League of Legends vs Dota 2, which game is more difficult to play?

[@John_arc]

As someone ranked Divine on dota2 and Diamond 1 on LOL. If you want to smash a mouse and a keyboard thats LoL, but if you want to smash your monitor that Dota 2.

[@disuruhkantorbikinemail]

ahahahaahahahahaha

[@TJqPRINCE]

LOL😂😂😂

[@asmodeus69_]

tbh dota 2 is just a gacha game, at least for support player like me :( idk about league tho :v

[@Anonymous-td9fl]

@@asmodeus69_close your eyes and pray you rolled a better team?

[@bonneil2506]

​@@asmodeus69_ same. Getting a carry that actually knows how to play is rare in your team.

[@sheepshepherd5888]

And Dota 2 is easier version of Dota. Remember when your tutorial was to watch your friends playing it? There’s no video to watch, there’s no tutorial. You just need to be born with it

[@HarmonyAquatics]

I remember being shouted at almost got hit while learning dota in gaming cafe😂😂😂

[@rafilalif]

Amd the skill set button is all over the place. I remembered correctly, first time i played and faced rikhimaru i was like, why i cant see the enemy ? Why i dont have that skill.

[@alfrozz]

"your face like gondar" someone shouting from the corner

[@Tonythemonk620]

Real gamers don't need a visual indicator for cc, they just know when to chain cc.

[@ajprince6148]

i remember when we play dota 1, its like a hundred PC then if you die, your opponent will hunt in real time and shout at your face. 😂

[@TheRagheb95]

As a league player, I can tell you DOTA is harder. League players can’t figure out how to play league properly with propped macro, no way they figure out DOTA. I prefer league though for the skill

[@testbug01]

Yeah, by harder, it's just more complicated, but being harder or more complicated doesn't make the game better. If LOL is a chess, then DOTA would be GO. Go is harder but Chess is more popular, and we can't say Go players are better or smarter than Chess players at all

[@maxwellhubbard2749]

No it's not. It's harder for the first week u play. If u stick with it for a month you realize the game is too easy and has no depth. Pro games look exactly like 100 mmr games xD. It's literally just a bunch of knowledge checks.

[@Marc-fk6si]

either bait or low elo

[@labradog05]

@@testbug01Lol is not even chess level. Ask any chess players which game they like they’ll say Dota 2. Just go play Dota 2 and see how trash lol is

[@Antebrazo08]

​@@labradog05 Well, i wanna see dota players in the pro league of lol.

[@luqeesans]

That's like asking Americans whether rugby or American football is better

[@testbug01]

It's harder not better, and harder is not always better

[@MikeJP.1997]

Rugby is better American football don’t exist it’s just a bunch of puffs in latex thinking it’s a tuff sport 😅😅

[@magia-ch]

Wait, rugby and american football is different?

[@beiggo21]

@@magia-ch Rugby doesn't have as much protection.

[@xo4205]

@@testbug01 but the harder is more balance games

[@burnsilog3226]

a dota player can play league, but a league player will find it difficult to start dota for the first couple of games

[@thegreateststalkerofalltim2159]

Indeed, same experience for me and im not even good at dota 2 but played league just well enough

[@ovento7438]

You know that first games you plays with bots, do you?

[@YIPPIHEE]

@@ovento7438 what is your point ?

[@ovento7438]

@@YIPPIHEEthat if you go in league for a few matches and was goat in it, it's not like "dota players can play league", because lol players also can play dota like this. And for both games if want to win, you must to learn a lot: in dota 2 - about the game itself and champions, in league - about champions and the game itself.

[@ovento7438]

@@YIPPIHEE denying makes wave control easier. Lol also has freeze, slowpush and fastpush, but it is much more difficult to create and hold them due to the fact that you can kill only enemy creeps. More mechanics does not always mean "harder", sometimes these are just additional tools that make the gameplay easier, make mistakes less significant. For example, buybacks - which smoothes out the fatal mistake of a player who already wins a player who already wins against his opponents. I'll tell you a secret - there was once even a character in the league with the ability to deny creeps, but it was remade because in the absence of couriers, it is not so useful, although it makes it much easier to build a wave. But with couriers, leaving the game without the ability to break the freeze means giving stable winnings to those champions who initially dominate the lane, because they will never leave the lane otherwise. In Dota, there are similar mechanics in the tutorial, and in general, you can learn them just by discovering, for example, killing your own creeps. In lol in this regard, it is more difficult - you will be humiliated on the line, and you will not even understand what you are doing wrong, and why you are being defeated, until you go on the Internet and read about wave control and so on. And there are no less nuances in lola than in Dota, only unlike Dota, which is more focused on active items and builds, lol focuses on champions and their abilities. In this sense, I would say that Dota is more trying to be a strategy (that favorite comparison of all Dota players with chess), although it still does not become so, while lol is a mob, as it should be. Good luck, if you really want to get to the bottom of the truth - play lol until the moment when you are calibrated to ranks.

[@lifekrysiss]

idk why this is even a debate, even the one who made league LITERALLY FKIN SAID its an easier and simpler game than dota

[@slurp3194]

Because league has more mechanical potential with all the skill shots. And dota is more about knowledge and micromanaging. So yes dota is harder but u need faster reaction times to play league at its highest level

[@Funfact-846p]

​@@slurp3194so this means mlbb is harder than lol since it is their skills are harder to dodge?

[@slurp3194]

@@Funfact-846p as u can see no where in my comment did it say “skill shots are harder to dodge”. Mechanically league is far harder

[@riri2803]

​@@slurp3194 No. You can have as 7 or more clickable items in DotA, then you have to worry about turn rate, creep denies, etc. and here you are telling us that LoL is mechanically harder than DotA? hahahaha. Do you even have a hero like Meepo or Invoker? Hahahahaha

[@slurp3194]

@ even dota pros agree league is harder mechanically so idk what ur argument is. Dodging and skillshots are way more important in league. Dota is about micro managing alot of things thats what makes it hard. Leagues hardest champs are about skill shots dodging and reaction time. Its a much faster game

[@LostMrBags]

Only in Dota where you find a melee hero harassing harassing a ranged enemy level 1. Also the fact that a lot of items are pressable is really crazy every hero can be invisible, items that makes a squishy hero very tanky and boots that gives you TP every 40 seconds.

[@evilhater2920]

I don't like Dota for the exact reason that there are a lot of things to click on. This completely breaks the mechanics of the hero in my opinion.

[@akbaraulya5330]

​@@evilhater2920ur iq too low

[@kyoden1928]

​@@evilhater2920heroes are simpler than lesgue so items is what makes the gsme good

[@kyoden1928]

​@@evilhater2920league champs make sense on their own in dota u have a lot of heroes like naix or wraith king thst are very useless until items come online

[@LinhNguyen-zf9ww]

​@@evilhater2920skill issues , then play mobile games that auto press everything

[@TheUltimateDranzer]

As a league player since 2014 I can confidently say the only time I tried playing Dota 2 I found it so hard to understand I gave up.

[@LinhNguyen-zf9ww]

I nearly drop it , 2 years later i come back try dota 2 again and now had 1600 hours 😅

[@intermilan9731]

Dota 2 might be fun for players who played warcraft 3 a lot

[@TheYaq]

Dota is harder because game looks so strange you dont even know whats Happening

[@valelelentin]

I mean if you play a lot you understand 99% of the times. It’s cool that now all buffs and spells are visual, they weren’t always like this. I give you example: oracle ult false promise with the sphere above his head

[@sachingupta9155]

Took me 1500 hours just to figure out what is creep agro and quick cast 😂

[@ok6269]

​@@sachingupta9155 yeah thats just straight up braindead bro 😭

[@stonks9755]

throwback to ti8 when even Ana himself said he couldn't even see what was happening hahaha

[@jeaan4316]

We play dota 1 but after playing for a month youll understand it already when everything is chaotic

[@yukisenpai7985]

Im a league player for 8 years and after almost a decade of playing it and consistently being on the challenger division it gets boring so I tried dota and trust me its way way more complex than I’ve ever imagine when I was still a league player and there’s no such a boredom feeling when I’m playing it cause of the complexity of the game feels like every game is different. I uninstalled the league and continuously playing dota now for 3 months straight and im still on archon idk if its that hard or im just playing at sea server😂😂

[@Accelerate-Law]

I thnk both😂

[@edwardhan75]

Gl on the grind brother, wish you the best. Watch people who coach the game and teach their students. Could help you a bunch

[@Wobieyoi]

If in sea server and you're archon, you are an ancient in different server.😂

[@thegreateststalkerofalltim2159]

You sounds like a filipino lol

[@meirenyuan6699]

I think you are just bad, SEA server is easy, just mute everyone and play

[@JojoMaru-e5u]

In dota , 1st thing you do is block the creep. That alone is technically harder than league.

[@izzlabel]

Also no deny mechanics in LOL

[@MrSpaceAngel]

No. First thing you do in both games - block everyone

[@ASTROdaysnv]

@@izzlabelfor sure there are none in league like wave manipualting, freezing, pushing etc xd

[@ASTROdaysnv]

@@heisenberg6197 ?

[@predragdavidovic6850]

@@ASTROdaysnvi think he means deny like to kill ur own creep so enemey doesnt get it, if i remember

[@gsastudio-archl]

I tried to master every dota heroes, but i stopped after meeting Invoker. At that point i realise, i will just stay in offlane or support heroes.

[@thronghokzz5510]

Wtf😂

[@nttrannn]

@@thronghokzz5510I got 1.500 hours with injoker and still feels like a joke sometime 😂

[@ashishmaurya079]

Invoker main here 😅. My fav hero of all time. I can the grind was well worth

[@fynaakurvinen8028]

invoker isnt hard tho. try meepo / arc warden

[@KarkySphere]

Invoker in dota 1 though is a different breed

[@nope_nope_nono]

I play both, and Dota is WAY more complex. League players, I'm sorry, but there is no discussion

[@SamS.7598]

Complex doesn't always mean better. Saying this as a Dota player who switched to LOL. I just want something to have fun with my friends. Not figure out what creep has what armor and stuff.

[@NivekNozid25]

dude dota​ has this denied creeps different map as smoke carrier etc come on dota is complete @@SamS.7598

[@zerog1037]

I enjoy dota but not as much as league. I find dota feeling less smooth graphically and gameplay wise. It's a slow cluster f and the map is too big now. Where as in league the gameplay is fast and on the edge with higher skill progression

[@ezpeon5642]

as a league player since 2013, Dota is way more fun to me the way that literally every hero can be played in literally every role with every item in the game is way way more creative than League ever will be. Build Hurricane on a melee character on league and you're insta griefing.

[@icecreamcake5381]

​@@ezpeon5642 stop lying 😂 my team would harass me all game if I played a resource-hungry hero as a support.

[@1percenterino]

Aui is the probably the only pro who can legitimately answer this question as the dude went pro in both games

[@spoilerwarning8383]

Which dude is Aui

[@ivannejoves9049]

​@@spoilerwarning8383 aui aint here . He's full name is aui3000

[@nrp9840]

@@spoilerwarning8383aui2000

[@parmeshgurung]

Really?? Didn’t know that.

[@1percenterino]

@@parmeshgurung i mean he kinda did in the early days of league before he moved to dota. This was back in 2011 way before both games became popular.

[@ScaredHamshee]

If you think your having a hardtime playing MOBA games try playing RTS games, I mean I'm not saying RTS is better but playing RTS will make you learn core skills to play MOBA better.

[@Yokenshiro11]

Underrated comment, rts will teach alot of skill specially mini map awarness and map awareness

[@loweloplayer-j2p]

This is actually true. Playing rts games helped me improve my core skills in MOBA

[@DegenerateNFT]

Every hero in dota is free to play - dota is the better financial choice

[@annastasia.1]

You should pay to play a hero in LOL? That's ridiculous.

[@SamS.7598]

​@@annastasia.1 Not really. You earn currency as you play and buy heroes with that. It takes a few games though.

[@annastasia.1]

@@SamS.7598 a few? Like how many?

[@lycanthoss]

​@@SamS.7598"few" is an understatement. It took me multiple years to have all champions.

[@justarandomlol]

​@@SamS.7598few games... You mean years for the average players to even own all the champions

[@HellGatyr]

denied exp, fog, 0.2 adjustment, high ground, ground tap ability, macro unit, item diversity, hero skill description we know the answer already

[@Marc-fk6si]

these are just knowledge based mechanics. league requires raw skill to beat your opponents in fights. in dota you can win with macro alone but in league you need both macro and mechanics to be good. if you've never played league at a high level this won't make sense to you

[@LucyInTheSky93]

​@@Marc-fk6si​ahhaha wtf r u even talking about? Micro and macro both corelate to each other. In order to have a good macro (say, rotations, map control, farm) you need to have a good mastery of micro skills (spell usage, movements, last-hitting, ward placements, etc). How tf do u win a game by macro alone when macro are literally built up by you (and your team's) micros? You can't farm effeciently if you can't last hit. You can't rotate well if you're not efficient with your movements. You can't push/pull if you can't control creep equilibrium. Do you think macros exist independently from micro? Lmao. Only from League can a stupid opinion even exist.

[@EmperorPenguinn]

​@@Marc-fk6si I haven't even touched lol and I know what those are. If you're saying lol has macro and mechanics, do you mean dota has none of those? I think you're forgetting where lol copied most of its mechanics.

[@Marc-fk6si]

@@EmperorPenguinn nope, dota mechanics is just clicking more active items and point and click/large aoe abilities. league has a huge focus on spacing, dodging, and landing abilities. and don't tell me dota has this too because it has a turn rate. this is just the surface level difference between the two games, it goes so much deeper than this

[@EmperorPenguinn]

@@Marc-fk6si Point and click? All of them? If that's what you believe then you might not be eligible to talk about this matter buddy. You say surface level? It is, but if you peel back the surface level of Dota you'd be here all night. "Point and click" lmao

[@stefanmilovanov3092]

Yeah people keep saying there is no future for Dota for the past 7 years. Yet dota still has a large community with one of the largest tournaments and prizes. Yes Riots do way more updates and stuff with lol but I do believe that dota is just a better game. Valve just don’t advertise it.

[@DKtrek21]

How can you explain to a League player that there is Damage type and armor type in Dota. Damage type interacts differently from armor type. That alone is a very deep part of it's complex mechanics.

[@unluckysummoner2542]

That's warcraft stuff, or are you talking about the physical magical and pure damage?? if so I think that's in most mobas nowadays

[@DKtrek21]

@unluckysummoner2542 Nah bro, it's still in the game. Different units have different damage and armor types still. You can check it out for yourself.

[@UncleApip]

​@@DKtrek21 Wym bro. There's no armor types in Dota 2. I'm happy to be proven wrong though.

[@DKtrek21]

@UncleApip Yup there is. Look at the creeps. They have an ability that tells you what their damage type is. Yeah, it is a remnant of Warcraft that would never part with Dota.

[@Lalaaw]

The f do you mean? League have damages base on Physical Attack, Magic Attack, Health Percentage, Mana percentage. There are armor pen and magic pen. And that’s not too deep wdym it’s hard to explain. Like those are basic moba knowledge lmao.

[@aleksabugarski3100]

The playerbase tells everything, LoL has way more players, because it’s way more begginer friendly, I think Dota doesn’t have a future because it isn’t getting new players, because it’s way to complex, and in the last 5+ years they added pre game hero variations, and there is already in game hero variations(facets and talents), they recently expanded the map by 20%, there is a neutral item slot where you get items from neutral creeps or minions from the jungle. Also in general Dota is a more polished and better game, balancing is way better in Dota, heroes are more refined with much more responses to events, like voice lines for killing certain heroes or even dying to certain heroes. The balance you can tell by the pro scene, where in Dota much more heroes are picked in variation, in LoL there is a certain pool of overpowered heroes that are always picked.

[@DARKW1NTER69]

this is why league is better then dota because league is doing it right whereas dota is unfortunately GOING to inevitably die way sooner then league will

[@aleksabugarski3100]

You didn’t even consider what I said, a complete NPC comment. What makes League better? Almost all things are going for Dota, the graphics, the interface, the skin variations, hero responses, and most importantly BALANCING, there are no Heroes in Dota with ridiculously overpowered skill sets while having worthless heroes on the other end. League is simply more popular because it had a much better marketing team while Valve never promoted Dota in any way, and also the ridiculous complexity of the game which makes it boring for beginners.

[@DARKW1NTER69]

@@aleksabugarski3100 "npc comment" hate to break it to you but dota is going to most likely die in the next 10-20 years and league is going to still be around not saying dota is a bad game but its like comparing fortnite to pubg the fact is fortnite is bigger for a reason (the game is just more relevant then pubg) and its the same thing with league the only people that play dota nowadays are people who have been playing the game for years and years meanwhile league is getting new players EVERY single day sure dota might be harder but at the end of the day who cares league is ALSO still hard as well (if you put a dota player on league they would have to learn the game just like they learned dota and its the same thing if a league player played dota) both games are good but in terms of global popularity league wins

[@aleksabugarski3100]

lmao, you said nothing I didn't say in the first comment, you didn't actually read my entire comment just replied to it, like an NPC, that's why I said it, proved again. Atleast this time you actually wrote something. Read the first comment again.

[@DARKW1NTER69]

@@aleksabugarski3100 you know people who call other people npc's are the ones that are actually npc's and ur not worth my time replying to anymore say whatever you want little bro im just not gonna reply to you anymore just learn to accept that league is GOING to inevitably kill your precious dota game

[@pauldat123]

As a 7 year league player i quit like last year, dota 2 is much much harder. There is so much more control to everything you do. Each game has no set lane and each lane can have any champ.

[@Jeff-qr8eo]

creep block, time rune, fog of war, heroes that have association in day and night, wards war, pull creep, deny creeps and many more. Welcome to Dota.

[@pauldat123]

@@Jeff-qr8eo yeah man i actually enjoy dota 2 more than league.

[@honorableseventh2334]

​@@pauldat123and being able to build certain heroes rather than the usual is what makes it fun aswell .. the freedom of itemization and having more choice to be able to counter enemies with items even if their heroes are better than your team

[@OffMetaProfessor]

Dota 2 literally has champions that have 12 ability combinations along side having 6 items with actives it's not even close.

[@johanmichaeldelavega4028]

Dota 2 even has an arcade mode of LoL vs Dota it is very fun. LoL champs will have an easy early to mid game but when Dota champs get to late game they can comeback easily.

[@odinson4493]

League of legends is a tutorial to Dota 2 There can't be a worst insult to league of legends

[@pabs8925]

DATTEBAYOO 😂😂😂 narudo narudo

[@andrejb2993]

It's facts though

[@xazarl3381]

@@andrejb2993 Its really not the games are nothing a like in 2024 apart from the main goal.

[@andrejb2993]

@@xazarl3381 expand on that

[@DigoTP_]

but there is no problem at all in saying that, its just 2 different game in the same genre

[@handeviant3686]

i mean its moba the difficulty depend on your opponent. but dota 2 has more learning curve and you can do a lot more thing in dota than league.

[@DungTran-jj8wu]

Dota players often compare the difficulty of the game with League players, but the thing is, an easy game is easy for everyone, and a hard game is hard for everyone. No matter how easy a game is, there will always be players better than you. It’s like running 100 meters, anyone can run it, but that doesn’t mean anyone can become Usain Bolt

[@Hookborn]

Ye, so the difficulty is mainly based on which game is the hardest to reach rank 1 in solo que.

[@khoohao9659]

Dota definitely harder to play as the game is quite slow to build up and minion denied which is frustrating. League is more about reaction time.

[@valelelentin]

Denying is not that hard, it’s like last hitting, you get into the habit.

[@xyg0816]

@@valelelentin in pro games, there are 200 iq plays even when denying creeps. You just don’t see the way players creep aggro in lane. Suppose your creep dies in 2 hits, and the enemy is waiting for his creep to hit your creep so that he can last hit the creep. But you know that, so you creep aggro and make the enemy creep stop hitting your creep just when the enemy thinks that his creep is gonna hit your creep and he prepares to take last hit. But that doesn’t happen, and the enemy messes up his last hit (which was supposed to die in 2 hits doesn’t get enough hits from the enemy creeps), and you can then deny the creep.

[@xyg0816]

@@valelelentindenying is not only having faster reaction time than your enemies, it’s about creep aggro, it’s about your pos 4 pulling waves all the way from enemy tier 2 to your tier 2 and farming/denying safely under your tier 2, it’s about their support knowing that and trying to disrupt your pos 4, it’s about using your hero model as a big shield so that enemy missclicks onto you instead of the creep.

[@valelelentin]

@@xyg0816 yeah, I know that man

[@xyg0816]

@@valelelentin cool, try denying against actual good players. “It’s not hard”

[@WANDERINGMAN82]

Dota2 is for expert League of Legends are for Casual gamers Mobile Legends are for babies😊

[@Premium123.0]

Can't be comparing PC games with mobile bro

[@ayeronical]

​@@Premium123.0 if they're all MOBA, they're comparable. But it's almost always obvious that ML is never difficult enough because of how fast-paced it is. Games that take faster to finish sessions mean skills are more condensed, making players' skill ceilings lower, it also means building items and sieging is faster, making the game macro understandable by even a 3rd grader.

[@TakaTinHey]

Mobile legends is for cry babies

[@lizardking640]

"Experts" you are so cringe

[@muridtahmatgnas2184]

​@@ayeronicalbut there are still some..."mentally challenged" people who don't get how macro works

[@altairwc3]

Just because a game is harder doesn't mean it's better. But for mobas, Dota2 is both harder and better.

[@Staklihen]

Many of Dota's mechanics were present in the alpha and beta versions of LoL, such as deny, the absence of a recall skill, powerful item actives that have become summoner spells, and champions with skills that are far too strong (Twisted Fate had global range teleportation as a basic skill). If all these things, so difficult, appreciated by Dota 2 players are not or no longer in LoL, it's because it's deliberate.

[@xo4205]

every riot games are easier compare to the original games like CS and DOTA..

[@Reiji366]

yea riot, likes casuals, while valve doesn't give a F,

[@LelouchviBritannia0]

CS harder? It's so easy to get global elite compared to challenger to lol.

[@abbuzz9912]

@@LelouchviBritannia0 I bet you aren’t even Master Guardian in CS, LOL)

[@LelouchviBritannia0]

@@abbuzz9912 Wow, some CS kid got mad. Well, in CS about 0.4-0.75% (depending on data) of players end with Global Elite. Meanwhile in LoL, only like 0.01% of players can hit challenger (and ending a season with challenger would be even a smaller percentage). LoL is diff breed.

[@flint3609]

@@LelouchviBritannia01. No one is playing classic mm now, main mode is prime. 2. Check faceit. All high skill players prefer it

[@ninjaciken5490]

After 7000 hours of dota 2 gameplay from 2015. I think i havent finish dota 2 tutorial yet 😵‍💫

[@PhamHanrin]

😂

[@onepiece_96172]

Bruh just invoker alone is hard than any champions in lol

[@romalmario6794]

Erm, not really.. personally i’d say Meepo, imagine playing with 5 champions and each of it has skills too and if one of them dies all dies like wtf?

[@stonks9755]

@@romalmario6794 arcwarden too, all the strats with his clone are insane

[@melkorstormcrown6939]

Hahahahaha…yeah…try to master Gangplank

[@karikuaru5215]

​@@melkorstormcrown6939 More like azir or old aurelion

[@suhaylazmin9112]

Sure buddy. Hard doesn't mean better

[@izzarulhadi5163]

In dota 2, we have a hero that have 10 skills where u have to combine 3 orbs to get 1 skill. There's also meepo or lone druid where u have to control more than 1 hero. And then theres courier deliveries, wards and dewarding mechanics, pulling nature creeps, stacking nature creeps for farming...

[@Kaizerlaser]

This is for the people saying Dota is "better"/"good" version of League. Yes Dota is harder and more complex, yes League require more hands on occasions, macro wise both games are complex but no way Dota is a better game than League. I agree with the more complex points but if making a good game = it should be easily accesible to the majority, easy to pickup, retain player base for a long time, League having 50x players more than Dota for 14 something plus years proves that it's a more enjoyable and fun game (to the majority). I played both with over 1.5k hours on Dota 2 and prolly 8-9k hours on League (and I played Dota warcraft + Dota 2 early beta for a few hundred hours even before League but it doesn't count) I'd still rather play one over the other. If you're super into knowledge checks, map movement and item depth then from your pov Dota 2 is way more fun which is understandable but League is still the better version of Dota

[@castielrainyday8531]

Dota is the better version of Dota, League dev is basically just insulting their players by dumbing down the game, it's like they think the players are that dumb

[@raywcksn]

League is easier? Yes. Better? No. Kart racing is easier to get into, more accessible, and everyone who have means can do it. No way anyone would say karting is better than F1.

[@sabnock31]

LoL has bigger player count because: A. It's more popular in Asian countries, especially in China. B. It has a giant marketing campaign while Dota retains its player base and gets new ones with close to none marketing (we almost can not count that failure of a show)

[@ItsTheGhettoFRESH]

Shoutout to all the OG Dota players who had to learn from scratch by playing and now see the game has the ridiculous amount of knowledge ingame now available to new players to read and learn + a tutorial. Insane.

[@trungthanhtran2236]

Man, if you look at the developing history of Lol, then you will figure out league is the simplified version of dota. Dota 2, is the closest version of dota so ofc it's harder

[@nobigdeal4me]

It's been 15 years since league was released. Safe to say neither game is what they were then.

[@dejansavandic4176]

I played like 3k hours in DOTA 2, then i install LoL just to try it out. First thing i try to do when match in LoL started is blocking the creeps, and i was pretty pissed pf i couldn't do it 😂

[@akeibazli8942]

Dota 2 IS harder but league community is HARDER to handle

[@gowther4312]

All fun and games but I don't think that a single dota 2 player can survive the low elo solo q games in LoL

[@Rizki-mv3ty]

@@gowther4312play dota in SEA server or eastern europe

[@TheSpineOfTheWorld]

​@@gowther4312imagine those games with voice chat

[@Anonymous-td9fl]

@@TheSpineOfTheWorldwould be tamer honestly, since keyboard warriors are actually cowards. Give lol vc and toxicity will probably go down.

[@maxiprats1442]

​@@Anonymous-td9flcsgo is enough proof to the opposite

[@maxxrr7389]

This days I've been playing dota 2. I think one of the reason dota is hard is because it has unintuitive mechanics such as deny(it doesn't make sense to kill your own), creep aggro(just clicking a hero aggros even if they aren't hit by anything). The tutorial was ok but a lot of the things I learn when I started(2020) was from the internet. There is no indicator or tooltip what time runes or camp spawn. You might say it'll make it easier but memorizing isn't a skill it's just going to confuse new players. I mainly play support in dota 2 because it has better agency and interesting items compared to playing support in league. In league mainly adc/jungler I feel like being a carry in league feels more satisfying because of the more fluid movement. I've also noticed I focus more in timings in dota 2 while in League I focus more in aiming and dodging skills

[@paulogmf]

important question is: Who even are those random ppl?

[@snflwrbrain5723]

OG dota players have insane memory in building items according to the character types, plus hero manipulation like Invoker is definitely like learning to be a wizard(?)

[@Trqiz]

Funny for me was i reached Immortal in Dota and I was bored so I gave league a try. Some of my friends were playing it for years and even tho I didn’t rly understand the game I was dominating almost every game and reached in 2 months diamond. (Including grinding to lvl 30)

[@masoncomes6783]

Same for me except league was so boring I just stopped playing. They just straight up removed 90% of the strategy and replaced it with reaction times and OP paid heroes. In Dota a hero may be powerful but there's a million different ways to counter them, in league they are powerful and not only can you not really draft around it, but good luck countering it with the one dimensional items.

[@kaungmyathein7581]

On my first game of dota 2, I was just chilling at my lane then a tonado and a huge snowball hit me and I was one shot punched by ice tiger :')

[@bastidota]

guys stop fighting, both games are difficult, both are good it's just dota is just way much better

[@thegreateststalkerofalltim2159]

I played lots of dota 2 and im not even good at it but still could play league just enough for the first time. But league streamers trying to play dota 2 and they can't even do their role properly, can't use skills properly

[@LiiiKeAbOzZzZ]

Harder aint better tho. Leauge is better in every aspect, E-Sport proves it

[@bastidota]

@@LiiiKeAbOzZzZ I agree. it is easier to be a goat in league than in dota, given how the complexity in dota depends on the patch and some other unknown random variables which makes the e-sport scene pretty much unstable and dead. you have to absolutely drain your life power to be a decent player in dota, which makes the competition level so much harder to enter

[@LiiiKeAbOzZzZ]

@joinmeng yea and thats why the Game sucks and has a fraction of the playerbase leauge has. Leauge is the greatest E-Sport Titel ever and tbh nobody cares about DotA 2. The only quality it has, is it being harder due to the fact you can deny your own creeps. Its an over the top mechanic and honestly its whatever. I prefer not having than having it, it takes a lot of pace away too. And no to be the goat in leauge youve gotta be better than faker, which is quite impossible

[@bastidota]

@@LiiiKeAbOzZzZ the fewer player base alone is already a living proof the game is very hard, and I mean really difficult for a normal gamer to pick up and understand. there's so much mechanics that makes it a lot harder, but yes, one of them is the laning stage, where u have pull, aggro, deny, etc. it seems simple on its surface, but theres actually so many things that you can break down and "what couldve been" during that first 10 minutes. The fact that there's already an undisputed goat in league just means how the competitive level in league is not as high as in dota.

[@ismoildjalilov3070]

LoL: Amateur Dora 2: Professional

[@chokozhi]

The only thing harder than lol is dota2 fan base. Every dota2 vs lol video i can see thousands of dota players trash talking on lol where as lol players playing the game instead of typing trash on some random videos, harder doesnt mean good game

[@castielrainyday8531]

i mean the reason why you only see the dota comments is because they have a case, what are the lol fanbase gonna say? they got better cinematics or some shi?

[@chokozhi]

@castielrainyday8531 what case? Ain't they both computer games? 10× people play lol compare to dota 2, u should ask urself why,how and reason. We love playing the game which is fun for us and as I said said hard doesnt make game better thank you

[@castielrainyday8531]

@@chokozhi because there are a lot more people drawn to easier games, it's about the quality we are talking though

[@hotedits1991]

​@@chokozhithe question isn't about better game. it's about difficulty in learning the game. and dota 2 is objectively harder. this has created a huge barrier to entry for newer and returning player while LOL has taken the lead as the more popular game making LOL the better game of the 2.

[@lenant8643]

If the only thing a Community is proud about how hard their game is, why bother starting? Not many ppl want to invest 100+ hours to just get used to the very basics. In most popular games, if you spend that time well, youre kinda decent. Dota Community to me is a lot of Elitists

[@sarauwu2436]

i'm only seeing comments about the understanding of the game insted of the machanics, so who has the most difficulty throught the game? they seem both strategic to me but one is difficult to understand?

[@ReyhanFjrn]

dota is way harder. that's why it is dead game now

[@sjdlkfajslkdjflsj]

Very true

[@TheSpineOfTheWorld]

I don't think you know what a dead game is

[@stonks9755]

@@TheSpineOfTheWorld dota always had the highest prize pool among all mobas, some people are just ignorant

[@Jeeereen]

Yeah a dead game with average 4million tournament prize

[@hotedits1991]

the correct take. dota 2 is like watching pro sports like football and basketball. once you know the rules and mechanics, it is infinitely more fun to watch than to play the game yourself. this has resulted in TI having huge viewerbase but not enough concurrent players to reflect that viewerbase. LOL has always been more welcoming to newer players because of relatively simplified mechanics. But at the top level, the actual difficulty is not in the mechanics, it's outplaying your opponents. and in that regard neither is harder than the other. so, we have to assume the question is about mechanics wise and it's learning curve. that's where dota 2 is objectively harder.

[@RRP6632]

The 4th one explained it perfectly. With LOL, even if you're bad at macro, you can get around with it if you're good mechanically by dodging enemy skillshot and landing your skillshot. The same can't be said with DOTA 2, eventually it's gonna be a snowball effect if you don't do a macro correctly (doesn't mean DOTA 2 doesn't require technicality, remember Invoker??)

[@Banana-Script]

harder doesnt mean its better

[@christianmarco2465]

Huh? Tf u talking about

[@rickycool6083]

Of course it does, the higher the skill ceiling the more competitive it gets.

[@Banana-Script]

​@@rickycool6083 competitive doesnt means its better.

[@TrailBlazeEdit01]

The graphics of lol alone looks like I'm looking at sand paper compared to dota 2.

[@Banana-Script]

@@TrailBlazeEdit01 when talking about graphics, ofc dota has realistic and gritty art style while league having more vibrant art style, which is designed to appeal to a wider audience and to be visually accessible. this is why you can still play league on ur potato PC.

[@kaibacorp13]

As person who played both game dota had more stuff to mange so It could be said it's kinda more complex but more complex or harder not mean better. If you enjoy one of this two game or any game In general just avoid and ignore the toxic part if communities and you good to go

[@gorillagames5019]

Imagine Faker playing Dota 2

[@haiqaluthfymuhammady.8040]

still will play like average, even the best dota 2 player maybe will play like average too in league. we just never know, it’s just 2 game with very different approach to win

[@testbug01]

@@haiqaluthfymuhammady.8040 Ofc if you throw someone on a game they never practice? But if Faker choose DOTA from the start, he'll never be just average, because he's not only good at micro but he's good at everything in this type of game

[@haiqaluthfymuhammady.8040]

@@testbug01 true

[@lorenzjuhndomingo3393]

@@haiqaluthfymuhammady.8040 ah so based on that logic tofu wouldnt even win any tourneys right? cause he was a former league player, and he was even recognized in the pro league

[@JhonLloydDacay]

bro when dota pro player decided to play lol give him 1 yr and he becomes pro, but when league player decided to play dota 2 give him also 1 yr and he's still 6-7k mmr and also imagine miracle, arteezy, and sumail play league

[@dogenatorxenepolos6018]

League you can clearly see distinction in jungle camps, river, base and lanes. In Dota the river is the jungle camps and the lanes combined.

[@exab1264]

3k hrs dota2 player with 4k mmrs here, I think League is harder, am I nut? Cuz I think all you need in dota2 is common sense and some skill. But in League skill is required, I tried league a couple of times, I died sooooo easily lol

[@macx1316]

But on dota2 u can win without skill like draft, creep space, buyback, objective like RS but LOL is about 1 fight if u won on important fight u can win the game but not for dota2. Skill play can be practice

[@saint-simon1134]

As someone who played on and off Dota since released... if I try some hero that I played once or twice it will be a certain lose... It's a hard game.

[@Ozmonfield]

"ive never play league, so im gonna say dota2" Got the real chad here

[@PattrickTheOne]

12 years ago I played Dota and LoL at the same time and dota was way more complex and complicated the macro monsters map etc. It was really hard that’s why decided to stick with LoL and I guess it was good decision 😅

[@cjaollenajir4639]

All of those saying Dota is Harder must be just young and never got to play dota in its primordial form.

[@disuruhkantorbikinemail]

internet cafe vibes

[@Vanesment]

you're wrong, there are a lot of mechanics in Dota now that weren't there initially. Even though the game itself helps the player in many ways

[@TheSpineOfTheWorld]

they dumbed down some heros but it's gotten harder overtime.

[@cgi7543]

Dota 2 is way better and harder period and i don't even wanna hear a debate about it

[@arthursepeda4388]

Once i saw a Luna using Dominator in a creep to deny herself while taking dps from Venomancer, i knew the right answer.

[@freakylyl94]

Fun fact... Your whole team will rush to your side to deny you for fun even thou you might not die from the dps...😂

[@ianpangoyinan4206]

There's no creep denies in lol.

[@TheKevinGeee]

Yeap. Creep denies makes it easy to macro the game. In League, you gotta know how to control the wave state without denying your own minion. Dota 2 is much easier in that aspect.

[@jorgeantonioquispecueva8257]

Barracks don't regenerate in dota 2

[@dokusei1208]

@@TheKevinGeee logic is not working on that bro, you only have to last hit on LOL or maybe some wave blocking to control your lane. you forgot that dota has multiple pulling mechanics aside from denying so "controlling" the lane is far too easy on LOL

[@bastidota]

@@TheKevinGeee control the wave state without denying your own minion. That's literally what low ranks do in Dota 2. Laning in League is the same with laning in herald (3 digit mmr). No one deny no one pull just controlling lane in front of each other's faces

[@ERF_ERF]

@@dokusei1208 pulling mechanics make the gameplay noob and denies doesnt matter becuse you lose lane then you go jungle even you can do this in lvl 1 , but in league there is no jungle if you lose the lane and die 2 or 3 time , the oponent can zone you and freeze the lane and deni his creeps with your creeps , and if you go close he will kill you and you dont have the pulling mechanic , so you just have to watch your creeps dieng for 15 min

[@momoko5766]

In league the tower protect you but in dota you need to protect the tower... Now you decide

[@uselesschris6951]

Not even a question dota is way way harder

[@aviencloud4239]

Felt like there were Three times more things to learn than league of legends

[@elmonmelgar5770]

Well being good using some heroes like meepo or invoker is already hard. Then you add many things like wards, farm stacking, runes, Roshan, item builds and many more. Dota is just very much complex.

[@vaynemain4785]

dota 2 point and click

[@khadacoveiro1363]

Yeah, no buddy

[@dragond177]

Dota 2 better heroes, better graphics, better gameplay, more entertaining, better skins, more fun. League looks like a mobile game

[@sjdlkfajslkdjflsj]

League is a joke

[@Amen-bt7uq]

I can tell you with experience, it took me years to understand dota without any guides😢

[@TaaanviR]

Dota harder and boring but league of legends fun to watch....

[@DikinBaus_lol]

Huh? The complete opposite. League has gotten boring af. Dota 2 is fun to watch .

[@pepeg1954]

Huh fun to watch? Did u forgot about the 26 mins no kills during the lol worlds finals KEKW So its entertaining for u to watch 20mins of just farming

[@DikinBaus_lol]

@@pepeg1954 what? I said league is boring. wym. Dota has so much action even in the early game there are team fights. I still play league but I enjoy watching Dota. Dota also has many different strategies for you to win. It not just about two-team farming and one team fight like we see in League of Legends.

[@pepeg1954]

@@DikinBaus_lol "lol worlds finals" Read again lil bro If im talking bout dota then i would say the international -_- It seems that you're a fake azz dota watcher

[@pepeg1954]

@@DikinBaus_lol "lol worlds finals" Read again lil bro If im talking about dota then i would've said the international -_- It seems that you're a fake azz dota watcher

[@MouhSall]

I wanna see them try old Dota. When we used to play it without hotkeys 😂😂

[@kok6673]

Dota2 is farm game,in the end the farmer can 1 vs 5,boring game

[@PhamHanrin]

​@Marc-fk6si LOL PC boring game compare to dota2. Cemetery ambience and oversmoothgame to the point that all moves can predict, even a flash can predict lmao. boring oversmooth predictable moves and cemetery ambience with no life look game😂 Faker is just a normal pro player compare to dota2 pro's. Dota2 players are geniuses whild lol pro players are just normal pro player💯

[@rickycool6083]

You have literally never the game, that is simply not true lol.

[@mehmethicgulmez6832]

In dota you can block creep waves you can deny your creep you can stack jungle camps they all need skill and those are not in lol and many things

[@izaakwedgwood9153]

The point of league is that its easier to get into, like thats literally why the original dota creators split up, one of them thought dota was too hard to get into

[@liangthanh]

I wish I can play Moba games, and I'm just very impressed when someone can master those games. Even with LoL I still find it really hard, as I dont know what could possibly make me stronger than other players as we both have the same hero and equipments, and whats the plan when being attacked by other hero.

[@TrafalgarDlaw-um9ef]

Wait until they find dota 1:warcraft III

[@thinhsuynhuoc]

Ive played dota for 8 years of my life. 6568hours, i am ranked Legend 3. And i still dont know how to play the game. It is so un godly hard, so many things to understand and so many skills to learn. On one of my breaks from dota (i was really getting pissed off at toxic players) i downloaded league of legends to play with my friends. Ive played LoL before but only for a few months before i started to play dota. Within 2 months i was platinum, reaching my equivalent rank in dota that took me 4 years to reach. I was already as good as most of my League of Legends friends. While the first 2 months was fun, it started to be boring, repetative. I started seeing the unbalanced nature of LoL and its low complexity items. It didnt matter as long as i played better than my oponents. Didnt matter what items i went, there was no true comebacks. No heart pumping battles where i steal a win from the jaws of defeat. It was either i play better and i win or i play worse and i lose. After 3 months LoL couldnt stimulate or entertain me anymore, the champs i wanted to play wasnt "meta" and felt horrible to play. My creative play styles and itemization were punished for not following the "cream de la cream" of the patch. And i hated the surrender option but at the same time could not blame it. When you lose in LoL, theres almost no room for comeback. I left LoL to come back to Dota and i found myself deranking all the way down to archon 1. Playing LoL made me lost my edge, made me play the meta heroes instead of my own. I felt overwhelmed when i came back (there was a big patch). Now i am a legend 5, hoping to be divine soon. LoL is fun if thats all you know. It is simple but it works. Nothing wrong with playing LoL but i felt as though LoL is not as balanced or unique as DOTA. Its heroes are generic and everything just felt like all the same. Theres no counter picks like it is in dota. Theres no crazy comebacks when you hit an item timing, theres no impossible high ground defense and team fights. Its just all skills and numbers.

[@xKayNee]

Dota 2 has more complexity overall, but the mechanics/micro is faster paced in League I'd say. Excluding some heroes like Invoker ofc

[@solomonsaiart]

I have over 1k hours both. Both games are challenging in their own ways. LoL requires quick reflexes and fast decision-making, as the game moves rapidly and timing is critical for abilities and rotations, while Dota emphasizes strategic thinking, requiring players to make calculated decisions, like counter-picking heroes and choosing the right items based on the opponents.

[@solomonsaiart]

In LoL, you can just buy recomended items and you are fine. However, in Dota there is no such thing. You need to create almost unique item build every match. It is also super important to keep an eye on enemies items. Items are mostly like skills in Dota. For example, If enemy used BKB, he is immune for all type of skills. So a decent player need to remember when he used BKB since it has a cooldown and you need to know when to attack before it's BKB is active again. This is just a very small detail of item based strategies in matches in Dota

[@solomonsaiart]

İ've played Dota for many years. A few years ago I stopped playing and started playing LoL. For me, I prefer playing LoL. But I never watch lol content, instead I watch Dota. It is like an art for me.

[@maxwsy96]

Totally agree. I’m enjoying league more cuz I’m too lazy to stack+half pull+zone+tp against towerdives+deward+block camps+runes+smoke gank blah blah, but I only watch dota TI. An art indeed!

[@muhdzofmadness0245]

As a dota 2 play who transitioned into playing leauge... When I first had my few matches people legit called me a smurf... Bruh I was ancient rank in dota 2

[@zeep5279]

The word micro does not exist in LoL compared to the depth that it exists in Dota 2. That should give you a hint

[@heisenberg6197]

tell me you dont play league without telling me you dont play league 😆do you even know what micro is??

[@zeep5279]

The word micro in league is at best, space gliding, hitting skill shots, and hitting every cs. The word micro in dota means all three of those minor concepts, AND quite literally hundreds of techniques that an individual can master, which can change under any specific scenario to be most or least efficient, which simply cannot exist in LoL due to the lack of mechanics between LoL and Dota heroes, map, passives, items, denying, and hundreds of others. You might think you’re arguing with you but I am simply informing you. One unbiased in-depth analysis of a single dota game would be enough to indicate that they are different depths of moba, and that’s okay. They are both good games

[@GiulianoVenturo]

I play way more Dota than league and the highest I got was Ancient and Diamond. If a friend ever ask me that they wanna play and which one I would recommend I would 100% always chose league. Probably after 10 games in league a new player can make a crazy play but in dota in most cases you would take at least 100 matches to make a crazy play

[@muridtahmatgnas2184]

In dota every creep wave is like a chess game, if a league player faces a decent dota player in dota, worse case the game can end with the league player only having brown boots

[@bahadorghanbari3707]

That's not even a real question. Pay to win games are not considered real games amongst gamers

[@MrSpaceAngel]

Dota and LoL aren't p2w games.

[@alvintan3263]

I remember my friends didn't bother to teach me dota, i used sand king and hit Roshan as i didn't know whats that and died. Its been a decade

[@shfjskkx]

Items, Knowledge are the same in both. League requires you to be able to predict and actually have hands. DoTA requires you to have map awareness/vision, but dont worry by the time you turn your character you could have read the entire dictionary. League gives you 0.2 seconds to react to anything and thats being generous. DoTA makes everyone wait 180degree over 45degree per .25 second to do a somple turn

[@NurglePudge-e6c]

As someone who has played both, i say that Dota 2 is harder. The difficulty that comes most of the time with LoL is just having people pick a role and be good at it and while Dota 2 doesn't push roles, that freedome really creates where people choose heroes they are skilled with and can have amazing synergy with each other. Also, Dota 2 is really punishing compared to LoL.

[@xakushonx8798]

Dota is more complicated but that doesnt make it harder or less harder, the skill differences may just lay somewhere else

[@Zyper_Sebxr]

I like that everyone in the comments just says "complex = harder" That is not the same thing but okay The more i think about this question the more it just doesn't make sense, you need to be more specific

[@sabnock31]

Dude, you can literally Pavlov train yourself to play League. Dota requires a bit more thinking.

[@8omic]

I had a note book for Dota 1 just to memorize build path of all the items and the shop that sold them. Fav hero Skeleton King why ? because I didn't had to tangle my finger every time I cast a skill

[@Gofex1337]

This was true on release, when Dota was equivalent of Season 4 League. Dota is still equivalent of Season 4 league though while League isn't still in Season 1.

[@TheSpineOfTheWorld]

you act like Dota hasn't been updated at all

[@lbug-]

crazy to think that theyre making this a debate

[@Drae_mon]

Played OG dota and LoL (Plat peak). Tried Dota 2 few years back and I was LOST.

[@deadriddle5694]

i don't think an answer is valid if one of the options is unknown. its just weird when this one harder so one point to the one i know and it give that option a point 😂

[@Pupilwalker]

DOTA 2 IS HARDER, THE HARDEST GAME ON EARTH, IN MY 10 YEARS OF PLAYING DOTA 2 IM STILL NOW IMMORTAL ARCHON

[@armanhansda7558]

Bro defined LoL quite right. LoL is the tutorial of dota2.

[@Nppsol]

Bro that nouns player that said league is all about landing skillshots is very true, dota has a lot of point click skills & league only have numbers of point click skills. In league, if you land your skills, most of the time you kill, in dota on the other hand, well ti9 when mc ravaged og at the rosh pit explains it

[@raywcksn]

In league you react, in dota you think. Thinking game is almost always felt harder and less fun for the majority of people.

[@cursezil]

Played both... Lol is more straight forward specially coz of the animation,, while dota is more complex, there are skills that has longer animations and dota has more experience factor

[@abo133780]

Stupid question, what is harder football or basketball?