What pad controller to buy for finger drumming: The long story

[@TheQuestforGroove]

►► Learn all the basics of Finger Drumming for FREE on → questforgroove.com My gear recommendations blog post that I keep up to date:→ questforgroove.com/gear-recommendations/ Timelinks: 0:00 Intro 1:05 Maschine mikro mk3 4:31 Nektar Aura 5:26 Launchpad pro mk3 (when to buy an 8x8) 7:27 Launchpad X (and the problem of varying quality between devices) 11:42 Presonus Atom (Start of the budget options section) 13:34 MPD218 (A complex story but maybe worth a try) 17:40 Novation Launchkey mini mk3 (An all in one) 18:45 Even cheaper devices (that I did not test again) 19:25 Second hand options 20:26 New technologies (Sensel Morph, Linnstrument, iPad drumming) 23:13 Expensive stuff (Maschine mk3, Maschine +, MPC Live) 25:29 Conclusion

[@KamikoAi]

I bought Maschine mikro mk3 on your advices and I'm very happy. Don't let people get you down, you make a great job 😊

[@AlanHAGOSHaggarty]

I've been using a Launchpad X for 6 months now and it's great! Good sensitivity, no retriggering.

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Great to hear!

[@DaSesh]

Sold I'm getting a launchpad x or pro now thanks

[@AlanHAGOSHaggarty]

@@DaSesh 10 months now, still loving it. I hope you get a good one!

[@gfm1496]

FYI on the Launchkey Mini MK3: Though I would prefer a 4x4 setup I decided to go with this for now. I don’t necessarily use the pads for finger drumming the way you do exactly (though there are some similarities). I’m also a drummer and needed something to add drums to my compositions that may or may not get replaced with live kit playing, rather than finger drumming as an instrument in itself- if that makes sense. Anyway, it’s very friendly with Logic, and a breeze to use - but the one added plus that is under the radar with this is that the keybed can be used in conjunction with the assignable pads if you chose the bank for the notes using bass drums, snares, toms and cymbals. This introduces more options and a different playing technique using the pads and keys together. It works surprisingly well! That little thing is great work horse - I can even use the pitch and modulation strips in conjunction with my electric midi Yamaha piano that doesn’t have either of those option with zero setup.

[@namenaim1560]

Note ,to operate Maschine you now in 2023, need MacOS 11 or above to activate NI ACCESS. My 2013 macbk pro cant be updated to os 11.

[@rayderrich]

I got me a Novation Launchpad Pro Mk3 this year and it boosted my creativity and workflow. Then I found a Maschine Mk2 for a decent price (with software) and notice the pads are great for drums. So using these two in tandem seems like a golden combo for me as I also often play chords and melodies. Thank you for comparing the options.

[@fivebyfivesound]

Extremely helpful as I decide the best personal choice. I appreciate the nuance, thoroughness and transparency of your explanations. Thank you 🙏🏽

[@SamuelAging]

I bought a Launchpad X based on your (previous) recommendation and it has worked fine for me. Just giving you more data! I understand the quality is spotty. I just got lucky!

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Thanks for sharing! Good to get some positive feedback for the Launchpad X. I honestly think Novation is rocking the pad controller space right now and they might actually have improved their LP X units after a short time of churning out a couple of lesser ones. Or they simply fixed most issues with a firmware update. I sure hope so.

[@jorgecds]

Yes me too and I think those pads are the best I ever touched. Take it from somebody that owns Push2, MPC Live/One, MPD218 and other cheap devices.

[@MS7.7]

@@jorgecds better than the MPC 😵 ? In term of feel, responsiveness, size? Which aspect?

[@jorgecds]

@@MS7.7 responsiveness and feel (sensitivity)

[@Marcos-wd2yt]

yo thank you for posting man, your videos have been a light in the dark for me on this topic - i was sceptical but your content has been helpful - keep doing your thing man

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Thank you, I will!

[@Crash3rman]

Watching your video as an engineer (hw & sw) and your description of the differences between devices, even of the same type, triggered quite some bells in my head. Very, very good feedback and method of evaluating devices. As a company I’d hire you as a product tester. 👍

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Haha thank you, I'd be willing to make time to do something like this for a company serious about building the best and most responsive pads. It does not seem to be the most important thing driving sales unfortunately.

[@szabolcskolcsey1563]

Hey Rob, I found your channel a few weeks ago and man I gotta tell you, it's one of the most informative channel on the topic I've found so far. Right now I'm waiting for my Presonus Atom to arrive and when I get my hands on it (literally), I'm gonna start with your tutorials immediately! I'm definitely going to subscribe on your page for deep dive lessons in the future! Thanks for making quality videos for the community! Keep up the good work, man!

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Hey Szabolcs, thank you so much for this, it really means a lot! Finger drumming the way I like to do it (with 'real' drums) is a very small niche and it's comments like these that keep me going! Thanks!

[@JakeSweeper]

I had an MPD218, had some weird triggering with two pads on MPC Beats, exchanged it for a new one, discovered the settings had two pads set to the same note for some reason, reset all the pads on all three banks in the editor (that akai hides for some stupid reason), then do a new mapping for MPC Beats because the the factory settings suck. Once I did that, the 218 runs like a champ, now.

[@badboyv2344]

How to do that any video on it? Please help

[@LucasMessore]

Hey, thanks for the video. Surprised that there's not many detailed comparisons like this for finger drumming on KZbin. I've also bought and sold a scary amount of drum pad devices, but not even close to as many as you. I had a Pioneer Toraiz, the 1st rev Maschine Studio, multiple Akai including the MPC Retro, and currently Ableton Push 3. I'm surprised but not surprised that the higher end Akai stuff isn't mentioned - I thought that people liked the pad feel of those. But tbh the akai ecosystem was really confusing and slow coming from a daw background. I currently use an Ableton Push 3 but to be honest I'm not a huge fan. It integrates well with Ableton as a "midi keyboard controller alternative" for playing instruments. but for finger drumming the pads are too small an don't feel quite right. I also get some weird ghost triggering which makes midi editing more complicated than just using a keyboard. AND it has no support as a standard MIDI device for other DAWs which is a dealbreaker. I might take up your rec and grab one of the Maschine MK3 but NI is so cringey to support these days. My original gripe with Maschine was who needs ANOTHER daw running in your daw? Don't understand why everyone needs to reinvent the wheel. Pro Tools/Ableton/etc. already amazing at recording & sequencing. We just need a pad controller that feels great and can load up samples quickly and efficiently edit layouts, and recall every project. I'm surprised there are there not any boutique, high end manufacturers with better quality pads?

[@brucegregori]

So will the maschine micro intergrate with superior drummer? I am look for a controller that I can trigger SD3. My DAW is PT12. Thanks

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Yeah, no problem. You can just switch it into midi mode and then it's like a midi keyboard.

[@brucegregori]

@@TheQuestforGroove Cool thanks

[@phoenixflyz_]

This was excellent. Thank you. Went with the first mid tier device. Mikro mk3

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Great! Make sure to test out every pad. It should respond as well as I say, and if not you quickly return it and get another one! Chance of getting a dud is small but it's not 0%. I personally only had good ones (owned 4 of them in total)

[@phoenixflyz_]

@@TheQuestforGroove I'm actually going to rewatch your video when it arrives tomorrow and do that period thank you! Question why have you owned four? Lol

[@TheQuestforGroove]

@@phoenixflyz_ Because it's my main recommendation I buy one sometimes to see if they still make em like they used to 😀But full disclosure, I returned the first one I bought, then bought another later on when midi standalone mode was introduced and I gave away one as a gift, so I now own two!

[@phoenixflyz_]

@@TheQuestforGroove that's righteous

[@emanuelsv]

And of course the Ableton Push 2 for the Ableton users out there :) Although, like you said about the Maschine, only get a Push if you're going to be using the screen and take advantage of the great integration with Ableton. The thing I've loved the most about it is the seamless workflow, the great pads are just a bonus for me.

[@zublits]

I've owned a few controllers and the Push2 has by far the best pads I've ever played on. They are small, but you get used to it pretty quickly. It beats any MPC I've ever used.

[@cs7160]

What's the latency like? I owned a push 2 and it was too slow, though in retrospect it was probably my laptop. I have a new pc setup so thinking I may find one second hand and give it another try.

[@emanuelsv]

@@cs7160 I've personally not had any latency issues at all

[@zublits]

@@cs7160The latency isn't perceptible to me. It was probably your setup.

[@phoenixflyz_]

Great news! I bought the maschine mikro mk3. It's everything you emphasized in the video and more. Your video was convincing enough for me NOT to buy the newer and less expensive Atom SQ from Presonus, even though I have Studio One 5, and a Faderport 16. I am completely confident in this purchase, and now my abilities to produce wonderful music for world to enjoy, for generations to come!! Thank you.

[@TheQuestforGroove]

This makes my day, thank you for letting me know!

[@cyb]

I returned my presonus because the pads wasnt good

[@brucegregori]

Does the maschine micro play better with Protools? The launchapd doesn't seem to trigger superior inside the DAW. Any ideas?

[@TheQuestforGroove]

It's basically like this: If you can use a regular midi keyboard with it, you can use a Maschine mikro mk3 (in midi mode) or a Launchpadvmk3 (earlier models are no good). They're both midi controllers and it doesnt matter if they have pads or keyboard keys. So if your launchpad (mk3) does not seem to work there's a configuration issue but not a hardware issue.

[@brucegregori]

@@TheQuestforGroove thanks very much. I got the LP X from Amazon although it was built in 2018. So maybe it is the issue. I have a Novato on keyboard which works perfectly so I am not sure why it doesn’t play with PT. I ordered the MK3 anyway to see what the issue is. For some reason protools does not want to recognize the device even though it sees it under midi controllers and I configured it. The true test is when I get the MK3. Thanks.

[@nunyabidness93]

It's been awhile since you posted this video. I've been subscribed to QFG for a few months after purchasing my M+ and I have to say I like your "If you have a reason" mentality. The M+ is not only offering a solution for not having a drummer at my beck and call 24/7 but it's replacing my live looping rig as well. It's not quite the same as controlling VST but I must admit my drumkit samples that I made for standalone mode work surprisingly well. Now I'm thinking about adding a launchpad pro for additional pads to send midi messages to my M+ to trigger more samples, or create more choke groups for muting simples.. doubling up on my toms for easier fills. That sounds like it'd be off the chain.

[@KupiBass]

I am getting a maschine mikro mk 3. My device got to me and was damaged. I bought it with delivery from another city. When I got the controller, I had limited time to test it. There were ghost trigger buttons on it! I found out about it only after 2 hours, testing the pads. I could not return the device because I bought it not in the official store, but on the secondary market. I disassembled my device and cleaned the touchpad. After that, the false positives disappeared, but one panel began to stick. I disassembled the device, cleaned the panel again. After that, the false positives and sticking disappeared. But when I disassembled the device for the second time, I accidentally tore the wire from the screen. :D Now the screen is not working. But the pads are working fine now. My best drumming experience was with the Launchpad X controller. But I also like the car. I think they're about on the same level. But I didn't have such problems with the launchpad x, it worked fine.

[@wuuukie]

Could you do a tutorial on jackin' house/d'n'b drums? Its quite challenging to play those triplets in hihats and maybe some variation techniques?

[@TheQuestforGroove]

I'll put it on the list!

[@wuuukie]

@@TheQuestforGroove wow, cool!

[@cs7160]

I don't know about jackin house but check out a guy on KZbin called spinscott for dnb finger drum. He's absolutely nuts.

[@TheConsideredMan]

Hi, have you done a video which shows how to set up a Novation Launchpad Pro Mk 3 with Ableton Live 11 please? Thanks from the UK.

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Hey I'm not an Ableton user so I don't really know the details on how to set things up over there. But I do have a topic on the messageboards of someone who set it up using drum rack. Plus presets: questforgroove.discourse.group/t/ableton-drum-effects-rack-for-finger-drumming/182

[@laserjakk3629]

Hi, I have 2 questions. 1- Will Maschine work as Midi controller inside DAW if I buy it second hand without License Software. 2 - if I buy a brand new Maschine with the software, can I use all those functions like (Key, Pad, Chord, Note Repeat) using it in Midi Mode, controlling 3thpart VSTs as Omnisphere, Serum, ADDICTIVE DRUMS, etc. Cuz, honestly I'm long time Cubase user/prosucer and I'm not planing to use Maschine Software. I could go for Akai MPD226 but I already got one, PAD quality is garbage and quality got worse over the last years. I'm trying to decide my buy.

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Hey! - In my experience you will need to install Maschine software and activate it before the hardware works properly. After activation you can not use the software at all but they do seem to lock the hardware unfortunately. - All the buttons and knobs in MIDI mode will be midi notes or CC modifiers. If you can set your software to work with those midi inputs and or CC knobs and sliders, you can control all kinds of things with it. But there has to be compatibility with midi control surfaces inside the software you want to control.

[@jeremytee2919]

I use launch pad. I do a mirrored left right map And play it diagonally I like having lots of articulations for snare and have some hits on multiple pads next to each other, to make 32nds,and up,easier. I also use an mpd218 and 226, in tandem right/left for electronic beats. My mpd218 is really old and has no issues. The 226 is a little stiff Which is why I don’t use it with my acoustic samples.

[@SHLDMusic]

Thanks for your review! I have both a launchpad pro mk3 and a LaunchPadX (that just got replaced). After only 3 months the LaunchpadX became much less sensitive, and Novation support said the pro and the x should have the same sensitivity. So I got a new one. My new LaunchpadX is not as sensitive as my pro mk3 but it's still very good. I hope that it will not break after 3 months... Anyway the lp pro mk3 is awesome!

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Thanks for sharing!

[@Juliano_DJOL]

Question 4 u, I have a MPK249 and I really like it cause it's been the best keys/pads combo I've owned but sometimes the pads double trigger and sometimes you can't even tell sometimes until you move the midi note on top in the piano roll. I've played w the velocity sense and thershold alot and can't get it to completely go away...any ideas? I use threshold 7/10, sense 8 or 9/10, velocity curve = a log 2 or exp 2 or even the linear curve. The keys do a opposite thing where it will miss a note here or there, it's weird cause the midi still goes thru to the cpu but the note doesn't play. The lowest C does it alot!

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Ah yes, a keyboard combo! I have not really checked those out because it amounts to opening a whole new can of worms :-) Sop in all honesty I don't know anything specific. You can try and check out the akai mpd218 breakdown video and maybe see if you can loosen some of the screws on the pad circuit board or something?

[@muaddib667]

Loving my lpp mk3 but I'm not really a finger drummer, I use the sequencer a hell of a lot but also use the custom modes to control my gt1000 and other midi devices and it is fantastic. However it may be overkill if you just want to drum and the bottom row might get in the way.

[@Primeaumedias]

I love my Maschine Mikro MK3. Really sensitive and easy to play.

[@musicmann1967]

Thank you so much for this video! I have had an Akai MPD218 for over well a year and have barely touched it because I hate the way it feels/responds. I must have read ALL the wrong articles and reviews because I was under the impression that it was a very good unit so I bought one. It good to see that I am far from being alone being displeased. (I'm really just happy that I'm not totally crazy!) I have programmed a lot of drums parts over the years but it's been a while. I was looking for a new unit as a re-entry to programming drums for my newer songs. I was so turned off by the Akai that I never got anything done in all this time. I'm looking forward to the Maschine MKIII and getting down to making some music again!

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Great to read this Larry! It's frustrating to me how in most cases pad response gets overlooked by reviewers. That's the reason I started making these gear videos even though I'm not a huge gear head myself :-)

[@neilwright729]

Really helpful and useful video for those of us who don't want to order everything and try it out ourselves. You really helped me make a choice of what to try first! Thank you so much!

[@anselmoreal]

I just found a maschine mk2 for 66$ it works fine, do you still recommend older devices ?

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Maschine mk2 is definitely not a bad device. MPCstuff.com also sells pad sensor sheets for the older models so even if it's a bit worn out you could 'fix' it and get a sweet deal!

[@omagro8267]

Native also now sells the software as a stand-alone. Hmu if you need the link as its kinda hidden.

[@joserivera1054]

@@omagro8267 post link

[@scribblygumsartist]

The pad part of these devices deserves to be treated as an instrument in its own right by manufacturers. Maybe if Rob's finger drumming style catches on with a big enough audience we can ask the manufacturers to give us the instrument we really want and need.

[@mechasartre3694]

Been hoping and praying since I discovered David Haynes and Jeremy Ellis way back in 2010 aha

[@MusicTechPrototypes]

I have made an effort towards the goal you mention.

[@scribblygumsartist]

@@MusicTechPrototypes Awesome. Nice prototype! Interesting damped pad arrangement there. How are you detecting the hits? I was trying this with piezos :)

[@MusicTechPrototypes]

​@@scribblygumsartist Thank you Stuart! I am currently practicing playing and improvising on it, and I will be uploading some less technical and more musical videos. According to the interest it gains I will decide whether to share the details of the design or manufacture it and sell it. I hope you forgive me for not currently answering your question!

[@TheQuestforGroove]

This looks amazing! Let me know if you need help testing things out (with discretion)

[@WycliffStudios]

Please add more B roll to the video. Would love to see performance of the product when you’re talking about it

[@TheQuestforGroove]

I understand where you're coming from. I haven't really figured out how to do this effectively since the sounds are generated by software. So you won't really hear or see a big difference between devices. A firm tap vs a soft tap is almost invisible on camera. The best way is to play and feel how the devices respond so I just stuck with doing that and reporting back to all of you.

[@omagro8267]

You can now buy the standalone maschine software for 60 bucks! Wont come with the 1.6 gb of sounds that come with a new one but you will be able to get the software. Something I wish was available years ago.

[@KandMe1]

Well I have an FGPD 30 and an older launchpad mini, plus a newer mini mk3, and a launch control so. Also a few flakey 37+49 with the 16 pads. Right now looking into getting a 61 key but thinking of launchkey this time but the 49 key is enough for now. Having an extra octave would be good, also found some midi plugins and one of then can be used for splitting any midi keyboard (not sure if they work for launchpads, probably.) being able to have one instrument on the bass keys and another on the treble is handy. They work with most iPad auv3 apps like AUM. It’s called midi tools suite as I remember and started configuring AUM to map the launchpads and all with them. It has to be possible.

[@cyb]

Hows sensitivity of fgpd vs the other ones you have

[@KandMe1]

@@cyb I came to prefer FGDP rather the others because it has an internal sound card and I can use the head phone jack plug as stereo sound source after mapping as many other play heads in AUM to go out from it directly. And yes absolutely it is great sensitivity-wise. Alongside the internal drum sets and all it is the best in my opinion especially when used as a source of feed with a looper pedal.

[@cyb]

​@KandMe1 thanks with that im now down with the fgdp30 or 50. Im also thinking of using it with ipad similar to how you explained it. Any idea if theres any benefits to getting 50 vs the 30?

[@KandMe1]

@@cyb the 30 does it for me because it forces me to invent a drum and bass live in one pass then play overtop of it in real time using boss rc-1 looper pedal. Forces me to simplify everything. The 50 has 99 memory slots, that would be great but the FGPD30 has no memories so this way have to create something on the spot and extend myself. Same with the looper pedal it has no memory banks to use so have to delete the loop and go onto the next song. It’s much cheaper this way and also forces me to just do it. Probably the more expensive way would not make so much progress or increase skill level so fast. The FGPD50 and RC600 would be cool but this forces creativity.

[@cyb]

@@KandMe1 thanks that makes it easier for me since im leaning for the white one as well due to the limitations as you said.

[@WordupG]

What about a Maschine Micro MKII? Are the pads as good as MKIII? Can it be used in pure midi mode?

[@TheQuestforGroove]

I can't say for sure. It's not for sale anymore, but I heard from some people who have one that they like it. You never know though... there could be both good and bad units out there. Also wear and tear of the pad sensors can play a role in how well it responds.

[@diyflamethrowers4465]

I sprung for a Maschine Plus because of it being a stand-alone. I've played with some DAWs, and they kind of frustrate me. The M+ is serious beast!

[@bachtube11]

Good work, thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience.

[@mykhailolytvyn6890]

There are the new stand-alone finger-drumming instruments Yamaha FGDP-50 and FGDP-30. It would be really helpful to get your opinion about pads quality on these two devices.

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Yeah I ordered them and they'll be coming in this week. So as soon as I tested them out I will publish my findings. I'll keep people up to date on the QFG messageboard as well in this topic: questforgroove.discourse.group/t/yamaha-fgdp-50-and-fgdp-30/1135/9

[@СергейВладимирович-ш2с]

Thank you for video. But what about M-Audio Trigger Finger Pro, BKE Beat Thang or even Casio XW-PD1 ??

[@TheQuestforGroove]

All of those units are no longer in production. I've never played them and I probably never will, so I cannot really say anything about them to help in making a purchase decision. Sorry!

[@Santi-pm9hq]

¿Have you tried new budget stuff lately, what about the Avatar EMP 16 and Synido TempoPAD? They're on the $90 range.

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Hey those are hard to come by where I live. I will look into how I might get my hands on some budget devices next year.

[@Santi-pm9hq]

@TheQuestforGroove Thank you! Same situation for me with the Xjam but I think I find a way to get it this year finally.

[@free2muse]

Great video man. The long story is appreciated, and interesting. I bought a Launchpad X based on your recommendation about a year ago and it has served and continues to serve me well. After seeing this video today, guess I'll thank the tech gods for granting me a good device. :) Again, thanks for the vids.

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Haha, you're like the fifth person saying that today. My guess is the launchpad X is a pretty solid device most of the time and my "ballpark" estimate was a little on the negative side. It still got a bronze medal though! :-)

[@free2muse]

@@TheQuestforGroove haha exactly. It's "medal" quality.

[@nyambe]

Does the NI micro Mk3 work with iPhone/iPad? I guess not.

[@TheQuestforGroove]

No it does not work. It needs MacOS or Windows to even turn on.

[@alex_oiman]

why mikro mk3 and not 1 or 2? is the difference in quality that big?

[@TheQuestforGroove]

I don't test products that are no longer for sale. With the Maschine units specifically you also get problems with software license keys not being transferred etc. Gotta draw the line somewhere.

[@KilanPL]

I bought MPD218 year ago with tought that if fingerdrumming is for me I'm gonna upgrade. Thanks for this video becouse now I know there's no need on my level only if I'm gonna need more sensitive pads gonna switch to machine micro mk3.

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Yes that seems like a wise decision!

[@jasonshrestha]

thanks for this awesome informative recommendation broer!

[@KusanagiMotoko100]

My experience with the MPD218 is that it is really good it has the perfect sensitive for me but overtime started to trigger ghost notes to the point of annoyance, but as the times passes and the more I use it the ghosting faded, I still get some ghost notes from time to time, but I don't want open it up I'm scared of ruining it, as long as the ghosting isn't too annoying I'm fine, but I'll try to improve my device when I have some money.

[@TheQuestforGroove]

That sounds like a smart plan! In my experience opening it up is less scary than it might seem, but I do think it is smart to wait until you have some extra money so you can keep playing no matter what happens.

[@ezequsonidoyproduccionmusi1229]

I have not seen in your videos the test to the Presonus Atom SQ, yes of course, you have done it with the 16 pads. Have you tried it?

[@TheQuestforGroove]

No I haven't had the chance to test the Atom SQ yet. Sorry!

[@crazyFrankyy]

What about Novation circuit tracks or Roland mc-707 ?!

[@TheQuestforGroove]

The Roland I know nothing about but the new circuit tracks if I'm allowed to make an educated guess will have Launchpad X / Launchpad pro type pads which are very nice ofcourse. So if you want to make use of the sampler yeah... circuit tracks seems to be one of the first affordable devices that's nice for that and tht you can probably also use as a decent midi controller for finger drumming! Sorry that I havent gotten around to testing it yet.

[@emiliofigueroa.7478]

bro tell me the true please jajaja between the nektar auruba, the maschine mk3 or the Launchpad X, now, on 2024, wich one you choose? i never had one pad inst, im a composer of different music styles, interested in beatmaking, live looping, Ableton/Windows user. Thanks for all the reviews in your channel!!!

[@TheQuestforGroove]

I am still on Maschine mk3. I like the size and responsiveness of the pads the most. Most important thing about the Maschine devices is they do not work without windows or macOS. So linux machines or connecting them to a synth only or something will not work. The Aruba do seems to have that kind of functionality.

[@adventurebelle6296]

very informative . Thank you!

[@javest]

I'd like to make finger drumming with the quality of Maschine mikro mk3 but dawless/PC-less. What drum-sampler or synth do you suggest to use with Maschine mikro mk3 (under 400$ budget) something multisampled or Roland MC 101? Could i use a simple USB midi host to midi DIN for that purpose? Otherwise a thinked to MPC ONE, but the pads aren't good enough and i don't know how to improve it. Thanks.

[@TheQuestforGroove]

The only standalone device I can recommend is the Yamaha FGDP (30 or 50) to just play by itself. You cannot hook up a Maschine controller to anything besides a Mac or Windows computer. It will not work otherwise.

[@luccacassandra]

I upgraded from an MPK Mini Mk3 to a Nektar Aura based on this video and the difference is night and day. My drum parts have dynamics now!! I also got it for only $250 from Sam Ash on clearance bc I believe they're making room for the rebranded version with the moderately cringe name, Aruba

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Haha, Aruba? Seriously?

[@chaocrator]

to speak about 4x4 controllers - i really like IK Multimedia iRig Pads. works very well at medium/high pad sensitivity settings (but still not that sensitive as my all times favorite - Korg PadKontrol)

[@franciscogs5757]

Welll done! Is the akai mpd218 working with phone or tablet in android??

[@TheQuestforGroove]

It can work but it really depends on the exact phone and operating system.

[@sandornagy4915]

Hi Rob its Sandor.. can you tell me what software you use for the launchpad for finger drumming?

[@TheQuestforGroove]

To set it up you have to use Novation Components. With that software you can create your own layout and stuff like that. And then for sound I use Addictive Drums 2. I recommend the starter kit "custom" and then Fairfax 1, Black Oyster and Funk kits. If you already have some drum software you can also wait for a sale, because usualle Addictive drums gets a sale in Spring, Summer, and around Black Friday with 40% off.

[@donnbialik9085]

Would you consider evaluating samplers/pads on keyboards like Roland FA-08?

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Honestly, no, I don't want to open that can of worms so to speak. The thing is, I only started doing these reviews because I wanted to teach people finger drumming and it was hard to figure out which pad controller to buy. I'm not actually a real gear reviewer if you know what I mean. :-) So bringing in the keyboards would be a huge amount of work that I'd rather spend on making educational content.

[@jeffagoddard]

Based on your recommendation I investigated the Machine Mikro MK3. Beyond just finger drumming the Mikro and the LaunchPad X are quite different. The Mikro is a composition tool, whereas the LaunchPad X is a generic controller with Logic integration. If you commit to the Mikro you’ll use the delivered Maschine and Komplete Kontrol plugins for managing samples, slicing and chopping, arranging samples into scenes, adding instruments and plugins and sequencing. By contrast, using the LaunchPad you’d be using Logic’s sample manger, Quick Sampler for slicing and chopping, Drum Machine Designer for assigning pads and making beats, Live Loops for samples and scenes, and Step Sequencer. I feel they serve two different approaches to similar results.

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Yeah personally I just use the Mikro in midi mode, completely bypassing the Maschine software. I like the controller and it's pads, but for the rest it doesn't work for me a sa creative tool. I just need to be able to play grooves the way I feel them and get those midi notes into my DAW. No looping and sampling etc. :-) The only thorough advice I give about pad controllers is about how they respond when you play them, since that is the only thing I use them for and therefore the only thing I can say anything meaningful about. I usually refer people who need information about other aspects of the devices besides the pads to the QFG messageboards or other music gear reviewers.

[@gfm1496]

To The Quest for Groove can you answer the million dollar question that has been asked all over the internet but no definitive answer yet? Can the pads on the Maschine Mikro be used in Logic to control Logic drums such as the Producers Kits? I know the Maschine software can be added as a plug-in in Logic for the Mikro to trigger, but that’s not what many of us Logic Producer Kit users want. With this, I assume the pads are user assignable note keys (C1, D1, etc)? Many thanks.

[@chilledm.136]

@@TheQuestforGroove I know you said that we are better off sticking with a laptop... But if I wanted to Buy a midi controller for Koala beatmaking would you recomend me the Mikro Mk3?

[@TheQuestforGroove]

@@chilledm.136 The Maschine units I would not recommend because they don't seem to turn on unless an OS is running and at the moment a mobile OS does not seem to make them turn on. Right now I would look into something like the Nektar Aura which seems to remain fully operational even if you don't plug in into a computer. You still might need a powered usb hub for enough power though.

[@chilledm.136]

@@TheQuestforGroove Thanks for replying I really apretiate it. Then Mikro mk3 dismissed for me... Too bad for now :(. But I wanted to asked, between your 2 recomendations: Presonus ATOM and the MPD218. Wich one would you recomend ti me if I'm searching something for gettin better at fingerdrumming and have fun overall playing drums and samples?

[@markkilley2683]

I have the launchpad pro mk3 and the launch key mk3 61

[@maruton_dtm]

I watched this video and bought Nektar Aura!. If I had bought Nektar Aura before watching this video, I would have thought Nektar Aura was a bad device maybe. so, Because the default pad sensitivity was not very good. Yes, I adjusted the pad sensitivity and it became a very good device. Thank you!

[@insurancesailors]

Can Machine micro be used on drum rack of abelton or studio one

[@TheQuestforGroove]

I've seen people do it but it will take some time to configure it correctly.

[@insurancesailors]

@@TheQuestforGroove thanks

[@thomaslthomas1506]

Ahhh caution it comes with age. How does the Mascine mikro work with Logic Pro x ?

[@TheQuestforGroove]

It has midi standalone mode, which basically turns it into a midi keyboard (but with pads instead of piano keys). So you can use it like that in Logic, and in any other DAW for that matter. I got some questions on how to use Logic Drum kit designer with this thing and it basically boils down to configuring the maschine mikro in the controller editor and setting the pads to the correct notes that correspond with the sounds in drum kit designer. If you do that, it should work perfectly.

[@Mega_trav]

Hey there! Have you checked out the Akai pad upgrade kits? I've seen those and was curious how well they work.

[@TheQuestforGroove]

I have only done the Maschine pad sensor sheets but from what I heard it seems the upgrade kits are sort of hit or miss. So you can get some good results, but you can also get good results by just putting some tape on the pads on the inside. And that also does not always work... So there is no guaranteed way to fix something like an mpd218. There's differences between devices and pads. Maybe check this video out first: kzbin.info/www/bejne/j2qvnHqFed-Emc0

[@chaocrator]

btw, Novation Circuit Tracks has the same pads as Launchpad Pro Mk3. i hope they'll increase sample slots number in next firmware updates (they massively increased total sample time already), and this would make Circuit Tracks an excellent 100% standalone finger drumming solution.

[@wulver810]

I think I will settle on Mikro M3 until I learn a bit and pick up a yamaha fgdp once I am comfortable jamming out without a need for a tutorial.

[@ThreeUnremarkableWords]

A very nice video, I really like your expertise and insight into the different controllers. I bought a Launchpad X which I love. I feel like it isn't the most sensitive out there, but I can play expressive drums, and have a lot of fun with it. What I like about it is that I can use it to play basslines with a guitar-ish layout.

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Great to hear! the Launchpad X is getting a lot of love here. Goes to show that maybe I heard mostly from the complainers until I adressed it and now things get balanced out because the folks with positive experiences speak up :-)

[@subvids4003]

Hi QFG whats your take on the Roland HPD-20 Handsonic Electronic Percussion Pad? Thanks

[@TheQuestforGroove]

I haven't played it because of the price and form factor. I (selfishly) mostly focus on controllers that are compatible with my lessons here and on questforgroove.com. But the handsonic is on my radar. If I have a good month with some extra income I might just buy one and give it a spin. Right now I cannot say anything about it because I haven't played it at all.

[@Fernandozada]

There´s some standalone drum machine that sounds good and are easy to set the pads configuration to play like all the material here?

[@TheQuestforGroove]

From what I know not really. I suspect that it might be possible in the near future but for now the standalone units like the Machine + don't really sound like the 'real' kits. More electronic, sample based sounds. I suspect that as soon as you can run something like addictive drums on an iPad or something we'll be really close to next level "standalone" portability but right now I'm afraid a laptop is still the only complete option.

[@CookinBeatloaf]

I have a M+ for serious work but whats a good portable option to use with a phone or nanobox?

[@TheQuestforGroove]

I would get an FGDP-30 or 50. Best portable onboard sound units I've played. And not even that expensive. The 30 costs $150.

[@CookinBeatloaf]

​@@TheQuestforGroovethanks for replying, KZbin stopped most notifications for me. Looks like the -50 is needed unless the sound source has its own USB host and would be learning another pad layout. Would the MPC studio mk2 work with its minijack midi, used at a bit more than the price of a mpd218? Have you had a chance to try the Bluetooth $40 M-Vave pads or $99 Avatar pads? They would keep the 4x4

[@TheQuestforGroove]

@@CookinBeatloaf I used the MPC studio mk2 through usb which was fine (except that none of the lights worked on the pads if you do not enable Mpc software). I'll try out those bluetooth controllers soon. It seems impossible to me that those could work because of latency but we'll see...

[@joeking433]

Are there any problems with buying a used beatpad? Do the pads get worse with use and is it recognizable?

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Yeah over time the pads will wear and become less sensitive but it really depends on how much the device has been played. I play every day so mi main hi hat pad deteriorates over the course of about 2 years and then I have to replace the pad sensor sheet, but someone who casually plays will probably not get there as fast as me. Another thing with second hand devices is that for Maschine devices you need to get the software as well in order to activate them on a new system, so make sure the owner transfers the license!

[@MrScottGlasel]

Looking for a controller for ProTools and Logic to control Kontakt I would love a row for keyswtches. By the way I have a Mikro and it’s great with Maschine software it doesn’t integrate into ProTools or Logic

[@TheQuestforGroove]

I hope someone here has the golden tip for you. I personally can't think of something that does exactly what you describe and also has great pads :-(

[@donnbialik9085]

How do I assign pads on Mikro MK3? Do you have a video on this like the one for MK3?

[@OmuNikoro]

What’s your opinion on the mpc 500?

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Never played one. I do know that standalone samplers at this time never get me the drums I want / need. I always use a drum simulator like Addictive Drums and at the moment there does not seem to be a device that does the same thing as that software, with different samples for different velocities and round robin samples if you hit the same pad multiple time in a row... Still need a laptop for that.

[@nummacway]

I recently bought the MPD232 (MPD226 with twice the faders/knobs/buttons and a built-in sequencer, only sold in Europe) because most of the complaints about double-triggering on Amazon were about the MPD218 and I believed I needed the extra controls. It turned out that my MPD232 does have frequent double-triggering issues even on highest threshold. I also was unable to get the included MPC Beats software to run as it didn't recognice my device's S/N, which is required for it to work. I'm going to have Amazon fix it. If one does need 8 faders and 8 knobs (and has under 500 euros to spend), I believe there's only one other device out there, the Worlde Orca Pad48. There are no actual reviews of it, so I'd be happy if you could get one and make a video. I'd be interested in the configuration options and how the backlight works.

[@TheQuestforGroove]

I looked into the Worlde Orcapad but the problem with it is that I can only get it for the exact same price as the Launchpad X when ordering through amazon. It's cheaper when bought through Ali express but in all honesty that's a pretty big risk. If you buy there you basically have no consumer protection and you might not even get a device that follows the safety rules of your country. I'm not saying it's a guaranteed bad device but it's too much of a risk to recommend people buying from ali express.

[@austinmurphy3933]

Thank you for sharing your knowledge.

[@murmur8360]

Do you think the machine micro is worth using if you don’t want to use the machine software? I just want a good 16pad controller for use with Ableton for finger drumming, stop/record, simpler chops with a few rotaries. Been looking at the micro or the akai mpd 226. Like the idea of a bigger controller on the desk!

[@TheQuestforGroove]

It's absolutely worth it. I never use the Maschine software. It's just a good midi controller as well :-)

[@JonCresswellMusic]

when the "quest for groove" song came on you immediately got my sub and like lol!!

[@TheQuestforGroove]

haha, thanks! A secret not known by many is that it's cut out of a random jam that I posted a couple of months after I launched the channel: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gpvdn5WVbdiEl6s

[@syncMixer]

Love your videos. For the Mikro, there aren't knobs to control things like how open/closed the hihat is. Is that not a concern?

[@TheQuestforGroove]

In midi mode, you can actually use that one big knob to open or close the hihat! That's probably enough in most situations. If you also want to set the ride position and snare position you could set a CC value to some of the buttons. So instead of a smooth position change with the knob you can set the buttons to the exact values you want. Like ride bell, Ride tip etc.

[@NularMusic]

Lots of useful/interesting stuff, thanks for putting this together! Funny that I seem to be the only finger drummer swearing by the old Launchpad Pro (I've got two of them, both have consistently great pad sensitivity and velocity response, I prefer them to my Maschine Mikro Mk3). =)

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Interesting. I have a Launchpad pro mk2 and it's pretty good, but both my Maschine mikro mk3 units blow it away in terms of pad responsiveness. Might be again an issue where different units of the same type respond differently. That said, the Launchpad pro mk3 is definitely on par with the maschine units.

[@NularMusic]

@@TheQuestforGroove I've just re-tested my Maschine Mikro Mk3 against my (second) Launchpad Pro. I haven't touched my Maschine for a while, so I first updated its firmware. I used a technique I've been practicing a lot lately: "rolling" on one pad by hitting it with different fingers of the same hand multiple times. Despite the larger pads I found it much more difficult to do this consistently on the Maschine. Even at pad sensitivity set to the maximum, it just didn't trigger all of the softer hits while the Launchpad did. Another Maschine issue I keep running into is that when I hit two pads at the same time, sometimes other pads are also triggered. This can be eliminated by reducing sensitivity, but then the whole thing isn't that suitable for expressive finger drumming. I've seen similar things on the Launchpad X and the Push 2, but never on my Launchpad Pros. Sorry about the long reply, I thought you should know about my (apparently rather unique) data point. It's possible that I was very lucky with both my Launchpad Pros and unlucky with my Maschine, it's just surprising. I've yet to try the Launchpad Pro Mk3, although I wasn't a fan of the Launchpad X and I was told the Pro Mk3 has the exact same sensor and pads, just different firmware. Thank you for your reply and keep up the great work!

[@brunolacerda4611]

My MKII it 's good as a crap, can' t play anything on it!! Very regrat. A had to buy aura nektar. It works very good for Finger Drumming

[@CjKillinit]

@@NularMusic Interesting, do you have the launchpad pro MkI?

[@NularMusic]

@@CjKillinit I've got the original Launchpad Pro, which some people refer to as MKII.

[@meinfs]

Does the Maschine mikro mk3 work in an ipad environment?

[@TheQuestforGroove]

No it does not seem to work. It does not turn on if it's not plugged in to a computer.

[@meinfs]

@@TheQuestforGroove I was afraid of that... Thanks! But I already have a Presonus Atom upon your recc. Thanks for your fantastic efforts in sharing your knowledge and research!

[@karlchen1627]

i got a question. Do you not mention or reccommend bigger midi keyboards like MPK, because of the size and postion of their pads on the board?

[@TheQuestforGroove]

No it's actually because it would be too much for me to also go and order all those keyboards and test them out. Money wise, time wise, but also space in my house wise. That's why I sort of drew the line at pad controllers without keys. I tried some things, like the Launchkey mini mk3 but that was because it was sent to me.

[@karlchen1627]

@@TheQuestforGroove wow, that was quick thank you. im gonna buy a midi controller and not sure about it. i can imagine that finger drummin ist not that fun on a mpk (or others), because of the position.

[@TheQuestforGroove]

@@karlchen1627 I can say that a 4x4 layout is a lot more comfortable than a 2x4 which you see a lot on keyboards.

[@pdmidipd_patch7476]

I got a second hand Micro MK3 and it's great . Can't say the same for MPC One . The pads on One are smaller but sensitive enough with no double triggering issues . But they are harder/stiff ,not enjoying hitting them as the pads on the Micro. Thanks for the video :)

[@chilledm.136]

Do you know if the Mikro mk3 is compatible for phone daw mapping?

[@なんとも-o4o]

Should I forcibly buy the mikro mk3 rather than buying a used Maschine mikro mk2 at a very low price?

[@TheQuestforGroove]

No not neccessarily. The mikro mk2 can be good, but there are differences between devices. What's important is that the person sells you the software too! And ideally you go there and test the pads. See if they trigger when you tap them softly. Basically the weight of your hand. If so, then you ,might have a sweet deal!

[@なんとも-o4o]

@@TheQuestforGroove I can't go to touch the actual thing because it's far away, but the transfer ID is said to be transferred. But I will consider it a little more. Thank you so much for your polite advice.^ ^

[@sidneiribeiro3883]

I think the Surface of the linnstrument is smooth like the Ipad / Are There others in this same category ? Thx !

[@TheQuestforGroove]

As of now I feel like Linnstrument is one of its kind. Great device, just not the best for finger drumming. Other similar ones are the Joue pad and the Sensel morph. Personally I like linnstrument the best, but again... I still would use a normal pad controller for the percussive stuff.

[@SanDiegoNico]

Am I able to use the MK3 micro for using Addictive Drums, direct in Logic, or does it only work with NI’s software?

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Yeah no problem. You can put it in midi mode and completely bypass maschine software.

[@scstudios8]

As a drummer, pedal inputs are my issue. Also, you need 8x8 for sure. I can get so many sounds from 1 real snare or 1 cymbal its a huge issue. Superior drummer with these things is amazing. I have used edrum kick and hat controllers and it works well.

[@nelsondjordjemijic1533]

What about previous gen ni Maschine like MK2 ? And Will korg pad Kontrol (white one) will do by today's midi gear standards? Like how it compares to maschine mikro mk3 , Price/pads velocity performance?

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Yeah both are good. A white korg pad kontrol or a Maschine mk2 are probably nice buys if you get ones that arent worn out and they dont cost too much. I'd say anything over $100 is a ripoff for something that old.

[@nelsondjordjemijic1533]

@@TheQuestforGroove I saw atom for 100 euros will it be best buy overall it has recive and it's covered by gurantee?

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Yeah you'll have a better deal if you can get an Atom "with" warranty that you can send back if you dont like it. That's probably the best and least risky option.

[@andyziko]

What about Ableton Push 2?

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Great controller! Just not my main pick because of the price but if you have one, you're probably happy :-)

[@MegaZackRyder]

So glad I watched this video, thank you. I've been wanting to get more involved in my drumming than clicking in midi notes, but when I tried finger drumming with my Alesis v25, it was just awful. Pads won't respond, kinda glitch, seem to stay triggered (as in, I couldn't drum fast bc it would stay stuck on the previous note being triggered) and was overall frustrated. But now that desire to drum again has come back, and getting into a real e-drum is not really feasible at the moment. I'm becoming hopeful that with a proper device, I can have a fun experience with finger drumming.

[@Romenet310]

You do such a great job with your specialty. Thank you.

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Thank you so much!

[@ivanbalashov468]

Thanks for the great review, Rob! I got a Maschine mikro mk3 about year and half ago and love it! Using it with AD2 as you suggested, great combo :)

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Fantastic! Glad to hear you're having a good time.

[@icantthinkofsomething]

Does anybody know if I can use the MPC live II as a MIDI pad controller? Like my MPD32? Please let me know

[@TheQuestforGroove]

I had an MPC Live I once and I used the midi out port and connected that with a midi cable to the midi in port of my audio interface...

[@flucflugel]

Hi Rob, thanks for these videos! I recently bought an Artiphon instrument 1 and this got me going on finger drumming. As a guitarist its also awesome that I can use it to play harmonic and melodic software instruments. It feels like it has decent sensitivity but I've never played anything else. Have you ever played it? How does it stack up against the Mashine Mikro Mk3 in your opinion?

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Hey! no I've never played an Artiphon so cannot give you a comparison. I can say that with the good sensitive pad controllers, just softly letting your hand/finger fall down n a pad without using any force already triggers it!

[@flucflugel]

@@TheQuestforGroove Thanks, that's very useful! With a stiff finger the weight of my hand is enough to trigger, but if I only move my fingers without force that isn't enough. I'll keep on practicing with this for now and head to a store to compare some time soon :)

[@rick_amsterdam]

would you buy a new mikro mk3 or a used maschine mk2 if price is equal?

[@TheQuestforGroove]

I think the mikro mk3 at this time.

[@rick_amsterdam]

@@TheQuestforGroove thanks for the reply! Ik ben trouwens ook nederlands, living in LA. Keep up the good work!

[@sidneiribeiro3883]

I got a white padkontrol and the pads are really wonderful ! To use as a Dawless which module would you recommend ( i tried connecting It to an iPad 2 and It said It didn't enough power to power It via USB?!) Thx !

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Hey! I haven't really found an ideal dawless solution yet. What I do know is that you can get enough power by pluging in a powered usb hub and then pluging the controller in there, that way the ipad does not have to provide all the power.

[@aadordas]

I am new to the finger drumming world. Just starting out. Can you please suggest what would be best for me? Akai MPD or Launchpad Mini? I want to connect the device to my DAW (Cubase Artist).

[@TheQuestforGroove]

An akai mpd is a better choice than a Launchpad mini. The launchpad mini does not have velocity sensitive pads. They're more like tiny buttons. If you're interested in a Launchpad X I can recommend that one, but not the mini!

[@aadordas]

@@TheQuestforGroove Thank you

[@omagro8267]

I left maschine because of their lack of integration to Ableton live but I absolutely love it. So based off what I heard they have fixed that? If so ill run out and buy one immediately.

[@TheQuestforGroove]

I don't think they made a real integration with Ableton. All the Maschine units simply have a midi standalone mode. So that means the Maschine will behave like a midi keyboard and you do not need Maschine software to use it. I don't think there's any special integration with Ableton though. Just midi notes and CC controllers like any midi keyboard would have as well.

[@omagro8267]

@@TheQuestforGroove thanks dude. Easy sub. You do the work. Respect.

[@artemi-music]

hello Rob, thanks for the overview, can you confirm that you can actually change mikro mk3 pads brightness as seen at this moment 2:25 wondering if you can comfortably play this thing at night.

[@TheQuestforGroove]

Yes the LED brigthness does change when using the slider!

[@artemi-music]

@@TheQuestforGroove wow, thanks!

[@donnbialik9085]

If I do not buy AD2 or use Steve's free program, how can I assign pads to your orientation using micro and Maschine 2 to assign pads certain sounds?

[@TheQuestforGroove]

If you just use Maschine software you can assign any Maschine sound to any pad. So then you simply find a kick, snare hihat etc in the maschine factory library and you load those sounds onto the pads.

[@juandedioslopez-rienda4132]

Hi, I am evaluating to buy an Artiphon Orba but I don't know if it is feasible to finger drumming with it in a serious way, Have you ever know about it? Thanks in advance, best regards

[@TheQuestforGroove]

I know about it but never used it. If you want to learn how to play more or less the way I do, I cannot recommend it simply because of the techniques involved and the 4x4 layout being pretty important. If you like to experiment and teach yourself how to play awesome stuff, it could be a very inspiring device!

[@juandedioslopez-rienda4132]

​ @The Quest for Groove , I am also considering buying a Native Ins­tru­ments Mas­chine Mikro MK3, following your wise advice. Orba offers more MIDI interaction than the mere velocity so I will give it a try too