LDS & FLDS Churches - Top 5 Similarities and Differences

[@barupp123]

I'm an active member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and I love your videos. The two of you are so respectful of both the LDS and FLDS cultures, even though you no longer affiliate with either of them. I live in Utah and have always been fascinated by the facets of polygamy. In fact, I see polygamists regularly at the Walmart by my house. Keep up the good work!

[@GrowingUpinPolygamy]

Thank you so much! It means so much to us to know that you can feel our love and respect for the LDS faith and especially the members.

[@mvrooks]

i love this channel. i have spent the last 5 years or so learning about the flds. i have watched a lot of documentaries, news stories, and even cheesy reality television shows on this topic. the best thing is to find people who were previously in the religion and culture talking openly about their experiences. you two do a great job here, and i have learned a lot. many thanks!

[@swedishlina]

Have you watched the Canadian study into polygamy? They are a series of great interviews on how polygamy affected their lives. In was does when Canada was outlawing polygamy due to the Bountiful community

[@amandawilson1024]

I agree!

[@Jleigha]

There aren’t many times where I can share the fun fact that I’m directly related to Hyrum Smith, Joseph Smith’s brother… but here feels like a place where I can drop that little tidbit. I’m not LDS but my grandma and back were all very devout… born and raised in Utah. This is all so interesting to me. Thanks Sam and Melissa!

[@stevebrown7668]

My wife is related to Brigham young and Joseph Smith.

[@GrowingUpinPolygamy]

Wow that is super cool. So much history in your lineage! Thanks for sharing!

[@dianelove8147]

I bet you're a MOSHPIT WICCA NOW ;) Hahaha just playing Seems we're all Anarchist naughty Gen X now ;)

[@embracingthehour9874]

I knew most of the similarities and differences, but as a Christian, I found fascinating the general education of the history of the churches in general. Thank you!

[@UsInSearchOfMeaning]

You two are so interesting to watch. I love what you have to say and your stories are fascinating! I guess it proves that belief is fluid and highly personal. I am atheist, grew up christian and study religion - I love hearing about different faith journeys/doctrines and I love how you guys' personalities shine through your videos. Lots of Love xxxxx

[@rachelcastle8369]

So interesting as always. I love hearing about different religions. Thanks so much for sharing. Have a great weekend 😊

[@GrowingUpinPolygamy]

Thank you! You too!

[@atlramona]

LDS, inc, still practices Celestial Polygamy. Russell Nelson is an example of this as he currently has a wife and she’s made statement on how she and his deceased wife will both be his wives in the eternities. D & C is alive and well, merely with a goalpost moved.

[@tieiatalks]

I remember this when I was a member in the 90s. A high priest said it’s God’s law to be polygamous. 🙃

[@atlramona]

@@tieiatalks if it wasn’t still a commandment, #132 would be removed. Alas, we know the change was all about the money, so I understand why polygamy was justified in the eyes of those fundamentalists especially as new marriages continued into the 1900s, with a wink and a nod.

[@DarkbutNotsinister]

I don’t like the idea of “forever marriage”. I married “till death do us part”, so as soon as I’m dead, I can start dating again!

[@GrowingUpinPolygamy]

You are absolutely right about polygamy in the next life. Both religions believe in celestial polygamy. However, in this earthly life, the LDS won't allow polygamy any more.

[@tonitunes]

I have been on my own spiritual journey trying to decide what is true and what is not. I have watched your video "My Spiritual Journey Since Leaving..." and would love to see more videos like that. Like you I feel that the "true" religion is your relationship with God and not an organized religion, so I just would love to hear you both talk about your own personal beliefs now and how you feel now, do you feel at peace with your beliefs? What about your children? Do you encourage them to learn as much as they can about religion so they can eventually decide for their own how they believe? Just love to see more videos on your own personal beliefs, the both of you.

[@GrowingUpinPolygamy]

Aww thank you. We will have to do more videos like that. =)

[@16jcstratton]

I love this story about FLDS & LDS. ITS TRUE. also there’s some more mainstream by LDS & FLDS. My ancestors were polygamous before spilts FLDS. Right now the LDS are changes and not the same as before. My wife and I left church two years ago. Thanks for sharing!

[@JennyG.COW5]

Thanks for sharing this video! Besides spitting off because of beliefs about Doctrine or Leadership, I didn't realize how similar the FLDS Church was to the LDS Church. Thanks for sharing this video and helping me learn more about these two different perspectives! 😊👍❤️

[@elizas3249]

I went down an FLDS rabbithole ~10-12 years ago (just because I find cults and cult-like religions fascinating from an anthropological perspective, and honestly all religions are kinda culty including the Catholicism I was born and raised in). It was very hard to find really detailed perspectives back then from folks who had lived it. I really appreciate this channel because I feel like I'm learning so much about this rather complex and nuanced religion. Thanks!

[@swedishlina]

I would really recommend watching the Interviews by the Canadian study into polygamy. It was a series that you can find here on KZbin, it was done when Canada was in the process to illegalising polygamy. They are interviews with people who had lived the polygamist lifestyles

[@gabyv8]

It's nice to Mark about both religions. Thank you got the video!

[@Eggs.Benedict.Please]

Great video! Thank you for sharing a list of comparison and contrast for the two religions.

[@indigoblue4791]

Good video, I think it's the first time I've seen both groups contrasted in that way. It was very clear and just the right level of information to understand the general differences. I think it's a good idea to have it explained for people, it avoids confusion and is generally informative. Thank you both.😊👍

[@GrowingUpinPolygamy]

Thank you so much!

[@serobinson1]

Love to see your numbers growing, you guys are awesome

[@GrowingUpinPolygamy]

Thanks so much!!

[@dianefoster4472]

Are you guys ever going to talk about or get into why you are no longer practicing LDS? I find that very interesting !!

[@christansmith9783]

At the beginning of this vid, they state that they are both very active in LDS

[@wanderandwonder121]

@@christansmith9783 They actually already have a video explaining that they no longer are

[@Headstonejess]

Dig into their videos I’m sure they got something in there more on their opinions

[@personalprismatic5972]

I would love this sort of video on the Kingston clan and the AUB… it’s super interesting 🤔

[@GrowingUpinPolygamy]

We are hoping to do a collab video with someone from the Kingston group soon to compare. =)

[@Lemonade_Stand_]

@@GrowingUpinPolygamy Amanda Rae has had someone (Leah Garcia) on her channel from Allreds. It would be cool if we got all of you in one video (maybe via streamyard or something) and compared and contrasted between the three.

[@personalprismatic5972]

@@Lemonade_Stand_ Leah Garcia also has a channel and grew up with the browns from sister wives…

[@Lemonade_Stand_]

@@personalprismatic5972 ya i know she has a channel but it's harder to findm

[@personalprismatic5972]

@@Lemonade_Stand_ find who?

[@Catherine-tb2ss]

I would love to hear more about Sam’s process of joining the LDS church! What was it like to learn doctrine similar yet so different from what he was taught before? Did he need some kind of higher up approval to be baptized since he was FLDS before?

[@GrowingUpinPolygamy]

Great questions! I will put it on the video list!

[@ImagesofJosephSmithJun.]

He did, he met with an Apostle, he is not LDS anymore from a recent video.

[@hannahfort7608]

You know, I would think that the eternal sealing and eternal families would be a huge reason for FLDS women to leave and/or desire to know other religions. The thought of not only enduring the husband she is forced to marry, who may well have 50+ years on her, on earth but after death as well, I would think to be a heart wrenching thought.

[@michelefizer2774]

Hey guys from Virginia! Always love your videos. Thank you! Hope you all and the kiddos have a great weekend. 💜 Edit: im not LDS nor do I wish to be but I still love learning from you all. Please don't take offense to that. I didn't mean it in that way. I wish you guys would read "Unveiling Grace" by Lynn Wilder. Just a thought.

[@GrowingUpinPolygamy]

Thank you so much! I haven't read Lynn's book, but we have watched her KZbin videos and it is wonderful and so interesting!

[@colaw77]

I just watched this video, about Lynn Wilder and others' story and really enjoyed it. kzbin.info/www/bejne/ep2TlGikoZuoapo

[@FredHerrman]

Great video. Thank you for taking this time to explain the similarities and differences.

[@SoulShineLiveMichele]

My history with polygamy has been interesting. 1. When I was 19 I was dating a guy whose dad was a polygamist. I withheld a lot of me because I didn't know what was going to happen religious-wise. He eventually left whichever group he was in and joined the LDS. I don't know what he is doing now. 2. For some reason someone decided to set me up on a blind date with a guy whom I assume was FLDS. It was back in the 90s and I assume he was FLDS because he had a calendar or something with his church leaders and I was so confused that their prophet wasn't functioning (and now I know Warren's dad had some issues) and they had a lot of empty spots in their leadership positions. To my young 23ish brain it didn't make sense. And that at least 3 wives thing. I remember him talking about that. 3. Went out with Sister Missionaries from the LDS church. They were teaching a young lady who was raised in polygamy. That's when I learned that there are many different groups. I also learned some of the steps it would take for her to get baptized. 4. Creepy cousin who tried to brainwash me into being his wife. He admires Warren Jeffs. He now lives in Mexico and finds ways to send me pictures from whatever group he belongs to even though I have blocked him. His group has Christ in the name but that's all I remember. 5. The next one that has been of significance. I have known random people like at institute or whatever. I have a friend who was excommunicated from her group, the Allred group. I talk with her frequently and recently asked her some questions about her experiences. It's interesting talking to her. She has never been baptized LDS and yet tries to tell me about my temples. That's interesting. It is definitely interesting learning from her. Talking to her about how some of the extreme views you share that the FLDS taught were things my grandparents learned but the current generations are letting go of, whereas the FLDS and similar are keeping alive. Anyway, I find it fascinating to hear the different things. You and the other commenters probably really don't care but I felt compelled to say it all. Maybe it was for me in some way.

[@zzzzzzzz3929]

Just watched all your videos! I'm so fascinated with your life story. Keep it up!

[@GrowingUpinPolygamy]

Thank you so much!

[@monicamacneille3372]

I live in Vermont, and used to live in the village of Whitingham, which is the birthplace of Brigham Young! There is a large monument that tour buses come to, but only the locals know about the original monument which sits at the edge of Stimpson Hill Rd. and reads "Here is the birthplace of Brigham Young a man of great courage and superb equipment." We always giggled about the superb equipment allowing him to have so many children... we weren't familiar with the expression.

[@jodystimm2098]

I, love this couple. How, cool are they. So clean- cut&. decent. See:. Old pp. like me there are still moral young people around. May you two, live a thousand years.....

[@aileen2600]

I love your FLDS and LDS stories! I'm interested to know if you guys know much about the FLDS members who live in "The Rock" at Rockland Ranch.

[@TheCuteVamp]

Different sect, different prophets. Many fundamentalists of LDS, even independents.

[@Jenniferalvarez19818]

Thank you so much for this video. I learned so much

[@A.R.Larson]

Thank you so much for sharing all of these details. I would love to know more of what made you decide to quit the LDS church. Are you still on the records?

[@lesliematteis8010]

It’s great to be with your family forever, if your family is kind and loving. However, not all families are supportive. Some are cruel and abusive.

[@GrowingUpinPolygamy]

Aww thanks!

[@JennaClutter]

Yes, very true. The LDS church teaches that families can be together forever if they are righteous and make good choices during their mortal life. Similar to the generic Heaven vs Hell- not everyone goes to Heaven and not every member of a family will be together.

[@janesmith9024]

Another good one. Well done (from an ex (or almost ex) Catholic in the UK)

[@GoldenMom815]

Interesting. My husband and I are both Christians, and we believe we’ll be together in eternity. Just not on our own planet, as I understand LDS/celestial marriage.

[@martah5369]

I was watching the new season of The Good Place the other day and thought it brought a very interesting question about the eschatological state not being final enough if it would be too much like life on earth. I'm a Christian as well but would prefer the mystical descriptions about eternal life, like entering the Joy, add my voice to the Chorus, how God will be all in everything etc, rather than the idea of meeting my family in the sense of like walking around like we did here. I hope for some kind of unification but I sort of hope it will be beyond re-experiencing this state. If that makes sense?

[@maryanne.sanders]

I’ve heard it taught that Christians will be together in eternity, but not in the husband-and-wife sense like we are on Earth.

[@lolanelson9634]

I really hope you don’t get hit with a firestorm of negative comments. It seems like a lot of individuals just love blasting anyone with a difference of belief or opinion. I appreciate you guys being so vulnerable and open with us all. I watched your hometown videos, and remember how massive that temple was. People must have given EVERYTHING that they had to build that! I sure wish that it could be used for something productive. It would be a shame for all those materials go be wasted. Love you two, and again, thanks for sharing your faith with us♥️

[@swedishlina]

Are you talking about the temple they built down in Texas at the yearning for Zion ranch? That whole community has left as the state took control of the property in 2014. His hometown is Colorado city/Hilldale, where they don’t have a temple.

[@kathywilliamson223]

I would like to hear more about Sam's journey right after he left the flds. More specifically his spiritual journey at that time.

[@karbear26]

Very interesting thanks for making the video explaining the differences

[@creativecheersoffashionlau7364]

Very interesting to hear these comparisons. In my country I believe there is no LDS just Christians and some Muslims so it is nice to hear more about. different religions. Thanks for that ! 🙏🏻

[@JennaClutter]

Do you mind if i ask what country are you living in? While the LDS church isn’t in every country, it is worldwide and I’d be curious to find out for you:)

[@creativecheersoffashionlau7364]

@@JennaClutter I saw that there are three churches in my country. So it exists but is jyst a very small group here. My country is not very religious anyway. I think about 40% says to be of any religion.

[@tinab7791]

I'm not LDS but was raised much of my life in the church. I didn't remember the 16 and dating thing but now me having to wait till 16 makes sense lol.

[@teamcougars]

Thank you for another fantastic video There’s also the Le Barons in Mexico their prophet arranged for a murder spree in the early 80’s.

[@kathrynhanson3317]

I love you two. And I am curious about your thoughts about the RLDS.

[@bridgwll]

Great video, but would like to know where & how the Kingston clan fits in also. I hope you can do a collaboration with Amanda

[@DarkbutNotsinister]

The Kingston’s control over their members makes the FLDS look sane. Almost.

[@GrowingUpinPolygamy]

We are hoping to do a collab with Amanda soon!

[@maryanne.sanders]

Question: I’ve followed many LDS “influencers” over the years and they do have strong families and values, but I’ve always unfollowed them because they are extremely materialistic, consumeristic, and are trying to “sell their lives” with links, links, links. (Fast fashion, all the latest trends, and buying all the things). And they’re very successful. I’ve noticed it across the board and have always wondered how they can not feel guilty about their negative impact on the world. Thoughts? Also, I’d love to see a video about how many LDS people participate in MLMs and how so many are founded by LDS! For both of those topics, the LDS (at least the ones I’ve seen online) seem obsessed with money and material things. I’d love your thoughts!

[@maryanne.sanders]

And to follow that up, does the church leadership encourage that behavior?

[@kaylahall1219]

Ok, I think I can answer at least one of these questions. MLMs ! If you are committed to staying home with your children, how do you make money? We believe in being industrious, and I think that is a trait shared by all Joseph Smith church offshoots. Valuing industry. Maximizing your talents and potential. Combine that with a little naïveté, and you have a good breeding ground for MLM. I would also say a good culture for “direct sales” that may or may not have MLM structure as part of their business model. That being said, it would be interesting to see how many stay at home Christian mothers turn to MLMs; aside from just LDS mothers era. 🤔 As far as materialism goes, I don’t know so much that it is a cause for success, or if it is a side effect of success. I would say it is not encouraged. Simplicity is encouraged. As an active LDS, I would say that wealth can be as much a burden or trial as poverty.

[@spacekermit1018]

I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and I agree with your observation, but I think it's mainly a cultural thing that developed. I find MLMs disturbing as well because it's reminds me of the "priest craft," that is actually condemned by the ancient prophets in the Book of Mormon. Some members probably don't agree with me on that. But to clarify preistcraft is what the Book of a Mormon refers to as people that spread certain philosophies or religions to make money and get accolades--even when they know what they are touting is a lie. They put themselves on a pedestal and sell a new lifestyle. So they tend to say what people want to hear and then ask for money and prestige. I didn't notice the trend you are talking about till I moved to Utah, but I guess it's like the Ancient Israelites being drawn to Idol worship. Just because they have been told by God not to do it doesn't mean they won't. Also I think it might be because some people get focused on the worldly blessings that come easier when you are taught to be industrious and educated. That too is ironic because one of the main lessons in the Book Of Mormon aside from Christ visiting the American continent is a pride cycle where the people of the church are blessed because they live Gods laws and then they become rich and then they become prideful and scornful of the poor and then they start being exclusionary and then they stop being righteous and end up losing their wealth. But I think a lot of these MLM people are probably fraudulent in many ways. I think sometimes being LDS I take for granted that people in my church will be kind and generous and not praying upon me. But when a lady with all the fancy things tries to be my friend so she can sell me overpriced crap I can't afford, I have a hard time not being offended. So I refuse to engage in those kinds of ways of making money if I can help it. To be fair some Mormons have big families so it takes a lot to feed them so they have to be creative sometimes and maybe they can justify peddling nonsense on the internet.

[@Ninawillis_]

Thank you for sharing. I’m wondering what is the motivation to want to be eternally sealed to a spouse or family that might not be kind? Have you known people that have left either LDS or FLDS because they did not want to be sealed to their spouse forever? If the struggles of earth are temporary, what is the benefit of being with an unkind spouse in the afterlife? I hope this question makes sense ☺️

[@wanderandwonder121]

This is the same sort of question I was thinking about!

[@sherreepeterson3496]

This video really helped me to understand the situation, so interesting. Love your channel and your beautiful family. I’m going to Henderson NV next week, any recommendation on good restaurants there?

[@colaw77]

The Claim Jumper restaurant used to be good when I lived there about 10 years ago.

[@mariamunroe1515]

Hi, love u both, I do wish your videos were a little longer..., I understand your probably very busy with life, but if u have a chance I would love to hear more about your current spiritual journey , therefore it might have to include more than one video per week, If you both have the time it would be nice..., my message to the world is please be humble and kind don't judge, and help someone if u are able too., God bless all

[@GrowingUpinPolygamy]

Aww thank you. We appreciate everyone's support in our journey. We always wonder if people would get sick of us if we did more than one video per week haha. It is nice to hear that you wouldn't. =)

[@A.R.Larson]

@@GrowingUpinPolygamy I love your videos! Make more each week

[@henkaistudio]

@@GrowingUpinPolygamy Mormons and Fundamentalist Mormons are Fake Christians and believe in a different Jesus and not the Jesus of the Bible they believe in a different Jesus known as The Mormon Jesus who is a FalseChrist/AntiChrist and The Mormon Jesus is a polygamist and have a spirit brother named Satan as well.

[@Freedom-nu5kp]

How did they reconcile Christ's words with believing in marriage after death? Matthew 22:23 On the same day there came to him the Sadducees, who say that there is no coming back from the dead: and they put a question to him, saying, 24 Master, Moses said, If a man, at the time of his death, has no children, let his brother take his wife, and get a family for his brother; 25 Now there were among us seven brothers; and the first was married and at his death, having no seed, gave his wife to his brother; 26 In the same way the second and the third, up to the seventh. 27 And last of all the woman came to her end. 28 When they come back from the dead, then, whose wife will she be of the seven? because they all had her. 29 But Jesus said to them in answer, You are in error, not having knowledge of the Writings, or of the power of God. 30 For when they come back from the dead there are no husbands and wives, but they are as the angels in heaven.

[@wanderandwonder121]

As far as I am aware, LDS believe that only the Book of Mormon is inerrant and that the Bible has been corrupted so if there is disagreement between them, they refer to the Book of Mormon over the Bible.

[@Freedom-nu5kp]

@@wanderandwonder121 Hmm..but they take Bible verses to "prove" the book of Mormon and their doctrines, offer up Bibles to everyone and roam the world with a KJV in their hands. 👀

[@wanderandwonder121]

@@Freedom-nu5kp Yes and they often completely remove the context from the Biblical verses they handpick to "prove" the Book of Mormon. I commented what I have heard from LDS friends and missionaries and what I read from a former LDS family who became Christians - from the book "Unveiling Grace" by Lynn Wilder, former professor at BYU.

[@AmyCH102]

I am also learning a lot about the LDS from these videos. Could you explain more about Wards sometime? Are you basically "assigned" a church / church service to attend?

[@whitajeman]

Yes the ward you are assigned to is based on the place you live. Its actually one of the things I loved about the LDS church because your congregation is a small group of your neighbors.

[@amecocoa3829]

Regarding marriage, if one partner is LDS and the other is not, is the marriage sanctified by the church, or does the prospective partner allowed to convert? With FLDS not allowing marriage, that would result in a lower birth rate and less prospective members. Is FLDS doomed to die off like the Shakers did? Thank you for another informative video. Both of you are very respecrful of belief systems, that it helps me to learn. Looking forward to your next vlog.

[@swedishlina]

They are considered mix orientation marriages, they can not be married in the temple, which all LDS strive to be. However they are recognised by the church, just not as “good” as a temple marriage. The partner is allowed to convert it they do want, it does require several steps. It would take some time before they would be would be able to get a temple recommend, which would be required to have a temple sealing.

[@TheMegan1021]

Very interesting video! Thanks for sharing!! Made me think of a question..where is your family and other polymagous families that used to live in Colorado City/Hilldale now?

[@swedishlina]

Many of them have moved to compounds in South Dakota, Minnesota, Colorado and other places.

[@novied5871]

A few years ago I was with a sister missionary from my ward (so The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints). Anyways we knock on this door and a lady wearing typical attire from the flds church opens the door. After introductions the lady saids "Oh I am Mormon". Well we left it at that and left. Oh I live in Kansas but it wasn't a huge surprise to see that lady. That's because every once in a while I'll see a group of them shopping at the local Walmart.

[@mollytaylor2122]

What I learned in history class is that the early Morman church basically traded polygamy for Utah's statehood. The US gov wasn't down with polygamy, and by switching to monogamy they became more palatable to the US gov, I guess. What's the LDS and FLDS's takes on that bit of history?

[@pszczolka80]

I'd expect that the FLDS' take on it should be quite simple: that's probably at least part of the justification for the FLDS splitting and following a new prophet. It takes a lot of balls to doubt the word of a prophet (or to believe one over another), if you genuinely believe they are supposed to be conveying the word of God, but if the 2nd prophet can point to that type of evidence that the 1st prophet has been "corrupted by earthly considerations", it gives them much more of a leg to stand on. I would definitely be curious to know how the mainstream LDS deals with it, though.

[@spacekermit1018]

@@pszczolka80 As a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and what I've studied and read about my churches history I would say God told them to end the practice for more than just that reason alone. I know the statehood thing happened, but I think another part of it was keeping their temples open. They had the goal of spreading the restored gospel throughout the world and if the government shuts you down you can't keep building temples and doing ordinances for the dead--baptism and sealings and endowments. I think you aren't wrong but it was more than just wanting statehood. What's interesting is the scriptures of the LDS church is that the Book of Mormon only mentions monogamy and there is a specific instance where the Book of Mormon people are told to stop cheating on their wives. The practice of polygamy was revealed to Joseph Smith in a revelation and is published in the Doctrine and Covenants. The story goes that Joseph Smith wanted to know why Abraham was allowed to have more than one wife, because it was considered wrong by his standards at the time. So he prayed for revelation and was told that when God needs it to be practiced for his own purposes that it is commanded. So because Abraham was supposed to have offspring that would become mighty nations God wanted him to have more than one wife. Then Joseph Smith was commanded to start practicing it, and he didn't really want to so he drug his feet and did it kind of secretly. It's controversial for sure. I don't know anything about FLDS. But it confuses me to see how much the practices of the two church's vary if they have the same set of scriptures and I wonder if they have a different version of the history.

[@dawgah]

@@pszczolka80 we usually look at Jacob 2:30 in the BoM, which says that polygamy is commanded as long as God commands it. Which is communicated thru His prophet.

[@awakening2979]

I would like to hear about when and why you left the LDS church.

[@rebeccab-b1175]

Great video as usual! I do have a question/comment. My understanding is that the current LDS church president is technically a polygamist. His first wife died and he is sealed to a second wife. Doesn’t that mean he will be a polygamist in eternity? So technically an LDS man cannot be a polygamist in this lifetime but can be in the next life?

[@spacekermit1018]

Yep. That's true. Not my favorite doctrine as a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, but that's why I plan to outlive my husband. Lol!

[@TheCuteVamp]

As long as it is the woman’s first marriage, yup.

[@lifeofriley8160]

Fascinating

[@robmullin1128]

I went on eBay and bought this book called "Jesus Christ's Message to All Nations" written by Warren Jeff's. I bought it to see what he would have to say from his prison cell. I noticed that each sentence is numbered as a verse in the Bible would be. It is also the wording and sentence structure is so odd and at times hard to follow. Would this book be considered scripture in the FLDS?

[@GrowingUpinPolygamy]

Yes, anything the prophet says is believed to be direct word from God, and can be considered scripture.

[@tammygallup4021]

One very important thing to know is that the King James Bible that the LDS and flds read had been altered about 10% of the Bible. So that makes Jesus dying on the cross for our sins so that we can go to heaven null and void. Very important to not purchase a Bible from the LDS flds bookstores

[@ANNEWHETSTONE]

Im not sure what had happened but we were stuck in a town once with time to kill and saw a 'Christian' book store. My sisters and i love to read and thought we would buy a book or 2. We didn't recognize any of the authors. Took us a bit to realize it was an LDS book store!! We walked out and looked at the sign again. Sure enough! We had zoned in to the Christian part and not the rest!! We had no idea that they had separate book stores!! But now we do!!

[@michaelprivett5625]

You said that JESUS CHRIST APPEARED TO Joseph Smith i always was told it was an angel called Maroni which is the golden statue at the top of the Morman church steeple am i wrong

[@pamelavargas6811]

I attended LDS for a very short time...I was raised in the Methodist Church and Catholic Church....as a divorced woman in a second marriage I soon realized I would never be able to achieve the fulfillment the LDS church Claims is possible

[@dollsNcats]

I grew up Catholic but my husband grew up LDS (he isn’t active though) and I remember when I was going to get married someome was like “what number wife are you “ I think I said “I’m 7 Or 8” 😂😂😂😂😂 “did you marry into a cult” ? 😆

[@GrowingUpinPolygamy]

Haha that's awesome. Sometimes you have to play into it and have fun. =)

[@castledoctrine1548]

According to something I read (it might have been in Scattering of the Saints: Schism within Mormonism, but maybe not..), the FLDS membership is much, much smaller than independent Mormon fundamentalists.

[@Lemonade_Stand_]

You mentioned plural marriages can still happen in afterlife, does that go for both men and women? Like if a women remarries after her husband passes away will she then have two husbands in the afterlife or does it only apply if the husband remarries?

[@amandawilson1024]

I'm also curious about this! Maybe this is too far down the rabbit hole, but are kids sealed to their parents or are parents sealed to their kids? If a family is broken up, are they unsealed? If a patriarch is excommunicated (I assume they aren't going to heaven then?) Do the moms with their kids still get to progress to heaven?

[@spacekermit1018]

No. Just plural wives. Not plural husbands. So a man can be sealed to a second wife, but a woman cannot without divorcing her first husband. A woman can't have two husbands. I used to think this was unfair, but now that I have one husband I'm totally ok with not having more! Lol!

[@irishcowgirl21]

My husband briefly saw the video and said that you look familiar, Melissa

[@kathleeenmcclintock4931]

Want to know how flds handles 1Tim 3:2 and 3:12 ? Also Gal 1:8?

[@kathleeenmcclintock4931]

I understand these may be doctrinal questions and this may not be the format to ask them. As it is not the intention of your channel. Have just always wanted to know. So admire the loving and respectful way you talk about your family. You two are awesome!

[@OJackieO]

Have any LDS or FLDS prophets fallen and been removed?

[@GrowingUpinPolygamy]

Not really because any time that a group of people think that a prophet has fallen, that group normally assigns a new prophet and becomes their own group by splitting from the church.

[@spacekermit1018]

The LDS church has had apostles removed in the past, but not the prophet so far.

[@deniseflygirl]

I am interested in understanding how FLDS can put so much stock into a another single man as an infallible prophet, when man is clearly fallible by nature. Isn’t that the main reason the Centennial Park group split from the group who became FLDS before FLDS was known by that name… because CP believes in having a counsel vs single-man rule? I also don’t quite understand how a new prophet is determined after the current one dies. Because many people can claim God is speaking to them. It’s just a matter of who the group believes it is happening to. 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@Familylawgroup]

Can you do a video on AUB?

[@kathywilliamson223]

Do the off set groups (kingston etc) have their own prophets?

[@michellesunshinestar]

I was so mad that when we were divorced we were still considered married.

[@Lesterfaye81]

I had a friend in college whose step-dad was Mormon. He was never going to be fully rid of his ex wife--- and his wife was an Episcopalian and not coming over, so family separation?

[@spacekermit1018]

Is the Book Of Mormon and the Doctrine and Covanants the same version for the FLDS as the LDS? I'm LDS so I just wonder how the FLDS apply the chapters in the Book Of Mormon where the Nephites are told to only have one wife because the men were breaking their wives hearts by having concubines. My understanding of the LDS church is that we believe polygamy as a circumstantial sort of practice and not a general rule for everyone, as in when it's necessary for Gods purposes it is commanded for some by God to practice it, but not as a general rule for everyone. So when Abraham took Sarah's servant Hagar as a wife he wasn't breaking any of Gods laws because God commanded it. Is that the case for the FLDS? Do they think all marriages should be polygamous or just a select few who are supposed to have many descendants?

[@unpopularopinions9076]

How come the FLDS and LDS King James Bible is different than the original King James translation? (See John 1:1) It’s a slight difference semantically but it makes a world of difference for the fundamental beliefs of the two.

[@JennaClutter]

LDS King James Bible John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. What does the original King James translation say?

[@swedishlina]

When Joseph Smith created the religion he had a KJ bible that contained mistakes, when he then released his version of the KJ bible for the LDS he did make changes as well inserting his on footnotes to change it to suit his purpose.

[@unpopularopinions9076]

@@JennaClutter I was mistaken. An old copy of LDS literature I received stated that the LDS translation was: “In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was A GOD.” The copy could have been incorrect. I just double checked the LDS website. Thank you for showing me this!

[@unpopularopinions9076]

@@swedishlina Great to know! Thank you

[@wanderandwonder121]

@@unpopularopinions9076 I think the LDS literature changes with their changing President/Prophet as they believe he continues to receive revelations from God, so it is possible they used to abide by the translation in the LDS literature you have.

[@Stark_dan97]

Can you guys do the FLDS and the Kingston group aka the order similarities and differences

[@GrowingUpinPolygamy]

We are actually filming a video with an ex Kingston member this weekend! It should be released October 22nd so stay tuned! =)

[@Stark_dan97]

@@GrowingUpinPolygamy I’ll be in California that day I’ll still try to watch! I have to confess before I watched escaping polygamy I only knew of the FLDS I did watch sister wives I thought they were independent polygamists I didn’t know they were the AUB

[@meg5898]

What happens if you’re in the FLDS but can’t have kids?

[@dominique___1980]

It's kind of a nickname ... that was a brand... and a lot of money and effort were expended to brand "Mormon". Not sure why the modern Profits (sic intentional) insist that "we are not mormons" nowadays. I mean .. on my mission, the main video we showed to get people interested was, "Meet The Mormons". It's all bollocks. Interesting video, y'all. But it's still 100% bollocks. Would also be lovely if you'd talk about all the other break-offs, especially after JSJ was killed. I lived in a small bible-belt town on my mission and there were FOUR "Mormon Churces"; LDS, FLDS, Strangite, and RLDS.

[@EarthborneArt]

If your marriage is sealed for eternity, what happens if your partner becomes mentally and physically abusive or commits adultery? Are you allowed to unseal it? Is divorce an option? Thanks for the interesting discussion.

[@spacekermit1018]

In the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints you can be divorced or have the sealing removed. But the sealing wouldn't apply to someone that never repents of those things. They are sinful and condemned by God.

[@13UB187]

Do one on Brigham Young's racist doctrines and teachings. How he compared native Americans to African Americans. I think it's called the curse of Cain.

[@saintjames9226]

What if it's all true and Warren Jeffs really does speak for Jesus Christ? I mean God only saved 8 people before the flood and he says when he comes back a second time, it'll be like the days of Noah.

[@catherinebearden6746]

I would like to know if either religions believe that Jesus is God

[@FindingBalance7]

Joseph Boasting about himself being Better than Jesus & His Apostles Joseph Smith Come on! ye prosecutors! ye false swearers! All hell, boil over! Ye burning mountains, roll down your lava! for I will come out on top at last. I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter‑day Saints never ran away from me yet...When they can get rid of me, the devil will also go. Joseph Smith, History of the Church, Vol. 6, p. 408, 409

[@pszczolka80]

I have a question that I've always wondered about the Book of Mormon/Bible thing - why are they two separate books (in the sense of the physical document, as I know that sections within the Bible are also referred to as "books")? If the LDS saw the BoM as another testament of Jesus, why did they not incorporate it as an additional book into their own version of the Bible, making one comprehensive document like the Christians did with the old and new testaments? I'm interesting to know if anyone knows the thinking on this, or do Mormons just not question it and therefore it's never been answered? Additionally, if it's the sort of thing that has simply never been dealt with by the LDS church, I'm curious to to know, from the perspective of you or any other ex-Mormons in the comments, whether having the church saying that the BoM is a testament of Jesus but treating it as separate (and perhaps by extension lesser) to the established testaments played any role in the doubts that eventually lead to your leaving?

[@wanderandwonder121]

As far as I am aware, LDS believe that only the Book of Mormon is inerrant and that the Bible has been corrupted (as a result of their beliefs about translations). So if there is disagreement between them, they refer to the Book of Mormon over the Bible, which may be why they treat them separately. I think they do sell a single physical book which contains the four "books" which make up their scriptural canon: Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, the Pearl of Great Price, and the Bible. I have heard they only use the New Testament and refer to that as the "Bible" but I am not sure to what extent that is accurate. Another difference is that the Christian Bible (Old and New Testaments, sometimes with Apocrypha) is more like a compilation of different types of literature (poems, histories, proverbs, letters) from many authors across the centuries which together reveals one unified story about God and creation, hence one book with separate "books" inside. I think that LDS believe the Book of Mormon was written by several prophets in the Americas and lost, but then was perfectly and miraculously found and translated into English by Joseph Smith in the 1820s from gold plates which only he and a few others saw.

[@pszczolka80]

@@wanderandwonder121 OK, I had no idea that they consider the Bible not to necessarily be the ultimate authority - you're right, that could well have something to do with it. Very interesting, thank you.

[@spacekermit1018]

Sometimes they do put them all in one physical book and they call it a Quadruple Combination because it has all the scriptures in one and it's HUGE! It has the King James Version of the Bible, the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants and the Pearl of Great Price. The Doctrine and Covenants is full of modern revelation that mostly came from Joseph Smiths time. The Pearl of Great Price has revelations where Joseph Smith wrote the account of a Book of Moses and a Book of Abraham. The origins of those are complicated. Look it up if you want to know where they came from because it's kind of a weird story to me.

[@katego370]

I don't get it. Why don't LDS'ers like to call themselves Mormon if their own holy book is called the book of Mormon? Doesn't that make the word "Mormon" one of the most cherished words?

[@timovesterinen3611]

Do they have endowments in flds?

[@gerber4054]

Did they teach about Joseph Smith practicing polygamy and polyandry? What was the story about the translation or now revelation story? Growing up LDS they didn’t properly teach either.

[@karenouillette3156]

Check out mormon stories john delynn

[@gerber4054]

@@karenouillette3156 Mormon Stories is primarily to cover LDS members and their experience. Which I have enjoyed over the years. I’m specifically asking about the narrative that FLDS members got in comparison.

[@swedishlina]

Yes, the FLDS does teach more of the truth about the start of the LDS faith, it is something they take pride in. They haven’t whitewashed the history of the church like the current lds has

[@spacekermit1018]

@@swedishlina prove that. My understanding is the FLDS didn't branch off till later. So why would they have the original version of history? What KZbin video provided you with such knowledge. Documents? Links? I have heard the current LDS is working to be more transparent about its history so I want to see how you know this. Have you visited the LDS website to verify what we currently teach and compared it to the church history books published in the 1970s? Because I have. And they are still the same. When did they start white washing? Give me a date.

[@FindingBalance7]

How can you Know if a person claiming to be a prophet of God isn’t a false prophet? What they Prophesied doesn’t come true I prophesy in the name of the Lord God, .. the Son of Man will not come in the clouds of heaven till I am eighty‑five years old.... [T]he 14th chapter of Revelation... The hour of his judgement is come .... After ... 2,520 years; which brings it to 1890. Joseph Smith, History of the Church, v5, p 336; Doctrine and Covenants 130:14‑17

[@mindybeller6011]

Have you seen the musical Book of Mormon? What are your reactions to it?

[@GrowingUpinPolygamy]

We have not. =)

[@Stark_dan97]

Can you guys do polygamist groups state by state

[@TheDmario1234]

it saddens me to see flds to leave and rebel from the flds. then to just come full circle and a more normalized version of the them.

[@FindingBalance7]

Joseph Smith I see no faults in the Church, and therefore let me be resurrected with the Saints, whether I ascend to heaven or descend to hell, or go to any other place. And if we go to hell, we will turn the devils out of doors and make a heaven of it. Joseph Smith, History of the Church 5:517; Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 316 Joseph Smith I

[@markomarko2323]

Such a handsome man 🤩🤩

[@michellesunshinestar]

I never know what to call Mormons. The formal name: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is too long. I want to respect them though.

[@esthekatie]

I think just “LDS” is acceptable to most

[@MichaelMcbratney]

First off, why would anybody leave one form of cultism for another????

[@ChrisMilton74]

Is Warren Jeffs not allowing marriages because he himself is forced to live celibate while in jail for life?

[@milobickmore1053]

You look just like Joseph Smith man .

[@FindingBalance7]

Guess he was wrong This didn’t come to pass Joseph Smith My Son, if thou livest until though art eight‑five years of age [i.e., December 1890], thou shalt see the face of the Son of Man.... in the name of the Lord God, and let it be written ‑ the Son of Man will not come in the clouds of heaven till I am eighty‑five years old. Joseph Smith, History of the Church, v. 5, p. 324

[@katlizski]

👋

[@TheCuteVamp]

‘For time and enterity”- women can only be sealed to one man for enterity, multiple for time. No limits for guys though.

[@kellinmoore2146]

They may as well just read a story book

[@FindingBalance7]

Joseph made Rule for Thee but Not for him apparently Joseph Smith Called at the office and drank a glass of wine with Sister Jenetta Richards, made by her mother in England, and reviewed a portion of the conference minutes. Joseph Smith, Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr., History of the Church, v. 5, p. 380, Wednesday, May 3, 1843 Joseph Smith We then partook of some refreshments, and our hearts were made glad with the fruit of the vine. This is according to the pattern set by our Savior Himself, and we feel disposed to patronize all the institutions of heaven. Joseph Smith, Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr., History of the Church, v. 2, p. 369, Thursday, January 14, 1836 Joseph Smith Drank a glass of beer at Moessers. Joseph Smith, Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr., History of the Church, June 1, 1844 Joseph Smith April 17.‑ This day the Twelve blessed and drank a bottle of wine at Penworthan, made by Mother Moon forty years before. Joseph Smith, Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr., History of the Church, v. 4, p. 120, Friday, April 17, 1840

[@FindingBalance7]

Did you Know Muhammad The Prophet from Islam/ Muslims Also Got his revelation from an Angel to write the Quaran? Did you know that’s Why the Bible warns about Another Gospel and That Satan Masquerades as an Angel of Light and that is why We are Not to Accept nor listen to these types of Revelations nor accept them, and to Call them out as False Prophets, False Apostles & False Teachers?

[@laurapionke8401]

Statehood????

[@swedishlina]

Utah wasn’t part of the United States at the time, they were a territory. They wanted to join in to US, but since polygamy was outlawed in the us, they swore off it. They called it a revelation from god, but it had all to do with joining us. They did say they would stop but they didn’t at first, it was only once the us really got into checking up on them that they did stop. I hope that explains the statehood question. 😊

[@laurapionke8401]

Thank you

[@helenafarkas4534]

Question: if a LDS spouse dies, and the surviving spouse remarries, since LDS marriages last for eternity, does that qualify as polygamy?

[@swedishlina]

Only as celestial polygamy, still very creepy though

[@FindingBalance7]

The FLDS Took Joseph’s words as Truth about Racism 3 Joseph Smith Had I anything to do with the negro, I would confine them by strict law to their own species and put them on a national equalization. Joseph Smith, History of the Church, Volume 5, pages 218 ‑ 219

[@FindingBalance7]

Words from your True prophet Joseph Smith What a strange people these Mormons are. They are like a flock of sheep; if I should jump into hell, I believe they would follow me! Joseph Smith, (on the block‑voting of Mormons) Macomb Journal, January 25, 1877, p. 2, Politics and Mormons