158: Kris Packer | From Wife to Husband: A Story of My Journey

[@colleensorensen516]

I worked with Kris when she was Ms. Packer and transitioning to Mr. Packer. He's such an amazing, loving, caring man. I don't care who he loves and sleeps with, he's just an amazing person! And he always smelled great! Love you, Kris!

[@purrsephone2904]

This interview has helped me have a better understanding of transgender people. Thanks so much.

[@peterellis1371]

So inspiring Kris. i was a convert to the Mormon Church. I joined in the hope of finding answers to my identity, After many years including a mission I realized this was not for me, Without family attachments I was able to walk away. It was not easy for me; now I am appreciating how much more difficult it is for those who have lives and family within the Church. A beautiful part of your interview is the tears. Don't ever apologize for them!!! They show your true strength of character.

[@KaylynPNW]

Every one of these stories leave me simultaneously filled with grief and joy. Thank you for your vulnerability and courage. Much, much love to you. ♥️

[@davidbarker5957]

Thank you for dealing with and educating on subjects that can be uncomfortable or hard to really understand. Love to you. I am a gay man who could not come out until I was 50 years old because of the way the world was in the 1950s when I was growing up.

[@anjavonpfeil4312]

Thank you for telling this story. As Kris said, when he was much younger, there wasn't much known, or talked about transgender information. It's only through the telling of stories that we get educated about other people's lives, and that awareness comes about in communities. Stories that are told now, will influence the next generation, and so on into future generations. Compassion and empathy is created this way, as we try to put ourselves into someone else's shoes. Keep talking! 🥰❤️

[@abbyeh1]

I've got three kids in Alpine School District and I'm so glad to see someone awesome like you in administration! Thanks for the great interview; can't wait for the rest. :)

[@irishmclass2042]

I sincerely and genuinely loved this so very special interview of Kris Packer. I am a never-Mormon baby boomer in Gilbert, Az, and am so empathetic to all humanity that our God has created. God does give us challenges of various stripes in life, but He also gives us the love and grace to navigate those challenges. I am so pleased to follow Latter Gay Stories as my husband and I have a gay nephew who married and had two daughters in a "traditional" marriage. He was able to come out about 20 years ago, and found the love of his life. He and his husband have made a wonderful life together, they enjoy 5 grandchildren and have a truly meaningful and blessed life. Thank you, Kris, for your vulnerability to share with the most sincerest of heart your story. God bless you and your family!

[@jameswalberg3265]

Possibly the MOST complex mormon/LDS story ever !! Looking forward to subsequent interviews. Very topical considering Florida's recent law that passed. Expertly handled, Kyle.

[@Gjigfvniyf]

When Kris was talking about his breaking down in the dressing room when he was younger, I lost it. There have been multiple cases of child abuse where the parents force a young boy to put on girls clothes to shame him, I can’t imagine having to wear it every day and having no recourse to make it stop

[@debbsc5176]

I'm just now seeing this video, but also just discovered that we're related, Kris! Boyd K. Packer, it turns out, is my 12th cousin. Proud to learn about you, cuz! I can't wait to see part 3. Keep living your best life! ❤

[@kaylenepacker4068]

That’s awesome!! 🌈❤️

[@debbsc5176]

@@kaylenepacker4068 hey! I guess we're related, too, Kay. 😉 I did finish part 3 and have to say your family sounds amazing! So glad you found your person. (I kinda love that saying.) 💞

[@RandyAndy7373]

What a great guy🎉. I must admit I was full of prejudices towards GD and might still possess a few. Yet, Kris made me rethink much of what I thought. I am pretty sure God loves him. His gentle soul, his liberal thoughts and his clever mind are so convincing. Thank you much!❤

[@xelakram]

Kyle, I would just like to say that you do such a great job of interviewing your guests. You make each episode so interesting. I am not a Mormon, but I find your channel fascinating. You also have a great manner and way with your guests. Your videos are a great learning experience not only for Mormons but for non-Mormons too. Thank you so much!

[@LatterGayStories]

Thank you! I appreciate the feedback and I’m happy that the content is working to help a wider-than-Mormon audience. ❤️

[@xelakram]

@@LatterGayStories 👍♥

[@j.r.2184]

I feel like a lot of us who started transitioning older...there just wasn't the language or understanding around being transgender. The only examples I saw when I was high school age were from the Jerry Springer show and punchlines to comedy routines. I never saw an authentic, respectful representation until I was in my mid twenties, and then I literally thought to myself "I can't be transgender, because then I would be gay." I knew plenty of people who were gay. I had gay friends, but in my mind, being transgender would actually be CHOOSING to be gay, which for a Mormon living in downtown SLC, was completely unacceptable. It took covid and the deconstruction of my faith to finally get to the point where I could even consider the possibility, and once the possibility was open, I was drawn to it so strongly and so excited by the idea that I might actually be a man, instead of awkward uncomfortable woman, I couldn't ignore it, and haven't looked back since. And now I live in Texas. Fun times. :/

[@Ripskin16]

Hah, welcome to Texas, indeed it is fun time's :| The benefit though is most of the major cities are not too bad and quite decent. Dallas has a fairly large LGBTQ community. The leaders are... :( While it's horrible to say COVID was also my cover to starting my transition after a rough year of unlocking so many repressed memories, thoughts, feelings and desires. Church made life miserable. I went along with it as it was expected but I never felt like I belonged or fit in. Hard to explain to my daughter but the innocence of children and their pure unimpeded acceptance of everyone says it all.

[@mr.awesome3318]

This is a beautiful story

[@scottmccarthy7982]

Thank you Kyle. I am a gay Mormon. A returned missionary from the Sacramento CA Mission 1985. My husband and I have been together 25 years. I have members of my own Mormon family that are transgender. We are all one in Jesus Christ.

[@steves9905]

What a beautiful man...sweet spirit. No doubt in my mind he has been male from birth

[@romancox5386]

Being gay or straight has nothing to do with transgenders.

[@theinkbrain]

The 'eighties were not a time when lesbians and gays were invisible - there was information all over the place. So I can't understand this person's dilemma. There was no reason why she couldn't have worn jeans and shirts or t shirts to school. It was totally acceptable. Butch lesbians were all over the place. She could have been herself instead of thinking that she had to be a man in order to be attracted to and have relationships with girls. I still don't think she had to transition to being a trans person. She is every bit of a woman despite the fact that she has a beard and has taken hormones. Every cell in her body has two xx chromosomes. Her genitalia is female, and her brain is female. Its only exogenous hormones that have given her *the appearance* of being male. Its all a deep charade.

[@fox7378]

I know you say that they could have been themselves as a butch lesbian but there is a big difference between a sexual identity and a gender identity. As a trans male myself, it's not just clothing or your social group (in fact I think it's safe to say we wish it was because that would make our lives a little easier). It is who you are. They said it themselves, he felt like a boy since he was 4 and trust me when you feel like you are in the wrong gender, you know it. Even though his bones and DNA might not change it also doesn't change the fact that this process has helped him.

[@theinkbrain]

@@fox7378 That's just pure bs. *'identity' is not reality.* They are not, never have been, and never will be the same thing. I am glad that she gets to live her life as they wishes. She is clearly a wonderful human being. But what is real and what is pretend can never be reconciled. Its clear that she wishes to be and dresses like, and wants to be accepted as a male, Its clear she feels like she IS a man. *However, the truth is she is, was and will always be a female.* I hope she can be happy despite this sad, weird, and very distorted fantasy. I hope it never catches up to her some terrible day in the future.

[@theinkbrain]

@@fox7378 In the past this was called 'passing'. Women 'passed as men, but without the help of monthly hormone shots.The late Leslie Feinstein, author of Stone Butch Blues 'passed' as male. This was her gender identity, *but she never claimed to BE a male, because despite having a male gender identity she was demonstrably NOT a male.* In the past, Blacks who could do so passed as white. That was their racial identity, at least in public. J.Edgar Hoover, a black homosexual man, passed for white (and straight) though he was neither. A while ago a woman called Rachel Dolezal passed herself off as black.These are people who claimed *an identity* either of gender or race, or both. Rachel did not have any real claim to being black, just as any woman who has xx chromosomes, female genitals and female reproductive organs has no real claim to BEING male, because *CLAIMING a male gender identity while being physiologically and psychologically female does NOT MAKE ONE A MALE.* This is pretense, masquerade, imposture and self-deception. Bottom line, females with male gender identities are definitely NOT male. I can claim any of several identities, gender and or otherwise, *but claiming does not make it so. The same goes for biological males who claim to be female. Snipping off their dangly bits and rearranging them does not make them female.* There is no changing ones biological sex by ANY means, including hormones and surgery, and claiming a different gender.

[@TenthWardJenny]

What an interesting take. What are your thoughts on Homosexuals?

[@theinkbrain]

@@TenthWardJenny Homosexuals, i.e lesbians and gays have been eclipsed by the Transylvanians. If the sexualizing of kids in schools and the genital mutilation and sex change hysteria doesn't stop pretty soon there is going to be a big anti-LGBT+++++ backlash.