"How is it racist? That's what happened!" Tom argues with LBC caller over 10 German Bombers song

Tom Swarbrick and Graham in Paderborn have a wild back-and-forth about the 10 German Bombers song #LBC #euro2024 #germany #england #debate #Shorts

[@mranonymous5550]

He’s getting race and nationality confused

[@Niall001]

That distinction is relatively new. 100 years ago, the idea of the French, English, Irish, Serbs, and Italians all being part of the same race was considered laughable.

[@danielcrafter9349]

​@@Niall001- over 100 years ago is "new"?? Around 100 years ago we had a World War to put a stop to that kind of nonsense!

[@Lloyd.Browne]

@@Niall001no, it’s always been that way. Definition of race falls under 6 classifications. Of which white race encompasses the construct of white skin of all Europeans, Middle East and North Africa.

[@James-mb3je]

Tom does the same with Israel. The Germans did racialise Jews, so yes Jew is a race but Israeli is not.

[@xx133]

@@Niall001no, it’s not. As a matter of fact, the concept of race is relatively new, and doesn’t actually exist in reality. What does exist is culture and ethnicity. Even the concept of a nation-state is pretty new.

[@lordnoodle2146]

"the fact you think Germany is a race is part of the problem in the 1930's" that is the best LBC quote ever

[@johnbrereton5229]

Yes, and it typifies the obvious ignorance of their presenters.

[@QuadraticCoStanza]

I had a little chuckle at that myself and then he said it…

[@wozzle1533]

Actually the caller is correct - they’re Germanic and Germany belongs to them!

[@johnbrereton5229]

@@wozzle1533 They actually call it Deutschland and themselves Deutsch. However, it doesn't alter the valid point you are making.

[@eoin8156]

We are the master race so he is correct

[@_ob200]

The caller is a first class sausage 🤣

[@tantatheindian7068]

Haha... a true Salami indeed.

[@travislea-wv8dj]

Yhhh proper dodo bird this caller

[@Ringolevio]

Grade A Cumberland

[@Domn879]

Yeah…he’s the wurst.

[@toonlad4091]

Pretty much spot on😂

[@SiL-uj2zl]

People are so ignorant and it shows the low level of education in the UK over the last 30 years

[@hmu05366]

In England to be honest. Education in England is appalling , it’s much better elsewhere in the uk

[@jamesbong4928]

Only 30 years? 🤔

[@colinmarshall3842]

No it doesn't 😂😂😂. One man' speaks for everyone now 🤷

[@captain_context9991]

Try the American southern states... Sure, you can find the odd person in England too, but there is no comparison.

[@madyottoyotto3055]

Stf you weapon You really think this guy isn't one in ten thousand to not know this one

[@AOK342]

Just exposed his stupidity to the country.

[@biscuit4259]

Yes the idiocy of Tom

[@chinablues3415]

And his treasonous attitude against our country when we were fighting for our survival and that of others against the Nazis.

[@danielcrafter9349]

​@@biscuit4259- what?

[@Lloyd.Browne]

@@biscuit4259try and read a book with many words in it.

[@James-mb3je]

​@@danielcrafter9349he's correct. Tom racialises Israelis. Ironically they are working on making him correct but Tom would deny they are making a segregated ethno-state

[@colinjohnston3912]

"Hello, i just wanted everyone to know what an idiot i am" 😆

[@Paul_Wright]

What worries me is people like him can drive a car and have children!

[@mrbulkijackmi]

And you forgot to say can vote as well 😅

[@Ichikue]

More worrying he's going to vote

[@paul1warr]

You want to control reproduction based upon perceived intelligence? Funnily enough that was part of the problem in the 1930s

[@fabolvaskarika7940]

My worry is the same regarding you…

[@paul1warr]

@@fabolvaskarika7940 my worry is the same about you

[@carlkamuti]

That caller got slammed at the end! 🤣🤣

[@sunnyatkar1982]

Xenophobia, not racism.

[@coleby77]

10 German bombers song is meant to be antagonistic it’s not singing a celebratory song. Tom is wide of the mark…it’s not racism in that sense it’s certainly nationalistic which can sail pretty close to racism by far right groups but it is deliberately offensive it’s not “banter”

[@sherbertufo5247]

It is banter, although it's pretty outdated, football fans need some new material.

[@hickster222]

It's just funny though.

[@sherbertufo5247]

@@hickster222 Humor is subjective.

[@ryantate6447]

It’s seriously ain’t this deep

[@mr_slidey]

@coleby77 Womp womp

[@joemcgowan4704]

Would have been kinder to explain the difference of race and nationality rather than let the guy continue to make his point on a misconception. Singing songs about the war is embarresing when the world is in such a horrible place with all the hate that us going on

[@jamesbong4928]

I disagree, people's ignorance should be exposed, there's far more chance for the penny to drop for the listeners, although I won't hold my breath!!!

[@Stephen-lx9nm]

​@@jamesbong4928Notice when its a lefty ,they should help him .They dont realise the hate in the world is caused by them

[@RshadowA]

​@@Stephen-lx9nm And how is that, Mate? How do the "Lefties" cause all the hate in the world, even the stuff from Right-wing White Supremacists? Please, explain what you mean there? I'm going to love this.

[@RshadowA]

Hmm, notice the difference in likes between what the "Lefty" wrote and the comments that disagree?

[@adambinnie1332]

Yes with all the hate coming from tge Lefties.

[@BlitzPolitik]

As a german. I think there is no scence after 80 years to sing such a song. Sounds you are still angry to our grand grandfathers. But its really disrespectfull to sing such a song in a town like "Stuttgart" . The city center was the most affected, with a level of destruction of 68 percent of the entire building structure. And the old town is nearly 100% away! Sing something against Adi or the Nazis, but not something like that.

[@memyself7413]

Grow up!

[@spaceo8568]

And people like THIS are allowed to vote. Lol

[@aleph8888]

Who gets to choose?

[@circularisnotthis]

It’s an expression of nationalistic rage. That’s why it’s problematic. It’s also glorifying well…death and destruction. I can’t believe we’re having this discussion .

[@nate9198]

Germans are both an Ethnicity and a nationality.

[@JeanStuart-uj2wj]

Get real. This song was fully intended to cause offence and distress. At least be honest.

[@jontibloom6125]

Another example of the failure of English State education

[@samichaou]

Ignorance is dangerous! This world needs better and no hate. 1- Many British have German dna in their blood. The germanic tribes Angles (north Germany) and Saxons (South of Denmark). 2- English language is based on those tribes original language. 3- the British royal family is partly German.

[@rastaoiiii]

They even teach that in usa, idk where the caller got his history education.

[@chesterdonnelly1212]

You're confusing German and Germanic. It's a common mistake.

[@anthonybariek997]

3 is a massive mis-representation of the facts and kind of shows your lack of knowledge on the subject? It’s not a case that the English royal family are originally German, it’s that the German royal family (or the Houses of Hanover and Saxe-Coburg Gotha) was originally English, hence why they were in line for the British throne. I mean do you thing they just picked a random family from Europe to give the crown to? Of course not, they were all Tudor and Stewart decedents So yes, ignorance is dangerous

[@chesterdonnelly1212]

Ignorance is dangerous. Also you only got number 2 correct.

[@samichaou]

@@anthonybariek997 The argument was not to prove their origin, the point was to stop the hate between people who are related with blood, ruling families, culture, language origins, history,... We have enough hate in this world man.

[@deadpool3982]

People really need to learn the difference between racism and xenophobia

[@jamesbong4928]

People just need to go to school

[@adambinnie1332]

Refugees are welcomed here but not in my neighbourhood 😂

[@lucasmoreno5330]

Are Jews a race? If you say no, apparently that’s anti semitone.

[@donaldv13]

It helps when the media doesn't constantly conflate the 2 as well as adding religious bigotry in to the mix. Also considering there's no such thing as racism due to the fact there's no different races it's all xenophobia.

[@brianoriordan7281]

The mind boggles, xenophobia is fear.of foreigners racism is expression of dislike of foreigners. They are easily conflated.

[@jonnyandali]

Oh dear. Imagine going on the radio and saying that. 😅

[@paul1warr]

There is a difference between petty minded nationalism and racism.

[@donaldv13]

Tell that to the media whenever someone criticises any nation that's not in Europe.

[@ppo2424]

I bet you hate patriotism don't you

[@paul1warr]

@@ppo2424 I suspect you mean nationalism. And yes. Despise it. Whether it's Sovietism, fascism, or exceptionalism, I find it all both cruel and moronic

[@ppo2424]

@@paul1warr I mean patriotism.

[@Isthis_england]

Haha he absolutely dug a hole and fell in it

[@carmennadel65]

OMG! So sad to hear so much ignorance I feel like crying what's going on aren't we suppose to be THE HUMAN RACE regardless of color or culture.

[@martinwest7250]

Racism fixed well done!

[@GateHouse-jx8fq]

A lot of people still don't get humanity has many cultures+ strongest.... This is down to education? A lot school's still don't teach human biology+ tell people about genetics 🧬...

[@perrymason866]

@@GateHouse-jx8fqmost cultures contain lots of different cultures within them. This is rarely taught. Which schools don’t teach basics about genetics (I.e chromosomes, dominant/recessive etc)?

[@In_Paradiso58]

True, but you know how dividers like to divide...

[@craigk621]

Regardless of what ???

[@criticalthinker8007]

Race is an arbitrary construct, purely subjective. Race is defined on identify different characteristics. You could legitimately say I will define race based on where they live or their color of their eyes whether they prefer football or cricket. Saying somebody belongs to a particular race is not the problem. The problem occurs when race is used to give one race over another an advantage or say one race is better than another. It is purely a social construct we all belong to the same species., we are all human. The only time race as any real value is in the field of medicine where particular illness are prominent with particular characteristics. But it is wholly unhelpful and wrong when you use race to claim superiority

[@jimbrody3009]

"Because that's what happened". Said the same guy that accuses others of derogatory names after speaking facts.

[@Jane-rc2rk]

But the world war happened right? And Germany lost right? Germans aren’t a different race … just a different nationality. People really need to educate themselves!

[@Mrcarlito666]

Put on the spot, that presenter is clueless and brainwashed

[@noneofyourbizness]

Que?

[@GafftheHorse]

It's unimportant, the Germans have indicated they find that song offensive, and that is enough. Any fan who sings it is choosing to be offensive as guests in Germany.

[@emiliajojo5703]

The german football Fans don't care at all.I just think english banter should be a little bit more creative,it just feels lazy by now.

[@ppo2424]

Oh everyone is offended these days

[@Ben-gd4db]

Can you specify who you're referring to when you say "the Germans find it offensive"? Many German football fans have been singing along to it, if there are a few Germans who are offended, who cares? People are offended by everything these days, but just because its offensive for some doesn't mean people should be made to stop

[@OM617a]

I am sure the Germans are not that offended, they have a much better football team. If the only victory to sing about is bombing women and children 80 years ago then that speaks volumes.

[@lostintranslation1957]

He must be a Labour supporter.

[@87CVH]

Why ? He could be a supporter of any party ... but 100% a reform voter

[@aleph8888]

Same people who think that the Jews are a race. 🤪

[@iminni3459]

Could you include the videos you reference in the video in the future? Would be nice for some context

[@fil9982]

Hes not technically wrong..... There is no clear definition of race, many of the native Germans have roots in common ancestry and similar genetics, perhaps the word race is clumsy here but to deny that the native people of Germany dont have a shared lineage is also dumb.

[@user-zc1mt4yf3s]

How can these people hate us at the expense of everyone else (fool)

[@PapiQaz]

The caller might have his terminology mixed up, but he's right in what he's trying to say, bless him. We need more like him and less like Tom, quite frankly

[@TimSurway]

His whole point was based upon a fundamental ignorance/misunderstanding of racism. We do not need more like him.

[@chindit6784]

​@@TimSurwayno racism isn't some distinctively seperate thing from xenophobia. There effectively the same in practice besides from what the target audience is. The main point the guy is trying to make is that singing about ww2 with the intention of offending the host nation is wrong.

[@TimSurway]

@@chindit6784 yeah, fair enough

[@huepix]

Nope. It's a nationality

[@Yoghurtslinger]

Anglo saxon is our tribe.

[@87CVH]

Which is German

[@Yoghurtslinger]

@87CVH very proud of our anglo saxon tribe.

[@ppo2424]

You've got celt in your blood, that's your tribe.

[@ScotMcFadyen-kp3jd]

Yep your German

[@Yoghurtslinger]

@@ScotMcFadyen-kp3jd germania laid the foundations of moderne europe

[@gregm3702]

This guy also gets his knickers in a twist when he goes to Waitrose and sees grown in Britain on the produce.

[@Labr1nth]

The stupidity levels 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ Absolutely embarrassed to call that caller a fellow countryman.

[@jakehowie442]

A race is not really a nationality. Jews were a race and they have multiple nationalities

[@spuderdogegamer3886]

A race IS NOT a nationality end of story

[@JohnGodwin]

Reminder: people like this can vote.

[@gothicpagan.666]

Guaranteed he didn't pass the 11+

[@anthonysmith8800]

Why are ignorant people so confident and over bearing in these conversations?

[@leonhenry4861]

It’s how they tell themselves they are correct. It’s a very hard skill to learn but this guy has it.

[@craigk621]

Narcissist.

[@jesseclarke9077]

I hope this bloke got a dictionary out after getting off the phone lol

[@TheKingzapper]

The word we use for prejudice against people of a particular nationality is 'racism'. There isn't a different word for it.

[@jacobgorman3145]

I think we have a case for a brain transplant

[@JamesT65]

Being spiteful isnt clever

[@NobodySpecsh]

This is a strawman, guaranteed.

[@haveanopinion]

Its a pity they aren't as concerned about the 1000s of small boats invading England

[@barry1369]

This was comedy gold 😂😂😂😂

[@miraclein7679]

What annoys me more is that the Germans stated that they would stop any offensive chants and there was no mention of any particular chants. LBC decided to choose 10 bombers chant, is it as offensive as Munich Air disaster chant? Hillsborough? Anyway LBC baiting is just troll level now!

[@happyapple4269]

races = White, black , asian , mongol, inuits , i think. corrrect me if im wrong.

[@JustAGameShow]

Different sociological constructs only, We're all the Human race.. Scientifically speaking.

[@perrymason866]

It changes over time because it’s just a made up concept. Italians weren’t considered “white” at one point. In fact, neither were the Irish - despite being paler than most, by and large!

[@haroldkane9714]

The caller obviously didn't have forefathers who fought in the world wars....

[@alvindimes649]

The caller should look up the difference between Race and Nationality.

[@nicktaylor5819]

Guys confusing Racism with Xenophobia were both white babies from the mountains of Caucasus

[@simongreen1607]

The really sad thing is, that he would of spent time before the call thinking he was right and then working out what he wanted to say and how best to say it.

[@ladyharriet4136]

Oh dear, oh dear 😂😂😂😂 standard of education in the UK. 👎 Where did he go to school? Or did he even go there?

[@jamesmcdougall7748]

I always thought the Germans at the 1940’s were predominantly Caucasian

[@MC-bo6kw]

Make Britain great again - vote Reform UK

[@memyself7413]

I support Nigel Farage. This caller is one of the reasons that the UK is in a mess. “R E F O R M U K.”

[@davetdowell]

Ummm we English are the same race as the Germans, we literally descend from the Germanic Tribes of Northern Europe.

[@MrCayden21]

Ever heard the saying . . . "There's one born every minute" 🙄

[@gedgage1775]

Bloke on the phone is clueless

[@Stephen-lx9nm]

Bbc employee 😂

[@PaulMcCaffreyfmac]

Tom is smugger than James O'Brien. Quite a feat.

[@caitsiph1]

Being English is my nationality, not my race. We are all one singular race. It's called THE HUMAN RACE. Skin colour doesn't define race it defines a person's ethnicity.

[@jroobz]

How to look foolish 101

[@ScotMcFadyen-kp3jd]

It's xenophobic.... The English education system is really bad 🙈

[@JB-pl8ce]

That caller will vote Green Party

[@drcommonsense1]

I'm voting Greens, but I don't think it's decent to use someone's views and then assume their political allegiance. The caller also made this mistake when he assumed Tom was a Farage supporter. Things like this are exactly what politicians feed off.

[@jodytooke3938]

This guy eats the buttons off a tv remote 🤦‍♂️

[@liamhainsworth3105]

He’s guna cry In a minute 😂😂😂

[@robinpillay8462]

English and German are nationalities not race.

[@nerdimmunity7672]

German is both an ethnicity and a nationality.

[@jasonclark8001]

LBC Caller blowing the left woke narrative apart 😂😂😂😂😂🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌 more please this is brilliant

[@Lynnefromlyn]

Tell me do, what is the Left Woke Narrative? you seem to have all the answers….not.

[@obajimidamilolaositelu2983]

Probably voted Brexit as well 😂

[@greeneray]

His argument should have been about ethnicity not race, racism also covers ethnicity , not just race.

[@leonhenry4861]

You mean nationality. Because you can have black Germans, Turkish German which are all different ethnicity . Whereas Brits a nation and so are the Germans. The caller isn’t wrong he just confused nationality with race. White Brits and white Germans would obviously fall under the same race which is caucasian.

[@captain_context9991]

But the Jewish claim "racism" whenever they get criticised for things. Its a religion, a culture. Not a race at all.

[@user-qz3wv7tq6v]

And he was idiotic enough to demonstrate his IQ on national radio? Oh, dear.

[@saywhatithink5006]

There was 10 terrorist protesters in a march

[@fakename45]

If the Germans and the English aren't in some way races, then how can sites like 23andme tell me my genetics originated in England, Scotland & Ireland, while my wife's are from Poland and Germany?

[@klevin93]

Tbf his understanding of "race" makes as mich sense as what it actually is

[@Stephen-lx9nm]

Why because you agree with him ? A lot of know it all .

[@andybrice2711]

@@Stephen-lx9nmNo. Because taking all the complexity of human lineage and trying to divide it into a few distinct categories is fairly arbitrary and a major oversimplification.

[@DaibhidhBhoAlba]

The amount of clowns in this comments section who don't understand that the UK's Equality Act 2010 quite literally includes 'nationality' in the definition of race, ergo prejudice against nationality is indeed 'racism' under UK law, is insane. Sure, the caller doesn't understand what the ordinary definition of 'race' is, but when it comes ti UK Equality law, he's actually pretty much correct. That aside, anyone comparing England - a regional identity within the UK, with Germany - and actual soveign country and real nationality - is hilarious.

[@garyarthur5662]

Get a grip melts, why are some people so easily offended? My German friend laughed her head off when she heard it, must be a generation thing, she’s 45!

[@JohnnyCrash-ug8zt]

English are Germanic therefore Germans and English belong to the same race according to the caller’s definition of race..

[@user-uz9vn4ei4x]

Sounds like an American with an Enhlish accent.

[@asperganoid]

Incredibly ignorant and unbelievably confident

[@andigorani]

If dna tests can show that someone has a higher concentration of being from a specific country that would make someone's nationality a race.

[@craigk621]

German isn't a race Germany is not a race. If he is the type of person that doesn't support Nigel, then sign me up.

[@thepeckhampoet1909]

Hey what doe's it matter, it's all pink on the inside Haha

[@amunbains2003]

The host should’ve informed the fella instead of laughing at him. Or hopefully he did.

[@Firefly2511]

All these 'tolerant' and 'inclusive' people having a meltdown because Farage has a different opinion to them 😂

[@panathasg13]

Actually German is a race. Germanic race.

[@jackramsden9346]

This reminds me of a video of an American man wearing a sombrero & asked people if it was offensive. Oddly, the Mexican people found it funny & didn’t care but the Americans had an issue with it. Unless you’re German, you can’t be offended by it.

[@carlplz00001]

Omg, so much ignorance 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@Fulkumnuts]

Why bring NIGEL FARAGE NAME UP THIS JUST PROVES THIS GUY HATES THE MAN 😢

[@user-pf2hs1eg1o]

It’s amazing how people are saying there’s no bigotry in the football chants! I imagine they will be equally as gracious if foreign fans come to this country and sing something we don’t like about the history of the country. As much as he’s condoning hooliganism, he shouldn’t forget that foreigners could come here and do the same and insist there was nothing bigoted or malicious about their chants!

[@Back2Brick-Ben]

Which Labour Candidate is this?

[@8Clips]

It's mad how easily some people can be brainwashed, genuinely quite concerning really

[@ianbrodie8658]

How would you like it if the Germans started singing about the blitz?

[@jaypeaaerialphotography5712]

What worries me is people like this have the vote!!

[@stevenroberts202]

That's why people need educating

[@youreright3664]

Did this guy give his name ? What a clown.

[@pjay3028]

Cambridge Dictionary defines Race as: A group of people who share the same language, history, characteristics, etc.: Eg The British are an island race