that then I woudln't have a problem with his anglophone "r" as some people just can't get the rolling of the "r", but yes it is important to specify.
@Philoglossos
@Philoglossos 10 жыл бұрын
Metatron Ciao! Come va? xD
@metatronyt
@metatronyt 10 жыл бұрын
Bathrobe Samurai ahaha bene grazie :D e tu? :)
@Philoglossos
@Philoglossos 10 жыл бұрын
Metatron Benissimo! xD Tornerò in italia tra meno di tre mesi, quindi sto provando a praticare l'italiano molto xD. Com'è la tua scuola?
@metatronyt
@metatronyt 10 жыл бұрын
tutto bene a scuola grazie ^_^ ecco! Infatti per un attimo mi sono chiesto: "ma Bathrobe Samurai era italiano?!" ahah complimenti per il tuo italiano. Dove andrai in Italia? In quale città?
@braschigiovanniangelo5559
@braschigiovanniangelo5559 8 жыл бұрын
I'm from Rome and latin here is kept only by some small traditional catholic churchs during the service. Latin pronunciation is different from yours. Yours look more an Anglo-Saxon pronounciation!
@Ivansthename
@Ivansthename 7 жыл бұрын
It’s tough, he has a bad accent and messes up sometimes. Still he probably know lots.
@keegster7167
@keegster7167 6 жыл бұрын
+Ivansthename Don't trust him just because he's an expert. He's no expert when it comes to pronunciation. Read Vox Latina, or any other good Latin pronunciation guide (made by linguists though, Latinists don't care much about pronunciation and it shows), even a small amount, and you'll see that he got his vowels and consonants both very wrong.
@stonker_the_isophile
@stonker_the_isophile 3 жыл бұрын
Hello
@lindamiranda2877
@lindamiranda2877 10 жыл бұрын
I am learning Latin because I want to understand Spanish better and to help me in pronouncing some of the big Law words, since I am a Political Science major and I come across a lot of words that are Latin.
@johnbenson4927
@johnbenson4927 6 жыл бұрын
Linda Miranda My friend, if you want to learn Spanish then start learning Spanish, not Latin. Latin is far more complex.
@edwardmiessner6502
@edwardmiessner6502 9 ай бұрын
Beware! Except for a few who know better, we USAmericans pronounce Latin almost completely wrong! For example I've heard a US Supreme Court justice pronounce certiorari as "sir-shir-ree" 🤢
@peterszeug308
@peterszeug308 9 жыл бұрын
Actually, what I have learned, is that classical latin around 0 AD was pronounced much more french, that vowels before nf and ns were nasals and the ns were dropped, and that m at the end of words were also dropped and the previous vowel was nasalized. And also that the s was more pronounced like in portuguese.
@abelpalmer552
@abelpalmer552 3 жыл бұрын
You are correct, however the basic rules as stated here by him still hold.
@pite9
@pite9 11 жыл бұрын
Note that the german word for emperor is Kaiser, a word that without a doubt was introduced to the germans by the romans. The romans most definately pronounced Caesar as a K-word. We know this because if it was a S-word, then the germans would have written it with a S, as Saiser.
@giampierover7832
@giampierover7832 11 жыл бұрын
are you sure? classic latin pronunciation is not credible. www.forumarcheologia.it/antica-roma/pronuncia-della-lingua-latina-t39.html
@fdsbernardo
@fdsbernardo 10 жыл бұрын
giampiero ver I am Portuguese and it is very straight foward for us to read latin. But this classical pronouciation is just wrong. I don't have a doubt about it.Beside that there are actualy many things about the correct pronounciation tant i don't see discussed anywhere. I even truly believe as a native speaker of a lalin language that Lex and Rex is supposed to be read (lays) and (Rays). Like the words still used today in italy portugal and spain. This claasical reconstructing team didn't have a clue about it.
@rentaghostokish5628
@rentaghostokish5628 10 жыл бұрын
Fernando Bernardo Nonsense. Just coz you are portuguese doesn't give you any natural advantage in latin. Stick to losing at soccer and ex-colonies.
@weedmastersr
@weedmastersr 10 жыл бұрын
Fernando Bernardo Hahah, funny. I'm originally Romanian, so also a native speaker of a Latin Language, and we too pronounce Lex and Rex just as they're written.
@JosephYanchar
@JosephYanchar 10 жыл бұрын
Fernando Bernardo These pronunciations of 'lex' and 'rex' are because your language has been vulgarized from the original Classical Latin. Classical reconstruction is much more complicated than just referring to a single Romance language, yo.
@giampierover7832
@giampierover7832 10 жыл бұрын
Il suono della V è di derivazione Etrusca (era rappresentato da F rivolta a sinistra) Valerius si legge Valerius e non Ualerius (Oualerios come traslittera Polibio). Vedi Nigidio Figulo. La pronuncia "classica" è un cotinuum di errori.
@proarte4081
@proarte4081 9 жыл бұрын
+giampiero ver La pronuncia cosiddetta "classica" è un'enorme mistificazione....già il fatto che i suoi inventori l'abbiano definita "classica" la dice lunga su un certo grado di ideologica presunzione. Al massimo potrebbe essere definita "arcaica", o pronuncia delle origini, più o meno come si parlava ai tempi della codificazione dell'alfabeto latino...cioè nel VII secolo Avanti Cristo...il ché dice poco o nulla su come la gente comune pronunciasse il latino 700 anni dopo...nell'era classica, ai tempi di Cicerone e Giulio Cesare.
@JamesMartinelli-jr9mh
@JamesMartinelli-jr9mh 4 жыл бұрын
E' un imbroglio in inglese. Senz'altro dopo secoli le parole latine in inglese hanno una pronuncia 'nativa'. Poi, per la musica si usa la pronuncia ecclesiastica. Poi, 'recentemente' arriva la pronuncia restituita: 'restored classical pronunciation'.
@AlessioGiandomenicoMameli
@AlessioGiandomenicoMameli 8 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry, but I want to remarke that you pronounce the latin vowels as they were like the english vowels! that's very wrong! You have to read them as they are pronounced in Italian and in Spanish language.
@junemelo9929
@junemelo9929 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Dwane. I really didnt know about classical. I often heard latin in catholic rituals and ceremonies. This is new to me. Thank you again.
@gianfrancow2850
@gianfrancow2850 9 жыл бұрын
Shoudn't the vocal "E" be read like in the word "Emerald"??
@BroadcastBro
@BroadcastBro 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah exactly
@Auoric
@Auoric 6 жыл бұрын
It depends wether or not it has a bar above it.
@animox9038
@animox9038 4 жыл бұрын
The english accent in his Latin is a bit annoying
@Chairman_LmaoZedong
@Chairman_LmaoZedong Жыл бұрын
English has completely ruined original Latin pronunciation.
@animox9038
@animox9038 Жыл бұрын
@@Chairman_LmaoZedong true
@RahulKumar-ju3ym
@RahulKumar-ju3ym Жыл бұрын
Annoyance is good sign that means u r immersed 😊language of the god's...latin
@GreatMusicVideos
@GreatMusicVideos 9 жыл бұрын
veni was never pronounced like "vini" - what are you talking... you have no idea of classical latin..
@keegster7167
@keegster7167 6 жыл бұрын
ikr. smh.
@sebastiankwintal2828
@sebastiankwintal2828 5 жыл бұрын
In classic latin rhere was v and u described the same way, f.e. „vvlgata” = „vulgata”, and c was sometimes k and sometimes s or c. So Julius Cezar /Yulious Csezzar/ and not /Kezzar/
@antoniosavalgarcia02
@antoniosavalgarcia02 4 жыл бұрын
Caesar was actually pronounced /kaesar/
@sebastiankwintal2828
@sebastiankwintal2828 4 жыл бұрын
@@antoniosavalgarcia02 maybe /kaesar/ maybe /chaesar/ or maybe /csaesar/ the problem is: nobody knows it for sure today.
@joslez7573
@joslez7573 9 ай бұрын
​@@sebastiankwintal2828Si si sabe con seguridad: hay estudios filológicos al respecto. Ignorante.
@Scuppetta1998IT
@Scuppetta1998IT 8 жыл бұрын
6:07 in veni the "E" letter sounds like in regina not like the English one. Caesar sounds very different from how you pronunced. Great video anyway :)
@laurencesiegel9362
@laurencesiegel9362 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, the way I learned Classical Latin from an eminent classicist born in 1915, Caesar is pronounced KY-SAHR (equal stress on the syllables), not Kaiser. Wenny widdy wicky. I call it prep school pronunciation.
@SockMonkeySwag
@SockMonkeySwag 10 жыл бұрын
"vini, vidi, vici" = "I came, I saw, I conquered". Where is the "I' ending and the imperfect tense parts in that? And if it is supposed to be just that, then shouldn't there be the "I" ending (o) and the imperfect tense (ba)? If anyone knows, please comment. Thanks.
@visuallatin
@visuallatin 10 жыл бұрын
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@mackenziecook5570
@mackenziecook5570 9 жыл бұрын
Its in the perfect not the imperfect- perfect has different endings than o s t mus tis nt it has rather I isti it imus istis erunt
@helgedell
@helgedell 7 жыл бұрын
Ended up here by coincidence, following a discussion about how to pronounce "Caesar". You're coming through as a great teacher, keeping the ancient materiel fresh. Well done! :)
@bilbohob7179
@bilbohob7179 4 жыл бұрын
Sure he pronounce it wrongly.
@eurech
@eurech 2 жыл бұрын
@@bilbohob7179 You're utterly ignorant. There are several ways to pronounce Latin.
@DINSDAY77
@DINSDAY77 8 жыл бұрын
Hi, I am done with my basic grammar classes which I did well on. Now I am in my Second semester of translation and what I translate always comes out as nonsense. My teacher goes way to fast as does not like to slow down at all and gives you no clue as to what she might pick for the exam after we have translated a book....I love Latin and put in the time but I feel like giving up. Like there is something wrong with me. Does this get better? What can I do this summer to focus in on making my reading comprehension better. ?
@edwardmiessner6502
@edwardmiessner6502 9 ай бұрын
Get bilingual books from the Loeb Classical Library in the Holyoke Building, Harvard Square in Cambridge Mass., outside of Boston. I'm sure they're also online.
@irvin295
@irvin295 11 жыл бұрын
Isn't the R rolled?
@ede_1
@ede_1 7 жыл бұрын
Irvin Gomez Yes, it should be!
@elliotvernon7971
@elliotvernon7971 6 жыл бұрын
Latin grammarians from the classical period described the sound R as ‘the dog sound’, which suggests it was more gutteral like the modern French ‘r’ than the effeminate rolling of modern Italian.
@tenienteramires4428
@tenienteramires4428 6 жыл бұрын
It should be a tap, as in American English TT in the word "beTTer".
@Kjalarrr
@Kjalarrr 5 жыл бұрын
@@elliotvernon7971 The French went out of their way to pronounce their r's that way. Latin would not have had that r. Lol
@JamesMartinelli-jr9mh
@JamesMartinelli-jr9mh 4 жыл бұрын
@@elliotvernon7971 Effeminate rolling of the Italians. So, is it also the 'effeminate' rolling of the Spaniards, the Romanians... as well ? Not to mention the Sicilians! Tu es cretinus magnus.
@TG-oq2jx
@TG-oq2jx 4 жыл бұрын
I like how everybody in the commenta suddenly is a Latin teacher
@philv2529
@philv2529 10 жыл бұрын
in classical pronunciation you said "creavit" instead of "creawit"
@senarajapaksha6366
@senarajapaksha6366 5 жыл бұрын
Dil upnar or preeth psrai
@barbthornell4786
@barbthornell4786 7 жыл бұрын
But the way his videos/instructions are organized, these are the most easily RETAINABLE lessons I've ever seen.
@debanjandutta1591
@debanjandutta1591 Жыл бұрын
Excellent sir, I've watched your video class for the first time and very much eager to learn The Latin from basics, you have detailed in comparison with English words. It's clear how Latin syllable is different from English. I've watched many other videos but could not clear it before. Thank you sir, once again. Greetings from India.
@calcinatoir
@calcinatoir 9 жыл бұрын
I find it helps to use the actual dipthong Æ to remember that it is a long A (aie) sound rather than a short A (ah) sound. IN PRINCIPIO CREAVIT DEVS CÆLUM ET TERRAM for example. (Classical does not employ U. a V is always a U such as in SALVE "Saloo'eh" or VICI "Ueekee")
@ArizonaPatriot
@ArizonaPatriot 9 жыл бұрын
At 2:42, when you say that V always has the W sound, were you speaking of Classical or Ecclesiastical Latin, because I do not believe that you specified as much, though if I had to infer, I would have to assume that you meant the Classical pronunciation as that is the way you've addressed each of the preceding letters thus far. Thank you.
@visuallatin
@visuallatin 9 жыл бұрын
+Antigone Freimann Hi, Antigone! Yes. I was referring to Classical Latin.
@ArizonaPatriot
@ArizonaPatriot 9 жыл бұрын
I thought as much but appreciate the confirmation.
@christinezaslavsky647
@christinezaslavsky647 5 жыл бұрын
Thank God for this channel! My 12-yr-old son likes Dwane’s style. His videos help us with Henle 1. Having said this, I will address all these critical commentators: Type in latintutor channel to hear gorgeous pronunciation as well as more advanced teaching. 😊
@weedmastersr
@weedmastersr 10 жыл бұрын
It's a good lesson. Although, it's Veni Vedi, Vici. All with a 'V'. V is indeed 'u' or 'oo' but only in some situations. **EDIT: After further research I must admit I was wrong. In classic Latin, V is indeed pronounced with the 'w' sound.
@Artecus
@Artecus 10 жыл бұрын
Hi Protector, please amend your comment. It is confusing my mother. I tell her, "No, he said he is mistaken. He knows it's `w'." But, she keeps pointing at your comment.
@weedmastersr
@weedmastersr 10 жыл бұрын
Arthur E. Michalak Done! I hope your mother believes you now.
@Artecus
@Artecus 10 жыл бұрын
Protector of the Republic Thanks, mate. I will show her and shout 'AHA'.
@MrRXY11
@MrRXY11 10 жыл бұрын
why is "vici" pronounced "viki" even though "c" is in front of "i" and should be pronounced like "ch", or is the "i" showing, that the word is in past simple and is irregular?
@weedmastersr
@weedmastersr 10 жыл бұрын
MrRXY11 To be honest, I'm not exactly sure. When I was a kid back in Romania and we were learning Latin back in school, we first learned our own vulgar pronunciation, which is just like you said, with the "ch" sound. Then we also learned about the pronunciation historians believe to be correct and it was with the 'k" sound instead of "ch". After lately doing more online research on the matter, I've found that nobody actually knows with certainty was the actual pronunciation was. The church pronounces Latin one way, Classic scholars another way, individual romance language speaking countries a different way, some historians have their own theories, and so on. I have to say I prefer the vulgarized pronunciation version I first learned (almost identical to how Italians pronounce Latin too) because it's the closest to my native language. So really, I'm not sure.
@saharvarona
@saharvarona 4 жыл бұрын
how do i pronounce Sine paenitentia vive,
@alfazveersingh2924
@alfazveersingh2924 3 жыл бұрын
what is langauge.i indian
@nurlatifahmohdnor8939
@nurlatifahmohdnor8939 2 жыл бұрын
Page 163 calumet = n the peace pipe [C18: from Canad. F, from F: straw, from LL calamellus a little reed, from L: CALAMUS]
@steelandbanjo
@steelandbanjo 10 жыл бұрын
Which dinosaur can jump higher than a house? None of them- dinosaurs are all dead.
@iraf.official
@iraf.official 2 жыл бұрын
2022.08.30. 20:30
@Schlog1
@Schlog1 4 жыл бұрын
And AFAIK, Ss in classic Latin were never pronounced as 'z' before a vowel, like they are in English, Italian, etc. So 'Caesar' is actually 'kai-sar', not 'kai-zar'.
@matteobasile584
@matteobasile584 6 жыл бұрын
Why do you pronounce Regina correctly, meanwhile you say Veni with the sound of E like (E)at? You should pronounce Veni with the same sound of E like (E)xaxtly
@joegormley2761
@joegormley2761 4 жыл бұрын
Persistently stumbles over the ae combination. Oh dear.
@juliegonzalez9843
@juliegonzalez9843 Жыл бұрын
Great video! Very interesting. Do you have handouts?
@adamdickson1404
@adamdickson1404 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this simple and easy to understand explanation - fascinating!
@gianfrancow2850
@gianfrancow2850 9 жыл бұрын
if you want to listen the best latin pronuntiation on the planet just search youtube for this italian professor.. luigi miraglia
@5Dale65
@5Dale65 3 жыл бұрын
In Europe, in Poland at least, they teach even other pronunciation called "traditional". "Ae" is pronunciated as short "e". "C" is "ts" before e, i, ae, y. Yes it's "ts" sound, not "ch" like in Italian. So "caelum" would be "tselum" with "ts" and short "e". The "g" however is always hard. "V" is always "v", never "w". There are some other strange oddities however. "Qui" is "kvi", "quod" is "kvod" and "sua" is "sva". "Ti" like in "actio" is "-tsio", thus "aktsio". Have anyone ever encountered such pronunciation? Don't know if it is isolated to Poland and teaching Latin here, it might be because many Latin words in Polish are pronunciated similiar, like "akcja" (action) is "aktsia", "wino" (wine) is "vino" (despite it's written with "w"), "perswazja" (persuasion) - "persvazya".
@BTL6666
@BTL6666 Жыл бұрын
I think the C pronounced as a TS is very much influenced by the Slavic pronunciation of the letter C...For ex , in Romania, when we learn Latin C is C ( the way you pronounce the letter K in Polish, and not TS)...and ae is pronounced more likely like E...so Caelum would be Celum( fonetically Chelum)...like you say it in Italian. But in the end which language is closer to Latin as pronunciation? Polish or Italian and Romanian?...V is V...qui ..is like cvi( kvi in polish and not tsvi)...sua will be sua and not sva...u will be pronounced as v only in the qui,quo,quod,,,like cvi,cvo,cvod...action will be said like actsio...I think that Slavic pronunciation of some letters influenced a lot the way you are thought Latin there in Poland!///and on top of that is the Classic Latin :))) So what you say, the way you are thought in schools might be in part of Europe( Poland and other Slavic countries) and not in all Europe...It'll be interesting for example to know how are they thought in Italy or France or Spain to pronunciate the Latin language?! So different countries, different costumes...and also very interesting in the same time!!!
@duvar3176
@duvar3176 6 жыл бұрын
Basically, classical is read in Spanish and church Latin is read in Italian 😂😂
@sharvjoshi6304
@sharvjoshi6304 3 жыл бұрын
Actually 'G' wasn't a letter in Roman Latin it was crated in medieval Europe by adding a tail of 'j' to 'C'
@edwardfranks5215
@edwardfranks5215 6 жыл бұрын
from below...as 10 sounds were heading to 7 or 5. and the letter a sounds of amica, amicae, amicae, amicam (no m pronounced) and amica ablative were reduced to one sound AH. By the way v was not a ww but an asperated vw as vwuh that became b in Spanish and Portuguese and Catalan.
@DaniellePasin
@DaniellePasin 8 жыл бұрын
uahauhauahauha thumbs up for the akward joke
@mea.histria
@mea.histria 7 ай бұрын
Caesar, decem, centum are pronounced with a "ch" in the Latin language because if not then it would be next words in a modern Italian pronounced with a "k" (e.g. Cesare, Cicerone, dieci, cento, celo, etc.), and what about many Italian surnames that are also pronounced with a "ch" (e.g. Lancia, Marcello, Luciani, Manzini, Carlucci, Ceccarelli, Cellario, Cecili, Colucci, Gucci, etc.).
@xp5126
@xp5126 2 жыл бұрын
How is ad and ab pronounced? Is it uh b or uh d (sheesh sound for a) or is it like we say it in English? Ab as in abdominal and ad as in addition.
@homersamson6170
@homersamson6170 7 жыл бұрын
What is also helping me is using Google translator to hear the correct pronunciation of the words. And by using that, I hope to get a natural feel for how Latin should be pronounced.
@Fritz_Haarmann
@Fritz_Haarmann 2 жыл бұрын
Isn't that just the italian voice?
@dragonchild36
@dragonchild36 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. Thank you! I'm currently learning Latin on Duolingo and came across your channel. This clarifies a lot. Followed...lol.
@marija5rovic
@marija5rovic 2 жыл бұрын
This is all wrong! He is pronouncing Veni vidi Vici WRONG!!!
@falgo666
@falgo666 11 жыл бұрын
Wow, I have learned more handy things from this 7 minute video than from 3 years of studying university chemistry.
@mynameismarvin
@mynameismarvin 10 жыл бұрын
Hi! :) I just watched your video. Very informative for beginners. I'm not sure if you made a continuation to this video but I think you missed some pronunciation points for Classical Latin and Ecclesiastical Latin. Like how "gn", "sc", "ti" change in Ecclesiastical, and how "h" is silent in Ecclesiastical.
@dandelosangeles561
@dandelosangeles561 4 жыл бұрын
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@ingotak
@ingotak 9 жыл бұрын
Well, and what about medieval pronounciation of Latin? It has many forms and depends on the area. For example central Europe (Germany, Austria, Czech republic, Slovak republic, Hungary, Poland). It is similar to the church Latin but quite different. :)
@BTL6666
@BTL6666 Жыл бұрын
I totally agree with what you say here...and also differently thought and expressed in the Latin descendent countries like Romania, France, Portugal, Italy, Spain...and on top of that is that the Classic/ Ecclesiastical Latin
@troyvalle2695
@troyvalle2695 9 жыл бұрын
Your videos are great! I'm happy I found them here.
@mr.steady5498
@mr.steady5498 4 жыл бұрын
I'm here to learn more but I feel like I've lost more lol
@inkstersco
@inkstersco 10 жыл бұрын
This video could benefit from a word or two on when to use each pronunciation e.g. doesn't medieval text usually use something like Ecclesiastical Latin. IOW in which dialects to use each pronunciation.
@Sinsta13
@Sinsta13 11 жыл бұрын
im merely watching this because of the SUBSTANTIAL lack of interesting and FREE latin language resources. however, the video author seems incapable of pronouncing classical latin correctly. 1. roll your /r/'s 2. keep your vowels pure and clear 3. caesar is ['kai.sar] not ['kej.zø:] as in the vid. finally, i would like to state my lack of faith in the teacher due to his novice level mistakes. i shall stay here for a while though... and lol @ "kick-a-row"
@keegster7167
@keegster7167 6 жыл бұрын
Yea, this pronunciation is the most atrocious that I've seen. Couldn't he have read Vox Latina at some point?! And although your pronunciation is very close, I'll just point out a couple things. It seems more likely (based on the spelling mostly but also it's evolution and the fact that Latin's sister languages spelt it differently) that was pronounced [ae̯] actually (though even though I marked the second one as nonsyllabic, they could have been the same length, but a a dipthong). And so it could be ['kae.sar]. Also, there is evidence, because of how Greek loanwords that began with /k/ were treated in colloquial Latin (they were loaned as /g/ in Latin), that the initial /k/ (maybe all /k/s?) could have been aspirated. So ['kʰae.sar] would also be correct.
@jamburga321
@jamburga321 11 ай бұрын
Also hasn't S evolved too? In church Latin, it also makes a z sound and while in classical Latin, it's always s?
@__donez__
@__donez__ 5 жыл бұрын
1:07 Was... was that a pater joke??
@subdread9987
@subdread9987 9 жыл бұрын
holy crap. so that's why ceaser's legion pronounces ceaser differently.
@lucjannastalek9978
@lucjannastalek9978 9 жыл бұрын
Sorry, but according to what you have said earlier wouldn't that be "kreawit Deus"?
@ptrblz
@ptrblz 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video a great, simple and understandable explanation.
@dafo1648
@dafo1648 6 жыл бұрын
And in German pronounciation the c makes before the e, i, ae, y the ts sound., like "Tsitsero".
@ksica
@ksica 6 жыл бұрын
i'm serbian and we pronounce it as 'ts' too eta: this is how we pronounce latin kzbin.info/www/bejne/oGPYmZmJhZegn5Y (yes, it's a song from carmina burana :))
@magister.mortran
@magister.mortran 6 жыл бұрын
It is still wrong. It is neither classical nor ecclesiastical, it is just wrong. It is tsh (ecclesiastical) or k (classical).
@JayDillon-mm6yv
@JayDillon-mm6yv 8 жыл бұрын
"ae" is pronounced "aye" not "ay"
@AndreiPS
@AndreiPS 8 жыл бұрын
Pot, meet kettle.
@loganlion6314
@loganlion6314 5 жыл бұрын
I’m just starting school in a new city. My mom asked me what I wanted to focus on as a new hobby. I told her I wanted to tackle the old Latin language. And to learn 1 new word a day. I found the translation for imagine. Which is meditati. But I can’t find anymore info on it other than imagination. I asked my teachers but the don’t know. Can anyone tell me if that is the Latin word for imagine? Thanks!
@johndavidthacker
@johndavidthacker 7 жыл бұрын
How are digraphs and dipthongs pronounced? As in "Kalanchoe"? (the 'ch' and 'oe' sounds) kal-un-KOH-ee?
@jacobfabian6392
@jacobfabian6392 8 жыл бұрын
Is this teaching the Latin the Romans spoke or modern church I want to learn Roman how would I do this ?
@cinemafanatic6687
@cinemafanatic6687 6 жыл бұрын
my favorite animal is the fox and fox in latin is vulpes I'm confused on how to pronounce it is it (voo-l-peh-s/woo-l-peh-s) or (vuh-l-peh-s/wuhl-peh-s)?
@MaximKretsch
@MaximKretsch 9 жыл бұрын
I wonder what age-old voice record entitles you to state that in classical Latin "c" is "always" pronounced hard, no matter what vowel follows? In EACH modern latin language there is the same traditional distincion between ka~, ko~, ku~ on one side and ze~, zi~ on the other (if a cedille isn't added as diacritical symbol). It is most unlikely that this is all by coincidence.
@visuallatin
@visuallatin 9 жыл бұрын
Maxim Kretsch Agreed.
@giampierover7832
@giampierover7832 9 жыл бұрын
PRONUNCIA DELLA "C": 1) I toponimi sono assai conservativi e nei secoli oppongono una notevolissima resistenza al cambiamento. Nei toponimi non ci sono tracce della "C"dura: mai s'è detto AriKKia (Ariccia) o PlaKentia (Piacenza) o KirKeo (Circeo). 2) La prova a favore della “pronuncia restituta”: il Cicirro. Sua inconsistenza. Orazio (satira 1,5) scrive: 'Nunc mihi paucis, Sarmenti scurrae pugnam Messique Cicirri, Musa, velim memores et quo patre natus uterque contulerit litis.' Esichio (2, 481) dice che "cicirrus" significa "galletto". È chiaro che Orazio gioca con il lettore presentando questo "Messer Cicirro" come un galletto pronto alla lite. In genere i galli non fanno "ciciriccì" ma piuttosto "kikiriki", Per tanto il "cicirrus" di Orazio era in realtà pronunciato "kikirrus". Questa è la tesi pro "restituta". Il tutto appare completamente logico, se non fosse che i cicirri sono i ceci e non i galli. Una verruca grande come un cece era sul naso di un ascendente di Cicerone e da questa ha preso il nome la sua famiglia: CICERONIS avo verruca in naso fuerat, "CICERIS" grano simillima; ex ea verruca cognomen "CICERONIS" genti omni fuit. Esichio, che scrive in greco, questo non lo sa ed incorre in errore. Quindi niente galli, solo ceci. Non è una parola greca, è italica e tuttora esistente ed invariata (pronunciata con "C" dolce da sempre). Non una prova a favore della “restituta” ma prova contraria 3) Le traslitterazioni dal latino al greco (e viceversa) non hanno alcun valore di prova. Che i Greci trascrivessero con K il C latino si deve al non poter fare altrimenti; quale altro segno grafico avrebbero dovuto utilizzare? che i Latini trascrivessero con C il K greco, si deve invece al progressivo scomparire del K dal latino e al non poter usare il digrafema CH che, forse, indicava una C aspirata.
@felixiusbaqi
@felixiusbaqi 9 жыл бұрын
Maxim Kretsch I had the same objection when I first started studying Latin. But one has to remember that pronunciation in any language varies drastically over time. The modern Romance languages evolved from the Latin in common use from the end of the Western Roman empire up into the Middle ages. There was nearly a millenium after Cicero and Caesar for the language to change. We can't assume that modern Romance language pronunciation mirrors the pronunciation of Agustus and Virgil any more than a hypothetical future offshoot of modern English would mirror the pronunciation of Chaucer. As for C originally being pronounced as K there is actually a plethora of evidence. For example: the transliterations for Caesarea in Hebrew, Arabic, and Greek all begin with a letter approximating a "K" sound. The German pronunciation of Caesar even to this day is "Kaiser". We even have inscrptions where letters usually spelled with a C such as "pace" are written as "pake".
@magend8658
@magend8658 9 жыл бұрын
Maxim Kretsch The same one (Voice Record) that told him "All Dinosaurs Jumped"!!! :)
@davidbrainerd1520
@davidbrainerd1520 7 жыл бұрын
classical = academic
@Giorgosm14081948
@Giorgosm14081948 7 жыл бұрын
CE, CI, GE, GI sounded hard in classical times all right, but SLIGHTLY palatalized, THIS IS A LINGUISTIC RULE. The process of full palatalization took some centuries to complete and become the church Latin of today.
@DansilSchroeder
@DansilSchroeder 7 жыл бұрын
1:57 Ave, true to Caesar.
@NN-qv7if
@NN-qv7if 7 жыл бұрын
we used to pronounce principio with "tz" sound for c. Any other languages do that? Also cicero pronounced like tzitzero
@mirkosala919
@mirkosala919 7 жыл бұрын
in Italy is like it's written so Cicero
@osmondgo8362
@osmondgo8362 4 жыл бұрын
It's like Woody Harrelson but sober.
@peterutman9754
@peterutman9754 9 жыл бұрын
Which pronunciation do you use for your teaching videos? I am learning classical.
@visuallatin
@visuallatin 9 жыл бұрын
Joe Joe Hi Joe! There are two major pronunciations for Latin. I learned the restored Classical Latin in school. In the Classical pronunciation, Caelum (sky, heaven) is pronounced with the K sound. Later, I discovered the Ecclesiastical or Italian pronunciation. Here Caelum is pronounced Chaelum. I abandoned the restored Classical Latin for many reasons. I talk about all of them in my book, Via. You can find it here: www.dwanethomas.com/via/
@barbthornell4786
@barbthornell4786 7 жыл бұрын
Would it be possible that "v" had a more slavic sound like "vwuh" than either v OR w?
@oliviacharlotte8185
@oliviacharlotte8185 4 жыл бұрын
Can anyone who speaks Latin or knows it in depth, please help me? I would LOVE to know what ‘See the good’ is in Latin, in the sense of a wise saying that people and all should ‘see the good’ in the good and bad! Thank you☺️☺️
@anubisu1024
@anubisu1024 8 жыл бұрын
Isn't R trill sound?
@rogeriochamorro1146
@rogeriochamorro1146 4 жыл бұрын
As a native speaker of a Romance Language, that pronunciation is far from the Latin sounds. It's so American.
@jamein7164
@jamein7164 4 жыл бұрын
Wait I thought there was no j in the classical latin alphabet????
@anjdah
@anjdah 11 жыл бұрын
Can I ask a question? Is the "E" not prenounced as the "E" in e.g. the word "VEIN"? and not as in the word "need"`?
@berzubirze
@berzubirze 5 жыл бұрын
Hmmm, were they pronouncing american R as you do? I was tought they were rolling
@andresmora5192
@andresmora5192 7 жыл бұрын
Latina, lingua antiqua roma est progenitor, ex linguis romanorum, lingua magis pulchra in mundo. !!!! ✋😁
@SDOV8
@SDOV8 3 жыл бұрын
Nicely presented. Thank you.
@SloveintzWend
@SloveintzWend 11 жыл бұрын
It is, but since V was accepted in the alphabet U represents U.
@Aeux
@Aeux 10 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the clarification.
@utubetipico8735
@utubetipico8735 9 жыл бұрын
please someone help me. do you pronounce latin E like an [ee] sound, or like and [u, in murder or burial] sound? PS: i am spanier
@liquidcancer4573
@liquidcancer4573 3 жыл бұрын
It's an e like in perro
@whitenightf3
@whitenightf3 9 жыл бұрын
Great what about the Latin they speak in courts. Years ago a Judge said this to the prosecutor in a case I was involved in. duos ictus in cerasis Ve victus "two bites of the cherry" Woe to the vanquished
@VxV631
@VxV631 9 жыл бұрын
At this point Ecclesiastical latin and original latin is like the difference between American English and British English. Both are right at this point by right of time and distribution and accepted methods. It's good to know the origins of both tho.
@nonesuchone
@nonesuchone 4 жыл бұрын
Most dinosaurs didn’t jump. Checkmate, professor-man.
@dejan7208
@dejan7208 5 жыл бұрын
Can any one tell me the which pronunciation was first used like the oldest
@JamesMartinelli-jr9mh
@JamesMartinelli-jr9mh 4 жыл бұрын
There was old Latin: Prisca Latina. Then there was 'Classical Latin'. Then there was Late Latin. When the faithful could finally speak freely it was the 4th century - Late Latin. This is 'ecclesiastical Latin'. It is not based on Italian. Rather Italian is so conservative in SOUNDS that both have the same sounds / of Late Latin. Words entered English from Latin over the centuries and changed in sounds exactly like 'native' words changed - mostly in the vowels. The 'Classical Pronunciation' is based on linguistical comparisons and educated guesses. It started in the 1800's among linguists. So, for English speakers there are 3 ways to pronounce Latin. Note that the ecclesiastical pronunciation is used in classical music as it is more mellifluous.
@delta7819
@delta7819 10 жыл бұрын
you are wrong with v... veni, vidi, vici. V is V not w.
@dimensioncx8607
@dimensioncx8607 10 жыл бұрын
That's something a lot of people pronounce incorrectly, it's actually with "W".
@Artecus
@Artecus 10 жыл бұрын
Dimension is right. 'V' in Latin is 'u' or 'oo' sound, and, when it fronts a word, is a 'Ue' or 'w'. Example: Gvlgari = `Goolgaree'. Vngartium = [w]oon'gartioom.
@weedmastersr
@weedmastersr 10 жыл бұрын
None of you are exactly correct.. I'm Romanian in origin and I grew up there. I've studied Latin for five years in school and one in college. Romanian is also the closest modern widely spoken language to the classic and vulgar Latin in terms of grammar and pronunciation. It's actually both. In certain instances, like those mentioned by Arthur is 'u' or 'oo' and in others, like the one mentioned by Tekla, it's 'v'. So, you're all right, or none, or whatever. So, in this particular instance it would be, Veni (with a V), Vedi, Vici. Literally translated in Romanian it's: Venii, Vazui, Invinsei.
@Artecus
@Artecus 10 жыл бұрын
Protector of the Republic Protector, isn't `Veni vidi vici' pronounced, in Classical Latin, `Weni widi wiki?'
@weedmastersr
@weedmastersr 10 жыл бұрын
Arthur E. Michalak Actually, after writing that comment today I've looked through some of my old notebooks. The pronunciation we were taught in Romanian was actually closer to the way vulgar Latin was spoken. Anyway, we were taught two theories. One was that the correct pronunciation is in most cases as written, where the second "restaurationist" one (is there such a word in English?) said that researchers have been trying to come as close as possible to the way Romans used to use it (classic Latin) and v is indeed pronounce 'u', 'oo'. So is u (of course). So, you were actually right. Apologies!
@jakobpfeil4243
@jakobpfeil4243 2 жыл бұрын
in caeser i think the r would be rolled with the tip of the tongue like italians do
@abelpalmer552
@abelpalmer552 3 жыл бұрын
Guys -especially all the italians and native romance speakers- chill the f out, it was a good lesson. We know he didn't really try to put on his best accent, you don't need to lambast him with pejorative comments about how English speakers just have absolutely obscene pronunciations of Latin, especially because he got the essential elements right.
@KingRobertIofScots
@KingRobertIofScots 6 жыл бұрын
I thought V sounded like a w, and it also is used as the vowel we know as u. There was no u originally. For example: Jvlivs Cæsar.
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