Lawyer Confronts Destiny About His Pride Flag Stance

DEBATE: Destiny debates pisco after giving his take on pride flags on government buildings...
Date: 18 June, 2023
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[@Ajyia]

5:00 - She thought it "was a diverse community", but is shocked that there is diversity of opinions instead of everyone agreeing with her. Classic.

[@DadsCigaretteRun]

Californians man

[@JollySwagsman]

“I came here bacause I thought it was a diverse community” cried the woman to the 100% Muslim city council

[@CrabLap-xb8cm]

I mean, don't go too far in the other way. There is no diversity of opinion in majority Muslim spaces. Talk to some exMuslims. Just because in this case, Muslims are on your side because fuck gays (amiright) , remember you are not welcome there either, probably. Don't simp for Muslims man, it's cringe

[@bigben3089]

Superficial diversity is the only form of Diversity these people care about.

[@JackPorter]

@@JollySwagsman hey, show respect. she had to fly across america! California to Hamtramck is like the new age Oregon Trail, she could have died from Dysentery!

[@Ithinkjustzelda]

Destinys 200IQ chatters asking why the US government is flying flags of the US military is peak content.

[@Hawaii567]

😂

[@jjdibiase2228]

Wait you can’t be serious I didn’t see that

[@josephkerrigan733]

​@@jjdibiase2228First 5 minutes.

[@chereshan906]

Well, globohomo is part of government structure. jk

[@silenceyouidiot]

@@jjdibiase2228 Never doubt the livechat to say the stupidest shit and struggle to understand the most basic things. Unlike us enlightened, thought provoking KZbinrs :)

[@ashtonmurdoch5226]

imagine getting pisco as your attorney but he finds out that you're conservative so he intentionally throws your case just because of his bias

[@eddiebernays514]

It blows my mind that people live their lives making decisions about people on that basis of them being Democrat or republican.

[@jakepotter5962]

​@@eddiebernays514remember how a republican was able to skew the supreme court to being more right wing and therefore got Roe V Wade revoked? Having a R or a D next to the name you vote for can and will have downstream effects that will affect the entire country. It's how the American system works

[@Stratocaster42]

He would be disbarred so I doubt that'd happen. Worst case he'd tell you to find a new lawyer but deliberately throwing a case would be insane

[@kazekagekid]

@@Stratocaster42that assumes he gets reported in the first place, the bar finds evidence, and privately disagrees with Pisco on screwing over conservatives before giving a verdict rather than being like “lmao nice, keep it up” off the record.

[@uUuWolf16uUu]

Pisco is probably one of the worst people to have a debate with. Dude literally lies to realize his agenda. He should probably be checked in terms of his ability to be an actual lawyer.

[@Senorbenignhillarity]

Dont worry pisco I too enjoy using 500 words to just say "No, i disagree".

[@Drakshl]

As a brit from a heavily Muslim area its fucking hilarious to me that she moved to a majority Muslim district and didn't expect conservatism. To be clear, this is no flame on the community, I have close friends who are Islamic, but their religious communities are typically just very socially conservative. In most cases its due to plain text readings of their religious texts that, unless you twist them like an m knight shyamalan film pretty clearly lay out what is and isn't acceptable

[@DavidMadueke]

Twist em like an M knight Shyamalan film had me creasing on the floor 😂😂😂

[@hunter00143]

Well she said she wanted to move to a diverse neighborhood.

[@knifetoucher]

That guy must be a great lawyer since he turned what should have a been a 10 min argument into a 2hr one

[@117Ender]

hes billing destiny for his stupidity

[@ayale1130]

Damn true

[@TinyR710]

When you bill by the hour, you get good at making simple shit complicated.....lol

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

@@TinyR710 When I pay by the hour then you've only got about 5 minutes to "wow" me before I fire you and hire somebody else.

[@Sr68720]

100% exactly what i was thinking.

[@timbrady16]

I’ve never heard someone talk so much without saying anything… Definitely a lawyer.

[@feign.o]

So damn boring and annoying

[@deathforsaker88]

Dude took forever to get to his points just to be surface level about it

[@joecbraun]

I find Pisco's opinions really incoherent most of the time. He comes in to argue as a way to think through something he hasn't really thought about a lot, and then can't really keep up with his own thinking.

[@uUuWolf16uUu]

@@joecbraun Thats because he is a sophist. He literally used destiny's own argument just rephrased to justify lgbtia flags on government property. While using the same argument inverted to argue against any flag that contradicts his political beliefs.

[@deathforsaker88]

@@joecbraun the thing is, he uses to much lawyer vocabulary that don't extend outside the courthouse. It almost comes off as pretentious because it takes so long for him to make his point.

[@ImortalZeus13]

I’m gay, and you should NEVER believe people when they try to tell you that the pride flags are non-political, or even that it’s JUST about supporting LGBT people. LGBT INDIVIDUALS are non-political, but the flag is just as ideologically related as a MAGA flag. There’s a reason that the new pride flags have black/brown stripes to stand in solidarity with BLM - it’s never been about the individuality of gay people, it’s always been about signaling which side of the culture war you settle on. All you have to do is listen to what the radicals say about it. The flag isn’t about just LGBT, it’s about dismantling heteronormativity, gender binaries, capitalism, and in many instances “whiteness”. People see Pride flags on the White House and get the feeling that they’re being occupied by an invading state - and they’re more right than wrong to believe that. Once again, the hardcore LGBT activists continue making normal gay people’s lives (like me) more difficult by forcing me to disassociate from the largest cultural movement that claims to be in favor of my well-being because they repeatedly choose to make it about politics BEYOND my ability to marry and adopt children. Modern gay activism makes people hate me more than accept me, or if they do accept me, they do it assuming I’m on their side of the culture war.

[@Taylzz]

Scary, not the part about you being gay. That's all good. But the truth that you speak in regards to radical movements.

[@WeBreakTheChain]

Fellow gay here. Totally disagree with you. LGBT people ARE a political group, not of our choosing but we are born into a world that has politicized what is and isn't 'acceptable' sexuality. It is easy for you to sit there and ignore the immense political struggle it took for you to be able to openly express yourself as a gay person but make no mistake, there are forces in this country trying to take that privilege away. The Pride flag is a symbol for ALL Americans - it represents our freedom to be and love whoever you want. Allowing these reactionary forces to take that away is an immense lose to ALL Americans.

[@keyki9832]

@@WeBreakTheChain the only flag that represents ALL americans is the american flag.

[@Punchmemommy]

The activists are screeching because LGBTQ rights are being attacked. You have more to say about the people defending your civil rights than the people attacking them. Last year it was CRT, now it’s the LGBTQ community wants to trans your kids. These stupid issues are being manufactured. Nobody cares this much about this shit. It’s mindblowing how easily politicians manufacture a distraction for both sides to dig into.

[@naftulzvi3353]

@@keyki9832 It's too bad America hasn't represented all Americans for most of its history.

[@Operation_C4]

"I will grant you this, I will grant you that." Can Pissco just grant Steven the argument?

[@hunteryoung9903]

isn't the American flag representative of all American people

[@Senorbenignhillarity]

ita supposed to be. but a small cross section of permanently online people get butthurt at the presence of the US flag now because history and bad deeds are apparently only universal to one flag. IE a toddlers object permanence applied to history

[@kamifuujin]

​@Senorbenignhillarity yea the amount of hate i see from these types who live here is staggering. My people were ensalved by this government, and i dont hate america nearly as much as some of these guys. Personally, I'm pretty proud of where my country is overral, even if i wish some things were different.

[@lighting7508]

@@Senorbenignhillarity huge strawman lgbt people are not “anti American flag” 💀

[@Senorbenignhillarity]

@@lighting7508 no one said that lol. your inability to understand words doesnt make my statement a strawman.

[@crzyprplmnky]

​@@Senorbenignhillarity To be fair, groups that are legally discriminated against have a fair right to say that a USA flag doesn't fully represent them, like trans people who had their right to serve in the military taken away.

[@caesarplaysgames]

Pisco out here single-handedly creating two more conservatives for every smug sentence he utters.

[@63Limar]

Based, more people to hone the Intellectual alacrity with.

[@traveel9409]

Unironically. Actual pseudointellectual

[@steveng6704]

And your comment created two liberals because of your bias and smugness towards Pisco's worldview. Please detail one instance where he was smug.

[@Bozowomp]

True lmao Destiny still the only lefty who gets it 😂 (not really but you get the point )

[@caesarplaysgames]

@@steveng6704 If you can’t detect smugness in his demeanor than I don’t know what to tell you, go out and talk with more people and you’ll notice these things.

[@daxx1985]

pissco asking questions destiny already answered but rewording it to try and get a different answer is adorable as usual

[@Crooshka]

Badgering like a rookie lawyer as usual

[@rhoalpha]

Oh gosh I didn't realise this was a pisco video when I started watching, time to drop only 4 mins in, thanks for saving me the mindrot

[@isotopesreactor3019]

@@rhoalphawhenever you see lawyer just note it might be a pisco video.

[@JackPorter]

@@isotopesreactor3019 Destiny tricked me with that title, i'm gonna hire pissco to sue him!

[@johnneumann8878]

Adorable is one word for it . . . I found it quite frustrating. Like, it felt like he was very motivated to draw a bias in favour or Pride and not be consistent with his principles re: 10commandments, Libertarian flag, etc. Someone so blind to motivated reasoning is something I find frustrating.

[@blasterdude3]

Pisco's got an incredible talent for instantly triggering Destiny with ridiculous opinions. He's like a trained assassin bent on eliminating Destiny's sanity on sight.

[@akhiljayanty2141]

What ridiculous opinion did he have?

[@amykpop1]

@@akhiljayanty2141 did you even watch the video?

[@akhiljayanty2141]

@@amykpop1 I watched up until Pisco and Destiny wrapped up the pride flag convo, once the third guy joined I stopped watching, so they may have addressed the pride stuff again in the latter half but I only listened to the first half.

[@PeachesandCream225]

@@amykpop1 so you dont have an answer...

[@RockPile_]

@@amykpop1this guy is dumb, don’t respond to undergroundxp

[@BandyBunkele]

Jesus christ. this was literally a south park episode from years ago.

[@cryptouk7985]

Is it wrong I read Jesus christ like the gay guy from South Park xD

[@Twyffon]

Feels like every day our discourse mirrors a decade old South Park episode... Feels bad

[@MrPojopojo]

​@@Twyffonit's because south park commented/comments on current day issues. It always has been that way so you'll often find episodes that seem to mirror real life.

[@Fff99224]

Anyone remember what episode?

[@CthulhuTheory]

@@Fff99224 which*^

[@acason4]

Totally agree with Destiny. I support “pride” personally, but at our state capital it should only be our government related flags. Period.

[@ryanwbourquin]

why?

[@marq_]

@@ryanwbourquin most of the country isn’t gay

[@Bububixby]

@@ryanwbourquinThen it will be okay to display nazi, communists, blm, or any other social movement flag on government property. Thats cringe

[@Macheako]

@@ryanwbourquinbecuz im not ghey ❤

[@eyedeekay143]

​@Ryan Bourquin bro make an argument instead of just asking open ended questions on comments that you don't like 😅

[@Transhumanist_Adam]

Might be a bad idea to hire Pissco to represent you in court with argumentation like this.

[@DaFifaKid]

i just listened to an hour of argument just for pisco to repeat VERBATIM what destiny said 1 minute into the call

[@uUuWolf16uUu]

@@DaFifaKid Truth. He used destiny's own argument to justify his own ideological flags, but disallow those he disagrees with. Dude is what you call a sophist.

[@akhiljayanty2141]

@@uUuWolf16uUu when did he say he wanted to disallow flags he disagreed with? He specifically said trump had and should have had the authority to put up a maga flag, he just wouldn’t agree with trump doing that since he doesn’t support the maga movement. I swear to god KZbin comments are just making up shit and lying about his position to make themselves feel better about riding daddy D’s dick

[@ViktardTRTH]

if this is my lawyer i'm going to jail dawg

[@bradspitt3896]

Unless the judge is just like him.

[@Onthebrink5]

A lawyer and an attorney are two different things. An attorney represents people in court while lawyers do not. All attorneys are lawyers but all lawyers are not attorneys. Similar to how all psychiatrists are psychologists but psychologists are not psychiatrists.

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

@@Onthebrink5 I wouldn't hire that f*cker to proof read a book report, let alone a contract.

[@thelorance1016]

@@Onthebrink5 bro Psychologists and Psychiatrists are in a different boat imo. Psychiatrist is DR bro huge difference to psychologist. attorney and lawyer are fare closer related. EZ for lawyer to become attorney VERY hard for Psychologist to become Psychiatrist they got to stop working Psychology and go study 7-8 years and become a medical specialist

[@Onthebrink5]

@@thelorance1016 No they are not. The fact that you said "they are in a different boat" kind of proves what I mean. You do not want most lawyers defending you in court. You do not want most psychologists prescribing you drugs. It is a very apt analogy. A psychologist is "FARE" closer to a psychiatrist than most lawyers are to being attorneys.

[@ImortalZeus13]

Pisco is generally kinda smart but the fact that he has such trouble judging “what I personally approve of” and “what should be legal” is fucking weird

[@117Ender]

pisco isnt smart... hes a joke...have any of his takes aged well?

[@vindikaktus]

You dont think what someone personally believes and what they think should be legal overlaps for a huge amount of people? That's literally the basis for the overwhelming amount of political discourse.

[@kitohawksworth5000]

​@@vindikaktusI think we'd expect somebody in a law related position could separate their preferences from their opinion of what a good or reasonable law is. I.E i may not want to associate with weed addicts but it doesn't mean that i think they shouldn't be allowed to be weed addicts.

[@ImortalZeus13]

@@vindikaktus People who can’t discern the difference between “I don’t like it” and “nobody should be able to do it” are tyrants

[@akhiljayanty2141]

Destiny is the one confusing the two. He changed the way he uses language to try and confuse the two repeatedly. This is like if someone said they were against the war in afghanistan, and Destiny said 'so you don't believe the commander in chief should have the power to deploy troops when he feels necessary?'. If the other person says no, they do think that power is fine for the president to have, they just disagreed with how the power was used, then Destiny goes 'so would you support the deployment of troops in WW2' and the other person says yes, because they agree with that cause, and then dumbass DGG chat soys out and goes 'HA logical inconsistency you don't support every use of power that the commander in chief wields'. Pisco was correct this whole argument and Destiny was just too weaselly to actually say what he believes and kept retreating to what powers he thinks the government should hold, and chat was too confused to keep up with Pisco's argument.

[@CrackGolden]

This guy just wants to sound smart. He spends so much time saying nothing at all.

[@francisxavier8374]

you described 99% of all internet pundits

[@dandastardly2792]

I got lost so quickly because of his mental gymnastics.

[@SkinnyGreekGod]

You just said that to sound smart. Problem is it's dumb. If you have an objection to anything he said, be specific and call it out. Don't be vague

[@CrabLap-xb8cm]

Do you mean Destiny? Or who he is talking to?

[@dandastardly2792]

@@CrabLap-xb8cm whoever destiny was talking to

[@Grumpini]

The second half of this convo (edit: about feinstein) is just: Destiny: We should follow established process and make decisions based on principles because it's good for the functioning of the country. Pisco and Jessiah: But Destinyyyyy :( who cares if it bites us in the ass later, we can break the rules and own the republicans right now!!!!

[@117Ender]

pisco and jessiah push me further right. they cant accept neutral they always want to seize ground which is what created the modern culture war. its pisco that argues to violate neutrality and when it bites him later, he plays victim. its a crybully. he lashes out at you as he cries when you return it in kind

[@azure_azure]

They were probably cheering so hard when Reid ended the filibuster without thinking of the consequences lol. Everyone knew what was coming eventually. They just want Democrats to be able to be dictators. If McConnell was a Democrat he would be praising his political genius.

[@DeansDiscourse]

@@117EnderAt least Pisco isn’t as bad as that Ruminate guy. Pisco is definitely driven by his politics to his conclusions and I don’t think he is thinking through the dangerous end to what he believes but that ruminate guy is just a left wing hack who practically admitted he views the Republican vs. Democrats as akin to a literal war. I have no doubt he’d be an authoritarian dictator if he could seize it in the name of his beliefs and to defeat the republicans once and for all.

[@ponderingpolitics]

@117Ender @azure_azure @MichaelDeanDebates Hi, Jessiah/Ruminate here. Y'all should jump in call next time this is discussed and we can try to hash it out live, I'm sure Steven will let you in. In the meantime, some quick fact checks that Destiny himself conceded: * The political landscape isn't neutral, Republicans/the Right are heavily advantaged in the American system. * Politics is for action, not virtue signaling, so obstinately standing on principle regardless of what the other party does is stupid. Abraham Lincoln didn't do that, why should we? * Norms/institutions aren't the ends, they're means to ends, and they require reciprocity and reliability. When one of two parties repeatedly and flagrantly violates them, they arguably cease to exist. I'm unapologetically partisan because one party (Democrats), despite their flaws, are better than the other party (Republicans). Destiny also agrees with that. The Union was better than the Confederacy, the Allies were better than the Axis, and the Democratic Party is better than the Republican Party. Facts don't care about your feelings. 😘

[@Grumpini]

@@hijklmnopreaper You're wrong because I'm talking about the second half of the conversation which was not about pride flags but about senator appointments.

[@phixi0n]

Based Destiny take. Not everyone supports the Pride flag.

[@ImortalZeus13]

I’m gay and I don’t like the pride flag.

[@user-cd4ms6cf8l]

​@@franklingoodwin you fly government flags on government property. Simple as that

[@josephkerrigan733]

​@@franklingoodwinIf you are living in the USA there is significantly less people that find the US flag offensive and against their political perspective than a Pride, MAGA, BLM or Communism flag. Destiny's argument for public property is the least offensive or divisive symbols should be displayed because people that disagree cannot opt out of funding the display outside of leaving the country. If we go with the "they should just leave the country, instead of criticising the government" angle I don't think either side of the political isle will get very far when a president comes into power they disagree with.

[@Hemlocker]

@@franklingoodwin If you don't support the US flag but you're choosing to continue giving the US government your money by living there and paying taxes, then I'm not sure you really have any grounds to complain

[@thetachyonblue]

@@franklingoodwin They aren’t equivalent. The American flag is the flag of the country.

[@loganjackson675]

“Won’t this lead to states changing their flags to just be the pride flag” Lmaoo this is just amazing content, you’ve outdone yourself Destiny’s Chat

[@entropicflux8849]

i feel like i'm taking crazy pills!

[@nick4754]

It's not that ridiculous. I mean Georgia changed its state flag to the Confederate flag in 1958 although it was much less controversial then. Honestly it's not the most outrageous claim given that most blue states have seal flags which seems to hold less cultural capital so from what I've seen so them being replaced with a rainbow wouldn't be as big of an issue in a state like Washington amongst people who would support flying pride flags from buildings

[@loganjackson675]

@@nick4754 it’s not (that) ridiculous to think that a state would change their flag to the pride flag, it’s ridiculous to think that it would come as a natural result of not being allowed to fly political activist flags in general. Georgia changed its flag in protest over the Brown v Board decision. Maybe a state or two would adopt the pride flag over some massive anti-gay federal legislation, but it wouldn’t be something that every state who wanted to fly the pride flag would just do if they couldn’t fly it otherwise lol

[@opinionshurt2905]

Lets be clear, Pisco can’t pronounce “nuclear”, therefore he should not be taken seriously as a scholar.

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

Nuke-ur-lur

[@filipeamor]

Destiny: So ultimately the process by which you decide if a flag can go up or not is if you agree with it? Yes, this is Pisco's take which he keeps running away from because it makes him sound like a dictator.

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

There's an OUTSTANDING overlap between self proclaimed Lefties and Authoritarians.

[@burnsport1]

In the US, sexuality seems like its being weaponized is a strange, devious, hyper-political way

[@Xairos84]

It's all just to flex on their opponents... It's really strange from a global perspective

[@literallyshaking8019]

Oy vey!

[@GomulDart]

Yeah conservatives and fascists tend to do that

[@mimioize1634]

@@GomulDart nah libs and commies love flying those flags dumb dumb

[@sullivan3503]

What do you mean?

[@Bozowomp]

I love the people who hear Destiny’s argument, process it entirely wrong in their head, then regurgitate back at him and say YOU THINK THIS?! And he has to be like no I said this:

[@jacksyoutubechannel4045]

Pisco kills me. I know he went to law school, got his JD, and passed the bar. Given that, I hate that in every conversation he has with Destiny, I'm not sure if he's purposely withholding information or if his understanding and/or knowledge (especially of the merits, specific holdings, and reasoning of the precedents he'll refer to; also, of American history) is just that shallow. It feels like he never had to do _anything_ like argue in favor of a dissent he disagreed with, or write both the opinion of the court and the dissent for the same case, or brief as both parties in a hypothetical factual scenario. (And maybe he legitimately didn't; it's an indictment of the state of law school, if anything.) That the new(er) cohort of attorneys seem to have _such_ tunnel vision, never even exercising their reciprocal/bilateral reasoning muscles, is both depressing and disheartening.

[@03e-210a]

One tip that I usually do when I listen to this guy is skip to his last sentence. His last sentence will have his opinion and not some legal-logical rationalizing sh!t.

[@MisterMosfet]

Does anyone know of a resource where we can see what cases he's been involved with?

[@user-uq4gr5nl5o]

He wins almost every debate he has with Destiny

[@A_3000]

​@@user-uq4gr5nl5o You can't just say words and expect it to be the truth

[@pdpgb]

That's what lawyers do. He smart enough to make the case for the position he's defending whether it's true/dishonest or not.

[@tonytouch145]

Insane that this is even a debate that people are having. The entitlement is real. If there is even one flag that you won’t recognize or accept then you cant make your argument for the pride flag. We all recognize that we live in the US, a state, and a city. Why are we bringing social issues or social acceptance flags into any discussion. The amount of groups involved in the pride flag is insane. I don’t even know who’s involved in that community at this point because the letters never end. It’s to the point that they had to put a + sign so they didn’t hurt peoples feelings.

[@aradiamegido2965]

Huh? U ok? Why does a + bother you, kinda seems like missed messaging

[@skugga7]

These are no longer social issues. These are religions.

[@crasykills4718]

@@aradiamegido2965 I think the + confused you too much. Just ignore that part and read the rest of the messages as the + doesn't change it at all.

[@platinummad4701]

It was the same government that passed legislations protecting lgbt people, why is it weird for it to encourage the population to respect those laws, my country have pride shit all over government buildings ages ago, why is it polemic for your country to support the things the population voted to support lmao.

[@MetroidPurples]

@@platinummad4701 The pride flag doesn't represent America, the American flag does. It's pretty simple.

[@jonathanrothmare3509]

Sexual preference flag don't need to be hung up in a government building.

[@nick_yt23]

All religious, political, racial , ethnic and sexual identity flags and activism should stay away from schools and public property .

[@danielwood8135]

Love this. Group identity flags are gay as hell

[@nickgman3592]

If only that was actually the case. It seems its going to keep getting worse.

[@deriznohappehquite]

Especial the Irish flag.

[@TheJestersDoor]

Political flags, like the American and state flags? Haha

[@danielwood8135]

@@deriznohappehquite 😂😂

[@sward0483]

If you cant put the 10 commandments out you damn sure cant fly a pride flag

[@tripleeyeemoji2685]

Only sane DDGer

[@sheev973]

Well we have this whole thing called separation of church and state and the 10 commandments explicitly demand that you worship one specific religion.

[@samuraidog1510]

@@sheev973 doesnt invalidate the moral teachings given by christianity

[@sheev973]

@@samuraidog1510 we can pretend I said that brother, it's ok, go ahead and use me to fight your demons

[@Whinterfell]

Listening to those guys on the ending about voting and such is hilarious. Yes let's break the system when we don't get our way. No it isn't bad when we do it. Lol

[@pdpgb]

Pisco's position is basically "they should be allowed to put up any symbols I agree with but not the ones I disagree with".

[@brandonk.4864]

No it’s not. He said the president can put any flag on the white house (with obvious exceptions), but he would be against flags being put up that he doesn’t agree with.

[@akhiljayanty2141]

You’ve completely misunderstood his argument, same way this entire comment section has. You realize you’re just against the concept of supporting some policies but not others right? Piscos position is he disagrees with some symbols so he doesn’t want them to be put up. He’s not talking about the authority of the government to actually do so. It’s like if someone disagreed with a higher tax rate and then you’re dumbass went “haha you think you should be able to pass laws and I shouldn’t”. What a fucking moronic take

[@PaxChristi7]

@@brandonk.4864 hopefully I’m missing the sarcasm and you didn’t just respond with the same position as a counter lol

[@akhiljayanty2141]

@@PaxChristi7 no, you’re not missing the sarcasm. You are missing some brain cells though. Pisco is just arguing that he’s for the president having the power to raise any flag they want, that doesn’t mean he has to support them raising any flag they want. He only supports the flags he wants to go up.

[@purts2]

​@@PaxChristi7the racists in the country also pay taxes, so we should eliminate MLK day.

[@TNTspaz]

Tbh. Seems like a pretty obvious take. You just don't display ideological flags besides nations flags at the white house. I would figure there would already be a rule about it. Personally, I don't really like the pride flag and I don't like how a lot of people use history as an excuse for why stuff like the pride flag is above all recourse. Stonewall has basically got to be a copypasta at this point. They hope to drown you out with history so you shut up. Primarily, they feel the need to defend it so heavily as a unquestionable symbol cause a lot of gay people are sick of the flag and coopted movements surrounding it. Myself included

[@Reloading20]

It seems obvious, but as the point posed at the start of the debate raises: there other other deeper implications to consider. Why are we ok with having state holidays for social issues or religious reasons. Why is it ok for a christmas tree to be displayed at the white house? It seems pretty obvious that heavily policing all forms of expression on state property would not be something most people are in favor of.

[@hvyarms4496]

​@@Reloading20Xmas and Easter have been pushed more to the Easter bunny and Santa for this reason tho. My family is religious and my daughters thinks Xmas means gifts and Easter means egghunts 😅 i thought we all already agreed we want the holiday breaks to indulge in consumerism. Who's crazy enough to protest those breaks 😂

[@Nikifuj908]

TIMESTAMPS 0:00 Intro 6:29 Pride flag debate 40:53 Durham debate 52:29 Diane Feinstein debate 58:20 If Destiny disagrees, he’s a hack 1:34:20 The importance of norms

[@jdestrada6281]

If we're flying flags to honor our sexual preferences then Pornhub should make a flag for BBCs and PAWGs. See how long anyone can fly that shit outside their businesses. Shit how about a BDSM flag? Or a hentiai flag? Why not make a flag for everyone's sexual preferences then?

[@Taylzz]

Imagine the gouverment putting up the PEDO flag next to the Pride and Grape flag.

[@ImortalZeus13]

There are BDSM and Leather pride flags. But we don’t publicize them… hmmmmmm

[@tylercsm4690]

Being gay isn't a sexual preference.

[@Shnarky]

Hentai flag, this guys onto something

[@lightfeather9953]

​@@tylercsm4690 oh you're right, I forgot about all the gay guys who hate having sex with men while enjoying sex with women

[@bindybum5472]

it feels like a lot of the time intelligent people either side think to deeply on something to where it has nothing to do with the actual stance someone else is taking. Destiny is making a clear point if it isn't apart of the US government don't put it up, and that's simply because not everyone is Christian not everyone is Muslim or lgbtq etc... sometimes thing have a simple answer and that's all it needs sometimes there needs to be nuance but this isn't one of those times

[@AkaiKnight]

The thing is, if the example was any of those things (Christian, muslim flag, etc.) then the exact argument destiny put forth would be used.

[@marisoto7442]

​@franklingoodwin but the us flag at least makes sense sense we are all Americans but not everyone is lgbtq

[@ronmexico7256]

I’m not fully aware of everything in the constitution but is there something similar to separation of church and state that would apply to the pride flag? If not then these are different issues regardless of how you feel about them. (I agree with destiny for the record)

[@shogo359]

@@franklingoodwin but you live in the United States, which has a flag that represents everyone that lives in it, you then live in states which have flags that again represent everyone in the state and then the town or city. SO now its not the same.

[@SubtleHawk]

I just don't see the difference between like putting up pride flags to celebrate Pride Month and putting up Christmas decorations (like a Christmas tree with LEDs) to celebrate Christmas.

[@falseprophet1024]

If gaycity can fly the pride flag, then hicktown can fly the confederate battleflag, and whiteville can fly the religious symbol the mustache man stole..

[@dbjdi]

Classic lefty logic. "We voted one person in and just want to do a bait and switch to put someone else in. What's wrong with that?"

[@jamesjerde6667]

Never would I hire this guy to represent me legally

[@Jesusjablo]

But if you vote for pride flag, wouldn´t that open a question on equal rights, meaning if a pride flag can be on government buildings, shouldn´t any other group have the right to put that flag there as well? I agree with the Destinys first take. There should be only only symbols or flags representing US and it´s parts. Once you go the way for some flags, you should permit others as well.

[@Richardpepsienema]

Leftists only want to fly flags that fit their narrative.

[@TwentyPercentDash]

Destiny is right. Flags on government buildings are supposed to unite people, not be used for the culture war.

[@GenericHuman54]

What about swearing on the bible or having religious symbols on currency etc. ? 40% of America isn't even Christian so why is it not a culture war for the government to embrace these religious traditions but that is unquestionably the case when they fly a pride flag. It sounds like you are being ignorant to have a convenient reason to disapprove of pride flags in govt. buildings.

[@Observette]

Ummm....who’s stoking the culture war though?

[@TwentyPercentDash]

@@Observette The left and the right.

[@TwentyPercentDash]

@@GenericHuman54 I made a comment on the purpose of flags. It's not a comment about courtrooms or currency. Nothing I said was ignorant or inconsistent, and you're using whataboutism while being incredibly condescending.

[@GenericHuman54]

@@TwentyPercentDash I use condescending comments to start conversation - it's very useful if not a bit clickbaity. I mean no harm by it. Now that I've got your attention, I still have to ask what is intrinsic about religious tradition. Why does it matter if it's on currency or not? The point is that it's a practice that (while perhaps subtle) still implies that one religion is correct over another. Not very "uniting" is it? In the same way, hanging a pride flag implies that you selectively support those ideas over other people's. You haven't explained an instinct quality to religious expression as opposed to gender expression, so currently, your argument holds a weak point.

[@TecTitan]

How can one person be so evasive and yet try so hard to not come across that way at the same time? It's strange to me how this guy is the one talking to Destiny and yet every time it comes back around to Destiny's take on the pride flag situation this guy gets it completely wrong. Like he's literally not even listening he's here to argue what he thinks Destiny thinks. Dude's not hearing Destiny at all

[@afonsopires2315]

You're telling me this guy is a lawyer? lmao

[@marcelegbe5837]

??

[@afonsopires2315]

@@marcelegbe5837 All his points were moronic at best and disingenuous at worst. He got humbled and debunked by a carpet cleaner in 5 minutes then kept repeating himself and doubling down for the rest of the conversation.

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

@@afonsopires2315 A lawyer has to love to argue, but loving to argue doesn't make you a good lawyer.

[@zdog058]

Another Pisco being intolerable episode... I sleep

[@GKJusticar55]

When the title said “lawyer” I thought, “Pisco?” Then I saw the duration of the video. No thanks.

[@1qualitybacon]

Someone posted a picture, of these flags on reddit, in london as pride is coming up. It reminded me of something in particular and I commented "if Hitler was gay" I was banned for 3 days??

[@blacktemplarterminator6058]

Did you see the clip of workers cutting down a lone union jack amidst a sea of pride flags? The person recording says "you're cutting down the wrong flag, mate" and the workers in the lift reply "yeah, we know"

[@1qualitybacon]

@@blacktemplarterminator6058 link?

[@daniellastnaim1588]

Baiting me with the word “lawyer” but it’s just pissco 💀

[@kevinkelley7470]

This guy was SUPER inconsistent lol

[@moralobjection4836]

When our side does it it's ok. When the other side does it, it's playing both sides and bad. Can't take these people seriously. They don't realize the cult they align with will sell them out in an instant when it's advantageous for them to do so. These guys would be better off having principles that aren't only applied because of their political leanings.

[@qapiojg]

@@KALSKingdom The pride flag doesn't represent gay marriage, or gays. It represents a far broader scope than that, and people take issue with various aspects. The especially hot button one currently is the trans ideology, which is also included in pride and entirely separate from gay marriage and gay people.

[@moralobjection4836]

@@KALSKingdom What in the actual fuck are you even talking about... My comment had nothing to do with these issues you're trying to make it about. Otherwise I would've clearly mentioned it. Did you not listen to the entire video? I don't even remember LGBT issues being a large part of the discussion at all. So again, WHAT IN THE ACTUAL FUCK ARE EVEN TALKING ABOUT? This is where you take some time to reflect on whatever is going on in your life.

[@jedidiah5515]

@@KALSKingdom reminder that gay marriage could NOT get passed in a single of our 50 united states. It even failed to pass in california. The supreme court had to force it onto everyone. This idea that there is popular support for it is a mirage created by the internet. there has never ever been popular democratic support for gay marriage.

[@hexxin]

​@@jedidiah5515the supreme Court ruling was also changed via supreme court. There shouldn't be ten commandments there shouldn't be any type of ideology or any type of religious relic at the government buildings they should be a neutral forum and advertised thing such as the Constitution and Bill of Rights and our foundational ideals and systems the country was founded on and hold true today.

[@starro361]

You are misrepresenting pisco. He is for everyone being able to put up a flag on the whitehouse legally. i.e. he is not in favor of banning it like destiny is. His disagreement with trump putting up a maga flag is the same as his disagreement with trump wearing a maga hat. He is pro lgbt so hes happy biden put up the lgbt flag

[@adam-yk6yd]

Chat’s joyous piss-soaked reaction when Pisco lands is so wholesome

[@bearclaw]

Pisco AND Ruminate?? God this is an absolute nightmare blunt rotation...

[@Raidur7215]

We all know why these get approved. There is NO dissent allowed. Thats what happens when your ideology is an obsession with victimhood.

[@NugKnights]

You can not be ok with Pride flags unless your Ok with Natzi flags. Its either both or neith.

[@Mike_Dubayou]

Not caring what people do or who they love is different from supporting the pride movement. Just like not caring about someone’s skin color and thinking everyone’s lives matter is not the same as supporting BLM group/movement.

[@colinbruulsema7177]

There are conservatives that fly pride flags. It isn't that controversial irl.

[@Mike_Dubayou]

Sure and people are free to support whatever movement and beliefs they want. The question is whether or not the government should do it.

[@MaskedManatee]

32:50 Pissco finally understands Destiny's point despite him repeating and clarifying multiple times

[@akhiljayanty2141]

Actually, if you listen to the next two minutes, Pisco gets Destiny to accept that Pisco's position is perfectly valid. Destiny was just too much of a bitch to actually state his position on the flag and once again, retreated to what powers he thinks an office should have as opposed to how that power should be used, and then he went on to accuse Pisco of using language in a weird way when he was the one confusing the two to begin with.

[@MrShanester117]

When I was a kid I got picked on for wearing glasses. I was marginalized and oppressed. I want a glasses pride flag

[@bathcat3759]

I love how you guys have unironically come over to the “there’s no diversity of opinion” side. You guys smeared anyone who said this in the past 6 years as a racist for saying that exact, innocuous statement

[@Jrez]

Imagine a leader trying to represent and take into account the wishes of all of their citizens. I know it's like a Star Trek TNG utopian dream that's way out there, but it'd be pretty nice I think.

[@kylecrane5751]

I smell a Cardassian spy in the government and some foreign money changers.

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

The day that the Star Trek Replicator becomes real consumer technology is the day that I'll stop being a Conservative.

[@akhiljayanty2141]

That would be a shitshow. Imagine they never made any progress because they kept trying to figure out compromises that would satisfy everyone without realizing some people are just bigoted assholes

[@djdepression]

The point about it being ok to fly the Ukrainian flag is moronic. A lot of people do not support getting involved in that conflict. Even if we have sent them stuff, that doesn't mean we agreed to it. The politicians decided to get us into that shit.

[@abstractsymmetricity]

So you disagree with Destiny's take that the government should be able to fly the Ukrainian flag?

[@couldyou4745]

Yea that was a big L and completely fucked up his whole argument.

[@jerrywheyland7324]

Being this old when you realise that you live in a representative democracy.

[@djdepression]

@@jerrywheyland7324 breh I majored in political science ya dunce lmao. Regardless, only bootlickers would think it's totally cool to fly some other country's flag. Keep sucking off daddy Biden I guess. Keep feeding the industrial war complex I guess.

[@gekofork2911]

Did the lawyer actually practice law? Or did he just pass the bar? Cause i think a judge would just eat him alive every single time

[@theimmortal4718]

He could be a private or real estate lawyer for all we know

[@TrinoBobino]

24:00 - Just a quiet side-note that people aren't aware of. "In God We Trust" is and was always a reference to the latter verses of The Star-Spangled Banner: "And this be our motto - "In God is our trust,"" It was not a Christo-Fascist movement, or a melding of religion and state. It came just a few years following The Star-Spangled Banner becoming our official national anthem. Nationalism was big at the time, and all sorts of "Americanisms" were being added to official symbolism.

[@TwoBs]

It’s okay when my side changes the rules because the outcome works in my favor, but I will get really upset and yell at clouds when the other side changes the rules as that’s not fair. Only my side can have advantages.

[@tobiastalks1070]

Listening to him virtue signal so hard that it confuses the whole conversation is hilarious

[@Pantifaximile]

Wouldn't no flag represent the most Americans possible?

[@CrabLap-xb8cm]

Wouldn't ONE flag (red white blue) be enough?

[@Pantifaximile]

@@CrabLap-xb8cm like the union Jack?

[@hvyarms4496]

So you don't want to be represented like literally every other country on earth 😅 America's so political, it decides to be not political at all!! 😂

[@dj_sonick1596]

No, a flag that represents all Americans is the flag that they are objectively a part of. Just because a chinese person may not like their country, doesnt mean the flag doesnt represent them as they are (on birth certificate and citizenship) chinese. Also if you are in the US, in a state, and possibly in a city, those flags makes since.

[@Jaryism]

Let's think about this... okay, I'm a straight white male, Christian, etc. (basically everything the Left hates or self-hates lol, sadly it's true), but the "Pride Flag" in its essence is for Celebrating just about everything that goes against my "personal" beliefs. Again, I don't hate gay people, one of my best friends at work is gay, I try my best to love all human beings and treat everyone with respect always have for 32 years, but this flag is a celebration of sexual proclivities and a lifestyle that I just don't subscribe to or condone, if they do, kudos to them it's their right- but I didn't vote for this flag, nobody fought any wars for this flag, and it doesn't represent me at all the AMERICAN FLAG does though, which ALREADY includes people's freedom to live their life and express themselves how they see fit. The pride flag is completely unnecessary, it's just modern progressive virtue signaling at the highest level and should be removed, it's basically imperialistic in nature when it's getting put at the White House front and center above the American Flags, and we're now lecturing other countries like Hungary about their lack of LGBTQ+.. sry but fuck off America, let democracies in other countries who vote for their own rules do whatever the f they want, if their culture in Europe or Africa doesn't f with this pride stuff leave them the f alone.

[@navarone4031]

Lawyer Confronts Destiny! but is just Pisco

[@Aravanus]

6:30 *Pisco joins* Oh jesus, how did I know it was going to be him? How fucking cancerous is his take gonna be? I can just feel it.

[@giacoyt4147]

I think the interesting question to pose to those who support this is “so you’ll be okay when a republicans in office and raises a MAGA or blue lives matter flag?” I think that’s the real problem here is that I would rather not have our government buildings be an advertising board for political messaging that depends on who’s in office

[@grizzlyadamblack]

Government flags on government property period

[@professorpancakes6545]

All flags are dumb. Hate it when people fly national flags as if they’ll forget what country they’re in.

[@grizzlyadamblack]

@@professorpancakes6545 People fly them to show support and unity. Just cause you've never showed any support or unity doesn't mean other people don't. Sitting on your ass and typing out u support something isn't the same thing that's slacktivism ✌

[@professorpancakes6545]

@@grizzlyadamblack No slacktivism, I don’t support the American flag…

[@grizzlyadamblack]

@@professorpancakes6545 I never said u did

[@Malovus]

I'm a regular semen slurper but can't stand any of this pride stuff

[@Astrussy]

It’s all pretty silly but it’s just as silly to get upset about it

[@user-cd4ms6cf8l]

You're not alone there dog 😮

[@cryptocaesar8972]

It’s important for gay people to speak up about lgbt stuff being in the wrong so people see it’s not all gays. Keep it up.

[@JukemDrawles87]

As a conservative, videos like this are why I watch destiny more and more lately. We need common sense and truth these days

[@cosette999]

Conservative beliefs are definitely making strange bedfellows from a wide range of people nowadays.

[@JackGrin]

Why is this even a question? It's obvious you should be flying flags that represent the nation, not subsections of it, as the government, and by extensions their building, should represent the entire country/state/city

[@ObiWhiffs]

IMO Destiny has the right take, but I think he hasn't said the reason how he means. A flag on a government property should represent a location's allegiance to the military and governing body of a specific nation. When flag's on government property start to represent identities of the people within the nation then anything goes because everyone will need feel represented.

[@loganjackson675]

Exactly, which is why things like the Pride flag or the religious flags are redundant at best and divisive at worst. All of those people that it represents already fall under the American or State flags, whereas a Ukraine flag would be a public show of support to a new and outside group of people who aren’t currently represented. This is even setting aside the obvious connection that the Pride flag has with specific political activism vs an apolitical “LGBT people” flag that might be viewed differently if it existed.

[@smeminem1258]

in defense of "in god we trust" on courthouses, it sounds hard as fuck

[@Grumpini]

Surprised neither Pissco or Destiny brought up that it's unconstitutional due to the first amendment.

[@117Ender]

its like ppl saying god bless you, if AOC says that to a member of congress cause they sneezed are you gonna argue that she brought religion to state grounds and etc...or is it just a phrase/figure of speech that holds no religious sway

[@Spookykidshow]

@@Blaze6108 what about the 1st amendment they cant tell you not to be religious

[@TheRayzerBandit]

@@117Ender Theres a bit of a difference in that analogy considering one is an interpersonal exchange between two people and the other being a permanent display of a phrase that directly contradicts the bill of rights and the first amendment.

[@JackPorter]

in god we thrust Coomstiny

[@blueblazer9991]

Can't believe Destiny doesn't immediately kick Pisco from the call when he starts talking like that

[@silenceyouidiot]

Doesn't Destiny view Pisco as his authoritative source on anything legalese for some reason?

[@hudson8954]

Its so cringe to listen to him

[@hvyarms4496]

It's Piscos stream now 😅

[@chronographer]

Destiny has hours of stream to fill!

[@Jake-zg1ue]

Actual piss take from the piss-co

[@nathanhill6618]

To think that only reps break norms is completely crazy. McConnel is stupid but would it be OK if he put Garland up for vote and no reps voted to confirm him?

[@MultiSpeedMetal]

This guy wants the pride flag flown on public property so he's desperately trying to come up with a way to justify. Completely emotional with zero consistency.

[@thedunator]

If you have the power to block the opposite parties ability to nominate, then you need to start making deals. You don’t just get to do whatever you want. These dudes are clueless.

[@note4note804]

I feel like the issue is that flags are separate from people making declarations because a political figure speaking on an issue is always going to be treated as a personal matter, but a government building showing solidarity with an issue looks like the city/state/country is supporting that, even if a lot of the population disagrees. It's easier to say, "I dont care what Biden says" versus dealing with the symbol of the presidency of your country waving a flag you find contentious.

[@kiranthomlinson3056]

He was voted into power by the majority, pro lgbt views are the majority held view, I’m not sure what your problem here is. And you hit it right on with the state showing support, that’s the entire point.

[@La0bouchere]

@@kiranthomlinson3056 If trump got voted in via majority in 2024, you'd say this about the maga flag at the whitehouse?

[@kiranthomlinson3056]

@@La0bouchere of course, I would actually love if he did that, because America is weird and you guys can just choose not to vote, so if it actually wasn’t popular with the American people it rally up bigger support next election cycle for the opposition, like wise if it was popular he would gain more support. Also for the record pride flag and maga flag is a false equivalence. While both aren’t state or country flags that doesn’t mean they are the same. The pride flag represents real people who’s experience is backed in full by the scientific community, it is purely a political war not a scientific one, the pride flag doesn’t represent “trans-women in cis sport” which is at odds with current science, it represent “trans women exist” which is understood and agreed upon within science. MAGA just represent an ideology and political party, although to reiterate I’d still be fine with it hung up

[@note4note804]

@@kiranthomlinson3056 You accidently hit the nail on the head with the problem with flags in general in your last paragraph. What you just wrote is what you believe the flag stands for, not what the flag stands for. People think the American flag can stand for war, oppression, freedom, liberty, late-stage capitalism, etc. If someone waves a pride flag around and says, "Trans people deserve compassion" and another person waves the pride flag and says, "Trans children deserve gender affirming care", then the flag stands for both of those things equally, like it or not. The issue with a city/state/country waving a MAGA flag is that it doesn't represent what the President thinks, it endorses what Qanon and every extreme position held by that flag, and the same thing applies to the pride flag, which is why both are equally a bad idea to be flown on government property.

[@kiranthomlinson3056]

@@note4note804 I don’t know if you didn’t read my first paragraph but I think all flags should be allowed to be flown. It can endorse whoever, and if who it does endorse is the majority the party stays in if not they get kicked out, that’s democracy, granted hanging a confederate flag would empower white supremacists which to say the least wouldn’t be ideal, although in all honesty that would be a world where this politician has already been voted in with their political beliefs known (ideally), so if it’s what the people want then… although granted this is not really considering human rights, the pride flag to the bet of my knowledge doesn’t really represent violations of human rights, a confederate flag would, a maga flag not necessarily so I think more valid to hang then a confederate, however less then a pride if you get my point. Although also I don’t necessarily agree with the flags differing meaning thing, of course I agree they do, however when the government body does it, it’s not ambiguous what they mean, you look at their policies and such and can easily discern what it is they are actually representing when they hang the flag.

[@anev7163]

Only place pride flag really might be appropriate is on a toilet paper roll

[@gr3atestthink3r86]

Not even that.

[@n1fffan]

i feel Destiny made a bad call with the hypothetical congressional law. passing a law that would REQUIRE government property to display the pride flag during pride month would be a really bad law.

[@limitbreak2966]

My take is that since they banned every non government flag such as religious flags,political group flags, ethnic/ racial flags AS WELL as pride flags, then that’s fine. If it SPECIFICALLY targeted pride flags yet allowed religious stuff and political crap; as well as racial flags, then that would be bullshit.

[@jfm.d5180]

Pisco is a solid example of how a C student can become a lawyer

[@lucas9751]

Its not even an ideological thing, i dont care about the political conversations surrounding the pride flag. The issue for me is just that you cant pick one group to represent like that. Youd have to then individually represent them all. So instead of having countless flags that represent every conceivable group that makes claim, itd be far easier to fly a flag that represents all of those groups at once.

[@Lolbert_Tarian]

What is so hard for regressives to understand? Governments should not be promoting any religious, ethnic, or social group over any others. $100 the people whining about the pride flag being banned will be the first people there demanding any flag promoting an ideology they disagree with be banned. And the point will completely fly over their heads as to why the pride flag was banned. But they will just say it's some kind of ist/phobe/ism.

[@joshuaoverlord5327]

They go ape shit if a civilization fly a nazi flag

[@phillycezaarr9963]

I’m still trying to figure which side I’m on, I align more with Democrats but I raised Republican and I still feel some kind of way when ppl talk shit on Republicans, idk if that’s bc I think about my parents or what but yea idk. I can’t imagine any side being evil though, of course I could be wrong bc I am a normie that doesn’t know much about the gov.

[@meth3rlence]

Pisco proving that anybody can become a lawyer ;) But seriously... how the hell was such a simple concept such a long ass debate? Destiny was right from the first second and got literally zero logical rebuttals beyond "but I support this thing and not that thing"

[@shawnmcmanus2623]

This dude got immediately dunked on once the questioning reversed

[@agcarmich]

Ya, he even said, "I wouldn't be ok with democrats withholding a dept ceiling raise to get what they want." No kidding. He doesn't care about the dept ceiling being raised so why would you want that. I don't want the dept going up, so I want the democrats to do that.

[@shizuoheiw]

I never really cared about non governement flags being flown as long as they are not more prominent or above the American Flag or the relevant state flag That said, the left lost any standing it has on this topic when they went after the confederate flags so hard, and if anyone reads this and says "but that flag is racist" your argument amounts to flags I like on government buildings are ok but flags I don't like are not ok, which is not a principled position

[@reddillon8425]

Flying the confederate flag at a US building is like flying a nazi flag there, not because of any racism comparisons or anything like that, but because that is the flag of an enemy of the united states which we won a war against.

[@Chelbasaur]

The reason Steven stated for only supporting the American flag, city/municipality, and state flag is exactly what I was thinking. We all have something that unites us when we have different cultures, different races, different lifestyles, etc. We are all Americans, living in ____ state in ______ city. There shouldnt be preferential statements to one subgroup of people being celebrated or favored while other groups would never even be considered to be allowed the same.

[@Marvins_Gaye]

What Destiny gets wrong is that flags are symbols. The Pride flag represents inclusion and support. The MAGA flag represents exclusion. Make America Great for who?🤔 Yes, The Confederate flag and American flag are technically both symbols, however they hold ENTIRELY different messages and agendas. Germany flies the Pride flag, but outlawed the Nazi flag strictly because of what the symbols represent. They are not the same Destiny lol Big fan and don’t disagree much, except on this issue you’re trying to be more centrist.

[@ab-hx8qe]

Is pisco really a lawyer or is he just an internet lawyer?

[@SportsCalculator]

are bad takes common from him?

[@ab-hx8qe]

@@SportsCalculator not sure, haven’t seen too much content from him to be sure and the few that I have seen it seemed like he was playing devils advocate for the sake of the discussion.

[@117Ender]

@@ab-hx8qe no he makes bad takes and then comes out saying well i playing devils advocate and etc...its his motte and bailey, he says stupid things, and then walks it back constantly saying it was DA arguement and etc... he never says it upfront that way when he looks dumb he can run to save credibility

[@socraytes]

Pisco is a lawyer, but so is Sunny Hostin of The View

[@Immor7alBG]

He's an actual lawyer. I think he works for oil companies or something. People sometimes shit talk him for that and that's how I know. Might be some other business but it's definitely one that deals in polution or something.

[@redshift912]

Pisco just wanted destiny to be outraged .

[@Redyqar]

Pisco is so hypocritical/obtuse it is unreal.

[@deathbycognitivedissonance5036]

He's just a completely radical partisan. He'll say as much.

[@Redyqar]

@@franklingoodwin >And so is Destiny How so? > you agree with him so it's OK once again where is Destiny hypocrisy? For Pisco it is very simple for both hypocrisy and obtuseness. For hypocrisy just look at the maga/pride flag question. And for obtuseness look at how he constantly tries to misrepresent Destiny's og point.

[@afabor]

I’m convinced Pisco was just talking to argue literally talking from his ass

[@razzle_dazzle]

@@Redyqar That's not an example of Pisco's supposed hypocrisy. He said he wouldn't support Trump putting up a MAGA flag, not that he shouldn't be allowed to do it.

[@Redyqar]

@@razzle_dazzle Relistened that part and yes he does say it. So feel free to ignore hypocrisy part, still he is giga obtuse and still no examples of Destiny being any of the two.

[@Direktorhkbergdahl]

You americans are so weird about flags

[@TheWinterfox10]

I found Pisco's line of questioning rather confounding to the issue. Usually, I can follow his logic, but I felt like Destiny's take was pretty straightforward. Pride flags on government property are unacceptable because not every American is LGBTQ+

[@InfanteFitness]

Ironically, the filibuster on judges was broken by Dems.

[@117Ender]

facts, it was schumer that decided to load the gun with the supreme court etc...and mitch said you loaded it as a threat ill pull the trigger...dont play politics, play the game instead of changing the rules

[@jcoxy1057]

Destiny is spot on with his take on pride flags.

[@jcoxy1057]

@@franklingoodwinnope he’s spot on. You’re just soft and not open minded to people with your same political ideology slightly differing from you. Shows how emotionally driven your opinions are, Franklin.

[@dylanlloyd4483]

@@jcoxy1057 Yes he’s the one upset about disagreement lol. All he said was he was wrong and a hypocrite. You’re the one who’s unironically angry over him disagreeing with Destiny lmao

[@hawk622]

@@franklingoodwinif you think the pride flag should be flown then religious flags should be able to be flown on public property. Flags of identity groups should not be flown on government property period. That is consistent, you are the hypocrite if you think the pride flag should be flown but no other identity group is able to do so. It is a double standard because you like one identity group over another

[@jcoxy1057]

@@hawk622this guy gets it! Lol

[@SubtleHawk]

I just don't see the meaningful difference between like putting up pride flags to celebrate Pride Month and putting up Christmas decorations to celebrate Christmas. Should the White House and state governments stop putting up Christmas trees in December?