LAWYER: How to Stop Cops From Taking Your Home Security Footage

[@StArFuRyZz]

As someone who works in IT - keep your private stuff on local storage only. If you're really worried - use encrypted drives. If it's on the cloud those companies will give it up without a 2nd thought.

[@One-Crazy-Cat]

40 years it security architect. I keep mine on an encrypted raid array.

[@TheOlderFart]

@@One-Crazy-Cat 35 years IT infrastructure and security... Never, ever, put anything you value "in the cloud"... You are gifting the security of your "secrets" to someone you don't know and has no care about you. Secrets are things to be hidden not things to be left on a piece of paper in the gutter for anyone to find.

[@candle86]

@@One-Crazy-Cat I keep my data on on an Encrypted Raid 5 but ive set up destructive enforcement, 10 wrong login attempts it erases the decryption key, i dont play around

[@videodude8137]

Even if it is encrypted, the cops will still seize all of the hardware and you'll like never get it back..

[@One-Crazy-Cat]

@@videodude8137 first they need a warrant.

[@goldwinger5434]

The police aren't in a hurry to return stuff for a number of reasons: 1. Teach you a lesson because you stood up for your rights 2. Establish dominance 3. Create an environment of fear to encourage future compliance The job of the police is not "protect and serve" it is to ensure compliance with the whims of the government.

[@AB-ez4rm]

They are the jackboots of the politicians.

[@gaymalewitch]

You operate under the idiocy that one has rights.

[@terencefredrick9726]

That's why most of them are free masons. Why do they have "white gloves"? So they leave no prints when they commit "crimes"

[@nathandean1687]

set it up with a limit time view program. so every time its viewed the quality takes a hit.

[@billsilvers6066]

When the Police (or any government employee or elected official) break the law or conspire to take and or conceal information from We The PEOPLE, then there is no law, just a fight for survival.

[@easyrider3112]

Computer security engineer here. The US government is still trying to make a master decryption key manidtory for all data encyption. Glad I can make my own encyption key pair.

[@TheConstitutionalGuardian]

Sounds like North Korea; that will never happen!

[@philliberatore4265]

@@TheConstitutionalGuardian anytime you hear the government innocently asking for a "back door", that is exactly what they want.

[@darwinbodero7872]

As long as there are people out there that understand math, that won’t work

[@jwo7777777]

@@darwinbodero7872 Encryption is considered a munition.

[@Acecool]

@@darwinbodero7872 Which is one of the reasons the DTP is trying to destroy the education system; they've damaged it already, likely beyond repair.

[@bearb.7406]

“Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.” ~B. Franklin

[@christovelasquez9595]

​@schadenfreude7169Facts you are clearly unaware of or purposefully ignoring, Democrats are now and have always been the anti-Americans party and the anti-Constitution part they. Never forget the unconstitutional blue state mandates and lockdowns. The history of the Democrats being the party of slavery, Jim Crow laws, and segregation. Along with them being the party promoting modern racism under the guise of D.E.I. and title 9 inclusion of biological males in female sports. Facts matter.

[@christovelasquez9595]

​​@schadenfreude7169 Facts you are clearly unaware of or purposefully ignoring, Democrats are now and have always been the anti-Americans party and the anti-Constitution party. Never forget the unconstitutional blue state mandates and lockdowns. The history of the Democrats being the party of slavery, Jim Crow laws, and segregation. Along with them being the party promoting modern racism under the guise of D.E.I. and title 9 inclusion of biological males in female sports. Facts matter.

[@gastropod557]

Can I have an A-ben?

[@nunyabusiness9013]

When are you storming your local military base there KB warrior?

[@CraquedEggs]

Cloud storage smells like big brother... Don't step in it.

[@jneff6456]

"Cloud storage smells like big brother" - That's a keen nose you have. It IS big brother... and a dramatic slide into fascism.

[@Zundfolge]

Not all cloud storage is the same. With Google, Dropbox, Ring, and the other mainstream commercial systems, you are correct. However you can easily set up your own self hosted cloud storage that is fully encrypted and not tied to a surveillance service (like Ring or some security company) so nobody knows you have it. Make sure your cameras are hidden from casual view and of course never register them with the police.

[@mrguiltyfool]

I have nas setup but it is not connected to the cloud because I know as soon as it is "cloud" the establishment will claim I share it with them

[@MonkeyJedi99]

The cloud is just someone else's computer.

[@janofb]

Mine's in China. I only have to worry about the Chinese police knocking at my door.

[@BillSmith-rx9rm]

This is why I don't put anything on the cloud. No pictures, no videos, no music, no data files, nothing.

[@gixxerclay7349]

All footage from my home security system gets stored locally, and gets deleted at the end of the day. It never sees the internet. 'Cloud' just means somebody else's hard drive. No thank you.

[@elwinrobert7602]

Laughs in Blink. A Chinese knock off company of ring. 2$ a month and terrible customer service in another country that does not care about America. Good luck reaching someone.

[@pieterwillembotha6719]

you don't necessarily have to delete it, if you can afford the extra disk space

[@jneff6456]

@@pieterwillembotha6719 Deleting it is a self preservation step. The police cannot get a warrant for what doesn't exist.

[@pieterwillembotha6719]

@@jneff6456 ok, but you don't need to delete anything if someone whom you wish not to share it with, don't even know you have it in the first place

[@ElMistroFeroz]

Oh it's much worse than that. If you have remote access to your home live feed, it's in the cloud even if you don't store it there. Unless you specifically set up port forwarding in your router and are accessing it directly.

[@NotAffiliated]

A buddy of mine did I.T. for a map company who turned out to be abusive and "slave driving" so he quit. They were so bitter that he left them after he refused to put up with their abuse, they reported to the police that he had their intellectual property on his personal computers. They had no reason to think this and no evidence to prove it. The police showed up at his house with a warrant and commandeered all 10,000 dollars of his personal equipment including monitors and other items that didn't store data. Two years later they returned it to him, all scuffed up and drilled 3 holes thru all of his hard drives as 3 drill holes is the standard for data destruction as per the DOJ apparently. No charges were filed. No apologies were made. I told him he should sue, but he said that they actually told him that if he did, they would investigate him relentlessly and threatened him physically. He said he just wanted to move on and let it slide. I love law and order. I love my country and the constitution. I would be a lot more positive and cooperative with the police if they weren't such a bunch of incompetent fascists!

[@LunaticTheCat]

Omg, that's absolutely horrifying. How is this allowed to happen.

[@schoolingdiana9086]

I would have sued the shit out of them.

[@AcidFlash123]

@@LunaticTheCat Qualified immunity. The courts have given the cops a free ride to do anything they want.

[@DingleDogs69]

Go to FBI go federal with these charges and threats make a case somehow that sticks

[@BinaryAdventure]

Lol, they took the monitors that didn't store data. There's a IQ ceiling in law enforcement unfortunately... And it aint that high.

[@dsmyyyth511]

No warrant, no seizures.

[@magalover2024]

I’ve had courts issue warrants at my house. For an example it’s for Ted Bundy but I’ve never met Ted or Ted doesn’t live with me. Cops can still search your house? I don’t think cops know the actual truth I think they’ll do what they’re told.

[@2Truth4Liberty]

No PARTICULARIZED warrant, no seizure.

[@Nomadmandude]

Your rights mean nothing.

[@kevinscott4189]

​@@magalover2024 cops don't care about truth it's control.

[@TheCaptnHammer]

Except that happens every single day…..

[@crispbrian]

I worked for a forensic company, I saw many hard drives that they seized and they rarely respond in a timely manner to return them. Basically a bunch unprofessional thugs that makes it a odd choice, but the people they say are criminals are probably the better people to have around. At least with the criminal you can defend yourself, the pigs will violate your rights and drag you into court to make an example of you.

[@ddanielmiester]

I spent a year in prison for some alleged white collar crime. I quickly learned that the crooks were on the wrong side of the bars.

[@scottstoddard-z4z]

People who give some of their rights for more security will eventually have neither rights nor security. Paraphrase of Benjamin Franklin

[@Goandgetit00]

I wish that I could give you more than one thumbs up.

[@MaydayAggro]

"essential liberty" and "temporary safety"

[@dallasgraf6442]

Lmmfao

[@WlmaAlexender-zl6nx]

One part you left out in your paraphrase is "deserve neither" which is extremely accurate.

[@theEVILone0130]

Absolutely.

[@matthewdavis8091]

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." Benjamin Franklin

[@TheConstitutionalGuardian]

How about this.... Just don't open your fucking door for the police. If they have a warrant, they'll knock the door down!

[@travisleeabq]

They may bash your door Down if they DONT have a warrant! (And they’ll take the recordings of their illegal search too!)

[@BNails]

@@travisleeabq It's why any and all videos should be set to automatically backup into some other system where they can't access it directly. Let them get a warrant and have a judge review why they want the footage deleted. Good luck with that.

[@charlesbutterfield3464]

Contra Costa County, California recently paid 8.4 million dollars for a false arrest. That is the minimum amount of money that needs to be paid for a false arrest.

[@stephanparis6887]

No wonders taxes are through the roof in CA!

[@wdeemarwdeemar8739]

Hello from Alameda County!

[@gazoontight]

In other words, having a security system is essentially spying on yourself. Then you end up helping the corrupt police even if you want to stay out of it.

[@TheMicroTrak]

Just like having a smartphone...

[@MonkeyJedi99]

@@TheMicroTrak Or a Tesla or other car with built-in cameras. Heck, they'll tow and impound your car to get the recording.

[@addhoardingprocrastinator]

@@MonkeyJedi99 even if the crime in question didn't involve you.

[@TheMicroTrak]

@@MonkeyJedi99 Agreed.

[@brentfarvors192]

Unless you are tech proficient, yes...

[@SofaKingSkilled]

This video should be mandatory viewing for anyone buying a cloud based home camera system. Great info!

[@MaydayAggro]

It's not security vs privacy. It's security vs liberty.

[@theupson]

there IS no right to privacy. im not in favor, ok? but that was the line the republican operatives chose when they struck down roe v wade.

[@darrellwilliams5657]

You have no liberty either, liberty from what.

[@MegaGeorge1948]

@@darrellwilliams5657 Liberty from a tyrannical police state government.

[@Kragith]

Those who would trade freedom for security deserve neither xD

[@Dark_Knight_USA]

Greetings: Indeed. Repeal the Real ID Act

[@chasepalagi7675]

9:19 I am in agreement with Ben Franklin on this one: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

[@PADon69]

Never sign up to volunteer information to the police. Store your footage locally and do not use the cloud. Make them get a warrant if they want to violate your privacy.

[@AzrealMaximus]

Encrypted🤷‍♂️

[@exgenica]

@@AzrealMaximus and using NON-biometric "password" access

[@streamingnowstreamingnow2568]

@@AzrealMaximusBackDoors!!

[@GermanSausagesAreTheWurst]

I mean, I won't do it, and you won't do it, but Karen from the HOA is certainly going to do it.

[@Itsthatoneguy371]

I had started to notice a strange pattern with the local police. An emergency on your part doesn’t constitute an emergency on theirs. Had a possible armed person who was an addict on work property. Call the cops, and they said “we’ll get someone out as soon as they’re available”. I watch cruser after cruser dive by. Some stopped in a parking lot near by to chat with each other for a few and then drove off. The person left after 45 minutes of being asked to. I left 15 minutes later and drove to the other side of town. An HOUR rafter I got to the other location, I get a call. “The officers are at “X” location in the back at the end of the parking lot. They don’t see anyone, can you come out?” I was like, I lift over an hour ago! The person already left before I did. And, I said they were in the front of the building not the back of the lot. Did you even listen to want I said? The response was “so they can leave the area then?” I should have said no, wait till I get there. This person shows up again a few nights later after we have been closed for hours, and starts shooting up in the front step. Called the cops three times and me saying if he OD’s, it’s on you, I know this is being recorded, before they finally said they would “make it a priority. Cops really don’t want to work. Just sit in a lot and chat with another cop. Until their boss makes them do something.

[@stephengreen3566]

"I'm sorry officers, my cameras haven't worked in years."

[@TheCyberMantis]

Amazon sells fake cameras. They look real, but they don't do anything. They are just a visual deterrent.

[@Sportfury4400]

If they are working you’d probably end up in jail.

[@larryjsmith2767]

And someday when a crime happens to you, your neighbor will say the same thing.

[@Sportfury4400]

@@larryjsmith2767 They probably wouldn’t if a neighbor asked. It’s the State telling citizens what to do that pisses people off.

[@larryjsmith2767]

@@Sportfury4400 So what's the purpose for those cameras? In the first place. If not to help stop crime? But if you're not going to use it for that purpose why have it at all?

[@Sciocore-JM]

Had a cop show up at my house after a guy a block away was randomly firing a AR at some cars and houses around 3:30am. Nobody had seen anything but he wanted to see if anyone drove by my house since nobody ever drives down that road that early. And it was a 50/50 chance he'd gone this way. Long story short... he was seen driving by, they knew who he was, and caught him about 20 minutes later. Cops showed up a few weeks later because there was people calling in about a small car driving around through people's yards and stuff. Turns out I got him on camera then too. He was driving a mini through people yards but there are a lot of minis around here. As luck would have it, when he was driving through my back yard, he almost hit my house.... and I say "luck" because he drove right up to my camera and he had his internal lights on. Got his face, license plate, and everything. Was arrested almost immediately after that. The cameras come in handy. I keep them running on with motion detection 24/7 and have 4 of them. I also wear a small body cam at all times because I carry a firearm.

[@uhoh7541]

What brand/model body cam do you have? I want to buy it, must be good quality to have enough juice for everywhere you go. Thanks in advance.

[@Sciocore-JM]

@@uhoh7541 I have CamPro but it's not the one I usually use. I just keep that one running on a 24 loop on it's charger base facing the door (good to have one inside as well as the ones outside). The outside cameras are Blink Minis with motion detection. As a carrying cam: What I do is use a pen cam (SIRGAWAIN Hidden Spy Camera Pen 1080p) with a 256GB SD Card. By itself it only lasts about ten minutes ...but the trick I use is to keep it plugged into a power bank (GETIHU Portable Charger) in my pocket. I tested it once and it recorded straight for over 28 hours like that. Probably could have gone a little longer but I just chose to unplug it after that because it seemed sufficient enough. It records great (audio and 1080 video) and it only cost about $35. Not as great quality as the CamPro bodycam ($140) but still. You can't beat that price for a 1080p pen cam (assuming you use the trick I use to prolong record time). A word of advice though. If you do plan on using the pen cam and the trick I use ...be sure to buy a USB cord that has a thinner connection (the end that plugs into the pen cam) because the one that comes with it is too thick to use at the same time as having the SD card in it because they are snug right next to each other and you won't be able to plug them both in at the same time otherwise.

[@Sciocore-JM]

@@uhoh7541 I answered this question earlier and for some reason I come back and it's deleted. Short version... Pen Cam with 256 SD card while plugged into a battery pack. Record up to 28+ hours before dying.

[@uhoh7541]

@@Sciocore-JM awesome, will look into!

[@Sciocore-JM]

@@uhoh7541 I use SIRGAWAIN 1080p Pen Cam. Only 35 dollars but good quality. Without the battery pack, it only lasts about 10 minutes. Also be sure to buy a new cord that is thinner where it plugins into the camera or it won't fit next to the plugged in SD Card at the same time.

[@John_Conner222]

I've been in I.T. security for decades. The amount of trust people have in these companies is appalling. Like a Cow literally hanging out in a slaughterhouse saying "whats up guys". Apple by far is the worst offender. All my home security is custom and home made. You can make your OWN cloud, its not that hard to do, plenty of youtube videos to show you how to do it. All my CC are closed circuit AND wired. I do NOT do wireless unless its absolutely necessary and even then only for non essential stuff. I have hidden server caches for any recorded data like home and vehicle cameras. So even if the main drive is stolen or erased by law enforcement I have copies and those copies are hidden and distributed. I even have dummy devices with fake data on them. Same thing I do with my wallet. I literally have an extra wallet with fake credit cards and about 10 dollars in 1 dollar bills. If a thief tries to get me ill just drop them the fake wallet unless I have my freedom fry dispenser on me or I can't really get to it. Great distraction tool.

[@Mojo32]

Those are really good ideas. "Freedom fry dispenser" 😂 nice one

[@stevedaniel5928]

What is a "Freedom Fry Dispenser ?"

[@John_Conner222]

@@Mojo32 ikr, gotta get creative with all this 1st amendment violations this platform does. Someone said it awhile back and I loved it and stole the idea for myself. Need something to fling all those freedom fries with.

[@adriandavis1200]

I'm a little disappointed. I was waiting for you to say that you had a fake house. 😂

[@Mojo32]

@@John_Conner222 Nice, I'll also help spread that phrase now lol

[@lightofathousand]

They can't seize doorbell camera footage from people who don't have doorbell cameras.

[@OneLeggedTarantula]

Just yesterday I started pulling my cameras and going DIY Home server cameras. Good bye Cloud subscription!

[@williamallen7836]

That's the only way to go. Local HDD storage may cost more, but you maintain your rights that way.

[@ThatGuy182545]

@@OneLeggedTarantula Just make sure the storage medium is stored in a secure and well hidden location so a potential burglar/home invader can’t easily find it.

[@Kivlor]

What cameras are you using? I've been considering doing this, but almost everything comes with ToS that imply you don't really own the cameras, or demand subscriptions. Would way rather have a system I own, that doesn't just broadcast over the internet what is going on lol.

[@RealHomeRecording]

​@@Kivlorsomeone mentioned zoneminder on another comment

[@williamallen7836]

@@Kivlor often times you have to look at more of a commercial offerings (business security cameras). There are cameras that are geared towards businesses but are not full on enterprise level setups. If you are looking for the least expensive cameras geared towards individual home owners, they will all be cloud based setups. It's pretty sad that you have to be willing to pay a little more to not be forced into recording on to thier servers. When it used to be the default, and you had to pay more for the option to record to a cloud server. It's ass backwards now. With cloud based setups you own the cameras, but loose ownership of the recordings of your own property.

[@Mojo32]

So this is why in a lot of cities, they require you to register your home security with the local government once you install it...

[@RenardThatch]

Ew, no thank you.

[@jasonbrannen7598]

Encryption is definitely the way to go, and set it up so even a file transfer can't happen without a password. That way, them having a warrant and getting your footage doesn't help them, because they can't force you to provide passwords or decryption keys. Many district courts have ruled that you MUST divulge passwords or decryption keys, but on every case I'm aware of, that was overturned on appeal as a violation of the 5th Amendment.

[@elwinrobert7602]

If they have a warrant it can just be confiscated and a lab will get into it. Will take weeks longer but it's a option

[@lemax6865]

Local storage only is the way to go, and make sure the device that stores the data is not capable of connecting to the internet. A second computer sounds expensive, but if all it does is collect and store footage, it doesn't need to be.

[@bigal1863]

This is what I've always done, I've been around since before the world wide web existed and have never trusted anything cloud based.

[@thinking-laaf]

​@@lemax6865it can be just a raspberry pi...

[@bpdmf2798]

@lemax you can build a PC just to record stuff for less than $200 easily. Computers, even weak ones, are very powerful nowadays.

[@alanjapes1266]

Privacy is most important. Don't sacrifice it.

[@eponymousIme]

Too bad everyone who has a Facebook account doesn't understand that.

[@KarlH1980]

I've had 2 instance in which my cameras did capture criminal activity. The first time the cops said that they had to see the footage on the recording device and copy it to a USB drive that they provided. The second instance was actually a felony domestic violence matter. I didn't give the cops any options. I provided them with a USB drive with the footage. I figured that the detective would grumble about it but take it to avoid the time to have to sift through the video feed himself. I am aware that if push comes to shove they will get a warrant and seize every PC or other potential recording device in the house.

[@davekramer4266]

I refuse to use Cloud storage for Anything..🤔

[@jneff6456]

Good. Cloud storage gives other companies access to your data... and makes it easier for your files to be outright stolen.

[@Isaac_132]

Cloud storage is basically giving everything you store there straight to the government and the Chinese.

[@debluetailfly]

Smart! I have known of some whose data stored in the cloud was corrupted. This was not sensitive info either. Keep everything where only YOU have control over it!

[@Paltse]

I wouldn't, but I'd be damned sure it is as much as possible my own personal small cloud beside all the big clouds.

[@William0271]

Just encrypt the data before uploading it to them. They serve as a good backup incase something happens locally

[@kettch777]

It's so ridiculously easy to make a copy of a video these days there is no excuse for them to take your footage and deny you access to it. Period.

[@phil4208]

Cops and courts get paid enough, don't help them out unless ordered by a judge

[@jneff6456]

Cops and courts get paid too much... and most courts are corrupt.

[@davidlean8674]

The downside of that attitude is that the people you pay to keep crime out of your life are less able to do so. Thus any burglaries you or your neighbours have are unlikely to be solved. The concept of the police (& courts) is that they work diligently and with integrity to reduce crime. The challenge we now face is that many laws do not encourage the behaviours or justice, fairness, or integrity. eg: Civil Forfeiture. This appears to be a huge conflict of interest. Any money collected should be put into a charity for victims of crime. And there should be a cheap way for people to prove the cash is legitimate, in cases where it is.

[@lMMl24680]

@@davidlean8674 people shouldn't have to prove shit. It's innocent until proven guilty. The gov needs to prove before seizing.

[@davidlean8674]

@@lMMl24680 our difference of opinion stems from the roles we imagine we might play. I envision assisting the police (as trustworthy allies) to gather evidence to capture the bad guy(s) who make my environment unsafe. Our police ask for a copy & don't seize. You imagine the police (as untrustworthy adversaries) unjustly accusing you & forcibly taking your stuff. As it depends on where you live, it is likely we are both right.

[@tikihutdweller5944]

@@davidlean8674 The reality is, police do not go around looking to solve burglaries, and they do not work diligently or with integrity. They simply do not care, that is the real reality.

[@stephengreen3566]

My uncle had five cameras that pointed in all directions. They were all old wired connections that had the wires running to the garage. That is what it looked like. The wires actually went to a safe in his closet that had a hard drive that looped the video in one week chunks. The spot in the garage was to make everyone think the cameras weren't working anymore. He always said if they came to him and asked nicely, he would tell them he would get back with them later but would show them the place in the garage that looked like it used to have a DVR or some recording device with all the wires coming out of the wall. The one time they did knock on his door to ask about the cameras, they decided the angle of the cameras was wrong anyway and left.

[@Intvent]

While some will disagree nothing beats a big loyal dog!

[@qdllc]

Someone got upset at me because I witnessed an accident, and the DVR system on my vehicle captured a good portion of it. I had places to go with things to do, so I did not stop and wait for the investigating officer. In part, I was concerned about being unnecessarily detained when I had things to do, and I did not want them messing with my DVR system. I did later contact the investigating officer for the accident and offered video footage I had. This video reinforces my idea that you do not go and volunteer information to the police about video footage you might have until after you are not in their presence and have time to see if there is actually anything of value you should offer.

[@bikeman1x11]

exactly- id send a copy of the video afterwards if it can help someone who was in an accident etc- wouldnt volunteerr it at the scene

[@TisiphonesShadow]

Would you want someone to help YOU? Or would you understand if they (as a witness) just walked away?

[@bikeman1x11]

@@TisiphonesShadow id give name as witness but if i had video id provide it afterwards

[@lbjr777]

@@TisiphonesShadow I would understand that we live in what’s supposed to be a free society and be happy with whatever legal choices others decide to make. However, that’s only because I know history shows 6m Jewish people were slaughtered because “society needed to help clean the unwanted”.

[@snidely_whiplash]

Liberty safe does the same with the master combo to your gun safe. Great company!

[@georgevanaken925]

I’ve never understood how it’s legal for police to take YOUR evidence. “We need your video, (phone, dashcam), it’s evidence for our investigation.” This footage is MY evidence!

[@jayhuff239]

If you believe that police have to do everything legally then you are in the dark.

[@alansloan7784]

Police/judges/bureaucrats/'lawmakers' who behave this way don't care about protecting your Constitutional rights: while [they may claim that] their actions are 'legal', by violating your rights, they are themselves lawbreakers.

[@georgevanaken925]

@@alansloan7784 Amen.

[@KarlH1980]

Ok, first, don't listen to the naysayers and conspiracy theorists. All of the undesirable outcomes for using cameras are no different than car wrecks in comparison to car usage. The benefits far outweigh the risks. To help you with your point, if you have a loved one that is robbed and beaten all while being recorded on a neighboring home or business, then that recording is evidence. The owner has an interest in keeping their data private. The People via the State, have a legitimate interest in the data as well given that crime like this is substantially detrimental to the peace and prosperity of the community. At every step our laws are all about finding and keeping the balance between individual liberties and legitimate State interests. Maintaining the peace and prosperity of the community has long been held as a "legitimate State interest". Hopefully this helps in understanding the legal, moral and ethical considerations given to matters involving the State seizing evidence in this manner.

[@tikihutdweller5944]

The government always rules in favor of itself. Never forget that.

[@RusSEAL]

“Request” your video gear back? No- you “Demand” that you get it back. That’s the problem with our way of thinking anymore. The government was never supposed to be in the position to “demand” anything from the people.

[@mikesmith8012]

Where I live, they passed an ordinance requiring everyone with a security system to register their systems or be fined. When you register, they ask how many cameras, dogs, and firearms are in the home. They passed this ordinance because of many false alarms. Complete BS. Can’t wait to move out of state.

[@Notanothercrayon]

What state is that?

[@KarlH1980]

@@Notanothercrayon An ordinance is legislation passed by a municipal entity. What town or city it is might be a better question. I don't know of any state governments that have even tried delving into that level of detail.

[@Mojo32]

I obviously don't know about the OP, but Oklahoma City is a location that requires the same.

[@jcd2472]

How is this constitutional?

[@KarlH1980]

@@jcd2472 "due process".

[@Mb0lism]

Great video, and well presented. This applies to businesses as well! You covered all the core bases on even the cybersecurity side, and then made it clear that people need to discuss with their IT professional of choice on next steps.

[@randomargument972]

expect Liberty Safe style of security for your cloud data

[@DoctorBruKhar]

The best way to protect yourself is to have an entirely offline system, encrypt your information, and most importantly DO NOT let the police know you have cameras. To go even further keep your cameras out of plain sight.

[@zerozer0z]

But it deters would be thieves when they see cameras

[@davidlean8674]

You can have the best of both worlds. Record your videos locally. Then store them in the cloud as encrypted blobs.

[@TheMicroTrak]

Sometimes when I am under stress, I forget the passwords to my encrypted files.

[@danfruzzetti7604]

i do surveillance for a living. i'll tell you two things to remind your viewers: 1. you have no expectation of privacy in a public or publicly accessible area. 2. it is possible to create a separate user account on most systems which only grants access to feeds and records from the public-view-only subset of your cameras. The two points come together to clarify that there already is no privacy under a camera facing into a public area (like on the front of the house looking out onto the street). so trading such a view to anyone does not affect the privacy there, only the incorrect emotional sense of having privacy, which has nothing to do with privacy. you did a good job explaining why on-premise storage is safer against police grabby-grab.

[@pennyrobinson4266]

Thank you for these videos. Our rights are under attack in every way. Helping police to surveal the public cannot go well for us.

[@Pje3ski]

Yep local storage is what I think is the best method. Didn’t realize I would be replacing my system but I never thought of it.

[@MonkeyJedi99]

Regarding voluntary registration of your cameras: If the police want cameras in your neighborhood, make THEM pay for them, install them, and maintain them.

[@Look_What_You_Did]

Who is in charge? The public or the police? Buck up....

[@redfields5070]

I think his point was that they won't.

[@MonkeyJedi99]

@@redfields5070 Indeed.

[@JAM661]

You do not have to register cameras. You have to register security service because the police respond to the alarms. You camera are on your property and do not effect anyone because you have total control. However when you get a security system from like ADT when the alarm goes off the company tries to call the owner and of they cant, they call the police respond.

[@georgehall1614]

Benjamin Franklin told us, those who chose security over freedom, deserve neither!!

[@Chrishelmuth1978]

Let's not forget about the other problem with cloud storage - technical, the company storing it owns the access to it as well. They can take it away from you if they really want.

[@redfields5070]

And don't forget that means anything you store on the internet, not just security files. It means cloud based software, such as Microsoft Office and Google Chrome (soon to be). But people just suck it up like it's wonderful.

[@LunaticTheCat]

Also, you can never be certain that they one day may just accidently delete all of your valuable data.

[@kevinwest7912]

I won't ever knowingly use "the cloud".

[@TimLott-t3q]

Dangerous freedom or Peaceful slavery ? Exactly no choice there...

[@Aerospace_Education]

I work in Cyber. One additional point. You can learn from many security minded Enterprise. Keep the lowest amount of data you need to. For security camera's you may want to do local storage as discussed but also tell it to only keep 24 hours of video. That's usually long enough for you to look at something that just happened, but get's rid of any footage older than that. If you are going on a longer vacation or something, just increase the length during that leave. Then when you come home and everything is good, reduce it back to a smaller number. Personally I do this with my phone messages and emails as well.

[@AhmadNasriya]

Governments keep violating privacy

[@ben10094]

it's called communism in our AMERICA

[@TwilightRage2099]

Number one rule to cameras... hard wired only! Never use wireless. Both police and criminals use jammers to knock out the feed so they can walk around and do whatever they want without the worry of evidence (yes, I've seen the police use a jammer on a illegal raid).

[@eponymousIme]

But couldn't the electrical source for the hard-wired devices also be knocked out?

[@justaskin8523]

Registering my cameras SHOULD be the same as registering my firearms. Unconstitutional. And why would I care about bad guys knowing if I have a "registered camera"? The criminal should be much much more worried about whether or not I have firearms and am willing to use them. And that's the thing: Criminals should fear us. Not the other way around. And that goes for all criminals, even those we call "officer" or "judge".

[@ThatGuy182545]

@@justaskin8523 Registering your cameras is VOLUNTARY. There are no constitutional implications for something you can choose to do, or not do.

[@JAM661]

You do not have to register you own private camera. They are talking about security system run by companies like ADT. These system when the alarm goes off goes to a off site monitor who will see if they get into contact you before call the cops to check if there is a problem at your home. You pay so much each month for the system. This has nothing to do with camera you personally own in your home.

[@lbjr777]

@@ThatGuy182545some cities have ordinances that require you to register all types of security cameras

[@Trueshotfirearms]

These is exactly why I download all my footage on a backup device, like a memory stick or a burned disk only no cloud storage. With detailed info labeled and stored.

[@cokdnlokd1238]

If you value your rights. NEVER get a RING or OTHER commercial camera system. NEVER give the cops any information on this. They WILL KNOW that if they come to your house where your cameras are and how to avoid anything provable happening on camera.

[@J2A61]

As a guy who has installed cam systems on the side a few times and works on electronics… the best thing you can do is take your DVR apart an learn the components. After you’ve opened it you will be shocked to see there’s almost nothing inside. Your system will probably work with out a hard drive 💡….. no screws but one. Super easy to remove. Especially in the case of a warrant for your DVR not your home. That means they have to wait outside while I go unplug my equipment… 💡 No cloud storage. No wireless… Hardwired DRV only

[@philliberatore4265]

Never forget "The Cloud" is just someone else's computer.

[@ericanderson2482]

Ubiquitous end to end encryption is key to retaining privacy rights in this digital age. The government actively fights private access to strong encryption, arguing for back doors and master keys. You are on the right track, keep it up.

[@KellyR-qx7wn]

Cops can seize your local network equipment such a DVR. It'll cost you, and require knowledge; but the most secure is to store it at a open-source, audited secure data center in a nation which do not honor US search warrant requests. You also need to use proper local encryption which is also open-sourced and audited, and use a yet 3rd party VPN for the connection which is also open-source, audited and in a nation which does not honor US search warrant requests. In this scenario they may be able to force you to turn over the digital files, but good luck to them to decrypting it.

[@waynenocton]

That’s a great point about the encryption, I always wondered about like what if you had your own cloud storage, at some other physical address, they probably wouldn’t know this so probably wouldn’t have that included in the warrant.

[@WlmaAlexender-zl6nx]

Unless the cop has a warrant, you have a lawyer, and you all have cameras rolling, then even the same air to breathe is more than cops should get.

[@DanielFerreira-mh2hd]

What I learned: Keep the cameras as hidden as possible. Use a computer as storage and encrypt it. Never open your home doors to police without a warrant. Have a dummy PC. Set aside a dummy camera registered with the police.

[@wmcomprev]

In most cases, a warrant requiring turning over the system should be considered overkill. The data should be all their after. So, turn over the SD cards in the cameras or the video footage, but the cameras themselves won't do anything for them unless the card must be in the camera to play back the footage due to encryption keys built-in to the camera. This would be very unusual. If they want to do it properly, they should send a CSI (or other electronic specialist), not an officer, to collect the footage. The specialist could download what they want, certifying what was collected, where, & when in order to satisfy the chain of custody. While I doubt the law allows for it, but, if they want to take the whole NVR, instead of leaving the person with no security, they should be required to "loan" the person equivalent equipment to use while the police have their equipment.

[@MonkeyJedi99]

They're already towing peoples' cars to get the data the onboard cameras MIGHT have. That leaves people without their property and transportation for days or weeks while they get around to breaking the car open to download the recording.

[@Sportfury4400]

He said he had a client who had to buy a new system because they took everything and were in no hurry to return it.

[@bouncerslabrealnature9143]

They are not intelligent enough to locate or discover well disguised equipment....They are not even close to caught up anymore 😂😂😂

[@Ernie-zk3gb]

At the end of the day the “cloud” = someone else’s computer, regardless of the application type. Someone else’s computer = access from 3rd parties in one form or another at any point in time. It’s only a matter of how skilled or powerful they are. There’s nothing better than a good ol’ fashion “CroudStrike” issue to turn your cloud into a thunderstorm or a hurricane.

[@αδέσποτοςτονουσου]

From a seasoned IT professional, well done sir! Keep educating people! 👏 Everything is possible with encryption, it's just as easy. Convenience comes with a cost, always.

[@stevenwyatt2922]

Well someone I know that is a cop told me that in their training that everything is an exigent circumstance and or for their safety. Period! That you have to comply or be arrested. Not to worry about it because they have Qualified immunity and can not be touched. Don't know if all of that is true but in my experience it seems to lean that way.

[@MonkeyJedi99]

"Stop resisting!", right?

[@tonyhelms5904]

Qualified immunity doesn't mean you cannot be touched.

[@frannypalmer2726]

Don't forget, "Obstruction"!

[@eponymousIme]

@@frannypalmer2726 And "I smell marijuana."

[@bencool8239]

Hide your cameras , don't comply with corrupt cops...

[@christopherwhite1648]

Police having the ability to take over your security cameras are hallmarks of a corporate police state.

[@stevelyons2744]

Personal security can't involve LARP-enforcement. They're why you need security.

[@sferg9582]

I've always said that there's no such thing as "The Cloud"..... it's just someone else's computer.

[@sorryociffer]

AND... If they TAKE your equipment, get an ITEMIZED RECEIPT for EVERYTHING THEY TAKE.

[@JohnDlugosz]

I've had police come to the door and politely explain that there's been a crime in the area and ask if I had any recordings from my visible cameras. I said "no". They were no longer working. I had them set up when I was on vacation and the system no longer worked. They didn't come in to check or push back; they took "no" for an answer.

[@EstradaDuran-sg6co]

ok incel

[@JohnDlugosz]

@@EstradaDuran-sg6co Was that really called for?

[@EstradaDuran-sg6co]

@@JohnDlugosz truth hurts huh?

[@Lee-BHC]

Turn on your end-to-end encryption and never answer the door if police show up.

[@ChadBoss-qr4hl]

Wouldn’t they just bust your door down if they have a warrant?

[@losvikingos6767]

@@ChadBoss-qr4hlthey won’t have a warrant for that, like EVER

[@Lee-BHC]

@@ChadBoss-qr4hl IF. Cops are lazy and would rather try intimidating you into giving it freely instead of doing the paperwork and hoping a judge signs off on a warrant.

[@life_with_bernie]

"I'm sorry, officers. The cameras have no storage at all. They are simply there to give me a live view when/if I need it. There's no storage on the camera, I have no cloud accounts, and there is no local storage repository for the cameras."

[@nukepuke932]

Lying to law enforcement sounds like a bad idea, for some reason...

[@life_with_bernie]

@@nukepuke932 Yes it does. But who says I'm lying?

[@thegrimharvest]

​@@life_with_bernieit's not that they can immediately prove you're lying, but by giving such a long careful answer, instead of a casual one, it's going to give them suspicion and could hypothetically lead to a warrant and seizure. It's likely that you're lying because your response is so overly meticulous and you believe that more detail means more trustworthy. A bad lie because of how conveniently it covers every base in advance in detail. Where the more convincing liar would just stop at "yeah, there's no storage devices, sorry." Less details are more convincing than more details, when trying to pass something off. The more detailed you go into your excuse, the more they're going to wonder why you're being so thorough and detailed in your excuses.

[@life_with_bernie]

@@thegrimharvest You're still accusing me of lying, and I wouldn't be. I have cameras covering every outside angle of my home. They all are capable of recording if I equip them with memory cards or buy a cloud plan or buy a DVR, but they don't have those now. Their purpose isn't security (except by their presence). Their purpose is to allow someone who is disabled (me) to see outside. To see when the mail comes. To see when stuff is delivered. To see who is ringing my bell. Things like that. Immediate, live viewing, not security recording. I have no cloud account they can record to, no DVR, no memory cards in the cameras. You or the police can "suspect" all they want, but you better come with a warrant and be resigned to ultimate failure and wasted time and resources, which I will trumpet to every media outlet that will listen and there WILL be legal consequences for the agencies involved.

[@wessltov]

Regarding end-to-end encryption: it's only as strong as is companies' adherence to its core principles

[@Isaac_132]

So pretty weak, eh?

[@someguy5035]

So they always write in back door code.

[@roythomas9376]

New subscriber here and I’m so impressed with and appreciative of the information you provide. Truly exceptional.

[@lanedexter6303]

Cameras, yes. Security companies, no. And anything internet accessible is internet hackable.🙄

[@AshGreen359]

Having a security system usually means you get to have video of people committing crimes against you and law enforcement not doing anything anyway

[@JohnForgette-km1sl]

2nd amendment for security

[@warwolf359]

I am loathe to give up privacy for "security" or convenience. Stay vigilant.

[@bryanholland6987]

My security system is stored on a closed network using my hard drives. And two attempts at a wrong password wipes the drive and zeroes the drive to make it unrecoverable. I also have a code that specifically zeroes the drive on the first attempt. It's also on an encrypted RAID that will zero itself if placed in an incorrect oder. It's my private life. Nobody else can view it. I'll give them my zeroing code if that happens to me.

[@variancewithin]

goddamn you got your ducks in a row. i am currently running mine on a VM, should i move it to be running bare metal in the future? like on a mini PC, that way they dont end up taking all my other things?

[@bryanholland6987]

@variancewithin I do it because I have cameras inside and outside the home. If the cops want footage I'll give them what they want and only what they want. If they try to court order take all my privacy, they'll get nothing at all and there's nothing they can do about it.

[@NikoBellaKhouf2]

That's so cool. How did you do that?

[@Sportfury4400]

I was thinking about something like that but have no education in the field. I thought of having to weekly enter a code or it would erase everything. Then I realized if the crime was against me and I was dead or hospitalized it would be erased and the evidence would be gone.

[@Sportfury4400]

Could they force you to give the encryption code and when it all gets erased charge you with obstruction? Not that it’s likely but could the FBI still find video even though it’s been erased? You hear about people doing that with their computer and they still can find information.

[@jasonplesec2285]

Thank you for presenting this!

[@samuelchappell7280]

Instead of using the cloud, create your own website with it's own independent server. Have this server stored somewhere offsite from your home. Make sure not to register your website under a name which could identify you as the owner. Making things difficult for the police can keep your privacy secure.

[@brainmind4070]

That's a great idea, but a lot of people don't have the technical expertise to implement that. Also, be careful what to say to the police if they ask whether you have security cameras. If you lie and they find out, you could get in trouble.

[@samuelchappell7280]

@@brainmind4070 Are you kidding. I know kids whom can program websites for various jobs, and anything more technical can be created depending upon how much money you can spend. As far as the police are concerned, consult an attorney. Also, make sure to have your property fenced in as to create enough barriers to keep the police from simply walking to your front door WITHOUT a warrant. An exterior versus an interior fence will work wonders for any attorney fighting against any intrusion by the police.

[@joeschmo622]

Screw the website, just use a free dotted-quad for your server address, no name attached.

[@stevenstoll2016]

@@brainmind4070 simple, NEVER EVER talk to the police for ANYTHING. For that matter, don't ever open your door for police if you didn't call them, they are not there to help you. Doesn't matter what it is about. Invoke your 5th Amendment rights. If they persist, call your attorney.

[@MonkeyMind69]

*_It's a Sad conundrum._* On one hand this wouldn't be an issue if police were recognized as trustworthy, moral individuals who were out to uphold our rights. Since there are countless examples where many of them are none of these things, we feel the need to protect our privacy and security footage. Alternatively, if a crime happens that results in a person being unable to get their security footage to the police (like they were deleted or kidnapped), we'd want the police to be able to access it. 🤷‍♂

[@ribsybrown510]

Big brother is watching us.

[@michaelhuggins7722]

Since police can violate citizen rights without being stopped, and a citizen's rights are an "after the fact" matter, what is even the point in the first place? Nothing stops the violation in the first place! We citizens have only "post violation" protection! It's meaningless!

[@alansloan7784]

There are consequences for wrongdoing, that not even the most power-hungry criminals in office can escape from. 'Justice delayed is justice denied'; but it can't be denied forever. It always catches up with the guilty....

[@thegrimharvest]

​@@alansloan7784in the sense of final Eternal justice? Sure. But absolute power corrupted with unrestricted access to near unlimited resources and finances means that justice can be denied for a very very long time. Money and power are not afraid of those without them. If they were, they wouldn't have gotten to positions of money and power. The system is working exactly as intended.

[@adr3ns]

5th amendment & citizens have 0 obligation to help police investigate anything.

[@frankdoss6313]

I keep hearing discussions that remind me of Ben Franklin's quote about sacrificing freedom for security.

[@superhtml9463]

I'm a security technician and I think those voluntary programs can be beneficial depending on how the system is configured. I would also think that it's important to be potentially selective about which cameras you share across your system.

[@belowfray5251]

Never trade your rights for security or you end up with neither

[@charlesbutterfield3464]

Always review any warrants with your Attorney.

[@texdevildog9174]

Cloud means someone else's computer.

[@jacobscheit4128]

As a IT Professional I would encourage everyone to store locally with a separate backup site. Use video storage chunking (a software option that stores a the video footage in small sections in separat files) and file based real-time encryption with a encryption key database.

[@KushiteComplex]

"...When you pry it from my cold, dead hands!" ~Charlie Heston 😂

[@joeschmo622]

What I would also suggest would be storing video on a ramdrive. Only you would then manually transfer the contents to disc, sd-card, etc. Coppers come to take the drive... *pouf!* ... it's now been powered-down and all the contents they want, are lost. Whups. Meanwhile, you got your sd collection safely squirrelled away offsite. Also, big visible cameras outside are just dummy-cameras, scarecrows, while your main cameras are the teeny little ones the size of a sugar-cube, peppered all over your home.

[@appleturnover519]

...Also, never take the word of a KZbin lawyer at face value.