Paul Brand wonders if Pride has become too political in recent years | LBC

Paul Brand discusses with callers whether pride has become more political this year.
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[@ThomasKing19933]

Don't let culture wars distract you from the damage the Tories have done to this country.

[@nathanfurnival8724]

They are still mopping up the mess after the last labour government

[@deanromanado5850]

​@@Boyhowdy875 The only perverted groomers I have ever seen is from the clergy. Why don't you start by attacking religion?

[@johnnymonoxide9220]

You may ignore reality but it won't ignore you.

[@poguemahone5476]

We're in a class war. Culture war is a distraction to divide us.

[@ThomasKing19933]

​@@johnnymonoxide9220I'm not ignoring reality I'm pointing it out.

[@crx1894]

5 seconds in and they said they “don’t think about pride” before proceeding to rant for 3 mins about what they think about it 😂

[@senken12]

It's always the people that say they don't care that get the most upset over a topic

[@PpPp-ku4sy]

They don't think about it until it's forced on them. So it's a true statement.

[@solentforest]

@@PpPp-ku4sy you should have finished your sentence after the first 3 words! Please do explain how it's been forced down their throat other than by snowflakes kicking up a moral panic out of nothing.

[@fazziebear]

@@PpPp-ku4syyawn

[@johnny141093]

If you're worried about predators being in women's spaces, you're worried about predators, not trans people

[@Angelic_Storm]

Transphobes want us all to buy into the nefarious falsehood that trans woman and fetishistic predator are synonymous terms.

[@karinmartinazimmer2463]

That is so true.

[@sisuguillam5109]

Exactly.

[@dreamcoyote]

Yep. Go before a crowd of people, you almost certainly wouldn't have a single one say they had been sexually assaulted by a trans person. Then consider how many women in that crowd have been sexually assaulted by heterosexual men. Something 1 in 6.. before they are even 18 :(

[@johnny141093]

@@chrisj9700 no I wouldn't - but what I would advocate for is gender neutral bathrooms i.e. self-contained cubicles for everyone Does the same apply to trans men (what you would call biological women)? Are trans men safe in men's toilets? Or would it be better to have gender neutral spaces?

[@IntoTheWeeds71]

The second caller saying "she's allowed an opinion, and I'm not"... You are quite literally on a public platform to have your opinion broadcasted. If people are angry at you for what you say, that is not oppression, that's a consequence.

[@TheRogueDM]

Yeah she talked for 10 minutes with no push-back and then the presenter read out a 10-second tweet. The cognitive dissonance is staggering.

[@aden-leehallam1714]

It's not a lifestyle. I didn't choose to be a crime in 67 different countries. Don't like it? Deal with it. We've had to put up with a lot worse for centuries.

[@PhantomPanda1992]

"Deal with it" dear oh dear

[@andrewrobinson2565]

My wife and I are 62 and allies in the tolerance, acceptance, LOVE and "be all that you can be" that is 🏳️‍🌈 and 🏳️‍⚧️. Human rights are not a finite commodity. We don't travel to or spend our money ANYWHERE (country or state) which has anything less than equal human rights for all. You're not missing ANYTHING in those 67 countries Aden-Lee. Be happy ☮️❤️🇪🇺🇨🇵.

[@Kurauone__]

@@PhantomPanda1992 Yes deal with it.

[@micu1544]

Does that apply to pedophiles as well?

[@andrewrobinson2565]

@@micu1544 What? Did you mean paedophiles, Murcan 🤣?

[@danmoar94]

For centuries, they've had it rammed down their throats that they are evil and immoral for simply being something other than heterosexual and that's why normalising and celebrating their existence is so important

[@MrRoundTree903]

I remember about 200 years ago all the ale houses had hetero pride flags in June. I couldn't even buy a codpiece without someone trying to spread their straight agenda.Truly we have come far since then.

[@richard-gn3es]

@@MrRoundTree903 yeah i remember this just before i died in nam.. as i died i was told to use a straight gun next time.. glad we are better now

[@PpPp-ku4sy]

Sorry bro. Its not normal

[@danmoar94]

@@PpPp-ku4sy you can be a bigot if you want, but don't call me your bro.

[@danmoar94]

@@MrRoundTree903 go and be hateful somewhere else. I haven't the time for this bullshitery.

[@michaelcoward1902]

So "love" is political, but "Hate" isn't?

[@danielcrafter9349]

Especially to a Conservative

[@Coelacanth1]

@@Boyhowdy875 Love is the fulfilment of the law.

[@chatham43]

...nice distortion...but distortion nonetheless....

[@MACKWESTERN]

BOOM..drop the mic!!

[@MsCharlieBrown78]

brilliant comment!

[@jacobgallaugher]

"When you're accustomed to privilege equality feels like oppression."

[@davetdowell]

When we get an entire month dedicated to celebrating hetro-sexuality, come talk to us again about equality.

[@JG-jc8dm]

@@davetdowell we've got 11 months already, don't be greedy.

[@jamesjarrett52]

Shut up.

[@Cilantrchef]

A fish doesn't realize it needs water to live until its taken out of it. These folks "cis gender" are under the illusion that they are top of the food chain and all others should bow to their will. It can be said about bigotry as well. Anglo-Saxon, European whites have again seen themselves as king of the jungle and everyone else is prey. They need to take a gander in the mirror.

[@SilkyMilkyOriginal]

​@@JG-jc8dm But those months do not consist of deliberately celebrating heterosexuality. Heterosexuality is the norm. You would not exist if it weren't for straight people. The reason you are here today is because of straight people.

[@jrsydvl7218]

The issue is one side is making policies based on their opinions while the other side is just trying to exist.

[@Ad-Lo]

But what about the rest of us.

[@jrsydvl7218]

@@Ad-Lo Don't worry, they'll find something to blame on the rest of us.

[@smon4164]

Is the side you are referring to that is supposedly making policies based on their opinions the lgtb community?

[@brentoncarter4275]

​@@jrsydvl7218reactionary to the core.

[@elcristoph7380]

@@brentoncarter4275 and? I think some the IGBT community forgets it exists at the sympathy of the rest of us. That can change pretty quickly as reactionary movements are prone to.

[@richardhall485]

I do a little smirk everytime someone says "ramming it down out throats" 😂

[@jase_allen]

I aways want to ask if they at least got dinner and a show before hand.

[@chriswilkinson7636]

Surely they are doing it deliberately when they say it?😂😂

[@monkeyman4556]

Sounds like your telling us straights to accept you which we do. But the religion of peace don't they really don't with a passion. Maybe it's not us you should ram it down our throats.

[@Greenpoloboy3]

I need that expression explained to me. :/

[@PH5221]

​@Greenpoloboy3 Essentially means they feel they're under attack and this movement is being forced on them, consumption without consent.

[@simongoodwin926]

Bigotry is bigotry. When you hear ' I'm not ... but', that means they are. Say whatever you want, but don't be surprised that many of us have had enough of prejudice!

[@harrismazari5484]

I am not black but I am a person of colour

[@GrahamChapman]

I'm not a homophobe, but I think the callers up there in the video above us might've been... homophobes, I mean... Sorry, just had to test your thesis... Most of the time when you encounter the phrase in the wild, it's probably true though. Same as "I don't wanna sound ... but" and "I'm all for human rights, but" being indicative of coprolitic people.

[@simongoodwin926]

@GrahamChapman It's just a shame people can't just get a life and try and be concerned about something that's important. The scurge of privately owned media, and their evil agenda is behind all of this. That's what needs to change.

[@GrahamChapman]

@@simongoodwin926 Agreed. As things stand, with the climate breakdown, rise in international christo-fascism, corporatism, privatisation, war and prisons for profit, misery, famine, etc, society has basically turned into a car going 200 mph towards a 20-by-20 ft block of solid iron, and the passengers are all arguing about who should sitting in what seat instead of trying to avert everyone's demise.

[@DrLukeHart]

“Everything you hear before the word but is a lie”

[@thedivinemrm5832]

The first two callers are why "Pride is still important" personified .

[@thedivinemrm5832]

@@Boyhowdy875 No, the REAL question is why do you think we should still live in shame?

[@sisuguillam5109]

​@@Boyhowdy875 seriously?

[@danielcrafter9349]

​@@Boyhowdy875- Uno reverse! What are YOU proud of, homophobe?

[@sisuguillam5109]

​@@thedivinemrm5832 well said! Happy Pride!

[@jamieakahenry]

​@@Boyhowdy875Coming terms with people's hatred. Getting shouted abuse for no reason. Getting beaten up. I could name a few. We don't have pride, it's telling us to hold your head up high.

[@annar7625]

Why is everything a zero-sum game? How are my rights as a heterosexual /cisgender woman in any way diminished by the rights given to transgender women? I just do not understand.

[@Coelacanth1]

It's about zero sum-ism because the overtly political and often well funded cheer leaders are demanding zero sum-ism for you see, there's got to be a war where folk get hurt for human rights to be lost. Us that stand to reap what the gobshites sow are are not them but we haven't got a voice.

[@brendaalonso2979]

Thank you ❤ so incredibly well said

[@Angelic_Storm]

Here, here. The bigots are trying to pull the wool, by trying to paint this as not giving trans women extra, "privileged" rights in regards to women's spaces. When in reality, this is all about rolling back trans rights, and kicking trans women out of women's spaces, which they've been able to use for decades with pretty much no issue. The current EHRC proposals is all about removing rights from trans people, not refusing to grant them extra rights. This is all about bigotry, make no mistake. Transphobes act as if trans women are a very recent phenomenon, which is another smokescreen, and falsehood.

[@marydaniel3252]

You just wait and see!! You really should do some research on how IT WILL IMPACT ALL REAL WOMEN

[@segue2ant395]

@@marydaniel3252 Or you could just tell us, instead of all the yelling? Surely it shouldn't be hard to explain

[@GrahamChapman]

"When you argue that fascists should be defeated through debate, what you're actually suggesting is that vulnerable minorities should have to endlessly argue for their right to exist and that at no point should the debate be considered over and won." -- Michael Dolan

[@elcapitan667]

Heterosexuality was ''shoved down my throat'', from about 5 years old I was encouraged to be straight..!

[@dogglebird4430]

Your parents were right, then.

[@elcapitan667]

@@dogglebird4430 Only in the tiny minds of idiotic bigots!! It was almost every heterosexual adult I met who shoved their ideology down my throat..Thankfully I have a mind of my own!

[@Coelacanth1]

Indeed for that is part of the LGBT anguish for prior to the internet age LGBT folk were forced to adopt heteronormative lifestyles to hide their true inclinations making for unhappy lives and broken families all because of societal prejudice towards LGBT folk.

[@kevinsmarts9953]

@@dogglebird4430 Far right

[@juliusbroedsgaard9124]

Dave certainly is a perfect example of, when you are privileged, equality feels like oppression.

[@nathanu6759]

Tell that to the right-wing Christians in the US 🤣

[@zed3063]

Equality? There is literally no freedom of speech when it comes to opinion about LGBTQ, it’s their way or you get cancelled and lose your livelihood. We’re living in 1984.

[@ziploc2000]

​@@nathanu6759We do, constantly.

[@Coelacanth1]

@@zed3063 You are aware aren't you when a space is an owned space, it's up the owner as to what the owner allows in that space, where here if it looks like there is going to be problems the owner of the space has the sole right to cancel what was to occur in that space. If you don't want to suffer cancellation, act with civility.

[@andymcnaughton7745]

He sounds working classs and old to me, hardly a reall representation of the gen pub

[@iffriel]

when did people disagreeing with each other turn into "you're not allowing me to have my opinion"?

[@TheRogueDM]

When a transphobe speaks.

[@lunaxquinn]

I'm willing to bet none of the callers have ever been attacked or threatened by a trans woman in a public bathroom or anywhere for that matter....

[@davidatkinson5858]

And I'm willing to bet that none of them have done the same to trans people either. What's your point?

[@lunaxquinn]

@@davidatkinson5858 I have been threatened by cis women in public, granted it's mostly insecure men who do it. Furthermore i've been sexually assaulted a couple of times by cis women in public as well. Again you're objectively wrong...

[@davidatkinson5858]

@@lunaxquinn sorry I'm confused...just to be clear,you are saying you're a tran person?

[@lunaxquinn]

@@davidatkinson5858 yes

[@davidatkinson5858]

@@lunaxquinn and the fact that you have experienced people threatening you who were mostly straight and you're trans means it's different from what the majority of people on the planet have experienced at some stage because you're just special?🙄

[@sisuguillam5109]

Prise is meant to be political. It's the point of pride.

[@mollie3244]

My eyes were rolling too, I nearly fell over. Most of us straight cis women are not celebrating our hard won "rights" by trying to exclude sections of us. This "culture war" could be solved in a second if people would just mind their own fkn business.

[@Coelacanth1]

Posy Parker being a play on ' Nosey Parker '

[@thefirm4606]

This ❤❤

[@ch3rrikiss]

Exactly, even now we're being "spoken for" 🙄

[@harrismazari5484]

What I don't get is doesn't the UK have unisex toilets? Like Here in Australia we have unisex toilets everywhere.

[@nanoobis]

@@harrismazari5484 go back home.

[@oscarshedwick4862]

Pride hasn't become too political it's always been and will be political. Pride began and is still a riot

[@JRHainsworth]

I miss when Pride wasn't political, like at Stonewall.

[@markwelch3564]

It could stop being political, the moment nobody questions equal rights If the people moaning about 'politicisation' want the 'politicisation' to stop, just stop hating people. Totally in their hands 😉

[@AvianRap]

@@Turtlehead-hy9zo 😢

[@chloelayla017]

@AntiWoke So tough for you. How do you cope??? 🤣

[@BritAltie]

@AntiWoke How dreadful for you. I feel so awfully bad, next rainbows will show in the sky when it's sunny and rains and you'll be forced to LOOK at it 🙄

[@brendaalonso2979]

You cannot “both sides” this argument, first and foremost the rights of trans people to be able to exist safely is not a debate. The facts bare out that there are no widespread instances of trans people committing any crimes in restrooms, and to Kaite’s point Pride was a protest and you cannot cede ground to these bigots who are actively trying to erase our existence. I’m in the US where over 500 anti trans bills exist, and sadly I live in FL where after 40 years of being here I no longer feel safe. To say this is a debate is to act as if trans people should not have basic human rights and instead we should give credence to whatever nonsense the right wing throws to justify their bigotry

[@gordonstrong5232]

You're in Florida? My condolences. Stay safe friend.

[@brendaalonso2979]

@@gordonstrong5232 thank you ❤️ trying to get out of here asap 😔

[@Jill-K]

I think it's time to get out of Florida and protect yourself. The LGBTQ+ community are the scapegoat to take the eye off what they are really doing. I wish you luck.

[@head_cha_la_ART]

Totally with you Brenda. Our existence is not a debate. We are real people, and I don't appreciate people telling me that I'm not allowed to be the person that I am, and they know best etc.

[@stevilburgess135]

@@brendaalonso2979 move to AUSTRALIA honestly 99% of people don't care here trans people are happy and open every where . I'm from new Zealand .

[@infidelcastro5129]

If I had a quid for every time this bloke has said “Why is their no straight pride?” Or “All lives matter”, I suspect I’d be rather more well off than I currently am.

[@Coelacanth1]

There is no straight pride because straight folk don't organise such events

[@maximuschung2076]

Do all lives not matter then ?

[@garywilton246]

If id a quid for eveytime a uni student showed their intelligence by not using there properly, or throwing THEIR toys out of THEIR pram when someone offers an opinion they do not agree with id be elon musk...

[@technodiscofool]

@@garywilton246 *complains about grammar whilst employing an incorrect usage of grammar*

[@garywilton246]

@@technodiscofool whats incorrect?

[@robspereall8203]

Dave is the same anti-EU caller that spouted yet more unbelievable nonsense on Lewis Goodall's show!

[@chatham43]

....thanks for clearing that up ....for anyone who's interested Rob....😊

[@lukaszzaremba7642]

Oh, I am not alone in that feeling

[@DianeD862]

And he’s Welsh I’am sick of them

[@brendaalonso2979]

Wanted to add how the bathroom bans that are occurring here in the US have led to videos of cisgender women being harassed for “not looking female enough” there is literally a video that went viral of a woman who happens to wear more masculine presenting clothes and she was physically removed by police from a women’s restroom all while they shouted “sir” at her. To the second caller, where would you like trans men to go when it comes to using the restroom? Because if you had your way than trans men (for those who don’t know these are men who were assigned female at birth and transitioned to men) would be in the restroom with women and in trying to exclude trans women and to further marginalize us you will have succeeded in allowing men into women’s spaces. Make no mistake about it an attack on trans women and the trans community in general is an attack on all women

[@axeavier]

And to add to that, all the attacks in washrooms in the US of people who were accused of being trans were all cis people, none were trans. There is no barrier stopping men from entering a woman's washroom.

[@Ad-Lo]

No it’s not. Because there are only two genders and that is male and female. Transgenderism is a gender expression. Trans men should use unisex bathrooms alongside trans women. Women’s bathrooms and spaces are for biological females. As are prisons and other protected and safe spaces.

[@harrynewman211]

Thats the crazy thing these entitled idiots are happy to accept thst Transmen can use toilets basrd on gender identity but totally exclude transwomen/Non bibsry its genuinely a disgrace . My biggest opposition with these so called feminists is ghst they say about womens rights being eroded and yet vote to ban access to abortion clinics. I meam they gine with controlling them when it comes to birth but once its born . Its bsically labelled anf segregated like apartied . Honestly makes my blood bpil (As a Transwomen)

[@mollie3244]

Exactly Brenda, I feel like if I was a trans man I would spend my time hanging around "the ladies" toilets all my fkn spare time. I'm not one to back away from a row when I know I'm right ;). Don't let the b****ts drag you down, every single one us with with more than two brain cells to rub together stands with you and wishes you only the best.

[@Rainlights13]

indeed the conversation seems so set on trans women that people tend to forget that there are quite a few trans men out there who are making the most of their newfound ability to be EXTREMELY hairy and burly, and that they would be pushed unwillingly into womens spaces, and we're supposed to believe that the same people as always wouldn't complain?

[@willowisaperson2807]

"has pride become too political" IT WAS LITERALLY A PROTEST

[@cyeamaculture8486]

"rammed down my throat ' ... sounds like wishful thinking to me 😂😂

[@anthonymaughan6103]

Magic 😂

[@futon2345]

Why do they all use this exact verbiage?

[@matthewweir3786]

It's always 'rammed down my throat' or 'rubbed in my face' with this lot, isn't it? 👀👀👀

[@anthonymaughan6103]

@@futon2345 It's definitely a mystery fella👍

[@sisuguillam5109]

​@@futon2345 projection?

[@JRHainsworth]

If you say you're "on the fence" between a minority who want rights, and a far right group who want them gone from society, I have some bad news for you about your actual position.

[@MoontownMoss]

Well said

[@brandynbeverly9401]

​@ImRight2023 but enough about you.

[@trytellingthetruth.2068]

Why is someone "far right", because they don't go along with your lifestyle?

[@JRHainsworth]

@@Boyhowdy875 “Transgenderism must be eradicated from society entirely” - Micheal Knowles to a crowd of cheering fans.

[@sisuguillam5109]

​@@Boyhowdy875 you just proved their point.

[@Rainy_x]

"That's very small minded of that woman to call me a TERF." - Woman literally spouting trans-exclusionary feminism.

[@stevenmoore120]

She really didn't. Many women don't feel safe having 6ft, broad shouldered Brian following them into the bathroom/changing room. Whether they wear a dress or not doesn't make a difference. Have them get their own spaces and stop leaving women to deal with the fallout as per.

[@TheRogueDM]

@@stevenmoore120 There are plenty of broad-shouldered 6ft tall cis women you plonker.

[@Rainy_x]

@@stevenmoore120 Do you think 6ft cis women who are masculine presenting should be allowed in womens bathrooms, or would that erode the rights of the other women? Should we check? Should we ensure women have the best privacy possible by posting a genital inspector outside every bathroom? You're not fooling anyone, you don't care about women's rights - you just hate trans people. Bigots always frame their bigotry and a "defence" of something, because otherwise everyone can see how petty and hateful they actually are.

[@seanpatrick1243]

This guy has never had a mate who bragged about his heterosexual conquests?

[@LorraineTapper]

That woman who talked about giving away women's rights. She does know rights are not cake? Everyone can have their rights acknowledged without it affecting any other group.

[@philcal2000]

A hundred years we swam at the beach fully clothed , it was religion that imposed that on us and its religious beliefs that still holding us back to this day...

[@MsCharlieBrown78]

The second caller.. if she knows how hard women fought for rights, then she should be able to understand the plights that other groups must go through.

[@bananaz572171]

Right!

[@Coelacanth1]

It is a frailty of mankind and part of what causes society to stagnate that the oppressed once elevated become the oppressors

[@abikt1782]

I feel sorry for older generation, some of them don't understand what the LGTBQ citizens have gone through for hundreds of years. They've been persecuted to the rafters. Give them their month, give them a freaking century. They deserve it. ❤

[@Victoria-wz9ub]

A freaking century? Wow, you are a true warrior 😂

[@DGCritico]

Is this like the 200years of slavery argument? that 99% have never experienced

[@randomuser4201]

What an ill informed man, he can take his bigoted views with him.

[@allanspraggon7207]

Odd, I had "men are tough guys and super heroes" shoved down my throat through the 80's as a child and never got as pearl clutchy as those with the caller's view. Do people forget that we always have something being shoved down our throats from various media (TV, films, news, radio, societal norms) so why the issue on this one section? Is that just confirmation of a bigotry? (I'm sure we all have some form of bigotry in our opinions, aware or not).

[@FourLightsOfficial]

Was it based on s-xualET though?

[@kristenbridson7567]

Straight Men quietly go about being straight …. I think 97% will tell you that’s not true from first hand experience 💔

[@temptemp4174]

Does that mean you're now single or something?

[@ai-d2121]

I get the heterosexuals life style rammed in my throat since I was born. People are so narrowminded and seem to look for the negative narrative all the time rather than simply accept the world and its diversity. But people have to grow up apparantly.

[@gretareinarsson7461]

Yes “rammed down” just like heterosexuality was back in the days and still is in many ways and in most countries

[@mollie3244]

Lol, "they" have too much representation now. I mean, when do you ever see straight, cis males on the tv or the radio these days. I'm starting to think they don't exist anymore.

[@Coelacanth1]

@@mollie3244 Then blame the producers not the actors.

[@dreamcoyote]

@@mollie3244 I get that you are exaggerating, but seriously... This is one of those times in history. Our generation could be the one where more people are treated with equality and respect. Yes, there will be some ebb and flow in media. We could end discrimination in our lifetimes but a lot of people are whining about having to "deal with it" :(

[@mollie3244]

@@dreamcoyote So ya, I agree about the media. Mostly the both sides argument. Makes me want to scream. So what do we do about it?

[@dreamcoyote]

​@@mollie3244 "Do about it"? You watch what you want to watch. No one is forcing you to. You get over yourself. There are aspects of modern media that I get sick of. I move on. There's more to living life than letting a fictional character on some show bug you. For some viewers, the ones who complain about some character being different than their group, certain groups have been the core and vast extent of media content for as long as it's been around. Not all media is meant to be approved or loved by you. If other people enjoy it, are inspired by it, feel included by it, let them?

[@dextercool]

LBC is just therapy for gammons at this point.

[@BadlydrawnBen]

Yes it is because it proves that they are right

[@MrRailjunkie]

​@@BadlydrawnBengammon are always wrong

[@tomthomas3975]

LBC = Learning Bigoted Concerns

[@BadlydrawnBen]

@@MrRailjunkie go on then humour me make a list

[@MrRailjunkie]

@BadlydrawnBen They were wrong about Brexit, wrong about Boris Johnson, wrong about the left, wrong about asylum seekers & wrong about politics in general but they've got plenty of representation in parliament.

[@lunaxquinn]

I live in a country where the government encourages members of the public to attack trans women and hate crimes on the rise, and i'm infringing on your rights by wanting to use a womens bathroom instead of going into the mens where there's no eye witnesses, only one entrance and exit, and when i have no legal protection in the law, but i'm the bad person.... afaik women never had to fight for having womens bathrooms.... that's not feminism...

[@davidatkinson5858]

Wow that's literally unbelievable....are you Iranian or Afghan? African maybe?....which country is that? And how many people have been killed so far there because they were tran?

[@TheRogueDM]

@@davidatkinson5858 How very presumptuous of you. A trans person in the UK was murdered several weeks ago for being trans...

[@Twy87]

I somehow doubt Dave "gets up" to very much these days.

[@JRHainsworth]

Except kids, knowing that side of the isle.

[@franklingoodwin]

You could be right. He phoned in twice in one day

[@leeharvey4270]

Well it’s either phone in or complain to the council about those pesky kids across the street with their football games and hippy hoppy and boogy woogy music! 👴🏼 (shakes walking stick at window!!)

[@hazrover]

Dave sounds like he's been reanimated.

[@yanapostrophe4331]

He doesn’t want kids to be castrated, sounds like a sound bloke.

[@platinumnitrocharge4218]

Did you hear that? right at the start, caller refers to "100 sexes" (not a thing), and Paul replies with "100 genders". Even Paul is conflating the two by quietly correcting him. This is the problem. Also if you're genuinely concerned about someone ramming "gayness" down your throat, you might have to do some soul searching.

[@dean9235]

What the lady fails to think about is that trans women on hormones have very little male hormones left and are not sexually driven. Most trans women happily use disabled toilets and don't want to make a fuss.

[@itsathay]

I don't understand how someone getting rights = taking someone else's right. It's ridiculous.

[@jasonswan7646]

The second caller defending the likes of Posie Parker who knowingly and repeatedly platformed nazis just shows the kind of people on one side of the trans debate, disgusting.

[@insertname2035]

Nothing funnier than white men trying to call others nazis 😂

[@NoContextRDH]

Why do you have an obsession with calling others nazis? Nazis haven’t existed since 1945

[@TheAArmstrong]

Literal nazi’s?? I’m guessing centre right wing then…

[@NoContextRDH]

@2Blueses of course they do but no Neo Nazis we’re platformed

[@AnnaP-uh3mc]

I am so sick of TERFS trying to frame their anti-trans bigotry as a women’s rights issue and acting like they speak on behalf of all of us cis women. I went to protest one of Posie’s hate-rallies and there were hundreds more women counter protesting than there were on the GC side.

[@adrianguinn3331]

why do so many sheltered bigots say they "arent allowed an opinion"? Yes you are. Speak it. And then others will say what you just said is bigoted. That doesnt mean you aren't allowed to say it. You just arent allowed to say it without challenge. Seems like a pretty decent deal to me 🤷🏻

[@Khalkara]

Because they are cowards. They live with a perpetual victim complex as to draw validation for their ignorant beliefs by virtue of people disagreeing with them. This is the case with all reactionaries.

[@leeharvey4270]

May be showing my ignorance here but what rights are being taken away by trans people?!

[@Coelacanth1]

The rights the anti trans activists say are being taken away, of which of course are not the truth but it's not unlawful to tell lies.

[@tonycowin]

None.

[@nocash7550]

Posy Parker is a far-right grifter, which is why she is often challenged to defend her toxic opinions in public. Just saying. Happy Pride Month BTW.

[@Coelacanth1]

As the saying goes, follow the money, to inquire of how much is she and others similar are making out of this and who is putting up the cash, for sure they won't be doing it for free.

[@markhoney3044]

Funded by far right groups trying to abolish abortion, she's actually fighting against women's rights

[@laurenjones2909]

How is a women who stands for womens rights classed as far right 😂

[@nocash7550]

@@laurenjones2909 well, she ain't no TERF because she's an anti-choice, "pro-life" Christian - Nationalist, right? ... hardly "rad-fem" now is it, chick.

[@zoranblackie5921]

@@Coelacanth1 Exactly... follow the money

[@KingUSMCO]

please explain to the boomers that they have block buttons and off buttons if they dont want to hear from certain people. most media even has a snooze for a month button.

[@KingUSMCO]

@@Boyhowdy875 im proud of the fact people like you are so upset over equal rights. if they are grooming now you are openly admitting its what youve been doing for decades. also its not grooming because words have meanings. they dont operate off your feelings

[@sisuguillam5109]

​@@Boyhowdy875 you okay?

[@danielcrafter9349]

​@@Boyhowdy875- so... you, yeah? Conservatives are MUCH more likely to Groomers... mainly cos LGBTQ is less than 5% of the population! Lies is literally all you know, eh?

[@RAMBOIT.]

​@@Boyhowdy875 you leave children alone groomer

[@andrewrobinson2565]

​@@Boyhowdy875 Do you copy/paste that line often? 🤣🤣🤣

[@gordonstrong5232]

Happy Pride month folks 🌈

[@chatham43]

...what about the remainng 11 months then Gordon.....?

[@gordonstrong5232]

​@@chatham43 I hope they're all happy for you too fella 🌈

[@sisuguillam5109]

And to you!

[@sisuguillam5109]

@@nanoobis maybe you should see a doctor about that? Reacting to people affirming their human rights is not healty.

[@thegreatODEN1]

And... He sounds exactly how you'd expect.

[@chatham43]

...how does he sound....working class...?

[@rarsebumbaclaat2659]

I dont know which group will be next to be demonised , but every minority group has their turn to hated 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@alistairrae9807]

My guess is people with disabilities are next

[@danielcrafter9349]

​@@Boyhowdy875- you tell us, big boy! 😂😂😂

[@Coelacanth1]

Well whatever group is to get it next they must fulfil certain criteria of which includes the fact that they must be small and weak enough to have zero physical or political clout and they must be largely misunderstood by the larger population, where the media will step in to tell that larger population all about the group to be targetted.

[@gordonstrong5232]

​@@Boyhowdy875 Name one European country where the indigenous peoples are minorities. I'll wait.

[@mollie3244]

@@Coelacanth1 I don't know about that, I mean teachers are getting it in the neck in the US. Fkn teachers and doctors. None of us are safe from these ignorant, interfering lunatics

[@kimmieutsunomiya1457]

I’m not “ramming” my lifestyle down anyones throat, if anything that’s what these callers do to people like me. They have proven why pride is necessary.

[@Coelacanth1]

If they wish for us not to be prideful they need to stop causing us to live in shame.

[@yanapostrophe4331]

No one is causing you to live in shame, we just don’t want some drag queen reading books to children, centralising the idea of sexualities to kids who don’t even know what they had for breakfast.

[@holdontoyourwig]

A whole month ?

[@Coelacanth1]

@@yanapostrophe4331 If you don't want drag queens reading books to children is all you want why are trans women of whom are not drag queens subjected to such hatred? You understand don't you drag queens reside in the category of cross dresser more than they do trans.

[@binghamguevara6814]

LGBTQIA logic.

[@devi2691]

i wish Paul Brand would have called this woman on her opinions. cos a lot of them are.. slightly unhinged.

[@Coelacanth1]

The way these 'inquisitors ' play it is they encourage callers to out themselves before the court of public opinion.

[@devi2691]

@@Coelacanth1 give anyone enough rope and they'll happily dangle.

[@opinion3742]

I don't feel safe around conservatives. Can we keep them out of human being spaces?

[@Fredric_Cedrich]

WHY DOES NOBODY EVER ASK WHAT RIGHTS THEY’RE LOSING!?

[@unprofessionallyamateur6354]

The classic “both sides” issue of do minorities have too many rights? 🤡

[@AithlynC]

There she goes defending an absolute cynical shill like Posie Parker. 😂 If you just want women's concerns to be heard rather than trans women being dunked on, Posie Parker is not who you will be listening to. So I get where the lady who called her nasty - because she has heard all these talking points and she knows who Posie Parker is - is coming from.

[@DannyHodge95]

Never seen this guy, but very impressed at his ability to get callers to feel comfortable saying these things. We need to hear what people, especially the people that don't get involved in the conversation online, actually think.

[@johnnypatterson7512]

Well the corrupt lifestyle of the Tories is being rammed down everyone's throats.

[@lafreeman4558]

Lol too political?? Pride was political from the very beginning. It was always political. The LGBT community had to fight for every single tiny piece of legislation.

[@miketemple876]

I think there should be a maximum age for people who are allowed to phone in to these kind of shows because its often really confused and frightened old men who just stay indoors and have the mail delivered to them.

[@Warbaman]

Pride marches arent really much different from d day marches. Theyre both to celebrate overcoming intolerance

[@pkjones5263]

Cognitive decline is truly a horrible condition.

[@chatham43]

....sorry to hear about your condition.

[@batcollins3714]

If he thinks the Pride lifestyle is being rammed down his throat then he should keep his mouth shut.

[@AKHill-gj2uy]

Has an event designed to promote the rights of a minority group become too political?! ... 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@YFNA1978]

Human beings are not political.

[@uqs57bju]

You just made a political statement. You are a human being. In other words. Your statement is wrong.

[@nathanu6759]

⁠@@uqs57bjuyour logic is faulty and wrong If X = Y and Y=Z, it doesn’t also mean that X=Z

[@ablacknambercat]

Politics come from politicus latin for citizen. Literaly humans are political.

[@YFNA1978]

@@ablacknambercat I think your use of " literal " might be as poor as your attempt using semantics to make people pawns. A human is still a human without being a citizen.

[@jo3ld0wn]

​@@nathanu6759 I'd be interested in seeing your workings for that claim about x,y and z

[@David-le7jy]

I didn't realise Paul Brand is on LBC. Top bloke!!

[@mavisdavies9769]

I’ve never heard a trans person say there’s 100 genders, that’s a far right dog whistle. Thanks for attributing it to our community though, Matt Walsh would be incredibly grateful to you for this.

[@deanolium]

The closest I can think of are people saying how some cultures used to have a whole range of genders before the West 'forced' them to our two gender system. Though I don't think any of these went to 100 genders and really in most of those cases, it's about different ideas of gender than our modern usage. So yeah, very much a right wing dog whistle point.

[@kimmieutsunomiya1457]

There’s actually 72 official ones recognised by the EU, it’s the far right morons that keeping making up these thousands of gender identities that they claim exists and then project that onto us

[@Coelacanth1]

The Torah ( Jewish book of law) contains reference to six recognised genders

[@yanapostrophe4331]

There are 2 genders. Did I really need to clear that up?

[@lemongrabloids3103]

I was in M&S toilets (womens) the other day and there was and there was a male janitor in there wiping down the sinks… nobody cared, he was just in there doing his business not bothering anyone. If men wanted to get into the womens toilets couldn’t they dress as a janitor?

[@franklingoodwin]

I have a feeling Dave has a lot of time on his hands. Did he phone in twice yesterday? He was banging on about the EU yesterday as well

[@Coelacanth1]

Perhaps he's lonely

[@bowdencable7094]

I _thought_ that was the same guy!

[@franklingoodwin]

@@bowdencable7094 Both called Dave and are Welsh. Unless two different older Welsh guys called Dave phoned in...

[@inesarif8497]

He also sounds old. So old generation a lot of them still think the same way

[@franklingoodwin]

@@inesarif8497 I know. Most don't phone up LBC twice in the same day to mosn though 😂

[@kappaslapper14]

Is weird that a conversation that only talks about 0.5% is everywhere in the media at the moment especially when in the UK things like mental health and knife crime get very little air time in comparison .

[@Gumpster07]

Both of these subjects you mention get quite a lot of air time. Mental health especially.

[@airfixx_8952]

It's also 5%; not 0.5%.

[@airfixx_8952]

p.s."Everywhere" vs "Very little"...... Be honest KappA.... You're just lying.

[@birdamatic2691]

Is there an actual, documented instance of someone posing as trans that attacked someone in a lavatory/change room? The fear people have of this scenario is fascinating.

[@deseydoc]

Besides the fact there is no evidence trans women are any threat at all, two other major questions, 1)what is to stop male predators just walking into women’s bathrooms and 2)how are they going to police banning trans women from women’s bathrooms. Should every bathroom in the country have a bouncer asking for ID to enter. These whole debate is beyond ridiculous

[@thequeenofspades]

I would love to hear from that second caller why trans folks getting rights is removing her rights.

[@tommyahearn9177]

I was thinking the same thing just one example of which rights woman have that transgender people are taking away from her. That’s why she was a horrible person because she was LYING from the very start, and her whole whining game was based off of that lie.

[@Strider91]

Then listen. . .

[@Coelacanth1]

@@tommyahearn9177 As James O'Brien says, contempt for the conman, compassion for the conned.

[@franklingoodwin]

She's a Feminist. I'm wondering when people like her think women will have enough that they can allow another oppressed group to be less oppressed. You'd think they'd have more empathy...

[@davidatkinson5858]

What rights do they need that they don't already have then?..

[@user-dr6eh6jn2t]

This is what you'll be worrying about, as your rights and standards of living are eroded away.

[@jase_allen]

It's not a pie. Equality for the LGBT doesn't mean less equality for you.

[@user-dr6eh6jn2t]

@@jase_allen Not my point. My point is that news and public discourse will be focussed on who uses what bathroom, while your right to protest is withdrawn and the vampire charlatans you've elected bleed your country dry.

[@LiveDonkeyDeadLion]

Everything he is saying is something my dad says a lot. My dad reads the daily mail

[@gordonstrong5232]

My condolences

[@chatham43]

....and has every right to do so...we live in a democracy don't ya know...sorry to bring you such bad news...😊

[@head_cha_la_ART]

@@chatham43 ...you can take your sarcasm elsewhere... its not needed or helpful in anyway...

[@christinac127]

@@chatham43 Of course he does... it's just so a terribly sad he is so afflicted as to want to... or to believe anything published in it.

[@dean9235]

Figures 😂

[@MrChipz900]

Id encourage people to look at the data on hate crimes and how they spike during periods of economic challenges.

[@Coelacanth1]

And that victimising minorities does not solve economic challenges, but can remove human rights,

[@daviniarobbins9298]

Jan, I am a non binary trans fem person, what bathroom am I supposed to use? If I go into the men's I risk getting attacked, same if I go into the women's. The only bathroom I can feel safe going into is the disabled toilet but then I feel guilty because I am not disabled(not visibly anyway). Trans women have been using women's toilets for decades with no issues. If anyone is attacked it is the trans person or a cis gendered woman that doesn't look "women" enough. All this anti trans women hate hurts all women in the long run. Great, yes, women fought hard for their rights. Trans women want the same rights but they get attacked for fighting for said rights. You deny trans women rights and it will end up putting women's rights back a 100 years. Posy Parker is not a friend of women. Already, last week a bigoted man accused a 9 year old girl of being a boy at a track and field event. Biological woman. That is such a loaded term. By the way you transphobes can't tell a trans woman from a cis woman.

[@Warbaman]

"We fought very long and hard for our rights"... so YOU cant have them!

[@Coelacanth1]

Little does this person know it wasn't just women that fought for women's rights, but it would appear her lack of knowledge would have her rejecting alliance when the time comes - and it's coming

[@bones007able]

In America ... companies and corporations celebrate it strictly for the capitalistic side of it...otherwise I think they could care less .. it is a figure on a chart to them...

[@misssummersalt]

It's not great support but it's better than none at all!

[@Coelacanth1]

Its also the future for the big brands have done their homework to know what the future holds in terms of their sales and the future definitely is the colour of the rainbow.

[@ziploc2000]

When you've had things your way all your life, anyone else having their rights acknowledged feels like your rights are being infringed upon. In truth we can all have equal rights, it's not a zero-sum game.

[@GrahamChapman]

Personally, I'd say that it's the opposite of a zero-sum game... But I'm also all too aware of the fact that many people (mostly really rich people at that) are opposed to proper equality _precisely because_ it is not a zero-sum game...

[@whowherewhatwhywen]

That woman sounds very angry, for somebody who's not angry. She should be less upset with trans people and more upset with the fact that women have not gained as many rights as she thinks they have.

[@Coelacanth1]

The stated target of modern day Fascism is the destruction of Feminism

[@TheRogueDM]

The Nazis learnt a while ago that they have to dress their views up in civil language and "legitimate" "concerns" to be accepted into modern society.

[@carrias1]

First they came for the trans people, but…

[@Coelacanth1]

Quite. Abortion rights is next on the agenda

[@davidatkinson5858]

Lol Waaghhh 😵 who is "coming for trans people" how ? and when \where?

[@carrias1]

@@Coelacanth1 along with disabled people and trade unions (don’t worry about them being grouped together for targeting at all)

[@carrias1]

@@davidatkinson5858 pay attention man, it’s all the government and right wing press want to talk about - denying them healthcare and access to public spaces, making them super scary, Etc

[@Coelacanth1]

@@carrias1 Do you remember Prime Minister Cameron's Welfare Reform programme, when the media whipped up societal hatred for the disabled, for many attacks to occur, well it was during that time that I was unfortunately just out of sight in a public space attacked for being disabled. To remember the anger of my attacker and the words he used in his attack all of which could be found as headlines in newspapers to there take an interest in what role the media plays in the construction and propagation of moral panics. And the same is happening again with trans women the abusers are repeating newspaper constructed tropes. And yes I am aware of what the right wing government is doing to Trade Unions and more besides.

[@lunaxquinn]

Considering suella braverman is personally overriding trans women's GRC's to move them from female prisons to mens prisons and doing the same for every trans woman who enters the legal system is certainly doesn't sound like we have more rights....

[@davidatkinson5858]

That's because when you go to prison for breaking the law you automatically get to lose your right to dictate what happens to you a large extent and you deserve it 😵

[@NTVT1999]

@@davidatkinson5858 so women should be thrown in men’s prisons as punishment too then? You lose your right to decide how others treat you, after all! Why is this something we’re meant to celebrate? Sounds heinous.

[@teopilatocox626]

This caller is very much the "I don't care if you're xyz so long as I don't have to know about it" type, eh?

[@davidatkinson5858]

That's how an equal society works you dribbling Muppet....you do what you want and so do I 🙄 nobody cares if you don't try and make them participate in your life

[@markwelch3564]

"I just want everyone to live their own lives quietly, and I'll call a national radio station to tell everyone why I think this" 🤔

[@davidatkinson5858]

@@markwelch3564 yeah why would anyone want to voice their opinions on a radio call in show? 😵it's almost nonsensical!

[@hephaestion12]

I clicked on this video for the click bait title... In what sense is pride not political? There was a riot? Of course its political

[@blueshirtman8875]

Dave worries too much about how other people live their lives. The man is a dinosaur.

[@claudiusignatiusalexander5437]

"More representation, more rights on everything"...i mean that tends to happen if you haven't had that representation or protection in the first instance. Im not from the LGBTQ community, and I do have scruples with some things, but basic human rights and representation is not exactly 'ramming down the throat' is it lol. Wonder what his thoughts were when people from the African diaspora, or the Asian community started appearing more on television, film, and sport. Is it not natural for society to have some reflection in media etc

[@RavenGlenn]

What do you think about pride? "I don't really. But here is a bunch of talking points I heard on conservative media that are horribly misinformed!"

[@phillydavison]

Why does this caller get so bothered by this to ring into a radio show about it lol

[@Coelacanth1]

Loneliness I would suspect

[@aesclap21]

I want hard data on the astronomical rise in trans-women on cis-women crime that justifies that woman’s position^^

[@chloelayla017]

You ask clickbait questions, you get clickbait, prejudiced answers. My anger isn't with these bigots as much as it is with LBC for enabling their bigotry.

[@Coelacanth1]

So you're for the silencing of opinion you find distasteful? I am more of the thought the bigoted given a platform actually undo themselves.

[@TheRogueDM]

@@Coelacanth1 If you listen to Paul's remarks while Jan is talking you'll see that unless you directly call out and break down the rhetoric as to what it actually means, they cannot undo themselves. He even says to some extent he agrees with her FFS.

[@Rainy_x]

Unbelievable patience from Paul on this - extremely well handled bigots.

[@ShatteredMirror]

'Has Pride become too political in recent years?' is an absolute nonsense question, as nonsense as asking if water has become too wet in recent years. Pride has ALWAYS been political.

[@joncoda365]

Wow. I hope I'm not so easily frightened by changes in society when I'm in my rocking chair, if I'm lucky enough to reach such an advanced age.

[@Coelacanth1]

To observe progress is to be proud of one's part in it

[@TheDaskell]

I really like this commentator, he has a really nice way about him.

[@reddirtuk]

Pride has become less political, now no more than a corporate jamboree.

[@Loakers]

"...Straight people are quietly straight..." Is my new go-to LOL moment when I need a cheering up.

[@blandoatmeal1273]

As a straight man I have met many overtly straight men