League of Legends is TOXIC

[@Alchemic09]

Tyler1 is a very fascinating league of legends story. He started out as the posterboy of toxicity, he was personally permabanned, and then he turned into the posterboy for the game, sort of.

[@ladyilex]

oh no cosmic reaver kassadin avatar

[@KamiShinigamiSama]

Hes still extremely toxic.

[@ChaosMind10531]

​@@KamiShinigamiSama No one denies that though... XD

[@Bubbble_Bear]

​@@KamiShinigamiSama I think his toxicity is only character play but at the same time I'm convinced that LoL just naturally brings out the worst of us

[@arosbastion7052]

@@ChaosMind10531 I do. Anyone that thinks Tyler is "toxic" nowadays wouldn't last a minute in a Modern Warfare 2 lobby

[@Sveeq]

Lucky for you guys, League players hate League. You are safe on this front :D

[@YaraUwU]

If anything were mad it's in C and not F tier.

[@donston5624]

as a league player i agree we hate league

[@anthonystaton3740]

TRUTH

[@Takoala]

Yep

[@notactuallyacat.]

I like playing Bard and nyooming around the map

[@7ANKOUCH]

1:36 the problem is that they use it to get under their teammates' skins and not the enemy 🤣

[@Sirawxy]

Lol, exactly 😅

[@fishbones3650]

7 years of my life, I just learned this today HAHAHAHA

[@anubis63000jd]

You are 100% correct.

[@daltonfreeman6551]

literally came down to comment this

[@dontblattme7227]

The amount of griefing in it is also insane even in ranked like JESUS CHRIST DONT FUCKING PLAY TEAM GAMES

[@tinycandleman]

As someone who plays League daily, 100% agree with everything you say. As much fun as I have playing the game, it's one of the most miserable things I can do to myself. Bob was 100% accurate with the balancing issues, and the way players act. I cant even say that I dont act that way when I play, it really does fuck with you. It's one of my all time most played games, but I'd still agree with their rating. The game is 100% the most mid popular game to exist, and you are better off shooting yourself in the foot than interacting with the community.

[@themasterseye]

The problem is the absolute mountain of time it takes to be able to understand and play the game. It is a game with incredible complexity, COMBINED with every detail matters, so you need to have a basic grasp on every little thing, while there are 100 million little things to learn. It makes for an incredibly toxic environment because all those tiny details are "common sense" to someone, why doesnt everyone know them.

[@ChaosMind10531]

This and DOTA are only bearable if you are actually only playing with friends (who are capable/ experienced) in the game... Otherwise... You'll almost always will play with at least one dumbass... XD

[@deadpie01]

@@themasterseye and while you’re trying to learn these things you’re also having to dead with people shouting at you with all caps because you don’t know the things

[@Obscurite1221]

Balancing is rarely the actual issue. For as much as people complain, most champions are released weak, and even the strong champions aren't OP, they're just rarely countered by people because most people play their comfort picks. That said, players are definitely the worst part of the game.

[@blackbeard653]

I get a dopamine rush when I do good in a game. Then next match I play against Faker and rethink my life decisions. Pretty much the entire cycle of League for a lot of people like me

[@annemeownie]

As someone who plays League of Legends, playing the game w/strangers is basically like coming across a cat on the street and wanting to pet it Either they are neutral, somewhat nice/decent, or the most common thing where they hiss/attack you with or without a reason. But since you like cats, you repeat the cycle, even if you now you’re gonna get scratched lmao

[@notactuallyacat.]

Great analogy. I just wanna pet the cats

[@annemeownie]

@@notactuallyacat. for real. Best part is like when they scratch you and you’re like “ouch dammit!!” * *goes back to doing whatever caused you to get scratched again* * 😂

[@hiitsme5524]

Petting street cats is a risk, if they think you're trying to attack them, you're gonna get attacked or they'll get scared and just run away but if they understand you're friendly they'll be okay with you. It's a gamble really, one that I do regularly

[@annemeownie]

@@hiitsme5524 either that or they’re just little shits tbh (srry for the late reply) Theres like a hundred of stray cats i come across per day (3rd world country, so stray are overpopulated) and they’ll bite you even if you & they are nice. Had several instances where the cat wanted head scritches then later they bite my hand before headbutting my leg pfft

[@coblopablo4953]

Playing league is more like being stuck in a burning building with a bunch of people you're trying to get out but everyone is constantly trying to break your kneecaps and throw obstacles in front of you WHY WONT THEY BUFF SHACO FPJSIWPSLISPS G in my de ki de dl I've I'll do KB da da da hm in da LP

[@Ralxikas]

Toxicity is the main reason why I usually have both my teammates and the chat muted. I do understand that your enemies try to get into your heads when they trash talk you, but trash talking your teammates does not accomplish anything. If anything, it could make them feel bad about themselves and cause them to try even less.

[@thebfbs8746]

Yeah. It makes me play way worse cause of stress and pressure. I’ve gotten demotivated from playing a lot of games because before I can get good at them, I run into a lot of toxic people that just literally rip into me for not being on their “God like” tier level. And when you beat those people, they still rip into you and call you trash. It’s pretty much a lose-lose.

[@premiumsloppa]

@@thebfbs8746 i mean if you play like an aids victim you probably deserve flame ngl

[@Wolta]

The problem isn't enemy being toxic to you, it's your own teammates being toxic to you. One small slip up gets magnified a thousand fold by your own teammates. And when they go through the exact same slip up, they''ll deny and defend themselves like their life depends on it. It doesn't become about winning, it becomes about playing the game absolutely perfectly. The few games I've enjoyed over the course of a decade are the ones where we're all okay with eachother making mistakes. The game is really fun, but the competitive nature of its audience makes it less fun. Me and my friends talk about League like it's a cigarette. When we come home from work "wellp, time to get my daily dose of cancer!", and when some of us quit we're all supportive and praise eachother. It feels so strange to think about how this is normal behavior for us.

[@Grinkuse]

Hearing markiplier talk about league is a mental whiplash I never could’ve been prepared for

[@hbm7350]

I’m not a fan of the game; I never played it but I have no plans for playing it in the future. I do like the stuff outside the game; Arcane the show is really good, the music is enjoyable as well, I like the animations and cinematics outside the game because they’re just better quality and as far as I’m concerned there isn’t much toxicity in that aspect

[@rifttwolf2147]

don't play it XD just don't it took me ages to get away from it. I might not mind if I had a full team of friends to play with but the players can be the worst human beings on earth

[@lightblazer1586]

Dude finally someone put what I thought about the game into words, I don't like the games community when their toxic but I love it when it's just the cinematics and show

[@rifttwolf2147]

@@lightblazer1586 don't get me wrong, I loved the game, I really did I had some of the best times playing but I just couldn't deal with the strangers playing it. I still appreciate the designs and I own one of the 1100 Ahri: A New Dawn statues. Loved Arcane and I still have a bunch of my collectables but I just couldn't deal with the community. the worst part imo is how entitled some of them are. every post Riot tried to make, look in the comments URF URF URF URF URF GIVE US URF. the mode was a damned april fools joke, get over it.

[@lightblazer1586]

@@rifttwolf2147 ok I understand

[@Crabgar]

People are absolutely delusional about their place in the game. Everyone knows how to play the game better, it is not a game to have fun, but to WIN, it is always someone else's fault and if not, Riot is the absolute worst company to ever release a videogame and death threats have been sent out because of balance changes. I genuinely don't understand how a videogame turns normal people into frothing animals this quickly. I personally don't really care about the toxicity, the worst thing someone can do is ruin the fun for the rest of the team and that rarely happens nowadays. I just think it's annoying that the discussion around the game is just "the game is toxic" outside the playerbase and " *I* think the game and company is bad" within it.

[@waterking74]

Hearing stories about League of legends feels like the endless awful cycle of an abusive relationship. 😥

[@enquuu]

until someone breaka free from it and just stops still quite an apt description tho

[@msbradley9]

Im happy to hear Bob give praise to heroes of the storm, it makes me sad it has no more developers

[@TrilainaBloodwind]

There are technically devs on the game, but they are such a tiny team it's mostly a maintenance staff that's working on fixing bugs and updating the current rotation of heroes n stuff.

[@yamz8831]

League is like an addiction you know you shouldn't have but you just can't withdraw from it, no matter what you do. The game itself is... actually kinda enjoyable, trying to improve your skills and whatnot but if you want the best experience from it, you just have to mute every single person in the chat XD Trying to communicate with others is the biggest mistake you can make when you play League. Just stay away from the community and you might actually start liking the game lmao

[@elementalwoof]

I have this exact feeling, but about Rocket League, the community is similarly toxic (although, never having played LoL I can't reasonably compare the two) and it's a very addictive game. You know it's a problem when you have to force yourself to stop playing because you need sleep.

[@sannice]

Exactly for ML also. Sorry im not a pro player so just playing the mobile noober version of MOBA 😂

[@rifttwolf2147]

I have been clean for 3 years now barring a minor relapse a few months ago where I played a handful of games then realised the old joy wasn't there anymore. maybe cos all of the people I used to play with have kinda faded from my life probably because of my initial quitting. League is more fun with friends although I did get a kick out of playing Book Cat and being the most annoying thing in the game for my opponents

[@Moxie2017]

@@elementalwoof I'll be honest, I've had worse experiences with Rocket League toxicity due to the spamminess of it and the fact that most of the flamers are ragey children, meanwhile League it's just older people venting.

[@andrewmetasov]

The universe around League is so much better and bigger than the game itself... playing League because you just enjoy playing it (without being good) is hard but possible

[@busterb2958]

Honestly just watch Arcane instead. It’s easier, more enjoyable, and gives you much more lore

[@Bladebrent]

I used to play League (one of the few who 'quit' and actually did stop playing as its been years), and it was fun. Made some good friends over league. But I think the game's gotten more toxic over time. I realized that its very easy to be judgemental of your teammates especially when you dont see what they're doing, or they arent doing exactly what you would've done in the same spot. It literally got so bad I just stopped playing. I realized I wasnt having fun regardless of if I won or loss, and people were just so bad to each other I was muting people every game. 3:00 I always assumed that was just people whining cause theres patches every two weeks with alot of things changing up and down. I had heard of Tyler1 but never watched his stuff. I really wouldnt be shocked if the toxic players just get cultivated cause they see big esports dudes being toxic to their teammates and they go 'oh sweet, Im justified in doing this!" I also hate the term 'Kappa" because of league. People would say it ALL THE TIME but I didnt watch Twitch, and there were no 'in-chat emotes' so I had no idea what that was or why people said it and I just never got an answer what that meant. I'll be thankful that the fighting game community, excluding some elitist jerks, is filled with alot more cool people that are more willing to help you learn instead of just yelling at you cause you're doing a weird build despite the fact you're literally the only person on the team with more kills than deaths

[@arosbastion7052]

A fighting game is a 1v1 game though. In League, if you're doing a troll build or playing badly, you're ruining the game for the 4 other people on your teama.

[@katierasburn9571]

@@arosbastion7052 its a game bro someone not playing 10000% perfectly is not ruining it, you raging all over chat and making them feel like shit for it IS ruining it

[@selfish.machines]

in case mark bob or wade see this or if anyone cares, mark is currently going viral for a clip of him talking about ADHD on distractible and it’s bringing a lot of attention not only towards the podcast but also people learning about what ADHD actually is and I just wanna say thank you

[@kerianhalcyon2769]

I personally had no idea, I'll have to look into that. I've got family who run a business helping people of different ages deal with ADHD, autism, and other attention disorders so I'll have to pass that along when I find it.

[@danielbarnes1241]

The problem is riot has made the game (especially ranked) 1v9. Basically they encourage you to play for yourself regardless of role in what should be a team game. That on top of very poor moderation of bots, smurfs, competitive/popularity weighted balancing/designs and generally non consumer friendly business decisions have left the community a battlefield over the 10+ years the games been out. There's a reason league players were screaming not to play league when arcane came out 💀

[@AmorDeae]

the funniest part is League players will mostly agree riot games drove their cash cows into the ground in term of actual gameplay especially league, rereleasing same champions but better, and the ever increasing amount of champions against a constant since the beginning amount of 5 bans Most people play it cause their friends play it cause when they were younger they watched their siblings or parents play it, if I ever fire up that god forsken game again I will always ask the whole lobby to rate the game

[@corvespid4925]

I have never understood the acceptance of harassment/trash talking as a sports tactic. Basically just trying to undermine a person's actual performative skills so one can win over them? I'd rather see people try to match their actual skills and not their ability to debase one another.

[@themasterseye]

Mental hardiness and an ability to overcome hardship IS a skill. In fact its arguably the most important skill for any athlete or competitor.

[@emprahsfinest7092]

cry baby

[@gothicMCRgirl]

Yeah. This is why E-Sports will never be taken seriously, because with physical sports, you NEED to have a sense of decorum, restraint and show sportsmanship to your fellow competitors on the field. If you behave like a baby and disrespect people, you get banned or thrown from your team 🤷‍♀️ there are consequences for behaving like a fool and gaming events really don’t enforce any conduct rules, if they even have them to begin with.

[@ChaosMind10531]

Hahaha... As if we haven't seen trash talks and beef in physical sports as well... Don't lie to yourselves...

[@waterking74]

@@ChaosMind10531 have u been shit talked at a real life sporting event?

[@F1fangirl96]

As someone whose left league and went back multiple times. I’ve stayed away permanently since 🤣🤣🤣

[@lostinaconstellation1737]

One of the lucky few. I've tried quitting so many times and here I am, like 6 years later, still getting flamed by 12 year olds.

[@DjWyv3rn]

Lucky. Been playing since season 2. I legit don't know how to quit, because the game keeps updating characters I like, and reeling me back in.

[@lostinaconstellation1737]

@@DjWyv3rn that's how they getcha

[@TrilainaBloodwind]

HOLY CRAP! Bob and Wade BASED for playing HotS! That game is so fire, and I still play it to this day!

[@owenwheeler7858]

I solely play league with friends and mute opponents as soon as they say anything toxic. That is the only way I can enjoy the game

[@thomasshepherd8198]

I remember my experience with league. I had been playing for about 2 weeks with my whole first week spent against bots learning a little bit about the game and how characters play. I then went into the multiplayer casual side, not even ranked and within my first 3 games was told to kill myself more then I thought was possible. And to be fair I wasn't good at the game and I used a weird build on a mid tier character. (I believe at least, I was not and am not an expert on anything of that game.) After that, combined with the fact that anytime I played my crappy little laptop would try and light on fire I decided it wasn't worth it and left. Overall 10/10 experience and would never recommend it to anyone. There are easier ways to be insulted and have them actually mean something.

[@staby3956]

League is a lot more fun when you’re playing with friends instead of a group randos. I haven’t played normal league but I’d give Wild Rift a B

[@amatoyoichi8468]

Keep it coming. Even we league player hate this game with pure burning passion

[@DeAtruche]

League is a generally pretty toxic head, but honestly if you have the right mindset you just have a lot of fun and are relatively kind to your teammates. [Dis be an edit] I also wanna quickly defend myself as a league player, League can be reaaaalllly toxic at times, but I've been in more games where the 2 teams basically just meme on eachother and have fun than I've been in games where I feel really bad about existing.

[@kaheichan6228]

Yeah, the thing about the game i find is that a really nice game of league is one of the most fun game experiences you can have. On the other hand, most games are not like this.

[@cymonin5549]

I think League media outside of the actual game itself is always incredible.

[@nemesis041]

MOBAs, in general, have toxicity because they demand teamwork, and people want their teammates to be the best, and if they don't perform to their expectations, they get sour. Dota 2 and League of Legends got this problem. ANY competitive game will suffer from this issue, whereas more causal games, such as a game I play, Warframe, there's very little toxicity.

[@nirablackfire2792]

Know this is late, but gotta give a like for the mention of Warframe. The community is the exact OPPOSITE of league. People will just give you items for free if you just really need something. And on the occasion where you need to jump into a public mission most of the time everyone just sticks to the mission instructions and try to keep up with the fastest player.

[@julianmills6651]

R.I.P Zombiemold

[@ClocKim]

Absolute respect to bob for playing heroes, loved that game so much

[@varethedemon]

I'm a bard main who likes spreading positivity in the rift. :) Few people have a response to relentless positivity, and those that persist with negativity usually end up being roped into a "love- hate" relationship. I've very rarely had issues with persistent toxicity, and those that do are usually very obviously racist or homophobic, so end up getting 9-vote banned.

[@DjWyv3rn]

I'm a Rell one trick, and the most toxic thing I get is "What does your champ even do?" or "Your champ is garbage." Extremely amusing.

[@alkeemist007]

@@DjWyv3rn Still haven't seen two Rells since the midscope update

[@deletodraw1944]

works in other games too, adding fuel to the fire only makes it stronger, but using a fire extinguisher pushes them to be flustered, and confused on how to response.

[@DjWyv3rn]

@@alkeemist007 I feel that. As much as I love her, I have been a little disappointed with riots decision on her rework, and her awkward power budget. Still getting used to it, though. A lot of the other Rell Mains on reddit seem to have given her up completely, which I can whole heartedly understand.

[@hoovy2319]

It’s psychologically addicting. Winning a hard fought match after a long loss streak feels sooo good

[@generalgrievous4254]

It’s fascinating that what you describe is the effect some people have. Me personally, I would take that win as an excuse to go offline. A prisoner who hatched a well thought-out, tedious, and successful escape plan doesn’t return to his cell following his escape, after all.

[@vicariousxiv2436]

I played LoL for maybe... 5 or 6 years. I quit a couple years ago cause it demanded so much time investment and the community was beyond toxic, basically the amount of time I was putting into it was no longer worth it just because of the community. Honestly sad, cause I still like the game, balancing issues and all, I just refuse to play with those kinds of people. There are so many other things, even just other games, that are so much more worth my time.

[@NerdyStarProductions]

The only people who'd disagree with a rank of C or D are the newer folk starting to get into the game. As a league player who's been playing for over a decade, and still boots up the occasional ARAMs every other day, I'd put it at F tier... I pray that one day I will find my way out, but today is not that day 😭

[@mr.a.7977]

I used to play a lot of league in highschool with my friends and made a lot more along the way with whom I still keep in touch today, but after graduation many of us barely played it cuz the game was fun when all of us would play it together. Some of us stopped playing it, some still play from time to time. I uninstalled the game some time ago. It's a fun game, but not when you're playing alone and most probably going ranked solo/duo. For me it got really boring at some point: flaming, FF 15, lanes diff, running it down (and I mean going straight into towers), I've seen all this thousands of times. It's like watching the same episode of some show again and again. Whenever people play this game that will act in a certain way and never think outside the box. I've had a good time playing it but now it's time to move on. Might play it again if me and my friends ever wanna do a clan reunion. (Yeah, clans were a thing in league)

[@Sylaren]

Anyone know what that cool salt lamp is in the background at 0:35? 😊 the animated looking one

[@Sicanda]

That's the same reason I stopped playing both LoL and HotS. At first I thought it's gonna get better once I get good at it, and I DID get pretty good at HotS, but still, there are so many players who are just constantly flaming as soon as the game starts, even if they are not playing well themselves (or probably for that very reason, to try and push the blame away). And it gets SO tiring. And I get it, sometimes you need an outlet for your anger, but why does it have to be a game where you're supposed to play as a team?

[@ZeroPointAlpha]

Like Mark, I also tried out DoTA back when it was just a WCIII mod. And by "tried out DoTA" I naturally mean "95-98% of all custom lobbies were bot-hosted DoTA matches so there was fuck-all else to do in custom lobbies". Joined a match. Started to download the map. Kicked instantly. Joined another match. Downloading map, kicked instantly. Apparently, these nerds were so insistent that if you had to download the map from the host, you were dog shit on their shoe and not worth their time, so you had to download the official version off of the website. Did that. Joined a match. Introduced myself and included "I'm new so I hope this turns out alright!". Instant-kicked. Tried another one. Skipped the introduction. Actually made it into the match. Had no clue what the heroes had to offer so I picked the one I liked the looks of most. In most other MOBA or MOBA-like maps I had played, using hero abilities against mobs was okay, encouraged even. Not in DoTA. The instant I used a hero ability on a mob, *the entire server lost its fucking mind* like they just watched me devour a newborn kitten and proceeded to rain obscenities upon me from a maelstrom of pure malice. Hands-down the most toxic online community I've wandered into. And I'm told League is *worse* than that.

[@thegoldavenger.3829]

I won’t play league simply because of this. It’s not the insults that are the problem I’ve been in mw2 lobbies after all lmao, it’s the fact that I get a sense of superiority from some veterans

[@nyxmoonveil]

League is so toxic that even people in bot games can't help themselves but be terrible to other players, it really turned me off from playing further unless I'm playing with a group of my own friends. Honestly the only game mode I'm still interested in is TFT, because you basically don't have to interact with anyone lol. I wish they had a separate launcher just for that.

[@zeebo30]

i know it doesn't matter at all but unless something changed since i played it (which was admittedly several years ago) league has at least 3 maps, summoners rift being the one everyone plays, twisted treeline which is a 2 lane map, and then there's a 1 lane map i can't remember the name of that's basically only used for aram (all random all mid)

[@thepurperpanther2642]

Played League once and quit. First match I won while being the MVP so I decided to pick the same character for the next round, not knowing the communtiy deemed him awful. In my second match, one guy disconnected, the other three all picked a lane and were toxic-ly telling me to back off of their lane and jungle areas... In the end I got banned for not being surviving a 1v5 gank, the official reason for the ban was being a beginner... I WAS a beginner, but I just uninstalled the game when I saw "being a noob" is an actual reason for reporting/banning players.

[@Thunder0usKitsune]

Let’s be real… league is almost always fun with friends. Non of that try hard elo hell known as ranked that is the main cesspool of toxicity. Just aram, rotating game modes, and fucking around in a norm game or custom. Some of my favorite moments in LoL is both teams getting together and just messing around. League has excellent lore though (as demonstrated with Arcane) and not to mention their cinematic trailers are almost always phenomenal

[@biaspace1338]

I would 100% say that the community is an aspect worth bringing up when ranking how good of an *experience* a game brings you. It might not be a relevant aspect when stating how well a game is made, but since these rankings consider every aspect of the games in question, it's an important topic to discuss. There's a reason I'd rather play Deep Rock Galactic every day over a game like League. Because on one side you have a game where everyone is working together, being nice to each other, discouraging toxic behavior, congratulating each other on their accomplishments, encouraging each other to keep playing, having a bunch of good laughs under the umbrella of a bunch of humble, kind developers, just generally being lovely, and on the other side, you have the gameplay equivalent of scratching your nails on chalkboard.

[@missobvious5436]

My friends finally got me to play league after more than a year of me saying I won't play it because "it really just sounds like you hate your life when you play it" (which they answered with yes). League players hate league. From my own experience it can be really fun if you have a good winning round but then you sometimes get stomped so bad from the very first minute of the game that you already know you're not gonna win and then you can't even escape that half hour hell without a penalty. Granted I've never played a normal or ranked game (I was advised to stay with the "fun" gamemodes) but between getting frustrated because the other team wiped yours out completely and the fact that the balancing issues can make or break your game it can get you really mad. Not to mention that getting/stealing kills can be the thing that breaks your team like mario cart breaks friendships.

[@rebel4life449]

The only part of League that I’ve gotten into was Arcane and that’s about it.

[@EtherealCatGames]

I can honestly agree with what you guys are saying here. I think the game itself is interesting in it's own sort of way, but the playerbase and just how it affects people in general is really what made me quit the game. I've been off the game for well over a year now because I was just not liking how I was acting while playing and also just watching how my friends were acting in the game and all the other players just ultimately led to me actually just hating the game altogether. I have felt much better without it. I still look at clips at times and I think the new characters are nice, but it's not enough for me to want to go back to it either

[@mekhakreature]

I played League when I was in hs, and only stuck around for awhile because I had the opposite of Wade's experience; I did a few rounds and my friends that played regularly were like "why are you good at this?? Isn't this your first MOBA?? I don't... I don't understand." so I kept playing cuz it was fun and they wanted to continually team up with me. Then some of their other friends joined us and _they_ were assholes and so I played with randos until I couldn't stand it and quit. I played a lot of HOTS tho, that was fun. I feel like that one is better built to let you fuck around against bots and avoid many people. I gave that one up when I gave up my blizzard games during college though.

[@Kazantha]

I haven't played that in a long time... The players are toxic.... but the gameplay is so fun...

[@StarboyXL9]

The best defense against toxicity like that is to be unflappable and do the occasional fatal blow of toxicity, usually a heavily irony-baked riposte in response to continuous toxicity from someone. If you prove yourself to have iron skin, and then destroy your enemy with only three words, you usually get respect from that lobby from then on. It's like prison in that sense. The other defense is to be even more radioactive than them, but not in an aggressive fashion. Just passively radiate toxic energy until everyone else gets so uncomfortable they can't stand it. Usually brings them into submission. This has been my MOBA (and general Internet ) experience.

[@blazingstorm9351]

I'm not mostly into League anymore, mainly the game. I'm more into the story around the champions of the games. Let's be real, a lot of recent players joined the community probably probably by outside of League. Skins are nice though in League, I just don't play it too much.

[@Kev-O33]

so glad they acknowledged this

[@danielbarnes1241]

Literally everyone knows this 🤨

[@GeekBot404]

i miss zombiemold

[@JohnPaul_kun]

this is the curse of league I thought I wound quit for good but end up coming back on this darn game

[@freyabowen2779]

The issue is absolutely other people, because particularly for league Jungle and Bot are arguably the most important roles, so if you have someone who’s toxic or plays bad or even is new. You are screwed.

[@vyke_24]

As someone who plays League, it's honestly a fun game but just like Mark said the game is terrible because of the toxic people who play it, the game is also addicting that's why some people can't get away from it which is bad because of how much time you're gonna consume by even playing one match and the toxicity isn't good for your health. I agree with the ranking but if toxicity didn't exist in league I would put it at A also don't play the game save yourself.

[@Patrick_The_Pure]

As someone with plenty of playtime in Smite, i stopped playing because of the players. Either you get people with the situational awareness of a slug, you get people who insult you for them playing like crap, or the enemy team is so garbage that you're not having fun and then in the result screen you can enjoy that toxic dumpster fire. The idea of the game is good, it's just that 85% of people suck at moba's (or games in general) and the only reason they play it, is cause it's free. I felt like 95% of my time in the game wasn't fun, felt like i was wasting my time.

[@FreddyKruegerTheDreamDemon]

Hey man, don't insult slugs

[@Patrick_The_Pure]

@@FreddyKruegerTheDreamDemon Sorry about that man, slugs indeed have great use in nature.

[@wardenlight5625]

the widely balancing issue is do to esports because riot will see the winning team and nerf their picks while buffing the picks of the losing team in order to shake up the meta

[@m.mallecho]

When I used to play, I used to warn new players and friends getting into it that there are some awesome people to meet but honestly you'd have to go through entire sections of levels that were completely toxic to get there. XD

[@oneanaovoste9719]

Honestly, I think for online specific games, the community SHOULD count towards the game's rating. There are a few games that I would probably rank more favorably, if not for the community.

[@quanzhang201]

I'm someone who definitely mainly plays MOBA by definition (most hours played are MOBA games). I play the most in SMITE, second Dota 2, third League of Legends, and a short while in other MOBAs. League in my opinion is 100 percent the most toxic, but it's also the most popular. SMITE and Dota 2 have their own toxic communities as well. In terms of gameplay, I actually think LoL is the worst of the 3. I think having 160+ champions in the game leaves little to no room for unique playstyles and abilitites. Plus the time to kill in that game is so low that it's just not fun in majority of the games I've played. I for sure liked the game as some points but it's just not a good playable game. Now SMITE was slowly turning into this as well with the time to kill and they revamped the entire thing because everyone had a complaint about it. I can see why league of legends is popular with how "beginner" friendly it is for those who either rarely plays games or just suck at it. But I cannot see the majority actually enjoying the game with all the cons, which is why I stopped playing it.

[@notkimpine]

yes i love this comedy podcast on spotify. i enjoyed it while playing old ps2 games and switch too... and also read comics while random talking in the background

[@Alchemic09]

I have a lot of experience with league of legends, played since right after the launch, but I haven't played it in 1.5 years, and honestly, would not go back. Good GAME, terrible people both static and dynamic.

[@fangliciazillake673]

As a league of legends player that actually wants to just have fun, yes I cannot play alone, yes it makes me toxic too, and yes I have no problems of them ranking it low cuz I TRY my best to not be toxic when I play this dang game

[@Tsugikichi]

LoL is a mixed bag, had a game today where one team mate was off his week chat ban, game went solid, no cussing/slurs/bad attitude, every member of the team just rocked it and we won, now the previous game, one team mate was spaming pings left and right expecting everyone to jump on his command 5 minutes into the game, and when we didn't follow, he d/c'd from the game. Then there have been matches where everyone starts out cool calm and collected and than just goes to petty burns as the match doesn't go their way. LoL is an odd game...and it's players are equally as odd. XD I won't play LoL w/o a friend tho. >_> HoTS is more friendly I feel, and chill over all.

[@Frostshadow379]

I havnt played League in years but my take on the game itself is that; the game, the heroes, and the lore are amazing! But the reason I dont play it is because of the toxicity of the community. idk about the balancing issues but the toxicity is the main reason why i sadly dont play the game, if it wasnt for that i might consider coming back to it

[@miellauwu]

As someone who plays Professional League of Legends Full Time, i completly agree with almost everything in this Video and loved your takes HAHAHA

[@coolness6709]

bob's description of when new champions come out is so spot on. XD

[@GarredHATES]

I legit got yelled at for going around a bush the slightly longer way lol

[@mitchellhasto3003]

Had a buddy from high school, fantastic friend, really close. He started doing league and he just disappeared. He would just not show up to hang out and he’d be gone for months. He streams apparently and I’m happy he enjoys himself but dang it I miss my friend. It’s like he joined a cult 😂😔

[@leeroyj7300]

So from my own experience playing LoL i can say this, the game is equally fun as it is frustrating, however the problem with the game itself boils down to the playerbase, it's too overcompetitive blended with modern day naracissm, now ofc it is a competetive game so overcompetitive players are expected, however just like modern day society a lot of people can't seem to see their own mistakes or flaws, which then turns into a violent cycle, after a while people slowly become toxic, especially since the game itself has had a massive decline in required skill to play, as a result a lot of people (even myself) get exceedingly frustrated by an enemy player snowballing, but with this mentality it tends to go one of two ways 1. Losing the game? My teammates are shit and holding me back and the enemy are abusing broken champs 2. Winning the game? I'm skilled player that's gonna carry and my oppenents are shit Now ofc exceptions exist, but people seem to vent their frustration anyway regardless of how it will affect others and the match itself

[@debarshiroytalks]

I mean as a league player i do agree but no to Bob that ban pick is not a esport thing in league it is a basic concept of the game and is just as present in normal game aka unranked as much as in ranked

[@endruler8625]

I moreso am into the game for the universe and the characters. If you wanna explore the universe and the characters, I highly recommend Legends of Runeterra, a free card game you can play on PC or mobile, and it’s a fantastic game, definitely reccomend it if you want all the goodness of League, without the League (that’s a quote from Bricky, who was a very popular league content creator back in the day)

[@kennethabayon7991]

Some players in League of Legends are mostly from korean players there are really good at it even most popular in Korea because Riot Games that in Korea those guys are good at it in StarCraft for years even when Riot Games came to Korea and then they introduced from those highschool students named Deft and most demon king player in League of Legends "Faker".

[@mynameisd2849]

"League of Legends is TOXIC" Ahh yes, the floor is made out of floor

[@wardenlight5625]

also the best person to see league content as well as talking about it's issues is Rav

[@simpletora7313]

I played league when I was younger and now I am on and off whenever im super bored ill hop into some aram games. Something about league gives people the absolute weakest mental strength i’ve ever seen. Even respectful/nice comments will set a person off to full tilt. This is why people have trouble “escaping” the game because their mindset is that of a toddler who can’t handle giving up an addiction they not only hate but gave TONS of better alternatives to. Gaming industry is MASSIVE there is no reason you need to stay attached to any one game especially one you “hate”

[@ziyard9639]

Does anyone know where i can find their live episodes?.. i know they uploaded everything on spotify but cant seem to find that whale explosion live episode

[@texaspete3487]

ZOMBIEMOLD???? "Now that's a name I haven't heard for a long, long time"

[@iinsomniick]

i downloaded LOL from steam because i was so excited after learning a bit about it. played for like, 15mins and quit. never touched it since and it’s still on my laptop

[@lrose5522]

I played League once and my friend was helping guide me because he wanted me to get into it too, and my teammate was mean to me and I just never played again, and also i never play multiplayer games with strangers.

[@urospopovic4623]

The game itself is really good the lore is so deep and well put that lore alone makes it a top tier game, gameplay has its ups and downs yes many champions should not exist, yes many champs should be nerfed/buffed/changed but that aside it is still really fun to play your favourite champ and out of over 140champions you're bound to love atleast 1. The players are the biggest problem to this game, for various reasons. Rating 7,5/10 would be higher if not for the bad part of the community and it would've been a 0 if not for the lore/gameplay/variety

[@Bruh869-x5c]

Mark said among us!!!

[@BrenGamerYT]

The first game of League I ever played was player vs AI on beginner difficulty with like two other new players and some dude who’d clearly been playing for a while and he was mad at me for being bad at a game I had never played before in a bot lobby.

[@pixelperfect9111]

League/riot is also owned by tencent a company known for taking part in the chinese social credit system.

[@corvespid4925]

League earned its toxic reputation way before Tencent acquired the majority stake. I think it's more important to note, though, that Tencent having a majority stake is not the same as choosing to exert creative or information control, as multiple other developers (Digital Extreme Warframe, Klei Entertainment ONI/Don't Starve) have been invested heavily in by them, without showing much of a change in trajectory that wasn't already present. Not that it makes me comfortable to see Tencent getting their fingers into games, hence why I steer clear of investing in them. Doesn't stop me from playing a game I otherwise enjoy, however.

[@pixelperfect9111]

@@corvespid4925 im just saying I wouldnt support them especially after they ruined leagues golden age. They have had immense control over creative design and as thry took more stakes took more liberty to damage it further.

[@Jargolf86]

I played Dota 1, the Mod for WC3 and it was fun. I played League of Legends for a long Time, but it became unbearable Toxic. So today i play sometimes Dota 2, which is surprisingly less Toxic. Plus the Coop-Mod is playable, which isnt in LOL.

[@robertcaron9485]

As a League player since 2014. YES

[@LegendStormcrow]

I used to play DOTA All Stars. Never has there been a more toxic game community than MOBA games. I got put on an auto-kick list because I stayed when everyone else left, and winning. They will be toxic for you sucking, and be toxic for you winning. I wasn't Toxic enough either, but they saw that as a bridge too far. HoTS isn't that toxic, nor is Unite (mostly because no chat) Pretty sure DOTA 2 and one form of OG DOTA had pick ban.

[@Anubis005.]

League is super addictive and incredibly toxic. This combines to a cesspit of humanity. People get tilted, but continue to play because they're addicted, which means they tilt others, who then tilt others etc etc. I've been playing for over a year and have had maybe one game where we played like shit but people were chill. I never play ranked, but even in normals people take it SO seriously that if one person on the team is underperforming, they'll tilt and rage. However, when things go well? When you're playing a really good game? That's such a good feeling, something you chase constantly (hence the addiction) People need to abide by the 'quit after 3 losses' rule because by then you're not in a good headspace and will ruin it for others

[@Skoopyghost]

I used to be a toxic League Player. I also have a opioid and gambling addiction. I am pretty sure that I am not alone with my problems when I go back to League of Legends the old addict comes back, and he has a ego with the size of a alien spaceship.

[@conexic]

I play league regularly and I have to say I hate it but its also a lot of fun. When you win a game you get a dopamine rush which makes you play another, but when you're losing you hate your life. I broke 3 tables because of that game

[@Blackade2000]

When Mark said he played "the original, Dota" I just VI SITTAR HÄR I VÄNTEN OCH SPELAR

[@DarkLadyCosplay]

I feel like a part of my soul is healed hearing talks of heroes of the storm 🥺🥺

[@Brian-tn4cd]

For every League player I've ever personally known, except like two who used to play the mobile version super casually after watching Arcane, they all hate league without exception there, but they're addicted/hooked for lack of a better word

[@flameofmage1099]

Don't worry, us League players would put it as low as possible

[@shadowimagery]

4:20 "roided out little gnome man who screams and has the nastiest dorito keyboard ever" LMFAO

[@quirkychap]

Genuinely, the only thing I like about League is it's art and character variety. Same reason I like Yu-Gi-Oh and MTG. I'll never play them as I have no interest in the gameplay aspect, but goddamn do some of the art and characters go hard af.

[@LyonCub2of4]

I love playing League but I haven’t played in a long time cuz my gaming laptop has been damaged and haven’t had the money to fix it till recently. I’ll get back into it but I am concerned about the toxicity

[@zatiriryna6556]

I use to play League but I haven't in like 9 years, i have switched to Smite and I have so much fun playing it!! And Pokémon Unite is pretty fun :3

[@Stryke_3]

Hi mark! I’m glad I got here early. Love you guys 😊

[@draggy76]

I used to play LoL back in the day, enjoyed it when it was first out and kinda mid lifespan of it then dropped it because the toxic people. haven't played in 8 years