"LAZY SONG-MAKING ON THIS PROJECT" | Joe Budden REACTS to Brent Faiyaz New Album

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[@SireDoll]

This album is like a movie without the video….. love this album even the skits

[@extraitdeminimalisme2533]

Same, love it.. I swear they some hatin ass niggas that base their opinions off abysmal, uncultured tastes

[@THEMADVILLAIN.]

lol

[@ripplo_effect]

I wasn’t expecting those skits and it turned out to be amazing!

[@3rdDistrictTV]

Headphones or the bigs??

[@FreedomReigns99]

The skits was the best part about the album lol

[@courtneysocutec]

Brent is a minimalistic artist ON PURPOSE. That’s his whole aesthetic, he literally in his own lane. If u gotta ask why BRENT FAIYAZ didn’t auto tune his voice (😂😂🤣) u shouldn’t be reviewing it period

[@humanseason39]

Um.... No one is saying that minimalism is bad, but you didn't peep that he was off-key on a few tracks??? Like where was the engineer that was supposed to keep him on-key?? That's the point of autotune (which I'm 99% sure he used, just as everyone else in the industry does) The critique wasn't just about the stylistic alterations that autotune can offer (ie that alien sounding voice), but more so that the tracks were literally not on-key....

[@courtneysocutec]

I’m under the firm belief that everything Brent does, he does it intentionally. What’s off key to some sounds perfect to many. 🫶🏾

[@kingofcomments1917]

@@humanseason39 the same thing ear sweat shirt , roc Marciano, griselda is doing with rap Brent is doin with rnb . That’s his niche off kilter , minimalism and untraditional

[@humanseason39]

@@kingofcomments1917 in terms of talent/sharpening of ability, Earl Sweatshirt is light years ahead of Brent. Idrc what Brent is trying to do with his creative niche, I’m just commenting on the execution, which needs work

[@Marko-nh3dn]

He makes music.

[@Waters..]

Brent definitely snapped. The album got better with each listen. It’s rare for a album to progress each song. A lot of times albums start strong and then get boring but this was the total opposite.

[@OmarScruggs]

Completely disagree. Album gets better the more listens. Knowing the lyrics and spending time with the music makes good music get better

[@Waters..]

@@OmarScruggs yeah we definitely don’t agree. For some people it doesn’t take long to know wether they’ll like something and I’m one of those people. And clearly so is Joe. Me and him just happen to have different opinions but me and him listen to music similarly and we can form an opinion immediately. So yeah let’s just disagree. Cause it definitely don’t take all that for me 😂

[@d.a.npharaoh21]

agree bro. album definitely gets better with every listen, i actually thought it was good subject matter on there.

[@anthonymahomeboy1277]

album is fire! I agree that sometimes his song writing is lazy, but this one he did a really good job. The point they made about the writing being lazy and the production repetitive is how I feel about Chris Brown's music

[@Waters..]

@@anthonymahomeboy1277 exactly! Chris is one of our “legends” but struggled to make a true identity for himself and people don’t talk about it because it’s “blasphemous” but his accolades don’t match his artistry. Why is Brent being held to a high stranger than CB???? That’s some twilight zone shit. All that being said, joes critique leads me to believe that either it’s personal, or it just doesn’t benefit him to reasonably critique him. I mean after all, Joe been industry for a hot minute. It’s actually quite obvious now when he wants something specific from those artist that he treads lightly around. Who would’ve ever knew Joe would be industry after all the yelling and screaming he’s done all these years 😂

[@KwalonMaize]

This album review is going to age terribly. Loved how Brent conceptualized the album. Brent did really well capturing the vibes as usual. Just an all around great R&B album. Crazy how Joe don’t understands it but calls it lazy.

[@falconthewrstlr7020]

It’s half way lazy tho, putting a bunch of old songs kind of kills the flow of the project, I can understand if he put one or two but this man put like 4-5 old ass songs

[@MrScott-iq3el]

I only know two. What’s the others?

[@kungfuudennis3290]

@@MrScott-iq3el gravity, wasting time, dead men walking and price of fame

[@Marko-nh3dn]

@@kungfuudennis3290 Brent faiyaz

[@eddieatoms5041]

@@falconthewrstlr7020 lol. Those are singles. He put out singles just like any other artists does. I don’t see the problem. Plus the pandemic may have affected the timing of the release of the album as far as when the album dropped after the singles were released. And when you make an album you’re trying to create a cohesive body of work. So if songs fit together to make that happen then you’ll include them no matter how long it was since the single was released. Plus the singles aren’t even that old. They came out last year.

[@catrellbrownlee4763]

I feel like they shouldnt review an album until all co-host have heard it. If Joe doesnt like it and everybody else claiming they havent heard the whole album yet, it can look a certain way. I like the album, Brent has his own style, he's not a traditional RnB guy. Lastly, if you know anything about Brent's projects in the past, you'd know that his skits are sizeable part of his identity in music.

[@DeeHawk33]

EXACTLY

[@cmooreHD]

THANK YOU!. 1min into the video and everyone’s claiming they haven’t heard it. So then why is this uploaded?

[@rjm809]

Man I’m surprised Ish is still employed this man is silent oh damn near every album review because he doesn’t listen to it but this is a music podcast

[@THEMADVILLAIN.]

@@rjm809 it’s not just a music podcast tho .. how long have you been here ? you come here strictly for music reviews ?

[@mindovomatter5181]

Right….why are we reviewing music nobody heard in a hip hop podcast? That’s like listening to a political podcast but nobody knows about the topic.

[@WaveGod813]

Y'all wild, this album go hard

[@robace.holmes]

Facts 💯

[@ripplo_effect]

💯

[@lonngotti1656]

It’s solid I wouldn’t call it incredible or anything

[@christianthomas1877]

I don’t like it. N i was excited for it n extremely disappointed in it

[@baylor2times]

great album. Not for these type niggaz. They said that cb project was real good. Cuz got that old ear now.

[@Uhaul75]

No disrespect but I’m confused how you can even have a discussion on an album when not everyone is listening to more than 2 songs on the album you’re discussing

[@agyeimcarthur6193]

WASTELAND is fire. He has his own lane.

[@alexandershabazzi8890]

A lot seems to have clearly been missed and overlooked about this project from Brent, and the evolution of R&B. Brent isn't a Tank or Ginuwine lol, and his music shouldn't ever be approached as if he's attempting to be that type of artist, because he's INTENTIONALLY not doing so.

[@BrotherMalMusic]

I’m tryna tell them.

[@ENLartstudio]

Talk about it

[@dfwherbie8814]

It’s not a good album. The problem today is that people don’t know what skill and talent are.

[@jamilkadhim2366]

@@dfwherbie8814 please enlighten us about true skill and talent, Herbie🤣

[@dfwherbie8814]

@@jamilkadhim2366 well, for starters, knowing how to actually sing in key. Brent often sings sharp. The key could be in F-major, for example, and he would sing it a half-step up in F-sharp. It’s consistently off key. On top of that, since he can’t sing on key, he would further sing off key by going a half step even further, when the chord changes don’t even facilitate that. It’s not even playing outside of the changes like in jazz, which is a matter of superimposition of chords via a myriad of different techniques (Tri-tones, substitutions via 3rds, etc), it’s just incoherent singing and poor taste. Also, his songwriting is so-so. Lastly, the orchestration on this album was ehh. It was ill-placed. Sault does this better. I really think the issue with stuff like this is that people need to actually dig and listen to more music, and more variety

[@justnickperiod4658]

Joe: You think I only understand traditional R&B? Alex: No, I think you know everything. Joe got the minions on lock lmao

[@parkshermoso1012]

😂

[@devontrawallace1811]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@foursup3139]

I have never heard Joe give Brent his props in all his years doing this rnb heavy podcast as he champions every other rnb artist smh lol

[@LilPaycheck]

Did you not watch the clip ?

[@foursup3139]

@@LilPaycheck yea what did I miss .

[@interesting7485]

@@foursup3139 that he doesn't like his music lol

[@jayinthebx]

Right and i felt like that Lucky Daye album was lazy and not so good. Compared to this. But Joe will never say that about Lucky Daye.

[@foursup3139]

@@jayinthebx I just told my girl he think lucky daye the best thing in the world and he’s the definition of a nasally singer lol . Than gone say he talk about the same shit that’s when I knew

[@wushadnin7294]

If you listened to rolling stone and loose change and thought it was trash, i cant take ur music taste seriously lol

[@ingarywetrust]

I like the album…and that’s honestly just it. I feel like problem with Brent is that his form of R&B could be too minimal for some people (older) but that’s works perfectly for the younger generation due to the fact that we’re in the day of age where lyrics and some times even vocals is not the focal point anymore.

[@user-kt4fc2yi3n]

Exactly this. Joe wants r&b singers to hit all kinds of crazy runs and ad lib oowweee’s in the background and doesn’t really appreciate the minimalistic approach Brent presents which is okay lol he’s wrong but it’s okay to be.

[@flyghtmyleage6041]

minimal? I like 112 and Usher and Jagged Edge, but this album was not minimal at all. Gravity had so much structure in sound, lyrics, and structure

[@lovebattlerap3341]

Yea he going for the majority of his fans so to call it lazy is crazy

[@ingarywetrust]

@@flyghtmyleage6041 If he’s speaking, singing, or rapping for 45 seconds on a 5 minute song…yeah that’s considered minimal lol

[@doncolethepoet]

But the beats were terrible

[@DBrown-vg1fi]

First time in a long time I liked an album as soon as it dropped. I’m an old soul so I usually like the oldies but Brent has it! Sounds a lot like art to me unlike most of the music out today! Reminds me of Static Major mixed with Aaliyah and Frankie

[@realcommunitygamers]

Brent smacked with his album! His vibe is different even though it's r&b. If you really fuck with r&b, Brent is a solid artist.

[@ObservingtheMatrix]

It’s crazy because he spent all that time killing the songs and I loved every snippet he played. Brent might wanna thank Joe Budden because I think almost people watched this and like me went to go listen because the tracks he don’t like are fire lol

[@JohnSmith-er5gv]

This Brent album just wasn’t it

[@ObservingtheMatrix]

@@JohnSmith-er5gv this comment is just too late ⏰ 😉😂

[@Coronaboii88]

Yea, when Joe shitted on Ro James second album, I knew I couldn’t take his opinion on music too seriously. This album is a great body of work. Straight art. The music, sequencing, skits, etc. You can tell he studied great albums to inspire him to put this joint together. Brent and Breezy delivered this summer.

[@sugarismagic]

He did what!!! Ro is musical pleasure to my ears

[@P0k3D0nd3M4cG]

I already knew he wasn't going to like it on first listen. This isn't his bag. He likes the more pop-y/traditionally structured stuff

[@NachoNick502]

Brent is the most experimental artist in the r&b world. His sound is so minimal that it’s becomes complex. Idk if that is intentional but it works for him. I’ve noticed he makes alotta songs with no drums. It adds a certain aesthetic and creates a mystique that makes connect with his lyrics. Still sitting with the album but it’s decent so far.

[@audrickpowell9575]

Ehhh

[@truthtella3371]

😂😂😂😂😂 capin hard

[@stacyhouston3312]

You’re crazy Chris brown is number one

[@thedissilent2548]

The most experimental in the r&b world? Have u never heard of Fka twigs, Solange, Sampha?

[@ermissandis7742]

I love Brent's music!!! But im not gonna justify this project as experimental... The writing was lazy the production was interesting but needed more... And i hate that people go from fuck the world which was a masterpiece to this trying to justify how lazy it was.

[@ChieffRocka]

Lol at Joe going hard on Brent for “lazy song making” but defending Drake’s laziest album 🤡

[@perry813]

It's called having different opinions lol. Nothing wrong with that.

[@brando3424]

@@perry813 the issue is in Joe's claim that he made. It's too easily applicable to Drake's last album.

[@agendaxpushers1322]

you right about that cause that drake shhh trash

[@ahmedelnoor6703]

The latest Drake album was anything but lazy however if you’re talking about Certified lover boy I agree however Joe’s point paraphrased is a lazy Drale album is better than 90% of artists right now

[@jfraz1992]

How was honestly, nvm lazy when he went a whole different lane? If anything CLB was lazy because he didn’t do anything different

[@ngoni266]

We may disagree with Joe…the album may truly be fire (I love it), but something in me says Brent can do way better…something.

[@kenyattanyirenda1213]

Of course we all can do better

[@Waters..]

@@kenyattanyirenda1213 exactly.

[@christachios]

what is this comment lmfao... I mean I agree with you it was fire but the delivery of this take is janky AF lol

[@16cuhhhh]

Why give them all of you when you can save some for other albums

[@d.michael372]

The something in you is right!

[@iTakeCoolpix]

This album was fire. I wasn’t a fan of his before I listened and really enjoyed it. Also man y’all must start listening to the full projects before recording the podcast. That isn’t fair to the artists if y’all providing dialogue without even listening.

[@tequilas.9320]

I LOVE Brent Faiyaz! Love his style and voice. like the other staff member said he’s NOT “traditional” which I LOVE! And for a Independent artist he’s doing a damn good job! 👏🏽 💐 💯

[@PyroGandhi]

The people giving Brent the high praise have bought in and fuck with his style. I dislike "traditional R&B" but I fuck with the "new age" r&b that Bryson and Brent push. With brent (more specifically sonder) though its half the vocals/ lyrics and the rest is the cinematic sounds. The producers on his team are the other half, especially when hes with Atu and Dpat. You gotta really listen to to them layers.

[@P0k3D0nd3M4cG]

Agree 100%

[@1badmotherucker947]

Sonder was phenomenal

[@wesmanbeats]

Bro said he hates Aaron hall🤦🏾‍♂️ should’ve hid that

[@Marko-nh3dn]

I can’t liee, they do have lazy styles. But there has to be something else to contrast it. Until then, they are the standard

[@JBthe3rd]

They tripping. This album hard. Brent is some of our favorite artist favorite artist.

[@ty3691285]

I'm a longtime Brent fan. Back to AM Paradox. And I haven't listened enough to this new album to say if its good or bad. But I will say this is the first time there wasn't at least 4 or 5 standout songs for me. Rolling Stone is incredible though.

[@BrotherMalMusic]

This is a wild take tbr. Do you think his last album had more standout songs? Bc the only songs I still play from _Fuck the World_ are _Clouded_ and _Been Away._ This album would hit harder if 3 of the songs weren’t from 2020 and 2021, but most of the rest of the album is still on a loop since it dropped.

[@ayoonine]

AM Paradox and Sonder INTO Ep is crazy

[@Bo55edup]

@@BrotherMalMusic More than 3 of the songs on this album are old and I think that played a big factor in the lack of excitement from listeners who are real fans of Brent b/c I know it was for me🤷‍♂️. I was expecting to hear all new joints that I haven't already heard and digested. I remember when hearing the announcement that Drake and Brent had collabed on a song when it first released and thinking how dope it was that 2 of my current favorite artists had finally collaborated, then hearing it only to be underwhelmed even though it eventually grew on me. I do agree on the take about the skits though, I personally can do without them but I understand him trying to somewhat tell a story by including them and the cohesiveness.

[@vaighnhunter3333]

Rolling stone is crazyyy

[@nealbantham91]

I would say this album is not entirely for the day 1s. There's tracks on here to be played at different venues. All mine would go dumb at huge festivals. Role model should be played at runaways. This album is for everyone.

[@BHTSGOHARD]

Brent had a show in the projects Friday in my hometown of east la. Appreciate somebody like Brent coming out to show love to a community that doesn’t get a lot of love by entertainers. This album is dope

[@zachwarren6695]

I can understand not liking this album, even though I love it. But the way Joe hates on Brent’s music as a whole is insane.

[@sabiaottley5318]

I rock with Brent because his vibe and personality come out in his music and I can relate to it. It’s more about the sounds than lyrics IMO. But I appreciate his lyrics even when they are simple because they are honest and raw.

[@MVPboppin]

As a Brent fan, I kinda agree with what Joe is saying. I enjoyed the album on the first listen. But my main issue with Brent is that he gives us like 20 seconds of good singing/flow and then stops. Maybe it’s because I like more traditional structuring in songs. But I really just want Brent to just go for it more on songs.

[@SummrBrk]

I completely agree with this take

[@SummrBrk]

Would you say he falls into the drake:sing/rap lane?

[@jay-sun]

Brent is evolving as a artist and has stated that he wanted to have a different flow/rhythm as he grows, this take is terrible even tho I understand it’s your opinion, but the dude is not going to keep going with the same approach, this album is fire all the way through and rolling stone, all mine and loose change are amazing tracks that solidifies the whole theme of the album too

[@PyroGandhi]

@@jay-sun Yeah this has been brent for ever. He has a style and is going to commit to it. The only difference on this album is the producing is kicked up a notch and theres higher orchestration involved. While Joe is right that great music can be instantly understood, some of my favorite songs of all time took me a minute to sit with, which has been mostly true with his music. Loose change and jackie brown are two of the best songs ive heard this year.

[@zamarmartin5805]

That shit hard cause man be zooted and in that life

[@ripplo_effect]

Yea I wasn’t expecting this reaction. I love you Joe, but this album is a masterpiece. Idk what happened between y’all, but you trippin bro

[@Takeiteazy89]

Brent musta took a shorty or 2 from joe 😂

[@ripplo_effect]

@@Takeiteazy89 😂 gotta be somethin cuz wtf!!!!

[@morgan21dm]

Joe is a old head😭😭😭😭🔋

[@undrtddrmzmedia3331]

Masterpiece my ass this shit was trashhhh

[@christachios]

Joe just won't ever have millions of fine women throwing cat at him or screaming his name. He not built like Brent fr. L build looool

[@datWAYNEtrain]

I've been waiting on him to revisit this. The album is great and definitely gets better with time.

[@Medinasteph]

Album has no skips🔥 Brent did his thing

[@nickjagger6351]

The album dropped Friday. I’ve saved 8 out of the 19 songs so far. That’s my take

[@shaqjones2124]

Same here

[@antonioartemus7739]

Joe burden you kill me tryna give your opinions on albums and I’m tryna figure out what was your best album . Brent faiyaz wasteland album was literally the vibe that he wanted you to feel

[@donproductionsbeatzlawani2130]

You nasty have not listened to mood music

[@MrJbake17]

Lazy song making but your podmates don’t hear the albums y’all talk about 😂

[@FaridAhmed_1]

This album is Fire, Joe just be saying anything !!

[@Makeitoutkev]

Hell yea, same nigga that said frank ocean and jay electronicas album was trash

[@christachios]

basically yeah. thats what a joe does

[@Essphor]

so basically if someone doesn't like what you like they "just be saying anything"

[@d.michael372]

@@Essphor todays world

[@kevinilozor720]

@@Essphor but the thing is he literally hasn't listened through the whole project lol so how can he give a whole hearted and complete opinion based on an incomplete analysis

[@maeganrose]

I didn’t like the album first listen, but as I gave it more listens, this album was beautifully made and I loved the production and storyline.

[@AaronSmith-iz5wv]

Different form of R&b that’s all. Dope project !!

[@nathanieladams2052]

Joe is talkin like somebody who is just now discovering Brent. I don’t think he’s as familiar with him as he claims cause Brent has literally been sounding like this since he dropped. Nothing has changed. Lmao

[@kuzzodilla]

Dats definitely part of his argument

[@kikoferras7369]

Yea I agree. I feel like his music is a bit lackluster. But maybe I'm expecting too much because I miss the great early 2000s R&b

[@ianmiller7882]

Brand New Album Drop 💿 Ish: “I listened to like 20 seconds of one of them. I ain’t really feel it like that.”

[@Bo55edup]

Facts!💯🤦‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤣 Whenever they discuss new album takes have Ish switch seats with Alex lol b/c his takes hold no validity and I rock with Ish but ...mannn🤐 lmao😄

[@rjm809]

Man doesn’t even listen to music idk how joe hasn’t checked him about this

[@k-kallenrsa8905]

I could listen to Brent all day ,I don’t care what these oldies say

[@oppchoppashotta]

Watched this and then listened to the whole album and the album is 🔥 idk what side of the bed they woke up on today but I pray tomorrow is a better day for them

[@adrians-ro8kk]

This album was great. It's grown even more on me over the past year.

[@azitsallgood2514]

The album was fire calling it lazy is crazy!

[@bmw2389]

Might be album of the year , he went crazy

[@MrScott-iq3el]

Relax bruh

[@bmw2389]

@@MrScott-iq3el 😂 ikr

[@rarena7406]

Brent’s voice is so good I like that he kinda teases us with his voice he leaves you wanting more in a good way in my opinion.

[@hisham8478]

I definitely agree with the lazy song making part, off the first listen i was super disappointed the songs sounded empty no 808s no drums or bridges, then I listened to it again for what it is and I understood that that’s his style and swag so now it’s cool to me

[@d.michael372]

Brent best work still from start to finish is Sonder Man! It was so raw. At times you could feel the hood Melodie’s from the 90’s emerge. This Brent is a certified star. His sound now seems to be representing his post fame life. It’s dark and flashy for the most part. I found myself really wanting to love this project because I phuc w Brent’s music. It has some moments, but I wouldn’t say this is a phenomenal body of work.

[@Ekwiksilver]

Sonder really brings out the best of him. They balance him out

[@d.michael372]

@@Ekwiksilver that’s what I’m saying 4 sho

[@conduitofthegospeldarrellb9154]

Truth

[@Omilloadams]

The album was a movie that was well put together if you can’t relate just say that 💯.

[@iAmcee4]

9 outta 19 songs out the album going crazy rn and the numbers keep going up and they have some nerve talking down on this work of art that’s crazy 😪

[@the30secondsidehustle8]

That Brent Project was Fire

[@brando3424]

A really garbage take coming from Joe. Yes, there's levels to toxicity but let's not forget that you can be toxic on these rnb records

[@branflakee4257]

Donell jones- where I wanna be is the manipulative toxicity that Joe is use to. Brent can never touch that level of toxicity

[@brando3424]

@@branflakee4257 if Brent is toxic, then he's toxic and if the music is toxic then he achieves the milestone. He's clearly relationship toxic

[@juicegawdzavo194]

This Take was spot on tho

[@jayinthebx]

This album fire. Idk what Joe talking about I heard off one listen... And i liks the skits

[@OO-hs6wb]

@@branflakee4257 Thank you!!!! All the older R&B acts were no better, Joe was out here dirty macking talking bout “all the things your man won’t do” donell Jones stalking a woman and let’s not get started on mr pied pedo himself R Kelly.

[@TallRonTV]

Nah that’s crazy lol Brent really snapped and i think it’s his best album under Brent Faiyaz. It’s nothing Joe has ever heard that’s why he didn’t like it probably. To call it “lazy” is OD cause u can literally hear how he stacked his vocals in not just Wasteland but EVERY SINGLE project

[@kingofdacourt]

Know Joe… Brent style is unique, creative, and fire🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@joshuadavidbeatz]

That Rolling Stone Go Hard. That Sample is 🔥 too

[@Haveyouever12]

How you like Drakes album but not Brent!??? Wild!

[@FreeMindScoop]

Man listen

[@Waters..]

I seriously don’t know what happened to Joe. Wow.

[@ashtongreen6270]

Nigga still tryna get the Drake interview 😂

[@shizzyoneal5936]

@@ashtongreen6270 He shitted on CLB tho

[@brandonrobinson555]

This is a great album

[@beatsbyshnzo]

I think the things that they don't like are intentional from his background vocals to the beat selection. It's def a different type of album but it's very experimental and I appreciated that

[@bbrock3272]

Aint no way Joe called Brent vocals "nasally" but they praise Chris Brown weak ass autotuned vocals 🤣

[@divinefonye6428]

I learned something from this , Joe certainly makes sense explaining why he does not favour this album… but watching how everyone walks on egg shells around him is more telling. It’s like nobody dares suggest that he might be lacking knowledge wise in anything. According to Joe, he is more than 100% more informed on everything than anyone …

[@zachwarren6695]

Man facts! Especially Parks.

[@AYOSLIDE]

Brent must have took a bird from Joe cuz I’m really not understanding Joe’s logic on this.

[@kdubsosolid]

Man that album is incredible.

[@DailyRants89]

I know it’s been a while, but the music conversations really suffer without Rory and Mal. They were much more in tune with the music world and provided good content. Ish normally just sits there when they begin talking music.

[@FCTHETRUTH]

Ice, Ish, and Parks... absolutely have to start listening to albums in FULL before PODS. Props to Joe for at least listening to Brent Album before forming an opinion. albums shouldn't even be discussed on the POD if everyone hasn't heard the album! thats like saying "yeah kendrick new album is mid....well i only heard two songs..so idk" *facepalm* Brent album doesn't sound lazy. It just sounds different... its gonna age well over time!

[@montlee1990]

As a person who was listening to Brent Faiyaz when everybody was like who is this?(way before he did a song wit Gucci&Goldlink) that nostalgic feeling I always get from him never changes.Joe opinion on him being toxic is BS haven’t mostly R&B made toxic music. It’s about his voice being different and takes me to a place . I don’t agree wit none of what Joe said

[@akashlachman8250]

I love at the end…everyone was like, skits skits skits skits are the shit

[@lalalatto7532]

Brent takes you places but yes he's a different vibe that was definitely needed !! I love me some Brent ❤

[@glowkid5]

honestly i think joe has heard so much great music in his life time, diff genres, artist, styles, content, etc that the bar and standard for the newer artist is so high they get harsh critiques instead of getting looked as another individual, another artist, another style whatever...ive had to understand that for my own musical taste lately...and with most the artist being inspired by other greats from previous generations it's hard to not almost compare. it's unfair. he went hard on brent and i understand bc i felt the exact same way..i just had to hear someone else say it. a lot of artist either sound like a bunch of other artist or are talented enough to stand out, AND just havent reached a level of greatness in their artistry but we as fans can hear the potential of them being great and it frustrates fans bc we expect them to deliver home runs for every project, every single, every feature etc bc we can literally hear the potential greatness of their talent but the formulas dont always hit so fans feel slighted...theyre artist first, entertainers second, business men/and women third. but all that gets handled in reverse order. business first, entertainment second, artistry third..gotta let these people be them, it's hard not to compare them to themselves and previous work and/or other artist. this why artist at some point be like man fuck this shit... even chris brown just said it and his album aint been out a full month, and thats chris mfn brown.

[@Dizzinator2114]

I liked the album, and I’ve listened to it twice so far, and I’ve revisited a few songs individually especially Rolling Stone. However I don’t think of the album as special though. I wasn’t blown away, but I do think it’s decent.

[@Marko-nh3dn]

Brent Faiyaz

[@robbieez4]

My first time hearing about him and listening to him, I like it! Wasteland is Straight with me.....

[@user-qd6im2hp2e]

Brent reminds me of Static Major melody wise and songwriting wise

[@LexxNova]

Brent album was fire and the skits were fire

[@king_chef3607]

This album isn't lazy it's abstract! I think is also a reason why it's called wasteland open your perspectives and realize this man is a real artist not some mainstream puppet cookie cutter artist!

[@THEMADVILLAIN.]

Joe was wilding lol this album is a repeat .. no skips

[@dawnduvraigne6498]

Wish this was a music pod where more than one person on Mic actually listens to the music.

[@LowercaseKev]

I love Brent but I agree with Joe. Songs lack quite a bit and are minimal which come off as lazy song creation..and beats are in the same vein for the most part (not all) but I don't see any progression in his sound at this point. He still uses that vocoder tool for him doing the voice change thing and for me it's played out also. If he goes number 1 I will be happy for him regardless of my feelings about Wasteland m

[@BrotherMalMusic]

I see y’all saying how lazy it is but what would you want him to do instead? If y’all want an album full of 15 versions of _Talk 2 You,_ there are other artists you can go to for that. The reasons y’all are saying the music is “lazy” are literally the backbone of his style. For me the pitch changes for his voice is his signature and gives the songs more versatility. Without the pitch changes in the songs, they would get boring quicker, and no other R&B artist does that, so you call it _played out_ but if anything, it’s refreshing. As far as the beats, the most complex beat was _Role Model_ but there was so much going on that it took away from his actual singing. I like the song but it’s way different from the rest of the album, and it seems like that’s what y’all wanted most of the album to sound like, but nah.

[@humanseason39]

@@BrotherMalMusic No, it's lazy because the songs were boring, predictably written, and he sung in the same 5-note range for almost the whole album. The skits were the best part.

[@BrotherMalMusic]

@@humanseason39 The thing about that opinion is if that’s the case, what R&B do you like better? Chris Brown, Givēon, Summer Walker? Because most of the mainstream R&B is so much less predictable right? Like genuinely, what mainstream R&B right now is giving you more than pop hits? Like where the actual style of the music matching the style of the person. Brent’s sound is different than most of anything that’s as popular as where he is on the charts. Only thing I can compare him to is The Weeknd’s older style before he blew up.

[@humanseason39]

@@BrotherMalMusic I don’t think any of those R&B artists you named have great music. They each have tracks that are boppable here & there, but overall, the replay value for most of their work, isn’t there. None of them have timeless bodies of work, IMO. Maybe Chris Brown, with his older stuff, but even then, I don’t listen to his music. You named the most generic artists to compare to Brent & it didn’t really help your argument, bc I don’t listen to, or like any of their music. Brent’s album had moments where it felt like something interesting was happening but then it fell flat… the album was missing something & a lot of the tracks were literally off key &/or boring. I think the best thing Brent has going for him, is that his persona comes across genuine & that his stardom Is home-grown (unlike a lot of the artists you named who go through the mainstream machine & can’t live up to the hype because it’s fake!). His hype isn’t artificial, and that’s refreshing, and it makes for a stronger fanbase bc they genuinely fuck w/ him. I admire his hard work & consistency, and the fact that he didn’t take the easier path (going mainstream and then being forced down our throats with generic music until the machine decided to shelve him) Doesn’t mean that his music style can’t improve though.. I think my critiques are valid… but I imagine it won’t change anything about his music, because he said in an interview himself that he doesn’t make music for anyone else but himself. I think artists today who have timeless bodies of work inspired by R&B, are Frank Ocean’s “Channel Orange” & SZA’s “CTRL” Not many others are hitting that mark, besides getting lucky with playable singles that the machine overly-pushes, here & there, or just having a few playable tracks on their albums. I prefer older r&b, from the 90s-2000s, as well as artists who’re crafting songs that have a bit more substance and complexity to the flow of the music, songwriting, storytelling, vocals, etc. The weekends early bodies of work are light years ahead of Brent’s rn. I’ll be back by the next album with the hope that Brent has grown beyond this point.

[@BrotherMalMusic]

@@humanseason39 I agree with most of what you said actually. Real valid shit. Only disagreement is that it was “missing something”. This is a full body of work, including featured artists (which he doesn’t do much of on his albums) and even skits that played out a theme. He actually over delivered, imo. Do you actually listen to a good amount of his music? Because I had _Fuck the World_ on a loop when it dropped too, but over time, the only songs I’d go back to are _Clouded_ & _Been Away._ Now that was an album id say something was missing from. _WASTELAND_ literally has so much more substance as far as an album. The intro alone is something you’re not gonna find much of in R&B. It’s him explaining the role of his vices, and what vices are to him, in interview form, over some music that sounds like it was a for a movie score. As far as you and other people saying “he can improve”, this is the improvement. That’s why I asked how much of his catalog you’re actually familiar with, because if you’ve listens to his other projects in full, this one should feel way more “finished”. I honestly feel like a lot of people are trying to over explain the _reasons_ they don’t like the music instead of just saying they don’t like it.

[@jfraz1992]

Brent fiyaz isn’t for the gym that’s a weird take by parks, his music is more of a vibe, I personally enjoyed the last album more, this album was cool but it was super laid back

[@Stonecoldalston]

How is that a weird take You listen to Brent in the gym?

[@walterlittle5589]

I listen to Brent in the gym and tbh I’m 40 I fuck him heavy …… it’s surprising that Joe feels that way

[@jfraz1992]

@@Stonecoldalston I clearly said it’s not for the gym can u read?

[@Stonecoldalston]

@@jfraz1992 I'm saying how is him saying it's not for the gym a weird take I took that as him saying he was hitting the gym and that was his excuse for not listening

[@jfraz1992]

@@Stonecoldalston meaning r&b isn’t for the gym, ppl usually listen to fast music when theyre working out, meaning high energy cuz they’re doing a lot of moving, Brent Fiyaz music isn’t for that

[@devonblair72]

Haven’t watch this pod in mad long. What’s with joe and the sunglasses every episode?

[@joszuff]

Album solid foh. Need the track in the background of the egomaniac skit tho 🙏🏽

[@DefiantMercenary]

Brent is in his own lane. I like the album it’s not his best work but it’s far from lazy. A lot of the songs did leak snippet wise though.

[@korydavis8137]

I kinda agree with Joe. The only problem I have with Wasteland is that I feel like I heard it already. Brent’s style is okay. His lyrics are dope. But…. the music that accompanies it sometimes falls flat if that’s not your thing. It’s a cool album but stylistically it just felt like there could be more and it’s not different from any other Brent project

[@d.michael372]

Facts. And I’ve heard him write better material than what he just presented…

[@thebarringtonTV]

This is where I currently stand with the album also. I like Brent, and I want to like him more, but off of a couple listens, this sounds like an impersonation of Bryson Tiller and The Weeknd’s most toxic traits all blended together disguised as “experimental” R&B. It’s not bad, but it sounds like it’s already been done. At least he found his fan base, because I’m not hearing what these other commenters are hearing, at least not yet.

[@jenisejackson5408]

@Kory. I tried to listen to two songs, and cut them both off. I don't like the lyrics either. However, if people love it fine. Not for me... Music is subjective.

[@juelzcorleone9585]

Im convinced joe just wanna talk and keep lookin at his co host to make sure they say “ yea i get what you mean” …. You know his co host got a whole group chat that joe aint in. And when they leave the set they be in that group chat goin in on him lol SUPER TRUE

[@kamoheloiannk617]

9:43 that's sooo true my mom has that with Sir... She can even like a song by him but say she just can't like it cause of the texture of his voice

[@Nick_a_ra_gua]

Brent the young 🐐 but the album had too many fillers… I immediately thought he held back some 💩 for his “deluxe” version! I just take what I like & add it to various playlist I’ve made & keep it pushing!

[@kingdomcitizenship5613]

@6:49 A person not liking a type of music personally, doesn't mean the music isn't good. It just means you don't like it. But I feel like these guys can never objectively breakdown music, it's always subjective. I haven't listened to the album yet, I had to come here first for my entertainment.

[@FOOTBALLVILLENATION]

Joe Buddens and friends 🐐🐐🐐 of this podcast shhh!

[@dariusmoss3865]

It's like he took leaked songs that was on youtube last year n added sum crazy interludes The last interlude is the best thing on the album lol...n i love Brent's music

[@joyartjoy2001]

I feel like there’s a lot of misunderstanding and opinions on his music from ppl that don’t actually listen to him or never liked his type of music in the first place, because he’s getting bigger now. His style is uniquely him and I feel like ppl are quick to talk not actually listen to what he’s trying to convey. Even that toxic shit he literally took that and ran with it and used it to promote but the skits clearly show that he doesn’t think being toxic is good but ppl are STILL running with that shit. Ppl are hellbent on misunderstanding at this point. But the ppl that love him are deep thinkers and will continue to, the ppl that jump on the bandwagon and wanna hear something like Chris Brown now will fall off bc Brent’s not creating music to appeal to the masses

[@aviannahd.8925]

THIS!

[@zandermickens4392]

Lol bringing up CB for no reason 🤡

[@joyartjoy2001]

@@zandermickens4392 what’s your point? I said nothing negative about either of them. Out of that big ass paragraph that’s what you got?😂😂

[@glowkid5]

honestly I've literally felt the exact same way about brent for a while now. he's always been dope but i didn't feel his artistry for some reason. song structure, subject matter, redundant sound and/or lyrics. idk what it was ..but this wasteland shit is fire af. like 9/10 for me. this ain't the project to shit on

[@Waters..]

I respect this. Do you think that the subject matter in these songs is the MAIN issue? I’m personally starting to get tired of hearing about and love, heartbreak and sex. But it also is the catch because that’s all R&B is so how can I expect to hear about anything else when listening to R&B but at the same time, even with knowing that, I can’t shake the want to hear about something else. I just feel like that topic is over done at this point. Or maybe it’s the way it’s being executed that’s getting redundant. Ugh the internal battle I’ve been having with myself about this 😂 but yeah what are your thoughts on that?

[@glowkid5]

@@Waters.. honestly it's more about life and human nature than anything.. it's not even a r&b thing, the subject matter doesnt really change from artist to artist or person to person bc we all go through the same shit, just in diff ways and at diff times so then when I, or we as fans look to music for the therapeutic escape and entertainment that it can be we forget that an artist is going to express themselves about their personal lives soo......???...ya know. so the subject matter gets tiring. honestly that's what joes saying.. do a better job lyrically, sonically and so on to disguise the subject matter bc theyre countless other artist, not just in r&b thats going through similar shit just bc life is life, so making it sound good AF to the point fans kinda forget the artist is even going through shit is very important, so yeah the execution. but brent showed up this album..maybe he has before and i wasnt ready..wasteland is cold tho. joe just wants the highest form of artistry..we all do. but who's to say when we are or arent getting that from an artist? and thats whats unfair. AND most artist dont really give af about competing..it's the business and entertainment that kinda 'makes' them..some people just wanna feed themselves and their fam...some wanna be legendary. this topic can go on for days honestly lol.. but those are my thoughts. that was a lot sorry lol

[@Waters..]

@@glowkid5 no biggie. I asked for your thoughts and was willing to read however long it ended up being. You executed that perfectly. I guess you’re right. The topics will probably never change but it’s the execution that’s long over due for a change. I do find myself being underwhelmed because of the sonics of todays music and I think it’s because everybody sounds like everybody. Not too many people stand out and it really sucks to see music go down that path because music is my 1st love and when I start to feel like I’d rather listen to podcast, more than music these days, that’s when shit starts to feel weird to me because I normally would pick music over any form of entertainment but it’s just getting to the point where listening to people talk is more interesting than the music that’s dropping lately. Idk how to explain it but it’s just a weirdddd feeling. Ugh I wish I could explain it.

[@glowkid5]

@@Waters.. i understand..music is definitely watered down right now.. you gotta be picky or open to a lot of diff types and balance it all out to enjoy it these days..i even get tired of my fav artist sometimes. the issue is people dont have to be an actual artist to know how to 'make' music. that, instant exposure from the internet and it literally being the easiest art form to get into, kinda made music overwhelming over the last few years (last decade tbh)... podcasting is in the early stages of going through the exact same thing lol. music isnt in a bad space but it's definitely over crowded, and redundant in subject matter. money will bring fame or vice versa when it comes to music and most dont really give af about the actual art or subject matter which is cool sometimes bc it allows music to be fun when people arent as serious about it all the time, but when it suffers, it shows..it's all the other opportunities that come w the success in the music industry thats the real catch fr so it's been hurting the quality. im ranting lol but try some diff genres and/or diff sounds instead of music w lyrics all the time..it helps lol

[@Waters..]

@@glowkid5 yeah that makes sense. And I even agree with the podcasting comment. Which is why it’s so weird because I’m lowkey tired of Podcast too. It’s doing downhill fast. Which is weird because it was slow to rise. But that’s another topic. But even tho I’m scrolling for minutes to find a good podcast, I still will prefer listening to one over music. That’s why it’s so weird cause I catch myself and I ask myself “man what happened? There’s music dropping constantly yet I’d rather listen to a podcast?” It’s just not like me but yet here I am. But yeah all that being said, todays state of music has forced me to expand my music taste, and it’s a slow process but I find some dope shit from time to time.

[@TJizzle82]

Honestly, I was listening to the album and I felt that something was wrong. It was my first time listening to anything of his. I have to agree with Joe on this one

[@williamocean4723]

You bugging Joe!!!! Brent shit is front to back period shit the skits is 🔥

[@kavid8120]

this why people need to appreciate TheWeeknd. We expect artists like Brent to put out projects that just get better and better but so many just fall short whereas Weeknd started off unknown and every project he put out just kept getting better and better and he has never become lazy. He always worked hard and made better and better music. He deserves all the praise

[@andypratt98]

The Weeknd has dropped a good project since starboy lol

[@P0k3D0nd3M4cG]

That new album was straight cheeks

[@MilleniumStorm4]

@@andypratt98 MDM and After Hours isn’t good? Y’all just be talking 💀

[@kavid8120]

@@MilleniumStorm4 it’s easy when the virgins expose themselves ain’t it ? these dudes are clowns.

[@MilleniumStorm4]

@@kavid8120 Problem is they don’t really listen. But they got all these opinions. No way he thinks both of those are trash. 😂

[@kmaq1449]

I fux with it...Joe entitled to his and I'm entitled to mine, that's it.

[@sharahmawathiyah]

Brent is a super star. Lol like a damn rockstar fr! He killed this album

[@lovelegacy400]

The Room is Acoustically Treated thats why it sounds Great in there.

[@eddieatoms5041]

Disclaimer: I fuck with both Chris & Brent just for the record but, Hold tf up. So Brent’s Wasteland is “lazy songwriting” but Chris making the same songs over & over for like 10 years isn’t lazy? What is it?? cause he can dance so well?..lol. Both can & have written great songs. No question. But I think Brent is much more interesting & thought provoking in his lyrics than Chris is. And y’all was going crazy over the Breezy album which does have a good amount of fire on it, but is pretty basic lyrically. I don’t even like half that album which y’all said had “no skips”

[@rzaluvsmusic777]

Thank You !!

[@rjm809]

Yea bro I would say Chris is more pop music than R&B anyways . & all he talks about is sex if he couldn’t dance he’d probably wouldn’t be a relevant

[@OO-hs6wb]

Exactly what came to my mind when Joe said skeleton beats, Chris always has those generic LA sounding mustard on the beat type tunes but Joe swears Chris Brown can’t do no wrong lol. I stopped taking Joes R&B takes seriously when he tried to put CB in the same realm as MJ🙅🏿‍♀️ Chris is talented but everything he said about Brent applies to him too because CB also sounds nasally to me.

[@eddieatoms5041]

@@rjm809 Word. Chris makes way more actual Pop genre music than MJ did if you pay attention. The King of Pop title is a shorthand of “The True King of Pop, R&B, Rock & Soul” which is what Elizabeth Taylor called him at whatever award show in the late 80’s. But his music is really an eclectic mix of those genres and others…but that’s a different discussion.

[@kingsean1500]

That's why 90's R&B will always reign supreme.

[@CaviCuervo1989]

This album is fucking incredible!!! That mad crazy

[@jaylahey6896]

Im a longtime fan and Brent Faiyaz first album was the best to me and sonder Days was fire 💯