LIVE! Karen Read Trial Day 17: NEW DETAILS From Brian Higgins Including Salacious Texts

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[@jodievukmir3187]

I can't get over that they're charging her with drunk driving, but all of these people were drunk driving

[@remnant0888]

Yes a bunch of drunks. My husband worked in dedham. They are so parochial and townies don't let anyone in

[@gracebecreations]

YUP thats what happens when you are in a circle of police friends and family ... nice huh?

[@JoanEsposito-r6e]

I thought the same thing these people are cops, friends of cops. Everybody’s driving around with a lot of liquor in them it seems.!

[@KellyMorris-x6k]

With all of them drinking and driving anyone of them could of hit John

[@valiakloeppel7252]

​@@remnant0888she is only one who lost their memory while being drunk!!!!!!! Could i have hit him? I left him at waterfall until Jen set her straight. Etc

[@My2Stents]

The Commonwealth has proven beyond a reasonable doubt that this case has nothing but reasonable doubt.😊

[@misxfitx]

if i was in the jury, i could not get over the fact that so many of these people not only got rid of their phones, got rid of other elements of digital evidence, a family moved, got rid of the dog, and also the amount of "butt dials"!? don't get me started on how much they're parsing their answers on cross, sometimes even on direct. this is a whole mess

[@zahedah80]

And butt swipes opening doors

[@origamikiddo2625]

Yeah, even if I could see John and Karen fighting (which I really could see), why all the super weird coincidences, suspicious behavior, cageyness on cross. I think of Brian Jr's testimony, Kerry Roberts, even Caitlin mostly. They saw what they saw, the remembered what they did and didn't what they didn't. There wasn't much fighting, even if defense tried. That's what I would expect to see from others in Albert/McCabe. I can even excuse Brian Albert and Higgins a bit cuz they are LE so I can see some bruising on questioning their authority, but why from Nicole, Julie, Chris, and mostly Jenn?? I'm sure a lot of Jen's stuff was cuz she liked to be in control, but why wasn't screenshots from other kids and all that -i could understand if she was Colin's mom who is accused of lying about being there and beating him up, but she's only Auntie JJ and not an Albert and it's her sister's family so why?? Why??? Why did Julie go get Chris and bring him back to the house -they were not there that night! Why did Higgins come to the house the next day? I get he was there, but wait at your house for police!

[@saraw112]

EXCELLENT POINTS!!! those should be in the defenses closing argument!! Can’t wait until this is over…. I can’t see how there could be anything but acquittal but can never count on it…

[@pumpkinfield100]

And yet they go with their ridiculous lines.. I wonder how dip corruption goes in that town if they believe they can achieve their goal

[@kkheflin3]

It's a hot mess inside a dumpster fire inside a train wreck. Well said.

[@taynathibault9752]

these are the same people who arrest people for driving under influence.. What a JOKE...

[@MimiDidi121]

It makes no sense that Brian Higgins would drive his personal vehicle, after drinking all night to the police station to park his official car, and then drive home all in, what they are calling, a blizzard! What was so important that the car had to be re-parked in a different place? I think it’s pretty ball to drive to the police station drunk, and start re-parking vehicles and then drive home. The officer at the station had to know he was drunk. By his own admission, he had 8 to 10 Jamison and Ginger drinks. I wouldn’t be able to stand upright, let alone drive a vehicle and a blizzard.

[@julesthecat.]

Plus they’re all like walking distance from each other. The fact they drove while drunk is inexcusable regardless but it’s just wild to me they had to drive when they could easily walk

[@michelemccowan5924]

@@MimiDidi121 It makes sense to me, as I live in the mountains and we have to move vehicles out of the parking lots before the plows get there for snow removal. If they are not moved by 3am, you get plowed in and they cannot plow around the cars. Makes perfect sense, as I am sure he would not want to come back once he was home in bed. We got snow yesterday and I was out at 1 am the night before, moving my cars.

[@debkb7]

I agree it’s sad on their part.

[@dramallamamama]

It makes me so angry. If I didn’t personally know good law enforcement people, I’d think they were all corrupt. This “the law doesn’t apply to me” mentality for people in power disgusts me.

[@fowens3]

I feel so sorry for John's family sitting there listening to all this crap.

[@ChristinaHealey]

Sad 😞

[@mandyrayner783]

No I feel the outcome will bring them the truth

[@mandyrayner783]

Higgins said he fancied her from the minute he saw her and Karen sadly was feeling low and she and John were having issues but it don't make her wanting to injure John He was guardian to kids Karen wouldn't do this

[@LisaSimplified]

Me too but they need to hear it. They drank the Albert's Kool-Aid and are blaming the wrong person.

[@HeatherSRealEstate]

@@LisaSimplifiedagree 💯!!!

[@tinathenurse9073]

Karen’s statement about having to raise kids with no say in ‘how’ is completely VALID, and it does not mean she didn’t like/love them. Any step parent gets this… it’s truly unique and quite a thankless job. I don’t think we can fault her for being honest when we hear this. And it certainly doesn’t mean she is a murderer! FREE KAREN READ

[@mirna.lajkina]

Plus it seems he put a lot of responsibilities for the kids on her, for example, like in Aruba, but otherwise as well

[@Boodika2011]

He definitely used her

[@melb2258]

She was trashed that night! She probably doesn’t or didn’t even know she hit him, but clearly they were arguing in the car on their way to Brian’s house, and when he stepped out of the car Karen thought he gotten out and drove off, hitting him unbeknownst to her, pissed & buzzing she had no idea. But she is the sole responsible party for John’s death, I’m new to this case but I see it from miles away, wake up ppl … watching from Texas

[@piercedsnowflake]

​@@melb2258fellow Texan here. I'm curious where you heard what Karen drank and how many she consumed? Furthermore, she's had many people day she wasn't drunk at all. It sounds like you want her to be drunk so all the pieces fit together in your mind. I can't wait until the defense starts and you hear the FBI report saying there's no possible way the vehicle could've hit and killed John. 😊

[@helenfong3339]

Karen is insecure & never fit in with John's family or friends. Imo, she wanted to feel needed & liked. This is one of the reasons she took care of the kids. Then she complained about not having enough help. John's mother or parents were there to help. However, Karen didn't like that either. Karen & John were not happy in the relationship. I get the sense John was going to break up with her but she kept holding on. I don't know if she killed John or not. There is definitely reasonable doubt.

[@Gingerbeom]

Not being in a perfect relationship doesn't equal murder.

[@nicci337]

The text just shows there was a situation that could have caused John to be in a fight that evening. Its motive for someone else to hurt John.

[@cristipratt2844]

They were not married, no commitment.

[@nicci337]

@@cristipratt2844 I wouldn't assume the texts messages are accurate either. He could have deleted specific messages from what he provided that make it look like she was flirting with him.

[@cherylj7460]

@@nicci337 who is Etta’s boyfriend? Collin?😱

[@PhysicsGamer]

@@nicci337 That's what I noticed - if anything, they give Higgins more of a motive than they do Read!

[@iampun33t]

Canton seems like a wierd place. Everyone is drunk driving. Everyone is buttdialing. Everyone is forgetting calls. People rehoming phones. Etc. Etc. Etc.

[@dra.latina3063]

Not sure everyone in Canton does the above. However, this “friend group” clearly is founded upon excess alcohol consumption, drinking while under the influence, and sophomoric behavior. It smacks of “Swingers Gone Wrong” Club.

[@Caroline.722]

Rehoming dogs…

[@yogabee2222]

Sketchy 😮

[@johndoe-fq7ez]

Bunch of middle aged professionals acting like college sophomores

[@kkheflin3]

They are all very affluent also. Entitled.

[@kah89]

They charged 2nd degree because they thought she would plea out for a lesser charge and it would all go away. They didn’t expect her to have the resources to get this type of defense.

[@kkheflin3]

Well said. Exactly.

[@1014-m6s]

No, my understanding was that it was determined Murder 2nd after the Grand Jury as the 60 ft backup indicated intent.

[@apol9062]

I think Jen did Karen a favor telling court how John loved previous girlfriend more and used Karen as a babysitter with benefits. Makes Karen’s actions with Higgins seem less out of left field. And Higgins texts telling Karen’s version of NYE shows she looked down on John for his behavior, it wasn’t just jealousy.

[@kekeinthehole]

I think Higgins was a “get back at John” thing that she didn’t follow through on.. These prosecution witnesses come across as evasive/combative and out right liars..To be clear I’m not in Karen Reeds camp it’s just my observation from listening to these people’s testimony..

[@2sides_of_a_coin]

I agree. I think Karen was feeling like the babysitter with benefits after a while. She was doing all of the parent duty while John was out getting drunk a lot. I think that statement was compelling and actually helped the defense.

[@yogabee2222]

Higgins sincerely liked her

[@Sleepingsparklegirl]

Where there’s smoke there’s fire. He sounded like a flirt and judging by the demeanor of the women he associated with on a daily basis he clearly if he didn’t cheat lead women on. John wasn’t a saint but a human the same s Karen. I’m going on the case presented before me sounds like they had an open relationship and she would get jealous. So far this case makes me believe people hate Karen and want to bring her down because of personal reasons instead of facts.

[@Steve-YT383]

Yea I agree I don't think the babysitter with benefits helps the prosecution as much as they think. I can see it hurting their case. Jen was nearly manically gleeful to get that dig in at Karen

[@idajeanwalker5340]

If these people didn’t drink so much, maybe they would have better memories.

[@Anna-ww4pv]

Exactly! Why are we believing testimony of any of these people? They were all drunk including Karen.

[@janetdobiesz768]

Same for Karen too.

[@joanniebryan8]

😂😂

[@Monica-gene1]

🤣

[@Lizzybee123]

And better lives

[@vlong5537]

Jason Jones said it well in chat, "10 butt dials, 10 people walked by a body on the lawn, 2 High ranking cop/atf threw phones away the day before notice…Solo Cups, leaf blower… crazyyy". This case is absolutely bizarre. While the flirtatious texts don't reflect Karen Read in the best light, it looks much worse for the federal officer.

[@dutchboynl2082]

horsemanure.

[@BondJames-vz5wk]

@@dutchboynl2082 the drunk driver whose job is policing violations involving alcohol, the guy under federal investigation who destroys his phone, looks like just another corrupt cop in this nest of drunken vipers being protected by Aunt Bev.

[@kparis77]

If Karen Read is guilty she could not have asked for better circumstances.

[@marksheehy4933]

Sounds like a bunch of drunk Irish cops...oh yeah, they are! Lol

[@sallycinnamon5370]

⁠@@kparis77That’s true actually.

[@lucyElaine5656]

You missed when the defense said did you throw the card in one dumpster and the phone in another dumpster.😮 So I wonder if they have cameras at the military base

[@Truecrimecafe]

I seriously hope they do and we see it

[@Alemaniaturquia]

FBI ORANGE ARE IN CANTON NOW

[@DJHalpin]

You missed the best part 💀🤣

[@mighty0974]

They say... lawyers don't ask questions they don't know the answers to.

[@citigirlcountrified1927]

​@@DJHalpin which is?

[@brightbleu]

I've never watched a trial that was as infuriating as this one. All of these witnesses who refuse to answer simple questions, who don't mind lying, who argue instead of just saying yes or no, who got rid of their phones. There's a clear pattern with these toxic people.

[@mandyrayner783]

It's called scripted and leaks and Deception

[@barbaramay1866]

How would you feel if you were attacked by a shark who is trying to push a ridiculous agenda that they were all involved in a murder and coverup of their beloved brother in blue? How would you feel about the harassment and torment they and their children have all had to endure? If they want their testimony understood exactly, they should have that right. Jackson has not been respectful to any of them and has tried to twist their words every which way and sneak in statements that are untrue.

[@barbaramay1866]

Lol. Jackson wants you to believe there was a court order that told them to not mess with their phones or destroy them, but that is a LIE. He filed a motion about that, but it was denied and there was NO order by the court. Higgins voluntarily gave the relevant texts to law enforcement when he was not even asked to do so!

[@barbaramay1866]

No. There are not even that many good actors in Hollyweird. The witnesses are not acting.

[@zahedah80]

Amber was definitely infuriating

[@teraallan]

On a scale of immorality, which is worse: pecking the lips and flirting with a guy when you have a boyfriend OR law enforcement lying on the stand and destroying evidence in a murder case?! Which of these two immoralities can cause more harm to others?

[@nicci337]

Right, and it just means we have evidence of a scenario that could create a physical fight with John. We didn't have that before these text messages but we do now.

[@Caroline.722]

As a woman, I kinda understand Karen & the text messages. I mean, John’s friend said she was just a “glorified babysitter with benefits.” John seemed drunk a lot in Aruba leaving Karen to deal with the kids. She wanted out but felt guilty about the kids. I saw it described as staying in a FOG - fear, obligation & guilt. I think she was just looking for a little attention but said John was a good guy. To me, the texts seem more of a reason for a fight between BH & JO than KR killing John.

[@teraallan]

@@Caroline.722 I agree. I think she loved John and wanted to be with him but found herself taking care of the kids (not her’s) while he partied. Imagine being in Aruba, having to go to the room to put the kids to bed and finding John drunk in the lobby all over a girl. I’d be pissed too. I think that made her feel like a “glorified babysitter with benefits.” And the mean girls John hung out with made sure she got that vibe. She was on the fence about John and evened the score by flirting, kissing and leading Higgins on. She indeed ghosted Higgins because she had accomplished her goal…John was jealous back. She had no motive to kill John. If she had found him in bed with Bella’s mom she would had the rage to murder. Nothing like that happened at the Waterfall at all. We saw on video. John didn’t even flirt with other women. I can see them getting into an argument about him wanting to continue to party at the Albert’s because Karen didn’t want to go and once again saw how he was leaving his niece home alone late into the night while he got wasted. Who was going to give him a ride home in the blizzard? All of those people were drunk. She was irritated and probably pissed at his poor choices. I’d like to hear the voicemails she left him. I vaguely remember hearing something about her yelling she hated him. So when he was out later and later getting drunk, she once again felt like a glorified babysitter with benefits. Still…is that motive to murder him or motive to leave him?

[@Caroline.722]

@@teraallan And the blond friend in Aruba saying John said “Karen is crazy” when she was calling him…I think as women we’ve all been labeled crazy one time or another by a man after his bad behavior. It’s called deflection. That whole testimony by the sisters did nothing for me.

[@KarenBruhn]

Both are harmful to others.

[@saratucker1519]

At this point, you could show me a video of her intentionally hitting him and screaming "I'm leaving you for dead" out the window and I would still want to know WTH was going on with these other people bc they act so SUSPICIOUS

[@8Os4daladies]

If they have nothing to hide; why destroy phones, ect… rehome dog, change basement flooring; fill in pool, then sell home, and use SOLO CUPS, to obtain evidence, no chain of custody ect…. TOO MANY SUS’S‼️

[@mandyreardon2177]

EXACTLY!!!!!

[@aikichic1]

+ JM brainwashing everybody's that KR said something she didn't said.

[@Heseesyou]

There all wicked and guilty and if these jurors don't see it today.. then there lost😢

[@jackjon7763]

All of this gives so much reasonable doubt. This case is so screwed I can’t believe they took it to court

[@vickiegibson2920]

Something is definitely going on in that toxic group of people.

[@Kishy787]

Why would he text John if he's coming? My theory is that John came into the house and confronted him about Karen, and then they started to fight..

[@Anna-ww4pv]

Guessing isn’t fact.

[@basicallyno1722]

No one ever said it was fact. Commenter said “my theory.”

[@nicci337]

100%

[@nicci337]

And all the cops drink driving means we know that they have total confidence if they do something wrong the other cops will cover it up. They would never risk their careers over a dui.

[@notbriannaroblox9095]

I think he texted John because he couldn’t text Karen and he wanted to see her/talk to her. Definitely possible that there’s was an argument / fight between Brian and John. But also possible a fight between Karen and John where she sped away and hit him. I see her in a different light after this. She was jealous of the kids taking up too much of John’s time. She wanted more from him. She thought he cheated and wanted to get back at him. Wanted a one night stand and Brian seemed interested in more and I don’t think that was what she was after. She wanted John’s attention. A being drunk makes people do stupid things.

[@ot4462]

Every couple in the world has their own issues and problems but this doesn’t mean one will kill the other

[@jsm8841]

Yes. I don’t think she purposefully killed him. But they were both drunk and fighting and maybe she hit him on accident and just kept going because she was pissed. She clearly woke up terrified that he was gone and that she possibly did it. I think the Alberts are shady as hell. That’s why this case is like a soap opera. So many ups and downs.

[@karennotAkaren1]

@@jsm8841but they weren’t fighting at the bar they were so affectionate that the colakesis wife told her husband she wished he was more like that to her. And all the witnesses that the CW called said they saw the car and it was always moving forward slowly so how did she back into him? I’m not saying the Albert’s/macabes/huggens. Killed him on purpose but they might have accidentally killed him Where is his shoe and hat

[@jsm8841]

@@karennotAkaren1 I wonder if they were being extra affectionate because Higgins was at the bar and Karen was putting on a show to make him jealous. It literally is like a soap opera. I hope there is justice for John somehow in all of this

[@PhysicsGamer]

@@jsm8841 She didn't acknowledge him even once that night, according to Higgins' own testimony. And had ghosted his text messages more than a week prior.

[@melissaharwood7335]

Just think how many of these witnesses "changed; threw-out;re-homed" their phones immediately after this happened...At least 5 plus....

[@Katrina-qs2rl]

Incriminating evidence.

[@boucherjane9424]

So true

[@gpwarrior9847]

When the standard way is just to throw it in the “phone” drawer that we all have at home.

[@amandamacabre]

@@gpwarrior9847i have a phone so damaged it will never be used again and yet it's in my drawer 😂

[@julesthecat.]

@@gpwarrior9847yep I have tons of old phones just sitting in a drawer too 😂

[@HHart03]

My biggest issue is so many people seemed to be driving slightly intoxicated. Couldn’t it be an accident by any of them that night? The narrative of the common wealth has such little evidence with these witnesses

[@citigirlcountrified1927]

Right! Don't be riding around amin canton

[@ccbeaches8605]

This is an excellent point … all those vehicles rolling up to the house and leaving…. And I’m still confused as to BH plow jeep and when he left?

[@sibelc.380]

Maybe they are covering their accident 🤷‍♀️

[@ellenrussell4612]

Slightly intoxicated? The only ones showing responsibility were the younger ones (although some were underage) they were the only ones arranging for rides.

[@Pushbubblerism7920]

Strange, the biggest issue for me is them lying under oath, destroying and hiding evidence, and covering up a murder of a police officer!

[@storkbat]

If a woman who never wanted kids tried to be in a relationship with a man who had kids and it not working out bc that wasn’t right for her doesn’t look bad at all to me. If she doesn’t want to mother his kids then it’s best for everyone that she doesn’t.

[@Maria-em3ju]

But he is watching the kids, did she love him or not?

[@casey5683]

@@Maria-em3juyou can love someone and not love the situation they’re in, and know it’s wrong for you.

[@MamaPinks]

I think that Karen ghosted Higgins because perhaps she and John had a new conversation about their relationship. Things were on the upswing. That's why they seemed loving on that night at the baah; they were getting along. I think she searches for companionship when things are on the down with her and John.

[@girlracer265]

Think she wanted to be wanted and enjoyed flirty banter

[@MamaPinks]

@@girlracer265 agreed!

[@60nygal]

She wanted a back door ... In case things didn't we work out she would dangle a carrot once in a while. I personally don't like that behaviour but it's common. .Karen is the kryptonite ... Common denominator ... Needy flirt

[@MamaPinks]

@60nygal I agree, but I don't think, 100%, that she ran him over! Nope.

[@primalcritters]

Totally agreed

[@desiecuster4390]

Cops are all trained to be observant. These cops, Alberts/Higgins are some of the most unobservant people to be believable.

[@The_10th_Man]

They’re not Sherlock Holmes they’re just goons

[@kosswc]

I think John found out then he confronted Brian Higgins at Fairview. Led to a fight with the Alberts joining in. They threw him out on the lawn. The cover up began with the group. None of them were true friends with John. So sad!

[@M-LFC491]

Jackson is on fire today. Their prep is superb. Gawd, this would make a great film.

[@JRebeccaTruthBTold]

I think so too

[@soude85]

Netflix is in the house..

[@TeaSquirrel-ql7sp]

It'll have to be a entire show series! Way too many characters & subplots to fit in a movie

[@keila8343]

He seemed off to me today.

[@LaLaLonna]

I think it will be made into a movie, mini series or a muti part documentary

[@H.P.93]

Honestly, to me the texts gave more motive to Brian than Karen. Karen came across as someone unhappy, maybe feeling unloved, looking for a one night stand and when he started getting creepy, she ghosted him. Brian wanted something more, and maybe didn't like her ghosting him and then ignoring him at the Waterfall. We've also seen indications that, he may sometimes get angry while drinking and not remember what he did the next day (the incident with the game controller). Between this testimony and what the people in the truck saw (or didn't see), right now the most probable theory is Brian hitting John in a drunken, jealous rage after Karen dropped him off (and Brian is why she didn't want to go in bc he had begun to creep her out). In that scenario, maybe the Alberts were fully unaware of what happened. Especially him turning over screenshots of what he thinks are important texts rather than letting the police pull them from his phone. I can't help but wonder how many he deleted.

[@yaraali8519]

I honestly don't think he himself killed John but in the aftermath definitely did some covering up with being a ATF agent. I think Brian Albert was more suspicious not coming outside to see what is going on in front of his house but would call Higgins throughout the day when he was at the station.

[@suemitricka9031]

I agree with you yaryaa

[@mandyreardon2177]

@H.P.93 I agree with your reasoning as to why Karen didn't go into the after party at the house, as I think the same! When they pull up to the house she sees Brian Higgens jeep, so doesn't want to go in and be cornered by him and risk anyone finding out that they had been texting. Who hit John? I'm still not sure yet, but I don't believe it was Karen.

[@Always_Thinking]

They had said earlier that Karen was considering exploring other options. There was some venting, a peck on the cheek & a drink then she ghosted him. KR & OJO were planning 2 future trips!

[@primalcritters]

💯 exactly

[@friendsandshenanigans6397]

I have been with my BF 7 years and he has a daughter he has full custody of, we have talked about this case. I have been exactly in Karens position. Step parenting, going from no kids to being a caregiver, and having to respect someone else’s boundaries is hard. I used to vent ALL THE TIME to my friends about being a glorified baby sitter, I love him and respect him so much as a single father. So admirable. But felt like I would never amount or be as important as his baby. I sought emotional intimacy when I would feel lonely. We are great now, but step parents know that her texts may seem bad… but it’s not enough motive for me. Most have probably been there too. I am new to this case, so i just want physical evidence now. Poor motive imo, BUT accidental while drinking is still on the table for me.

[@caymansalesperson8381]

I grew up in New England. This is so typical. This case has loads of ‘ she was mad at him’ and ‘he was a good guy. ‘. Yet no substance. Okay she might have cheated, he might have cheated. Who cares. What was the cause of death? What was the time of death? Jeez, most annoying trial ever. Think I am done.

[@marygoff3332]

I can't watch it. It's unwatchable. And I was looking forward to it.

[@melistasy]

Hopefully that's coming soon 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@thescibsters2049]

And they’re all Irish! 😂

[@christiecruzxo2841]

Really it’s unwatchable. As a new Englander I totally agree this whole case is pure drama. She backed over her man drunk, period. The rest is fluff.

[@mel3575]

​@thescibsters2049 what do you mean by 'they are all Irish' I'm curious as to your comment, being Irish myself. 🤔

[@laure26]

I don’t think Karen’s guilty, but I was laughing at how uncomfortable she was moving around during the flirty text read, I don’t blame her lol

[@gingerhickerson5792]

She’s a cutie! She reminds me of Rep AOC! Sassy, sexy but also girl next door!!

[@Dontbelieve9]

@@gingerhickerson5792bahahahahhHahahahh

[@primalcritters]

​@@gingerhickerson5792she's beautiful and was so cute when she was younger absolutely and still is. I hate AOC though 😂 but she's pretty

[@Roobz2000]

@@primalcritters I hate her too!😬😁

[@barbaramay1866]

She looks a bit looney to me, especially when she gets those crazy eyes.

[@sallycinnamon5370]

I’ll be honest. If I were on the jury…the fact that THIS court denied access to these witnesses phone and THIS prosecution are allowing curated evidence by witnesses when we KNOW some potentially incriminating data, or at least relevant data, was deleted from other people’s cell phones would make me side eye the entire court proceeding. These guys were sticking their fingers all into the investigation and a close family friend led an investigation. And I can’t help but think that if the state police had sought a Erich warrant for these same kind of phones in a different investigation the court either would have granted it or at least ordered the phone maintained until litigation was finished.

[@kmoffett71]

I now believe John confronted Higgins and they got into a fight. John died and they covered it up.

[@citigirlcountrified1927]

Me too. And inside where the dog was

[@primalcritters]

Yup Brian Albert, Higgins and Collin plus Chloe. Then they and the women scrambled to cover it up

[@Romovictorio]

@kmoffett71 you make a valid point I never saw that

[@stoutie18]

Yup! I don’t think they wanted him to die but rough him up and then threw him outside to kick him out of their little group. Then they realized he was dead and freaked the f out and the framing began

[@georger7327]

I'll bet most of John's blood was in the cellar.​@@citigirlcountrified1927

[@LW-wg4ny]

I think Karen used Brian Higgins to get back at John didn’t want to go out with him or hook up with him. She just wanted to make John jealous she could’ve kissed him at the door, but she made sure she went outside and kissed him where the cameras would pick it up when she made John jealous, she dropped him like a hot potato

[@tonystevenson26]

Not the wisest behavior , apparently

[@clemacks01]

JO’s “friend” group consisted of a bunch of caddy women who wanted him and hated KR because she wasn’t one of them and this entire exchange was KR just trying to make JO jealous. Once JO saw the video of her kissing Higgins, she ghosted Higgins and they were back to good. 🤦🏻‍♀️ honestly it gave more motive to Higgins than KR

[@sarah29880]

I think so too. I was thinking John did get jealous cuz Karen rubbed it in… he went to confront Higgins about it both wasted off their butts and boom fight John is knocked out. Doesn’t take long

[@soniaf6156]

Eh, how invested could he be over a few texts. Especially seemed like he was suspicious of her motivation. But whats up with the messy phone stuff.

[@clemacks01]

I don’t think BH did the deed but I do think it gives the jury reasonable doubt to whether or not she did! Personally I think it was Colin and that’s why the Mcabes and the Albert’s are trying so hard to cover it up! I think everyone’s covering for this kid because of the family connection! 🤷🏻‍♀️ they’re all destroying their phones, deleting evidence, inserting themselves in the investigation, lying, claiming “I don’t recall” to every cross question, and showing up to court and acting like they’re so inconvenienced by this. I don’t think they even realize how bad they look! It’s incredible! Innocent people do not bring their attorneys to court, “just in case” when they are a states witness… and attorneys who know their clients are guilty of something, tell them to “plea the 5th, if you have to” while their clients testifying! I don’t know just my opinion but the fish is stinkier on the prosecutions side IMO 🤷🏻‍♀️😂

[@katherinemooney4396]

@@sarah29880the fighting Irish! And if booze is involved….watch out!

[@SecretSquaff]

@@soniaf6156 He destroyed his phone after selecting what texts to preserve.

[@REDDEVIL9269]

The worst thing about all this is how bad the investigation was! The police left so many questions when they should've closed so many doors. Justice should've prevailed

[@georger7327]

Law enforcement corruption in MA is rampant! The feds MUST do something about it now!

[@josiemiller6524]

I have to point out when I found out the CW put John’s niece and nephew on the witness list, it really pissed me off. Those poor kids have gone through so much in their short lives, and had the man who stepped in to raise them, ripped away from them. They aren’t witnesses to anything pertinent. The CW is making come into a court room, before a woman who they grew to care for, to answer questions about fighting. Arguing isn’t a motive in this case. Karen herself said John told her to take some time for herself if she couldn’t get over what happened. She didn’t need to get rid of him in any way in order to terminate their relationship. The fact that the judge allowed the texts between Karen and Higgins where she’s venting about the kids is just disgusting to me. I’m a mom of 8, I have 6 kids still at home. I talk to my husband and friends and vent about my kids constantly, it’s normal, I just don’t think the world, especially the kids, needed to hear that. I also want to point out - while these texts from Karen are flirtatious, I think it shows more of a motive for HIGGINS to want John out of the picture. She’s texting him pretty regularly, complaining about her relationship, he tells her she’s hot, she ends up ghosting him and then, after not hearing from her for a week, he sees her out, with John and they are happy, hugging, b ring affectionate. He knew he wasn’t going to have a shot with her because she wasn’t going to leave John. The only way he had a chance was if John couldn’t possibly be an option for her. I think it’s extremely suspicious that he didn’t send ANYTHING in response to her text on 1/29 when she said “John died”. That’s a huge red flag, one of many!

[@marygoff3332]

Bingo. 😊

[@allanholder8948]

The text messages ended up helping Karen. It proved she saw John and Sullivan making out, it proved she was frustrated with her relationship with John, but still said he was a good guy. I think it showed John was neglecting her emotionally and taking advantage of her. I think it showed Higgins was not such a good friend as he stated. What best friend wants to have sex with your girl behind his back. The text messages started out bad but Alan Jackson exposed the truth.

[@amandamacabre]

I agree completely. I think any parent on the jury would be like "parenting is HARD." And we already have testimony that John would give her crap for spoiling the kids. She was TRYING and getting shit on for it anyway? Who wouldn't feel overwhelmed, stressed and angry when they're taking care of kids that aren't their own, watching them on NYE while your partner drinks and then you catch him in what you think is him feeling up another girl? I'd be SO pissed. But I don't think any of these texts show she wanted to kill him. I think Higgins was her way of testing to see if a dude would still want her.

[@KittyBeans369]

@@amandamacabreYes! Glad that someone else sees this. I think that Karen was very upset and confused about her relationship with JO. She was feeling low and reached out to see whether another man would be attracted to her and/or interested in a relationship with her.

[@silviamedina6156]

I think Karen killed or sent someone to killed John,sorry she did not love John,poor kids are sufferring with out their parents and uncle.

[@Denise-vt6bw]

I think KR is torn because she really liked/loved John, but the kids changed everything, which changed her feelings

[@sunnyann7]

Happens all the time when families are blended.

[@CH-vm6cq]

He had the kids before they started dating right?

[@citigirlcountrified1927]

​@@CH-vm6cqduring

[@joanniebryan8]

@@CH-vm6cqthey were dating and his sister passed away. That’s when he gained custody and they broke up. This past relationship was a rekindle.

[@gingerhickerson5792]

She also said that the whole sister‘s death and that situation changed him, which I am sure it did, but he needs help and he shouldn’t be pushing her away. He should be taking help from whom ever wants to be there and not be so critical. it is hard for someone to be an instant parent, when they never even had a baby let alone trying to include that into a relationship sounds very difficult

[@calliew311]

This case is insane. I was telling my husband last night that every day I think it can't get worse, as in more sus, and yet it does. I was trying to explain this case to my mom, and I remembered like 17 of the suspicious things off the top of my head, but since I don't live with her, she doesn't get the daily recap of the 672 other shady things done in this case, so while it seems bad, its actually much worse if you actually watch the case or wrap ups daily. 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@anneorsini1217]

I think the sally port section was effective, putting BH and head cop there when her car was brought in and then magically tail light pieces found at the alberts.

[@julesthecat.]

Agreed. Super sketch.

[@sammurphhhhHH]

The sally port camera simply doesn’t recall and needs to see the report to refresh its memory

[@itsjust_Lisa]

​@@sammurphhhhHH excellent comment 👏🏼

[@kristenpino4635]

More of that will come when Proctor and others are on the stand.

[@vickihatherley3448]

Carnt wait for proctor on the stand

[@kaymusictaylor7214]

The prosecution hasn't presented a case.

[@barbaramay1866]

There is more evidence and forensics to come.

[@PhysicsGamer]

@@barbaramay1866 How many more weeks do we need to get to the first piece?

[@barbaramay1866]

@@PhysicsGamer Getting through the witnesses has been a chore because Jackson spends a lot of time distorting the truth for the Jury.

[@PhysicsGamer]

@@barbaramay1866 How many times has Lally asked about that snowstorm?

[@ambernecho]

All the witness/officers involved in this case need to be regularly tested for alcohol intoxication. It’s scary the drinking & driving they did. Defense did a good job today exposing a possible motive for Higgins.

[@PurpleHaze_11]

The whole department must be face palming as they watch this on tv, there’s gotta be natural consequences happening

[@lorenemorrissey1007]

Karen seems to have initiated this hook up, she is in a relationship with John O’Keefe and is playing games. Brian Higgins definitely is interested in her but is being skeptical about where she’s coming from about what she wants from any kind of relationship she’s interested in. It doesn’t seem like he’s only interested in a physical relationship.

[@tommywiseguy]

I think your commentary on this trial is the best on KZbin. You keep the pace up, too.

[@mighty0974]

Nope. Brooks commentary was golden.

[@lizzeltired2155]

I like EDB more. But watch them both

[@MK-sg3nx]

I agree

[@tommywiseguy]

A link for brooks , edb????

[@MF-cj4by]

I like his commentary but I hate that the trial testimony is sped up so they all sound like they are continually inhaling helium.

[@Daddybernardo]

When you are innocent it is not difficult to answer questions. Each witness has been defensive and elusive. When they can’t reshape the narrative they just say “I don’t recall” or “maybe.” Anyone who wants to determine reasonable doubt just has to wonder how does a simple party where nobody interacted with John get so difficult to explain? It should be so easy. This level of difficulty clearly indicates something went on in that house.

[@tonystevenson26]

It's that punk Colin , a bad seed

[@jendemp72]

There is so much that makes me question this case so far and I came in really knowing nothing. All these butt dails, all these rehomed phones, who just threws away a phone? You keep it as a backup or use as a trade in. All these witness can't recall this and that then a question they don't like is a definite absolutely not. Last point no one brought up but bugs me is John didn't want people on his lawn why would he get out where he would have to walk across someone's lawn???

[@citigirlcountrified1927]

WOW! Great point

[@sammurphhhhHH]

Right like it’s a recession and idc what anyone says, cops do not make “my whole family throws away their iPhone every year (without even trading it in-just straight up purchasing a brand new thousand dollar phone)” type money. Even the cops who are making the low 6 figures we saw… their salaries would’ve been a lot in a previous time but they all have like 65 kids who are all in sports and huge houses and multiple cars and they go out and travel and stuff. IMO they’re either in EXTREME debt, they’re involved in something sketchy, or they’re lying. The only other thing I can think of is if they game the phone companies by constantly adding new lines or changing providers, which is probably a reasonable possibility considering the shit they are involved with

[@The_10th_Man]

Also BH got rid of his phone so these are all screenshots that he saved, which makes them unreliable evidence.

[@caymansalesperson8381]

Not to mention the prosecutor just dragggggging on. Omg !! … ‘what kind of donuts did you buy, did they have sprinkles, were the sprinkles gluten free, how did you know they were gluten free, did you tip? How much did you tip, was it in cash? ‘ OMG just stop!

[@HHart03]

lol, the common wealth is getting little evidence and any evidence is trampled by the rambling. Just get to the point

[@Jessica-vz7sq]

Who, if anyone sold you the donuts? How would describe the weather? What if anything did you see when you were leaving

[@Emmaleesa4]

He has to be doing it because he has so little to go on!?

[@brightbleu]

Thanks for giving me a chuckle - I need it with this trial!

[@Southernheathen13]

He did it on purpose to run down the clock on how long the defense was able to cross. He has done the same thing over and over with other witnesses

[@MeganMK]

So Higgins was also drinking… had a clunky plow on his jeep and left around the time John died. Perhaps he hit him on accident 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@susanyamini]

I think the law students need to watch this Defense on this trial.

[@kellys6164]

I'm kind of new here, but Peter you are outstanding. I love your approach and humility. I love how you explain all the things. I have a life, but suddenly, I don't, because I can't look away from this train wreck of a trial.

[@MegsLostPassword]

It sounds like KR was mad and used Highins as a distraction until she and John had made up.

[@fconstraints]

If Karen Read really did kill John then the State witnesses are some of the sketchiest and most suspicious "innocent" people of all time 😂

[@danart11811]

BH’s missing phone has everything to do with those who also rehomed their phones.

[@barbaramay1866]

There is no missing phone!

[@Alison1973]

​@barbaramay1866 it's missing because it was destroyed.

[@Majoofi]

The way Higgins is testifying like a cop giving a report and referring to her as the defendant serves to distance himself from the story.

[@danielearnshaw2221]

Because he IS distant from the story. He is an excellent witness and making the defense attorney look like the clown he is…again. The story is that Read admitted to murdering John. Higgins isn’t even relevant.

[@dreamtrance9892]

​@danielearnshaw2221 for a case that clearcut, it's sure taking the prosecution a long time to prove John was murdered by her car... I'm not interested in motive or the Alberts, I want to know how this poor man died and what must have happened that night according to the evidence

[@danielearnshaw2221]

@@dreamtrance9892 It’s taking a long time because the prosecutor, knowing the defense theory, is simply putting all the persons on the stand that the defense is accusing of conspiring to murder. If not for this ludicrous theory of the defense, the trial would be brief. Karen Read admitted to hitting John multiple times. This is the way a good prosecutor does it, proving there is nothing to hide.

[@B_Bodziak]

It sounds like he was drunk enough to have hit him when he left.

[@kimberlykendall3835]

@@danielearnshaw2221 IMO his testimony also led me to the idea that maybe John confronted him about the ring camera stuff he saw and a fight might’ve broken out that night 🤷🏻‍♀️ I think his testimony is super relevant and distancing isn’t the way to clear himself of any involvement just like the rest

[@Lady_Law]

Absolutely ghosted him. She caught a case of guilt and pulled back. May be a point for her that she didn’t follow through.

[@gingerhickerson5792]

Like I said, in another reply, think of all the things through the years that we do when we’ve been drinking or a little high, I think she realize she might’ve went a little too far and pulled back out of embarrassment and feeling a little foolish that’s it he really likes her and it seem like she just wanted itcompanionship for the night a little bit of reversals there

[@leannabedore]

If feels like a revenge kiss. Like she really believed John and the girl in Aruba were making out, almost convinced herself. Also if the girl is telling the truth about that. I don't know who to believe.

[@bethmccrae2714]

She tried to follow through by going to Higgins home. She said in her messages that inviting a man for drinks means sex. But Higgins rejected her

[@Sunshinejen]

She was with John and maybe just didn’t want to answer the text in front of John. Also, maybe her coziness with John was a game trying to throw it in Brian’s face after she went over to Brian’s house and nothing happened.

[@leannabedore]

@@bethmccrae2714 I didn't get that from the story, and not what happened that night for sure.

[@Followthefacts]

I can’t even imagine what the family was thinking when those texts were read. Thank god they weren’t riddled with salacious acts.

[@darter81]

I was thinking that. As painful as they were, at least they weren't worse,

[@nicci337]

If he had access to her phone could it be possible that she never sent them and hes fabricated them to make it look like she didn't have a good relationship with John?

[@timblanch7577]

Yes, they could have been a lot more salacious, I don’t think that Karen was really physically attracted to him, he started it first when he beeped at her while she was using a ww , 🙋‍♀️✨

[@jenniferrideaux58]

I listen with EDB, then listen to your opinion, then listen to Runkle’s opinion. Love getting all three of y’all’s thoughts and views from three different types of attorneys.

[@rileyallen489]

I think it's possible for someone to love specific children and treat them well while also being overwhelmed. Karen said in the texts she didn't have kids for a reason. That's a valid feeling to have, and I'm not surprised she had a hard time coping with helping John take care of two traumatized teenagers.

[@janegardener1662]

Very shady that HIggins threw the phone away.

[@phoebeb.332]

I agree. Fugitive aprehender 🧐 Ugh he has probably disturbed so many households doing that work and beat so many people up. Destroying your phone is never the move. Plus isn’t everything in the cloud anyway??

[@silviamedina6156]

There a lots of masacre in U.S because some people instead to defend the Law enforcement they agree with the criminals.Karen is a CollegeTeacher she should know that driving drunk is ilegal in this country,she should be arrested because she said that she did not remember what she did that night,she throught herself in the bus.

[@barbaramay1866]

No it is not. He hated his phone. There was NO ORDER that he maintain his phone. He had every right to change phones and trash his old one. Without being asked, he had already turned over all relevant texts to law enforcement to help in the investigation of his friend’s murder. Shame on Jackson for being so cruel and economical with the truth.

[@nancykistner7167]

It is very common for people in law enforcement and government to drink and drive here. I live in Massachusetts.

[@Gringa_L]

54:00 My impression is that she's trying to set up a soft place to land IN CASE she decides to leave John, but if John treated her better she wouldn't want to leave. A lot of people can't stand the idea of leaving a bad relationship as the loser. And a lot of women find too much of their worth in being in a relationship, any relationship.

[@katekrieger4646]

The fact he was ghosted may not prove he was guilty of premeditated murder, but it does prove it’s entirely possible that in a drunken rage, when confronted in front of his friends, he could have beat him up!

[@Emmaleesa4]

After hearing this, it does seem like the most likely scenario. Especially if she did actually leave him at the waterfall and he made his own way to the house?? Doesn't all line up nicely to explain everything but I'm not sure it ever will.

[@anyone_but_me]

No way. This guy definitely didn’t beat him up are you smoking crank. 😂

[@Emmaleesa4]

@@anyone_but_me Definitely?? You should really be up there as a witness if you were there! Oh wait.… Stop being an idiot and making personal attacks against people who disagree with you. None of us know, we’re speculating.

[@nicci337]

Yes it would make perfect sense for him to be angry at john, or for John to be angry at him and confront him for sending the messages.

[@jeangillespie5386]

If he was truly johns friend he would not have txt her back . He’s a creep who was trying to steal his friend’s girlfriend and Karen was just looking for a bit of attention that she wasn’t getting from John. She realised it was wrong and stopped but he continued to pursue. The CW are trying so hard at character assassination because that’s all they have.They were not married and Karen could end the relationship at any time so there is absolutely no reason for her to kill him. She’s an intelligent woman so saying that she killed him outside a house full of people some being police officers and then sat for 10 minutes with her interior light on is ridiculous. He’s obviously lying because he also god rid of his phone which must have had incriminating information on it the same way Brian Albert did. If you have nothing to hide then why do that .

[@AngiHernandez-dw1wy]

At the beginning with the texts I started to feel bad for him, but the end changed my mind about him. This was by far the most jaw dropping for me

[@BlueMomeRath]

Same!! The whole thing had me 😳😲🫣🤔🤨😠😡🤯

[@theresamitchell8896]

My son used to date a girl that did what I called "weaponized flirting" - if he did something that she deemed out of line, she'd flirt. With one of his friends. In a manor she was sure he'd hear about it. And not even stuff in his control - we went to Virginia for a dance competition, she couldn't go, she hit on his friend D. He went out with some friends when she was home sick, she hit on his best friend J on Instagram. Like, he did nothing wrong, but she didn't like it, so she needed to hurt him back. I feel like Karen Read did the same thing, texting this dude. She was mad, she needed to strike back. It's a terrible way to conduct yourself in a relationship, but it still doesn't make you a killer.

[@kellykourtney7402]

Jackson is a brilliant attorney

[@robinwatson5970]

Late rewatch crew here…..if you destroy your phone means something is on there that you do not want anyone to see, if I was on the jury that would be my opinion, especially anyone involved in the law profession.

[@joanniebryan8]

Agreed. Especially when your on the LE and KNOW how important digital evidence is. He admitted he knew but his “friend” with the ATF had more experience.

[@dra.latina3063]

“Law profession” is too generous a term. Now I know why the retired LE KZbin creators call their career choice the “Industry.” When I hear the term “Industry” I associate it with s*x worker industry.

[@zahedah80]

I don't blame Karen for feeling overwhelmed

[@jayjablunov4697]

Years ago SNL did a courtroom sketch with Eli Manning on the stand reviewing a series of immature and embarassing text exchanges. I used to think it was hilarious, but after today, I feel like the SNL writers came up really short.

[@Truecrimebubblegum]

I love how they just brush off the DUIs everyone was doing that night - that’s some cop shit right there

[@Beth-h2r]

Yeah, totally. And the fact that karen is charged with dui causing death is even more a slap in the face to her. They were all literally driving drunk. In the snow! Scary

[@karmaMatters123]

I’m surprised that you’re surprised that Higgins didn’t want to admit to the defence that he wanted something more with Karen. All of these witnesses deny every single thing and argue every single thing with the defense. They do so much that I am positive at some point, Jackson is going to say, you didn’t kill him or cover anything up and they’re going to say “yes, I did ,wait what what”? *Looks at the judge. I cannot believe this case went to trial. I can’t believe we have not seen one ounce of evidence. I can’t believe the only thing we’ve seen is crimes by corrupt officers. I absolutely cannot believe how biased this judge !! I just hope that this corrupt group of POS’s haven’t got to the jurors..

[@Katrina-qs2rl]

I agree completely.

[@truecrimenut6696]

@@Katrina-qs2rlME TOO

[@mandyrayner783]

Another thing.Blood was still oozing from Johns head wound surely if he had been on the ground since Karen SUV blood would have frozen by morning but the blood was still oozing from his head showing it was much later he was lay in the snow

[@michaelcalland801]

I’m not a 100% on this but I’ve seen posted several times that he was missing over 2 pints of blood. If it wasn’t pooled around his head where the hell is it ?

[@robinlennon2580]

Great live. It amazes me how many video surveillance and or videos from homes all not available. This investigation is awful especially of a fallen police officer. How do they not even think it could have been any other person. LE have to be on high alert even when off duty when you arrest criminals. Also I looked up information on writing a speech you can say 30 Lowes’s in 20 seconds and it would be clear. Thank you sir.❤

[@michaelcooke8989]

You comment should get 1000 thumbs Up ive pointed this out last month also.

[@natalienewkirk8362]

At the end, AJ asked if he threw his phone away on a military base and SIM card somewhere else. Sooooooo, I wonder if they have a video of that. It just seems so specific to ask!???

[@karliann1]

The federal investigation exposed this information.

[@ann316]

He testified that he threw them away on the military base.

[@Beth-h2r]

Tuesday will be wild.

[@karliann1]

@@Beth-h2r I can't wait it's getting spicy 🥵

[@kerim7469]

Even if he could even if the order was denied it is so suspect that he then destroyed the phone even if he could, WHY would he if he has nothing to hide?

[@Lisac4441]

Total corruption 🩷✊🏼🩷✊🏼🩷✊🏼🩷✊🏼🩷✊🏼🩷✊🏼 Justice for Karen and Officer O’Keefe ✊🏼💙✊🏼💙✊🏼💙✊🏼💙✊🏼💙✊🏼💙✊🏼💙✊🏼💙✊🏼💙

[@primalcritters]

💯💯💯💯 can't wait for the FBI to go after the McAlberts

[@JoOrtiz09]

Defining “the real deal” depends on who you ask. 1. A future together, ie marriage. Or 2. A trip to pound town. 🙌

[@cbarrett55]

Hindsight 20/20 that judge should feel bad for overturning the cell phone order

[@KatyWithAWhyyy]

Having texts like this be public is obviously super cringey and awkward but having to read them aloud in front of a packed courtroom and thousands of online viewers?? Woof. 😬

[@jayman912]

as my son would say "womp womp" lol

[@Physics072]

Sound like you were suffering from second hand cringe. Why not just talk on the phone vs texting? So much is lost in texting plus when you get your phone extracted its a cringe fest. Higgins is like a robot, zero couth.

[@jayman912]

@@Physics072 So true. Texting can miss a lot of the non verbal communication that happens while speaking. The text conversation is hard to understand what exactly is going on but I definitely had some thoughts. At first I thought he must think that perhaps it is not Karen and that it could be someone pretending and waiting to see how he reacts. But when we find out she kissed him in front of the camera in the garage or breezeway wherever it happened I then wondered what the hell she was thinking because she knows it will show up and he probably checks it or gets screen shots. I have so many questions what I would give to be a fly on the wall that night. I wonder if we will ever get close to the truth. At this point I would not convict Karen too much doubt about all the shadiness. I am now curious what the Federal Investigation shows. What a roller coaster today. Cheers

[@Physics072]

@@jayman912 What does womp womp mean? Is that baby talk? how old is your son?

[@jayman912]

@@Physics072 Womp womp would not be baby talk he is a teen they say it. Imagine when someone does something funny and instead of bursting out laughing you say HA Ha in two different tones it is like that. When someone does something like a fail you would say womp womp in 2 tones. I am just a parent lol kids have their own language they use and womp womp has been a popular one lately.

[@deepstatethrombosis]

So... All these cops, on that night, AT LEAST, drove drunk. The investigators that were in charge of her case are friends with all these cops that were involved that night. Then, they add drunk driving to HER charges?? Wtf? At the very least, this is hypocritical and ignorant. At most, it's all legitimately EVIL.

[@catsemh1948]

All I know if that was any civilian we would be in deep trouble for doing what some of these so called witness cops did

[@michaelcooke8989]

That what Makes me so sick an irrated. And forever look at LE sideways.

[@Loislane0404]

Im watching your coverage of the trial everyday and loving it. Nearly 2hours is needed for this chaos. So much to summarise.

[@Leeta]

OMG people its Higgins. His tow truck is gone...his phone is gone...the sim card in two pieces in one garbage bin thrbphone is on another...the salley port vid gone...with Karens car under it with an IN TACT right rear brake light.

[@francescawilliams8177]

Speaking of which , when and why did he rehome his truck? I was exhausted by the time I finished those cringy texts then the bombshells about missing video at Canton PD and him throwing away his phone at federal property.

[@tonystevenson26]

S H A D Y

[@SharonCovey]

You are so right!!! She was flirting with him. He minimized his involvement.

[@beagoodhuman473]

Most of these people on the stand are not just testifying for the prosecution…it sounds like they work for the prosecution.

[@MoleyRussellswart2022]

You must have missed him conceding he saw a tall, dark-haired man enter the house. He did implicate the McAlberts with that concession.

[@leannabedore]

Until today I didn't consider Brian Higgins as a possible person with motive. Could that explain the scratches on John Okeefe? since he mentions his plow scraping on the ground that night? and also out of all the witnesses so far, Higgins has gone the most lengths to hide and cover things up. Just added another big layer to this onion😭

[@jeremyvandenbosch5114]

Anyone else think John found out and confronted Brian and that’s how and where a fight broke out and he ended up dead or severely beaten and left outside? John may have started a fight and forgive me if the evidence has not been presented about his hands and head being injured versus what should be noticeable injuries being struck by a vehicle. This case stinks so bad and hopefully Karen is set free and the true perps are brought to justice!

[@L-n-o-v-a]

40:25 I like the way Brian seems to treat her in their convos though. Like the way he said “it does matter.” This trial has me hooked… I love learning more about what their lives were like. Especially interactions like this where they are confiding to someone else about how they really feel

[@gloriaalfstad6953]

I agree. He didn’t want a flight, wanted a relationship. The texts make Karen look worse than BH

[@carynmason3421]

The real deal is definitely a relationship, not just messing around

[@Anon204-h8u]

To me, sounds like she was just looking for some attention befalling she was hurt that he cheated.

[@jennifercorrell1009]

Man I missed alot who did he cheat with

[@citigirlcountrified1927]

​@@jennifercorrell1009Aruba with a little family friend honey

[@ScotsLass468]

No evidence he cheated KR's wrong assumption

[@Armchairdetective189]

He didn’t cheat. Karen over reacted when she saw him in the lobby giving his friends sister a hug.

[@primalcritters]

​@@Armchairdetective189we don't know that there aren't other incidents of him flirting with other women. What we do know is that the men clearly did not like John evidenced by the fact that they murdered him

[@L.Piper214]

Karen had stopped replying to his msgs over a week prior. I think she was going through a lot personally and wanted someone she could vent to. I keep going back to she had said a few times that he reminded her of home, and as an outsider - I'm sure that was somewhat comforting. After Aruba, I think it bothered her more than she was willing to admit and in a way, wanted to get back at John, as in, making him see that she WANTS to be with him not HAS to. I think Karen wanted to spend more time with John, and she felt like she had to constantly seek approval from his (mostly female) friends. Do I think Karen wanted to be with Higgins? No. If she wanted to, she would have. A big clue is Karen bringing her friend along for drinks with Higgins. There was no intimacy, no nude photos, no I love yours, nothing. In a way, I think she wanted to feel wanted, but the fact she was so vague and evasive...she wasn't that into him. Lastly, we all heard the panic and desperation in Karen's screams when she found John - there is no doubt in my mind she loved him so much. They were just working through a rough patch. All healthy relationships have them, and they were no different. She may have already overheard the "babysitter with benefits" comment, and she may have taken that to heart and made her question everything, including herself. That would be a hard thing to hear. We've heard throughout testimony how much Karen did for the kids, took care of them, and seemed to genuinely care for them very much. It's hard when a married couple has a new baby, I can only imagine how exacerbated that would be with a preteen/teenager coming into your relationship. That would be a huge adjustment and would take time. I'm through it all, I do not doubt Karen's love for John, not for a second!

[@roberthopkins3621]

The only thing these texts prove is Karen Read had bad taste in men

[@basicallyno1722]

She seemed pretty bad at romantic decisions beyond just choosing the romantic partner. I get it though, it really seems like John may not have treated her well. The whole “babysitter with benefits” things rings particularly true..

[@truecrimenut6696]

@@basicallyno1722if he said that, and it was me, I’d have hit the road FAST. THAYS A DISGUSTING COMMENT ABOUT SOMEONE THAT IS HELPING YOU RAISE YOUR NEICE AND NEPHEW. UGH….

[@brandondeloney813]

Or they only wanted one thing and it cost a cop his life.

[@Camiken65]

Amen!!!

[@gingerhickerson5792]

I don’t think John ever said that about Karen, it was put out there by the mean girls of canton!

[@karmaMatters123]

So Higgins has face recognition on his phone yet he did a butt dial. I mean, the guy isn’t great looking, but I would think his phone wouldn’t mistake his butt for his face. Sorry, just had to….😉🙃 And once again, the biased judge won’t let Jackson countdown 22 seconds but every witness when asked a question by the defence can talk for 30 seconds when they’re supposed to just reply with a yes or no. They also can look at/read transcripts and documents for over 33 seconds for almost every question asked by the defence!! 🤬

[@vincedidiana5781]

@Karmamatters123. lol. Tremendous.

[@mariee.5912]

😂😂😂 he might use butt/face synonymously

[@primalcritters]

😂😂😂 Well said

[@michaelcalland801]

Not only that…..But Brian Albert coincidentally But dialed Higgins just a minute before Higgins Butt dials Brian Albert ! Absolutely Amazing ! What are the odds! And they both managed this while allegedly in bed…

[@karmaMatters123]

@@michaelcalland801 oh yes, I’m aware, also with his wife’s phone in bad as well as his glasses and while him and his wife were getting it on. Apparently he’s on the bottom and his phone also mistakes his ass for his face. Absolutely ridiculous! The fact this has gone to trial infuriates me!! I think we all just want justice and unfortunately these POS’s have got to John’s parents. I hope they eventually see the light as well as the evidence and they will want actual justice for their son 😔

[@Jer-Michael]

Human beings flirt.. definitely different degrees and open to interpretation. A simple smile and a wink could mean flirting. Do I agree with her texting him and vice versa.. absolutely not. Talk and actions are obviously different. This means nothing for motive. Higgins cross was pretty interesting

[@mariannesouza8326]

👍🏼

[@Jer-Michael]

@@mariannesouza8326 👍👍

[@JRebeccaTruthBTold]

She kissed him...i think that is a bit beyond just flirting imo

[@alanasbaby7]

Actually, I think this did help the prosecution case in that it continued the theme that KR believed JO cheated on her in Aruba. She was still fretting about it in the texts. I could see a situation where she ran him down in a jealous rage while blackout drunk. Now do I BELIEVE they have proved that? No way. I see plenty of reasonable doubt at this point. And I don't like this shoddy/shady investigation at all. I don't like the connections between the various "witnesses". Something isn't right. I just don't know exactly what.

[@primalcritters]

​@@alanasbaby7all I did for the prosecution was try to character assassinate her and that's it. If this is all they got then that leaves no case because it still does not prove she murdered him and it gives plenty of room for Brian Higgins to have motive. Personally, I don't think Brian Higgin's is the one that delivered the death blow. Aside from Chloe attacking his arm, I think Brian Albert and Colin are the one that killed him and caused the blunt Force injury and then put him on the lawn to die.

[@Whattupp-b7b]

He’s in trouble now he went and used federal equipment and stuff for his own personally use you you noticed they all got rid of their phones. Come on now all of them did.

[@DMiller912]

Just found your channel during this trial. Very refreshing! Also, i don't think the prosecution has proved anything thus far.

[@janetdobiesz768]

Same for the defense. We will see soon.

[@gingerhickerson5792]

The prosecution is boring and long winded with no real evidence at all!!

[@primalcritters]

​@@janetdobiesz768actually the defense has proven a lot. They've proven that the Mcalberts are covering up something and that John's injuries are not consistent with being hit by a car and that Jen McCabe knew John was dying at 2:27 a.m. when she googled how long to die in the cold. Plus all the rehoming home, dog, baseie, ohiens and on and on and on

[@PhysicsGamer]

@@janetdobiesz768 The defense doesn't need to prove anything.

[@lilgnomey]

32:00 I missed the live, but honestly these texts read like she’s hedging. She’s trying to keep him on the hook, while also being SUPER non-committal so she can back out if she needs. In my opinion, totally intended to make John feel threatened. It’s also a way I’ve seen insecure people soothe themselves when they’re hurt - provoke someone to show them they’re wanted. Shows Karen to be manipulative, but I am still a LONG way away from ‘she intentionally took John out’. I still can’t shake the feeling of small town ‘old royalty’ closing ranks and using their influence to point away from them though.

[@PurpleHaze_11]

Excellent analogy

[@MimiDidi121]

John’s injuries look more like she’s been beat up than hit by a car. He would have to be on his knees to get hit in the eye with the tail light, and where does the/on the back of his head and all the slashes on his arm come from, after hearing all these text messages I think it is just as likely that Brian H beat the hell out of him. I feel like they got into a physical altercation over Karen and Brian Albert helped him drag into the lawn, thinking he would get up and stumble away. With what I know right now, if I had to pick someone who is responsible for John O’Keefe‘s death, I would say the Brian‘s! JMHO!

[@kellypujue999]

EXACTLY WHAT I BEEN SAYING was he tying his shoe lol 😂there’s no way she would not of hit his legs or thighs smh 🤦‍♀️ this looks like he was jealous got there this guy was there and something went wrong dog bit him while fighting owner find the dog too n get impressions of her teeth they said they rehomed they knew they own their home y rehome dog

[@laurenmj3653]

That’s just not normal to break and throw an old phone away. He’s a freaking liar

[@rewindradiouk]

Brian Higgins's explanation about the phone extraction was this ​​ ' I wanted to extract the text string between John O'Keefe and the defendant' .. HOW would that be on HIS phone ??? Did nobody pick up on that ?

[@Shashie24]

No, I think he meant he had a string of texts between him and John and a string of texts between him and KR.

[@j.c.7555]

@@Shashie24yes that’s what I got from this.

[@moriordan85]

He meant his text thread with Karen and his text thread with John

[@baz80s18]

I think the text show her wanting nothing more than a friend with benefits. It even seems like shes mad that he's trying to get a relationship. So it doesn't make her look good. But definitely doesn't make her look like she was in a relationship that she'd k*ll someone for.