Offering The Red Pill To Aba & Preach

Destiny talks to Aba & Preach about relationships, consent, MTGOW, Joe Rogan/Jordan Peterson, feminism, incels, plus more...
Follow Destiny
►STREAM - www.destiny.gg/bigscreen
►DISCORD - discordapp.com/invite/destiny
►REDDIT - / destiny
►INSTAGRAM - / destiny
Aba & Preach
► / iprojectatlas
Relationship Problems and Past Mistakes - Talking w/ Social Psychologist Gamer
► • Relationship Problems ...
Check Out My Amazon: www.amazon.com/shop/destiny
Buy My Merch: dggstore.com/
0:00 - Teaser/Intro
0:45 - Filthy Robot convo & tech issue (SKIP INTRO)
2:42 - No consequences for saying "no"
6:52 - Patriarchy hurt women AND men, self esteem
18:30 - Shaming women vs men
26:41 - Acknowledging difference in treatment of men vs women
34:41 - Why men flock to Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson
56:32 - Flirting is cringe for EVERYONE
1:07:30 - Both sides play to their side and no middle ground

[@destiny]

EDITOR'S NOTE: If you guys don't want to like, comment and subscribe. That's okay. There are no consequences... 😊🔪

[@T2G-DJT]

You’re lying MonkaW

[@tamro9701]

monkaW Great video!

[@terratale-leavingsoon-2999]

editor here ain’t making promises for ALL OF US, y’all better like, comment, subscribe, AND share, OTHERWISE YALL GONNA GET BEAT

[@T2G-DJT]

@@jjopl SUS!!!

[@arkadipmaitra]

This camera style is good.

[@neonhvit]

this debate feels very unfair, theres 2 Destiny's and only one Aba

[@BlackReaperGames]

its okay, destiny is a girls name

[@simonekohlschitter9402]

@@BlackReaperGames BETAAAAAAA

[@Epok97]

Dude I had to delete my comment, I was thinking the same thing.

[@Parktrizzle]

The internet can't handle two Aba's

[@sheepketchup9059]

@@BlackReaperGames are you trying to imply that being a girl means that you're less competent than a guy therefore makes it fair? That's sexist.

[@mitchellhiggins8938]

Im convinced destiny just knows everyone who i watch personally

[@WanBelltrum]

It's probably not just correlations

[@TheStraightGod]

@@WanBelltrum I think she does man, she probably checked this person's account thinking they were the real Metro Boomin and found out who they were listening to and talk to them in the hope of being noticed by who she thought was Metro Boomin. EDIT: Pronouns

[@monlomjampa]

@@TheStraightGod does destiny go by she/her?

[@danielpearson3829]

@@monlomjampa Destiny IS a girls name.

[@dothx6374]

@@danielpearson3829 AMAZIN

[@rackman2262]

These guys bounce off each other really well. You better not burn this one destiny

[@frosy1180]

There's no bridge to begin with, this was just a conversation between two people, end of it

[@matthewpershing5128]

@@frosy1180 Destiny fan moment

[@fighterck6241]

@@frosy1180 He burns those too... Destiny hates it when things start getting chummy.

[@pargonyan]

@@frosy1180 would you say it was transactional?

[@frosy1180]

@@pargonyan That doesn't really seem to apply here so I'm just inclined to answer "what?". seems like a lot of people love to throw a lot of infantile nonsense about 2 people they hardly know anything about.

[@zoruxma]

Never expected this crossover between Content Creators!

[@buddhapilled1993]

Same

[@kaildraconis]

Definitely a collab i didnt know i needed lol

[@turbulentprofessor4607]

It's kind of amazing!

[@AfroDJack]

Exactly, I watch both of them, so it's very mind blowing to see them doing a colab.

[@lamontkhoza2856]

Honestly

[@dafeels3085]

This video sparked a years long friendship with Aba and the beginning of the red pill saga.

[@Queef_Storm]

Was this Destiny’s first video with Aba?

[@ElementalDj]

@@Queef_Storm Yep

[@keepinthecabbage4477]

This is easily the most constructive conversation on this topic that I have seen.

[@coreyaruecker]

I believe aba in particular is a very productive communicator

[@kolbiashi1387]

@@coreyaruecker Him alongside Destiny is a power couple of relevant and digestible analogies and constructive conversation. Just beautiful.

[@ItsPsy_]

Yah I can tell because it all made sense and didn't use some bullshit

[@iigeminiii3754]

Fantastic communication skills between the two of them

[@coreyaruecker]

@@kolbiashi1387 Coming back and seeing my original comment, I feel I haven't given Destiny his due. I think he's great here too. It's a cool crossover. Destiny was my favourite Starcraft streamer and player like 8ish years ago so it's so weird to be listening to him talk this far along but in a completely different context. He's grown a ton since then but he also feels like an old friend at the same time.

[@charlieg9370]

This dude is chill asf, more convo's with aba plz

[@charleyb8612]

You should go to his channel dude is awesome

[@googlename3859]

@@charleyb8612 Aba and Preach are funny as hell and talk a lot of sense

[@JBPVFL]

Yeah, Aba and preach shoot it pretty close down the middle. Love listening to people when I feel like I agree and disagree with them

[@diego032912]

Yeah Aba and Preach are great people to watch, because they do politics every once in awhile but since politics aren’t their main focus you get a unique prospective from both of them.

[@crowley3000]

he’s hot

[@Zofirael]

tired of people infantilizing women to the point where nothing is even their choice or their fault, and all responsabilities are put on men, including reading women's minds...

[@gunfighter3609]

Duuuude, I found Abba and Preach when I was at my most angry, and they brought me back while feeling like someone out there understood the problems I was going through. Put a lot of stuff in perspective. Those two do some great stuff.

[@cracktoon_powerscaling]

Bruh, so basically you're an incel

[@IBBMS]

@@cracktoon_powerscaling Literally, what an embarrassing admission.

[@erenrathe4293]

@@cracktoon_powerscaling or was

[@imanigordon6803]

@@cracktoon_powerscaling so basically your judging him and not understanding him like the discussion in the video 😂

[@gunfighter3609]

Yall real mad lol. Stay triggered I guess

[@DietrichMischke]

Too early to read the comments :/ need to form my own opinion now

[@taylortek5031]

Lol same

[@TheGIGACapitalist]

Watch the video at 2.0X to form your own opinions twice as fast

[@culturedvulture2015]

you're a smart boy aren't you?

[@drodi7320]

Big true

[@sharsasuke01]

Destiny lost the debate regardless. Don't you know this by now?

[@nickmorris2930]

I really hope this video blows up all over the place for no fucking reason cause this dialogue feels very important to me. They do a great job of talking about how It seems like almost all the problems our polarized society has is that we dont understand the other side and always assume the other side is wrong or your side is right. Also more social problems are only problems because of miscommunication. This whole video is just a breath of fresh air

[@yellowtitan6040]

Facts

[@iangolddust1039]

sadly it won't because it doesn't fit any popular narrative, because everyone loves to be on polar opposites nice!!!! gotta love modern society!!!

[@weebtrash6119]

1000%, it was extremely refreshing for me being more aligned towards the right wing, because my perception of lefties was embodied by the delusional-detached from reality leftists that get amplified on social media. Once I saw how reasonable and logic driven Destiny was, that kept me around as a viewer and made me realize most left leaning people are a lot more tethered to reality then the media lead me to believe. This conversation gives me hope. So many great points and great topics in this conversation.

[@idkman2633]

Tbh most millennial men and women will never change their behavioral dichotomy. And that’s fine. The next gens will, if Hollywood can successfully brand it that is

[@weebtrash6119]

@@idkman2633 TRU

[@truchiraqian]

Aba and Preach get recommended to me: 2 days later:

[@welldonesir3996]

It’s weird

[@BreadSlayer]

Same

[@grayson0916]

SAME

[@mmckenzie8940]

they are not that good the just whine alot about vary Anecdotal shit.

[@BreadSlayer]

@@mmckenzie8940 no they don't whine they preach 😎

[@astrodude9146]

Yo this is the best crossover ever 😭

[@buddhapilled1993]

Fr

[@maggiepaul5911]

Ong 🙏🏿 I've been waiting for this.

[@Questtv4981]

you missed the AMAZIN one with JLP lol

[@Priinsu]

If a woman ever tried to approach me and make the first move Idk about anyone else but, I would be inclined to believe something was up. It just doesn't happen.

[@kevinhulk1]

My best friend says he gave up on approaching women and that he would only let women approach him.and I couldn't help but think its a fruitless endeavor.cause I've almost never seen that happen

[@Priinsu]

@Armando Martinez delusional?

[@Hemestal]

@socially unacceptable It's because we're not used to it. Most women have so many options to choose from and if I'm not particularly a Henry Cavil lookalike, there's no good reason for a female to approach me, so my knee-jerk reaction would be to imply that something is up, and I'm about to get scammed or robbed. It is a prejudice, because I'm making a judgement of character without context, but that's the way many of us protect ourselves from getting played. It's a sad state of affairs, but it is what it is.

[@kubasniak]

I had this couple times happen to me. Felt weird.

[@rainofkhandaq6678]

Women who approach, are aggressive, it's a masculine action. That is not a dynamic that will link well when it comes to a relationship or family, many women from a biological level want a Man who is more masculine, otherwise they will resent him eventually.

[@BOICLUTCH]

I haven't been this excited for a crossover since Jimmy Neutron and Timmy Turner

[@grayson0916]

Iconic reference

[@1Diddums]

Timmy was a bic doe still.

[@viralparadise1541]

I still have nightmares about 3D Timmy Turner

[@sweettea3879]

@@viralparadise1541 Cartoon Jimmy tho🥵

[@chimpwimp9407]

That Jimmy Timmy Power Hour.

[@coffeepot3123]

This is the first time I've heard Steven talk in detail about the domestic abuse he received from his ex wife, this low-key breaks my heart.

[@AyleidCraft]

Kinda deserved it for being a beta

[@coffeepot3123]

@@AyleidCraft Damn, talk about a failed attempt at being funny. yikes.

[@AyleidCraft]

@@coffeepot3123 It wasn’t a joke.

[@mr.thongsong8473]

Cry about it fig

[@coffeepot3123]

​@@AyleidCraft You got to have parental permission to create a YT account young man.

[@Whomoon11]

This was one of my favourite convos you’ve had, Destiny. And now I’ve a new guy to watch too.

[@eneiban6503]

Yess super happy to see Aba showing up with more creators all over the place :)

[@dr.love_love1664]

Who else a fan of destiny and Aba and preach and been dreaming of this colab?

[@youreinthematrix87]

yo quiero mi morena

[@buddhapilled1993]

Same

[@SuperCockgoblin]

I like both. Can’t say I ever though of them working together but I’m glad it happened

[@aarifali4078]

Same bruh

[@bbbbbbb51]

Not subbed to either, but I deeply respect them. They're both good at accurately representing 2 sides of an argument & that alone is sadly enough to be really refreshing online.

[@reyalexandro]

So weird... I was just in a binge watching them last week. Never expected this crossover ever.

[@tomgjgj]

Same here... Are we being watched? Fuck, dumb question.

[@edwardbach5538]

@M S He and his friend state their opinions on very far left media through the lens of two average black dudes.

[@agent4349]

You know, legitimate conversations are underrated these days. Nice work.

[@stainSqaud]

I just found aba from his video about the strangers decide who gets the 1000 and became a fan instantly. Dude is so down to earth and he’s definitely gained an instant fan

[@torihawthorne6732]

Thank you Aba and Steven for having this conversation. I have yet to see any other people have such real talks about legitimate issues. Very hopeful about the future. We need more people to do this..

[@swatchcovers5401]

Oh shit! I’ve been peepin aba and preaches stuff for a minute now.

[@buddhapilled1993]

Same

[@swatchcovers5401]

@@buddhapilled1993 I feel like they're so much more down to earth than other creators. It's a nice perspective change

[@accountanonymous8969]

Yeah they're great

[@swatchcovers5401]

@UCNi7uiIelNVVyh21coZ73jw I have my issues with some of their takes but they're quite far removed from the tim pools and sargons on the platform in my opinion.

[@ukaszpoprawa2175]

@@swatchcovers5401 the weird stuff is that they almost universally loved by both sides. i mean it's not weird this guys are based af.

[@SuperCockgoblin]

Surprising crossover Def not mad at it

[@skerrkro2952]

who is def

[@anonfalco7880]

@@skerrkro2952 Def means Definitely

[@skerrkro2952]

@@anonfalco7880 I was making a joke

[@naturalbeauty_maria]

I hope to see more these in the future. I love a no BS conversation where there is nothing but respect between 2 parties. This duo just does something for me mentally these days.

[@gandalfandferg280]

Holy shit, these 2 person convos are so much better than panel shows.

[@lordvoldemort3099]

Watching destiny delayed on screen was very interesting

[@angelrodriguez5660]

Delaystiny

[@auto1nfanticid3]

less interesting and more stupid, considering his face in the corner isnt lagging.

[@goatmeal5241]

The tentative D&D invite at the end was heartwarming.

[@CrabQuesadilla]

It's not just gender roles shaming women out of having sex. We're more likely to get infections from sex. Those infections are more likely to be damaging since they're internal. We're more likely to get physically hurt. Sex can be painful to us. And then there's pregnancy.

[@MrJones-rb8qp]

This was an awesome conversation. I love talks like this and I learned a lot. Thanks destiny and Aba🙏🏾

[@RealmRabbit]

Destiny has this thing I've noticed where he'll sometimes end a point he's making by saying "Yeah." as if to agree with the point he himself just made... Just kinda a funny thing

[@David-im3sb]

I see it as a reaffirmation of what he just said, I do it too, I usually do it subconsciously though.

[@David-im3sb]

It does come off goofy though

[@AvWoN]

Just a sign that he is reflecting on the things that just came out of his mouth and if he stands by it or if by the end he feels different towards any of it, this is the point where he will amend something that he feels came off wrong or doesnt make sense once given a one-over. This is a good/wise character trait to have imo.

[@albertorodriguez3927]

The other is "but... idk"

[@blinkanddie3397]

I haven't really noticed this, are you sure it's not the other person talking while Destiny is talking? And then Destiny responding quickly and then carrying on? Do you have a time stamp of where he does it?

[@Someone-ye2xb]

I am a woman who has approached men and have been rejected. I felt horrible at that moment, but later on you just forget it. In a way I can sympathize with men when they call woman ugly after getting rejected when they did go for the uglier girl because they thought that they can score, however enough though I been in a similar situation and felt I should have called him ugly, I didn't. So, even though I can understand where that comes from, I do not think there is a reason to go that low.

[@figueromusic6024]

What I love about this crossover is that you are providing the space to talk about these issues. I would love to hear more civil conversations like this and bring some women too so we can hear their views on our views!

[@arkfille]

Hope Destiny and this dude keep interacting, they have good chemistry

[@xosova]

As a woman it's very informative to hear a man's point of view on these subjects.

[@SQUELCH-zj7il]

Yeah but very rarely are men this logical and not triggered lol. Except Vaush

[@skerrkro2952]

As a deaf person I am unable to hear anything

[@DanielNyong]

@@SQUELCH-zj7il Why do I as a man see the opposite? We aren’t communicating smh.

[@SQUELCH-zj7il]

@@DanielNyong You're triggered because you relate. When I say rarely, I mean men on yt on this kind of topic.

[@DanielNyong]

@@SQUELCH-zj7il How am I triggered? I was nice to you, I simply meant my experience is COMPLETELY different from yours. I was being empathetic and said we need to communicate more. I meant that as a solution and not a criticism. Yet you attack me with accusations, further proving my point. If you misunderstood what I said. Make me clarify, men don’t want to fight with you. We just want to understand.

[@Mitchincredible]

I got groped by a dude at a trans vigil. He said something along the lines of "Why are you here if you're not gay?" I still support rights of all people, but I get there's prickles in every pear.

[@lordoflobsters7254]

thats some fucked up shit

[@Subgenrelol]

Jeeeeez man, what the fuck

[@chickenandksivideoreviewer9739]

I think we should set a precedent where you punch people in the face thrice if they do that shit

[@blondebomber-qo2uy]

Idk if that happened

[@veritasabsoluta4285]

@@blondebomber-qo2uy Of course you don't

[@Hazamatoxin]

Man this conversation felt EXTREMELY GRATIFYING TO WATCH, because it highlights so perfectly why I hate how the internet deals with men/men's issues. On one side you have the red pill/right-wing/ MRA MGTOW dudes who acknowledge very real mens issues before using it as a way to start sexist anti- women messaging/propaganda. While the very online left just doesn't give a fuck, they always say they do, but they straight up don't and in fact if you try to bring them up as a lefty you usually get called and incel weirdo and always like to do the whole men are evil, men are trash bull shit. So one side uses mens issues as a way to push their sexist bullshit while the otherside just doesn't give a damn out side of the tired trotted out feminist line "FEMINISM IS FOR MEN TOO BECAUSE MEN CAN'T CRY OR SHOW EMOTION DUE TO THE PATRIACHY" (don't get me wrong that is all very true but mens issues go far beyond we can't cry or show emotion lol).

[@lonewaer]

The left side of it is why I separated myself completely from womanism. Let me rephrase that : I was a womanist, and womanism red pilled me. I pointed out one contradiction in a discussion, and was met with "you're the problem", to which I responded "alright, fuck you to you too". It was a last straw kind of thing, but still. Now I'm in a phase where if womanists want me to acknowledge their (actual) issues, I will have conditions first. The struggle now for me is to not over correct and swing to the complete other end of the pendulum, because like Aba said, the RP brings up things that are very true, and actually impossible to deny if one is honest with data presented, and that nobody else talks about. The struggle is basically "how far is too far ?", and it's not that simple. Anything the RP acknowledges is considered sexist by the left, but factually it's not. What some do with it can be actually sexist, yes, but… beyond that this it's just leftist fantasy.

[@reinhartgregory]

Tbh as a guy who have been a Feminist and seen Redpill content I'm confused that its always the crazy incels that say stupid shit is seen as "redpill" like who is saying misogynistic shit? Like who?

[@Shilpa_Kujur]

Well, I do see why some people treat it like that. There are men who don't seem very strong and dominant but still get into relationships whilst facing that hardship of not being able to understand what women want and them not ever taking the first step. It's hard but you can make it. Not everyone goes to Jordan Peterson or Joe Rogan. Those people then seem to think these people are somewhat overreacting. I do agree that it's not the right way to deal with it but some of them do address these problems but they don't think that redpill, Jordan Peterson or Joe Rogan are the correct places to go to for this.

[@magicdragon9621]

Almost every male friend of mine has told me a woman has hit and emotionally abused them. And they just don't see it as a big deal, and are shocked when I react at how disgusting it is that that was done to them. I try and reassure them that it's not normal or acceptable for women to treat men like that, because they very much so just expect that "crazy" girl behavior out of every girl. No a real woman would never hurt their partner, same as a real man never would.

[@Sushi-Katana]

Almost every one? Your buddies deal with psychos. lol

[@WanderTheNomad]

Destiny has been having a lot of good(imo) talks lately, but this has been my favorite one.

[@kebabfoto]

imagine discovering this conversation when you're 19, that would be soooo good

[@jarissanz9349]

Im 19 and it feels like im watching this too late

[@kebabfoto]

i'm happy for you guys!

[@ukaszpoprawa2175]

yup, 20 from singlemother household. it's nice to see that some older man had the same feeling like i had, also some new good points to think about. Sometimes i felt like i was insane for seeing some stuff, and i feel like i was just gaslight by woman in my life. It's a big relieve.

[@nikolairose2739]

fuck no. This is some beta shit. Take the red pill yes, but Destiny is not red pill.

[@Jacob.Strauss]

@@nikolairose2739 Take the red pill from who then?

[@coolbanana165]

One time I suggested to a few women that it would make sense if men and women paid half each on a date. Because equality. I was genuinely shocked by all of them thinking that was a crazy idea. Just surprised how many women don't actually care about equality in a principled way.

[@lolanaenamilo2395]

It is years of conditioning colliding with logic. Sometimes with those issues you will have those struggles. Men have a similar struggle with genuinely respecting women

[@fabiobalassia]

@Unmukt Joshi Same in France, and yes it'd be fair to say most women are feminist over here.

[@SQUELCH-zj7il]

Paying for a date does not mean that the woman in question does not believe in equality. Its just a date, quit being dramatic.

[@blindeagleace3629]

I don't think women should pay "half" for the date if she didn't produce half. Let's say you are at a restaurant; a the guy gets 40 dollars worth of stuff and the girl gets 15 dollars worth of stuff. It wouldn't be fair for both of them to pay "half". Assuming all things equal then I can see both parties paying half but I think that's very unrealistic. Men normally get more food or stuff. Women don't really do that. I think a more simpler approach would be just one person pay for dinner and the other person pay for gas money and they can alternate on different dates.

[@coolbanana165]

@@blindeagleace3629 Well yeah, the assumption was that the costs were equal. 😁 Also, it could be a movie ticket, or whatever, rather than a meal, which are typically the same for all involved.

[@jesse1018]

First time viewer of Destiny's channel. Only 36 min in and I'm pleasantly surprised how he addressed both men's and women's issues without crossing into "woke" territory. Too often I hear people talk about men's issues followed by debasing women, and on the flip side discussions women's issues get followed by debasing men.

[@theperfectbeing]

Having a crazy abusive ex you share a kid with will shift the perception of any man

[@samij6071]

@@theperfectbeing And vice versa

[@michaelneilson977]

Nailed it! It started with being against modern feminists to being just like modern feminists in male form.

[@theyautjawarrior6652]

He does strike a very good balance

[@Bulletz4Breakfast13]

Yes, people are very self focused, and they usually identify with their genders struggles. Even when others are talking about female struggles all the time and ignoring yours (male experience), it can drive you to extremes. If only people can realize both struggles in different ways. Both sexs have an unfair experience. I hope both genders find a way to champion eachothers fight for change and embrace the other sides issues. If women seen men fighting for their issues and men seen women fight for theirs, there wouldn't be this dichotomy or polarization.

[@JACKWEASEL]

This might be one of the best videos you’ve done, very respectful, and very enjoyable to follow. Keep up the good work my guy!

[@valipunctro]

America's relation with sex is so weird to me.

[@valipunctro]

@@raidermaxx2324 you are probably right because the Brits are the same.i don't know about the other protestant countries, although isn't Holland protestant?

[@KHJohan]

Finally Destiny collabed with Steven

[@KokorkoJr]

Excellent. That really felt super-organic, very down to earth. Both were making great point, listening to each other and respectfully trying to converse. Want more content (and people) like that

[@__-bk6mm]

The chemistry here was awesome! Really like how they bounce off each other, and the open sharing and admitting faults it was refreshing!

[@marleygordon621]

OMGGGG YESSS THE CROSSOVER

[@zebarizvi9393]

so wonderful to watch you Destiny!!! you bring so much perspective and balance to the conversation which can sometimes be missing be missing with Aba and Preach (sometimes)

[@greeneightball]

What a effin' stellar conversation. This is centrism around complex issues as it should be done.

[@AnonYoBizness]

Yall got good Chemistry . Destiny channel just randomly got suggested to me and i instantly subscribed. Never regretted it. Aba and preach, Gah damn real ones know the grind for them to get here. More life.

[@henrywoolley3733]

Bruh this is the crossover I’ve always wanted but never thought would happen

[@goatmeal5241]

This is great, and extremely important. These two are very influential voices in navigating modern masculinity, and it's good to hear them talk.

[@randomcracka3]

That traffic analogy about feeling like you're moving backwards is a really good way to explain it. I've never heard that before and it helped me understand where a lot of that frustration from people is coming from. Thank you for this conversation. I think it will help a lot keeping thag in my mind when communicating about hot topics.

[@coryintheboof8730]

THIS WAS SUCH A GOOD VIS DESTINY < 3 really good pace, good listening+reciprocation and the flow of the conversation in general.

[@basedcentrist3056]

Been watching Aba and Preach for years, so cool to see him on and talking about some important stuff

[@dreaminginnoother]

I'm so glad Destiny is coming around to acknowledging the mismatch in the dating market while still holding feminist views. I have felt this way for a long time, but also hold progressive ideals, so it's satisfying to see him come to similar conclusions as me. I'm a big fan, so I feel vindicated. Especially since these convos are always complete denial of the problem, or total red pill alpha/beta nonsense. There's never any nuanced conversations about this.

[@cracktoon_powerscaling]

Saying "dating market" is so hilarious, I can't begin to imagine...

[@barnebyoconnell8176]

@@cracktoon_powerscaling Maybe you'll grasp new concepts one day, buddy.

[@Nazareadain]

@@cracktoon_powerscaling I also can't imagine your lack of imagination.

[@rothaarige3896]

Holding feminists views ensures you won't get poon.

[@lilcomment1946]

@@rothaarige3896 Wanting a woman only for sex when you know she wanted a relationship and you won’t get ”poon” Well no wonder why

[@Jeeoo]

Been waiting for this for such a long time! Kind of wished, it was longer. Great discussion!

[@tonunknown1]

MORE of this please. This was unexpected and great.

[@1999_reborn]

Ahhhh there’s too many Destiny videos I haven’t watched this week. Where to start?!

[@haremprotagonist3732]

This was a great discussion. Props to both of you.

[@JustN0tMe]

I saw this on Abas channel it was a very good discussion I hope more people in the future approach Destiny in this manner...doubt it tho😅

[@cruzvandewark]

thanks so much for this. this is going to give me and my bro somethings to talk about that might actually bring us together. my brain is growing!

[@Blahfliggertywiggle]

I honestly appreciate content like this so much. Aba and Preach literally helped pull me back to earth from the far-left cloud I was living on for a while. It's great to see people talking about things from a rational point of view, and not trying to demonize everyone who even slightly disagrees with them. I know both your channels get a lot of hate from people on both ends of the political spectrum, but I really appreciate that y'all don't cave into the pressure from either side. You don't see a lot of influencers keep that level of integrity in their content.

[@Furball_]

This was a very good conversation to listen to with so many good points and thoughts that I feel really need to be pushed forward if we as a species are ever going to make things better in regards to those topcis.

[@ItsJustMe0585]

Whoo!! Never thought I'd see a couple of my fav channels would crossover!!

[@treybates6828]

Ohh two of my favorite content creator's coming together

[@SEVRR]

legendary collab didnt expect this

[@yellowtitan6040]

This was an awesome and interesting conversation

[@rhegafd]

This is by far my favorite conversation to listen to of yours. It was nice to see you (Destiny) be less on the attack and more having a civil conversation. I dont mean for this to sound like an insult or anything. This was just enjoyable start to stop.

[@ec6621]

I suspect the reason men are so often checked when dealing with women is because as a class, they're physically bigger, stronger, faster than women. So women as a class are seen to "need" social support. But if a man slaps another man, then it's seen as a physical "equal". But it's the imbalance in physical power that will draw ire. For example, a healthy man in his 20s will be checked if he slaps a man in his 80s, or a man in a wheelchair. Yes, they're all men, but the physical power imbalance is evident. Conversely, if a woman with a gun is in a confrontation with a man with fists, then the physical power is in her favor. To which the question is "is she justified to have/use that gun?" because she is presumed to have started from a lower standing in power.

[@duesx_demon]

I came to this too but I realized sexism very deeply rooted in it as well

[@PomegranatePublisher]

Look how xtreme the example has to be. If 2 men r the same age but the slapper is 5'10 and the slapped 5'6 is it even? No but people still wont have the same reaction as a man slapping a woman

[@tb8654]

@@PomegranatePublisher exactly, dude pulled from almost literal opposites of the spectrum lol

[@Winasaurus]

@@tb8654 Ok so a grown bodybuilder with a gun slaps an 85 year old woman, I'm sure we can all see how this proves why men get checked more. I kid, of course, but yeah maybe not the best analogy. The point still stands.

[@ladychelseatheundead]

13:16 I proposed to my husband, and in my head, there was NO question he was going to say no, until the day of/the moment of, and holy hell, I didn't realize how terrifying it would be. And that's with someone that I was pretty damn confident was a sure thing (obviously, it worked out), so I do think this is an important conversation in touching on the roles men are supposed to assume and the expectations women have for them - did they make a move, did they try hard enough, did they chase me? We're supposed to live in a world of consent first, but we also have these cat and mouse dating games engrained in us as well, which then makes it impossible to know for sure what is real and what is part of the game.

[@itsbritneybitch9871]

This was such a good video. I would love to see such discussions more often.

[@theplanman2451]

Yoooo 2 of my favorite content creator in one stream lit I haven't been this excited since Jimmy neutron and fairy odd parents crossover

[@n3rdslife1864]

theres a book called "gender matters" that describes various physical and chemicl differences describing how and why women and men interface with the world differently. i think this book would have been great reading before this post. ex: there's a chapter when it is describes how females, across cultures and even in the chimpanzee species, tend to be more risk averse than males. in a leter chapter, the author describes how mens sexual attraction runs on testosterone, the hormone responsible for risky behavior, aggression, and muscle growth. it also describes how womens sexual drive runs on oxytocin, the chemical responsible for close familial attachment and "love". the chemical differences in how our bodies process attraction and assess risk lead to a circumstance where women are far less likely to take big risks, sexual or otherwise, and are more likely to desire sex if they're 1) ovulating and are super attracted to you or 2) feel a strong attachment. it makes sense that biology heavily influences our mating behaviors on an unconscious level. no matter what balancing agents we take as a society, wed literally have to either make womens arousal run on testosterone or mans arousal run on oxytocin to stop us from wanting different things.

[@clevernugget2031]

I make the first move almost always. I’ve had dudes say i wasn’t suppose to do that and it’s weird. I still do it. If I want you I want you I’m not gonna wait

[@rll1236]

I think that's a point they could've addressed too... a lot of chicks are called sluts for being proactive when it comes to their sexual needs. It's a vicious cycle

[@BlackReaperGames]

based

[@meownover1973]

Dude same. Men don't like it when women approach, they feel emasculated

[@duesx_demon]

@@meownover1973 that's def not the case in majority

[@RapidBlindfolds]

That sucks. Such an unproductive and toxic dynamic in heterosexual dating. A top comment on one of Aba and preach's videos was a guy saying 'I'm at the point where if a girl is into me its a red flag'...like wtf? do they not realise how stupid that is?

[@adriancarter2789]

heard about them yesterday and on your youtube today. perfect

[@ifSephirothwasemo]

Really great content in here! Thoroughly enjoyed this conversation!

[@rodrickaged4325]

really love this kinda content, i think its great to see a respectful great faith convo like this every once and a while

[@Alinchikk]

This is such an amazing collaboration and so refreshing to hear these topics from a male perspective. More of this please!

[@jefferywilson1810]

This was a great discussion. One of my favorites so far!

[@Antikileris2]

What a great video. I loved listening to your views so much and i think you guys should continue your topics!

[@ChipnDipz1]

Playing Bravely Default 2 and listening to the whole thing. I'm 100% glad you had this 1 on 1 with Aba, because there definitely are NOT that many good, healthy places to talk about men's perspectives on social issues without being labeled one way or another. I'll sub for that.

[@LetsLearnEconomic]

And I felt this personally, thank you...

[@jezupercy3029]

this is a genuinely great video with excellent content, thanks destiny & aba, keep up the solid work.

[@TeQuilloni]

Watched this on last night's stream. Top tier editor as always

[@jamesclement8985]

I get the critique of lack of daytime TV shows like "The View" with a target audience of men, but I think that critique ignores context. You have to remember a lot of these shows were incepted when it was more common for women to be at home while men were away at work. Even if some suggested the idea, the networks weren't going to pick up a "The View but for men", because most men would be at work during the hours when it would be on air. EDIT: And even now, with more women in the workplace, women more than men are still more likely to be at home. Thus there isn't a sizeable audience as of yet. In order words, the returns, in terms of viewership, in unlikely to be worth the investment. You gotta remember, the goal of TV networks is profit via ad revenue. It isn't social justice.

[@randomguy-ys1mu]

That's true but let's bring this example to the magazines.A lot of them are targeted to woman and there isn't a version for men.

[@jamesclement8985]

@@randomguy-ys1mu Ok. Let's bring it to magazines. MensHealth? GQ? Playboy? FHM. That's FOUR I could think of without much thought, and I'm sure there are many more. I live in the UK. One of the most widely circulated tabloid papers is The Sun. Have you heard of page 20? If you haven't, I implore you to look it up. It might change that assessment of yours that there isn't a magazine for men. (Please don't move the goalpost by responding "Well, there are more magazines targeted towards women" or something like that)

[@myagrimm4719]

That's a good point, I hadn't considered that. Why do you think that a "View for men" hasn't been created for an evening time show like after 5 when most people get home from work?

[@jamesclement8985]

@@myagrimm4719 The answer to your question is in your question: most people are at home in the evening. It would not make commercial sense to broadcast shows aimed primarily at men during these hours. This is why shows like The View are not broadcast in the evening. That timeslot (prime time) tends to be reserved for programmes the whole family (or at least couples) can watch.

[@theperfectbeing]

Those shows all suffer from toxic feedback loops and then being honed by sales/marketing to be even more ridiculous for more views. They'll even perpetuate things about attraction that women KNOW isn't true but they still clap. Saying things like men who do chores for their wives are just as sexy as men in uniform or classical masculine jobs like construction work, cowboy, etc. That's just bullshit and everyone knows it, there's not such thing as a male stripper dressing up as someone ready to do your dishes lolol

[@pascalecharette3870]

OK. I'm only 25 minutes in but I gotta say : DAMN this conversation is interesting!! The only frustrating thing is that I can't participate!! I now have to keep all of my thoughts to myself or make my friend watch the video and force them to talk to me after haha

[@defaultlogos2976]

Simple solution, find a big thread of people arguing over something, add your opinion and someone will be there to fight you tooth and nail, or you may find a reasonable person willing to talk. The only thing I can reccomend is avoiding politics, some people are a little too far on their own spectrums and willing to ruin you for step a little too close to the center. Though, people will still assume your political association by your views.

[@pascalecharette3870]

​@@defaultlogos2976 Haha See, that's the issue! Because I'm not one to avoid any type of subject matter- I'm actually the one who'll propose the complicated issues and topics. But, I really don't wanna have those conversations or debates with people who are completely unable to be reasonable and take into considerations the grey areas of any topic. I like when a conversation flows smoothly.. Without assumptions or accusations- only a few sentences in or, without the immediate "cancellation" at the first sign of a different opinion then your own etc. Keyboard warriors are often too quick to stick you in a box... They are quick to assume you belong to the "black" team or "white" team and don't acknowledge the possibility of grey- of a middle ground... Or if they do, they don't give it as much validity as a black or white stance. I might be rambling a bit too much but yeah! That's why I would love to pitch in on their conversation but will stay away from the threads under the comment sections haha

[@scotchwhisky6094]

Probably the most boring conversation on the planet, but you do you.

[@maggiepaul5911]

Omg I've been waiting for him to do this!!! Yoooo finally.

[@52392daner]

I like this conversation so much because both people can push back on the ideas presented by the other and still not end up with a conflict.

[@titanquest15]

Y'know, this felt weirdly wholesome to me.

[@jessicapace9689]

I think this is a much needed conver XD I very much enjoyed it , very informative. I knew most of the issues. But the way destiny and aba explained it amazing , especially Destiny ^_^ both really amazing points. Need a tv show or something where men can go to , to listen to.

[@darrelrichard5207]

Great discussion guys love it this conversation the world needs to have

[@shyatos]

Unreal content man. Been a big fan of the both of you for years! Looking forward to more in the future! (DND would be cool too)

[@zirene5237]

Hell yea I love Aba and Preach. These guys usually have a good amount of nuance in their videos and when they don't they explain their positions well. Funny as hell too.

[@titanscar2183]

Uzi if you're in this comment section thank you again for recommending Aba & Preach to me fam

[@zacharyklewin3603]

What an epic convo between two awesome creators

[@tendo6385]

OH MY GOD I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS

[@malcomhartgrove3645]

Thank you as a male who was sexually harassed a lot in high school and unable to to discuss the issue with other males or school staff including councilors or converse with other males without back lash from other males or have females speak of me as less then compared to other males I appreciate the pointes that were made. A male cant come out and say he is being mistreated by a female and be viewed as less then in the light of heterosexual males or females however if a female is mistreated then attention is brought to the issue. The standards are beyond unfair and if we wish to speak of equality then we need to speak of equality for males and females not just one group. Not to speak on just males seeing as I have a daughter now however I also have a son and I do not wish for my child to go through with I did.