Launchpad X - ultimate pad layout for finger drumming

[@TheQuestforGroove]

UPDATE July 2020: I found another adjustment with horizontal toms that is therefore more easily translateable to my lessons (which are 4x4). Check it out in this blogpost >> questforgroove.com/the-best-8x8-pad-layout-for-finger-drumming/

[@lowbassdude1987]

Fantastic, I really want to get started again, glad you are still going strong!

[@alexgarcialeal]

Hi! Would you still consider this Layout to be your top choice?

[@els1f]

I love how you're looking at this from an ergonomic standpoint and setting up your own standards! It's like positions in string instruments. 👍✌️

[@trevorgrondin1512]

this is by far the BEST tutorial on pad layout. this legitimately shows the freedom you can have with an 8x8 layout that you just can’t with a 4x4 layout. thank you!

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Thanks, that means a lot! Make sure to check out one other version I made in the blog post linked below. That might be even a little better than the one I end up with here. Small changes.

[@TheQuestforGroove]

UPDATE: There is some double note triggering going on with this device. I'm personally not bothered by it because the double triggered notes are very soft. If you play with fixed velocity however, this might cause problems!

[@inspector-tech]

Interesting. Is it definitely an issue? Would you do a short update video on it? Maybe Novation can take note and maybe release a firmware update?

[@TheQuestforGroove]

The issue is very small in my experience. Problem is that with fixed velocity the super soft gits will be 100% loudness and then it's annoying. I will let novation know!

[@SideFlame]

Yeah just received mine and I'm getting constant double triggering. Not really sure what to do, is my unit faulty or is this .. normal?

[@TheQuestforGroove]

@SideFlame well... I think there might be a better unit out there for you. Because I have some double note triggering but when I'm playing it actually isn't annoying at all. So it could be personal taste, by it I suspect that it just might be worse in some devices. In my controller it happens when my finger swipes across the pads instead of cleanly hitting them. A repetitive clean hit with one finger never triggers a double note. What I would do first is turn aftertouch off and pick the heavier velocity curve in settings. (You have to hold one button and then you get these menus. It's all in the manual). That might help. If it keeps happening constantly and loudly, it might be a faulty device. That said, double note triggering happens in basically every pad controller in some way or form. So trying to find one that never ever does this is not a mission you want to take on.

[@Loagz_Beatz]

you just took this to an entire new level

[@justinpompeii9409]

I get seriously bummed out sometimes when my grooves don’t get as smooth as I want and your finger drumming videos always get me back into drumming

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Hey, thanks! I still feel that way regularly. It really depends on the type of groove that I'm playing. :-) All I can say is that regularly playing and counting out loud, swiching where the metronome click falls and stuff like that (i made videos about all of those things here on the channel) those things over time will make it much easier to get a groove to work. Sometimes with a couple of days of practice and maybe multiple takes though. That still applies to me too.

[@KandMe1]

I’m tempted to use those other 10 empty pads on number 7 for congas and permission. Great job thank you. Now I need a launchpad x.

[@mangalamkumar8988]

This is informative. Can you add a video on how you assign each key with different drum parts in Ableton?

[@madimakes]

a side effect is that this has sped up my Ableton workflow. thank you

[@Wildenfree]

Definitely love this, such a great consideration & practical approach. It’s impressive that you thought so much about this & took the ergonomics into consideration. Absolutely appreciate this - I’m definitely going to configure some drum sets in this layout!

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Thanks for the kind words! I'll do my best to keep making more content like this in 2021!

[@Wildenfree]

@@TheQuestforGroove awesome! Looking forward to it man. You’ve got a new subscriber 💪🏾💯

[@middlegermanymusic]

Can you guys help me insert sound into specific positions like the QFG pad layout please I can't find tutorials on youtube or internet Thanks in advanced

[@Polypumpkins]

Thank you for sharing this!!! Your placement of samples is mind blowing!

[@inspector-tech]

BTW, I just ordered mine. Should hopefully have it by tomorrow. Will be using it as a midi controller as I don't have Live 10. Only Live 9 suite. It's a shame as I'll be missing out on a lot of the features...

[@dasczwo]

dude your intro jingle is the best.

[@pascaldeshayes5459]

Deliciously nerdy, thanks.

[@pascaldeshayes5459]

Hey gang, Based on this review, I spent 2 hours in a local music shop to try this Launchpad X for myself (using a drumkit in Ableton Live). My conclusions differ substantially. I found the soft velocities to be un-evenly or simply not at all reproduced by the Launchpad X, which wasn't the case with Push 2. Push to me was much better and felt like an instrument and not a controller. I actually had the opposite problem with Push, it triggered even the slightest touch, so I went into unwanted neighbouring pads triggering. Also, the rectangle shape of the Push pads felt less natural to me. But in terms of responsiveness, that was another experience compared to X. It felt like X had 16 velocity steps, where Push would have 128 or so. To me X's pads are just large enough but smaller would make it a challenge to finger drum. Also, some pads had a little protruding dot at their center, which felt distracting when playing. I was very tempted to buy one just for slice triggering in Beatmaker 3, but I'd ideally like to find a 64-pad controller that really feels like an instrument (but as a drummer I may be especially picky). I didn't run into double triggering issues at all, though. I also tried an M-Audio Code 25 that was less bad than expected but the chassis resounds when hitting the pads (that are comfortably large, though) and triggering was a bit rougher than the X, but not that much. I also tried a controller with a classy wooden base and intercheangeable "mats" that I was pretty surprised by. I wouldn't make it my main pads system but it was pretty good. I used to own a grey Akai MPD but sold it years ago, so I'm unable to compare. I don't have good memories in particular in terms of responsiveness. My MPK mini is a nice toy but again, the responsiveness is rough as it tends to translate medium velocities as hard hits. I was on the hunt for a dedicated controller and not a software combination, so I only spent a few minutes with Maschine MK3 and an MPC Live and both felt like a robust piece of gear. I did not spend the time with actual sounds, though. Maschine pads felt a little more like cold hard plastic than the Live's to me. I would ideally take 64 of Push's (or maybe Maschine's or MPC Live's) pads in a slightly larger format Launchpad X... So, my advice would be to try it for yourself before you buy, if you can. Based on the above, would a Korg Pad Kontrol white be the answer to my pad quest? (as recommended in another video)

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Hey! Quick reply from the train: I can share with you that I bought another Launchpad X just to compare two devices side by side and they respond differently from one another. The 'newer' launchpad has no double note triggering at all but responds less well to softer touches. I contacted novation to ask if they changed something hardware wise after the first batch. Still waiting for a reply. All that said, when comparing to other devices on the market right now I would still consider both Launchpad X'es to be in the top tier in terms of pad quality. Theres a velocity setting inside the device. On the heavier launchpad I set it to the lightest setting and on the lighter launchpad I set it to the heavier setting. That made them both very playable. But still a bit of a big difference between the two. The dots on the pads are for visually impaired people by the way. With 64 pads you need some anchor points besides the edges.

[@pascaldeshayes5459]

Thanks for the details! Could you please elaborate on how to change the velocity curve of the pads, please? Is that a per-pad process or global for the whole Launchpad X? Please let us know what Novation say, that would be really helpful! I may have to spend 1 hour opening all the Xs they have in stock to find a good one... not sure they'll allow me to do that...

[@TheQuestforGroove]

You have to hold the Session button (middle top) and then press the second button on the right side of the device (from the top, its called > PAN). You can also turn aftertouch off, which seems to make a small improvement for some peple. Thats the same process but then the 3rd button on the right (from the top again > Send A). I'm investigating some more and Im planning on doing a video in a few weeks diving a little deeper into the "how to get good pads" problem. I'm sort of lucky to hear from my students what their expriences are with controllers and one of the big issues that keeps coming up is that for every controller there are always "bad specimens". In the case of akai mpd218 it seemed to be getting worse and worse so I stopped recommending it even though I have one pretty solid MPD218 myself. But yesterday I heard from someone he got a Presonus Atom with very inconsistently responding pads and it was fixed by returning it and getting another Atom. The maschine mikro seems to have improved with firmware updates and is now on par with my bigger maschine mk3. But that might also be because after 2,5 years, my big maschine mk3 has lost some of its sensitivity (wear and tear). Which is also something I should talk about because you can buy 2 maschine mikro''s and one presonus atom for the price of one big maschine mk3. Dropping $600 every 2,5 years is also not feasible for a lot of people. Obviously these insights only recently came to light because I'm now experiencing them with my maschine. Anyways... I want my next video about this topic to be clear about all of these difficulties and still give you a "best buy advice" for 2020. But my guess is it will be a "best chance of getting something decent in 2020" video and not a "just buy this, it is a no brainer... that seems to be impossible with the level of quality control and what most people want from their pad controllers (most people dont care about these 'small' differences, so manufacturers get away with it)"

[@pascaldeshayes5459]

@@TheQuestforGroove I've compared the new X to my MPK mini and the mini responds better to soft nuances (although the ramp is pretty rough)... Is there any realistic solution other than trying 30 Xs in a shop to pick one? ;-)

[@TheQuestforGroove]

@@pascaldeshayes5459 I think maybe try a maschine mikro mk3 in the shop and see how that feels? The sensitivity of that one can be set in controller editor (midi mode) or in maschine software itself. Its 4x4 but perhaps a better fit in terms of pads?

[@JohnSmith-pn2vl]

how did you not color the pads like in your diagram :)

[@n3v3rg01ngback]

This instrument is the Fender strat of our generation.

[@avetisk]

Really enjoyed the video. I was looking for some layout ideas, and your “basic” layout seems to be an excellent starting point. Thanks!

[@vigneshbalajimusiq4933]

bro pls comment on my video

[@MediaMusik777]

i really like the launch key mk3

[@RobertWilley6]

Great concept, beautifully explained. Bless you!

[@rayderrich]

I already loved my LPP Mk3. Now I adore it. Thanks!

[@free2muse]

Great vid man. Haven't seen too many like this. Thx!

[@totemadept]

Very insightful I’ve been looking for something like this though I have a different 64 pad controller

[@guillaumezitoun2946]

Thank u for this excellent work! Very pedagogic and intelligent way of sharing. I'm looking for a digital solution for my son who plays drums and has just started using ableton and you conviced me to buy this controller and configurate it in your way. Thank you very much j

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Glad it was helpful!

[@Netunoblu]

Your channel is amazing, so glad to have found it! This video was the one that helped me decide on the Launchpad X. You've got yourself a new sub :D

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Thank you! I'll keep up making more videos+

[@bastian3182]

You’re a genius. Amazing layout. But what about the sensitivity of Launchpad X vs Launchpad Pro?

[@TheQuestforGroove]

X is better in every way. Also more sensitive pads!

[@bastian3182]

The Quest for Groove Thanks for your quick response. I was going a little crazy looking for comparisons of X vs Pro and couldn't find anything.

[@TheQuestforGroove]

@@bastian3182 Hey no problem. Another thing thts great about the X is that you have custom modes. You can litterally assign any note or color to any pad and even create "faders" covering multiple pads. Really nice.

[@guitarcovers4564]

@@TheQuestforGroove I should have got the X. Dang it. Is there a way to assign notes to pads in the launchpad pro.

[@waterisgood6205]

Thats not drumming, hes very good with the pad but its not dumming.

[@irwanazly]

Really enjoyed watching your videos. I want to start finger drumming but have never used a launchpad before. Recently I got myself a Novation Mini Mk3. How do you map drums sounds into the launchpad? I cant seem to find any tutorial on mapping your launchpad using Novation Component software.

[@TheQuestforGroove]

I explain it a bit over here: questforgroove.com/drum-rolls-for-finger-drummers/

[@irwanazly]

@@TheQuestforGroove Thank you. I have signed up as a member and watched your 'members only' videos. Very helpful!

[@eDrumsInANutshell]

Hi, a drummer here. Great proposal. That all makes sense. And I am a bit jealous just drumming with 2 arms and 2 legs, dude. I will definitely follow your layout, so, for some corrections in Cubase or checking some sounds. I got another question: I really like those chromatic percussion instruments. Did you ever used some light sticks or mallets on these pads. The Pearl Malletstation or the MalletKAT is way to expensive and the sample pads got the wrong layout... Ha, I am thinking of grabbing a $60 kids mat drum kit and ...DIYing something...😅

[@prathamnaik9769]

viewer from India 🇮🇳

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Awesome! Welcome aboard my friend :-)

[@roukanguitar7203]

Nice vidoe and a reak good guide to posizion yout fingers. Ic have one question about this, i have an Launchpad X and ich use cbase 12 with EZDrummer 3 and i want to know if anybody can tell me how can i change the buttons to the right instrument? maybe anybody can help me

[@henryauden618]

Thank you for this guide! Do you happen to know: are note components (pads) that I place in the custom mode also support aftertouch alongside the velocity? (just like note-pads in the native "note mode")

[@TheQuestforGroove]

I think they do but I'm not in a place where I can check right now!

[@henryauden618]

​@@TheQuestforGroove Thank you! If you ever have a chance to check it at any time, please let me know. I'd be super grateful :)

[@samprock]

Fill, space, size - convinced :) Thanks Rob!

[@meltonboroughcouncil861]

This is great, BUT, HOW do you actually assign the pads to the Launchpad in Ableton (or anywhere?) so that even the simplest of Robert's layouts are actually playing the correct drum in any drum rack...I'm a noob...sorry in advance...

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Hey Melton, I got you covered. Here's my setup guide for Launchpad X: questforgroove.com/course/beginnercourse/device-specific-setup-guides/launchpad-x/ And here's the one for Launchpad pro mk3: questforgroove.com/course/beginnercourse/device-specific-setup-guides/launchpad-pro-mk3/

[@meltonboroughcouncil861]

@@TheQuestforGroove A MASSIVE thank you Robert; I will look at these now! I am actually looking for some further guidance on Brazilian rhythms like Bossa Nova, Samba and Choro but before I start getting into those, I need to get to grips on how to set up and lay out the pads for Ableton Live 11...all very new! Thanks again Robert, much appreciated!

[@DavidDaliva]

It's kinda weird (but awesome) that you are a pure finger drummer (no instrument samples)

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Yeah that's sort of my "niche" haha. I started doing this in my home studio because I wanted quality drums that sounded real without going through the hassle of recording a real drummer :-) And after noticing that hardly anybody else did this I figured I would share my findings with the world. Thanks for the kind words!

[@TheQuestforGroove]

I'm working on a "song" on the launchpad that's more than just drums by the way. Curious to see if I can pull that off!

[@DavidDaliva]

Almost all of the channels out there uses finger drumming to make beats with samples. Yours is a nice change of scenery

[@athamz9872]

What do you mean no instrument samples? These are all samples

[@DavidDaliva]

@@athamz9872 I mean like guitar samples. Or loops. He's solely working on drum samples.

[@dmitryklimov9706]

Thank you! ❤️ Subscribed!

[@KM-px8cs]

Thanks for this video!

[@sunkenforest]

I would love to see more 64 pad layout tips and tricks.

[@TheQuestforGroove]

I'll mess around with this thing and will share a new video when I have something interesting to say again!

[@rescue_my_unicorn3046]

Hey really nice video but how can I change the layout of an acoustic drum kit in logic and assign it?

[@TheQuestforGroove]

I think you need something like this script? >> www.logicprohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=141718 Theres also a free plugin called "note mapper" that can do something similar. codefn42.com/notemapper/

[@rescue_my_unicorn3046]

@@TheQuestforGroovePerfect 👌 thank you very much🙏 I really like your content 👍 Keep going

[@TheJoyofFingerDrumming]

Your video came just in time after I watched the Novation official promos for the X :) how does the pad sensitivity compare to the Launchpad Pro? Thanks! I'm thinking of switching from the Pro to the X, but only if the difference in pad sensitivity is noticeable. Great video by the way, awesome playing and great ideas for pad layouts!!!

[@TheQuestforGroove]

The X is definitely a step up in every way. More sensitive pads, bigger pads (because closer together) and custom modes so you can finally change all the notes and colors of pads instead of being stuck with those 4 colored squares.

[@TheJoyofFingerDrumming]

@@TheQuestforGroove That's very helpful, cheers!

[@javilobaton]

It would be nice to see how you implement this distribution in the Launchpad X. I asume is by using the software to build a custom set.

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Yes! Well.. its always an interaction between de drum software and the notes of the pad. So I usually provide a layout and sometimes drumkit sounds but the setup is usually the fastest by just using midi learn, select a sound, hit a pad and so forth.

[@javilobaton]

Thanks for your insight. I really like your content, your approach of rock finger drumming instead all the electronic stuff. I dare to suggest a video explaining which is the best layout for a guy, like myself, who is learning to drum with the real thing. How to finger drum, using the hands you would normally use in a classic drum set. So your finger drumming mimics and serve as training for actual drumming. Thanks and keep the good content from south Spain!!

[@TheQuestforGroove]

@@javilobaton Real quick: I think using my standard 4x4 layout is the best way to go when you're starting out. You can do the free beginner course on questforgroove.com that explains how to set everything up. Then, the grooving & improving course will guide you through the basics and then... you can start practicing rudiments and stuff like that which is also handy for real drumming!

[@HOLIDAYCREWSTUDIOS]

Hi are the Pads on launch key Mk3 61 same as Launchpad X ??

[@guitarcovers4564]

hello. Great playing and info. I just got a launchpad pro and have ez drummer. I cannot figure out how to program the pads to trigger the drum sounds i want in ez drummer and have not seen much info on it. Do you have any tips? I use flstudio as my DAW. Thank You.

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Ez drummer is a bit of a bummer. That rhymes but it's true. You cannot change the drum map inside ez drummer. What you have to do is see if you can setup the notes of the pads inside the llaunchkey first. That might work with Novation Components software. If that doesnt work my advice would be to try and use this free plugin called "note mapper". That allows you to map any midi note to another note instantly. That way you can send the right pad to the right sound in ez drummer. It's a bit of a hassle though. In addictive drums 2 for example you can just use midi learn inside the program to instantly assign sounds to pads...

[@gunterstunter]

Nice video! Can you make a start to finish tutorial on how to set up a launchpad x to Logic Pro for finger drumming and set your custom sounds. Setting that you use on the launchpad etc? Also if you could show how to finger drum connected to an iPhone with GarageBand or android so I can finger drum on the go as well, it would be awesome to see those, thanks! :)

[@TheQuestforGroove]

I have the best setup guide I can make in my beginner course: questforgroove.com/course/beginnercourse/basic-setup/installation/ I have a written out guide for the Launchpad X, but... that's where it stops. I don't go into specific DAWs because that would mean combining about 10 popular pad controllers with 10 popular daws, which means writing a hundred guides.

[@inviscid43]

Cool channel for a bit of an esoteric niche. Thanks! I'm generally interested in developing my "drumming brain". I am mediocre at playing the physical drums as I don't get to play them often. How much do you think finger drumming helps with both being able to program better (more natural sounding) drum parts and being better at playing physical drums?

[@TheQuestforGroove]

There will be some overlap with physical drums and programming better will also be a thing. However, it does feel like a bit of an unnecessary detour to learn finger drumming in order to get better at real drums. There must be a way to actually develop real drumming skills even though you might not have much time on the kit. Like using a practice pad and stuff like that. You're probably better off thinking about that than actually learning a different skill. I use finger drumming for all my drums and I'm happy with doing it that way which is why I spent all this time learning it.

[@Oguzlarnaka]

Rob my English is terrible and I'm beginner on finger drum but your videos are very helpful and great thanks for sharing.... Greetings from Germany

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Thank you!!

[@nejclavrencic6182]

Greetings from Slovenia 😁👍🇸🇮🇸🇮

[@dgebossa]

Thx for your great job. It’s always a pleasure to watch your very informative vidéos.

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Thank you! I'll keep em coming :-)

[@Artek604]

Was looking for X review, stumbled on this. Wasn't disappointed in the least! That was impressive and awesome! :o

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Thanks! I got the launchpad pro mk3 (the new one) yesterday and I can tell you that in terms of pad sensitivity and quality and consistency between devices it's actually better than the launchpad x. I've played 3 launchpad xes. All decent but some better than others. I've played two launchpad pros. Both exactly the same and very good feel.

[@Artek604]

@@TheQuestforGroove I'm assuming you use them with Live, but do you have any other DAW? I'm especially curious if playing notes (with key & scales, ideally) would work in other DAWs and if the Custom modes would work too, specifically CC faders? I've been trying to find that info everywhere but no luck so far :(

[@TheQuestforGroove]

@@Artek604 i use cubase and it does work with that. I think for ableton theres even more extra functionality but just some basic midi note and cc messages will probably work with any daw.

[@Artek604]

@@TheQuestforGroove Thank you for confirming that! If I may have one more question - if one the Custom page you add chromatic or scale keyboard, will it get transposed with up/down buttons? I'm trying to decide between X and Mini Mk3 and they're (Novation) very vague about differences between them and the details of features :( And the support doesn't reply for over a week, too :(

[@TheQuestforGroove]

@@Artek604 I checked. It doesnt transpose in custom mode. It only does that when using the built in scale mode. With custom mode you select the octave when designing the layout in novation components.

[@dodecafono]

Love that catchy intro. Great channel by the way

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Thank you!

[@mattipekkarinen4506]

Super valuable! Thank you so much.

[@Fonkemman]

Maybe the space above can be for rolls? Or trap hihats? Like the one in your other videos, difference is they are on the sides.

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Yeah that might be a good one actually!

[@angelleoracle6927]

thanks this was awesome

[@SamuelAging]

I’ve really been digging your channel recently. Thank for all the great advice and tutorials. I have a question. I have been making music with virtual instruments and Reaper for about a decade now, but recently I’ve been wanting to learn finger drumming in order to speed up the process. I have some pads on my midi controller (Nektar Panorama P4) but there are only 12, and they are not quite sensitive enough in my opinion. I use them mostly for adding my favorite instruments to tracks, triggering key switches etc. I would like to get a pad controller for use with my many drum vsti’s, and I think I would like this one because 16 pads does not seem like enough to lay out all the samples I want to use. I would like to have all my articulations available without having to switch pages, so 64 pads seems like a good idea. My question is do you think this is too much for me to deal with as a beginning finger drummer? My plan is to get decent at making basic beats with kick, snare, hats, ride, crash at first. I can always overdub fills at a lower tempo until I get more proficient at “live” finger drumming. I am very close to pulling the trigger on this device because I don’t think 16 pads will be enough. It will work ok with Reaper, correct? Will it conflict with my existing keyboard style midi controller? Sorry for the wall of text!

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Sounds like you should get a 8x8 controller my friend! I can recommend the launchpad pro mk3 over the launchpad x by the way. Even better pads! Both devices will work with reaper or any daw and they're just midi controllers so compatible with anything!

[@SamuelAging]

The Quest for Groove Thanks for your prompt reply! I will look into the Pro Mk3 for sure. Keep making great videos...love your content!

[@SamuelAging]

The Quest for Groove So I’ve been checking out the Pro mk3....looks amazing but it may be overkill for my needs. It’s also $350 compared to $179 for the X. You say the pads are better...would you mind explaining how? They seem to be the same size. Are they more sensitive? Less prone to double notes? Do you own one yourself? Thanks!

[@justdope1963]

What other unit would the pad sensitivity be comparable to? Does at actually compete with the likes of the Maschine MK3 and Ableton Push 2?

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Yeah it sure seems like it does actually!

[@justdope1963]

@@TheQuestforGroove Oh wow, thanks for letting me know. That's a bit of a game changer then. 64 great pads at a much more affordable price than the MK3 or Push 2. I'd definitely suggest a demonstration of the units you consider the best as a continuation of your comparison/buyers guide series. Cheers sir.

[@TheQuestforGroove]

@@justdope1963 I'm working on it. I'm trying to get novation to do s giveaway which I can incorporate in the video:-)

[@HriishiiOfficial]

Cool . Super cool 🔥🔥🔥🔥 hey can u make video how to set them in drum kit

[@TheQuestforGroove]

I always use midi learn. So inside my software (addictive drums 2) i click "learn" next to the sound and then hit the pad. Do this for all sounds and then save the map. Works like a charm!

[@Gruby7C1h]

Could you share which actual samples you've used for the keys? There's so many different types of snares, rides, etc. that I'm lost :(

[@TheQuestforGroove]

I use Addictive Drums with the Black Oyster, Fairfax 1 and Funk kits for almost everything I do. Big black friday sale going on right now at xlnaudio.com so if you like these sounds I can highly recommend you getting the "custom" starter pack. For the rest, the diagram on this page is the closest I can get to naming everything. The problem is that people name these sounds and samples differently. So "Cymbal C" is just a random cymbal that you think sounds good. There's no way around this really, because everyone uses different kits and samples. >> questforgroove.com/the-best-8x8-pad-layout-for-finger-drumming/

[@jordonjo7517]

How do I set this up in Ableton, with Launchpad Pro + Addictive Drums?

[@TheQuestforGroove]

I'm not familiar with ableton, and I don't have a specific guide for this. The thing that comes closest is my article on how to use Novation Components to create custom layouts. questforgroove.com/drum-rolls-for-finger-drummers/ and this article on the QFG messageboards about the ableton drum rack : questforgroove.discourse.group/t/ableton-drum-effects-rack-for-finger-drumming/182

[@Fabio-Guidi]

Thanks, Rob... a question: "how go in Logic Pro X or Cubase 10? Thanks! Fabio (ITA)

[@TheQuestforGroove]

You can setup the controller to work with any software (cubase, logic etc.) By using Novation Components. novationmusic.com/en/components You can create a layout and setup all the notes the way you want them and then control anything inside your DAW.

[@Fabio-Guidi]

Thanks Rob... thanks you are really kind! A strong hug Fabio

[@djGreenALERT]

I had to laugh at the complexity of this. This is the first time I have seen one of your videos, and here's me I just bought a Launchpad Pro mk3 and struggling to even set up the midi situation correctly. :)) I absolutely had to like and subscribe though. How could I see all the above and not????? It's the most impressed I think I have ever been at a you tube video!

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Hey! I made a step-by-step guide for the Launchpad pro mk3 on my website. That might help you set things up correctly. It's part of my 100% free beginner course, so you can also check that out if you want :-) But here's the link. For these setup guides there's no need to make an account. >> questforgroove.com/course/beginnercourse/device-specific-setup-guides/launchpad-pro-mk3/

[@djGreenALERT]

@@TheQuestforGroove Thank you ever so much.. I shall be heading there in about an hour.. I think I might have done it correctly now, but it never hurts to double check...I have to say yet again though at how impressed I am at that video up there..

[@임채령-x8c]

how to integrate it logic and Bigsur please???

[@rman2x16]

what do you think of ableton push 2's pads?

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Yeah great pads! It's a bit expensive if you'd just use it for the pads but if you have some other use for it and want to integrate it into your ableton workflow I think you'll be happy with it.

[@demyllebart]

Is it possible to use Logic Pro X 10.5 with Launchpad X for finger drumming?

[@TheQuestforGroove]

The launchpad just functions as any regular midi controller so if you plug it into your computer it can be used with any daw. Not just ableton! With an app called novation components you can change the notes of the pads so it does exactly what you want.

[@Wildenfree]

@@TheQuestforGroove Following up with this, do you have any experience with Logic Pro X's Drum Machine Designer? I wanted to use this instrument plugin to setup the finger drumming layout you have here, but it only allows for up to 48 pads on first look. Any advice on how to best utilize Novation Components with Logic's DMD to get this Ultimate Pad Layout?

[@TheQuestforGroove]

I'm sorry, but I never used DMD so couldn't help you at this time. There might be someone over on the questforgroove.discourse.group message boards maybe? I know there are many logic users amongst my students. Again, real sorry. For logic and ableton I'm pretty useless at the moment.

[@Wildenfree]

@@TheQuestforGroove No worries! Thank you for the resource & the quick reply 🙏🏾💯 I’ll check out the discourse group when I have a moment!

[@CAMLaunchpadder]

Can you suggest some amazing drums sample pack ?

[@TheQuestforGroove]

I can recommend Addictive Drums 2 (custom starter pack) with the Fairfax 1, Black Oyster and Funk kits. I can also recommend Steven Slate Drums 5 FREE edition because its, well, free :-)

[@JokinSukunza]

I have been following your channel for a short time but it has me hooked. Great job!! In the end, I bought the Launchpad X, to start step by step. A question, do you have any preset with this distribution for the launchpad to insert it into 'Novation Components'? (8x8 with all drum instruments) Thank you!!!!

[@TheQuestforGroove]

I have this preset for drum rolls: questforgroove.com/drum-rolls-for-finger-drummers/ This one I just have as step by step instructions at the moment. It's probably better to set it up like that and tweak it a bit to make it suit your needs. Updated version of this layout (in picture form) can be found over here: questforgroove.com/the-best-8x8-pad-layout-for-finger-drumming/

[@SolHuebner]

We are also working on presets in the forum questforgroove.discourse.group/t/translating-videos-to-64-pad-tree-layout/169/11?u=robert_mathijs

[@gbkiller007]

Just watched your video Robert after breafast and ordered it prime. Be here tonight lol. I could throttle you. You keep making me spend money.... Start saying the MPCs are crap please. Keep well

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Hahaha, sorry man! :-)

[@datz1g]

You should do a Launchkey Mini mk3 finger drumming tamplate/layout 🙂

[@TheQuestforGroove]

I have a launchkey mini mk3 video on this channel with a suggested layout in the desctiption of that video!

[@UtkarshTiwari-es2th]

Can we use sample sounds of drums to play these things?

[@TheQuestforGroove]

I recommend using Addictive Drums 2 and then controlling that with the Launchpad. Works grea

[@UtkarshTiwari-es2th]

@@TheQuestforGroove ah okay so can I actually play addictive drums and at the same time use some samples?

[@ayyappanmusic]

trying this out on my ableton push asap

[@TheQuestforGroove]

It should work for sure. Also check out the blog post I link to for one more setup that I came up with after recording this video.

[@marekstora]

Thanks for that video. Great suggestions :)

[@TheQuestforGroove]

You're welcome. Feel free to post requests!

[@marekstora]

@@TheQuestforGroove gotta dig into finger drumming some more first, but sure, thanks :)

[@poltad]

This is great. Which is the “Soft Snare” in Addictive Drums?

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Hey, youtube hid some comments from me, so sorry for the late response: The soft snare is simply hitting the pads softly. Addictive drums has multiple velocity layers!

[@fattigmanskultur]

Hi, Great video and well thought layout. Would you say the X is your preferred drum pads? Thanks

[@TheQuestforGroove]

No it's not. I like the device and it's the first 8x8 device that makes me want to use it so that's a great compliment. But with that said, 4x4 pads is more than enough for playing 90% of the beats I play so I'm not 'switching'. Its more like im happy to have a new toy and I will use it when I feel like I need a lot of sounds in 1 song.

[@martineast1220]

Is this possible on a launchpad mink mk3?

[@TheQuestforGroove]

No not really because the mini does not have velocity sensitive pads.

[@reset_rt]

This layout looks great! Would love it if you can release a drum rack with this so I can get a feel for it right away? :)

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Well, that's difficult because different drum racks need different presets. So it really depends on what people are using!

[@reset_rt]

@@TheQuestforGroove that's true, but even just the basic layout with the sounds you have in the video would be more than enough to get jump started :) the layout definitely looks comfy to play, big ups to you

[@TheQuestforGroove]

@@reset_rt Ah ok. Well, the sounds you hear are not basic samples. It's a software drumkit from addictive drums 2. Specifically the black oyster kit. You need the software to get the sound you hear. The software will play a different sample based on how soft or loud you hit the pad and will also use round robin samples. So two hits with the same velocity will play two different, but very similar samples. That's what makes the drums sound real. And with that said... I cannot distribute the individual drum sounds. That's the only thing that's "illegal" in the terms of service of addictive drums. :-) I have a tip though: black Friday is coming up and usually addictive drums will be 50% off then. So for around $70 you can have all the sounds and much more!

[@reset_rt]

@@TheQuestforGroove ah gotcha, makes total sense :) thank you!!

[@theoheha]

How did you set open close hihat so it would sounds "realistic"?

[@TheQuestforGroove]

In my drum software (Addictive Drums 2) this is automatically done. So if you hit a closed hi hat when the open hi hat is still sounding, it will stop. You can optionally set a cc knob to open the hi hat wider or narrower, but in practice I hardly use this... sometimes I edit that in later if I want the open hi hat to have a different sound.

[@theoheha]

@@TheQuestforGroove ohh that make sense now, thank you!

[@Yo_whatupwithyou]

Great and helpful tutorial as always! You rock!

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Thanks man, that means a lot!

[@bramhastra1538]

Hey love your videos! Considering both are priced similar Would you prefer the Launchpad X over the Maschine mikro mk3 or the other way round playing wise ? I'm looking to get a pad controller and the maschine software doesn't really matter since I'll use it in midi mode anyway! Thanks!

[@TheQuestforGroove]

I think the launchpad x is the best value for money right now. I think the maschine mikro will be a more simple start into fingerdrumming because of the 4x4 bigger pads. But the launchpad x is just overall top notch quality if you ca ln deal with the small pads.

[@bramhastra1538]

@@TheQuestforGroove thanks a lot. I'll go for the launchpad then!

[@victormedrano2316]

Hi there, one question, do you know if the Components app is only exclusive to work and programing with Ableton Live or for example you can assign midi channels previously mapped by your own there in Components and then send it to another DAW like Studio One 4? Thanks in advance and congrats for your atention and dedication

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Components just works for setting up notes and cc controllers on the launchpad and use it as a midi controller. I personally don't use ableton but I can set up all kinds of stuff inside components and then use that in my cubase daw.

[@victormedrano2316]

@@TheQuestforGroove Excellent, thanks for the quick answer, saludos desde Mexico!

[@AsakuraTetsuoFolco]

Looks nice how about a few covers with this machine?

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Yeah good idea! I'm doing less covers because some of them got taken down all of a sudden. Like vampire weekend :-( then it's not worth the trouble. But I'll look into a good one soon!

[@AsakuraTetsuoFolco]

@@TheQuestforGroove Or if you have some friends play something with them.

[@jegl1012]

Great video man!

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Thanks! Working on more!

[@mrhats830]

What’s the samples that you used called?

[@TheQuestforGroove]

I use Addictive Drums for basically everything! Fairfax 1, Black Oyster and Funk kits mostly.

[@dasczwo]

can I replicate your layout with the push 1?

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Yeah for sure! All 8x8 controllers are fine.

[@scribblygumsartist]

Thanks Rob. As always top quality info. I think I will be getting one of these. 😎👍

[@TheQuestforGroove]

They sure are a lot of fun!

[@adiran4777]

Did you have the opportunity to try the Launchpad Mini Mk3 as well ? How is it for finger drumming ? (aside from the lack of velocity)

[@TheQuestforGroove]

The mini is good for what it is but I cannot play it the way i want to precisely because of the lack of velocity. Also the buttons are more clicky. So you really press them and then they click instead of the pads where you just hit. So I wouldn't recommend the mini for finger drumming. But as a tool for producing on the fly or something it might be handy!

[@pascaldeshayes5459]

Have you tested the Behringer CMD Touch TC64 for finger drumming, by any chance?

[@TheQuestforGroove]

No I haven't yet. Did you play it?

[@pascaldeshayes5459]

@@TheQuestforGroove nope, but I'll report if I do.

[@Darqion]

Hello fellow dutchy, I am looking into starting with some finger drumming.. So looking to buy a controller. I had seen on your website that you dont really suggest an 8x8 like this for complete beginners because of the pad size.. Is this still what you feel to be the case? The launchpad X is very affordable at 180 euro or there abouts.. Also looked at the Maschine Mikro mk3 which was one of your main suggestions, but part of me feels like.. i can do more on the launch pad (more pads.. hehe) and the maschine mikro is 50 euro more expensive from the looks of it. I do still need an audio interface aswell, so maybe that would be the deciding factor... But im just unsure as to what to do :/

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Hey sorry for the late reply. You can get an 8x8 like the launchpad and just set it up in a simple way not using all the pads. That way the only thing you have to deal with is smaller pads. Yes thats more difficult but you can learn to work with them for sure.

[@Darqion]

@@TheQuestforGroove Thanks for the reply. it's an older video so i wasnt expecting an answer :P I've seen you do your thing on the launchpads so.. im going to pull the trigger on one (might go with a pro, because i do intend to use ableton soon).. Just realised black friday deals might be a thing, so i guess i`ll wait a few weeks and see how that pans out. Thanks again and keep it up =)

[@DBendo888]

Awesome stuff man your videos are great! I just bought the launchpad pro mk3 and I use logic pro as a DAW. Any recommendations for the easiest way to map the notes? I am currently building out a template in components and changing the note/octave for each drum but its a pain in the ass since it's different for everything.

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Hey, the way you did is is how I did it too. The only thing you can do is to drag in 4 drum grids and then just change the starting note of each grid, making shure the notes are 16 semitones apart so none of them overlap. That's a lot quicker. You cannot change the color of each note then though.

[@DBendo888]

@@TheQuestforGroove thanks for the quick reply you are the man! For clarity, what would you assign each starting note to ensure the pads are 16 semitones apart? If I did C0-C3 I would still be overlapping no?

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Yeah I'm not 100% sure but with those drum grids it basically starts on the note you assign it to and then it goes up in semitones through all 16 pads. So you want grid number 1 to be C0 for example and then grid number 2 should not start until 16 semitones later otherwise there's still overlap.

[@DBendo888]

@@TheQuestforGroove thanks again man we appreciate you big time.

[@DBendo888]

@@TheQuestforGroovetook your advice and it worked really well for the sake of having a prebaked template utilizing each pad. Also I’m finding the learn function within logic’s plugins to be helpful at the plug-in level. Your most recent drum template works great for me though love it!

[@TDC10000]

Awesome, thank you!

[@TheQuestforGroove]

I've already designed another variation :-) the ones I lay out in this video are very nice, but I suspect I'm gonna do a follow up with some more suggestions after I messed around with it some more!

[@ShaneNull]

This reminds me of my dactyl keyboard lol also can you share the audio for this kit if possible or if anyone's sampled it from this video

[@TheQuestforGroove]

The kit is a mix of the funk and black oyster kits from addictive drums 2. It's unfortunately not allowed to share the separate samples since that is what they sell. Otherwise i would have gladly shared.

[@prathamnaik9769]

I am sharing your video to my friends 🔥🔥

[@TheQuestforGroove]

That's so nice of you. I thanks for the support!

[@prathamnaik9769]

@@TheQuestforGroove You doing nice work

[@aptudo]

Great advice, as always. Novation has really delivered. I'm guessing you'd say that a Maschine Mikro MK3 probably still makes sense for a budget-minded, no-DAW beginner who wants a great feel and needs to be able to customize the MIDI notes that the pads trigger?

[@aptudo]

BTW, I have a Linnstrument already for playing my synths. I also sometimes wonder if it would be worth trying to learn your finger drumming techniques on that.

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Linnstrument is not the best for fingerdrumming. I tried a lot and it's always a relief to go back to maschine :-) The advice about mikro vs this thing gets more complicated because the pads of the launchpad x are very good. Maybe even a little better than mikro mk3. And on top of that, you have custom modes now so on launchpad x you can also change the notes! All I can say is that drumming in 8x8 is not something I would do all the time. 4x4 is more than enough to play a great groove and it's less confusing. 64 small pads are a recipe for accidentally hitting the pad next to the one you want to hit. For beginners learning how to do finger drumming definitely get 4x4. Starting with 8x8 is like foing to the gym for the first time and lifting 300 pounds.

[@aptudo]

The Quest for Groove thanks very much for taking the time to share your in depth thoughts. So what you’re saying is that Novation needs to take what they learned about feel from the X and enter the 4 x 4 drum controller market! ;-) Meanwhile there’s a priced-to-sell, used, mikro mk3 beckoning me at Guitar Center, lol

[@TheQuestforGroove]

@@aptudo a good mikro mk3 is always a great buy. Make sure you get the license key for the software though! Without it it's hard or even impossible to get the device working! I think at this point a lot of people will be better of with a launchpad x simply because they have good use for the pads in their production workflow. A lot of other people will never need 64 pads. I'm personally very happy that we ow have multiple good options to choose between instead of the situation only 1 year ago where it was: "pay 600 bucks and otherwise you're screwed at least a little bit"

[@aptudo]

The Quest for Groove Indeed! I’m glad you mentioned the software, which the used model does not include. I had been under the impression (mistakenly?) that the free controller editor download was all I would need.

[@annaa7069]

Hi!! You have such a great channel :) I was wondering what velocity settings do you use when using the Launchpad X?

[@TheQuestforGroove]

I mostly use the "medium" setting, but I also tested one where I had to use the more sensitive setting. There seems to be a difference between individual devices. Check out this video where I talk about that: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iGmYk6SIo7CJo8k

[@annaa7069]

@@TheQuestforGroove I already watched that one :-D I adjusted the settings and I think I will have to play around more to figure out what works and what doesn't on mine because it seems a little off right now. Do you have other recommendations updated for drum pads you'd buy now? I like my Launchpad for controlling Ableton but think I want to buy a different drum pad soon. Thank you sooo much :)

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Maschine mikro mk3 (4x4) and Launchpad pro mk3 for an 8x8. Best value for money at this point!

[@annaa7069]

@@TheQuestforGroove Thanks sooo much :)

[@djamando1503]

Nice work bro please how can i get this drums kits

[@TheQuestforGroove]

The drum kits are Addictive drums 2. They might still have a nice black friday sale going on! As a starter I would get the AD2 custom pack and select 3 kits. The one you're hearing is black oyster. Other nice ones are Fairfax 1 and funk.

[@emiOTomo]

Thank you for nice video! Is Launchpad X sensitivity better than Presonus ATOM? ATOM is good for slow phrases, but sometimes it doesn't respond to fast fills and I'm tired of it. I'm interested in Launchpad X

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Yeah launchpad X is better. My maschine mk3 is 3 years old, so it deteriorated a bit since I play it a lot and the launchpad x is better than the maschine at this point!

[@emiOTomo]

@@TheQuestforGroove Thank you very much! It's better than machine? Wow! I'm going to buy launchpad X!

[@TheQuestforGroove]

@@emiOTomo I think it's more or less the same but when your maschine is old like mine it gets less sensitive.

[@skombe9318]

Cool, this is super close to the layout I’ve been using on the Push 1 😄 I wonder if the square shaped pads would be better for finger drumming than the ones on push 🤔

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Yeah, I personally think the square pads are an improvement in ergonomics for sure!

[@bjrnbrynemo9059]

Can this be done with Launchpad Pro?

[@TheQuestforGroove]

The new launchpad pro yes. The mk3. The older one no...

[@emmanuelcambier4578]

Hi Rob, Thanks for all the wonderful content on your channe !! just a short question: How many different layout is it possible to store for the Lauchpad X, be it on the device or thru software ? Regards, Emmanuel

[@TheQuestforGroove]

4 layouts on the device and you can save any layout you make as a file on tour computer and then load it onto the launchpad. But 4 on the device itself. Mind you, the launchpad has some double mk note triggering but I found it only happens when using hits that swipe across the pads a bit. So moeller technique will trigger this problem. Basic beats will not. Or at least they do not occur when I play basic beats.

[@emmanuelcambier4578]

Thank you Rob for the detailed answer... you rock !!

[@josephlandman1402]

You have a video where you route all of this in ableton? Thanks :)

[@TheQuestforGroove]

No I don't use Ableton actually and still don't really know how it works. It seems to be a little more confusing than it has to be with its drum rack stuff.

[@josephlandman1402]

@@TheQuestforGroove Thanks for replying! And what DAW are you using?

[@josephlandman1402]

@@TheQuestforGroove You were using Reaper or battery? Thanks :)

[@TheQuestforGroove]

I'm using Reaper and Addictive Drums 2 s the drum simulator plugin!

[@josephlandman1402]

@@TheQuestforGroove Do you a video or a course where you teach how to route (Reaper) the launpach pads like you do in your videos?

[@oxyehho]

@The Quest for Groove Hi and thank you for your videos! I recently recieved my lauchpad X and i find your videos very helpful!:) can you please give me advice at what levels of Velocity and Polyphonic settings do you recommend to use it? Can't decide it myself because I have no experience and constantly catching "double hits" at kick samples.. any info would be helpful!;)

[@TheQuestforGroove]

I think because the pads are so small it's easy to accidentally hit them. And because they're so sensitive you have to be very accurate in how and where you got the pads. My first tip would be to set up a very simple layout and not use all the pads. That way you can color outside the lines a bit. :-) I think the most sensitive setting is the best actually! Gives you the most control and it's just a matter of practicing to be able to accurately harness that power.

[@TheQuestforGroove]

By the way, for drumming I would turn aftertouch off. Just use the pads for hitting, not pressing.

[@oxyehho]

@@TheQuestforGroove thank you! The most sensitive setting is the 3rd one (right side)? Will definitely try Your layout on monday when I'll get to my PC:)

[@oxyehho]

@@TheQuestforGroove the main problem is not in me hitting a wrong pad here, for example in drum rack with 808 kit in it the bottom left pad is kick and it sometimes feels like it hits as an echo when pressed. And it is at 85bpm which is a plain easy beat..

[@TheQuestforGroove]

@@oxyehho there might be some double note triggering going on from within the pad. What it might be is that your samples trigger at full velocity even when the pads trigger super softly. I play using the full velocity range so very soft double triggers are almost ik inaudible and therefore less bothersome. I haven't checked how to change the velocity of the device because I personally thought it was perfect :-) I'll see when I get home!

[@ricardolima4570]

Hello my name is Ricardo and I live in the city of Caetité, State of Bahia in Brazil, lately I am researching many videos on fingerdrum both on pad controllers and on keyboards. Congratulations on your channel, yeah. It is very important to share your technique and knowledge in this modality. What is the best layout to obtain realism in pad controllers, especially in hi-hat, so that it does not sound artificial, do not demonstrate that it is virtual?

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Hey! Check out this article that I wrote. It should answer all these questions questforgroove.com/basic-finger-drumming-technique-pad-layout/