Lead Attorney, Jeffrey Kessler, Explains 23XI and Front Row's Antitrust Lawsuit Against NASCAR

[@stephenlea5765]

Anyone who didn’t see this coming was not paying attention.

[@OrganizedMess0025]

Nascar def saw this coming, which is why they included provisions barring teams from taking any litigation against nascar, which might be the thing that bites them in the ass in the end. No private entity should be allowed to dictate whether a person or another entity can sue, only the justice system should be the ones to decide the merits of any criminal or civil case.

[@rowleyp1]

@@OrganizedMess0025 Yet it happens all of the time. Hold Harmless clauses, Severance Agreements, Arbitration provisions, etc. All of which are built into employment and business contracts to dictate when and who can litigate.

[@HoldMyBluntNascar]

@stephenlea5765 I actually heard this before seeing it

[@raymondsimmons4916]

While their at it go ahead and sue them for False Advertising. The Name Says What? And Stands For What? Show me one Stock Car on that track other than the Pace Car in the last 35yrs or so. OH and stop saying NASCAR made this or that decision, name the person that made the call by name to take responsibility for their actions during a race. You get called out at any other job.

[@anitagarrison6916]

I predict that this will be Dirty Mo Media's most viewed video ever!!

[@billgoodwin8742]

I can tell you this, there is no way NASCAR is willing to open up it's books for everyone to see! They will do everything they can to prevent that from happening.

[@greggparsons135]

Just like tRump

[@bengonzalez5673]

What is nuts is the fact that 9 out of the 15 teams in 2016 is now out of business

[@bluedog373]

Yeh well covid didn't help. Some of them were on the way out already. How many teams came and went from 2000 to 2015 ?

[@PaperBanjo64]

​@bluedog373 charters couldn't even save Furniture Row! Lost their sponsors and shut down and that was during a good economy!

[@TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsCunt]

​@@bluedog373 They came and went from 2000 to 2015 because of... what exactly? These unfair business practices by NASCAR have been going on for decades, not just since 2016. A team shouldn't have to be on financial life support just to field cars.

[@walkerking3875]

because of kamala's failed economy

[@TheManglerX]

Many cashed out with the money received from the sale of the Charters that NASCAR gifted them.

[@revvyhevvy]

Great reporting! Thanks, Carla!

[@smarternu]

Who is the woman hosting? Really good clear voice, well spoken.

[@sprintcar-acematt5175]

Amy Earnhardt

[@stephenlea5765]

@@smarternu Carla Gebhart. She has the DJD Reloded podcast & I think a local reporter.

[@smarternu]

@@stephenlea5765 She is bright.

[@virginiacave9888]

@@sprintcar-acematt5175her first name is Carla

[@jk9300111]

@@sprintcar-acematt5175 No it's not

[@thatscreamerhunna]

THIS IS HUGE!!!

[@HoldMyBluntNascar]

I 👃

[@farout1220]

This the Biggest Nascar News in a little over 20 years hit NASCAR today, and this Lawyer Is Bigger and Badder than The France Family...

[@SamAuxierJr]

They are going to payoff the judge LOL ?? I am glade I don't have you guys for a lawyer

[@peopleschampgarage7869]

& MJ has deeper pockets than France 😂👍

[@earllewis7935]

​. DOUBT THAT. Michael J will burn on this one...

[@trev3971]

@@earllewis7935 Kessler took down the NFL and NCAA. NASCAR is peanuts in comparison.

[@Wayne_Nero]

This is statement is 100% on the money…

[@Suffolk_Jason]

None of this would have happened if NASCAR had just stuck to the old open system that worked so good for 60 years.

[@quigleymotorsports]

none of this would have happened if they didnt welcome MJ in with open arms for diversity... what did you think that team was for?

[@thomas7804]

yep ​@@quigleymotorsports

[@SliceofAnime]

@@quigleymotorsportsthen why is Front Row apart of this lawsuit too?

[@mikephillips5541]

The charters actually help, teams can sell the charter and get money back. The old system a team quitting would only get maybe 200k for 2 million worth of equipment

[@Suffolk_Jason]

@@mikephillips5541 understood, I was just saying that no lawsuits of this sort would have happened if the sanctioning body had kept the sport like it was before the charters. We had every dollar laid out on an entry blank for every event and everybody could try to get their piece of that pie. Including tv money. It was simple and anybody that could field a car could compete for the prize. This lawsuit wouldn’t even have merit back then and it wasn’t too long ago.

[@ILSRWY4]

This is what is hurting Indycar.... NASCAR ties up the oval tracks and Indycar cant get dates or reasonable track fees. As mentioned it doesn't allow drivers to run in other series... we saw that with Kyle Larson at Indy last year.

[@giafoneozu9998]

not only indy car literally any racing series can't run on france tracks... they need to be in jail locked up for decades and some smart person need to be put in place to run it (please no team boss we seen how this worked with cart...)

[@bluedog373]

Indycar has no interest in running on any of those tracks.

[@giafoneozu9998]

@@bluedog373 Of course not when it costs more then they make from it!

[@DJ_Mooseknucks]

It's a shame because seeing Indy run at Darlington or Michigan, maybe even Dover, would be really fun to watch.

[@giafoneozu9998]

@@DJ_Mooseknucks yes, they even ran michigan before, but sadly stopped! Instead they went to las vegas and we all know how that ended... RIP Dan

[@wallyirallac9433]

I never cared for the France family.

[@akmurf7429]

They are a big part of what is so wrong with America these days. Greed!

[@mntlblok]

Not even Brian?? 🙂

[@CapstoneTider]

I liked Twitter's Drunken Brian France.

[@chevyblock550]

Anyone who pays attention knows how nasty and more controlling the NASCAR sanctioning body has become. It's brutal. We feel it all the way down to the local track level with the weekly series racing.

[@MarkHarper-ek8ss]

Now they're up against somebody that has cloud and they can't bully because you messing with a billionaire Bravo front row Mr Hendricks you should have been there with them you're missing out on changing The Narrative of nasty NASCAR body this time they're going up against the Juggernaut that has quadrupled the money they got Jordan billionaire and the lawsuit will turn out in their favor watch and see front row 23x Bravo bravo

[@OrganizedMess0025]

I blame nascar majorly for the reason indycar only has one high speed oval in the schedule, being Indy itself and that’s it. Break up nascar and isc so nascar doesn’t have direct ownership of a major chunk of high speed ovals in this country. Also look at breaking up Imsa and nascar so that imsa isn’t directly owned by nascar themselves.

[@1320crusier]

Yikes... DO you believe this could turn into a class action?

[@alexmaccain2362]

@@OrganizedMess0025 Nascar still owns imsa, then you won't have Daytona 500

[@1320crusier]

@@OrganizedMess0025 NASCAR has been good for IMSA. IMSA wouldnt even exist without them.

[@eljefe62]

It's really interesting how different the commentary is here as opposed to on SiriusXM. If successful, the lawyers will certainly be the winners $$$$$$$$.

[@1400hpnextgen7]

How can I find the Sirius xm commentary?

[@PaperBanjo64]

​@1400hpnextgen7 let me guess Dave Moody acting tough saying NASCAR will win?

[@DerrickRG]

​@@PaperBanjo64Moody is such a shill 🤡

[@SGNbuff]

@@PaperBanjo64 Dave Moody, the know-it-all who is never wrong! 😄

[@PaperBanjo64]

@SGNbuff he's as bad as that one guy in the comments but if they gave him a radio show...we all know I'm talking about he insults people and calls them clowns...

[@EnvirotekCleaningSystems]

The downfall of NA$CAR began when NA$CAR started taking money from sponsors to become the official "X" of NA$CAR without having to sponsor a team. That took millions of dollars from the teams and put it directly into the bank accounts of NA$CAR.

[@SamAuxierJr]

DOWN FALL What a no brains statement

[@H0LLOW_PRIV]

See i don't get why yall want this to be looked at as a "downfall of nascar" type thing instead of making it better.

[@ericjaysmusicpromotion957]

Its the woke ruining sports again

[@EnvirotekCleaningSystems]

@@H0LLOW_PRIV Because the teams are suffering while NA$CAR is continuing to suck up all the money. Hendrick isn't making money. If they aren't, no one is. How can we have a strong sport where the participants aren't making money? Especially a sport that is as capital intensive as racing. No one goes to the races to see NA$CAR banners. No one goes to see a Ford or Chevy either. You go to see your favorite drive put a whipping on the field. Back in the day when Nascar was formed, it was to ensure that the tracks paid the drivers after the race. That is no longer an issue. The sport would be far better off if the teams owned the sport like the rest of the major sports in America. Nascar should go away and the teams should get together and have a commissioner and that commissioner can do exactly what NASCAR does now without taking all of the money. Nascar is nothing but a middleman and the teams are a hell of a lot more sophisticated today than they were in the 40's and 50's. The teams are plenty able to ban together and hire people to do every single thing Nascar does and instead of that money going directly to the France family, it should be going to the teams that make the whole thing possible.

[@7viewerlogic670]

Good point.

[@alvarsdzenis4739]

NASCAR, Fair?? Never heard those two words together before.

[@chuxtuff]

That's highly oxymoronish...

[@giafoneozu9998]

just think about caution lights going on or not depending on who is where on the track ....

[@HoldMyBluntNascar]

@alvarsdzenis4739 Nascar has fairest wheels at a some tracks

[@TheSaturnV]

Don't care for Denny Hamlin one bit, but I have to respect him on this one. Standing up to NASCRAP in the middle of what could be one of his few remaining shots at the championship. That takes some moxie.

[@burnout_2017]

Those championships dont mean squat with the contrived championship format being used

[@jasonwilliams6846]

First guy through the door always gets bloody. I stand with 23XI

[@quigleymotorsports]

you stand with a team that if they win, will never win a nascar race again, and damn sure never win a championship. that team will take millions and leave if they win. soo good luck standing with them- make sure you leave when they do.

[@SamAuxierJr]

Foolish

[@jasonwilliams6846]

@@quigleymotorsports spoken like a true hater. I’m sure you hate Bubba Wallace as well from your tone. We need less fans like you in the sport. I’m sure your not one, but love to open your mouth when it’s unnecessary.

[@lewiskemp5893]

Me too. And I don't even like denny

[@lewiskemp5893]

​@@jasonwilliams6846 lol. I hate bubba since that BS at Talladega with the rope to pull a garage down. I've used a lot of ropes to pull down doors in body shop😢😢. He's been worse since. But I back them in this says this former Hendrick employee

[@bryonkidder6199]

Seems like now would be a good time to bring back the ASA Series...lol

[@scottburrow8717]

Good for 23XI and front row for standing up!!

[@johnhaas2523]

They're going to regret poking the bear

[@NASCARShill]

I hope the France family will put them back in their place. This type of insolence cannot be tolerated.

[@yelahammer]

@@johnhaas2523Kessler wouldn’t have taken the case if didn’t know it was a lock to win this case. He’s the best anti trust lawyer in the country

[@rbutler1519]

John the only one that’s going to have any regret is the France family. When judges rip their baby from their hands. Greed needs to be punished.

[@earllewis7935]

​@johnhaas2523 exactly! Hopefully Michael J gets kicked out of Nascar !!!

[@tomhugley5615]

NASCAR “greed” ran off all the fans. Now they are to the point that the teams have “had it” and are obviously feeling trapped, strapped and willing to risk being pushed out. Not good for anybody, including the fans.

[@DJ_Mooseknucks]

They've also spoiled the product on track. The new gen car has worsened the racing at a lot places, and stage racing is a bogus fabrication. There are guys in the 10-20 finishing position with as many points as some in the top 10, even top 5.

[@butterbeanfarmer7952]

Nascar sure did screw up in the last 20 years! Earnhardt 3

[@OrganizedMess0025]

It all started with abandoning full season points battles and instituting a chase/playoffs. That’s when nascar lost touch.

[@butterbeanfarmer7952]

@OrganizedMess0025 that and getting away from short tracks where action is. I have so many friends that were dedicated on Sunday but don't even pay attention to the race anymore

[@debbiekatsanos6836]

@@OrganizedMess0025 Thank Brian Z for that. His desire to own a major league sports team prompted his dumb desires to change the NASCAR rules to resemble one.

[@alexmaccain2362]

@@butterbeanfarmer7952short tracks sucks. Why you want that? Roadcources are we're the skills are

[@djmohab2]

Godhardt is dead, and has been for 23 years

[@stevemansfield3449]

I expect this to be settled before NASCAR goes through discovery. We don’t know with any level of certainty that all of them signed the same charter agreement. For example, we all are of the belief that HMS and JGR will be allowed to have 4 charters but everyone else is limited to 3, clearly not the same agreement. Would it be so hard to imagine HMS getting a few more points of the TV money that say TrackHouse? I’m not saying that is the case, I’m saying NO ONE outside of NASCR knows. After 70+ years of strong-arming people there will be a graveyard of bodies buried in those books, the France family will cave before discovery. If NASCAR does allow this to go to trial (bad, bad idea) they could be forced to sell off all of the Tracks, any other racing leagues - Like Xfinity and Truck, not just ARCA and IMSA. I would expect the 23IX team to highlight that the only true competitor for NASCAR CUP is the NASCAR owned Xfinity and Craftsman series also owned by the France family. NASCAR as a lot more at risk than 23XI, and 23XI knows it.

[@s15240drifter69]

Settlements only happen when ALL parties agree to it and a judge approves it. If a judge or 23XI or FRM say no to a settlement, then it doesn't matter what NASCAR wants.

[@garywilson4621]

As an attorney I couldn't agree with you more! Will be curious to see what kind of settlement they come to in order to keep their sport alive!

[@gregvogt7294]

Also. The France family did not become billionaires by being nice to anyone. I wonder how many small businesses and people they destroyed along the way. Mark my words France you will pay a heavy heavy price for all the people and families you destroyed along the way

[@PaperBanjo64]

​@gregvogt7294 NASCAR actually helped with the CART/IRL split and helped Tony George with it to remove their biggest competitor

[@llzrrr3355]

Spot on. From a risk perspective, NASCAR has exposed themself to a plethora of less than favorable outcomes for themself. Their best option will be to dictate their own outcome before the courts do for them.

[@fanofdejr88]

Buying the majority of the tracks on the circuit is one of the most damning indictments against NASCAR. In the end, 23XI & FRM need to win this suit for more than just the rest of the teams but rather for the future of the sport. If they lose, not only will they exit the sport entirely, the status quo will continue until the sport itself declines and ends up like IRL before Roger Penske bought it because the current business model is not sustainable.

[@CarShowclub]

Can't believe they filed a lawsuit but I can totally understand why. I don't understand why teams need a charter it isn't like 10 extra teams show up to race. They are lucky to get 40 cars.

[@Bogues_88]

There are some other financial benefits not just guaranteed start spot

[@VernLeRoy1962]

NASCAR hasn't been the same since 2013 & before. Todays NASCAR has lost it's root's, the Fines are crazy. Now a days I don't watch, not since Denny attacked Bowman with his Car & NASCAR did nothing to Denny, when anyone else would have been suspended 1 race (during the play Off's) NASCAR became a Corporation, Lawyers like Mr. Kessler, hepling to drive Cost up.

[@velvetjones1856]

Jordan has enough money to fight NASCAR and a business manager that can manage the legal fight.

[@Commentleaver-c6x]

He’s also a gambling addict.

[@iHadWaterForDinner]

they know all he has to do is pull the race card and completely level nascar lol

[@hamptongandy6792]

@@velvetjones1856 IF HE WANTS TO KEEP THAT MONEY , HE BETTER WATCH OUT

[@StillMe69]

@@Commentleaver-c6x As we are seeing... he is gambling big time and I 100% think he will win this bet! Rick, Roger and Jack have always been told to bring their own lube... This time Jordon told Nascar to bring their own lube.

[@KINGAMIIAMKING]

​@@Commentleaver-c6x That's a lie. Michael Jordan is a multi-billionaire and on the Forbes 400 list.

[@DerrickRG]

I want this to go to discovery. Any other sporting organization would've gone belly up with the 15+ years of poor attendance. We need to see their books.

[@genedeyo135]

NASCAR is busy cookin , cookin the books that is.

[@SamAuxierJr]

They are a private company, they don't have to show you nothing !!

[@yelahammer]

@@SamAuxierJrthey do in an anti trust case

[@helladrums5373]

Let’s Go 23XI!!!! Let’s Go Front Row!!! My two new favorite teams from now till forever. They took the risk!

[@buster6624]

@helladrums5373. ...✌️🍻 I second that....Tim Richmond Earnhardt fan here..im pulling for them too.

[@WolfsbaneXI]

I am shocked SHR didn't jump on the opportunity. They're on their way out anyway

[@AustinJones-u5v]

Yeah JR's sister said the reason why they wont move up to cup from the xfinity series is that it didn't make sense financially not too long ago. This is right on the track. That is how i found out how expensive the charters were and how its a bad investment.

[@JJ-zd5ld]

Reminds me of Jonah Hill's character from Wolf of Wall Street

[@johnlewis2985]

After listening to this Lawyer, who really seams to know his Sh!t! I say good for Jordan and Front Row to stand up against Nascar! This will be very interesting, what a shame for several other very powerful teams not to stand up as well!

[@mntlblok]

At 2:53 I think he implies that the teams had to *buy* their charters. I think he slipped it in as "the teams could pay millions of dollars to have the right to compete". The charters have obviously become worth something and are apparently transferrable, but I've never seen nor heard how that came to be. Was this addressed from the start with the charter "agreements"? Anybody ever read the original charter agreements? Is there such a thing? Did both sides know in 2016 that "the teams could pay millions of dollars to have the right to compete"? It may well be that this is just a nitpick, but sure seems interesting to me - especially with the way he slid it in there as obviously being something that everyone understood from the start of the charter system. My understanding was that they were considered "rewards" for the teams who had consistently showed up to qualify for the races. Were they transferrable from the get go?

[@SteveB4829]

Nascar has been doing this for years, why this lawsuit now and why only 2 teams suing? The other teams who are not suing think Nascar is not a monopoly then or what?

[@devinaschenbrenner2683]

Money and probably too scared too or doesn't want to be the one who takes the fall if it fails.

[@SteveB4829]

@@devinaschenbrenner2683 yeah, its just odd that two of the smaller less known teams are doing this lawsuit. this will probably take years anyways too.

[@giafoneozu9998]

because all the other teams got scared to loose their charter and so signed a paper (with a max of 12h time) that includes can't sue us for that reason!

[@llzrrr3355]

It’s still early but I’m sure a lot of teams are having discussions with their attorneys this week to see what evidence they have to support the claim and what the benefits/downside of joining in to the suit as a party would do for their team

[@SteveB4829]

@@llzrrr3355 yeah i guess i heard today too that other teams can join later, which i didnt know, if they think it is gaining traction.

[@brockwaymt]

I wish I could remember who said "MLB is the only sanctioning body more arrogant than NASCAR".

[@m_cabral]

The biggest issues with the argument presented, "where else are you going to race" is that Indycar, IMSA (which, yes, is NASCAR owned but does not require a charter), USAR, World of Outlaws, NHRA, etc all exist. Also you can run as an open car (which he highlighted here), which is what they'll have to do next year until the eventual injunction is granted that gives them an extension on their charter until this is resolved. On the Arbitration complaint, well welcome to 2024. If you order a sandwich from Uber Eats you can't sue Uber when they run you over with one of their taxis. Have fun reversing binding arbitration in the US. I expect they'll just settle. I don't think they want to win, they just want NASCAR to give a higher revenue share. If they had a fundamental issue with where things are going they'd find something else to do. This is what Tony Stewart did. He hates NASCAR and now he's a drag racer and happier for it. Good on him. NASCAR doesn't want to deal with this either. They'll find the price they need to pay and all of this will go away.

[@jacobmasters438]

Keyword is missing. "Stock car" is wholly unique.

[@m_cabral]

@@jacobmasters438that’ll be up to the courts to decide if it ever gets that far. Macs existing was enough to keep Windows from being split out of Microsoft and that was when the resources of the Federal government being used to sue them. I’m sure this guy is a good lawyer but he’s not exactly the Department of Justice.

[@earleholt4380]

Excellent interview

[@bluedog373]

Nascar should put the charter system on hold until the suit goes away. Too risky to continue. Let the other owners sue MJ and Denny for damages.

[@Bogues_88]

Which means what? Actually give them time to practice and qualify ?? Because if they not guaranteed a starting spot then they need fair chance to qualify. At the moment with no practice or time to set car up is completely stupid. No other race series does this crap

[@jjs1982.]

Thank you for this. Please do the same when NASCAR and France files a defense so we understand both sides of the argument. If you want an objective opinion, I am a Canadian lawyer with 15 years of experience in the field. I have no skin in the game. I just want to provide an objective legal perspective.

[@CC.94]

They fixing to found out just how protected Jimmy France is. 😂

[@7viewerlogic670]

Thanks for the great info.

[@williamhesprich9040]

Anyone who pays attention to history saw this many years ago when some of the drivers tried to organize the drivers into a union and earned a lifetime ban from competing in any Nascar organized race. Or Bill France Senior stood on the inside of the track holding his wallet up at any driver outrunning the rest of the field. In short, slow down or you won't get paid.

[@darrylniehoff2707]

Makes me sick that our sport has come to this . This is how you loose fans . Thanks MJ and Denny !

[@OrganizedMess0025]

So the goal is to force nascars hand to make changes to better the sport, or face the hands of the law to make them do so. I’m all for it. Nascar leadership is the most incompetent it’s ever been since Brian took over and the France family needs a reckoning or to be removed from the sport. Whatever it takes to make the sport legitimate again and make the sport healthy long term.

[@trailblazer3374]

NASCAR teams are independent businesses that rely on sponsorships for a large portion of their revenue. Teams use sponsorship money to pay for operating expenses, improve their cars, and win races. NASCAR teams typically receive 65-80% of their annual revenue from sponsors

[@trailblazer3374]

This is a joke of a lawsuit team gets most of there money from sponsors and now NASCAR gave more TV money. Sponsors are leaving cause they are cutting cost just like all Americans. How can you say they can not compete in other race leagues did you not see Kyle Larson race Indy? Teams he talks about that got out other than Michael Waltrip racing they lost sponsors and made bad money decisions lol and drivers with sponsors went some where else.

[@trailblazer3374]

@@twozer0x ask Michael Waltrip Racing about there sponsorship money and the lack of it after the spin that close the shop.

[@robpotter7798]

What does Dale Jr have to say about this 🤔

[@johnhaas2523]

You're probably not going to hear his opinion or at least one that really takes sides since he is a team owner even if just Xfinity series

[@robpotter7798]

@johnhaas2523 still, he is a major voice in nascar. His opinion will count

[@happyjohn8256]

He’ll be muted about it. He has no charter.

[@StillMe69]

He is a follower, he must abide by the rules. No joke... that's how it is with Nascar.

[@llzrrr3355]

Most likely under non-disparagement agreements with his ties to TV networks and team ownership. Him commenting could get him dragged into court. Best to let lawyers talk right now.

[@ZackBrame]

Comments here are less toxic than other social sites. Not sure why anyone would side with NASCAR here...I think it's time for a change in this sport. As a fairly new fan and 23XI fan, I'm hoping they can alter the landscape here

[@DerrickRG]

Because this site is heavily censored.

[@boogieman3165]

I promise you this, if all the teams get together and not show up for just one race, NASCAR will change it's tune. I know there are a lot of lives and livelihoods at stake here but this is the sure fire way to deal with NASCAR.

[@johnhaas2523]

Teams can't

[@ShinyKnife]

They should have done it before they signed. Now the teams don’t have any leverage. NASCAR will drag this out in court for years and bleed those 2 teams dry. Like the attorney was saying they could race for maybe a year without a charter but if it goes on for many years. They’ll be out of business.

[@KINGAMIIAMKING]

​@@ShinyKnife Michael Jordan is a multi-billionaire and on the Forbes 400 list.

[@theamateurbackyardgardener543]

I’m wondering if the sponsors will pay the legal bills?

[@timconsidine6023]

Great get! Solid interview!

[@ManiacRacing]

Naked greed as usual. It's about time someone pushed back against the France family monopoly.

[@aranuicdb2]

What about the car companies. Without them, what happens?

[@giafoneozu9998]

we pay dallara to build a chassie and any engine company to build engines... thats the smallest concern!

[@hyper-1]

Seen this coming. Looks good on nascar

[@RandyBasye]

Hopefully the attorney that filed the suit is reading this you stated the 9 race teams owners went out of business filed bankruptcy from 2016 and the charger system that was configured for your Discovery go back several decades and you can prove a pattern

[@RandyBasye]

Prove a pattern of bias impose by the family. Myself I just like to see the whole thing change they have managed to ruin the sport for for me we were spectators for several decades and invested quite a bit of money per year to go to several tracks we had season tickets to when the France family started changing everything up from the points to actually win a championship Howard points Championship is dispersed all the way down to the driver did Dale Earnhardt and the Richard Petty's and Gordon with the seven championships those are legacies it had never been reached the way they can figure a championship with the current running I myself was a Dale Earnhardt fan from 1981 to the day he passed and then I supported Dale Jr what the France family fails to realize is you're correct they don't go there to see the France family they go to see the people they support the teams and drivers what are the teams and drivers you have nothing unfortunately for the sport most people don't even watch Nascar these days play a single-handedly managed to screw it all up for myself and my family and lots of friends we all went as big groups we all spent tons of money per year most times on average well over a hundred thousand dollars just to watch our drivers drive mind you we had trucks with big expensive RVs pay to go on the infield then we had our season tickets in the stands we generally got to the tracks on Wednesdays or Thursdays and left Mondays a lot of money was spent through these times I'm in my late 50s and I had a lot of friends we all went to the tracks together 20 to 40 families it was a big group out of all those families not one of us even watching on TV is completely free they completely write the sport and none of us even take time to watch it unbelievable. For myself I'm a Ford guy but I did purchase a Chevy four-door Dooley color black I had a big number 3 on it with Dale Earnhardt flags on the back what's a real nice RV behind it it made the news several times it was a short looking truck but I will use it to go to the tracks I only bought the truck because of Chevy and Earnhardt any other time I drove my Ford F-350 I think back at all the money I spent through the years and I justify it being as money well spent today I would not spend a copper penny to go to a race I want to go with someone else paid for it all I have zero interest in it. After Junior retired then I pulled for Stewart-Haas now they leave in the sport because it's awfully expensive hobby when you can't make the return on your investment hopefully MJ has Deep Pockets and can afford illegal bill I'm sure he's got every owner talking to him discreetly I'm probably going to help with the financial aspect of that I'd be curious if someone filed for a GoFundMe to fight this in court and make some changes to stock car racing I'd be curious to see how much a GoFundMe can raise I sure would contribute.

[@mikeclay2381]

When NASCAR took the ability for a team to sale their own merchandise is when things went bad.

[@PaperBanjo64]

Wasn't that 2014 or so?

[@mikeclay2381]

@@PaperBanjo64 not sure, would have to research.

[@EnvirotekCleaningSystems]

Na$car has been a monopoly and exercised monopoly power since the beginning. It started at the very beginning with Big Bill and if you need proof, look at what happened when drivers tried to unionize or what happened when drivers wouldn't race the first race at Talladega.

[@NewNomics]

It's so much worse now. NASCAR owns the majority of the tracks, they bought ARCA, various other series, teams have to build spec cars, with spec parts, from single source NASCAR authorized suppliers. NASCAR basically locked all the teams in the NASCAR walled garden with the NextGen car and left them no choice but to fight. If teams were running the last gen car they could have had some choice to take the cars they had and have an IRL / CART style split. Now if they left then cars are so proprietary they could never get the parts. Not to mention they can't book more than half the tracks NASCAR owns. This lawsuit has some legs given how much control NASCAR has over stock car racing as whole. The interesting part will be the discovery for this case. NASCAR will likely have to show their financials. It is going to be enlightening to see how much ticket, TV, sponsor and IP money they have been making and keeping for themselves.

[@teresawiding]

Thank you for breaking this down so that we can understand it. Good job to both of these teams. Win or lose you have done the right thing.

[@jimdavis5421]

I think for this to have any real traction, A court would have to in fact, classify a charter as a franchise and a requirement to race in Nascar. As of now it is not , nor is it a requirement to be able to race in Nascar. Its original selling point was to guarantee a starting position to aide teams in obtaining major sponsors .

[@NebuChadNezzarKBDN]

About time nascar gets forced out of 50s era business practices.

[@akmurf7429]

"Not everybody will stand up". That is why tyrants win so often. I hope they win the lawsuit. The Frances family monopoly is just another example of American corporate greed. Quite frankly makes me ill.

[@PaperBanjo64]

The France family and their cronies ruined NASCAR, it used to be so good and fun to watch now it's just terrible...yeah there's been a couple close finishes but there's also been races that were just awful and the only action was they couldn't stop crashing

[@Jeffgordon24everfan]

Let’s all remember, this guy represents the teams suing and therefore only giving their view point. His client in 23XI is one of the most outspoken against NASCAR for years. We don’t know why the other 13 teams signed unless we hear directly from them, not this lawyer. HMS, Penske, and Gibbs (the top teams for all 3 manufacturers) all signed. If those massive teams thought it was unfair they wouldn’t have signed and would be doing the lawsuit. This isn’t to say this lawsuit isn’t right, rather the facts from all sides need to come out rather than just trusting this one dude

[@johnhaas2523]

Some have spoken

[@darrylniehoff2707]

What's to keep nascar from walking away with their billions and shutting it down.

[@walkerking3875]

bingo

[@MrMonk-wz7iu]

When Lawyer knows what's best for NASCAR, he's looking at for his self $$$$

[@JimCable-b5v]

ITS TIME to OPEN those BOOKS NASCAR !!! 💩💩💩

[@jeffhaferd3195]

Excellent video. Jeffrey makes a great case. Nascar needs to pony up. The old dictatorship mentality can't survive in today's world. By the way Carla is beautiful and a great speaker.

[@StillMe69]

Back when I worked for a company, she looks like my boss Sandy. 😍

[@miketardy8342]

They had competition once upon a time it was called USAC United States Auto Club look at that sanctioning body rules for their racing venue

[@lewiskemp5893]

And liberty media is being investigated for same thing. And Andretti is waiting to have a F1 team

[@Tomsworld]

I stand with these boys

[@deepspace1992]

Whoa, getting this lawyer on the show 🎉

[@walkerking3875]

lawyer is Latin for liar

[@ReneT13]

MJ fixing to change the nascar culture with all that money!! 😅

[@hawkeyejohnny968]

I was never a Denny Hamlin fan but I’ll be rooting for him all the way. NASCAR is nothing but a mafia and you do as the boss says or you’ll pay the price. When you look up the definition of greed in a dictionary it refers as an example to the France family.

[@oldskoold22]

Well; the "Iron Curtain"of Francecar being challenged??? This will be interesting.

[@jamesblocker5235]

This has been going on for a long time the France family has been running rough shot over everybody for years. It’s time for a change. It’s time for owners and it’s teams to get what they need and especially at this time when everything so expensive and yes, these teams did not wanna fight NASCAR because they’re afraid but I guess Michael Jordan has deep pockets and he ain’t afraid, kudos to Front Row team for having balls to stand up with them it’s about time that nascar has to answer to some one besides the France family

[@codymoe4986]

Rough shod *

[@maiasdad]

If I was NASCAR, I’d be more careful in getting into a pissing contest against a competitive psychopath like Michael Jordan

[@HackeryX]

Not to mention what they make when they produce nascar video games think of that for a second billions more funnel right into the France family

[@DaleMeese]

I totally suppory 24XI racing. They are fighting for long-term viability of teams.

[@codymoe4986]

Michael Jordan wore #23

[@craigkemmerzell5741]

Good for them 👏 Nascar needs to change they have lost their way

[@TheManglerX]

So four years ago 23XI agrees to start a team knowing what the costs and the rules to do so were. They then decide to build an elaborate $16M show piece of a facility, cram it full of excess and overkill. Now they say that it's hard for them to cover their expenses. Sounds like a saying an old wise man once told me, "Always live within your means" . Oh yea, if the Teams don't make any money, how did Richard Childress get to have a reported net worth of around $250M??

[@BwInNewJersey]

That’s not what 23XI is suing about. Read the case.

[@TheManglerX]

@@BwInNewJersey I did, I listened to their attorney and I been listening to Denny himself for two years complaining. This is ultimately what they are saying. They are just using he Breach-of-Trust and Monopoly arguments to bend NASCAR over and accomplish it.

[@BwInNewJersey]

@@TheManglerX Right Denny repeatedly states his team is asking for its fair share. All the teams agree they just don’t have the capital or the fortitude. Fair share and how much teams spend are separate issues. A wise man once told me ‘don’t count other people’s money’. All teams are struggling to break even or make a small profit. Red lights and an innovative workspace is not the issue.

[@TheManglerX]

@@BwInNewJersey But yet counting other peoples money is the very foundation of this lawsuit.

[@BwInNewJersey]

@@TheManglerX Money will be counted because of Nascars unwillingness to be fair. Fairness seems to be a concept you struggle with.

[@jaffleyfifteen5912]

He said they can’t race outside of nascar, that is not true

[@chaddepew5831]

This guy never creates a better system he just brings chaos.

[@codygudleske6581]

The beginning of the end...of used to be. Welcome to the new NASCAR. It needs to change

[@jeffs4760]

I'm glad this happened. It does need to change and I dont care for the next gen car either. As of today 10-10-24 I cant believe that Nascar rejected the lawsuit. Talk about Balls from the France family. I think they have a fight on their hands and I hope all of the other teams and fans fight them too!

[@jasonstarnes3838]

Millionaires complaining about millionaires. Poor guys on both sides. Jmo

[@michaelrunnels7660]

Michael Jordan's net worth is $3.2 Billion, not million. His income every year is $44 million. The numbers for Rick Hendrick are almost identical to that.

[@Jeff-io2zn]

The driver and crew don't make nearly as much as people think. Yes the team owners are millionaires . And this new car is awful to race.

[@happyjohn8256]

So often this is the case.

[@StillMe69]

Why aren't you a millionaire? What is stopping you?

[@MrLbhall16]

@@michaelrunnels7660$44 million? He makes that per month just from his Jordan brand lol

[@MinisterManDan]

The bill is coming due for the France family allowing Brian to run the sport into the ground for so long before Uncle Jim took the wheel away from him. The bargain NASCAR made with the owners and drivers decades ago was this: "we own most of the big tracks, we will make sure the other track owners don't screw you over and not pay you, we will make rules so that the sport is as close to fair as it can be." Later they added "we will negotiate TV contracts that benefit you that you could not negotiate without us." NASCAR broke that deal with the owners when Brian France and his idiotic coke-fueled gimmicks destroyed the popularity of the sport. Why should the owners keep letting NASCAR get fat off the profits of this sport if they can't keep growing the pie? They'll win this lawsuit, it's frankly a slam dunk. NASCAR would do well to settle, but nobody with France as their last name has done anything smart since Bill Jr died.

[@johnhaas2523]

You might as well bring Rob Kaufman into the conversation

[@NASCARShill]

The France family did nothing wrong. They did a fantastic job running this sport.

[@giafoneozu9998]

@@NASCARShill go watch some old people tv please in your retirement home!

[@ANotSoHotRodGarage]

The charter isn't there to help the teams. It was for nascar to dictate what the teams can and can't do and to make nascar themselves a lot of money.

[@johnhaas2523]

False

[@mntlblok]

I'm thinking that there's likely a whole lot that isn't known about the original charters and how they've evolved. Looking forward to learning more about them.

[@bowtie3]

Side with NASCAR for now. Really Nike ?

[@UDLOSE4SURE1]

I have a question why wouldn’t Hendrick Motorsports say enough is enough

[@StillMe69]

Rick, Roger and Jack act like $10 an hour employees for some reason.

[@FishNFoolLures]

Because they are a bunch of spineless yuppies. ASSCAR has been running this sport into the ground for the last 20 years and its about time they get a taste of their own medicine with some strong arm tactics

[@stellingbanjodude]

Nascar could lose their britches in this one.

[@freedome405]

One word in contracts...... consideration

[@maegenyoungs2591]

NASCAR should have paid every team for every part they couldn’t use, and paid for it. This new car isn’t any cheaper. It was a ploy to rid the teams of talent so they couldn’t go back if they wanted to.. I hate the the new cars. At the rate it’s going. NASCAR will eventually own the cars Drivers will have to show up and drive.. Like monster trucks

[@PaperBanjo64]

From what I understood in Jordan's lawsuit the teams buy the cars from NASCAR but NASCAR actually own the cars not the teams unlike as recently as 2021 when the teams built their own cars in house and owned them.

[@jermainerowe9541]

Mind blowing NASCAR is on thin ICE

[@theoriginalrabbithole]

'Nero France' plays his violin as Rome burns.....

[@andrewmatthews2645]

Jeffrey is the GOAT

[@jamescampbell390]

Didn’t this kinda happen in INDYCAR in the 90’s or sr something like that there was a weird season when there where all the same cars in one catagory and physics experiments in the other yes I was joking about the physics experiments but those cars where wicked fast

[@giafoneozu9998]

well in the 90s both series could run the same tracks, since nascar own them we would need to find/build other tracks and get people there to watch!

[@hurleydude454]

So since they have an active lawsuit against nascar will both teams still be able to continue to race for the remainder of the season?

[@sammyeubanksmusic]

Why does Anyone, outside of this lawsuit, "think" they need Any information about the lawsuit until it has been resolved??? Ridiculous!!!

[@scottsaalman6106]

Welcome to the Internet 😂

[@johnhaas2523]

Most of the details are out there because everybody has a copy as far as the media

[@DJBumgarner]

This could also change the entire you have to bring money to race as a driver. If teams are making money they will be more likely to take a chance on a kid who clearly has talent but not the bank account. This is huge for the sport

[@LionAndALamb]

I'm not a lawyer, but considering that all other major sports have lost these anti-trust suits for actions FAR less egregious than NASCAR's monopolistic behavior, this case seems like a slam dunk W for the teams involved.

[@aaronp1434]

This is a defining moment for nascar, either the France family relinquish full control of the series or come out and admit that it’s only entertainment with the outcomes largely predetermined. Hate to say it but this fight could ultimately lead to the death of the series.