LDS Church found guilty of fraud, who could have known?!

[@TheLazyhomesteader]

the fact that people have to pay to go on missions when the church could easily pay for everyone is crazy

[@sweettooth_dragon9501]

Because that's about making members emotionally invest by putting their own money into it. It's definitely a control thing.

[@holidayrap]

Members do not have to pay to go on missions. If they can't afford it the Church (usually starting with the missionary's local ward) steps in. I'd venture to guess, if the Church came up with a policy that missionaries will automatically have their mission's expenses paid for critics would find something to say about it. The Church donates 10s of millions (conservative estimate) to various organizations, communities and causes yearly and internationally. (Google it) Haters are going to hate and critics are going to criticize.

[@TheLazyhomesteader]

Yeah exactly so everyone else who “can afford it” pays for it.

[@kaijusushi8165]

The church is like a manic squirrel that can't stop collecting and hiding nuts, even though it has stashed away enough to last it for the next 1,000 years. . .

[@kerstinklenovsky239]

That comparison is a bit too cute.

[@Richard.Atkinson]

But squirrels don’t pretend to be benevolent forces for good in the world.

[@LittleMissLounge]

While collecting 10% of every other squirrel's nuts like the bushy-tailed robber baron he is (we all know the squirrel in this analogy is a he).

[@darger3]

Well said

[@pembrokelove]

@@Richard.Atkinson only because squirrels don't have to pretend.

[@lark7655]

I dont think i'm ever going to forget literally *leaving the TEMPLE* to see a homeless person standing there very clearly in need of help and here because supposedly this was a good church where good people went to help? and nudging my dad to give something (because i was a broke 12 year old with no money at that point) and he said that the church advised against giving anything to the homeless or poor, and instead donating to the church instead because "if you give the homeless money who knows what they'll spend it on, but the church will use that money to help them live instead of buy drugs or alcohol". Ever since then if i see someone in need of money I do my best to give what I can because screw that, much to the chagrin and annoyance of my parents.

[@FrogsForBreakfast]

Maybe they spend it on drugs, but withdrawals seriously suck. Can you imagine going through it homeless? I can't fix their addiction for them so I won't complain if they use my donation to avoid withdrawing in the streets.

[@mlee2774]

What someone chooses to do with the money you give them says more about them than you. If you deem they chose a bad option that isn’t your fault, that’s their choice. What happened to agency? Besides, you don’t know their life or what’s best for them.

[@mlee2774]

Same thing happened at general conference. A few people were asking for help and the crowds rushed past them. My sisters and I were little and asked my Gramma why no one was helping them if we believe service is important

[@venlakirahvi]

Btw if the thing stopping you from supporting a homeless person is that you don't want them to use it on drugs or alcohol, you could just go and buy them food or something else they need. My mom does this sometimes, she asks the person what they'd like to eat and fetches it from the nearest store or restaurant. But to be clear I personally agree that drug addiction isn't as simple as just suddenly deciding to or being forced to stop. That's why supervised injection sites with trained staff are a thing, for example, even though it might at first sound counterproductive.

[@upwherethesundontshine5602]

I remember this being engrained in me by the church leaders as well. So gross. I have been a massive unhoused persons advocate and hope we all can do more to help those in need instead of padding the pockets of multi-billion dollar churches.

[@peterhoyt2529]

Omg. Tanner’s offhanded comment about a potential shell company being a carpeting company that is the sole supplier for the temples triggered a memory of a shady former bishop of mine telling us about how he worked his way into becoming the sole provider for something in the temple. (I can’t remember if it was the stadium seating chairs, or something else, but now you have me getting a lightbulb moment, haha.)

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

!!!!

[@RJeremyHoward]

Those seats were a pain in my 54in ass!

[@joanteasdale2991]

And regarding Proposition 8 the church was behind it through a company back east and they had all the state presidents asked their members to donate to the California Proposition 8 to defeat it to defeated Proposition 8 was to equal marriage rights and yet they hit it hit it hit it they did not want it to be public publicly acknowledged donating their kids college funds because their Church to ask them to do it in a hidden way despicable deplorable Human Rights was down the drain propagated by the church requirements

[@amygreen758]

​@@RJeremyHoward those one size fits all chairs, are so elitist.

[@kassrripples3659]

I’ve noticed a connection between LDS members who are higher up in essential oil companies who also run businesses …

[@jon952]

Never thought I could confidently say that the first presidency isn't eligible for a temple recommend.

[@benthomas9776]

If the First Presidency aren't all committed vegetarians (unless they are going through times of great hunger or want) then they're technically breaking the Word of Wisdom.

[@abbisneezer]

Wonder if this will spark the IRS to check if the shell companies have paid their taxes?

[@marquitaarmstrong399]

We can always hope

[@annamarie1942]

apparently the irs is also going to look into this

[@jaromfrome642]

The irs is currently investigating the church that case hasn't broken yet

[@maggiepowell7696]

They should be up on criminal charges. Rusty and co should be in prison. The fine is pitiful. They wipe their arse with $5M.

[@squib3825]

my mormon coworker simply refused to believe me about this when i was chatting with my manager about it. he wasnt even in the conversation but butted in telling us we were lying to each other?

[@Smilesremember2Smile]

Classic

[@raylawler13]

They're legally not allowed to publicly contradict the agreement they came to. There's also still a fair chance they have to pay a lot more after the IRS investigates them.

[@marquitaarmstrong399]

Let us hope....

[@ashleysage7460]

Everytime I have a similar conversation ppl always bring up "well they do so much good." Ultimately if you have the finances, resources, and influence to do world-changing work-and you're not, you're a failed organization.

[@foxrunfan]

I recently had a conversation with a missionary. He explained the fund away by saying internet rumors

[@thearly1122]

When I found out about this I had so much anxiety and shock. The penalty they have to pay for is nothing to them just pocket change so…

[@denalinde]

Wouldn’t it be wonderful if people who sacrifice things now in order to possibly have a better life after they die would start living their best life here on earth? •Time with loved ones •More money to care for themselves and others •More energy to assist those in need and on and on…

[@gardengirl6636]

I can’t wait to hear the PR spin handed down from the top 13 to be read at the pulpit on Sunday. I hope you have some inside moles reporting to you so we can get the scoop! Return & report!…..however, there may just be stony silence since The Church’s PR statement did say they “consider the matter closed”

[@grantlands.5896]

When I read the story I immediately thought, “oh they’re gonna tear into this one”. Wasn’t disappointed lmao

[@elizawalton3378]

I grew up very poor when I was like 12 I gave the Mormon church $250 for hurricane Katrina. I still feel so bitter about it.

[@LittleMissLounge]

At least you didn't directly donate to Prop 8?

[@benzun9600]

bitterness will age you

[@ponykazy3725]

​@@benzun9600 giving 10% or more of your income to a church that hoards it will also age you.

[@AJ-et3vf]

​@@benzun9600 stay quiet

[@steveambrose2349]

Did you know that though the church asks for money for a certain disaster, that money DOES NOT go to that cause. It goes into a fund, needed or not for that particular need. This info is on their website. Disgusting!

[@whitneymiller7853]

I died laughing at this part hahaha: Tanner: "you're gonna be drowning in blessings" Sam: "literally, you're gonna be begging me to stop" I freaking love you both so much.

[@whitneymiller7853]

And a proud Zelph patreon community member and I can testify that my life has been *significantly* blessed because of it

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

Sobbing 🥰🥰🥰🥰

[@cloverplayssnakegame]

This was my shelf breaker last year. I was a phone call away from putting my papers in and I was dealing with some girl drama.( I wasn’t allowed to tell her I liked her or she would be in trouble with the honor code) I was in a lot of pain because I was held to an impossibly high standard needing to be honest. And the church is following different rules and they always will.

[@naomikasz1]

Hey Guys! Great episode as usual. Just as an interesting point, Orthodox Jews are required to give 10% of all their earnings (even money gifts ) as well but not to a church or rather synagogue but any charitable cause. Anything you chose to give to, you give all your 10% but the law feels a lot more humane to me since we are exempt from the giving if we are in a position of asking n to have our basic needs met. Sending love from Israel❤ love your Channel and find what you discuss so fascinating even though I’ve never even encountered a Mormon in my life 😅😊

[@michaelkeith5398]

I put on Mormon stories and it sent me straight to sleep. I came here and got a good time

[@Doctordevey]

It's funny you mention Walmart, Walmart donates more than the church does a year.

[@TheFLMP]

AFAIU, having the shell companies allows them to have multiple entities taxed as a single entity for less money, as opposed to having each company taxed individually at a higher rate.

[@Purplepeopleeater17]

Kind of ironic that the guy who gave the talk about replacing “the church” with “Jesus” is actually named Kevin.

[@King-fv6oz]

If I was a god and heard my church was doing this I would be insulted.

[@Richard.Atkinson]

How would you feel when you discovered that you were imaginary?

[@King-fv6oz]

@@Richard.Atkinson I said if I was a god not I am god.

[@nyssalynn5216]

I also hate how they get children to pay tithing, like when i was 16 and got my first job a bunch of people pressured me into paying tithing. Im so grateful my nevermo mom told me not to.

[@stelladavis7832]

You guys did a good job of making a complicated issue simple to understand

[@jeaniebottle6758]

Money is not evil in itself, it is in collecting mass amounts of it, profiting too much of it, spending it on evil or self comfort & extravagance.

[@yijumiller5659]

They need money to hire best lawyers

[@mslaerik66]

If only they had a Prophet that could have seen this coming !

[@fordfairlane6580]

Didn't Sheri Dew say the prophet can see around corners.

[@timhazeltine3256]

​@@fordfairlane6580 Oh, Sheri meant the Profit could see around the corner into your wallet.

[@kevinslyter]

Even if you threaten people most people still won’t give you 10% of their money.

[@jerrimenard3092]

What about the situation in Canada. They have been transferring money from there and using it in the USA, which is illegal. The Faith Estate has an episode on it here on YT

[@emersoncrafts]

I give a larger percentage of my income to your patreon than the church gives to charity

[@emersoncrafts]

Cant wait for my unicorn and my eternal youth 😍😍

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

MAKES YOU THINK

[@maggielovestoads]

I like listening to this because I also listened to Mormon Stories’s discourse on the subject from yesterday but as a hamster brained little critter like myself your ways of describing it helps me to understand it all more hahaha

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

🐹🐹🐹

[@ericbalzer1535]

The First Church of Christ, Economist.

[@AlizzaSpeaks]

It’s also the families that own the organizations. There are actually ppl who own the church that know it’s a scam. I meet one of the billionaires and they told me that it’s like 20 families that control it all, I won’t say their names for safety reasons. But ya they reinvest the money into owning more and more businesses including multiple casinos in Vegas.

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

!!!!!

[@danieljohncarey7917]

You two aren't going to make it to the Celestial Kingdom heavenly theme park. There will be gnashing of teeth when you realize you aren't going to be able to spend eternity popping out spirit children to populate worlds without end. Keep it up! Thanks for the loud laughter.

[@ladybird5000]

love the way tanner's phone case and jacket are matching

[@Aelffwynn]

The fashion icon we need

[@Bruce2518]

And I’m sure they claim nonprofit status.

[@AmyBethanyTeal]

Just skip the middle man and donate the money straight to charity. Make the process much simpler :))

[@pandorabryn]

I was raised Catholic near Baltimore, and moved to Alabama for university. My first friend was a southern Baptist (I had never met one before) and I completely freaked out when she told me she gave 10% of her meager income to her church! I went to her church with her several times and though I loved Catholic mass, i hated Baptist services. In mass, the priest would take bible stories and use them to teach a life lesson during his sermon. The Baptist preacher’s sermon was always taking a verse of the Bible and telling the congregation what specifically was meant by the words. Boring! I maintain that Protestantism is just Catholicism with all the magic and fun removed… and they make you pay top dollar to do it!😜

[@jeffs4483]

If you think that's bad, Mormonism is 10X worse.

[@alexandrac591]

So fascinating. I've only been to Mass as a kid and teen so I always wondered how the others do it. For example, the snippets I've seen of megachurch services are so alien to me, and then there's the very stripped-down shouty preaching churches, etc. I am not practicing anymore, but I do remember the feeling of a nice homily with a relatable life lesson. Some of those were just about being kind to people and helping the less fortunate and being careful about judging others.

[@sarat6488]

IMPORTANT: KITTY AT 5:03

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

cat spotting! that’s 10 points!!

[@lizzy-gr8yy]

The things the members are saying to defend this is so ridiculous

[@TEAM__POSEID0N]

From what I've seen so far, the main objective was to prevent the church members from knowing how much money the church had accumulated from tithing money and diverted to managed assets (which magically became "not tithing money"), instead of being used to generously fund practical church operations (such as providing adequate allowances to missionaries for food, safe housing and healthcare, or actually hiring janitors at a decent wage to make sure that the "cleanliness is next to godliness" aspect of the church's houses of worship could be properly seen to). As an incident of their efforts to conceal the church's actual accumulated wealth (in the form of "tithing dollars" converted to "non tithing dollars") their scheme of creating multiple shell companies (nothing but puppets with no independence that do not operate as going concerns in their own right) violated an obligation to properly report the total amount of assets under management (of Ensign Peak Advisors, which had ALL of the actual control of the shell companies'/puppet companies' nominal assets) and the ultimate principal owner of the assets (the church, or more accurately, the corporate legal fiction that owns church stuff). Technically it was a reporting violation. They didn't report required information. It probably would not be categorized as fraud, since the only investors in the shell companies would be EPA (who actually had total control over the shell companies). Investments would have been made through the shell companies into the stock markets/securities markets, for the ultimate benefit and profit of the church (i.e. the church's account with EPA).

[@lucybarnes8969]

Sam it looks like you have purple hair cause of the lighting and you're slaying 💜

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

It was totally intentional hahaha, I have two sunset lights and I figured I could just purple shampoo myself with lighting!

[@1spiritproductions]

not money laudering,,, oh noooooooooo

[@SteveSmith-os5bs]

The church must be getting cheap on offering a mansion. I clearly remember pay your tithing and get your own planet.

[@lilatueller]

Hypocrites. That’s all they are. They are precisely what their Jesus hated! Embarrassing for them. For me, more reasons for why I did the right thing by leaving and never giving them another dime for the rest of my life. Great podcast

[@juliacheneyillustration3928]

That’s a big Oof for the church

[@annahjortkjr589]

The CC strikes gold again: Sam: "I like to moisturize before I boxturtles." (Gives new meaning to shell companies) Tanner: "I was a steak sector."

[@anirainz]

I work as a CNA at a skilled nursing facility in SLC owned by the company Ensign (not Ensign Peak, just Ensign). Does that mean it's church related? I couldn't find any info when I googled around back when I first got hired. I don't really want to work for the benefit of the church, but my residents deserve good care, so... I don't know how I feel if it is a church affiliated company

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

I’m guessing it is??

[@jerrimenard3092]

I would bet it is. At the very least, a High up member owns it

[@mspolicecall]

It's worth a third of coca cola. The church is meant to aid its members and then aid their local community. This is bonkers.

[@Cor6196]

Since the sexual crimes by priests in the Roman Catholic Church exploded into the news, churches in my area of the world started closing at a stunning rate - not for lack of money, but for lack of parishioners, especially younger folks, willing to continue attending Church services. The sold-off properties have since become exclusive condos, commercial properties, or the churches of other denominations. So keep an eye on your local Temples, and if you see a For Sale sign out in front, consider it a Sign of the Secular Times.😂

[@somesortofdeliciousbiscuit3704]

So the Q15 and Rusty Nelson need to be under a Church Council and they would fail it?

[@thatgirlwillow1656]

Does anyone know the exchange rate of cristo-coin to god bucks?

[@Laura-rd6yg]

Sam I’m sorry you’re sick but your hair looks AMAZING

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

🥰🥰 yay!!!!

[@marquitaarmstrong399]

Her hair is always so great. Like Tanner's too.

[@jsmith1746]

The shell companies were shell companies in the most pure sense of the concept. The shell corporations had ZERO assets, ZERO operations, ZERO employees. They existed as a Delaware corporate registration certificate, with a church employee who was selected due to their common name and relatively low online profile (to make it harder to connect them with the church) listed as the sole officer of the corporation.

[@jeffs4483]

Their greed will invariably hasten their demise. Ironically, if they actually used that investment fund to help people, and I mean lets say used 1/4 of it to do actual Christian acts of goodness, I believe their influence and power would grow from that. Instead they salivate over their money hoard while the walls crash in on them.

[@the-salamander4truth]

By every metric I have seen, only about 1% goes to charity.

[@ponykazy3725]

Just imagine how many people would join if the church put .1% of their energy to combat world hunger. Wouldn't excuse their bigotry and sus values, but then theyd put a penny in their mouth.

[@ashleyshampine3960]

My mom is on social security and food stamps, but still has to give 10% of THAT to the church.

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

:(

[@AWindy94]

Isn't that illegal? Exchanging your food benefits is federally illegal, and anything over $100 is a felony. It's considered welfare fraud. If it's a free will donation of food, that's one thing, but I will openly doubt it's actually optional for her, and that's illegal as fuck. They can't make her donate her government assistance, and if it could be proven the church forces her to, you'd have a lawsuit pretty easily. The feds do not fuck around with the abuse of food stamps, and there's an entire department dedicated to investigating fraud on behalf of benefit recipients, and businesses/organizations that abuse the system as well. If you can get documents saying they make her donate benefits, you could get the church in a shit storm of trouble.

[@mylesmarkson1686]

The Church definitely takes in A LOT more charity than it gives out.

[@elizalange]

Ah yes, reinstating the church as it was in Jesus’s time: one prophet and the twelve shell companies.

[@marquitaarmstrong399]

Follow the profit🎵🎵🎵🎵🎵

[@maddexq9107]

😂❤

[@jeffs4483]

Imagine if the LDS Corporation donated more than a measly

[@AJ-et3vf]

Thank you very much for this. Thank you

[@JoPoZee]

Honestly the names they used for their shells just sound like pilfered ward names.

[@josephrawlins]

First they came for the multibillion dollar embezzlement schemes, And I said nothing, for I was not a multibillion dollar embezzlement scheme...

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

I laughed out loud

[@emilywilson6692]

The church is reminding me of the Ferengi from Star Trek.

[@kennethd.9436]

Once you have their money, you never give it back.

[@DeathValleyDazed]

The Church of Ben Franklins of Latter-day Saints.

[@CaraBrook]

Highly recommend the Patreon! Also please make shell merch 🙏

[@Crazyturtlelady9119]

I hope you feel better Sam. Love you guys

[@MapleSarup]

Unrelated, (but also very related bc when is it not) Sam, your hair looks amazing!

[@JazzyJames41]

I can’t remember the last time I laughed this hard! You two are hilarious!! ❤😂

[@indicatmusic]

I think I remember hearing something growing up about the importance of following the laws of the land? I'm just a woman tho so idk 🙏🙏🙏

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

Who let you speak?

[@darger3]

“That’s gold Jerry! Gold!”

[@gilliannash4944]

Omggg this video was interrupted by an ad for a church sponsored documentary about missionary work 😂

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

Oh how the payers have become the paid 😎

[@TacShooter]

When your prophet dressed like every other corporate American businessman, that should have been your first clue as to what his real priorities were.

[@aleisbarrett13]

I would say, really for them, it’s all about power

[@_KungFuBarbie_]

Sometimes I feel like the church is really just a bunch of finance bros that made one book their entire personality.

[@gypsylee333]

I know I kinda dissed your other plant before, but your fishbone looking calathea behind you looks perfect! Sorry I swear I'm listening 😂

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

We love plant feedback!!!!! Circling back to the rubber plant, it tends to shrink and look lackluster in the winter but pops off majorly in the summer!!! I’ve had it since it was a tiny pot!!!

[@gypsylee333]

@@ZelphOntheShelf well I'm jealous, I love that genus as well as ferns, but I kill them both quickly so I surrendered trying to buy them for now lol. I love how they move their leaves through the day.

[@stephenjackson7797]

Oaks was president of BYU when I was there. He's a product and a president of the Mormon education system.

[@schiffelers3944]

I wish I could sue them successfully for the religious trauma they put on me. That is not how this works, sadly. Back in my day, and in the Netherlands/Germany/Belgium regions there was not talk so much about prosperity religion as such.... Sure it in a way gets played aside with seeing it as a blessing, more or less. But more focus on humble and not being too rich, like you said suffering for the next life. They keep simple members in the dark. There is social hierarchy just like in the secular world so to speak, the LDS & RLDS are integrated into society. FLDS isn't integrated, let's not get into them. It's a little different in ways especially with the women section, for me the aspect of priesthood gave more cohesive ness and social structure to the male aspect of this religion, also Utah is not the same as the rest of America or the rest of the global churches. I grew up in a USA military dominant Church, as I was 3 y/o the Dutch and American churches merged, and the Dutch members seemed to dwindle - it was quite a culture shock for me. But also a blessing in disguise more or less, I grew up with English as my second/third language. If you are born into this this is your norm/normalcy this is your primary social bubble, the secular layer is secondary. But you also don't talk money like that in church. I agree it is weird, I am glad I was gay and was what in the end made me leave and get excommunicated. I was born into but also never went on a mission. I have missed the sense of community that I grew up with, after I left.

[@somesortofdeliciousbiscuit3704]

I wonder how many TBM or indeed any higher-ups realise that to many people, the phrase 'the good name of the Church' is seen as an oxymoron?

[@mizotter]

"God is punishing us..." coincidence: I was teaching high school Mythology & introducing archetypes w/ images on a bulletin board, like creator, destroyer, earth mother, hero, etc. Just as I introduced deities who function as JUDGE AND PUNISHER, the PRINCIPAL unlocked the door and burst into the room, apparently trying to intimidate and round up a perceived rule-breaker with the element of surprise. His attempt at being badass failed miserably when the whole class broke into hysterical laughter at his entrance. It became a favorite funny memory for the whole class and everyone they told! Like many mediocre white men, Mr. Man relied on emotional manipulation rather than professional expertise for his "authority." He is an endless source of anecdotes of incompetence from decades at that school; we laugh to keep from crying at the abuse of power & waste of time, energy, and resources of public tax $. Be well, friends!

[@somesortofdeliciousbiscuit3704]

While the fine is tiny, here's hoping that the main damage is to their application and this tiny fine is only the first blow as it where.

[@taly5853]

Sam your hair colour looks really nice btw

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

Yay!!! Thank you!!

[@Miss.sassycassy]

This whole being stoned was great cause KEVIN SAYS lol

[@lindseyscott7133]

Ok I had the most traumatic, sleazy relationship with a high ranking Mormon leader - yes I said Mormon. This guy was my doctor. He and my ex husband were attracted to each others wives (creepily we look like sisters). She wanted to swing. My ex starts sleeping with his wife. He gives me a sob story about how they’re both cheating on us, so we should be together. I’m shell shocked & stupid. So I do it. Oh and he’s very good looking and mega rich. He confesses a week before I’m going to leave my husband for him that he & my ex secretly planned this. I dumped him. And what he told me about the LGBT. The Prophet someday will announce they’re tolerant, once their homophobia becomes too unpopular. He knew the Prophet didn’t talk to God, he was obsessed with power. Nice twist that he was my doctor & doing this was illegal. There’s my story about the LDS. Of course they got back together. They’re still publicly a Mormon power couple. Nice.

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

Whoah

[@lindseyscott7133]

@@ZelphOntheShelf I know. I’m a Christian in a accepting Baptistish super positive church, I don’t have hate in my heart for them. The sexism though is so extreme, the hypocrisy. We argued a lot about gay people, my brother was gay. He did protect them & shelter them from being ex communicated secretly. I believe him. I was with him for a year & a half. But can they ever get honest? I know he sounds sleazy, he is in many ways. But he married at 19 a virgin. She left him & slept with half of Austin - I saw it. Including my husband. It’s true. He was left alone with 4 girls. It was 15 years ago. I loved & hated him. The LDS church badly needs honesty & reform. I don’t think they’re beliefs are all just false. They help each other so much. I have such mixed feelings about them. And no, I’m not kidding. He was at the top over all of Texas and nationally. The state Bishop’s right hand man. I’m amazed he told me such secrets. But people need to know. And the Bishop. Such hypocrisy. One rule for the rich men, another for them. Many of them had mistresses like me. He stopped even trying to hide it. This isn’t Christian. They can do better.

[@Smilesremember2Smile]

Dang that's crazy!

[@Smilesremember2Smile]

​@@lindseyscott7133 Being a virgin and then getting married doesn't give people morals.

[@lindseyscott7133]

@@Smilesremember2Smile True.

[@anirainz]

Me waiting for my magical flying pony ✨👑✨

[@jacobopstad5483]

When I was still an active, believing member, I was always eager to help people and wanted to see what the church was doing with donation money but I never got to see it

[@CallieSpendlove]

Quick question… if we gave Jesus a billion dollars do you think he would put it in the stock market, or do you think he would help the poor and suffering?? Hmmmm🤔

[@timhazeltine3256]

Time to RICO the LDS

[@mylesmarkson1686]

Can we SUAVE it at some point as well?

[@AJ-ht3kf]

Members have to give 10% of their income but the church doesn't have to give 10% income from these shell companies?

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

make it make sense

[@victoriagibby8069]

I enjoy sorting by "new" in your comments to see what the apologists have to say but they're pretty quiet so far on this one...

[@ZelphOntheShelf]

They don’t even bother with our videos haha

[@chiveshorses9459]

Link the videos at the end!!

[@upwherethesundontshine5602]

"inflation doth corrupt". That's EPIC! Haha

[@rebeccainspired]

It's Ozark and that company was just boats on the water for church services. Nothing shady to see here. Let's build another temple!

[@jerrimenard3092]

Then they can change the rites again too . They just did that as well.

[@Pfhreak]

Tithing, Inc. is a shining example of the chorus of a song appropriately named "The Preacher and the Slave". You will eat, bye and bye In that glorious land above the sky Work and pray, live on hay You'll get pie in the sky when you die Even more fitting considering that the man that wrote that song was executed in Utah for a crime he very clearly did not commit because his labor activism freaked out the powers that be.

[@johncunningham739]

They should lose their tax exemption.

[@marquitaarmstrong399]

Hi Paddington!

[@meander8884]

Chrysto currency 😂😂😂

[@the-salamander4truth]

Caught with billions, buy property and building materials tax free the following year. Folks, property only increases in value. It’s just another way to hold onto money. You have a $100 bucks, you buy a piece of land for a $100 bucks, you still have a $100 bucks. After 10 years, you might have $200 bucks. Such a scam.

[@HeyItsJayHobson]

I love the Magical Pony Platform. Words=Marked

[@marquitaarmstrong399]

Liahona Peak?

[@TEAM__POSEID0N]

That will be one of the names used for their next series of shell companies: "Liahona Peak, LLC"; "New Era Peak, LLC"; "The Friend Peak, LLC"; "Millennial Star Peak, LLC"; "Times and Seasons Peak, LLC"; and "Hooters Peak, LLC". Oh, wait! The last one belongs in a separate Joseph Smith themed set of shell companies. Sorry for the confusion. ;o)