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[@LeadingWorshipWell]

Just wanted to give an update on this video (It's a year old but it's been getting pushed by the algorithm a bit lately): Shortly after this video was released, I no longer felt like I could in good conscience lead Bethel songs at my church anymore. I have stopped using Bethel songs in my services since this video was released.

[@Practisepiam]

It’s really difficult for me to concentrate on worshipping the Lord with their music when i know that the source is not totally sound. Wish my church would know this.

[@ravdavidmusic]

That's great to hear. Was truly sad to hear the conclusion of this video. Anyone not checking the comments can easily fall into that line of thinking. Maybe edit off the last bit in this video?

[@BannerBearers]

Could you say why?

[@homeboyjon4885]

Thanks for all your vids, but this was eye opening. Appreciate it!

[@josephtripoli5069]

Yes... that clearly is the right call, Spencer. Honestly, after hearing you talk about Bethel's BSSM, the worship practice of "tuning the room" to manipulate/persuade the presence & arrival of the Holy Spirit, their pastoral affirmations of misguided motives behind water baptism, their implementation of a "Give Financially to Get Back Even More" offering concept (thru the concerted, verbal chanting of the congregation), and New Age/Mystic/False Gospel😮 teachings of "Up Daddy" excercises, 3rd heaven revelations, etc... I was ABSOLUTELY STUNNED that you would then go on to somehow defend the idea of embracing & integrating Bethel's worship music into your own church's ministry. Yikes !!! Thank you, Spencer, for having reconsidered your position on such a compromising position. I welcome your thoughts...

[@SevenMntns]

I have never been drawn to listen to anything from bethel but I do think music can change atmosphere. "And whenever the evil spirit from God was upon Saul, David took the lyre and played it with his hand; so Saul was refreshed, and was well, and the evil spirit departed from him." 2 Samuel 16:23

[@keithschultz3644]

Yes, that is true. You can "Tune" the room or space or area you are in, what you actually are tuning is yourself. You are tuning/shifting your focus off yourself and "tuning" it to G-d. The enemy is the prince of the power of the air and when you "Tune" an area and soak it with worship he flees. It's not about making G-d doing anything, it's about clearing the "air", removing the static so you can connect with Him!!!

[@valerieirvin249]

The Word of God says , He inhabits the praise of His people. I haven't agreed with Bethel for years but the praise of God brings down His glory. Scripturally sound. 🕊️ Correct me if I'm wrong ? 🤔

[@taniagarrison6216]

​@valerieirvin249 no correction needed.

[@judylloyd7901]

​​@@keithschultz3644 Yep, tuning is what happens to the people, and churches that try to "tune" their people are emotionally manipulating them to be receptive to their false doctrines. 😢😢😢

[@camlarson2813]

What does that have to do with what we are talking about? Do you think God is using Bethel to soothe demon oppressed souls in the church? In Bethel? What is your point?

[@eugenejoseph7076]

In 2016, after leaving the church (not my faith in Christ) but just away from an extremely disfunctional church community. 12 years later we moved away from that city and felt a desire to try again. Since I'm a decent rhythm guitar player and wanted to help out this new church, I applied to volunteer on the worship team. The leader was great and I decided to give it a try. I had not been listening to any kind of 'christian' music for decades and was unaware of the wave of 'new christan stars' like Elevation, Bethel, Hillsong etc. BUT, the first time I learned some of these 'BIG' Christian HITS, I was struck by the self-centered lyrics I read. I felt like many of them centered around the self instead of Jesus being lifted up by grateful sinners. Even the word SIN seemed to be absent from 99% of these songs. Needless to say, we left the church because, sadly, they lived up to the self serving lyrics of the songs they were singing on sunday. Still looking and abiding in His Word for guidance. 💔🙏

[@lynnekirkup984]

❤Remnant

[@eugenejoseph7076]

@@lynnekirkup984 Amen!

[@darryldanzinger9996]

I agree with you 100% All modern worship songs are man-centered. They do not focus on God and his glory. They focus on man and his need. They do not worship God for who he is. They only worship him for what he can do for them. They are using God to get what they want.

[@keithschultz3644]

@@darryldanzinger9996 Thats why I LOVE Vineyard worship especially from the 90's

[@510jm]

Hi Eugene. I play on a worship team at a reformed church where we do NOT play Elevation, Bethel, Hillsong for the reasons you mentioned. If it comes as any encouragement, you might want to try CityAlight, Keith and Kristyn Getty, Shane and Shane, and Matt Papa. I think you might find a stark contrast in lyrics. Hope that helps brother.

[@user-on2cj1tb3j]

being saved for over 40 years walking with the Lord through thick and thin, always true he is the blood of the Lamb is cleansing our hearts as we walk with him. this is a new commandment I give unto you that you love one another greater love has no man than this that he lay down his life for his brother we remember Lord thank you Father

[@lynnekirkup984]

True yet we still are told, discern. Warned even, of deception flat out.😊

[@kategem4603]

Ephesians 5:11: no debate

[@SmartestDumbGuy]

What does that have to do with the point he is raising?

[@themercerguy]

"Shifting the atmosphere" is what happens when man becomes convinced that he can 'manufacture' the presence of God.

[@robertmurray9067]

Silliness

[@RS54321]

It reminds me of preachers who keep praying for someone to be healed by repeating the prayer 100 times in a row and continually asking 'how do you feel now?'...maybe the 99th time will do the trick? If God is going to heal someone through our prayers, He will do it w/ no vain repetition!

[@johnmay-wn7qe]

You’re not speaking about Bethel then because the ministry loves Jesus and preaches the Word of God. The above speaker here has an ego.self serving purpose

[@MiikWatson66]

Yeah,,,like we can bring God down to us. That's a puny-little-god!

[@barbdaly8172]

This makes me want to cry. We have 2 daughters wrapped up in this and they have cut off all communication with our family! That is 6 other children. 💔😢 it is truly not funny, simply heart breaking.

[@Bambi12-764]

🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻😢

[@maryannmurdock150]

My heart goes out to you. I have not seen my family in almost 4 years. They are attending a church that follows Bethel teachings!! God bless you dear.

[@sarahyip2825]

Heartbreaking. I know someone not just caught up in it, also contributing time and resources... Feeling heartbroken and angry!

[@JodieDansereauArt]

Prayers to you and your family. I understand the 'not funny' part. This is serious and it's destroying lives. A false Jesus/Yesus is being presented and the end results are not going to be good ones. 😞🙏 Shalom shalom

[@barbdaly8172]

@@maryannmurdock150 I am so sorry

[@christinabee.editss]

this is honestly pretty scary… my church is held in my home, and our worship is one of our church members with his guitar, with him and his daughter singing. the bare minimum. i have felt the holy spirit move in my home with just this, no “tuning the room” or “shifting the atmosphere.” when we worship the Lord we step into his presence, he does not lower himself for us. our church members have been moved emotionally by the Lord and it is nothing i’ve experienced in any other place. i have been moved by the Holy Spirit in my humble home- where two or more gather, there the Lord shall be! ❤️

[@PMPMindset2024]

There are going to be sooooooo many mentally ill people coming out of this church when it all falls apart.

[@PMPMindset2024]

The wife who got baptized for a double portion is definitely a MLM Boss Babe 😂😂😂😂😂

[@WandaHill-tk2hs]

Don't ever be afraid of speaking the truth. Thank you for exposing false doctrine!

[@michaelthomas229]

Amen it’s all about what Jesus did on the cross for us an we need sound doctrine so bad I really believe this is the great fallen away an it need to be called out an get back to the cross an the blood of the lamb amen 🙏

[@kathywalton4273]

It is TRUE that we Are seated with Christ in heavenly places and we have authority from that place, in Jesus name.

[@YouTubeChristian222]

Yes, very soon we will be higher than the angels, BUT not until we are transformed from this corruptible body which cannot receive the kingdom of God...to an uncorruptible one... it is His will not ours be done & in His perfect timing. 1 CORINTHIANS 15: 35-58 Look Up! Maranatha!!

[@jayminasi6073]

i dont read the epistles that are not attributed to paul by the vast majority of bible scholars, just my thought.

[@philiprobertson1102]

This is true. Thank you. Using spiritual weapons we are authorised and empowered by Father, Son and Holy Spiritual to enforce Jesus victory until He returns. Jesus taught us to be pray “Thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven”. I do not believe Bethel get everything right all the time but I know countless people who have been moved in the Bethel “atmosphere” to want to live 100% in submission to Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Ps I do not attend a ‘Bethel’ church but I have been to one conference there (which was transformative for me) and for about two years watched their normal services online. Nowadays I rarely watch because so much is happening locally that I don’t need that regular input so much now. In the church I go to they do not follow Bethel but the same Holy Spirit is causing many to devote themselves wholly to serve Father, Son and Spirit. They are rediscovering and earnestly desiring the power gifts of the Spirit. And we need the power gifts of the Spirit and the Gift of the Bible if we are going to truly represent Jesus in our day.

[@YouTubeChristian222]

@@philiprobertson1102 humbly, our "day" is about to end. They have a choice to repent & believe now or die for their faith during the tribulation which is at the door. Bethel is heresy & those who follow their doctrines are in danger. No one on that video is preaching the life saving gospel of Jesus Christ...They aren't preparing anyone for the kingdom, but they are preparing them for Hell...

[@jlege58]

It's demonic garbage

[@agee7661]

This is why I am a WES Lutheran. Back to basics!

[@JeffCrawford-nx7xn]

I say anytime we attempt to use a “formula” or think there’s anything “we” can do, outside of what the Bible says, which is…. Be Holy as I am Holy!! Worship is not just the time we spend in a place where we gather with others. If you want God to “show up”. Live it out!! Live for Him, with Him in every instant. Allow His rule & reign in your life completely. “The Room” doesn’t need to be “prepared” for God as much as the Altar of our hearts need rebuilt like Elijah “rebuilt the Altar” then God comes. And when He “fills the room” EVERYTHING that’s not “right” MUST flee. God can do and accomplish ANYTHING He wants!!! Our unwillingness to allow Him to be our LORD, or to try and “change or manipulate His parameters” for that.. therein lies the issue. Attempting to manipulate the supernatural by the natural.

[@suzanneyorkville]

25 years ago we went to a Word of Faith church and they recited this list every Sunday during the tithes. Can't say how grateful I am to distance myself from all of this. I cannot in good conscience sing Bethel songs.

[@gloriaclarke]

I agree, I can’t sing any of the Bethel songs. Our church does play them but I do not sing any of the songs. I wish our church would not sing them.

[@RS54321]

I lived with a couple who would play Bethel music on a loop at high volume. I had to put my earplugs in b/c it felt like music to put someone in a trance-I hated it. So many of the songs had a 'me' focus, which also didn't sit right with me.

[@couragedearheart2951]

The problem is, is that we sing some “good” Bethel songs, we have to pay them-and thus support Bethel.

[@MrsCondee]

Wow, I had no idea that churches have to pay just to sing their songs. How sad is that? Should I assume this happens with other ministries, as well?

[@KIMRLew]

That's copyright laws isn't it.. for all artist

[@ryanrichburg]

I used to lead worship in a bethel affiliated church in my home town around 2005-2008. I know for a fact that the “offering prayer” has been a part of the services for at least 10-15 years. I didn’t think it at the time (likely the indoctrination and normalization of that line of thinking), but hearing it now gave me a similar sickening feeling. Keep sharing great content brother.

[@suzanneyorkville]

they did this at the Word of Faith church I attended back in the mid 90s. It's sickening. We only attended that church because we could not find a good church and believed we ought not to forsake the assembling of ourselves together and this is where we landed. Now, almost 3 decades later I would not have tolerated this

[@JeffHendricks]

Once you see those things, you can't un-see them. Thanks for bringing this to light. You're not alone!

[@george.blasingame]

nice profile picture! lol

[@JeffHendricks]

@@george.blasingame Back atcha!

[@mistyroberson423]

If I may; I was blessed beyond measure when Jesus walked into my life and changed me forever. He was beyond words. It has been wonderful, however this happened for a reason. He is focused on our hearts and building relationships. I asked about the painful religious spirits that took away from experiencing the living God. His holiness and love is what motivates you instantly to obey. We are not allowing him to deal with each one of us the only way He knows how, instead it's pushing people away from him. He is always wanting to show us more. Can we just have grace towards people. You don't see Muslims and others picking each other apart. Unless he calls you into a place to correct (Apostle and Prophet), we should approach the NEW THING He's doing with caution. Love covers a multitude of sins and I heard a lot of reading into motives. The movement is still not that old. Thank you for your consideration. It is really difficult to explain spiritual experiences/knowledge in normal terms. ❤

[@nanlesser8809]

As a former worship leader of 20 yrs.... I have always taught that we go into the presence of God... and not that we ask God to come (down) to us.

[@jeanalice4732]

If you are conjuring demon and fallen angels you do. Same as in the OT ..

[@BarbaraMishkov]

Yes exactly

[@calvertcarroll7502]

He inhabits the praises of His people

[@randibass7558]

Yes! from Beer Sheva, Israel.

[@virginiabeaver2823]

Jesus said that where two or more are gathered in His name, He will be there

[@eric_sandstrom]

Nothing wrong with channels pointing out who false teachers are.

[@sherrymeadows8758]

exactly right !

[@Talletc]

We’re called to do it. It isn’t an option

[@ChrisGilland]

This is exactly why I'm not only subscribe to your channel, but share your channel with so many of my Christian friends. I cannot even begin to tell you how much respect I have for you. I had a ton before this video, but now, the fact that you had the courage to come forward, and share your heart so openly… That is commendable, my brother, and there is no doubt in my mind that you will reap the harvest and blessings in heaven for doing so. Praise God for your ministry! I really don't know what else to say, more than just how much I think you, for sharing these things, and for doing so in such a loving and compassionate way, but yet remaining very firm in your foundation. That is exactly what I would expect from any believer. Keep up the great work, man. I can't wait to see more content.

[@LeadingWorshipWell]

Thanks for the encouragement! Glad you're here Chris! 👊

[@chaslehmann1855]

“Shifting the atmosphere” - never heard that terminology. But isn’t that a good thing? We come into the house of the Lord from yelling at the kids to get ready or we will be late for church. When we enter, it’s good to shun our carnality and focus on tuning our attention to the spiritual presence of God.

[@HotPixelsPhotoVideo]

A church building is never The House of the Lord. It is us believers who are God's temple. Our bodies are a temple of the Holy Spirit 🙂

[@markhaney2884]

@@HotPixelsPhotoVideo True!!!! God enters the room in each of us.

[@MosesLakeHomes]

@@HotPixelsPhotoVideo We believers are the temple of God, yes, but speaking of the house of the Lord, that's exactly what it is. Psalm 122:1-2 I was glad when they said to me, "Let us GO to the house of the LORD!" Our feet have been standing within your gates, O Jerusalem!" Jerusalem--built as a city that is bound firmly together, to which the tribes go up, the tribes of the LORD, as was decreed for Israel, to give thanks to the name of the LORD." So, yes, it is a place to go to. And yes, our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit.

[@keithpace9870]

​@@MosesLakeHomes exactly. Were people not bought with the price of Jesus 's blood?

[@MosesLakeHomes]

@@keithpace9870 Yes, but I'm not sure I understand the connection you are making. Please clarify. Thanks! :D

[@kathywalton4273]

Please make sure you dont deny the power of the Holy Spirit. Don't know about you but I HAVE to shift atmospheres in my life,even in my home sometimes .Ihave authority to do that,in Jesus.

[@cryptfire3158]

where you find that in the bible?

[@kathywalton4273]

2 Corinthiams 10 v 4 tearing down strongholds . David playing harp to calm Saul (his anointed music subdued what was in Saul ...Jesus rebuking the storm (same spirit in us ) ...etc

[@virginiabeaver2823]

Creating an atmosphere for the Holy Spirit to move in your own home is more simply called praise and worship. David danced before the Lord.

[@cryptfire3158]

sure we can "shift" our environment physically (turn off tv).. and we receive blessing in our lives when we honor the Lord. but what your talking about sounds too much like word of faith type stuff.

[@JodieDansereauArt]

@@kathywalton4273 This is the scary part of what you believe. Yes Jesus/Yeshua rebuked the storm and the storm obeyed....because he was/is God! Just because we have decided to follow Yeshua and repent and receive the Holy Spirit does not mean we are all little God's running around. Only He is God and He will do things if it is His will that it will be done. That is what we are to find out. We do that by repentance, by reading the Bible and praying. By humbly coming before Him and realizing that He is God, pure and Holy and what we deserve is death. It is only through Christ Jesus that we are given the gift of life. We follow after Him daily and take it as seriously as His own disciples did....ready to lay down their lives for Him. Please also remember, to read the Bible in complete context. Not just taking a scripture and turning it into something it wasn't meant to mean. Something a lot of Christian churches seem to do.

[@benelias3556]

I'm not trying to be critical brother but there's no such thing scripturally as a worship pastor

[@3rundisciple]

Levites assigned to tend to the temple and practice/lead temple worship

[@MiikWatson66]

If my worship music isn't scriptural... then who am i worshipping?!

[@george.blasingame]

Thanks for sharing Spencer! I know these topics can be tough and there can be a lot of backlash on social platforms. But its important to point out these issues because it can be easy to fall into these practices unknowingly for a lot of people. I'm glad YT algorithm has you back on my feed.

[@LeadingWorshipWell]

Glad you're back George! Keep leading well! 👊

[@matthw633]

Bro this is so bad , so scary that it’s almost unbelievable. But I’ve visited churches that are very similar, I’ve seen folks run around the church for many many collections, special collections for the Pastor, Bishop, etc. Folks want to think they have something to do with their salvation and that they can somehow manipulate God to their will, not his. And I’ve walked out the door. Thanks for sharing this. It’s of the utmost importance. Continue what you’re doing. I’ve actually watched them years ago, checked out the musicians that have come out from Bethel. I decided not to listen to or present any of their songs in our congregation. What we do is not a game. Souls , the eternal souls of those in the seats are in the balance.

[@maryannmurdock150]

Please pray for my family.....they attend a church under Bethel authority and I have not seen them in almost 4 Years!!!

[@louisaisthankful6455]

Have you tried inviting them over for lunch or dinner?

[@PrettyLittleDitty2089]

23:13 - When she said **UP DADDY!** Geez! I feel weird stuffs like from a yoga session. Thanks for showing us these stuffs.

[@birch151]

wow. well that was disgusting,, thanks for the timestamp

[@homeboyjon4885]

What kills me this is such a half-lie. Yeah, “Abba” as we see it in the NT is well translated as “Daddy.” But I mean, the context is just horrid. Nothing more devious than a lie veiled with a half-truth. Yikes!!

[@thayneheath8888]

In Roman's 8:15 the Aramaic word Abba is used the way a child or one that has an intimate relationship with their father is expressing themselves. It is reasonable to think of a child reaching up and crying to their father to lift them up. Either we are worshiping our Heavenly Father in times of corporate worship or not. We should know. Why should we need someone to instruct us about the error of our ways?

[@thayneheath8888]

In Roman's 8:15 the Aramaic word Abba is used the way a child or one that has an intimate relationship with their father is expressing themselves. It is reasonable to think of a child reaching up and crying to their father to lift them up. Either we are worshiping our Heavenly Father in times of corporate worship or not. We should know. Why should we need someone to instruct us about the error of our ways?

[@TodaysBibleTruth]

What's wrong with shifting the atmosphere? I mean, if you watch horror movies, you're gonna have a horrible atmosphere in your home. If you welcome demons , you're gonna have a "dark atmosphere"? If you welcome the Lord, light, and truth into your home, you're going to have a more holy atmosphere. Jesus put certain people who didn't have faith out of the room to change the atmosphere. When David worshipped, the atmosphere changed for King Saul. I could go on, but you get my point.

[@jillsauder8340]

It's a form of emotional manipulation. That's what's wrong with it.

[@YouTubeChristian222]

Music is so powerful. I am a professional musician. Certain frequencies & patterns, using repetition, ALL have the ability to change our moods influence our thoughts & eventually our actions.... They know what they are doing...We are truly in the last hour... Maranatha!!

[@philiprobertson1102]

I agree. This is a dishonest criticism. Shifting atmospheres as they put it has nothing to do with making God do anything. It’s about us exercising our authority in Christ, asserting his Lordship so that as God is glorified in our words of praise the darkness flees. We can rebuke the darkness in Jesus name.

[@TodaysBibleTruth]

@@philiprobertson1102 yes

[@TodaysBibleTruth]

The idea is not that shifting the atmosphere is wrong. It's that the atmosphere should be shifted for good and not evil.

[@ukulele4worship]

I appreciate how you approached this Spencer. Like you, I don't enjoy the videos where people call out other Christians and get loud and negative about it. You didn't do any of that. You simply pointed out instances where the practices shown were not in line with traditional Christian beliefs. I think that they were "off" in ways that a lot of casual Christians wouldn't catch, and even a lot of people would overlook as "just different than my church", so pointing them out specifically - and explaining what was wrong about it - was helpful. (But not inflammatory.) Thank you.

[@LeadingWorshipWell]

I appreciate that Maria. Glad you're here! 👊

[@sandyhardy3419]

Thank you for taking the time …. My skin would crawl when I watched and I could not continue…. My heart… My heart hurts… This is not truth… I join with everyone on this thread, to lay a warm blanket of truth on these leaders … that they would do a 180… And preach the truth of Christ to all those who are hungry and thirsty… Satan is using this hunger and thirst… And he’s missed, directing it towards himself… It is so subtle… Just like the garden… But we know Christ wins, and you know not one of his will be lost in Jesus mighty name

[@bradorchard5828]

I saw another video from one of their baptism services. A young lady said that she was getting baptized......because she was going to lead an army of angels to protect the animal kingdom. And everybody clapped and whooped, and the "pastor" said "That's great! Praise God!"?!?!?!.

[@sonjastingl7986]

🤦‍♀️

[@woodb51]

I saw that one too and it was very disturbing.

[@user-xi5rd9uu7m]

Wow weird ppl

[@isabellacam4775]

I think these are the very christians that will not remain strong in the Lord. They will fall away because they have missed the whole point of being baptised and being commited to the Lord. "My people perish for lack of knowledge."

[@sidorgeorge]

​@@isabellacam4775Many of them likely aren't even saved. They dont understand what they are doing. The Bible says that "You believe and are baptized". When you are saved, you receive the Holy Spirit who seals you for God. I believe you can baptized in the Holy Spirit, but that's not a salvation/baptism, but more of an outpouring of the Holy Spirit. But this is often seized upon by these sorts of groups for chaos and extreme nonsense.

[@razersedge2273]

Bethel Teachers: "If it isn't my old nemesis... Biblical context..."

[@NewLife4GVN]

In the beginning years of my walk with the Lord I was in a churches like this. I thought this was what the Bible was about. I went on to be homeless for 20 years while following the Lord and state questioning this. And still I get so many people telling me this is how it is. Even in 2018 and 2022 the churches I was in taught this. I'd argue with the pastor's wives that can't be like this. They'd say I have some secret sin, or my faith isn't strong enough. I'd be so confused and I'd examine myself thoroughly trying to figure out what secret sin I would have or how I can get stronger faith. Because I don't know how much stronger Faith somebody can have when they're sleeping outside on the sidewalks and they can sleep soundly knowing that God is protecting them and that nothing can happen to me without God's permission. Now I have to unlearn so much. And I even went to the other extreme to try to balance out or something.

[@roxiejohnson6813]

Stay strong in the Lord. Stay strong in His word. Keep humble. I am unlearning too.

[@cryptfire3158]

well. The more wicked the church, the more they focus on finances /prosperity (money). The more good the church, the more they reverence and (correctly) teach the scriptures. The more the spirit is at work in a church the more true peace there is (it should feel right). The less the spirit in a church.. the more it resembles the popular views of society.

[@JodieDansereauArt]

Just remember when Yeshua/Jesus and His Apostles walked the earth, they were all nomads, no homes and no possessions so to speak. Our hearts and minds are not to be focused on the 'things' of this earth, rather, on the 'hearts' of this earth. Man and his greed has shifted what is truly important to our Lord, and that is the hearts of people. You stay in touch with God, read your Bible, pray, all of this daily or more. You will hear Him and what He wants you to do. His sheep knows HIs voice, that's because we take time to get to know Him and His will. Prayers fellow believer, Shalom shalom

[@jamesdownham6417]

I am an ex music teacher / lecturer . What you have stated I have witnessed many times before . The monotony of the persistently same chordal modulations drives me to distraction . Tuning of the room ???? What rot . Aside from that , appalling hermeneutics , prosperity gospel teaching etc leaves me appalled. Add to that the galloping rate at which it is spreading ! 😮

[@user-on2cj1tb3j]

as a worship leader over the years this makes me sad I am 77 years old

[@TheFtm22]

I'm not sure I can sit through that whole thing, but I appreciate this video indeed. I'm truly and incredibly speechless. It reminds me of Joel Osteen, of whom I am no fan at all.

[@51cathey]

Father, forgive and lead us.

[@nld-bl5ct]

These poor people have no idea that they are being manipulated en-mass,

[@jannawalters232]

Because no critical thinking!!!! "Tell me how to think"!

[@marklong4980]

I think the fact that they are reading the prosperity gospel "creed" in the service shows which god they really worship.

[@trulyso734]

Mammon

[@terraloft]

Because more are being Holy Spirit led to "clean house" just how rooted and grounded are we in Christ? Are we submitted to Lord Jesus ,under Blood for forgiveness of sin, indwelled with His Spirit, and living moving and having our being in Jesus only

[@drewboring4351]

Praise God for your discernment. I was a casual viewer of a few videos - now a subscriber.

[@LeadingWorshipWell]

Welcome to the LWW community Drew! 👊

[@drewboring4351]

Thank you! I consider it an honor to participate in the spreading of the FULL GOSPEL - that is the life death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. The only worthy sacrifice for my sin and the sins of the world.

[@airlangga123]

Thank you, Dear Brother. your videos motivates us to have pure hearts in worshiping Jesus.

[@cassandrahuskey8866]

Its SO simple!! Why do people make more of it than what ut is!!! Look at the Words of the song... do the words exalt and honor the Lord?? Yes or No? Nothing else matters... Worship and honor our King!

[@LeadingWorshipWell]

The problem is... It's not that simple. We can use the same words - God, Holy Spirit, Jesus and baptism - but mean completely different things. The vocabulary we use is defined by the CONTEXT in which we use it. For example, Bethel and I both use the word "God." We even both spell it with a capital G which differentiates us from when other people speak of "god." But I don't worship a God who can be called down by playing specific chord progressions. I don't worship a God who commands us to baptize people so that they can receive a double portion of the Holy Spirit or for the sole purpose of healing them - especially without any recognition of sin and repentance involved. I don't worship a God who promises to increase our income and decrease our expenses. And I don't worship a God who lives in the "third heaven." Therefore, we can both sing about God - even using the same song (which is why I think it's still okay to use some Bethel songs as long as the lyrics don't embody incorrect theology) but the CONTEXT in which they are used defines the vocabulary used in the songs. Thus, making one singing of the song glorifying while rendering another singing of the song unglorifying.

[@cassandrahuskey8866]

@@LeadingWorshipWell I agree with all you are saying. My statement assumed that people are using the wisdom and discernment the Lord has given us! Especially as a worship leader , even I vet songs before bringing them or introducing them to our congregations. When we are drawing near to the Lord,serving Him,seeking Him, He will lead us in the right ways. It is not lost on many churches regarding Bethel,Hillsong and the like….. OOHH YOU MEAN SIN??? We are ALL fallible ..Holy Spirit will let us know. I do appreciate your heart and all you are trying to bring to light because yes, many do lack wisdom and discernment . Especially new believers , new believers should NEVER be put in a leadership position. Thank you for your heart for worship, for our King and His sons and daughters. God Bless

[@LeadingWorshipWell]

Glad you're here Cassandra! Keep leading well! 👊

[@4custaywithme]

@@cassandrahuskey8866 A functioning discernment makes you leave not staying. [2 Corinthians 6:17 ►NIV Therefore, “Come out from them and be separate, says the Lord. Touch no unclean thing, and I will receive you.] Furthermore those who use the name of God are in church,who else is casting demons?Matthew 7:22-29 (NLT) Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name. ' But I will reply, 'I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God's laws. The onus and the burden of proof will always be on us the believers God has provided us the wherewithal HIS WORD. 2 Timothy 2:15 KJV Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.Matthew 7:20 So then, by their fruit you will recognize them.Matthew 24:11 and many false prophets will arise and will deceive many. 1 John 4 :: NIV. Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.John 7:24 tells us, "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment." The Bible has told us to judge, but we are to judge by what is right. We are not to condemn, and we are not to be judgmental. Rather, we should make evaluations. We should be discerning.

[@michaelthomas229]

@@LeadingWorshipWellAmen brother 🙏

[@Ljc2024]

If Bethel is making any $ off these songs, then we SHOULD NOTbe using their songs!

[@thebrunts1939]

Every worship songs we sing in church has a copyright which needs to to be paid by the church who sings it. It’s just peddling worship which is disgusting.

[@cathykiley7485]

More? Well more of Him. More and more.

[@judylloyd7901]

We don't "get more" of God, the Holy Spirit. God does not give the Spirit by measure - John 3:34. But as we give God access into different areas of our lives, He gets more of us, and we partake more and more in the life of God, and He has a greater and greater influence in us and through us. It's not about getting more of God, it's about Him getting more of us as we submit to Him. 😊😊

[@tanyataylor4555]

I'm not a worship leader. I know some of the songs that Bethel writes are 'biblical.' My problem with singing Bethel songs and downloading them, is that it gives Bethel more money to spread their false gospel. These songs lure true seekers into a false gospel.

[@sherrymeadows8758]

I agree!

[@rebeccaservin5822]

i’m not sure if shifting the atmosphere is wrong.

[@KIMRLew]

I believe the atmosphere does change when we come together and humble ourselves in worship.. we need to take time in worship and drop our cares we carried into church and focus on adoring Him. Then we are more receptive to the Word and what God has in store through the service

[@marklawrence9416]

I totally agree with you. There’s nothing wrong with using the gift of music to bring people into our Heavenly Father’s presence.

[@judylloyd7901]

​​​@@marklawrence9416 Nothing in scripture teaches us that music brings us into the presence of God. We can use music to sing our praise to God. But we can praise God well without music. We do need to use words when we communicate with God, though. It's the blood of Jesus that makes it possible to enter the presence of God, and we don't need our emotions manipulated with music to approach God. If the church leaders want to facilitate people's drawing near to God, they should read scriptures telling of the greatness and the wonders of God. That gives them something solid and valid to focus on. Otherwise they are being led by emotions, not by faith!😮

[@marklawrence9416]

@@judylloyd7901 Thanks your reply, not that I agree with you. Would it be wrong to look at the stars in the skies and to experience the miracle of childbirth and feel the presence of our Heavenly Father? Even Jesus our saviour was touched with emotions during his His earthly life. Our faith has an experiential aspect to it.

[@4custaywithme]

John 7:24 tells us, "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment." The Bible has told us to judge, but we are to judge by what is right. We are not to condemn, and we are not to be judgmental. Rather, we should make evaluations. We should be discerning.

[@jeansroses7249]

I am so amazed at Jesus. In my 40-plus years' knowing Him, He has always kept me from any involvement in all of these "super-spiritual" fads and movements that have come and gone. My first one was the John Wimber healing phenom, and I've seen so many-they've even touched my church at times, but I was never able to participate in them. Since then, I've had to realize that I was just seeking what I am hearing these bethel people seeking--more "spiritual woo-woo", rather than what was good for me, such as getting grounded in the Word and seeking Jesus' face. I think that's what you're seeing. People are not seeking Jesus and a closer walk with Him; they seem to want more power and goodies, like the spoiled kids of the rich man, who never want to just sit with him and be together...it seemed like Jesus was never even mentioned in the portion that was shared here.

[@ruthbuckley8607]

Your spirit should be decerning enough to realize your atmosphere you sit in. No matter the frequency, you will know.

[@cherilynhamilton746]

Hypnotic....new age!

[@Wpopof6]

We as believers need realize worship songs should focus on GOD not what we want our what makes us feel good . Many of us have become lovers of the world and what it has to offer. Jesus says if we love the world the love of the FATHER is not in us. Not all that says LORD LORD will enter heaven. Trust in GOD in ALL things and I mean ALL

[@TruthinLove33]

Giving should only be because of love… and not with the ulterior motive of getting something in return. That’s not dying to the old self… it’s promoting it!

[@roxiejohnson6813]

Amen!

[@justinschnebly3105]

Love all the info man , we just got our worship team together for the last couple months , and the info you post really helps brother . Appreciate it 😊

[@MemphisMike901]

It was not called “Tuning the room” but in the late 80’s early 90’s of Kent Henry it was done and continued as a mode during worship. So what Bethel calls it is nothing new it has and was been done back then and as keyboard player i will underscore a Pastor with a 1 IV progression at times.

[@MemphisMike901]

We also did it with Pads/strings. This is nothing new Bethel has created

[@user-bm8sn5ml9j]

He's not calling it new. He's calling it manipulative.

[@jmoss55ish]

Thank you Pastor. I’ve studied them years ago, along with Steven Furtic’s Church and a few others. I detest false teaching and the only way we can help others is to be ready to speak of their false teachings if, when, The Holy Spirit brings the opportunity our way. I do not believe we can have the opportunities if we are not aware of the false teachings these “Churches” follow. I very much enjoy Brandon Lake’s music who is the worship leader (I think) for Elevation. Same goes for the music sung by the worship leader at Andy Stanley’s “Church”. We know from scripture that there will be a great Apostasy and we are clearly seeing it now. The way to spot a fake $100 bill…is to first study the Real one.

[@soasonnybug]

Brandon Lake got his start with elevation but not part of them. He is worship pastor at sea coast church in Charleston,SC

[@enviouscanadian5387]

Amen brother! I was ssoo nervous at the beginning about what you were going to share. This church needs to be shut down.

[@user-sl4qe5fb8p]

I may be totally wrong on this but to me it seems to be sowing the seed of loving money which is totally unbiblical

[@kaylynn8696]

The "love" of money is the root of all evil.

[@roxiejohnson6813]

Giving because we are cheerful to be blessings to someone in need as unto the Lord with no thought of getting money back and knowing God will supply our needs according to His riches in glory.

[@carlenerosinski5095]

I have been digging in to Bethel for the past 2-3 yrs and am deeply disturbed by their teachings. I have been a part of the worship team at my church as well as numerous other ministerial positions since I got saved in 1985. I have left my church due to many unresolved problems & attended another church that I thought was safe only to find out that they have linked arms with Bethel in various ways. I attempted to share my concerns with the pastors but to no avail. I have not been a part of any congregation since last December due to difficulty in finding a church that doesn't sing Bethel, Hillsong or Elevation. I have researched(online) many churches in my area but thus far have been unable to find one that is a good fit. I feel as though God has me in a holding pattern and am waiting on Him for His guidance.

[@debbieberry4150]

Exactly. I have attended so many churches that have become business driven - focused on numbers, not hearts. Humility, repentance and obedience got lost in the crowd. It's more about control and conformity. Hard to explain- but I got worked up in the flesh and not the spirit. It's so sad. Others felt inspired- but I felt hollow.

[@reformationpresdotorg]

6:00 shifting the atmosphere has a parallel in traditional worship where we ask the congregation to prepare their hearts to enter the presence of God. Two points: it is appropriate to call to worship and ask for God's presence to dwell with his people. Second, reformed worship doesn't need music to tune the room, we usually do this in silent prayer.

[@christiroseify]

I praise God for the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and the "ears to hear"... It's like nails on a chalkboard to me when a false teacher starts talking...

[@jdigitalseven7]

The First Heaven is our sky, Second Heaven is Space, Third Heaven is GOD's dwelling place.

[@mentilly_all]

i mostly agree, but it aint the n.a.z.a. version of the 2nd heaven

[@PSModernKitchens]

I love this channel even more now! Thank you for speaking truth!

[@JanTijmes]

Good points. This would make a great couch discussion with you and 1 or 2 more Christians humbly talking about this. I'd watch that.

[@truthwins3065]

For 10 years, I lived in Redding 3 miles away from Bethel. I was a member for all 10 years but stopped going to church at all for the last three years because of an issue that is too involved to explain here. I will just say that I was devastated and only because of being a seasoned Christian did I survive the mistreatment i.e. spiritual abuse. I will just say that what you share here is the tip of the iceberg of the problems at Bethel. There are wonderful people there who truly love Jesus, but not everyone has the spiritual maturity and background of truly studying the scriptures to be aware of the things that are off base, New Age. the good news is that God Almighty is on the throne and he is cleaning house. The Bible says judgment comes to the household of faith first. It’s happening.

[@timrose3459]

David in the Bible would play his harp and the atmosphere with shift and the presence of God will come down. Read the story it says when he would play his harp that evil spirits would leave.

[@rainaterra]

I'm surprised 'winning the lottery' wasn't mentioned on that screen.

[@dennishart390]

I think the "crusty layer" is that top, crispy part of the dressing that's so good during our Thanksgiving meal.

[@trulyso734]

You just cant make sense of mumbo jumbo

[@benjamincortez3574]

Elijah needed an atmosphere shift 2 KINGS 3:15 But now bring me a minstrel.” And it came to pass, when the minstrel played, that the hand of the Lord came upon him.

[@JamesAllen-CoffeeAndTeaMan]

Great point!

[@petuniagranny2758]

There is a difference between listening to Godly music, and worshiping with Godly music and listening to music that is wordly. God knows the difference. We're talking about Elijah here not people following a different Jesus. I'm sure Elijah called for someone to play music that would have pleased the most high God.

[@FTD-Studios-FTD]

Thank you for making this video. We as believers have a responsibility to expose false teachers. Everyone pray for the salvation of their leaders and that they would publicly repent of this heresy and preach the gospel !!!

[@lmbevard55]

There are so many people out there that are taught the we cannot understand the words of the Bible that we need someone to teach then. So buy my books.

[@andresullivan6473]

Spencer smith says the same thing in his third adam series

[@pjmacaz9085]

Always the question is what is the focus? Thank you for pulling the curtain away for those who ignore the words of Jesus our Christ...

[@charlesroy3721]

Abrahams Blessing’s are ours,quoted in both Old and New Testaments.Didn’t God say Put me in remembrance/command ye Me’? Did David dummy up before Goliath or did he proclaim his intentions through Gods help?

[@roxiejohnson6813]

True. I think anything can get off balance. This is new to me so maybe I'm wrong. And I am just looking for a church so all of this is helpful. Thank you.

[@michaelc.fischer2439]

Thanks for this video. Please reach out to Mike Winger and Justin Peters and share with their audience. The word needs to get out more and more. I’m sickened in my heart for paying for two years to send my own daughter to this supernatural school. ✝️

[@lindaruiz9571]

Sending your daughter there is tragic.

[@benvillegas4258]

Turn your warfare against the enemy not other Christians.

[@danamorgan4373]

This is so sad. I never realized all that went on inside this church. Being raised in a cult this very much reminds me of that. False teachings that almost sound right but not quite.

[@user-no9yh5hc9h]

Does bethel receive any kind royalties when we use their songs for corporate worship? That's the main argument I had for eliminating ALL songs associated with them (including Living Hope).

[@kevink9938]

yes they do, sort of, maybe. back in the ’90s church secretaries would keep track of what songs were used (if the church cared enough) and send royalties to a company for distribution. i think that’s changed somewhat and now one pays a single annual fee and it’s not so much for live use as for potential rebroadcasts (live streams etc.)

[@jasonethel2679]

Thanking you for your work and sharing your thoughts. Have you considered there is more to the statement that “truth is truth” therefore it must be ok? As with all our biblical understanding, context plays a very important role (eg when Jesus was tempted in the wilderness, garden of Eden). So if we sing/recite a truth that comes in the context of a movement that you know has MAJOR issues, could you see the many pitfalls lyrically, theologically and by association you’d have to navigate as a worship leader? There’s a rather longish KZbin post by Alisa Childers exploring how she’s actually changed from “truth is truth” to not a good idea (paraphrase). Keep up the good work, great content.

[@LeadingWorshipWell]

Interesting thought! I think you raise a good point. I'll consider that idea - thanks for pointing that out! 👊

[@jaredlowry3547]

Very true. An example that comes to mind is the song “King of My Heart”. The bridge lyrics say “You’re never gonna let me down”. I do believe that God never lets us down. But probably not in the same way that the writer of that song intended. I think there are situations where we experience suffering in this life, but that ultimately “all things work together for good to them that love God” (Romans 8:28). That means that we may never see “breakthrough” for health or finances or whatever on this side of eternity, but that we have a good reward waiting for us if we love the Lord and follow Him. However, somebody with a shallow understanding of that lyric could become disillusioned with church or Christianity when they experience disappointment in their life and start thinking that God let them down. I’ve seen this type of thing happen personally. We need to be very careful to take our role as worship leaders seriously and think about the misconceptions or presuppositions that people may have when they sing a lyric.

[@kinghengkeithleung3931]

@@jaredlowry3547 Good reminder - thank you

[@roxiejohnson6813]

@@jaredlowry3547 I think this is a good reminder. Even when we pray for healings for others we must not forget that and in my own "sufferings" count it all joy and know He never lets me down. Dying to self is painful but joyful and freeing at the same time because He is the vine and we are His branches. He is so patient and powerful.

[@wildwoodchristianchurch-ge4050]

I tried to watch one of those services because of some questions I’ve had about their music ( theological issues and me Me Me Me issues) I fell asleep before the first hour was done. Maybe it’s just me but The songs are so repetitive and “empty” feeling even though the musicians seemed so “elevated “. It was strange.

[@tonjarook9144]

Wow! This was very eye opening and so troubling. God be merciful to them.

[@joshmusic.official]

God bless you pastor. Others may use His word for the bad but God uses them for the good. In the end God is still the author. Thank you for your tips in worship by the way. ❤

[@yanazlot4529]

Thank you for sharing! So helpful 🙌

[@user-og2wt3le4j]

At 11:07. I went to the Toronto Airport Fellowship many years ago in the late 1990s. There were people in a big warehouse setting rolling around on the ground laughing. It had something to do a Bible passage that said people were so filled with the spirit they laughed. What I actually witnessed was more like nervous laughter which can be contagious in a large group setting. Anyways I left and never returned. I dis not think it a reverent way to worship Christ.

[@patrickmccarthy6798]

I always thought we were supposed to be faithful with a little and then God will give us more, in other word, good stewards with what we're given, not to pray to be given so much that we can be bad stewards and then still have abundance. However, in a roundabout way, Bethel caused me to want to dig deeper into my Bible.

[@LifewithLeahBranson]

Worship is obedience...worship is giving worth + movement ( action) to whatever you're worshipping...people worship a whole lot of things besides Christ...namely the flesh...singing and raising hands that aren't clean. With hearts that aren't pure...most CERTAINLY IS NOT WORSHIP.

[@bertmoodley3888]

The Gospels and Epistles are key to the believers life by faith we take hold of promises of God and search the things of God Jesus will know what's good for you .

[@geoffmaxwell7442]

I am on the same page as you. I watched the service before listening to your observations. Came up with the same points as you. Thank you for sharing.🙂

[@thartwig26]

We attended a church like this. It got really weird right before we left. Thankfully, God showed me some of the things wrong with the church, the biggest being witchcraft.

[@christinaostapovicz6125]

Thank you so much

[@user-nu4tr6sb1q]

Those reasons are NOT why anyone should get water baptized. Are they not being taught the scripture at all ?

[@FTD-Studios-FTD]

No they are not being taught scripture. Look up videos done by brother Justin Peters. He has videos that go in-depth about it many of their practices that are stemed from both the occult and Hinduism. Everything from rolling on the floor in giggle fits to "necking" and holy ghost head nibbles from hand puppets... Its absolute insanity

[@markwhitmore7013]

2nd John says that we are not even to let false teachers into our homes (context: house churches -- or simply the meetings where true christians gather). How then is this a sound opinion that we can still sing songs written by known heretical false teachers and visibly and financially endorse their false ministries? If we know this, then aren't these the matters of idolatry, obedience, purity and protection?

[@jeanclaude7018]

I live around the corner from multiple Bethel campuses. They just started on another 37 acre campus. Bethel is a roaring enterprise in Redding CA . I've heard they believe in grave sucking and flopping around on the floor after they are "SLAIN by the spirit " I was also told it's so.loud they give out ear protection at the door. I don't go there so I don't know. I have heard them doing their goofy giggling they call holy laughter.

[@gravityworks777]

Because offering thanksgiving and praise to the Lord does NOTHING to the atmosphere(spiritual realm we also exist in) I guess. Wonder why the Lord tells us to do that??

[@roxiejohnson6813]

Stayin in an atmosphere of thanksgiving and praise changes me. In a household of seekers and non believers I can be salt and light. I am given the Joy of the Lord and it is strengthening me daily.

[@marshbox]

Some of the people's comments are critical but off. Eg - Just because you don't like Bethel, or how they do worship doesn't mean you have to drop a song, you otherwise enjoy, from your own assemblies. Also re the baptisms, God answers us at our point of need according to our faith which can include being healed, given an anointing, delivered or whatever He wills, not whether we know the correct doctrine about water baptism.

[@jeffmcelroy5364]

You need to reexamine and reevaluate what you "understand" to be biblical....or not. Based on the comment you posted here, you have been swept up in the post-modern notion of anything goes. "The Church Of Oprah" has no place in the minds and hearts of those who call Jesus Lord and Savior of their life.

[@lornah9267]

I have watched a different Bethell baptism service to you, and I was horrified that not one person in the line mentioned anything to do with their salvation, Christ, repentance, or that being baptised is a public declaration of our surrendering our lives to Christ. - It was all very egocentric, nauseating garbage that had no relation to anything I have ever read in the Bible. They are definitely more New Age than Christian. They never mention taking up their cross to follow Jesus - they don’t believe there should be any personal cost to following Jesus.

[@sharoncolley]

The Lord will say, "I never knew you".

[@michaelthomas229]

@@Real_Michael_Jordanthat’s exactly what the lord will say 🙏

[@jamesearl389]

watch it

[@catpocalypsenow8090]

No one has been to space actually. That is a deception.

[@saxophonistscorner]

5:12 'tuning the room', really, this is a tactic?

[@PeggyFields]

2 Kings 2:9 says When they had crossed, Elijah said to Elisha, “Ask what I shall do for you, before I am taken from you.” And Elisha said, “Please let there be a double portion of your spirit on me.” Is this verse referring to a double portion of Elijah's spirit or the Holy Spirit?

[@COCOAGRAY]

Good question. Wish he would answer it. I love the way he teaches how important it is to discern truth from lies. The only way is to diligently study scripture, with really good teachers!

[@randibass7558]

This is all sickening. How are they so WAY off?? Was Jesus mentioned even once?

[@rickykennedy]

Well done, Sir it's out of control with these people keep exposing them. God bless