LBC callers divided over latest farmers' protests

[@acrodave9287]

People have to recognise the difference between working farmers and landowners; all the noise is being made by extremely wealthy landowners and whatever working farmers that they've duped into following them. Likewise, the entire *country* has been duped by a corrupt and hostile non dom billionaire owned client media into throwing away their future because a tiny handful of rich people told them to. Pathetic.

[@coppershark1973]

YEP

[@leataylor9845]

It's the working farmers who are disrupting the public with their blockages and protests while asking for our support 😂

[@acrodave9287]

@leataylor9845 Working farmers don't have £40,000 worth of unused, sparkly clean, tax write off tractor to block streets with or the time in which to do it, you ignorant Daily Mail reading clown shoe. 😂 to you too.

[@stephenholmes1036]

Well said, Socialism the politics of envy

[@acrodave9287]

@@stephenholmes1036 Capitalism, the politics of greed.

[@m1nfy]

I think there is a deliberate misuse of words in this argument. There is a deliberate hiding of the word landowner and using farmer instead. There are people who have deliberately bought up 10 of thousands of acres and they are not farmers. 50% of arable farmland sold in 2024 was not bought by farmers... that is the real problem!

[@Dynasty1818]

2023, not 2024.

[@m1nfy]

@@Dynasty1818 You are right.. in my head its still there as "last year"

[@clacton17]

"Force to sell farm" they have 10 years to pay it. Go see your accountant and and do your planning.

[@chrisbeard1750]

Hardly the point.

[@Payteer]

@@chrisbeard1750 It is, actually.

[@CultureOfPeaceByEngaging]

We need a reform party for the nice guys

[@mhl8396]

You are clearly not aware of the figures. Basic maths would tell you that the lucky ones' profit may just cover the repayments over 10 years. The majority it would not. Hardly a 'budget for growth'

[@katiesummerfield414]

Then they'll get charged to hear, sell your farm 😮

[@polmcsuibhne7657]

it is the same as bedroom tax ...not a word from them against it ..............farmers against landowners should be set up...

[@mhl8396]

There was never a tax on bedrooms. Where did you read that???

[@jujutrini8412]

Jonathon lets the cat out of the bag. The whole point of them being all up in arms about the changes is that they don’t want the price of land to fall!

[@coppershark1973]

YEP

[@paullegend6798]

They don't want the farms they have held in their families for generation to be stolen from them. All our farms will be owned by mega corporations within a generation. Just fewer of us normal/working class people with an asset they can independently earn a living from. We will all own nothing and be wages slaves. In other news, all the loop holes for the super rich to pay next to no tax, still exist. Nothing being done about those. None of them pay something as pesky as inheritance tax when they pass on hundreds of millions or billions.

[@Flatcapfarmer]

the government won't either as they'll be valuing it😂

[@mhl8396]

Genuine farmers don't mind if the price of land falls. It won't as Labour have chosen to still allow super rich non- farmers to squirrel their wealth away with it

[@jujutrini8412]

@ That’s exactly what I think ie genuine farmers won’t mind if the price of land falls.

[@MrTanukiD]

I almost tooted in solidarity as i passed a local protest in my clapped out 15 year old Mazda until i saw all of the 160k Range Rovers parked up between the tractors.

[@mrmeldrew693]

160,000?! Do they fly?!

[@katiesummerfield414]

The car was probably owned by the machinery dealer ! , Either way owned by a finance company...Do you think farmers rock up to machinery dealers with a bag of cash😂

[@hbt739]

​@katiesummerfield414 the point is that many very wealthy individuals are buying out farms so they dont have to pay inherentence tax. These people are the reason for the change in taxation and why the media cares. This hole thing is not about struggling farmers after all we have smaller farms who dont have to pay tax. As such the farmers who have to pay tax and have to sell land will survive

[@katiesummerfield414]

@hbt739 yes but they still can.....because farming is a secondary business, they can claim the tax relief themselves....they can afford the payments , and if they manage it they can claim the million tax relief.....small family farms can't compete

[@hbt739]

@katiesummerfield414 i dont get ur point. Its not about secondary buisness or whatever. I honestly dont know enough about this to judge it (just like u most likely there is a reason people have to study that). What i do know is that small farms exist (and will profit because farms are less attractive if they arent cant be used to dige taxes), they wont have to pay the tax increase(we speak about) and that people like clarkson who bought it as a way to doge taxes, are protesting which automatically means he has to pay sth more. So the policy seems to work. In other words small farms dont have to pay anything and big farms will have to pay inherentence tax

[@brianferguson7840]

Tenant Farmers ie the ones who aren't multi millionaires don't own their farms so...... don't ever have to pay inheritance tax because they will never inherit A SINGLE PENNY. For the LAND OWNERS they can easily sell land. Land isn't valued so astronomically high "Because you can't sell it" that's simply ridiculous.

[@icklejack01]

Zero sympathy. This is NOT an unfair tax, it's just asking them to contribute where others already do, but at a lesser rate and over a longer period of time. And no, I am NOT a labour voter.

[@ibexdnb2879]

Keep telling yourself that mate....

[@mhl8396]

Is a tax that people cannot afford to pay fair??

[@chatham43]

@ickle Think you are..but I can understand your unwillingness to admit that.😊

[@AzDaz-q1g]

If you can’t afford why can the rest of us

[@call_in_sick]

@@mhl8396of course they can afford it. They simply do not want to pay it. I don’t like paying tax, I still have to.

[@beandinner1262]

If farmers don't like farming and paying their fair share of tax(still much less than any other profession does btw), sell up and find another job.

[@Commonsense-u1h]

I think the point is most farmers won't be affected, it's really a measure to stop tax cheats just declaring their land to be farmland.

[@stellasqueak]

and I wonder who they will sell up to? not other farmers think about that for a minute.

[@Human_Herbivore]

They are not happy despite paying half the IHT of doctors, nurses, police, firemen etc. The self importance and entitlement is off the charts.

[@bigcrazewolf]

I'm sure Jeremy Clarkson is only concerned with providing food for the UK and not money/sarcasm

[@andyf4292]

he was told he could dodge tax, now his dodge is gone. and he's as angry at it as he would be a Citroen

[@sabine1470]

This is not about Clarkson.

[@Falstaff1893]

I respect anyone who gets up halfway through the night to start work like I did on shifts but Multi millionaire landowners are still in bed when the cows are getting milked !

[@colinthompson3111]

Agree with Andrew. I suspect if the protesting farmers knocked on doors around the UK, they would get similar opinions.

[@Captainoftruth-t4t]

Doubt it you sausage we can’t eat without them

[@jujutrini8412]

@Captainoftruth-t4t The only people who are supporting them are GBNews viewers and Daily Fail readers (and their ilk) who believe all the nonsense they spew out.

[@PaulLishmund]

Would they lol

[@coppershark1973]

They were stood outside Waitrose, WAITRIOSE near Cromer at the weekend. All dressed in tweed. Massive brand new John Deere tractor parked right in the entrance to the car park, whinging to people about the tax. Talk about bad optics! They were well heeled and pleading poverty at WAITROSE. PAY YOUR TAX!

[@colinthompson3111]

@Captainoftruth-t4t Currently the UK produces 60% of the food eaten in the UK. No reason the UK can't have a program that pays small farms based on production and income required. New smaller farms can also be created. Greater production can be used to strengthen the pound and lower costs for consumers. The protesting farmers are not protesting for ordinary farmers who make up 99% of farmers.

[@alingard1]

I an example. Dyson owns 35000 acres. He could have sold this tax free. He’s worth around £20billion. As it is he only has to pay half the rate a normal person pays . AND can pay over 10 years. Interest free. Funny how the rich scream loudest when they’re asked to pay more tax…. The ONLY way out of this crisis is to get the rich to pay more tax. There is no other way. Labour are too scared though.

[@braindonor8753]

I'm not surprised....certain sections of the press appear to be blaming them for the last 14 years from the second they got in.

[@anthonyrichardson7240]

I've lived in a rural area all my life ...not met a poor farmer yet 🙄

[@chatham43]

@anthony But you've met a farmer who told you he was rich?😊

[@anthonyrichardson7240]

@chatham43 no they always plead poverty ...

[@sonofsomerset1695]

And I've never met an intelligent Labour voter.

[@djs356]

Uk agricultural debt stands at 18 billion average farm debt 350k! FACT!!!

[@austen-williampoll1463]

@@djs356 Can you support this claim? Please provide evidence.

[@blushadow1726]

All those poor Farmers that only make 25k a year, yet own properties worth millions, have millions of pounds worth of subsidised farm machinery, cheaper fuel for their machines and brand new Range rovers and Land Rovers to drive around. If they need another few hundred thousand they just put in PP to build a new subsidised barn or dairy unit etc. This tax doesn't even effect the vast majority of them and the ones it does could probably sell some of their land to pay it and not even know that it's gone. 99% of people in this country would give their left arm to know what it's like to own a house/houses and land valued in the millions, own brand new Range Rovers and farm machinery valued in the hundreds of thousand if not millions. I know genuine Farmers work incredibly hard, but why should the Rich like JC be able to buy up farms and land just to avoid paying taxes. Also, didn't lots of Farmers vote for Brexit, that alone knocked billions off of our GDP, if they Haden't of voted for that disastrous pile of self herm s**t, maybe this wouldn't of happened.

[@nomadicWanderer12]

Somehow you always manage to relate everything to Brexit. Get a grip, dry your eyes and get out of your echo chamber.

[@blushadow1726]

@nomadicWanderer12 That's because the vast majority of the UKs problems are a result of Brexit. Yes, the world suffered Covid and many countries have suffered because of the war in Ukraine, but on top of that the UK decided to put up trade barriers with our biggest trading partner and the people we have most in common with as far as values go etc. Name a time before Brexit when you heard rhetoric and had division like we do today in Europe. Go on name a time, you won't want to, because you know what it led to, and that's where we find ourselves again. You should heed the warnings of the past, hence Churchill being a founding father of the EU.

[@austen-williampoll1463]

@nomadicWanderer12 Has a lot to do with Brexit mate. The country is potless and needs to find the money lost somewhere. And where better than public subsidized, tax dodging millionaire brexit voting farmers?

[@MrDanlancelot]

let's assume that farmers are correct about being cash poor, then that should prompt farmers groups to come together to improve their industry and make it sustainable. a payout that happens once in a lifetime when the farm is passed on and inherited is not what is will be keeping you in poverty. you will be kept cash poor by the fact that the system by which your industry operates takes advantage of you and underpays you for your goods. improve that system, rather than spending your time and energy focusing on a single tax that will kick in once in a generation

[@coppershark1973]

They’re NOT cash poor. They are lying. Look at the way they dress. Look at their vehicles and the private schooling. Look at their TOFF attitude. They have cash and loads of it.

[@MrDanlancelot]

@@coppershark1973 yes, I know. that's the point of the hypothetical. even if you take them at their word and accept all their made up excuses, their actions still make no sense. it's so much better when you can meet these people on their own terms and still show that they are in the wrong

[@stellasqueak]

@@coppershark1973 your talking about the TOFF attitude down South. I live in Scotland and I work in Essex. people down South have a lot more money and like to play countryside but the lifestyle is funded by other businesses they own. I have friend who was trying to argue with me Dedham in Essex is countryside when its literally a village with couple fields around it. That's the problem Southerners haven't got a clue what real countryside is and wouldn't last a week living in the Yorkshire Dales or somewhere up North of Scotland. They consider a house surrounded by a field where they can dress up in hunter wellies and Barbour jackets as countryside. Real farmers yes may still buy expensive clothes but they have them for there intended proper use and for years. TOFF'S buy the kit for fashion. I see it with my own eyes people coming home from work in Essex and putting on the countryside costume to walk the dogs across a park.

[@russcattell955i]

@@coppershark1973 I was married into a farming family. Neither them or their farming relatives, neighbours & friends were poor. Some went about in scruffy clothes to perpetuate the image, while paying cash for vehicles & agricultural equipment and such. The deposit ( wedding present ) for our 1st house was a bag of cash to the solicitor.

[@paullegend6798]

The average farmer is not "the super rich". All that will happen is some normal people with what is a relatively low level of assets will be driven back into the working class, while all the farms are bought up by mega corporations. Same deal with double taxing pensions into inheritance tax (77% tax), freezing the inheritance tax thresholds so more people's houses fall into tax etc These are attacks on us all, because if you have any success at all, Labour are coming to tax you back to nowhere, whilst doing nothing to make the super rich contribute at all. That is the point about defending the farmers.

[@bwarey52]

I don't mean to break the narrative but the caller John the farmer..... wasn't a farmer........

[@essaweb]

If you can’t make more than £25K a year from a £5M investment, maybe you should look into a different line of work.

[@dannyquinn9128]

It wasn't a £5m investment, that's the point. Land prices have skyrocketed, but these farms have been in families for generations.

[@chatham43]

As you would in their position!

[@Frank-s4j8o]

Sell up and buy the s and p500 and retire

[@reiw5802]

​@dannyquinn9128 Why have they skyrocketed? Is it because of the likes of Clarkson? The same person instead of blaming, they use to front their protest.

[@anonitachi6966]

​Britain in a nutshell ​@@reiw5802

[@nevillekinsley5610]

If you are cash poor and asset poor you wouldn't have to pay inheritance tax.

[@kennethrollo7891]

That's right, well done, you are clever.

[@sonofsomerset1695]

Yeah, that's the left's goal, to make everyone poor.

[@alundavies1016]

I am not a farmer. When I die my property will be the bulk of what I leave to my kids. And that estate will be taxed. Why does a farm owner get to leave his estate without paying the same tax? I have paid income tax. I have paid a bank a big wedge of cash for a mortgage, why does a farmer’s estate get to dodge that? I’ll tell you why, because the law was written by wealthy landowners so they got to avoid inheritance tax, while we poor wage slaves don’t get that advantage. I don’t mind my estate being taxed, largely because I am against inherited wealth, and the only way to bust the widening gap between the 1% and the rest of us is taxation. It will be taxation, or at some point it will be Revolution.

[@melvinhodges4817]

How many people that are jumping on the poor old farmers bandwagon are boycotting Morrisons?

[@femazik]

funny how the last caller wanted even more accumulation of land in the hands of fewer people... interesting

[@stephenholmes1036]

Read Animal farm

[@deelaw.]

There’s a difference between being a farmer and a land owner. We are against the land owners using it to dodge taxes.

[@Human_Herbivore]

If they were protesting inheritance tax in general, they might get more people inboard. But they are not, it's all about self.

[@paullegend6798]

Well the correct tactic would not point out they are being taxed to oblivion, it would be to point out all the loopholes by which the people with hundreds of millions and billions pay zero inheritance tax. All Labour are doing is ensuring that no normal/working class people will own an asset they can earn a living off. All the farms will be owned by mega corporations within a generation and we will all be wages slaves. Your pensions is now subject to 77% double tax (this seems to have gone under the radar) and more and more people's houses will fall into inheritance tax as the thresholds frozen. Labour's policy is total communism for us lot (if you are ever successful you will be taxed to oblivion), while the super rich contribute next to nothing and own everything. Funny that, given the super rich fund elections via donations, lavish gifts, jobs after politics, the extra salaries for second/third/fourth jobs for MPs.

[@Human_Herbivore]

@paullegend6798 I had to pay a small amount of IHT when my parents died and am happy to have had to. There is no reason that I should get a house for free, just because it was my parents. That was under the tories though. The farmers have the same seven year choice as everyone, they then will pay at half the rate of everyone else and the reality is there is no IHT payable until £3 million for people who inherit their assets. There is no pension tax payable by anyone now that there wasn't under 14 tory years and they gave us all the biggest tax burden since the 2nd World War.

[@sonofsomerset1695]

@@Human_Herbivore Well if Labour can sell off British farmland, then lets sell off the NHS as well then, seeing as youre fine with selling off stuff.

[@SaffaInNewZealand]

Homeowners can’t sell of part of the backyard to pay the inheritance tax. So if the farmer has to sell the “whole” so be it, there’s no difference.

[@oldmcdonald6319]

@SaffaInNewZealand There's no inheritance tax in New Zealand - So why champion it in another country?

[@rodneybooth5873]

nobody should pay inheritance tax

[@sarries1]

Why?

[@jdizzle1779]

Agreed as there has already been tax paid on it

[@Grimshak81]

@@jdizzle1779it’s is NORMAL that tax is made of money that’s already taxed before. Grow up. Every office worker who uses his salary in a super market can tell you this.

[@jdizzle1779]

@@Grimshak81 just because something is the norm doesn't mean its right. Smarten up mate, inheritance tax much like stamp duty is just a cash grab. Our country shouldn't be in such a state that it requires such tactics. More money in public pockets drives the economy not tax grabs.

[@sarries1]

@@jdizzle1779 except it hasn't.A property that has soared in value that is then inherited has not been taxed to its true value.

[@50brian50]

We're were the farmers when the shipyards mines and steelworks closed

[@oldmcdonald6319]

Farming probably, where were you?

[@djs356]

Busy growing food for you 🤦

[@austen-williampoll1463]

@@djs356 *Not for the public, for yourself. After all, that's what you are paid to do, isn't it? I'm pretty certain that if it was more economical to grow flowers you would, so this idea you are doing out of altruism and for the public is for the birds.

[@braindonor8753]

​@djs356 how much food do you think is produced here? We rely on imports...farmers voted to make these more expensive in 2016... just before the Tories signed the agreements with Australia and NZ...selling every one of them out.

[@terryloftus8626]

Well said.

[@frankriley845]

The Sun and Clarkson says it all

[@chatham43]

Then why are you here Franky..?

[@SaffaInNewZealand]

Everyone is equal but some of us are more equal than others.

[@oldmcdonald6319]

The only way of being equal is to abolish it IT altogether

[@mrquasar2922]

He's not a farmer. If you provide food the nation you should absolutely be given aid and tax relief

[@frogandspanner]

The farmer is *not* forced to pay tax on the land. A different group of people (their kids) are paying tax on the income from their inheritence - the same as other inheritors. An anomaly is being removed.

[@TheVRSofa]

"The right wing media lie" says farmer The host "well thats not what Clarkson says" ffs...media just call them liers

[@TravelinChina]

It's almost as if The Times, the Telegraph, the Sun aren't telling the whole truth... Well, I for one am surprised!

[@paullegend6798]

You are thinking of farmers as some super rich class who are your enemy. Actually they work long hours for a living. Only difference is they hold an asset from which they can earn a living. We are already wage slaves. Well so will the farmers be...within a generation mega corps will own all the farms. Meanwhile those with hundreds of millions or billions pay no inheritance tax at all, as Labour are doing nothing about the loopholes they use. The farms tax, the tax on pensions (doubled taxed up to 77% now), freezing of IT thresholds so more and more people's homes will coming into IT. None of us is ever to own anything, have any success and you will be taxed back to nothing while the super rich own everything.

[@elchoppo1160]

The farmer who stated he has no issues with the new tax sounds like the Ferrari driver who has no issues when a gallon of petrol goes up 10p. I'm alright, Jack.....

[@oldmcdonald6319]

Spoiler, from his terminology it's almost certain he's not a farmer

[@sorinsabau1664]

Freeing up some land for investment funds?

[@Grimshak81]

They aren’t forced to sell their farm if you get 10 years to pay off. UK really has bigger issues.

[@sonofsomerset1695]

They cant make that in 10 years, espescially when theyve been forced to sell off a large chunk of their business, thats the point, stop falling for far left propaganda.

[@spearosable]

John = plant

[@GERAINTJW]

It’s like telling a taxi driver that he has to sell one of his tyres to pay the tax bill, but don’t worry you’ve got all year to pay it. It’s hardly the point - if you sell it you’re not earning

[@stormbroke]

Totally agree with this caller.

[@ukscooby123]

Well done caller #1. I'm cash poor, I've sold things to continue to live. (I'm not complaining) PLEASE stop calling them farmers, they're businesses/landowners. Normal average "farmers" are NOT affected! Why the heck can't asset rich do their bit? These businesses/landowners bought their land for an incredibly small % if the value now and haven't paid tax ... I'll tell you why, GREED. Rich people wanting to be richer. I'm disabled, I've worked for 40+ years and my benefit is being reduced. I've sold things to live! Stop complaining.😊

[@ChrisC-lc3gi]

Maybe working farmers should direct their anger towards the likes of Clarkson and Dyson. They, along with several other millionaires brought farms as a way of affording tax. All the Labour government has done is closed this loophole to make the rich pay their fair share of tax just like every other taxpayer.

[@andyf4292]

they wont do that. because the tory client media is very efficient at spinning stories to the credulous

[@djs356]

Had they set the limit a lot higher say 10 million they yes you catch the tax dodgers 3 million is way too low

[@chatham43]

Looks like Waitrose and Sainsbury's are supporting the Farmers!

[@jujutrini8412]

Not by giving them better deals and paying them more money for their produce though! That’s a step too far. 😂

[@chatham43]

True.😕

[@tarquinmerryweather4929]

In the last decade or more many rich people buy farmland to avoid tax. Dyson and Clarkson bought farmland to AVOID paying tax. Listen to accountant Richard Murphy who tells you facts. 50% of land in GB is owned by 1% of people. Guy Shrubsole has written 2 books about land in this land. Matthew is correct!

[@Emelia-o5b]

A certain Brexiteer farmer (not Clarkson) campaigned to leave then shortly after was opining on a television programme he lost the EU subsidies for his farms here. 🙈

[@jdizzle1779]

And most private companies or cash business don't pay correct tax either

[@lewisdelicata5334]

The last caller let the cat out of the bag. "My land price will fall". Exactly, because all the "farm" is to these people are inflated assets that they can borrow against to live lavishly.

[@johnevans6218]

Nobody can start farming profitably by buying the land to do so!!!

[@GeorgeOhYesPlease]

All these comments by people who have probably never gone hungry a day in their life and have likely never stepped foot on a farm. Farmers are some of if not the most hard working people in the country. Don't hate what you don't know.

[@gumbi79]

but they dont wanna pay taxes like we would .. just get away with yerself

[@Emelia-o5b]

Why do you assume that? Anyone who knows anything about farming knows firstly that proper true hard working ones haven't got time to take a day off for London!

[@stellasqueak]

@@gumbi79 They do pay taxes and probably a lot more than you. difference is a farmer is passing on a home land a business and a pension. if you have to pay IHT which I don't agree with at all just to be clear. But if you did ever have to pay it. it doesn't effect your mortgage or your payslip or your pension. That's the difference Im pretty sure if someone in your family died and the tax effected your who lifestyle you would soon be on board with farmers.

[@Gunnarhappystick]

@@gumbi79a farm land and assets may be worth £3m but only turnover £45k a year. If the younger family have to find £500k when their parents die, that farm is going to get sold

[@Khalkara]

Your comment reeks of someone who hasn't got an argument. Just empty posturing.

[@chrishenderson6452]

The farmers are correct They pay tax.

[@coppershark1973]

Now they pay more. Still not as much as they should though.

[@Khalkara]

@@coppershark1973 Agreed. All these "farmers" (in reality they're rich land owners greedy for more at the expense of others) can cry me a river. They're lucky they are only pay so little, if it were up to the likes of me their --farms-- lands would be confiscated from them.

[@sonofsomerset1695]

@@coppershark1973 Lets tax all the communist Labour voters at 100% seeing as they love tax so much.

[@hbt739]

It is fairly clear that there are smaller farms then the ones who need to pay inherentence tax. As such selling some land to pay it isnt a problem

[@mhl8396]

Hardly conducive to growth, forcing a business to become smaller

[@hbt739]

@mhl8396 its a death tax we speak about. Furthermore what we speak about is a worst case scenarios. If the policy is well made this wont happen because the people who have to pay it are rich. Nb knows if this is the case we will know in 5-10 years. So yeah it could very well be that the people who have to pay will just pay the tax out of pocket

[@mhl8396]

@ Most experts agree that this tax in it's current incarnation is very badly drawn up. Govt has also admitted they did no impact assessments, which could have been done to mitigate a lot of problems, some problems that quite frankly, a primary school child can see. Whenever this is discussed on TV, they have experts giving their opinion. In the interest of 'balance' they have to find someone to speak in favour of the government, and it tends to be the same few people in rotation, either a government minister tripping over their own words, or a left wing intellectual, with no real world understanding. Everyone is wrong and the chancellor is right

[@StuAnderson90]

First caller named "andrew" can he sweat? 😂

[@sonofsomerset1695]

Not this year.

[@dek123]

That man wasn’t a farmer, he hadn’t got a clue what he was talking about.

[@chatham43]

@dek You can still be a farmer and not have a clue. But you're not a farmer..so what's your excuse?

[@sonofsomerset1695]

@@chatham43 Like Labour can be the government but has zero clue about farming or business.

[@merlin7654]

I knew someone who inherited a million pound house with zero inheritence tax because he turned a tiny portion of his garden into a chicken 'farm' selling a few eggs and the estate was deemed to be a working farm. LOL

[@ianhaggart1438]

This isn't just about farms.... its inheritance tax.... for anyone who might have a business to pass on that they have worked hard for some can't stop working and shortly they are dipping even more into pension pots of every tax payer who is ready to retire.. 😔

[@altshift6072]

Arrest them this time. Just like the JSO a few years ago. They are blocking roads for emergency services. They have £3m total tax allowance for a family farm.

[@GeorgeOhYesPlease]

There weren't any emergency vehicles blocked and the police were well informed before hand. Stop your hot air

[@altshift6072]

@ JSO are getting arrested before they even start protesting. they were being shadowed waiting to be pounced on, yet these lot can inform the police and nothing happens. they are free to roll out their tractors in london with impunity. farmer privileges eh

[@Emelia-o5b]

​@GeorgeOhYesPlease Yes there was. There was video footage of it.

[@ravenmad9225]

I have an issue with any tax paid to Labour.What they don't give away to other countries they use to make our lives more difficult and miserable. Labour out.

[@daveball137]

When the Tories return to power they plan to remove the triple lock, ultimately aiming at the state pension. The Telegraph is already softening up its readers for this.

[@chatham43]

@dave Well most pensioners will have died of Hypothermia by then.!!

[@effluxi9587]

​@@chatham43hardly, pensioners are on average one of the wealthiest groups of our country, and the few that aren't literally are still getting the winter fuel payment. More pensioners die of tripping and falling each year than do of any cold-related cause.

[@eilly7722]

​​​@@effluxi9587 I am a pensioner and definitely not rich. I have no savings at all, and I'm on the basic pension, even though I've worked all my life. Yes, I get a little extra with pension credit, but that certainly does NOT make me wealthy by any means. Not all of us earned huge wages while working as you seem to believe. For your information, on average, many pensioners are like me, living from hand to mouth, and it's not nice believe me.

[@chatham43]

@efflux Nope they aren't..which you would know if you were affected..which obviously you aren't!

[@effluxi9587]

@chatham43 I've had lengthy conversations with people who are, as I hope you can tell. But please do keep claiming things in hyperbole with no evidence, it's quite amusing.

[@ellydavis2066]

This is organised by landowners for landowners. It's amazing how quickly regular people (in this case farmers) can be mobilised by the media when rich people are in danger of having to pay their way. How many times are they going to fall for this con?

[@trevormj]

If I arranged a protest against IHT for everyone, how many tractors would turn up?? They only protest because it is a Labour Government...

[@sonofsomerset1695]

A Labour government that clearly has no clue about anything.

[@trevormj]

@@sonofsomerset1695 - a well delivered and compelling viewpoint that I had not considered - thank you for your input - I may have to reconsider my political affiliations.

[@sonofsomerset1695]

@ compelling viewpoints are wasted on Labour voters, they just hate anyone with more money than them.

[@terryloftus3207]

Tenant farmers will NOT have to pay,THEY dont OWN that amount,but their told "YOU are comng to London" by the REAL landowners who ARE rich.

[@marionmclean3749]

There are lots of ways to mitigate IHT and it's surprising that so many farmers don't appear to have decent advisers. 🤔

[@Derek-d8z]

Whats nicer ,fields full of greenery and daffodils, or solar panels and batteries everwhere

[@brianjenkins2759]

Rich landowners not farmers

[@Mattarm2720]

To the final caller, the average UK farm operate at less than 120 acres and the majority of farms operate at less than that lol

[@oldmcdonald6319]

Only by the false figures Labour have used, it included allotments, paddocks for horses, and market gardens as farmland. 120 acres is a very small farm

[@Mattarm2720]

@oldmcdonald6319 actually those figures were from 2022, so under Tory government 🤣 try again. Never once seen labour quote specific figures on average farm sizes

[@oldmcdonald6319]

@Mattarm2720 @Mattarm2720 so childish - read again, I said 'used' - implementation of any policy without verification of data is dangerous. For the record, I can't stand either party. It's not an either or. Labour have repeatedly referenced those figures as factual, it's literally in every justification speech

[@Mattarm2720]

@oldmcdonald6319 🥱🥱🥱🥱

[@kenbaughan8390]

I always believed it was about rich land owners dodging tax,i used to fish on club waters and many of these fishing venues was accessed through farm property,and i used to think even then thats where the money is expensive landrovers several expensive cars sitting around the farm houses and some were huge houses with outlying other buildings,tractors hay bailers all sorts of very expensive and in some cases new farming machinery,i felt the smaller farms struggled,and i am sure there are some they rise early and in many cases work into the night to preserve crops that could be damaged by frost rain etc.but as i said the farms i had seen passing by there homes to access fishing spots certainly did not seem poor to me,plus the fishing clubs had to pay these farmers to access the river or ponds.i feel the rich landowners have hijacked the demos for there own end and genuine hard working farmers who are struggling are caught up in a rich mans web and have no voice,

[@stormbroke]

If I inherited a rental property from my parents (if they had one) I would pay tax on that inheritance. Why should a farmer not pay the way the rest of us do?

[@djs356]

Because farmers make less 1or2 % profit on assets you would make far more on rental property plus you could up the price of the rent to cover IHT farmers can't! How would your house function if you had to sell a percentage of it maybe sell the livingroom to pay off IHT!!

[@stormbroke]

@ don’t agree. I live in a farming community and none of them are poor

[@Flatcapfarmer]

yeah exactly , who do they think they are , working 120hr weeks, providing food, They should be like every one else and expect someone else to grow food to feed us , after all theyve got it so easy @stormbroke

[@bumberClart1000]

Waste of time and fuel

[@mike-A299]

Just sold my £65k classic car to a farmer in Lincolnshire. They can afford that somehow...

[@Flatcapfarmer]

Did you declare it in your tax return though😂

[@mike-A299]

@Flatcapfarmer you don't pay tax on selling a private used vehicle in the UK...

[@gc8074]

At last an honest farmer 👏👏👏

[@oldmcdonald6319]

Lol it's obvious he wasn't a farmer - 'I do crops n that' if he was probed on anything farming it would be plain to see he doesn't have a clue

[@oldmcdonald6319]

Lol it's obvious he wasn't a farmer - 'I do crops n that' if he was probed on anything farming it would be plain to see he doesn't have a clue

[@gc8074]

My renewed faith in some of the farming community was perhaps unmerited 😂😂

[@oldmcdonald6319]

@@gc8074 haha prehaps, any views on the bloke role playing?

[@Flatcapfarmer]

​@@oldmcdonald6319crops n things.....lol

[@stevenwilliamson6236]

There are people called estate planners who deal with these rich people issues.

[@chatham43]

@steven So can you recommend one?😊

[@Flatcapfarmer]

I'm.not entirely sure the Lincoln shire 'farmer ' who grows vegetables, crops and things ' is legit! , lots of acres of farms.....his language , and choice of words are not ringing true...🤔 ...

[@TheBubblewrapboy]

Load of bullshxt, millionaire land owners greedy.

[@oldmcdonald6319]

Don't believe the 'farmer' is a farmer. What will be will be, country seems determined to destroy any chance of recovery - enjoy the fruits of destroying your farming industry

[@washingmachineenvy]

Land owners are not farmers. Tennant farms pay nothing. Farmers that own there land get generous exemptions up to a max of 3 million in some circumstances. Are you a farmer with over 3 million in land?

[@nickryder9669]

Oh dear the guy on about the the sale price of Land up and down the country doesn’t understand a thing ! Your house price is also different up and down the country doesn’t! That’s why wales and Scotland have lots of second homes !

[@imperatorvespasian3125]

if you don't want to eat food then ok then

[@jdizzle1779]

"im poor so you should be too"... Dont worry, after this government we'll all be poor unless youre a doctor or train driver

[@tyronewilliams3743]

We dont have enough housing or land for housing while Rich landowners millionaires own 71% of the brittish landscape! Will your kids beable to own his/her own property one day?

[@fahmad7194]

They are all Tories. They whinged under Tories but were reluctant to come out while the Tories ruined the farming in the UK

[@sonofsomerset1695]

Ahhh the truth comes out what this is really about, punishing anyone they think is on the right, nasty jealous bitter Labour, and look at how they're crashing the economy and chasing all the talented people away, who do you think Labour will tax next when all the rich people have left, oh yeah you, dope.

[@oldmcdonald6319]

Look what happens when they vote Labour..why would they?

[@walterhartley1335]

Have you any seen a farmer on a bike?

[@sonofsomerset1695]

What does that prove? Multi millionaire Jermey Vine rides around on a bike.

[@Alex-md6bu]

Farms are like every other business in the country, some are just getting by some are doing well, by the don’t tax the farmer because they will go bust argument are we going to get rid of a lot of business taxes so other businesses don’t fold too? No otherwise there will be no tax revenue!!

[@AB-sem]

Wealthy landowners don't want to give up their power before they die.

[@djs356]

You mean they die with their assets? If so that was the best tax advice to follow until the day of the budget

[@alanjewell9550]

Everyone needs to pay a fair share of tax if this country is going to reduce the destructive inequality blighting it. We are talking about millionaires here - by definition. Wealth like that is a pipe dream for the vast majority of the population. The rest of us pay IT at twice the rate on far less. My question is why are land owners still being let of lightly? Over time, even that should be leveled up. If there are specific issues regarding farming & transfer of a business to family members, then targeted support would be far better than leaving a door wide open to all sorts of tax dodging chancers.

[@gdfggggg]

Levelling up is a silly idea. Left wing ideological nonsense. Millionaires pay a massive chunk of the tax. The top 1% pay 30% of income tax. Take away their right to make money, then you’re like the turkey voting for Christmas. We should be promoting people’s ability to make money, which ironically, will make your life better, ya big dollop 🙄

[@nicotoscani1707]

''biggest threat to farmers is climate change 😂 and brexit!! 😂😂😂 and supermarket bullying 😂😂😂😂'' - there's no help for someone that believes this nonsense

[@NicholasCaldwell-h4f]

This first caller is more ignorant than Reeves.....delusional and poorly informed.....yet more skewed information.

[@martinhawley2401]

Maybe the main stream media do a,real investigation into this matter who telling the truth about this matter and who,do they suggest make up the difference nurses doctors ordinary people and if,they that hard,up and over work how come they can afford to take the day off and drive a,tractor that does5,miles to the gallon just a observation

[@nicklewis1475]

The Lincolnshire "farmer" who said the budget doesn't affect him in anyway, or his employees, has he heard of national insurance? Can anyone call in to this show pretending to be whatever they want, or is it just fake farmers?? (He Didn't even know who he was talking to!)

[@kevinpalmer3340]

At the end of the day the rich will own all of the land and we peasants will live in the gutter. Its not complicated. Farms should be farms and not turned into solar energy or rich peoples hobbies when people haven't got enough to eat

[@chatham43]

@kevin Milliband 's vision for Britain?

[@joshwilkinson947]

I know alot of people who just want an acre or two to have a small orchard, a polytunnel, chickens and bees. Myself included. Recently a 2 acre plot near me went for £75k. Yet if you buy 50+ acres it's average or £10k per acre. Which for a price per acre is reasonable. If more 1-5acre fields became available, then maybe normal people could buy some land rather than wealthy tax avoiders.

[@djs356]

Under the IHT rules and blocks of land like you are looking for will skyrocket as buying this will enable IHT relief

[@alan102g]

Them type dont want to....and most likely dont pay any tax.

[@Qlair2632]

My goodness, talk about media bias..

[@markwarby7447]

So farmers have not paid IHT for 40 years, yet everyone else that meets the threshold has to pay it, People who get left properties by parents dont get 10 yrs to pay any IHT, Theres lots of people who are asset rich and cash poor, but we have to get on with it,the right wing media have latched onto Labours policy yet i never heard them in 2017 when the torys bought in the 2 child benefit cap,where was their outcry about starving children ?

[@Flatcapfarmer]

If you are lucky to inherit a house, you don't have to sell the housreand business to buy it off the government

[@markwarby7447]

@Flatcapfarmer nor do farmers if they are running their farms as a plc it automatically passes to next of kin, Or they use the 7 years rule and hand it over or they do proper estate planning like everyone else has to

[@Flatcapfarmer]

@markwarby7447 Tbf, there's way more to it than what it seems, the tUC have come out supporting it, now them boys are not messing, plus when have you heard of when they offer support, it's usually the otherwise round

[@Commonsense-u1h]

I think the thing is most farmers won't be affected. The threshold is still higher than It is for most people and if the farm is inherited as a primary residence, it's 1,300,000 before you have to pay tax. Nobody is after Scottish crofters, it's a way to reduce tax dodging.

[@stephenholmes1036]

Wrong it's where you live land prices vary

[@Commonsense-u1h]

@stephenholmes1036 again no tax on anything until 1,300,000 isn't unreasonable

[@stephenholmes1036]

Yes it us, inheritance tax is theft. Why is anyone entitled to take other people's money after death

[@sonofsomerset1695]

It's clearly not a way to reduce tax dodging or they could just put the tax on the land when it's sold, which would only punish people using it as an investment, it's to sell off British farmland to foreign business.

[@Commonsense-u1h]

@ If you have over 1,300,000 in assets and can´t make any money, then maybe you shouldn´t be in business.

[@christinebakewell3475]

It’s this ideal is the reason that millionaires are leaving in droves - to my mind all inheritance tax is just legal robbery - you no what Morrisons are the only supermarket that try to promote British produce above foreign where possible.

[@evanhughes7609]

Posh fella there doesn’t like it. Surprise, surprise.

[@gdfggggg]

It’s not morality, it’s left wing ideology. Tax everyone that’s got more than you. The ramifications are irrelevant to them.

[@chatham43]

Yep So much for the so called grown -ups. They still haven't!

[@brokenot]

If that’s the “left wing ideology”, the the “right wing ideology” deserves a mention as well. Everyone who “has more” automatically “deserves more” because naturally they “earned it”.

[@hughkeen9169]

I think the COVID jab has affected many of the listeners.

[@NickDartnall]

This guy will be bleating when yhe supermarket shelves are empty....what a tool😂

[@brianferguson7840]

Hardly anything on supermarket shelves is dependent on British farmers with the possible exception of wheat products. And that is easily remedied. Everything is available cheaper elsewhere. The majority of British buyers can't afford expensive British Middle class produce.

[@NickDartnall]

@brianferguson7840 Yes - let's be completely reliant on imports. The last thing we need is independent food security..but what if it affects your soy and quorn nonsense

[@shaunwarren8042]

So quoting that a real farmer is completely at odds with what is written in the Time, Telegraph and The Sun and being "completely perplexed by it" show what a poor excuse for a journalist you actually are.

[@julian987r4]

All these commentators wouldn’t last half a day with the amount of graft a farmer does.

[@petertownley7296]

1% of country have more wealth than 34 million uk people do the maths i am cash poor assett poor mature student well said farmer on call from grantham proper decent folk my sisters husband is also retired farmer

[@heyyouguys-sp6oo]

Assets used to grow and produce products that we consume. Essential products.