Brexit: EU red tape will cost small business owners thousands | LBC

[@MaximilienRobespierre1]

Isn't Brexit great...

[@rambledogs2012]

Totally wonderful. How we didn't do it before is anyones guess. I mean look at all the benefits......look.......over there.......oh!!!

[@barryevans791]

Says the biggest moaner on the internet. It figures you watch James O'Brien.

[@jamjam2833]

Not affected you so stop bleating

[@markabrahams2191]

It would fine if the EU was not infected by a wannabe communist dictatorship that wants everything under their full anti human control , that is the system you seem to prefer though .

[@PaulStargasm]

Hi Max!

[@maartenaalsmeer]

The 'red tape' is there for all non-EU/ EEA/ EFTA countries. Which the UK voluntarily became through exiting the EU, remember?

[@DrVictorVasconcelos]

Who could have foreseen that? Except for everyone who tried to?

[@Kaizen917]

A bit hard to grasp when people grow with the notion that the UK is the centre of the world. Now everything going out of the EU since around 2016ish has been seen as a spite-the-uk policy.

[@superrrnova1986]

@@Kaizen917 EU are the absolute pits. And their biggest nations are failing both culturally and financially. Thank goodness we left that rotten union

[@malahammer]

@@Kaizen917 karma....eh?

[@courgette3401]

Yes , friends of mine that voted leave don’t seem to understand that despite them knowingly voting to leave the EU we are no longer European!!!x. I told a group of friends that my son can only tour for a few weeks and that he needs to fill in visas and they simply font believe me. Did they not realise that voting to leave would mean that we were going to leave!!!!!!

[@Ted_Livingston]

As someone who worked for a UK manufacturer, Brexit destroyed our sales to the EU. It added a huge amount of cost, meaning that our competitors within the EU could offer better pricing and we became uncompetitive very rapidly. I left the business once it was clear our revenue would be taking such a massive hit - it is so tough on the businesses that voted to remain, but have had their hands forced into lower revenues and demand.

[@dotz7616]

As someone who worked logistics for an EU based reseller. We just quit selling to the UK all together, far too much hassle for a market in decline. Most surprising of all is I've never even met a Brexiteer. All Brits I spoke before and after the referendum where very pro-EU.

[@markabrahams2191]

As someone who worked for a manufacturer you should know how the EU were enticing manufacturing companies to mainland Europe with , at the time , new factories , lower wage costs and tax incentives . That was before "brexit" was even really talked about . I worked in the automotive component manufacturing sector and had first hand experience of it .

[@joshuasmith4462]

​@@dotz7616 and that's why Brexit happened

[@superrrnova1986]

The policies the Labour party are currently running with are way more damaging to businesses than Brexit ever was. This is the worst government ever and you're still talking about Brexit 🤣

[@HoeBlogs]

@@dotz7616 Name a Country in Europe doing better lol?

[@sabinenadal8470]

Stop saying "EU red tape". It's not EU red tape it's brexit red tape.

[@AKcoxy]

It's not brexit red tape, it's EU red tape... just another reason to leave. Like saying trumps tariffs are not trumps tariffs

[@californiadreamin8423]

Well Peppa Pig did say F business.

[@simonmarshall3869]

@@AKcoxy But the EU doesnt have red tape inside, thats the whole point. So a reason to stay.

[@GregOrCreg]

@@simonmarshall3869 It depends what you mean by red tape. The regulation is from the EU, and that might constitute 'red tape' (fwiw, I happen to agree with most of these rules, but that's besides the point; the point is, they exist for better or worse), but being out of the EU means we're now going to be subjected to *more* bureaucracy should we want to trade within its borders, which also constitutes 'red tape' so to speak.

[@jimwest7107]

UK would choose not to have it though? So it's EU red tape.

[@nothereandthereanywhere]

So great to have less red tape and so many opportunities! Oh, sorry.. Wrong country!

[@dianamincher6479]

We're limping slowly to full collapse?

[@davidcoffin7254]

Its not EU redtape, its Brexit red tape. Call it what it is

[@keoun9759]

Came here to write the same thing. That or 3rd country red tape Calling it EU red tape plays into the hands of those thinking the EU singles us out.

[@DaveSeville-sf1ku]

I don't understand why Britain didn't sign a deal with the EU like EEA areas, Switzerland etc. It's lunacy. The Americans/Canadiand didn't help the UK after Brexit, I think a lot of people realise that. If you have a Australia/New Zealand relationship for dairy livestock etc and had a soft Brexit Swiss/Norway/Iceland deal then nobody would be complaining Theresa May and Boris /Nigel are too blame for either rushing deals or swanning off when the tough gets going.

[@geertstroy]

No understanding of all your Swiss etc " deals" NONE ...bye fr NL

[@jimwest7107]

For me it's EU driven.

[@looneytoons171]

Yes, call it Brexit red tape until Europeans cannot purchase US goods either. Then the oxygen wasting EU bureaucrats wonder why their largest economy is failing and bringing the bloc down with it.

[@jizerai]

"They need us more than we need them" still hasn't aged well

[@joeduffy3309]

Cake, unicorns and sunlit uplands, remember them?

[@superrrnova1986]

So which sunlit uplands in the EU would you like us to be emulating right now exactly? Do you even have a clue what you're talking about? The EU is done.. Its a sinking ship. Even the biggest nations are absolutely done, both financially and culturally.

[@joeduffy3309]

@@superrrnova1986 waaa waaa waaa, the EU is finished, we've been listening to you brexiters repeat that old line ad nauseum for years now.

[@superrrnova1986]

@@joeduffy3309 France is on its knees right now

[@jayjoe3716]

@@superrrnova1986 Pls... don'tr be brit watching and eating up american media... have some self-respect (and I'm not even british!)

[@CARSONSAMANTHAJAYNEWILLIAMS]

I am based in the EU. When Brexit was finalised it wiped out my sales to the UK. I used to ship around 100 expensive items a month to the UK, that has fallen to a mere handful and have lost unknown 10s of £1,000s over the past few years. But it is worth mentioning that most EU sellers stopped shipping to the UK because 90% of UK buyers would claim, when their parcel had arrived in the UK, and they were asked to pay duties prior to delivery, that they had no idea they were meant to pay VAT, refusing to pay, these parcels were then returned to the EU and even the USA, costing 1000s of overseas sellers a small fortune in returned goods where they had already paid the outgoings shipping fees, and THEY, the EU sellers, were then expected to pay incoming customs and VAT. Because the average brit played dumb and didn't give a fig of the repercussions to the EU based seller.

[@jonb3311]

If you send a product to the UK, you would have already been paid for it. If it's returned, you get to keep the item and the money you've sold it for.

[@CARSONSAMANTHAJAYNEWILLIAMS]

VAT is only charged on items under £135, and the shipping cost is viewed by eBay as part of the sale price, so a £120 item with £20 shipping and the buyer is not charged. Item gets shipped and my adorable buyer decides he doesn't want to pay duties. I would then have to pay return shipping £20 ( which also receives a customs fee), customs of over 50%, so now talking fees of £100 to get the item returned, THEN the charmer of a buyer files a payment dispute with their bank, and with that, total original purchase cost removed from future sales. It takes 3 months for a chargeback to get resolved, and you never know which way it's going to go...don't try and tell me it's any different, I live this

[@Finderskeepers.]

@@jonb3311 Then the charge get reversed and the card company dont want to know unless a fee is paid to investigate. No payment for the suppliers time to process the dispute either and it often remains unresolved due to lies from the purchaser. Why would a supplier take the risk ?

[@urbfr389]

It almost seems like it would have been better to stay in the union.

[@Theother1089]

Have you seen the decline of France and Germany! Our company bought a property in France and we took all goods including building materials, appliances, glazing, decorating materials, furniture etc because it was cheaper to drive it for nine hours, than buy it in France.

[@chrisl.9750]

@@Theother1089non-sense. Where’s the French decline?

[@superrrnova1986]

@@chrisl.9750 Like, look at the news dude. Michael Barrnier is literally getting ousted right now. Another EU bozo

[@superrrnova1986]

@@chrisl.9750 "If the motion of no-confidence passes this would lead to the fall of the French government - the first time it has collapsed to a no-confidence vote since 1962. If this happens, Barnier is likely to stay on as caretaker as France's President Emmanuel Macron chooses a successor. This was no easy task in the summer, when it took Macron two months to choose a name that wouldn't immediately be shot down by one of the large parliamentary factions. There's also a possibility that Macron appoints an unelected technocrat government - but this likely wouldn't last long as they struggle to be seen as legitimate. We do know for sure that a new election is not an option. Under the French constitution they cannot be called within a year of the previous polls, which in this case took place last July."

[@Heathy87]

yeah if you had a brain when voting you would have realised that being a rule maker is better than being a rule taker. not sure why people thought we'd be better off without a voice at the table. not to mention it took years to become a member in the first place. lol local council I work for is like £25m in debt. thanks brexit. i'm sure we'll get those benefits any day now.... any day..

[@ayearebee5732]

I’m shutting down selling goods to both the EU and NI on the 13th. I don’t see a realistic or affordable way to avoid this. It’s a nightmare.

[@Bushwacker-mb6hw]

Really? 😂

[@ronzock]

rejoin the single market? or are you "failing to see the opportunities" according the brexiteers who sold you a lie?

[@guardian100]

You mean sabotaged don't you​@@ronzock

[@daviddesert3132]

I buy from the uk to Sweden...not much has changed really. Can't you hold stock abroad? And pay a procent to someone like me😂just to post it on for you.

[@charisma-hornum-fries]

That's what happened within the EU since Brexit.

[@knightsnight5929]

Brexit, the idiots gift that keeps on giving and giving and giving and.... Thanks for that guys...

[@hollyexley]

I'm an illustrator and I sell prints and other items through etsy. I've lost my EU customers over this. They represent 20% of my custom. Brexit was already making my business suffer due to inflation, and rising costs of shipping.

[@gauloiseguy]

I'm so sorry. Wish you the best of luck getting around these limitations. Maybe it's possible to find a EU based representative? Wish your fellow countrymen would have voted for corporation with the EU trading block instead of choosing they rather not have a vote and whine about it. It's pathetic and it must be a drag.

[@pansepot1490]

Sorry to hear that. I am frankly surprised you lasted this far. I have heard of countless small businesses that relied on online sales that had to shut down operations because a crucial part of their customer base was in the EU. Last I heard talking about of the Brexit consequences is Peter Chan of Herons Bonsai Nursery. He has a very successful bonsai channel on KZbin. In passing he mentioned that he lost 40% of his business because of Brexit. To be perfectly honest for years after the referendum I believed that British politicians would have found a way to reverse Brexit because of how damaging it obviously was. Guess I was wrong.

[@pansepot1490]

Sorry to hear that. I am frankly surprised you lasted this far. I have heard of countless small businesses that relied on online sales that had to shut down operations because a crucial part of their customer base was in the EU. Last I heard talking about of the Brexit consequences is Peter Chan of Herons Bonsai Nursery. He has a very successful bonsai channel on KZbin. In passing he mentioned that he lost 40% of his business because of Brexit. To be perfectly honest for years after the referendum I believed that British politicians would have found a way to reverse Brexit because of how damaging it obviously was. Guess I was wrong.

[@maartenaalsmeer]

It's always funny to witness the constant and classic Brexiter "Yeah but Germany...!" whataboutery. Because A) Whatever happens to Germany doesn't change the fact that the UK is in economical decline, and B) Germany is still doing way better than the UK, even with all the current issues. Their base is better, they will adjust and recover, supported by being an EU member and able to trade freely with 26 other member states.

[@superrrnova1986]

UK was growing until Labour took over.. So to back up your so-called Brexit argument, you choose to cite the state of our country right now as evidence, when our government seems to be actively doing everything it can to make all of the worst decisions. Ruining farming. Ruining businesses with their tax increases. Ruining the elderly population. We were growing under the Tories, one of he fastest growing nations. We have five years of decline to look forward because of the decisions this Labour party have made. But yeah, lets keep talking about Brexit.

[@TB-vm9yr]

Germany is now the 3rd Largest economy in the world. Brexiters never mention that

[@superrrnova1986]

@@TB-vm9yr Do you ever mention that 67% of benefit claimants in Germany are foreign born? Germans slaving away to sustain an invasive species

[@maartenaalsmeer]

@@superrrnova1986 _We were growing under the Tories, one of he fastest growing nations_ I'm guessing economics isn't your forte. UK growth since 2010 has been lackluster and largely driven by immigration. Looking at GDP per capita, which accounts for population growth, the UK’s overall and relative performance is even worse: GDP per capita has grown by a mere 4.3% over the past 16 years, compared to 46% in the years prior. The growing population has masked the UK’s “atrocious” record on productivity (output per worker) which grew by just 0.6% a year in the 2010s. Since the 2008 financial crisis. productivity growth has been the slowest for two centuries. Source: UK Resolution Foundation.

[@gloin10]

It’s NOT just the other 26 EU members that Germany has effectively free access to. There’s also the four EFTA members who participate in the EU’s Single Market by their membership of the European Economic Area(EEA). Then there’s the EU’s comprehensive Free Trade Agreements(FTAs) with Japan, South Korea, South Africa and Mexico, not to mention the MercoSur FTA coming in soon. And the UK?

[@recycledpaper]

Part of our business was selling online to European Customers, this was completely shut down by Brexit two years ago. Big multi national businesses can afford to set up branches and warehouses in Europe. Brexit was all about monopolistic inefficient big businesses, destroying the competitive threat from small businesses, who could for the first time trade internationally within the open borders of the Single market.

[@DaveSeville-sf1ku]

Yeah absolutely. Small businesses are the majority too compared to big FTSE 100 firms

[@superrrnova1986]

No it wasn't. All businesses I've worked for that deal with companies abroad, especially the EU, have gone on like business as usual. They're thriving, in fact. Either adapt or get mollywhopped. Your company didn't choose to adapt.

[@paulblack8887]

Brexit keeps paying dividends, to quote a fellow traveler "Tired of winning?"

[@garyb455]

The European project has failed as an economic experiment. This brutal truth has yet to percolate through all Labour ranks or shift what one might loosely call the BBC narrative, but the facts are so staggering that it must soon intrude on internal British politics. The eurozone has seen hardly any growth for a quarter century. Per capita GDP in the EU as a whole is $40,800 compared to $81,700 in the US. The EU’s Draghi report says real disposable income per person has grown almost twice as fast in America since 2000. “Europe is stuck in a static industrial structure,” says the report...

[@lexvstee]

@@garyb455 That seems interesting. Where can I find this report?

[@bendreczko9054]

@@garyb455 if any of this is true why is poland do so well then in the EU?

[@poiuytrewq5544]

@@lexvstee The quote seems to be from "The future of European competitiveness" (aka "the Draghi report") by Mario Draghi to the EU from September this year. Draghi is a former PM of Italy and former chief of the European Central Bank. There's a lot of news reports on it from a variety of outlets. I'd put a link in to the report but yt tends to auto-delete comments with links.

[@frogandspanner]

Germany, Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden, France ... all have higher income/spending power than UK, and the gap has grown since Brexit.

[@Lynnpjjbdndji]

This rule was announced 5 years ago I am sure Boris oven ready deal has it covered ?????????

[@omonkkonen6676]

😂

[@capello85]

I am sure is true but just want to check myself. Do you have any reliable source for your statement?

[@janickpauwels3792]

@@capello85 It is EU regulation 2023/988 (so you can look it up), and it was published on May 23, 2023, so 1.5 years ago. I don't know when it was first announced that this was coming, but at least 18 months ago, everything was finalised and published, and the full text was available. Then there was an 18 month transition period to give all businesses time to adapt.

[@capello85]

@@janickpauwels3792 I checked this and is true, It was announced in May-23. Probably there were talks and rumours way before that but nothing concrete. Boris is a clown but I suspect his team had no clarity on this matter during Brexit negotiations

[@hephesto555666]

@@janickpauwels3792 It's built upon a legislative framework / directive that has been running since 2017. This is NOTHING new, even these specific rules were organized well over a year ago..............EU companies, as there are also new, inter-member guidelines, have been preparing for year now. The UK was seemingly oblivious till last month, I deal with folks related from wargaming miniatures to industrial machinery and virtually nobody knew what was going on. Nor that this also applies to sales platforms like Ebay or even refurbished and repaired goods.

[@dar1e08]

Yeah but look on the bright side, Blue passports (which mean no fast track at EU airports)! We sure showed them!

[@iliumoftroy]

And fish we can no longer sell

[@DamianDuncan-x4b]

And no one can name a single benefit what a win 😂

[@jfrancobelge]

You mean the sovereign passports printed in Poland by the local branch of a French group?

[@dufud]

Just got mine . Looks so much better in blue.

[@superrrnova1986]

Most of Europe is turning into Bradford. I'm so glad we're not a part of that. Hard enough challenge with the channel separating us from mainland Europe All you champagne socialists have to offer up is EU fast track and passport colour? Sounds about right

[@JB_inks]

"They need us more than we need them. We hold all the cards. Sunlit uplands, no downsides to Brexit, blah blah"

[@superrrnova1986]

Hopefully in 2029 we leave it all and have the proper clean break we voted for

[@JB_inks]

@superrrnova1986 that's really funny, I didn't think of that one

[@superrrnova1986]

@@JB_inks What's funny is your friend Barnier getting ousted for going against democracy and trying to shove things through like a tyrant. He learned some things at the EU

[@neilmchardy9061]

@@superrrnova1986yes, you can remove your eyes as well as your ears then you will be all set for a total brexit.

[@superrrnova1986]

@@neilmchardy9061 Leave the ECHR, leave any existing deals with the EU on absolutely everything. Remove millions of people who shouldn't be here. Defend our borders.. Reform 2029!!!

[@Barlofontain]

If only someone had warned us... 😶

[@BigBlack81]

🤡🌎🤣😱

[@CARSONSAMANTHAJAYNEWILLIAMS]

Hahaha oh I like a sense of humour 😂

[@joeduffy3309]

"Project fear" They told us.

[@superrrnova1986]

The perks of leaving the EU far outweigh this nonsense. Looking forward to 2029 so we can finally get our hard Brexit

[@joeduffy3309]

@@superrrnova1986 You should stick to playing computer games kid, you know nothing about how the world works.

[@Fab666.]

What British ppl appear to be completely blind to is the US effect on small business owners from the last 20 years in the Uk Americans already own most of every single shopping centre and high street in the Uk. Wrecked small businesses with Amazon, Uber’d the taxi industry to pieces, and technology addicted the population with its social media platforms… and made u sick with McDonald’s, kfc, burgerking, subway etc etc. and they Houdini away the profits back to the USA while paying little tax But not once do we hear a peep about this from anyone, it’s complaining about the eu when you already let the wolf into the Hen house. And ppl call it a ‘special’ relationship! Sure it is… very special indeed

[@jonescrusher1]

Not sure about all that.

[@RoofLight00]

@@jonescrusher1 Prove it then?

[@superrrnova1986]

I bet you guy stuff from all the places you mentioned

[@jonescrusher1]

@@RoofLight00 the person making the claims has to provide the proof. This all obvious nonsense.

[@Fab666.]

@@superrrnova1986absolutely as do you! And I’m still correct

[@hjhiraniify]

"They need us more than we need them." Reciting this chant helps overcome all Brexit anxieties.

[@peterw4338]

What's all the fuss about? For exports, the UK is now on the same level Mongolia and Kazakhstan

[@RH1812]

Odd that when you leave a trading arrangements, you then need to deal with trading with that bloc on its terms. I’m shocked.

[@gloin10]

“I’m shocked”? As opposed to the British economy, which got stunned by Brixit!

[@beandinner1262]

The MBGA crowd keep on finding ways to make this country worse.

[@davidpaterson2309]

This is not “EU red tape”. The U.K. had no “red tape” AT ALL - not even a piece of paper or a signature, not even a nod from a customs officer - between itself and any other member country as an EU member. A truckload from Manchester to Milan or Munich had the same documents as one to Maidenhead. It was the Johnson government (NOT the referendum) that decided that “leaving the EU” also had to mean “exiting the single market and customs union”. That was a DECISION, it was neither necessary nor essential. Every single piece of re created bureaucracy, every additional customs entry and declaration, that takes us back 50 years in trade facilitation and cost, is the result of that deliberate U.K. government decision to make the U.K. a “third country”. It is, as JB has memorably described it before, the first example of a country “imposing economic sanctions on itself”.

[@byrnemeister2008]

Yes, it was a decision. A really bad one by a chancer who will never be accountable.

[@johnrussell3961]

The Tories had no idea what Brexit meant when they offered it!,

[@scottybeck100]

Torries knew exactly how bad Brexit would turn out. They just enjoyed the Russian bribes more...

[@Dynasty1818]

Almost like leaving the EU has never been done before and NOBODY knew the long-term impacts. I'm sure you did though with all your expertise, and you're not a whining pathetic cynic.

[@Olyfrun]

​​@@Dynasty1818many did, yeah. Even Moggy did, that's how he was able to profit so much from the ludicrous decision. Only 45 years until it starts paying off for the rest of us...

[@Neithan02]

​@@Dynasty1818 economic impact Was quite clear, just look at levels of trade et cetera. Or hey, all European countries do quality checks on imports. Then it can get traded all through the EU. Now the UK has to do their own checks for everything. Welcome cost increases....

[@johnrussell3961]

@@Dynasty1818 You still think 52% would have voted Brexit knowing what what we know now?

[@nearlythere9443]

"There will be no downsides to Brexit, only considerable upsides". David Davis October 2016. "

[@geertstroy]

You can send these small items to the whole world outside the EU ... oh wait they also have trade rules.

[@janickpauwels3792]

Indeed, and also important to note that nobody was stopping you from exporting anything to anywhere in the world, while inside the EU.

[@gauloiseguy]

​@@janickpauwels3792 If anything, the EU made that much easier as a large block can negotiate and handle trading lots easier. That's the true power of the EU (or the US and to a much smaller extend BRICS).

[@jamessteel9016]

So much for Brexit cutting red tape; it’s added more.

[@RedcoatTrooper]

Crazy it's almost like that was obvious.

[@Dynasty1818]

Hindsight is perfect for the lazy and uninformed that want to whine.

[@happyjonn9242]

"New EU Export Rules".... NEW RULES. from the EU..... how is this Brexit or Britain's fault that the EU introduce new silly rules?

[@RedcoatTrooper]

​@@Dynasty1818 Hindsight is only a thing if you didn't point it out beforehand.

[@franklingoodwin]

What idiots thought it would reduce red tape? 😂

[@ai-d2121]

Time to apply for EU membership folks because it will become way worse.

[@SmokeroftheFuture-y5c]

@ai-d2121 There's no going back ever and we've got the rest of the whole world to trade with.

[@joeduffy3309]

bahaha, What's the point? It will take 30 years before the UK is economically sound enough to gain recognition status and then there's the simple fact that at least half a dozen countries will veto, and all it takes is one. The UK will never be let near the EU ever again.

[@gloin10]

You can apply as often as you like, but the reality is that the European Commission is utterly unlikely to even open the envelope containing the UK’s FOURTH membership application for the foreseeable future. And by that, I mean at NO point in the next 35-50 years… The UK, currently, doesn’t meet even HALF the Copenhagen Criteria. The UK’s Debt/GDP ratio, which is more than 100% and RISING, rules out EU membership straight away.

[@gauloiseguy]

​@@joeduffy3309 You may underestimate how positive we view the 48%. It won't be anytime soon though. Maybe beyond 2030. Sane EU residents and politicians hold no resentment against the UK. Before rejoining we might need some reassurance the fertile ground for EU blaming has dried out.

[@gauloiseguy]

​@@gloin10 Ouch. Didn't look at the figures. On the other hand, if those figures are carved in stone there's some southern EU countries who wouldn't be in the EU as well. So maybe there's some recalibration needed.

[@paulwaite2219]

Presumably it will not just affect the UK businesses. It sounds like it will also be a problem for our Australian exports to EU also a problem for any other country not in the EU.

[@drcommonsense1]

Will the farmers be marching down to parliament over this?

[@kirishima638]

No famers no fools

[@danmayberry1185]

Another tick for large monolithic companies.

[@hephesto555666]

And for those wondering, yes these guidelines also apply to sales platforms like Ebay and Amazon. As well as in most cases apply to refurbished items or those needing repair work..........EU companies have been warning you for months, nobody listened (speaking from personal experience).....................

[@treborsirrah7916]

I used to buy lots of stuff on Amazon UK, like my mobile phone but since Brexit the tax has finished that, now I use Amazon Germany, I live in a remote part of Ireland btw

[@MaraDavidson-f6w]

It's almost as if it was a con but the right wing grifters and newspapers keep saying it wasn't so....

[@heatherlinnette189]

Let’s remember we had a shockingly bad deal when leaving the EU, done by the conservative government . The first meeting for leaving the EU with the European body, Our representatives didn’t even take any information with them! But the EU representatives were armed to the teeth.

[@RazorMouth]

No trade deal can cover avoiding these trade rules, they apply to all third countries.

[@heatherlinnette189]

@ the point is how it affects Northern Ireland!

[@Leberteich]

Are you... blaming... the EU representatives for being organised and prepared?

[@heatherlinnette189]

@ absolutely not, I am blaming the Conservative party for not being organised or taking on-board any of the legal ramifications that they need to know from the very beginning.

[@tonykavanagh4850]

eu red tape? no brexit red tape.

[@peterparker219]

It might be annoying for UK businesses, but it's customer protection on the EU citizens side which is a great priority in the EU. I'm sorry you voted to opt out, but it's definitely not red tape for the sake of red tape. 🇪🇺🇪🇺🇪🇺🇪🇺🇪🇺🇪🇺

[@michaelhoskins6579]

I'm a full time online seller selling mostly secondhand items on various platforms. I'll have no option but to stop selling to the EU and NI from 13th December. The amount of work involved is completely cost prohibitive. I think the GPSR has taken the online selling platforms by complete surprise, and they've been asleep at the wheel and haven't given us much useful info. I can still sell to GB and the rest of the world at least, and to be honest my sales to the EU have tanked anyway due to Brexit. Although this will certainly impact me as i do sell quite a lot to NI. I'm updating my CV and brushing up on my interview skills as this change may well force me to shut up shop and find an employed job if my sales tank any further.

[@petercarroll9167]

This has been known for months. Glad someone is now taking notice.

[@petercarroll9167]

If you are a seller based in Northern Ireland you can sell to GB but not to someone else in NI unless you comply with these new rules. And many sellers in GB will stop selling to NI so we have to try and find alternative EU suppliers which are in a different currency and have much higher shipping costs.

[@silverfox7523]

I have been selling to EU for last 10 yrs and since Brexit sales have fallen off completely largely due to VAT having to be paid, I can honestly say I probably won’t bother if these new rules come to pass!!!

[@stevo728822]

VAT has nothing to do with this.

[@silverfox7523]

@ buyers only started paying VAT since Brexit !!

[@dianamincher6479]

I was in Venice when I heard about the Brexit vote and my heart dropped to my shoes because I knew it would not augur well!

[@WLatu-kz7se]

I DECIDED to leave a tennis club, (I didn't like the membership fee) and now I am furious that as a non-member I have to pay for parking on the club's premises and court rental... Who's fault is this?

[@assses-3216]

But surely the club came to you at the 11th hour begging you not to leave, because of all the benefits you brought to them?

[@Muziekdoosmuziek]

Do enjoy the benefits of Brexit whatever they are.

[@jacko10001-n]

brexit as cost this country billions of pound s in lost trade.

[@bh5037]

that's what the UK voted for .... by ignorance and arrogance ... following liars like Garage and Bojo the clown .... and they loved that !!

[@garyb455]

The European project has failed as an economic experiment. This brutal truth has yet to percolate through all Labour ranks or shift what one might loosely call the BBC narrative, but the facts are so staggering that it must soon intrude on internal British politics. The eurozone has seen hardly any growth for a quarter century. Per capita GDP in the EU as a whole is $40,800 compared to $81,700 in the US. The EU’s Draghi report says real disposable income per person has grown almost twice as fast in America since 2000. “Europe is stuck in a static industrial structure,” says the report...

[@michaelmccarthy9411]

Billions

[@jeffreymelanson4549]

So has your government. Hahaha.

[@coalhouse_walkerjnr4735]

@@garyb455 Project? The the usual condescending attempt at insult for a 68 y-o institution. America's great wealth sits in the hands of a few oligarch billionaires and crypto-speculators. The EU takes on and raises the standards of living of economic basket case countries like East Germany, Romania. Millions of Americans have little or no access to health care. US food standards are abysmal.... The EU can work to improve its industrial structure, however the US will never achieve a welfare state or safety net for its people. You can quote GDP till the cows come home but I'll take quality of life over cheap guns any day of the week.

[@GamerayVideos]

Brexit the gift that keeps on giving!

[@ypure3859]

this is ABSOLUTE MADNESS!

[@gloin10]

BRIXIT is the “…absolute madness!” But hey, you KNEW what you were voting for, as you ceaselessly told us, so you MUST have known that this further impediment to UK exports to the EU/EEA was going to happen, eh?

[@markreed9853]

When the vote came up the 2 thoughts I had were how is it going to effect me when I want to travel aboard and how is is going to effect the UK doing business with the rest of Europe - both looked bad, sadly I was correct!

[@lordchaa1598]

At least the fish are happy 😃. Right? Lol 😂

[@GabeT-eo3pm]

Brexit has tanked the UK period.

[@lanmastersassistant659]

Ill be honest im a small business owner that exports i thought i understood the new EU rules, i didnt. My business wont sell to the EU after this. I simply wont be able. We saw our specialist business sales drop to the EU drop by 95% since we left the common market. The customs charge and import costs double the peice of our products to the EU. Dare i say we may never sell to the EU after next week. Our business will now survive on customers from the UK commonwealth and USA.

[@PDVism]

USA is out too as soon as Spanky adds tariffs to UK imports.

[@lanmastersassistant659]

@@PDVism true but exporting to The USA is already too expensive to make it a viable business branch as it is. Only sold to the USA 3 times in the last year.

[@elainepatino5625]

I didn’t vote for Brexit because I knew it would adversely impact UK business interests. Why didn’t UK business owners know that?

[@mjl2904]

So all the coverage on the rise in employer NI tax and how it will affect small and medium businesses (forget it only affects businesses that hire a certain amount of staff). Yet absolutely nothing on all this ridiculous red tape due to Brexit and international trade with our closest neighbours 🤯

[@AnthonyMarks-v6n]

I’m a small business and I knew about these changes a year and a half ago. Mind you I export a lot to Europe so I always have to keep my eye on things. The latest is a new Spanish recycling logo that has to be added, it was voluntary but now it’s a must from 2025, that did catch me out.

[@fcassmann]

Who cares? We don't. Out means out. Have fun. 🇪🇺🇳🇱

[@aukebij3193]

This story is only partially correct. You do not need to have a contact person in the EU, but one in each country you sell in. so if you sell in Germany, Netherlands, France, Belgium. you must have a contact person in each country

[@kevonslims7269]

Why can’t they go to theEU website and read the regulation?

[@garethjones6880]

Ha ha ha ha ha 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Gotta love 🇬🇧🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@aukebij3193]

@@kevonslims7269 It is simply stated it is on the EU website. From December onwards, an exporter from a third country must have a contact point in every EU country to which he exports. and I don't understand where the panic is coming from in England because it was already announced in January this year. and this applies not only to sellers of goods but also to services. An English real estate agent who, for example, sells houses in France must also have a point of contact in France. This also applies to insurance, financial services, you name it

[@nosaj2001]

No, all you need is a single European representative for a responsible person for all of europe. I'm having to do this for my business at the moment.

[@aukebij3193]

@@nosaj2001 yes, that was enough during the transition period, but that transition period has now ended. you have had a year to arrange everything

[@simonmarshall3869]

Well at least we super charged Polands economy I guess

[@gloin10]

Well, SOMEONE has to print those precious BLUE passports!

[@CupOfSweetTea]

Brexit is brilliant. Boris said so. So I'm convinced.

[@kevonslims7269]

Another Brexit negative without a positive to compensate.

[@paologat]

There is a positive side. For the EU.

[@heavycritic9554]

@@paologat It's not as positive as it would have been to have the UK still in the EU, but there's no actual downside for the EU; that's definitely correct. The UK are the only ones suffering here, and it's by their own hand.

[@cariad4297]

Brits got what they voted for and they cannot claim they weren’t warned. 😂😂😂

[@joskowal3711]

48% of Brits didn't get what they voted for.

[@knightsnight5929]

​@@joskowal3711Or to put it another way, 66% of the total electorate did not vote for this.

[@garyb455]

The European project has failed as an economic experiment. This brutal truth has yet to percolate through all Labour ranks or shift what one might loosely call the BBC narrative, but the facts are so staggering that it must soon intrude on internal British politics. The eurozone has seen hardly any growth for a quarter century. Per capita GDP in the EU as a whole is $40,800 compared to $81,700 in the US. The EU’s Draghi report says real disposable income per person has grown almost twice as fast in America since 2000. “Europe is stuck in a static industrial structure,” says the report...

[@pete_lind]

27 different customs laws to exporter to learn . Finland customs app do count import duty estimation , but if you import a lamp duty varies of the age and material, plastic less and brass more duty . If the web shop is in UK, and it is a bigger shop, they may deliver from Netherlands, just to avoid custom problem.

[@lestrem11]

Yes , only France and Germany are even worse…..🤦‍♂

[@SC-it3kd]

Well at least we now have control of our borders…….oh wait

[@kamcg1049]

Where are all the politicians who told us about all those Brexit benefits? Maybe we should start a petition in Parliament to force Brexit to be discussed? Nobody elected seem to want to talk about it, so the public need to force them, or at the very least embarrass them. Once they have the debate then we start another petition again so the get the message the majority of the public are very very very unhappy.

[@1radiospeaker]

france doing well arent they

[@gloin10]

The average French person is doing much better than their British counterparts, thank you very much. The poorest 20% of Irish people are more than 60% better off than their British equivalent. Actually, the poorest 20% of Slovenians are around 20% better off than the poorest 20% of the UK’s people. The UK, in terms of Per Capita GDP, barely makes it into the top-30 in the world.

[@zedtrek]

Can we stop complaining and actuality apply to join again?

[@efremvercaigne7265]

The process would literally take decades.

[@goncalovazpinto6261]

Do you seriously think it's that simple?!

[@SmokeroftheFuture-y5c]

There's no going back.

[@joeduffy3309]

You won't be "joining again", You may however reapply for membership, another queue the UK will be at the back of I can assure

[@endabutler7232]

Small business owner here in Ireland and we used to regularly buy supplies from the UK. We now buy absolutely nothing from there. Too much risk around delivery times and possible /probable additional costs. We now purchase the same parts from companies in France and The Netherlands. I know many business owners over here who now also source supplies from all over the EU who would also have previously bought them in the UK. I was at a trade show in the NEC last year and when I explained this to a company owner on a stand you could visibly see the discomfort written across his face. It must be just destroying the UK economy. Still find it bizarre that the UK chose to foist this upon itself without first questioning what a post Brexit would actually look like. Madness.

[@byrnemeister2008]

Some of us tried. But hey that was just project fear. Apparently that is now project reality.

[@Leberteich]

There is a positive to this story. It shows how the EU safeguards its smaller countries from the madness of their bigger neighbours. You readily found alternative suppliers. Your former UK suppliers haven't found new buyers. Ireland 1 : UK 0.

[@nutwood5137]

We are desperately missing SITPRO, the UK Simplification of Trade Quango which the coalition closed in 2010. SITPRO was the BIS agency dedicated to support UK export trade as a private public partnership between traders and customs, ports and transport etc. They provided a helpline and it would have been providing information on these desperately unfortunate post-BREXIT trading issues

[@Leberteich]

It is unrealistic that EU import formalities can be sorted by a UK trade quango. They can tell you what fees to pay. Great. You still have to pay fees.

[@Alexander-yb1zc]

Taking a step back it's quite mad that a regulation introduced by the EU means that even companies with no intention of shipping to the EU cannot ship to Northen Ireland.

[@Leberteich]

Taking another step back, isn't it rather more mad that NI is not part of the country on its own island, but part of a country on a different island?

[@Alexander-yb1zc]

Hey if they want a united Ireland let them go for it they cost the UK £10 billion a year, but until that day my point stands.

[@ainerush8942]

The smart thing to do would be for an agency to set up in ireland,not the north,and then for anyone who wants an eu point of origin to register their products with them. Someone who sets up agenies of that type would of course need to carry insurance should any of the products registered prove to be faulty and should serious damage to a person or property be caused. Electric batteries and electric battery powered items have been exploding and causing very serious injuries to people and causing explosice and uncontrollable house fires. Scooters,bicyles,electric bikes,mobility scooters and wheelchairs have all been the cause of thes problems. Power packs, and anything with a regargeable battery have also caused these problem. Many of these items are new ,many are pre owned. Most are sold on amazon,ebay and facebook marketplace. It has become a major problem for insurance companies compensating people because the origin of these products is outside the eu,mainly china,taiwan and korea. So the legislation was very necessary. The uk has not introduced any safeguards against these products for uk consumers even though the emergency especially fire services have said they are very concerned about the increasing incidences they're dealing with caused by these items. Unfortunately everything else has been caught in the new health and safety legislation.

[@brianbarcroft9167]

Oh joy, another Brexit benefit. Never ending.

[@Dark_Depresion]

Wouldn't it be nice if there was some sort of collective, a union of sorts, specifically founded and designed to streamline and make international trade easier and cheaper to the vast benefit for all involved parties?..

[@SarahPhil-q4d]

So much winning!!!!

[@hephesto555666]

I'm still stunned this stuff is just coming up now. EU companies have been preparing for the GPSR guidelines for nearly a year (there's generally more admin and there are also updated inter-members guidelines), and yet I'm now seeing dozens of small companies only now figuring it out this is a thing...................in fact scratch that, I'm seeming mid-sized companies who sells millions' worth of goods across the EU who only realized this was a thing

[@nonyabisness6306]

everytime brexit comes up i open a beer and prepare to laugh.

[@Leeuwy]

Who was it again who said, "we hold all the cards" ?

[@zigowl1193]

Ah. The consequences of our actions. What a pain.

[@007h13]

Recently I drove a UK plane mechanic. He voted for brexit but now he realised that his own diplomas are not available in Europe anymore. Hahaha I loved it. Shitexit hits hard.

[@colinsmith9202]

Well if the UK was still in the EU, businesses would still have to apply all the new requirements to trade within the Customs Union... it just that now the UK is a rule taker rather than a rulemaker ( the same applies for the hazardous chemical labelling laws that have just been published by Brussels)

[@tiborsipos1174]

So youre telling me that the average brexit voter barely buys anything from local businesses? I thought the whole point of brexit was that this country is a self sustaining paradise... :D

[@willyhill7509]

Well we paid over 700 billion into the EU inflation adjusted over 50 years so that cost us all a lot more than thousands.

[@paulneedham3608]

Tired to explain this sort of thing to my brother in law that this would happen. But they just understand or don't want to. A cording to him it will be all wight in 2 yesrs.

[@Leberteich]

It will get worse over time, not better.

[@Ramschat]

Remember when they left the EU to rid themselves of red tape? Oh, the irony

[@tersecwalsingham5778]

Something about reaping what you sow.

[@HomeGrownVeg]

Who's policing this. If you sell in the EU and you don't have an EU contact who's going to know?? Genuine question. Just asking.

[@aukebij3193]

As a business you must have a Chamber of Commerce trade number for the country you sell in. If you do not have this, your product will not even enter the European Union, then it will be immediately routinized.and when applying for the Chamber of Commerce number you must provide a contact address in the country where you sell. This may not be a PO Box number but an address and not a private home. and It must contain a telephone number of the contact point in that country.

[@iamthestog]

And what's the punishment if you don't do this?

[@gggmmmxspace]

???

[@golddigger8759]

This channel is a gem of YT ❤

[@macflod]

Heres an idea- tell truth about brexit, eat humble pie and admit it was folly and seek to re join or at least EFTA or alike

[@GregOrCreg]

I feel very sorry for small business owners for whom this will be a shock, and the government should have done more to advise people of this imminent legislation, but tbf it's probably come at the least worst time. By 13th December, when the legislation kicks in, we'd have already passed the cutoff date for sending out most goods to the rest of Europe in time for Christmas.

[@Leberteich]

A business is for life, not for Christmas.

[@IvanBreydin]

Don’t worry about it 🤷 Mogg the mighty and his Friends made a 👉💩💩💩💩load of cash out of the brexit design desalination 😮and English people actually voted for this.

[@jimsmith4611]

yes it will but only if they remain in business.

[@elainepatino5625]

Britain needed leaders who would’ve said Britain will lead the EU instead of leaders who had Britain leave like angry toddlers!

[@DrunkenDemon]

They kinda had that. GB got its way a lot back in the day.

[@missjouk4186]

Just wait until they find out about EUDR...

[@davidleonard37]

I used to buy some things from the UK on E Bay but with the import duty added now its rarely worth the hassle as the cost is too high. We were able to bypass that for a while with parcel motel as thry had a NI address but that's gone now too.

[@mhl8396]

Just shows how useless our current governement is and how little time they spend thinking about small business

[@assses-3216]

How small are we talking though? I've worked for galleries and nightclubs which turn over huge sums but because they are 1 venue. But if they make mistakes they play the small business card. Tbf, assuming you are profitable enough to be able to salary people, 5 NI free employees is quite generous.

[@devastatn]

So when the UK was in the EU they had to do this? Or by being a member of the EU you didn't have to? I don't see a problem.

[@kirishima638]

Didn’t have to

[@stevo728822]

A similar thing is happening in the USA. Up until recently China could export products worth up to $800 to the USA without having to comply with US import regulations. Biden withdrew that concession. Even small items shipped from China will require a contact identity reference for the US consumer, pay import duties and import regulations.

[@kencat6980]

It's been like this since Covid i can't get alot of things from Amazon & now Ebay most suppliers only deliver to UK mainland not N.Ireland it's madness absolute madness😢

[@thegeneral123]

Who's have thought leaving the biggest political and trading Union would have consequences for trading and dealing with said Union. A 5 year old could have seen this stuff happening.

[@DàvidNewton-u7q]

I am still waiting to see what gains have been made by leaving the EU.

[@tombattisti8682]

Could a person or business in NI be an EU point of contact?

[@Leberteich]

After Irish unity.

[@geeksworkshop]

When are we going to stop blaming Brexit and start blaming the EU again. After all. It's their EU rules! :P The point of contact in the EU seems like it's tariff

[@assses-3216]

Blaming the EU for exercising sovereignty and regulations over their single market, isn't that a bit hypocritical?

[@Leberteich]

Let's blame the EU for ... having rules?

[@DrunkenDemon]

This sounds like a troll.

[@geeksworkshop]

@DrunkenDemon Poe's law.