James O'Brien caller wrote his dissertation on 'incel' culture

[@GWills-ys6rd]

The worst recent thing to happen to humanity is reckless and damaging digital algorithms within social media and other applications.

[@LoveProWrestling]

Amplifying every problem, and worse interlinking them.

[@Rothargar]

Fair yeah but the same algorithm led us here

[@missrachael1709]

@@Rothargar Fair call.

[@benbraim9710]

I was a University lecturer and tutor and I must say, if this young man was one of my tutees, I'd be very proud of him. Excellent work!

[@skizz741]

being a university lecturer in 2023 is a wasted opportunity for your life how much do you personaly teach about debt / credit cards / inflation / risks?# i could youtube your entire career in about 4 days.. this is what tate teaches. bye boomer.

[@taras6806]

Likewise, actually - me in politics and philosophy. I agree with you (although I would encourage him to speak with less speed, but hey, it's radio...).

[@truckerfromreno]

Behave.

[@simoncox9689]

then you done a poor job as this guys does not know anything about these issues

[@Norfolkandchance886]

Yeah another one to make my coffee in Costa 😉

[@raindrops21_9]

This young man, Alfie, is so incredibly impressive! He's the one who needs a some sort of platform to be able to talk to the young men who are falling into these distubing traps. His parents/friends/family should be very proud.

[@Dale_The_Space_Wizard]

Just what we need, yet another brainwashed NPC with a platform to brainwash the young into the evil woke cult.

[@orchidcarpetcleaningrp6061]

Thought the same

[@alanmorrison4747]

Top g 😂

[@jrobs1133]

Not sure what job he's actually going to do with a dissertation in incels. lol

[@Dale_The_Space_Wizard]

@@jrobs1133 Probably a job in studying non-existent fantasy beings would be appropriate.

[@Maddie9185]

I couldn’t agree more with the caller that having conversations with your kids about difficult topics like sexuality needs to start early. I wasn’t as great at that but my husband was and I am thankful for that everyday because he made it easier for me. You can’t wait until your kids are teenagers.

[@TheShortie35]

Let kids be kids

[@beckyhiggins42]

@@TheShortie35 easier said than done when society and our culture doesn't allow children to just be children.

[@ikilledthemoon]

All kids really need to learn is not to consent

[@onnol917]

@@ikilledthemoon wich defeats the purpose of consent

[@joshrogers7816]

Thank you James and Alfie. A most insightful conversation and very informative.

[@Dale_The_Space_Wizard]

"insightful"!!!!!?????!!!!! There is nothing insightful to be learned when two NPCs babble on about the ideology of their vile cult.

[@DanSanders12]

I heard this as it was broadcast, and knew it would get its own clip. Alfie gave an absolutely brilliant explanation of how it starts, feeds upon and feeds the fears and loneliness of young men. This is essential listening, especially for anyone who knows and cares about boys and young men falling vulnerable to this vile culture.

[@vg2368]

So did the Taliban when describing how they recruit. Yawn. This is nothing new.

[@mariaaguadoball3407]

@@vg2368 Ooohhhh, your blasé attitude makes you sound so intelligent and sophisticated. You're definitely the coolest person on this thread.

[@MrLtia1234]

@@vg2368 Exactly - like the Taliban. So not yawn, actually very bad.

[@davidkelly790]

I've rarely heard many people use the word "grifter", that's exactly what someone like Andrew Tate is. He is doing this to take boys money, and it's working very well for him.

[@superhumantrueman]

@@skizz741 A grifter is someone who cons people out of their money. So how exactly is O'Brien a grifter?

[@capt.bart.roberts4975]

And you've burnt down your KZbin channel on more than on occasion. Hello to one of Tate's bots! 🙃

[@susanplatt5331]

@@skizz741 hi incel

[@youcantalwaysgetwhatyouwan8419]

@@skizz741 your mum is more of a grifter than o’brien.

[@chrisd5964]

@@skizz741 And I have your IP address skizz. 😊

[@bonniebirdwoman1]

Great input from this young man. As a secondary school teacher, I've noticed a big increase recently in boys of about 13-15 in particular, quoting Tate and acting in misogynist ways towards female staff and pupils. Sadly, a lot of these pupils do not have parents at home who are able or willing to talk to them in the way this caller suggests. I'm hopeful through the relationships that we build with our students that we can put an end to the influence of such hateful rhetoric by teaching our kids to be critical thinkers who will question those attitudes that seem to blame and harm or objectify others in any way.

[@evolassunglasses4673]

Liberalism and de-industrialing has destroyed the working class family unit.

[@jimcourt9164]

You would prefer all the boys at the school to be Ru Paul sorts

[@christinalloyd9566]

@@jimcourt9164 dhead.

[@daveansell1970]

@@jimcourt9164 I think the main point is that they shouldn't be bullies, and treat people with respect. I am not sure this is related to how people dress.

[@jimcourt9164]

@@christinalloyd9566 the woke always descend to verbal abuse… oh soooo quickly.

[@nick_LDN]

Incredibly intelligent analysis from the caller but I had to check if my video was playing at 1.5x speed!

[@matthorner35]

The danger of seeking advice or validation from an opportunist.

[@snsn7251]

Bingo

[@Dale_The_Space_Wizard]

Agreed. The vile opportunist O'Obrien should be banned from the radio.

[@matthorner35]

@@Dale_The_Space_Wizard have a lie down son

[@kanedNunable]

@@Dale_The_Space_Wizard snowflake

[@Warentester]

They were talking about Boris Johnson?

[@spaceo8568]

The chief reason, among many other reasons, I stopped using my FB is because I was becoming so depressed at seeing all these "great lives" of people I knew, and didn't for that matter. It wasn't motivating me to do better, it wasn't inspiring to be better or anything like that. It was making me feel bad about myself and choices I made and where I was in life and only served as a reminder of accomplishments I would never achieve even if I had no desire to do the things all these other people were doing. It was hurting me and I had to get out.

[@Kevinacharles]

Smart move. Social media should be used in moderation. I believe there are studies on the correlation of social media usage and mental health issues. Also it is worth noting that a lot of the social media grifters are conning people into believing they live glamorous lifestyles.

[@thegreyarea-WPP]

It's been a few years since I departed any form of social media and my life is so much more relaxed and happy now. I spend more time reading, taking care if those who matter most to me, and seeing the world through my own eyes and not someone else's feed. I've heard that the teenage suicide figures since social media became popularised have climbed huge amounts in direct correlation to the numbers of young people on social media, with Meta claiming that they have been putting in things to prevent this, though what measures they have taken I do not know as I am out of touch with it. Likewise, I've never had tiktok and I do not really understand why there are suddenly stories about influencers, though I only know of Andrew Tate and Logan Paul, one for his arrest in București, and the other because of a pyramid scheme game scam which has ripped people off millions of dollars. If this is what influencers amount to, I'm happy ignoring that world too.

[@corneliahanimann2173]

Last thing I heard about a correlation and actual causation between the use of social media and the development of depression is, the active and passive use of social media. If you just watch other people do better, it tends to have this effect, but engaging in conversations and bein active on a platform does not. So, if you found yourself get depressed and using your social media to feed an insecurity, you are better off deleting the account, but it's not a rule that social media causes depression. And I don't remember the paper that sipports this, but I remember this actually having a scientific basis of sorts.

[@elloowu6293]

Never look at people who have more than you. Look at the ones who have less and would give anything to have what you have. It'll put things into perspective and allow you to enjoy what have and build off it.

[@Mgbo65]

Me too bro, after Uni in 2016, i started seeing all my friends after school posting all this thing's they were doing, all this amazing life they havd already some getting married and stuff, and me my university girlfriend broke up with me, folks were askingal this serious questions about what i was doing with my life, lol sometimes at night i cry before sleep, cos i didn't have the answer and no one told me hey no one has figured it out but everyone is trying to just like i was, fast forward a few year's later, am still trying to figure it out but am not in the same place i was before, some of those one's that looked like they already figured it out it turns out no one has really figured some just pretend or hide it better, while some are lucky that's it.

[@skippy6462]

Please have more conversations like this. Think this young man needs a podcast ASAP.

[@notabit]

Thank you Alfie. You left James O'Brien with a big smile on his face 😃 And many others as well, I'm sure.

[@Dale_The_Space_Wizard]

I'm sure this wasn't the first time that a young man has left a big smile on O'brien's disgusting face, if the rumours are true.

[@MrRailjunkie]

@@Dale_The_Space_Wizard What rumors?

[@Dale_The_Space_Wizard]

@@MrRailjunkie You going to pretend that you havn't heard of those rumours just to try and preserve the reputation of your NPC high priest?

[@MrRailjunkie]

@@Dale_The_Space_Wizard I really haven't heard of them. Do tell oh wise one.

[@Luckydog661]

@@Dale_The_Space_Wizard when did you get promoted from cadet buddy??

[@zamnodorszk7898]

Just yet another reminder that social media is a cancer and the sooner we move on from it as a society the better. I’m two months clean of social media and have never been happier!

[@andrewstevenson118]

John Douglas, ex-FBI, said that you can tell a lot about a man by how he treats and talks about women. And this is coming from an expert on serial killers.

[@snsn7251]

Yup

[@Dale_The_Space_Wizard]

Woke simp.

[@YorkshireGem11]

And what does it say about women that constantly hate on men?

[@Dale_The_Space_Wizard]

@@YorkshireGem11 O'Brien and all his mindless followers consider hating on men as a positive virtue. Especially if those men are White.

[@YorkshireGem11]

@@Dale_The_Space_Wizard they're disgusting!

[@deedee2698]

This was one of the greats... This young man is so articulate and on point... I'm hoping he goes into some kind of teaching or mentoring to young men... Great job

[@thealfieshow3682]

(*Clapping*) One of the most informative and insightful conversations on the internet rn. Recently being cheated on (again), my tiktok and insta get swarmed with Andrew Tattie content, and I'll be open and say I fell for it. I was vulnerable to hating women, and after a few weeks I thought, "this is not me and wrong, yes I've been cheated on, but that's not in my control, it was her that decided to do it" I then learned about the algorithm of TT and Alfie is spot on, The only way I can get around it was to delete TT and read books. I hope people can shake their heads and wake up. There is too many bad influencers.

[@coperniggus9314]

? The blackpill/incels are who WOULD help you by informing you that it's not necessarily your fault you get cheated on. It's because women view 90% of men as unattractive and are prone to cheating when they meet a top 10er. Thats why they alone among animals evolved concealed fertility ("dual mating strategy"). Incels are fact- and experience-based observers. It's hilarious to invite an academic to denounce them since all incel discussions rely on ACADEMIC PAPERS OF SOCIAL AND BIOLOGICAL SCIENCE DEPARTMENTS LOL

[@katiehadwen-beck8146]

Get Alfie into schools! My daughter’s year 11 assembly this week was on Toxic Masculinity, delivered to both young men and women. According to my daughter, the woman (who must have had the best of intentions) who delivered the talk appeared to list a range of toxic male behaviours and attitudes such as the incel movement and the result was a scary list of bad things that boys and men can do/be. It was a one way conversation, no q&a, and my daughter said most of her friends left the assembly thinking it was poorly run, badly pitched and not at all constructive. Schools need to work with boys in small groups, run by men who can guide, inspire and support them.

[@nuca5104]

I can't help but think the "talking down to" from a woman is counter-productive and will accelerate the perceived problem.

[@MrManBuzz]

This is a perfect example of why young men and boys are increasingly feeling alienated and are falling into the clutches of cretins like Tate. There's a persistent feeling that boys/men are inherently bad, and they're constantly being told they're bad. It's always coming from a negative angle.

[@katiehadwen-beck8146]

Agreed. Really surprised that the school chose this particular angle. The kids are savvy and they just switched off.

[@ra6153]

@@nuca5104 it does Scandinavia tried it and it failed

[@nuca5104]

@@ra6153 Because when they tried to educate them the person revealed themselves and it was... DIO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! XD

[@MrBizteck]

I managed to wean my son off the AT train about 6 months ago. He was just turning 14. I caught him just in time. Lots of communication.... fathers do your research and show the young men how a REAL man behaves by respecting women. I dread to think what it would be like if I even missed it my a few months. Some of his friends are already lost.

[@harpothehealer]

What a joy to listen to this conversation between these two gentlemen as I grew old hopefully gracefully I learn more every day . Thanks to Alfie and James, and you know I think this young man Alfie will go far and perhaps even a role model for some. It's nice to drop onto quality now and again.😎

[@Keln02]

Education is the greatest gift a parent can bestow upon his children.

[@colincampbell4261]

Or her!

[@painunending4610]

I disagree. I think it's love. I'd rather be loved an uneducated than educated and unloved

[@sarangistudent8614]

@@painunending4610 why not both? They’re both equally as important.

[@frankbrennan1619]

Education is ONLY ever an activity, NOT an outcome.

[@quietowl1246]

Terrific young man. Great clip 👏👏

[@The_Mongoose]

People are lonely. People get mocked for BEING lonely. Apparently the problem is the lonely people. This "logic" is sickening.

[@CosmicBrain21]

Yep. Young men turning to Andrew Tate isn’t the problem, it’s the symptom.

[@markcranston4377]

People find it alot easier to cope looking outwards, rather than inwards, where the issue truly lies.

[@km666]

Yes, look inward and truly understand that "alot" isn't a word.

[@markcranston4377]

@@km666 awesome, thanks.

[@AngelicusImmortus]

An intelligent caller… Quite rare, for radio these days. Well explained, spot on with social internet “stuff” Really, really cool! Brilliant guy by the sound of things.

[@tommyi6667]

Well done caller, the Internet is wonderful but how many people have 20000+friends, miseducation is toxic and we hear what we want

[@ThomasKing19933]

People like Andrew Tate have made this worse.

[@evolassunglasses4673]

Decades of Liberalism and de-industrialing has destroyed the family unit.

[@gyata7270]

How Andrew Tate makes it worse, what did he say that is holding young men back?

[@bootlemonster]

well he exploited them with a pyramid scheme

[@ThomasKing19933]

@@gyata7270 are you serious?

[@skizz741]

bot account

[@danmayberry1185]

Great call. 99% of my school mates were involuntarily celibate, and then they discovered talking to girls.

[@Sceusell]

It's very funny in how all these boys studying how the mind of the modern woman thinks, not one of them thought to just ask lol (because if they do, they'll almost always get deradicalised)

[@capt.bart.roberts4975]

Just open your ears and listen, to women, in this case. Apply this to the rest of your life, you'll discover some very interesting ordinary people.

[@indricotherium4802]

Not though, I would bet with equally happy results all round .Apart from obvious cosmetic advantages some boys possess, others may be hampered in less obvious ways such as not growing up in the company of female siblings or friends.

[@ChrisBore13]

@@Sceusell are you suggesting men and women are different and think differently?

[@Sceusell]

@Cool Catch these isolated incels do. Having am actual conversation with a woman is how they discover that they're just normal people

[@marcusgarner1]

Currently writing my Masters on masculinity - really interesting and scary time to be a man and to think of how unclear the path ahead must be for so many young men. Alfie is absolutely right in everything he said, we need positive roll models for young men or we will end up with a generation of brainwashed misogynists ...

[@samulikarjalainen6107]

You mean based truth tellers?

[@Gilberto90]

If only the ideology you subscribe to hadn't actively connived to chase many positive role models from half of the families in the land. Also if people would stop constantly demonising men (particularly young ones) and holding them collectively responsible for the ills of the world that would be a start. If someone is constantly holding abusive and negative attitudes towards another then don't be surprised if they embrace the first person to show them a smidgeon of kindness (even if the 'samaritan' is also abusive).

[@georgelane6350]

Based truth tellers like Alfie, not halfwit conmen like Tate.

[@johnnicholas1657]

What field of work are you intending to enter into after your masters?

[@clangboomsteam]

@@Gilberto90 nobody's demonising men, just the misogynistic opinions people hold. The fact that misogyny towards women pre-dates your conservative victim complex completely destroys your false narrative.

[@frixosfriedman7813]

Yes, before Tate was the 'pickup artist' phenomenon.

[@thermodynamics458]

You just have to hope that young people are clever enough to see through the fantastic thrash Tate, Shapiro, Walsh, Crowder et al. peddle. Some are thankfully. Some aren't.

[@corelinck9098]

Fanatic people praise for odd culture.

[@Dale_The_Space_Wizard]

You just have to hope that older people are clever enough to see through the disgusting trash that O'brien peddles. Some are thankfully. Some aren't.

[@MrAlexandre3213]

You wish you had 1% of those individuals brain power lol

[@rjflores438]

I am on the left but Crowder, Walsh, Shapiro etc are not grifters just because they are right of centre. This is what I cant stand about my fellow lefties, pure divisivenss.

[@kevtb874]

@@rjflores438 anyone on youtube pumping out video after video about the latest hot button topic with their almost cartoonishly predictable slant us a grifter. They continue it not to highlight issues and help people. They do it because they know a topic is doing the rounds and they can make an easy buck by jumping on it and telling their fanbase what they want to hear. LBC is the same but at least have the sense to recognise it when you see it. Grifters all of them.

[@belgianheskey]

oversexualisation of everything is the root of the problem

[@stitch77100]

This caller is brilliant and very pedagogic, and it is a true breath of fresh air to listen to what he is explaining. BUT, as English not being my first language, and the quality of the recording and my sound system not being perfect, it was sometimes difficult to understand what he was saying on normal speed. I had to slow the video down to .75% to compensate with his elocution speed. But this intervention was absolutely worth it, and his thesis seems extremely interesting. This show really has some true gems as guests. Best regards from the other side of the Channel

[@ThatGuyThanus]

Social media really has given oxygen and fuel to this stuff..

[@ruseangirl]

The term incel was made by a woman, who was writing about herself, doing her own dissertation at uni. It’s a fact that many don’t know or omit (all are welcome to research this). He is referencing MALE incels. Incel just means involuntary celibate. It’s not specific just to men.

[@JohnYoungcook72]

Women can't by definition be incels unless they are in the bottom 1%

[@ottoweininger8156]

@@JohnYoungcook72 they certainly can because they might only want to sleep with men who are out of their league.

[@toomuchinformation]

@@ottoweininger8156 Well THAT won't be difficult. Having a relationship might be though. But incels are picky too. They get interest from women THEY don't want but omit that part from their convos.

[@TableTopTransformer]

It is MAINLY males, however

[@ShahbazBokhari]

This young lad is already sparking his mind in all the right ways. I wish him all the best and hope he discovers even more about himself and the world of contemporary academia. Edit: ''Chronically online since 15'', I felt that. Though for me it was dependent on the dial up since dungarees. :')

[@frankcooke1692]

It's such a difficult sort of landscape to navigate, because these people are so instinctively repulsing and difficult to sympathise with. But I think overcoming that instinct and being willing to show compassion, and a healthy dose of disapproval at the same time is a difficult balance. Alienating them completely only feeds their sense of victimhood and sends them deeper into isolation, and as tempting as that is - it doesn't solve any problems. I've known people who've fallen down that rabbit hole, who've let frustration and resentment get the better of them - but I've known people who have turned that around. It helps to hold a mirror up their behaviour - but without them feeling cornered or attacked. It requires a certain level of patience and the provision of recourse. They clearly need help - then help them.

[@elvissimpson9060]

They don't want the help because they don't think there's anything wrong. We're the ones who are wrong, in their minds. I've tried to have conversations with some of them but it's like they are brainwashed. They constantly demand proof and then deny the fact it's proof when you present it to them. I find it impossible to get through to them. There will be those who can, I hope, but I certainly can't.

[@anthonysmith8800]

Excellent video and what an articulate and insightful young man he is. The crux of all these issues is that people have been convinced that their problems, failings, insecurities etc are someone else's fault. It's easy to blame others. Brexit anyone? We need to educate people into taking responsibility and be able to self-critique.

[@Bowhuntingskills]

Er, surely blaming others is the MO of the left. Blame "the rich", corporations, Tories.

[@anthonysmith8800]

@@Bowhuntingskills feeble response in relation to the context of the video and my post. It's very telling that you jumped in using 'the left' in your response when this video has zero to do with politics.........

[@django3422]

@@Bowhuntingskills The difference is context. When talking, for example, about the state of the economy and how that impacts working people then it's appropriate to look to "the rich", to corporate greed and mismanagement by the government. If we're talking about personal issues, personal problems and insecurities, while external factors are present, ultimately the individual must look inward and take responsibility for themselves.

[@MrRailjunkie]

@@Bowhuntingskills The Mo of the left is blame the people at fault. The Mo of the right is to blame everyone else.

[@painunending4610]

Self reflect and take as much responsibility as you want, won't make women like you

[@gerbil_horde]

Someone get this guy on a long-form podcast with a sensible interviewer - I bet he has a lot more to give to this conversation

[@skizz741]

but he dosent. and never will... the abilty to express and create is what tate teaches

[@superhumantrueman]

@@skizz741 He can't be a great teacher. All the Tate supporters in this thread are borderline illiterate.

[@awesomfog345]

@@skizz741 from a fellow man younger man, you can’t seriously believe Tate’s teachings will provide you a fulfilled life?

[@robertovienescu8580]

@@skizz741 1 month old empty account. Begone BOT.

[@EyebrowsGaming]

@@skizz741 Tate teaches that men can create and express, and women cannot. That's not feasible, and will only take our society backwards.

[@jimweights8908]

How is it acceptable to smear young vulnerable men as “incel”? Systemic mental abuse of young men by senior members of society

[@Mrflippyfloop]

Bright lad. More of this please.

[@deeb4053]

Great discussion from Alfie and James; ratifies my decision to sign my daughter up to juijitsu classes. She is aware of Andrew Tate and what his movement is trying to do and she was keen to be able to protect herself physically if need be, even her trainer speaks eloquently about wanting to empower the young people, especially the girls in his classes.

[@Shredder-D]

😂 yes because are female child that does ju jitsu could beat a 4 time kickboxing world champion. You people are insane.

[@catcoffee7958]

Self confidence,strong boundaries,and girls should stop with the need to please...

[@deeb4053]

@@catcoffee7958 Precisely

[@toomuchinformation]

@@Shredder-D You're the insane one, making crazy deductions and inaccurate comparisons. Sheesh.

[@jtcruz125]

Train with her! You never know when it could be handy to know how to triangle ;)

[@jojoh8067]

Second time I’ve listened to this...amazing speaker .. he’s given me much food for thought in terms of supporting my 14 year old son to navigate adolescence and life. Can‘t believe he didn’t get a first for this!

[@clivecosta-correa2102]

Excellent call; heard it live, but great to have it for posterity.

[@Iskandar64]

The caller was excellent.

[@HumansAreShitFactories]

How do you know?

[@jezcorrigan651]

How can I hate women? My mums one.

[@regs_j]

Poor argument.

[@frankbrennan1619]

@@regs_j So many of our grubby, little, fifth rate, modern day career politicians can't even say what a woman is, although many are married to one......

[@susanplatt5331]

@@regs_j everyone has a mother. Auntie's, sister's, daughter's. Would you be happy to let your daughter near tate and his cult, if yes, I hope you aren't a father.

[@TechHeadOnline]

Chris Finch, great rep.

[@Aarenby]

@Frank Brennan oh wow, tat fan is a terf! Wow we all new terfs were misogynistic

[@seiwarriors]

I've done a module on incels in my media terrorism. Definitely he done better than what I did recently.

[@SandraT1107]

Thank you so much this was really useful

[@helenswan705]

Alfie, it is really interesting and informative to hear your experience and your views. Thanks so much for calling in, and I hope we hear more from you. Please may I ask you something? I am a considerably older person, and I find it hard to follow your rapid speech. I know younger people talk fast, my daughter does! But I have some experience in broadcasting. And listen to how O’Brien does it. Paced, and clear. Please, slow down, and speak clearly! You don’t want folk to miss what you have to say.

[@jpjapers]

Sadly even many parents of these brainwashed kids see Andrew Tate as someone that they find "hilarious" and is being funny and who they will gladly watch because they find him entertaining. Some have no issue with their kids consuming this kind of content unfortunately. The lack of social support for young men without anyone to turn to and without close friends leads to this sort of situation. The more we can generally socialise kids and teenagers outside of the ad-driven social feeds that thrive on keeping kids attention the better. These echo chambers that perpetuate this kind of content and make kids believe it's mainstream in order to keep their eyes in the screen are the issue. We need better systems to get people talking in person, socialising with others and generally mixing with people outside of their own image.

[@skizz741]

how old are you?

[@jpjapers]

@@skizz741 early/mid thirties. I'm in the generation that straddles those that didn't have internet growing up, and those that only know life with the internet. It's crystal clear that media feeds that rely on keeping your attention through suggested content are the reason for so many of the problems young people face today whether it's self worth, self image or deifying and obsessively defending these grifters and influencers they have parasocial relationships with.

[@Dale_The_Space_Wizard]

Sadly even many family members of these brainwashed NPS and SJWs see James O'Brien as someone that they find "hilarious" and is being funny and who they will gladly listen to because they find him entertaining. Some have no issue with their family members consuming this kind of content unfortunately. The lack of social support for NPCs and SJWs without anyone to turn to and without close friends leads to this sort of situation. The more we can generally socialise these NPCs outside of the ad-driven social feeds that thrive on keeping NPC's attention the better. These echo chambers that perpetuate this kind of sick woke content and make NPCs believe it's mainstream in order to keep their eyes in the screen are the issue. We need better systems to get people talking in person, socialising with others and generally mixing with people outside of their own woke image.

[@ppo2424]

Well he's behind bars now and i expect he will be for quite few years.

[@Dale_The_Space_Wizard]

@@ppo2424 I am sure that we are all wishing that the vile propagandist O'Brien was behind bars for quite a few years, to rescue our children from his disgusting woke ideology.

[@windmill10]

Thanks James and Alfie. This gave me great insight into this whole Andrew Tate thing and "pick up artist culture" that I didn't understand at all.

[@chris-ryan]

I love how James went from grimacing when the topic was brought up to engaged and intrigued with the conversation.

[@ThoughtswithFelix]

How did James manage to slip Brexit in this discussion even 🤣

[@andrewmclaughlin1457]

Tate to write his memoirs in a Romanian prison. The working title is "My Gaping Hole"

[@jujutrini8412]

We need more youth clubs and workers.

[@iamkeir]

What a wise and articulate young man. If he represents future generations, the future is bright 🎉

[@morestupidforms]

We need people like Alfie in politics.

[@sniferlip]

Only if he learns to speak english. Didn't get most of what he said

[@HXLproductions]

@@sniferlip Hes nervous and speaks fast thats all

[@undead_corsair]

This is totally something that needs to be talked about more. Young men are being left to fall into this black hole of isolation that leads to anger, violence, and the spread of alt-right ideology.

[@HumansAreShitFactories]

Can you define alt right?

[@albinoboy5312]

Very astute young lad!

[@joannec3579]

Give this man a spot on LBC, he's amazing!!

[@danclovinglife7315]

Well put by the caller. It’s a tragedy to see what happens to young people these days, and how easy it is, to manipulate the thoughts in their heads.

[@DizzyBusy]

I'd argue that it's not only young people, it's also old people and working age people. Just look at Brexit....

[@quillo2747]

@@DizzyBusy Spoken like a true person having their thoughts manipulated. How dare these people think differently than me, they can't possibly think for themselves, they should all think like me! You my friend are displaying half the reason people voted for brexit, they were tired of being called dumb and wrong for having opinions you dismiss and grievances you ignore.

[@mynewcolour]

Young people are far better equipped to navigate ideas in the digital space than boomers. I think they may be better equipped emotionally judging by how many older people reflexively use rage to excuse irrational behaviour.

[@joeambaye8681]

Bright intuitive young man - Bravo!

[@chalkus]

I love watching when James becomes more and more engaged with callers...

[@roseymacdoo]

Fantastic call, really insightful. Thanks Alfie!

[@DigitalDaffodil]

“Women bare some responsibility” Well, of course How can it be 0% responsibility? Zero?! Really?

[@solomonkzarka4045]

I would say society as a whole is the problem. No point talking about the shared blame interms of gender.

[@GeoffMorrisdrive]

Great caller, James knew all the clever stuff and just let him run with it.

[@jonathano.7109]

Great analysis, but Lord! He speaks quickly!!

[@incars1000]

Idontknowwhatyoumeanitwasreallyeasytounderstandwordwordword followed. By. James. Talking 😂

[@thehoneyeffect]

An excellent phone call, he is brilliant. I look forward to reading his books

[@user-em6ie2be7x]

Unlike the Word "Woke" every Tory & Conservative can tell you the word Incel means.

[@evolassunglasses4673]

Woke : Hypa Liberalism, identity politics, normalisation of degeneracy usual movements funded by International Woke finance capitalism. Even Black Lives Matter was funded by Bank of America and PayPal.

[@Based_Stuhlinger]

Leftists only claim not to be woke when the right call them out on using it describe themselves as such.

[@simplesimonhadapie]

No they can't add they don't think this is an issue

[@susanplatt5331]

Most tories are incels,or most incels are tories

[@Based_Stuhlinger]

@@susanplatt5331 Lol, what.

[@Jumpmaster337]

Trust me incels... if I can get my end away then anyone can!

[@diogocambrian]

Excellent conversation on the topic🖖🖖

[@cpuuk]

The more people post about how great a time they are having, the less I'm inclined to believe it, but it takes many years to realise the fakery.

[@janeking9540]

An excellent indepth book on the subject is MEN WHO HATE WOMEN 'The Extremism no one is talking about' , by LAURA BATES. It's an absolutely fascinating and eye opening read. She literally infiltrated the online incel sites, posing as Alex. It is a thorough examination of the movement and idealology.

[@orcho141]

What kind of solutions does it pose?

[@rollomaughfling380]

There's another book series starting from 2005, with the same name in Swedish, touching on the same subject, from Stieg Larsson's (RIP) _*Män Som Hatar Kvinnor*._ And a super-terrific miniseries made about it starring Noomi Rapace and Michael Nyqvist (RIP). I'll check out the Bates book, Jane.

[@tyronevaldez-kruger5313]

@@orcho141 Reading the book might be a way to get solutions. I'll read it not only because of solutions, but you can't have enough informations in terms of destructive anti- approaches. Social Media is packed with them to counter ideas of another movement, party or group. Global anti- Feminism is complex compared to the political right's worldwide spread Anti-Wokeness or "All Lives Matter" which are like an open book. You don't really need to read books on the latter and might as well watch football aka soccer

[@andrewroberts8959]

This guy better have gotten a first in the dissertation at least... Great explanation in content and delivery

[@GeoffMorrisdrive]

Im glad ive had my time, i feel so sorry for kids growing up in this society today. In the 60's and 70's we didnt have much but we had each other to play with, fight with and girls didnt wear belts as skirts. Im quite a young headed 63 year old and i was late to radio, but i wish I had James skill to put bigots in their place whilst controlling his temper. Pure skill

[@troymclaughlin772]

I would like to have a conversation with this young man. As I think a longer more in depth conversation may be fruitful. As an adult that talks to a lot of young men/ teenagers. One of the biggest problems they state when discussing masculinity and Andrew Tate. Is the lack of masculine figures and not being able to understand the transition from boy to men. They highlight how men are portrayed in media and get frustrated with how men are vilified. Then they compared that to how female figures would say the same things in media and be celebrated. You need to look at this holistically because the inequalities and double standards today gave rise to the gravitation towards Andrew Tate. To clarify not my point of view but points pointed out by the young men I speak to.

[@J.D.M2.1]

I made a similar comment, but this was more eloquent. Shaming them won't bring them back, men are feeling marginalised and it is manifesting in several ways such as the growth in extremism in the left and right.

[@troymclaughlin772]

@@J.D.M2.1 that’s exactly it, we need to change the narrative completely if we want actual change. Kids are not silly they see through the narratives.

[@skizz741]

you need to stop talking to young boys

[@JB.zero.zero.1]

@@troymclaughlin772 Putting the so-called "influencers" to one side for a moment. This is not merely a "narrative" imo. It is far more of an uphill struggle or a pointless battle even, if one is hit hard at a genetic level and inherits qualities that most will find unattractive. Or, one inherits genetic anomalies that foster neurological disorders. Many of the concerns within these communities are legitimate and have actual grounding. Tate isn't catering to "Incels" - that is an incorrect view, again imo - spend time in the Incel communities and you'll find that they chiefly despise people like Tate, as he sells copium (to use their slang) ...

[@troymclaughlin772]

@@JB.zero.zero.1 no I completely understand. When I referred to narrative I was talking about the narrative in main stream media and social media regarding men. An example of this is politicians calling for a curfew for men, or daytime Tv shows can call for castration of men.

[@annepoitrineau5650]

Alfie: what a guy! My little grand son (11) had heard of A Tate and asked us over dinner once. We had the type of conversation with him with the arguments Alfie is also using. I would be so proud to introduce my little grand son to Alfie, as a role model (his dad is also really great, by the way). Male role models who are not their fathers are so important for kids, as are female role models by the way.

[@stream_gene]

This kid talks a mile a minute, but my goodness he's done the work!

[@incars1000]

Great call, but i can barely keep up with the speed of talking!

[@davidbarnes3079]

Yes now a fellow Scouser I can be proud of hahah ✊

[@symmetryox7184]

Sorry but this is completely surface value. I've been around incel circles dating back to 2014 and this type of analysis is completely incorrect. While I condemn the grifting, content driven, nature of modern internet manosphere, there is an inderlying problem that incels have that I've yet seen be addressed.

[@ottoweininger8156]

What is the underlying problem?

[@scrock8621]

Clever lad.. great call, great discussion

[@diskopartizan0850]

As a young man I went through a period of what would be called 'involuntary celibacy'. I never blamed women or society, I blamed myself perhaps too much at times but felt that I had flaws that put people off. Whether that was true or not is debatable but it's how I felt. That some young men now focus their energy on attacking and blaming others feels like a big shift that has taken place. I wonder if there is any insight into how this happened.

[@rjflores438]

The dating marketplace is now global due to dating apps. This means women have more options than ever before and unfortunately most men dont make the cut. This is just hypergamy, not womens fault really it is just the Darwinian reality.

[@aliyaf9869]

@@rjflores438same way many women werent able to get married before or have a stable life without a man - and the man was always going to have the upper hand to a woman he chose

[@TheLastAngryMan01]

@@rjflores438The flip side to this is that women on those apps get a lot of highly suggestive or even threatening messages from men, which is probably not the case even for very attractive men.

[@rjflores438]

@TheLastAngryMan01 some of them are because there are so many messages in the first place. Men who send those messages are wrong to do so obviously, but it is better to be inundated with messages than get zero.

[@diskopartizan0850]

Are dating apps the only place to engage with other people? It feels like it's easy to point the finger at them as a problem, and I agree that they are, but do the traditional ways of meeting people no longer work?

[@BardicJim]

Why are social algorithms at the centre of all the worlds social problems?

[@barbariandude]

That kid needs to slow down and take a breath once in a while xD Was way more watchable at 0.75 speed. Very interesting call though. Full of actionable bits of info.

[@ChrispyNut]

LOL, I found it refreshing to watch at 1x for a change as I have 1.25 as default and often use much faster. That's what happens when you've done a lot of research on something but know you have little time to convey a lot of information. 🤷‍♀

[@ellydavis2066]

Hah. I had to slow it down to 0.75. I thought I was having a funny turn, missing every other word.

[@leeoreilly6797]

Idontknowwhatyourtalkingaboutyoujustneedtospeedupyourabilitytohearwithinthecontextofanimportantconversationwherelotsofinformationneedstobeconveyedinasuccinctandspeedyfashion

[@chrisrobbo1974]

Listen on 0.5, it's a lot funnier.

[@ChrispyNut]

@@leeoreilly6797 you're (or "youre"). 😉😜

[@romaix84]

Can you share your dissertation with us? That was really informative. Very articulate young man.

[@AodhanBeag]

Very interesting thesis subject, if I could get my hands on a copy I’d love to give it a read

[@visceralhit3721]

There's a book on the topic as well called, Men Who Hate Women by Laura Bates (2020) I've started to read recently, investigating incel and online misogyny groups and great if not depressing read

[@carinam.9447]

A lot of universities have some/all of their student's thesis' on their library's repository, might be able to find it there.

[@HumansAreShitFactories]

Have you ever read a research paper?

[@apexjunky]

Great interview 👍

[@zeno2712]

You're getting there, James. Getting there. Now start listening to women.

[@chrissymk]

Critical thinking is the key point - and unfortunately it’s a skill which so many people don’t possess. Do they teach critical thinking in school from a young age? I remember studying an AS level in critical thinking when I was 17 and it genuinely blew my mind and changed the way I was able to process the mass media. The craziest thing for me was that the course was only available for the top academic performers at the time, when really everyone needs access to those skills and from a younger age in todays world.

[@xander_campbell6145]

Ship Of Outlaws (for the name of the call in for the three Torrie scandals)..... Since the meaning of Torrie comes from the name outlaw, you're literally referring to The Ship Of Outlaws as a ship of Torries!

[@hanselmansell7555]

That guy was great, really nailed it 🔨👏👏👏

[@peanutbutterbruv]

@LBC Any chance of a link to uis thesis?

[@TheaterPup]

Important to mention it's not just single guys who can fall into these traps. My ex became very bitter about life and starting insisting feminism was somehow to blame for everything. Of course I eventually became the enemy because I had a job and education when he didn't. He was also very isolated, had barely any friends, and spent most days gaming (not surprisingly). Now you know why he's my ex, heh.

[@pointedhood826]

We also know why you dated him in the first place and chose to ignore his other flaws. It was his looks.

[@charleshallam3216]

Sounds to me that the young guys heads he gets into couldn't sustain his lifestyle. So, where does the money come from or are the police onto him?

[@jasonau427]

Very smart and insightful young man.

[@SuperDuperCool23]

this caller was spot on

[@robertolecki7492]

"Because you push their buttons (literally), they push yours" - perfectly put! (I'm paraphrasing a bit)

[@atikurrahman9304]

It's a very dangerous movement...

[@evolassunglasses4673]

Not as dangerous as I slam

[@terrysmith5168]

Not as dangerous as drill gang culture

[@evolassunglasses4673]

If you look Into prison demographics your probably completely wrong.

[@nickshale6926]

@@evolassunglasses4673 Let's see some 'Prison Demographics' then. ...and it's 'You're' not 'Your' - and 'probably completely' is just bad grammar.

[@Dale_The_Space_Wizard]

I assume that you are talking about this danger woke movement. If so, then I agree, and pushers of this vile ideology like O'Brien should be taken off air.

[@ALaz502]

I would love to read this dissertation!