Should football players be 'forced' to wear LGBTQ+ armband? | LBC Debate

[@Wenutz]

The same ones crying about being forced to wear a rainbow flag would actively try to cancel you if you don't wear the poppy.

[@jackdubz4247]

Agreed.

[@ibexdnb2879]

Lol has that actually happened? I am going to say no. Wearing the poppy is optional mate.

[@richardsanders.4624]

Triggered by a flag. What a bunch of MELTS........

[@1Mutton1]

No they wouldn't.

[@1Mutton1]

​@@richardsanders.4624 it's not the flag that's the issue obviously.

[@RafaelMichaelJackson]

She wants to go back to the days of denying the existence of homosexuality for people at schools.

[@carlburton]

"As a christian, we don't judge" A statement so contradictory can only come from a follower of the bible.

[@smith2781]

No one should be forced to do anything. It should be a personal choice if they want to wear it or not.

[@ltjk98]

He personally decided to be a bigot and they can personally decide to do whatever they want or say what they want to him. Freedom of speech and expression is not freedom of consequence.

[@mariabrown6926]

​@@ltjk98 not wanting to tout an lgbt armband is not bigoted. Its a personal choice.

[@randomuser4201]

@@ltjk98 100% you can still be judged for your actions, Christian or not.

[@jojorumbles8749]

100% this.

[@ibexdnb2879]

​@@ltjk98 But writing Jesus loves you on a pride armband is not bigoted..

[@the_hermits_cave]

That’s rich! Christians insist we follow a lot of their rules such as Sunday opening times, even if we don’t follow or are associated with their religion

[@matthewmeehan9155]

No you shouldn't be forced. But it's funny how it's only LGBT that interferes with their religion not the promotion of gambling and alcohol.

[@organicwest]

I don't believe religion should be forced on my child.

[@davidatkinson5858]

Yeah completely agree with that....deliberately targeting other peoples children to indoctrinate your beliefs on their highly impressionable still developing minds is disgusting behaviour......whoever's doing it👍🙄

[@ltjk98]

Also while im in this cesspit of a comment section, you can choose to wear or not wear what you like, but ultimately the reason why you're doing that is the reason you will be judged. And just as you have every right to refuse, others have every right to look at that and call it disgusting

[@gazXspace]

You are wrong - unless someone declares their reasons you can't cast your judgement on what you think or perceive. Folk don't like being shamed into actions just to push an agenda. It's principal not bigotry.

[@michaelarloff1396]

I was with you till almost the end. Then I wasn't

[@ibexdnb2879]

OK, cool. What now?

[@AmeeB-oo1lr]

You think it’s disgusting. You are one person. The way you judge so to do others back at you

[@fumbleBumble82]

And just as you have the right to cast an opinion on people who are just going about their business, others have the right to cast an opinion on you for that opinion, and therefore come to the conclusion based on the opinion, that you're not a very decent or nice person.

[@lindaajide2115]

Why should they be shamed to wear what they don’t want to wear 😒. It’s no one’s business if they don’t want to wear!

[@harrietwindebank6051]

If Christians were banned from entering into heterosexual marriages or if books for kids weren’t allowed to include heterosexual married couples there should be protest. And there would be rightly (in my opinion), judgement against those who didn’t protest.

[@richardsanders.4624]

Triggered by a flag. What a bunch of MELTS........

[@lester316rbl4]

Also this woman... "It's not fair people are being called homophobic or transphobic". The same woman "anything other than being in a Christian heterosexual married relationship is bad". Sounds pretty homophobic to me. Same tripe as somone complaining about being cancelled whilst they're on some huge platform.

[@DoggleBird]

@lester316rbl4 It's sport. Focus on the sport. Keep both religion and ideology out of it.

[@NAStheNomad]

It’s not about being offended by others, it’s about being forced to comply and promote something that does not reflect your beliefs and views. It’s somewhat nuanced but there is a fundamental difference between the two arguments.

[@pawmo3162]

​@@NAStheNomadwhat does "conform and promote" mean here? Like, specifically?

[@NAStheNomad]

@@pawmo3162 promote means to actively encourage or support. I didn’t use the word conform so feel free to google that.

[@maxine2798]

@@NAStheNomadperhaps he should learn a bit more and base his opinion in fact and not the bible

[@ianhunter2374]

Nobody under any circumstances should be forced to do anything against there will i belive it's actually a crime to do so

[@bramsanjanssan4908]

People who are to lazy to read books have learned a new word: Ideology. And they do not understand it's meaning.

[@lydiasefton4780]

All footballers are forced to wear the advertisers of their club however dubious many of those companies ethics are...as i understand it this was not forced...its certain Christians being biggots again. I know there's loads of decent clear headed Christians sadly theres just enough loadmouths getting air time that are a totally cringe worthy group of people biased against multiple groups of people.

[@thegeneral123]

What should have happened is those who wanted to wear it, should have been allowed to wear it. Those that didn't shouldn't if they don't want to. What annoys me is that because one person disagreed, no one else was allowed to wear it.

[@kierongrantham7413]

The first lady that rang in said both religion and politics should both be kept out of football (FA rules) so surely his message breaks the rule too, no?

[@charlieprendergast9711]

He wouldn't have done it without being forced to wear the armband though would he?

[@kierongrantham7413]

@charlieprendergast9711 show me the footage of someone forcing the armband on him, then you can continue missing the point.

[@redeyegooner]

You can if you want to, but you won't be forced to. Isn't that kind of the point in acceptance inclusivity?

[@Paul-sz1no]

No,obviously they shouldn’t be forced to wear it.If they want to wear one then fine, no problem.

[@Wishing_you_peace]

Common sense is great.

[@FreeFlyerUk]

​@@Wishing_you_peaceBut uncommon, these days it seems

[@DS-od1kb]

Sam Morsy didn't wear an armband nobody has a problem with it. James MacLean doesn't wear a poppy....meltdown.

[@misterEstrange]

I think we need to show you a few things

[@DS-od1kb]

@misterEstrange Stick to the darts mate.

[@misterEstrange]

@@DS-od1kb no

[@AshMundo]

Don't know what you're talking about. People are crying about Sam not wearing it, too!

[@misterEstrange]

@@AshMundo you said nobody has a problem with morsy. And i need to show you the meltdown about it.

[@myket59]

When she said the “approving” of it, she was toast.

[@crispsfrd3416]

I don't think it was the caller who got toasted here

[@swissystan]

The lack of education relates to the understanding of the difference between promotion and recognition.

[@danrattigan96]

It’s such a small, ultimately meaningless gesture that it makes more of a statement not wearing it than just wearing it. Society has moved on. If you don’t like it, don’t do it. Take your lumps and own it

[@lordlemond1350]

I wish everyone celebrated black pride this much

[@RustyWalker]

That would come under what it says about appropriate kit in his contract, the same as my contract tells me what is uniform and what is not. My contract does allow for _conventional_ religious symbols for believers, like a discreet crucifix worn under a shirt or blouse, or a head covering for people of other faiths. It does not allow for the wearing of an armband showing a religious message as that wouldn't just be a show of personal faith. It would be proselytising in the workplace which is unacceptable.

[@KennyTew2]

Obviously not and luckily they aren’t.

[@AmeeB-oo1lr]

The example of it being forced on people is the fact it’s being discussed on the radio and players faces splashed all over the news

[@blackrainbow6126]

I really feel so sorry for the Christians being persecuted.... After centuries of persecuting everyone...

[@michaelangelosiracusa]

Just say it Andrea, you have an issue with non-heterosexual people, and that's ok, you can have those opinions. Some will agree with you, some won't, but their right to have their preferred sexuality, and even to marry who they want is within the law of this country, and the law trumps religion.

[@DavidHill-dz4bt]

Why hould anybody be coerced into wearing any badge for any ideology? Yes, they are forced/shamed into doing it.

[@emilymccartney1593]

It should be a choice.

[@randomuser4201]

It was...

[@emilymccartney1593]

@ I know…

[@KT_P_James]

It is

[@jamesharrison3045]

It was.

[@Wishing_you_peace]

That's real freedom.

[@dogblessamerica]

It's not promoting a "lifestyle" it's about acceptance. However there are people who are not accepting or tolerant and they should be allowed to decline wearing them.

[@blackrainbow6126]

No one should be forced to do anything.

[@jamespaul6315]

Wow football fans being bigots? Im shocked

[@mmmfahmy]

Bigots because they want football players to have the choice to do something or not do it?

[@TheAArmstrong]

But not the footballer himself?? Of course not, it’s faith.

[@mmmfahmy]

@@jamespaul6315 for having a choice of doing or not doing something like wearing a band? That’s not bigotry

[@jamespaul6315]

@ if you are at work and representing others you are. And his faith makes him a bigot anyway.

[@S7Vmv]

your a bigot against someone religious choice if you don't respect their right to not wear. it

[@jujutrini8412]

No. They should wear the kit and not be forced to wear armbands or poppies or any other superfluous stuff. It’s ridiculous to force them to wear these things.

[@randomuser4201]

They were not forced, how many of these dumb comments are there? Bots? Russia?

[@dean9235]

Christians don't judge. 😂😂😂

[@muaythaimarkthailand]

Footballers just like all people in the Uk should have the right and freedom to show support or not show support on any topic they want. Plain and simple, no one should be reprimanded for choosing not to support something.

[@BiWesCrew]

I'd rather they would be forced to read a book weekly to broaden the Horizon. The imbalance of income and intellect is frankly more challenging.

[@PrincessD855]

It clearly should be a choice

[@randomuser4201]

And it was...

[@lawrencehaynes6408]

It literally is a choice, and he chose to wear the armband 😂

[@ELIAB424]

​@@lawrencehaynes6408chose 😂

[@Ciilow24]

Absolutely we shouldn’t force captains to do that. people have different views and beliefs. If you want everyone to respect your identity, you should respect their beliefs as well.

[@MrGts92]

But it won't be the case if someone doesn't like Gueli because of his skin colour. He'll throw a wobbly.

[@danmayberry1185]

If my religion bans alcohol, must I wear a shirt that says Carlsberg?

[@KennyTew2]

That’s an interesting question.

[@dannyquinn9128]

There's no alcohol advertising on football shirts any more. If you'd said gambling, you'd have a point.

[@abdidesign3255]

The consumption of alcohol is forbidden, people just make religion difficult themselves for example if you have nothing else to consume but alcohol then you are permitted to do so because the perseveration of life outweighs that sin.

[@KennyTew2]

@@dannyquinn9128 I didn’t know that.

[@dannyquinn9128]

@KennyTew2 Sometimes it helps to know what you are talking about, before commenting. It stops you looking silly.

[@DoggleBird]

I'm an atheist and I stand with our Christian friends on this. I would refuse to wear this political symbol.

[@michaelcoward1902]

What an incredibly odd way to put it...

[@DoggleBird]

@@michaelcoward1902 What is odd about it?

[@lawrencelimburger9160]

Coppas "had a word" with a child who said a man cant become a woman in school... and he plays ignorant to any ideals

[@klich44]

The Christian is managing to fumble a water tight argument and the host is so far away from critical thinking that he should be nowhere near this topic

[@S7Vmv]

18:34 the fact this is being discussed on the radio is the example

[@AndyAndy-o2m]

An outcry if a Christian does this but when Muslim players do it we have to respect their religion.

[@basedchimera5859]

I completely support lgbt rights but people shouldnt be forced to wear them. It would also mean more if people actually CHOSE to wear it.

[@randomuser4201]

No one is being forced to wear them.... you are just making that story up in your head.

[@johncobourne361]

And if you CHOOSE to wear it and then CHOOSE to write your own message on it? Where do you draw the line? The Bible has some questionable stuff in it. People then choose which bits they're going to take as vitally important.

[@primalconvoy]

They've not been forced to wear them.

[@u.2b215]

@@randomuser4201 They are coerced to wear it or else there will be consequences.

[@whisperingleaves]

He just wrote "I

[@FreeFlyerUk]

Dont force your beliefs on anyone... Religion, I'm looking at YOU!

[@lukelindley789]

I doubt the people refusing to wear it will care what a bunch of fascists think anyway

[@Albanach-je1nk]

I love these people who are Christian who are not .

[@MrGts92]

As long as Gueli doesn't cry about racism or anti-Christian comments then its fine.

[@robertjsmith]

Footballers shouldn’t point to their sky daddy when they come on the pitch

[@SoSzaj]

She said absolutely zero facts. He needed to push her more. She clearly has no clue what is she talking about.

[@stringer6435]

football needs to stay away from political movements but it wont because there is so much money involved which means corruption .. let players make there own choices..

[@paulLFC93]

Football has always been political and nobody cared about it. until it was about equal rights for black people and lgbt people. Weird huh?

[@MrGts92]

Some football clubs wouldn't exist if it weren't for politics.

[@enockowl681]

Love the fact he got a christian on and not a muslim ... wouldnt be eight to chalenge that religion would it

[@wildbill7289]

He should never be forced to do it but it can also be highlighted that his beliefs on homosexuality are backwards and outdated, like most religious beliefs on this subject are. Hence the reason they wear the armband in the first place.

[@graemebuchan8142]

Not a promotion, more un proportional representation?

[@PedroPanzer]

Just ask yourself if a Muslim footballer should be forced to wear a price flag.

[@dogwalker666]

They should not be forced, They should be proud too wear them,

[@judithmorganjudyteen]

Not everyone is in agreement

[@TheTreeOctopus]

Says the person with 666 in their name!

[@dogwalker666]

@TheTreeOctopus Lol you do know that 666 is completely meaningless? Even if you believe that nonsense 666 is a mistranslation, lol hilarious! Are you a creationst as well?

[@dogwalker666]

@TheTreeOctopus Lol 666 has no meaning!

[@Bushwacker-mb6hw]

@@judithmorganjudyteenwouldn’t wear one if my life depended on it

[@TheGeneReyva]

No.

[@Bushwacker-mb6hw]

Absolutely disgusting no player or person should be made to wear anything!

[@AshMundo]

They're forced to wear the kits 😂😂😂

[@deanlowdon8381]

They’re not forced to wear anything, but people should be free to have an opinion on those that don’t…

[@MrGts92]

They're not forced, bot

[@salimsunji8056]

unfortunately, you're forgetting that the 'forcing' already took place when the religious footy players were circumcised then told they were christians

[@_CRU_X_]

Why's he asking such aimless questions?

[@easternbrown]

I'm sceptical that flags in general ever really nourish true human solidarity in the way that is claimed of them

[@salimsunji8056]

i agree. tribalism is endorsed by flags.

[@DavidHill-dz4bt]

Add to all other coerced so-called "celebratory months". Take a look at Bill Burr (US comedian) and his take on all such impositions in sport.

[@Billybongbaxter]

NO!!!!

[@neyoshu]

compelling argument

[@smith2781]

@@neyoshu 😂🤣

[@animalian01]

No they should not be forced to wear them.

[@danmayberry1185]

And they're not.

[@jeffsimon9594]

@@danmayberry1185 However they *are* being coerced.

[@cuedotfilms4427]

You haven't listened properly. No one is being forced to wear it. Just the same as no one should be forced to wear a poppy.

[@samjall]

FIFA has to pay the price for what they’re doing to sports.. personally I cancelled all my sports subscriptions in protest. I encourage everyone to boycott sports channels ..until they take politics out of the sport. Hit them financially they will smart up immediately.

[@michaelarloff1396]

Stonewall Stonewall! But she is tying herself up in knots

[@mistama6605]

It doesn’t matter now because Mark has clearly backtracked in his recent Sky interview

[@incubusdragon101]

Playing the hatchling game... suddenly the presenter doesn't understand the meaning of basic English and looks to trip up guest by forcing them to explain and define every word they say.

[@websitemartian]

and he still gets shut down ...

[@dxd8663]

I like how he also hurried her off the point she was making at 7:20 about teachers being pressured into teaching this twaddle at the threat of losing their jobs, because he knew it was devastating for his implied argument that there is no forced ideology going on.

[@michaelarloff1396]

Yeah, that's exactly his job

[@jamesharrison3045]

She couldn’t support her own assertion. Quoting her own website is not dispositive.

[@richardsanders.4624]

A bunch of melts triggered by a flag.

[@Bushwacker-mb6hw]

Woke nonsense

[@johncobourne361]

Nobody's forcing anyone to wear the armband. But if you do and then start writing on it, you are making a statement

[@SilasAndTimothy]

If you wear it, you're making a statement. By writing on it, you are just adding to the message.

[@johncobourne361]

​@@SilasAndTimothy . And are you allowed to write your own messages on your football kits?

[@SilasAndTimothy]

@johncobourne361 No, not on your kit, but if you are allowed to express beliefs on sexualit and genda with an armband, you should be allowed to write your personal faith beliefs on it. All are protected under the equalities act.

[@samtaylor2631]

Sport and politics should be kept separate. Regardless of anybody’s opinion. This is an example of overlooking the event in which people are there to watch and that’s the sport.

[@michaelarloff1396]

Apartheid South Africa?

[@samtaylor2631]

@ what ?

[@emilymccartney1593]

@@samtaylor2631 The football team I support, is steeped in politics 😁

[@samtaylor2631]

@ haha I think a lot of them are but on the field of play it should only be about the event taking place before the audience is my point ☺️

[@KT_P_James]

Thoughts on the poppy?

[@guitarmuso1]

What a country the UK has become ,what a great place it once was before all this BS

[@MrGts92]

Yeah I remember the union strikes of the 80s and read stories about how great it was during the war(!)

[@matthewmcbride28]

Nice feigned ignorence

[@davidfenton4387]

No absolute NOT

[@weareallwormfood]

I would of wore it but wrote i do not support any of this and my opinion is allowed on it. Its a free country and i don't have to support anything i don't think is right like religion also. Others are free to support what they want, but don't try and infore your opinions and beliefs on anyone else.

[@jackdubz4247]

News presenters and politicians shouldn't be forced to wear poppies in the run up to Armistice Day. And maybe it's time to stop trying to kick out racism from football and just embrace it as part of the game. SMDH. We need to stop pandering to religious types.

[@KT_P_James]

Exactly! Actual peoples’ feelings vs man in the sky’s feelings… nonsense.

[@DoggleBird]

@jackdubz4247 "News presenters and politicians shouldn't be forced to wear poppies in the run up to Armistice Day". They shouldn't be forced to wear a poppy. "And maybe it's time to stop trying to kick out racism from football and just embrace it as part of the game." No. Just deal with bad behaviour if and when it arises. "We need to stop pandering to religious types." - I am an atheist and I think we need to stop pandering to the woke authoritarians.

[@lukelindley789]

I think it’s a disgrace this host isn’t wearing a t shirt promoting prostate cancer awareness?? He should be sacked immediately

[@RafaelMichaelJackson]

The thing is, if he was asked to wear a prostate cancer t shirt, but refused to, and then got backlash for it. I don't think many people would phone in complaining and saying he shouldn't be forced to wear this ideological t shirt.

[@lukelindley789]

@ he can wear a t shirt saying I hate Luke Lindley for all I care it’s his choice and I’d never tell him what he can and can’t wear, nor would I be offended as I couldn’t care less what he or anyone else thinks

[@pete1942]

@@RafaelMichaelJacksonI think what would happen, is that the media would latch on to it and publish inflammatory headlines suggesting he didn’t care about prostrate cancer sufferers, while the detail of the articles that nobody would read, would state he regularly donates to a prostrate cancer charity. Social media would take over and claims that he actively promotes hiding prostrate cancer so that more men will suffer from it would go viral. It would then emerge that he was wearing a prostrate cancer awareness t-shirt on the day, but had spilled coffee on it and had to change at the last minute. This claim would be debated in minute detail in the comments section of various channels until it fizzled out and the next big outrage took its place.

[@MrGts92]

Was he asked to wear one? Then did he wear one just to scribble a message undermining it?

[@cheekytequilla7368]

I wonder of they would feel the same if it were a poppy?

[@DoggleBird]

@cheekytequilla7368 I would. Keep non-sports related symbols out of sport. That includes poppies, rainbow flags and religious symbols.

[@Glen-z7j]

It’s every players choice but the football authorities and the clubs shouldn’t even be asking them to wear such armbands etc it all goes out the window when countries in the Middle East come calling throwing billions into football, wear is thier rainbows and football for all then?! Lot of nonsense.

[@TheAArmstrong]

As a white lgbt supporting liberal, I don’t feel comfortable judging a black man.

[@randomuser4201]

Right, not a bot at all are you.

[@TheAArmstrong]

@ Fairly limp responses from the LBC lot though don’t you think??

[@ibexdnb2879]

😂😂😂

[@judithmorganjudyteen]

Why ?

[@TheTreeOctopus]

Western liberal progressive ideologies have destroyed this country!

[@drbennyboombatz9195]

He says he doesn't like to say "it's because people need educating" because it suggests people are thick, to me not understanding bitcoin (as an example of something complicated) you could find people that don't have the capacity to learn it and therefore you could use his terminology and say "theyre too thick to understand it" (although I'd disagree with that but whatever), the problem here is that's its extremely easy to understand what is being said with the rainbow it's just people reject it and actually to "educate them" in this capacity would actually mean to to force a belief system on them until they at least outwardly said they don't reject it

[@1Mutton1]

Tom is as bad as JOB. A complete smug pruck.

[@michaelcoward1902]

Nobody is forcing you to watch them.

[@1Mutton1]

@michaelcoward1902 no. But what worries me is people do watch them and get influenced by them. The difference between moderates /conservatives and the left is the left don't consume media outside their ECCO chamber. They have attitudes like yours.

[@jarvisjohnson114]

@@1Mutton1 you can't be serious the right literally built an echo chamber app to consume their own ideologies 🤣

[@jarvisjohnson114]

x

[@jarvisjohnson114]

@@1Mutton1 the conspiracy theory flat earth non vaxers on the right are the pinnacle of the victims of ecco chambers

[@psycrow6699]

Just keep all politics out of sport. We don’t go along to matches to be preached at.

[@spionkop7874]

Footballers like most others in sport r governed by money ( who isn't ). But no doubt many Footballers do not agree with the rainbow stance so wear it 4 the sake of their brand & sponsorship deals ( J Henderson).They can't cancel u if u just grin 4 the cameras.

[@oKOMAPo]

Imagine being forced to wear an armband showing that you are educated about other people who have different sexuality and gender risorders. Wow.

[@chelseamalarkey116]

my 2000 year old book said it's bad, ain't got no time for this education stuff.

[@SilasAndTimothy]

It's shocking to be forced to show you are educated on any topic- let alone sexuality at a football match. What the heck

[@scottcook2643]

None of them are forced to wear it - they're allowed to say no.

[@MrGts92]

Imagine chatting sh t and then your kid having to listen to what you've written at home.

[@CaroleAnnPearson]

Make them were a TuTu.

[@rFuzzyBearX]

Where’s O’Gammon and his pigs in blanket shaped body 😂😂😂

[@dannyquinn9128]

Where's your life?

[@kevinsmarts9953]

I'm sorry but as a Brighton fan I think the guy should have been banned for 15 games and the club docked 100 points.

[@smsheard]

There is no such thing as a far right christian. You either follow christ or you dont.

[@michaelcavanagh7473]

Correct. Far right beliefs are totally opposite to true Christian beliefs.