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AKA Kenneth Bailey 😊

Such a beautiful story. It's a shame that religious bigotry prevents many more stories like theirs.

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Gays for Trump!!!🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸❤️

I was a convert to the church, but resigned for different reasons, well one reason... My reason wasn't sexuality, prop 8, church history (pre CES letter issues), etc. it was when, after years of extensive research, I realized christianity was nothing more than a faith-based belief in the supernatural and there is no incontrovertible, substantiated evidence that any religious belief is true. Truth doesn't need faith. Nothing supernatural can be proven nor disproven, which is why so many theological beliefs are now mythology, as modern beliefs will become. This doesn't make me a gnostic atheist because spirituality can exist without religious affiliation. As for the LDS church, so much of what they do can be viewed as beneficial to society, however the doctrine and history is hateful, arrogant and obviously untrue. Joseph Smith was nothing more than a con-artist. That has actually been proven, thoroughly. Church leaders know this but disregard truth. Perhaps because the church is an incredible financial success.

The world will be a better place once organizations of faith-based beliefs in the supernatural are no more. Spirituality doesn't need rules, dogma, ancient stories, etc.

It's bizarre to hear two gay men talking about "grooming". This isn't a word that appears in the DSM-5 at all. Rather, it's part of the Mormon / fundamentalist Christian world view that all homosexuality arises from child molestation. Your guest was a legal adult, I presume, during the dating relationship with the married man. Both Kray and the older man, seemingly weren't experienced at having a gay relationship. For many reasons, including the fact that they were both going through traumatic life transitions at the time, the relationship didn't work out. Kray was not a "child victim" but rather involved himself in a relationship that didn't work out. The reflexive portrayal of older gay men as "groomers" and "predators" is unnecessary and offensive.

Two years have passed... is there a follow-up?

His tears, even after the time that's passed before this interview, shows he has such a loving, compassionate heart. The LDS church is responsible for SO many lost lives. I can't understand why people still join it, I mean after the CES letter debacle, the leaders saying to believe what they tell you, not the facts ... it's so crazy.

My comments were passed to you after the first interview with Richard, as I had left training for the Catholic priesthood when I fell in love with my Rick, another seminarian. You mentioned how much you enjoy both sharing with each other (cultures, foods, music) and I must say that travel was a big one for us. After our first year together in 1968, we boarded a freighter in New York City and landed in Tangiers, Morocco. We then hitchiked across North Africa to Egypt and went up the Nile to Aswan and then crossed to Italy before coming home to Canada. That sharing of "look at that", and "here, taste this" contributed to the bond that cemented our love for all those years. And now that he's gone, it's one of the things that I want to do so many times daily, is "share" with him something....anything. So DO travel, and enjoy together, as life is short, and even my 54 years was not long enough. LOVE to you Both, with thanks to Kyle for sharing your story. John 🇨🇦

As a young Roman Catholic youth, I was steeped in the ways of the Church, serving mass as an altar boy, knowing priests behind the facade of the altar, in the sacristy and yet feeling "different" as I entered puberty. I dated and hoped for the change that Richard thought would be given to him from God above. Wanting to serve my fellow man, a legacy of my father's in our local parish, I entered the seminary to become a missionary priest, knowing that celibacy and abstaining from "family life" are canonical imperatives that would help me cover my inner and gay longings. What happened was I opened up to a fellow seminarian who faced the same dilemma and we fell deeply in love. Of course, this could not stand within the regimen of the priesthood, so we decided to both leave our training after five and three years for myself and Richard respectively. We felt that we could live as a couple within "normal" society and live the gospel message of love to our fellow neighbours, giving many of them thier first exposure to a same sex couple. We did this for a joyous 54 years before I lost Rick to ill health in 2022. So much of what Richard had to live through in the LDS experience hit home with me in hearing of his story of disguise and yet hope. It has been a wonderful story he has shared about his old life and his new one with Josh, and I can only wish for any measure of the joy and happiness that Richard (Rick) and I found, in his years ahead. It really does get better...and better ! Thank him for sharing. John ❤️❤️

He didn't know that he was gay until he was middle aged? Sorry but that is bullshit. His wife didn't know? please!

To the people saying that "he's misrepresenting, and that there is no edit": there absolutely used to be and edit, and the reason you're not seeing one is because the church, just like they always have, are silently editing history. Why on earth are the people that are silently editing history the good guys?

Obviously, it has nothing to do with religion, where you grow up, how naive you might be...if it's there, it's there, and always will be. ...so why would we force people, to have to figure it out over several decades? That is a disservice.

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David achouleta Deus te ama muito Jesus Cristo te amo muito e a sua mãe também da mesma forma que sua mãe me ama de muito mesmo eu sei que você também ama ela e sei também que o pai celestial Jesus Cristo espírito santos ama muito vocês vocês são filhos de Deus Dave um chulé não se afaste de Deus na de Jesus Cristina do Espírito Santo conversa com sua mãe direitinho e retorno o evangelho porque o evangelho é de Jesus Cristo dos santos dos moro dia do pai celestial e de vocês também viu e de vocês também vocês faz parte do evangelho Jesus Cristo tô saindo das mordinha converse com sua mãe direitinha Deve chuleta é toma no evangelho de Jesus Cristo estorna a igreja tomar um sacramento todo domingo e ao templo trabalhar no tempo em favor das pessoas falecer Reinaldo faça isso meu filho que você tá fazendo tudo bem você e sua mãe sei que a sua mãe lhe criou com muita mor com muita educação Não jogue isso no lixo não jogue isso no mato o que você aprendeu no evangelho jeans Cristo som dos orgânicos e a sua mãe também que ela foi 45 anos não é 45 minutos aprenderam muita coisa não jogue no ace não jogue no lixo o que a de Deus não se joga no lixo vai pra Deus de novo Vai de volta pra Deus eu como mãe eu te peço em nome de Jesus Cristo e do pai celestial e do Espírito Santo que conversa com sua mãe direitinho e retorna o evangelho por que no evangelho foi que você vai ser feliz sei sua mãe tenha uma boa tarde meu nome é Maria de Fátima da Silva Eu moro aqui no lugar chamado Caucaia Ceará Brasil em karting de Fortaleza capital do Ceará eu sofro demais quando eu vejo um membro se afastando e ver você imagina missionar retornado um a cesta me dói eu tenho um filho que fez missão de tempo integral em Utah e se afastou e eu sofro muito mas eu tenteu fé em Deus que o mesmo Deus Que chamou vocês pela primeira vez passei a ele ele vai chamar você de volta assim como chama a família muito grande aqui na nossa estaca tinham se afastado e voltou Deus chamou ele de volta vai chamar tudinho com a bença de Deus e sua mãe ele tá de braços abertos vai celeste Jesus Cristo estão de braços abertos esperar o retorno de vocês não negue não negue Não negue voltem volte pra Deus voltem pra Jesus Cristo vamo tapar o Espírito Santo ele vai lhe acompanhar ele vai guiar ele vai todo mar um beijo deve a juleta pra você e a sua mãe vocês são pessoas maravilhosas

it's like the book " The Handmaids Tale for Mormons and gays there

Mormons are the new Puritans,the patriarchy is the fault of all homophobia, castration angst is in all those faiths and societies

Craig is a renaissance man, a deep thinker who has many skills and insights, the LDS should actually be listening to him! I mean, this guy even reads hierglyphics just for fun!

Can you have Jonathan Decker from Cinema Therapy on your channel, please? I think he would have great insights from his perspective of therapist and movie buff. He did blog post on your site once. Please, please, please.

So awesome, I loved it! I’ll read that book when it gets here in a couple of days, thanks for expressing so much of my own experience, you’ve done that very well.

The problem with the other side of this conversation is the lack of compassion and understanding for members who were brought up under the doctrine and belief that homosexuality was not just wrong, because of its sexual component, but was wrong because of its defilement of heavenly father's plan of families and households of husbands and wives. But according to you, it is not okay to ask questions or to show confusion. How is that fair?

You are gay !

Satan realy got ahold of people today wow

Thanks for this conversation. I am trying to hold space for everyone's experience because I am not LGBT. Just one note, Ben did not grow up in AZ. He lived there for a time, but grew up in Washington State.

All that love/puzzy denied, to play with bats and balls

Just pre ordered!!

57:27 I’m extremely touched by the Brigham City temple experience. Here are two humans who in the darkness of the churches beliefs don’t see eye to eye. But when those things that make them “different” aren’t demonized beautiful things of light result!!🙏💙

Kyle, just some old friends from the basin here thanking you for your work. This was a special conversation. It would benefit the whole world especially members of the church to hear Laurie’s story. I think it helps to open our hearts to the trials so many people are going through so that we can be more Christian in our acceptance and love for them.

Tommy....you're TERRIFIC and so very strong ! Well done in always "bouncing back" ! LOVE You 💞

Well that is BS....period! You deserved better & the truth from the beginning.❤

Marriage is between woman and man not man and man/

You are SO brave. You’ll have a wonderful life and so will your family because of your bravery. Well done.

Tantas irregularidades que suceden en los JUICIOS DISCIPLINARIOS, lo que más molesta es que no es transparente, no tiene nada de amor y no te permiten elegir a quienes te juzgan, que en algunos casos son una lacra

Un lastima que gran parte de los libros de la iglesia MORMONA o SUD están en inglés, uso el traductor en los videos y en los libros no es posible. Gracias por lo que comparten sobre la DIVERSIDAD 😊

Your poor wife. Even of she dealt with it well, it was not how she thought her life would be.😢

Laurie, earlier today i listened to you from an interview 7 years ago.... My heart cried even more. It was all still so raw then... Youve come a long way dear. Applause for all your courage, your strength, your belief in yourself!!!

Thirty years ago, during a Sunstone Symposium, a Johns Hopkins biologist? gave an all afternoon, standing room only, presentation on the physiology of gender (or something like that). It was so informative, stunning, eye-opening and hopefully forever judgment deleting aafternoon. I have told hundreds of mormons ever since. I think the Mormon MEN in charge of their church should ALL attend such an enlightening presentation

We were all DUPED by $1 TRILLION Mormon Cult led by Q15 CON MEN!! There in lies the source of warm fuzzy Mormon feelings of confirmation bias.

So nice to see y'all!

Who is the speaker at the end of the video?

I was raised in the church, too. I was terrified to come out. I knew I’d be disowned. So I never came out. I was found out. My coming out story had a bit of hilarity and a lot of devastation and heartbreak. In the end, I lost my family, rendered homeless and on my own at 16. My journey has a lot of up and downs. Depression, self harm. Etc. I never got into drugs or alcohol, though. I tried to remain morally solid, don’t steal, do good, didn’t drunk, do drugs, etc. I had my good days and bad days. Homelessness at 16, abused by someone supposed to help me. My story is different but connected to the church. Thanks for sharing, I wish my experience was different. I’m glad you’re happy. P.S. you have an infectious smile.

Wow, so inspiring. I started listening to this on the elliptical and then had a longer workout than planned :) As well as Laurie's story, I am so inspired by the story of your assistant and secret ally, and am so glad that she revealed herself. Those quiet actions can do so much!

Congrats on navigating all the barriers and coming to your own! Xoxo

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Thanks, Laurie! Even as a straight 75 year old when I resigned from the church, I felt an authenticity that has remained for the past eight years. People often ask where will you go now that you have left the church to those who can no longer stay and be authentic for whatever reason. My answer as one other those people is "I am going to find freedom, a place where I can be me.!" Thank you my bright friend for your story. It is cause for thought.

Speaking of feeling like you're misrepresenting yourself, there is a little Baptist church near me that started putting, "Monday 6pm: Celebrating Recovery" on their sign. A neighbor of mine took this to mean they were hosting an AA type support group and since he was a recovering drug addict, he started going. It turns out, it was not anything about AA but was in reality a proselytizing method. About 6 weeks into his journey, he said to me, "Rob, I think they are trying to change me." I said, "Well duhhh... It's a church. The Gospel is about accepting you where you are and then encouraging you to change." I can't fault him for not wanting to go any more. He has mental issues and was sexually abused. He's spent a log time just learning to accept himself as he is. Now being told he needs to change is more than he bargained for. Personally, I feel bad that the church misrepresented itself this way.