League of Legends Wants to Be Magic: the Gathering | MTGGoldfish Podcast

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[@NezeruGaming]

Legends of Runeterra "flopped" because it was the most consumer friendly card game allowing you to collect cards easier than any other digital CCGs for free. Despite that, PvP died out while its stellar PvE roguelite mode became the main mode for players, which only exacerbated the revenue issue because PvE players didn't need to buy cards for PvP, while cosmetics couldn't make up the difference in Riot's earnings expectations. It then became an ouroboros cycle of the game losing Riot money, Riot slowly diverting dev and marketing efforts off the game, and the wider League audience becoming more clueless about its existence, failing to onboard new players. It was a solid game failed by Riot in both marketing and ironically, too generous monetization.

[@vinnythewebsurfer]

Hearthstone proves exactly that despite so many of its players insisting that it’s really “generous”.

[@ShadowMage223]

I think its especially interesting to look back at how its generosity killed it in the wake of the smashing success of PTCG pocket. People want the gradual dopamine of cracking packs and building a collection. Anecotally I enjoyed LoR but found little reason to grind ranked once I got a comfortable collection (which was very quick), and then I very soon quit after that after trying to hang on by just playing their draft format. The game was *fun* but at a certain point *just* felt like a time waster.

[@dominicmetzger3246]

I’m sure they’ve learned their lesson. Generosity is bad business for a ccg

[@TonyScimeca]

@@ShadowMage223 TCGP is way too early in its lifecycle to know if it has legs. Give it another couple years and we’ll see

[@casteanpreswyn7528]

This is some grade A satire.

[@dolliwan]

Maybe a different type of comment... Thank you Richard for taking care of family. I stopped counting the times I had to skip playing Magic, because it is family first. It will payback ;) One of my sons is grinding arena and we go together to events at or LGS, so hang in there

[@EDZ1LLA]

One of the best things about LoR was that all the art was stunning. Every card looked amazing and you could then go into each card and look at the whole picture, which the card normally only showed 1/3.

[@goncaloferreira6429]

excelle card design as well.technically it was probably the best game out there.

[@rmcdaniel2424]

Keep in mind... League of Legends / Riot games has made an EXTREMELY popular board game that came with pre painted miniatures. The product quality blew out the big guys including hasbro. They are not scared to drop a billion on a single game.

[@BigHit9922]

Here’s hoping

[@pizza-doggy]

I'm not sure if you're sarcastic. It's a good game and better than people expected. But it's far from extremely popular. I've been playing league for years and I don't know a single person that owns it amongst my friends. Nor is it critically acclaimed or mentioned much in all the board game channels I watch. It's just a bit too dense and large to have that level of success. It's one of those games that people like once they buy or play it, but it's hard to get people to that point. The game doesn't even seem to be sold right now. They've also thrown a bunch of money at things that fail like forge.

[@ajellis3914]

If they threw a billion at it you would have seen a foil or showcase. This looks like a cash grab. The cards look really bad from the tech demo, verging on unreadable. The abilities seem very one dimensional. They didn't even show off the mechanics of the game man. This is not it. Might be fun to get your family into magic or something but even then IDK.

[@pizza-doggy]

@@ajellis3914 I think their best chance of success is to appeal to the collectors/gamblers. Like all the people buying pokemon cards, not to play. Imagine if they had skin variants at 1% odds of the champions. Elementalist lux would be so expensive. I also feel like the League IP is a blessing and a curse. You have an established IP that appeals to an audience. But also a stigma for anyone else.

[@donshont]

That was like 8 years ago. I think Tencent has pulled the leash on Riot spending. They aren't as cash crazy as they used to be. And I'd probably blame the recycled art in this game on that.

[@vinnythewebsurfer]

It’s not even just the reused artworks, the general presentation of these cards looks so god damn basic and cheap looking compared to any other paper TCG I’ve seen. It’s certainly a downgrade to Runeterra’s presentation (animations aside obviously).

[@_Ve_98]

Magic is so great at presenting information that it actively pains me when I have to see the old style borders. If there's anything other TCGs should learn from Magic it's frame design.

[@TheLargeBard]

Crim, have you read the MTG manga “Destroy all humans, they can’t be regenerated” by Katsura Ise and Takuma Yokota? They are starting to translate them from Japanese and the first volume in English is out. It even comes with a promo card at the back.

[@altrivotzck6565]

It's such a vibe. That manga explained what happened in combo winter better than any video essay could.

[@naqib_2365]

18:36 *sigh* Crim, as a long time follower of Riot games, I can tell you they have mastered the art of telling the playerbase “we hear your concerns”. Whether they follow through is a different matter entirely. Sometimes they do. Sometimes they tell you their game designers have 200 years of combined experience so they know better then the players. Sometimes they put in a button to play their dying hearthstone clone on their other incredibly successful game’s launcher 4 years after release , only to shutdown pvp support for said dying hearthstone clone a month later, effectively killing it. Even though the playerbase was expressing concern about the financial health of said hearthstone clone for its 4 years lifespan. Riot did make sure let the playerbase know their concerns were heard from the very beginning and told them not to worry about it, the game was doing fine.

[@lukecraig4984]

One thing I wish Magic would learn from Legends though is how much fun the single player mode is. It would be so fun to have a single player campaign version of Magic!

[@atomysticator]

I will be the league of legends card game defender and put out there that this art is most likely either test art or they will change it following the rhetoric surrounding it online. A lot of people don’t like the designs, and honestly neither do I, but riot does have a pretty good track record of looking at community feedback and doing something about it (ex. Valorant release) especially with art/design.

[@RyuPlaneswalker]

Thank you Crim for admitting that "The Magic the Gathering Anime" won't matter at all because apparently despite Arcane being the current "Best thing ever" you still don't care about League of Legends.

[@Wyrm7774]

Don't use anecdotal evidence. League saw an increase in new players and daily logins since arcane released.

[@bbyowll]

Arcane isn't necessarily to get people into League of Legends, League of Legends helped them make a successful anime.

[@_Ve_98]

​@@bbyowllit's an expansion of the IP, but it wasn't even meant to be canon at first. Then the first season surpassed all expectations and now riot is trying its best to get Arcane fans into league. It rarely works, but the fanbase is so big that it's worth it even if only 1% does.

[@_Ve_98]

​@@Wyrm7774how many of those logins were new players and what's the ratio of new players to Arcane watchers? Statistics can be incredibly misleading.

[@FSUMercerian]

Want to add in that Runeterra has not been shut down because Richard implies it a lot, they aren't focusing on PvP, but the game itself still gets updated basically every month with new content.

[@crss29]

Those cards would have been mediocre graphic design 20 years ago.

[@1ryb360]

22:23 this is not true. TCGs is bigger than ever in China. One Piece, PTCG, and many other stuff are raking in tons of money right now, which is probably why Riot is launching in China as a trial. The paper version of Genshin TCG also launched to great success just a few weeks ago. Sure, it pales in comparison to the mobile market, and it appeals a lot more to the collector side than the "player" side, but it is still a huge market. Not sure which city Richard visits when he's here, but there are many TCG stores in all major cities here like Beijing, Shanghai, Tianjin, Chengdu, Harbin, and more. Next time you are here you should definitely try looking for them :)

[@IronTigrex]

Feels like everyone wants a part of the pie with TCGs nowadays. I'm not a fan of League of Legends, but I played a bit of Runeterra and had some friends who were really into it, until the powercreep and balance went out the window (or so they told me). The market is oversaturated nowadays, between Magic, Pokemon, Yu-gi-Oh, Flesh and Blood, One Piece, Star Wars Unlimited, Altered, Lorcana, Gundam (that will hopefully be coming at some point)... and that's not counting stuff like Hearthstone and Arena, which aren't cheap either if you want to switch decks a fair amount. I think unless the gameplay is rock solid and the universe/artistic direction is really up your alley, most people will skip on a lot of these. Collectors will focus on what has the best art, and so far, that "Project K" doesn't like like it can really hold a candle to a lot of the heavy hitters. So unless they really step their game up, the gameplay is gonna need to do the heavy lifting, and that's not looking like it's really breaking new grounds either... And that commander platform sounds like a recipe for distaster. Another system to buy cards (that you don't own), with a limited pool, limited artworks, and God-knows-what paywalls and other anti-customers practices. No thank you.

[@atk9989]

Also your list is missing some of the other smaller tcgs iv seen around like Vanguard, and Weiss Schwarz which is the anime version of what magic is doing now.

[@typethe1316]

I think that the eternal format 60 card format is actually "kitchen table magic". It's casual "what decks do we want to play" sort of play with friends. If we want to make it a standardized or competitive play format, then we need to move to a points based system.

[@wiigamer1995]

aperantly 30$ vintage is a thing SCG con ran event with somewhat decent prizepot irc

[@as95ms98]

Don't know if this is a hot take, but the reason why most other card games flop is because they try to "solve" the mana problem that Magic has where it feels shitty when you draw too many or too few lands. However, the mana system is what makes magic as amazing as it is gameplay wise. Also Runeterra was easily the second best TCG in terms of playability out there behind Magic. I'm so sad it flopped as someone who played that game 1v1. I would always tell people that it was the most similar to Magic in terms of the balance between the stack, combat, card advantage, and resources, while having really interesting mechanics that were only possible in a digital TCG creating a really in depth and unique experience.

[@Iptqwerty]

I agree. The only thing that could improve upon Magic's mana system is if the essential staple lands were more accessible/affordable. The color pie with its flavor and mechanical diversity, having to consider tradeoffs between consistency vs adding another color to access poweful cards from that color, the delicate balance of multi-pip cards that make some cards 'less castable' even with the same mana cost etc. Magic's mana system still is the best among all TCGs.

[@HyperBeam17]

Yeah idk if that’s the reason why these other games flop, but I absolutely agree that at some point in the early development of every new TCG someone is asking “how do we do Magic’s resource system better?”. Magic being the progenitor of literally all TCGs, I think it’s a fair question to ask in 2024 and beyond. Magic is what it is because of the mana/land system, but that same system is also extremely dated from a design perspective and not something that would be appealing to a League of Legends player who most likely has no idea about TCGs outside of LoR and HS.

[@Xoulrath_]

Magic is outdated and older than most of its current players. 😂

[@TheEvolver311]

VS System was imo the only card game to really rival Magic the Gathering. It only flopped because Upper Deck had an embezzlement scandal that prompted DC to pull it's IP and the game had built around the DC set Marvel set repeat cycle.....so when DC pulled out it essentially killed any future for half the teams in the game. Anyway. Vs has a great solution to the mana issue. You draw 2 a turn any card can be placed face down as a resource, some cards can be used from the resource zone but any card can be used as a resource, every turn you get resources to spend equal to your resources. If you were an aggro deck you might stop playing resources at 4 or 5 and just draw 2 for the double play, lots of decision trees

[@Goldy01]

@@TheEvolver311 Lorcana's ink works quite similarly, as well as Duel Masters' one.

[@three-card-dead]

Hilarious how much I agree with Richard regarding "Once we ban... it'll be fixed!" Yet we've done this time and time again and everyone who purchased into Modern to play the strong(est) strategies just get BANNED out. Fury ban made Yawg the best deck in the format and made Living End the best grief deck Grief players grieving Rhino players being called the villians Nadu players losing money on Shukos Beanstalk players never being allowed to say the word Trigger again Yorion players being forced to play a faster deck Incoming Ring Players losing massive collection equity Modern is paradoxical. The average Modern Player wants to WIN and play against COMPETITIVE opponents, but if you play the winning deck, it gets banned in 3-6 months. Why bother playing this format? If one of the most competitive and famous formats is dead, why bother playing Magic? and Why settle for a lesser format when I can't afford more?

[@atk9989]

Here's the thing though, with a competitive format like modern you only lose out in value if you are following other people's decks. Also EVERY competitive TCG has the exact same rotation from either bans or power creep killing the best decks and you lose value. You will not find any TCG that doesn't have the exact same pattern. Even legacy and vintage have cards rotated out by power creep losing people value.

[@nickel_n_dime719]

At 27:40 they were talking about "what's the most popular". In terms of pure market value, Pokémon is the top dog and it isn't very close either: 98.9 Billion to Disney's 61 billion ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_media_franchises )

[@wookie5959]

If youre not bothered about League of legends talk skip to 30:07. You're welcome

[@Shimatzu95]

👍

[@henrypendergast8108]

Someone else already mentioned that the game suffered from under-monetization, but for me personally it was almost too interactive of a game. The fact that both players take their turns at the same time and are constantly passing priority made the game feel super interactive, but also made me feel exhausted after a few games.

[@aquaguy88]

Also modern horizon (and direct to modern) was probably the worst thing that could ever happen to modern. Playing "True Modern" that doesn't include those sets has been one of the most fun things I've played in a long time.

[@thatepicwizardguy]

as somebody who has played league of legends for like 12+years... this game could NEVER rival MTG or even pokemon or yugioh etc etc. the fact that it's SPECIFICALLY runeterra and limited to their very small setting (when compared to other IPs) it just doesn't have the amount of characters etc to keep up without them dedicating a huge team to it which they will not.

[@heliaxx]

Normally, I don't concur with Crim on his takes, but he was full of W takes on this episode.

[@alexspeedwagon3701]

Mark rosewater spent 30+ minutes on his podcast one time actively defending Nash’s design in its current state and how important it is to them to design 50%+ of cards explicitly for commander. Nothing will change their minds on that front if that’s the direction the PR is pointed. Yes, they should stop designing for anything but standard since that’s when the game was the best, but Hasbro probably won’t let them do it since the commander paypigs have such a voracious appetite for the newest cardboard funko pop

[@alexspeedwagon3701]

Nadu*, autocorrect got me lol

[@CodenameFuyuki]

I personally think its more at the 10-15% on "oops we made a contract to not ban the one ring" specifically because it looks really bad to ban the 1 of 1 card in the eyes of the tolken estate. I definitely dont think its likely, but its definitely not impossible.

[@kojy372650]

What do you think about a format back to 8th edition(just like modern) and making it so that you can only play cards that were, at one point, standard legal AND in-universe? I would play that format! No broken straight to modern cards and just good magic content!

[@dullestpenguin4151]

I totally agree with Crim' concept of printing for standard being best, but Richard is right that commander players wont buy just for IP.

[@Shimatzu95]

49:04 crim definiely never had to take care of children or jung animals, touching the hot stove despite knowing ot hurts you is part of their routine 😅

[@stevo0109]

Oh shoot I’m early, love you all. Crim you used to be the villain of the show but you’re now my saint and Richard is the lovable devil. Really enjoy the show a ton, love the whole crew

[@TenTailedSasuke]

48:05 I also believe the answer is "no", because the alchemy version of The One Ring has been nerfed

[@TheGamerShelter]

Did I miss it? I didn't hear them talk about the fact that Riot has already made an incredibly successful board game based in the LoL universe. It did have a limited release which you could look at as "distribution problems," but it sent waves through the board game industry when it came out.

[@Archflip]

22:33 Interestingly, Genshin has been developing a light digital TCG within itself that seems to be transitioning to physical copies now. Genius Invokation TCG. I'm not a fan of it myself, but I keep hearing about it and how there is a whole tournament side of it, so it must have found its audience somehow.

[@cassie7611]

pioneer covers my entire magic lifetime. i started with origins in 2015. can confidently say pioneer is the best 1v1 format, though standard is second.

[@pauldyson8098]

I agree with Crim: design for Standard, keep Standard healthy, and things will generally be fine. I'm also a Magic boomer, so maybe this is just me missing the glory days of the 2000s/early 2010s.

[@danielpaxton3560]

Have any of you guys used Cockatrice? It’s a free way to build and play commander decks and they have the new sets in their data base soon after they launch. It may be a nice solution to Richard’s problem.

[@MakeVarahHappen]

I think pioneer is going to be ruined by the 6 standard sets a year that have to be half universes beyond and thus be chase cards.

[@TheEvolver311]

Naw Pioneer will continue to massively tilted towards Black decks

[@BrainlessEd]

When people say modern doesn't have the answers like legacy, while also admitting modern's answers are too good, the real thing they want that keeps legacy in check is the answers are stronger but narrower and have downsides. Force of will is the poster-child of this. It is a far stronger answer than anything modern has, but going down a card (and it has to be blue) is a very real cost. There are situations and matchups where going down a card for a counterspell is bad. The pitch elementals are a great example of them trying to replicate legacy's answers and falling on their face. The biggest problem with the evoke elementals is the scam, but even if they couldn't be scammed they still miss the point of legacy's answers. Hard-casting the elementals is too good. Evoking them 2-for-1s yourself, but hardcasting them 2-for-1s your opponent, so they are overall neutral card advantage and there are nearly no situations where they are bad. Another good comparison is leyline binding, static prison, prismatic ending, and solitude compared to swords to plowshares. Swords is absolutely the strongest card. But there are matchups and points in time in a game where you don't want swords. There are very few situations where you don't want the other cards, they are almost always good. But swords, despite being more narrow, is better at policing the format because it IS a stronger answer.

[@coldtruth4u]

Crim talking all these games, I hope he doesn’t spend more than an hour per day on video games! Stay healthy guys 🤙

[@pedrobianchi2412]

The Bazaar looks cool. Been watching NL play.

[@rodrigodepaula4198]

Pokemon is a lot more popular then Disney.

[@KebbieG]

Lets be real here. Do you think they just increased the numbers of sets legal in Standard for no reason but for the players? Most likely they did this because they can then print higher power level cards into standard, so they can see play in commander, pioneer, and modern. They kind of even stated this when they printed Pyroclasm. They stated with more sets in Standard you will need better answers. Implying they will power creep standard sets.

[@404_Storm]

I have never disagreed more with Crim than when he called Valorant a better game than Counter-Strike.

[@Julian.Smith.Visualization]

I gotta agree with Richard on his universe beyond point. I was literally thinking last week about how i wish the bandai Gundam card game was just a universes beyond instead.

[@JackCross3]

The thing about Magic the Gathering is that the people have already gathered. There's a whole ecosystem you can engage in to maintain interest and excitement for the game, and its easy to find people to play with. I loved Runeterra (more than i like magic tbh) but it just never built that base of Crims and Saffronolives and CGBs and a hundred other people.

[@natejablonski]

I know you guys aren't Legacy experts, but I want to point out the cards that people are calling for to be banned in that format. Psychic Frog and likely a second card from Reanimator (I'd ban Troll of Khazad'dum because it's Entomb+creature to Reanimate on the same card, but there are other candidates) The One Ring and Vexing Bauble, the main engine and protection for the artifact combo deck Either Glaring Fleshraker or Kozilek's Command to hit Eldrazi Nadu, having both spawned its own fast combo deck and slotted into the old Cephalid Breakfast deck I'm indifferent on whether Eldrazi needs a hit, but I'm rooting for the other five to all get banned.

[@juancuesta701]

Banning The One Ring be like: It's not a simply walk to Mordor

[@scottcampbell9515]

Seth. If you want to know their thoughts on Modern go listen to what Aaron Forsythe said during the announcement of UB in Standard at Magic Con Las Vegas. Really listen. You can tell there is a lot of regret there.

[@storeblaa]

Ill add my voice as part of the group that loves modern, been playing the last 2 years and I loved mh3 in principle and the cards, if they had just used unscheduled bans to deal with nadu / energy at reasonable times I think modern would be plenty good now. Yes its not the og modern from back in the day but idk being a modern zoomer, its still easily and by far the format i enjoy the most and its not even close to anything else. (not being able to brew I think is just a lie but that's me)

[@TheFootballstar5588]

Commander is casual but also pretty daunting for a new player. There’s thousands of unique cards with a hundred different mechanics. I find that part of magic fun but I know people that refuse to take on the task of learning

[@shadowblaze740]

Idk bro. Me and all my friends love strong cards. Keep printing power wizards!❤

[@imgarfi3ld]

Would love to see you guys bring on someone like MaRo or Gavin Verhey and include them in these conversations for an episode

[@astrowerm]

Is there a milestone of episodes you guys are looking forward to?!

[@nathanshattuck4399]

I think they’ve missed the mark on what the biggest problem with modern is. I genuinely believe that the biggest problem with modern is that it’s not on Arena. If they created modern on arena, I think the format would start to come back.

[@TheSmartCinema]

If only the card style was like on Legends of Runeterra. These new card look AWFUL imho, especially compared to how clean the LoR digital cards look.

[@scaredycat3146]

I think it should be noted that Riot is running on Tencent money. If they really want to penetrate the market, they probably could. But if they deem it worthwhile to do so will most likely depend a lot on the initial impact of the game.

[@fromadhdtodndtomtg]

Thank you Crim! Pioneer!

[@jaboidoug]

The card game out there that can kill MtG is MtG

[@Will_Morand]

I don’t think being a digital company is inherently an issue for TCG distribution. Cygames is a Japanese video game company that releases Shadowverse: Evolve with as far as I’m aware minimal issues. It may not have gotten as big as other games, but it’s still an example of a TCG from a non-tabletop game company doing decent.

[@danw6485]

December 2023, Fury and Up the Beanstalk banned, Grief not banned. March 2024, Violent Outburst banned and grief not banned. August 2024, Grief finally banned and Nadu banned. We have been playing whack-a-mole for the last year and I don't see how anything changes. I fear that WotC could ban the one ring and 2-3 energy cards and the format will just be dominated by the next powerful deck for another 3 months.

[@2d_spartan]

Waiting for an episode where Richard isn't a HATER on other peoples opinions/ides

[@MiguelGonzalez-nc8bu]

Dota magic cards would make wotc lots of money

[@retrofuturistJL]

I think they effectively achieved their goal of making legacy/vintage irrelevant by making modern the defacto legacy format that they can print directly too and not roadblocks by the reserve list. Pioneer is new modern

[@ZackeroniAndCheese]

9:57 I quit Runeterra when the level up animations got lazy. The first set had the card on the board do an animation unique to itself when it leveled up. Following sets just cut to a .mp4 cutscene and the card was leveled up when the cutscene finished. Super immersion breaking. Gameplay is far from the only important aspect in making a game feel good to play.

[@TheSmartCinema]

not to be that guy but like that's as if someone said they quit Magic because on MTGA they stopped doing the Mythic Rare animations. it sounds more like a capricious complain, than an actual "deal breaker" for like 99.99% of gamers. If your definition of "immersion" includes flashy animations, should I bet you aint playing table top Magic? cause you know, the tabletop animations are getting lazy too.

[@_Ve_98]

​@@TheSmartCinemamagic is different because the mechanics are so flavorful that you don't really need that. Also, they don't do bad animations. They just don't make them at all, which is actually better. Removing things entirely is less painful and easier to forget than a severe drop in quality.

[@l4l01234]

The game also came out after Magic Arena was already out in beta, and at the height of Hearthstone’s popularity. It being just a “solid” game with a F2P friendly experience is simply not good enough. It needed to be better than two of the most popular card games in history, and it wasn’t

[@dullestpenguin4151]

I'm in the same boat as Richard when it comes to modern. I just want to play boomer Jund or at least the upgraded version and have it be top tier.

[@DontBeALlama]

Not surprised Kibler involved.

[@FRlDDY]

As a Lor player and lover this was just a really sad announcement.

[@TheWood005]

I think LoR really needed some sort of limited draft mode. I know that is difficult to do, considering how decks are built around champions, but I really feel like the basic constructed being the only PVP mode hampered the game.

[@alexholker1309]

They did used to have a draft mode called Expeditions. Instead of drafting cards one at a time you drafted themed groups of 2-3 cards, so it was impossible to get a champion and none of its enabler cards.

[@OGNoNameNobody]

The only thing I know is that this is WotC's _LAST CHANCE_ to hit *Shelly* with the Banhammer. If they miss AGAIN, we're *stuck* with her until Summer Rotation.

[@noaha1582]

Foundations shook the meta up. In my recent experience shelly hasnt been as huge of a problem as 6 months ago.

[@Palidram]

LoR largely failed because of generosity rather than being a bad game. I stopped playing necause it was starting to get too hearthstone random for me, but it was a very well done game overall. It was effectively free to play, and not in the Magic Arena way. If yoy wanted to buy a t1 competitive deck it would cost me £35-£40 at most, presuming i had ZERO cards in that deck. When you're giving away 5 tier 1 decks for the price that Magic is giving away 1, youre going to run into some issues and their cosmetics game was pretty lacklustre. I'm prety optimistic about a physical card game because as Crim says, Riot kind of make whatever they touch better and have very few bad decisions under their belt

[@aquaguy88]

I've always told myself that if I was going to play another game I have to sell my MTG collection for it. This game doesn't look good enough to sell out for.

[@Metroid23456]

Damn. I was betting the unrevealed UB for 2025 was League of Legends. Guess that's off the table

[@Nthrootz-d2y]

Damn the way they describe modern is how yugioh has been for the last decade

[@andymccoy8393]

Richard says that the upcoming League card game is going to be unique alongside MtG in having multiplayer. I don’t blame him for not knowing but this isn’t true. The upcoming Gundam card game from Bandai will also have multiplayer

[@josefinacabrera589]

Lmao I can't wait for BtL to be added!!!! It's my favourite deck in paper!

[@trondragon44]

Didn't Seth recently say that there was an issue with Pioneer with the high powered Black decks and now Pioneer is fine? If Standard and Pioneer fixes the issue with the best decks being Blacks decks I would agree those formats would be great. Heck give me more Eldrazi in Pioneer and I will be happy there.

[@EDZ1LLA]

Such a shame, Runeterra was one of the best card games ever made.

[@willwithanxbox]

Good i cant wait to be called slurs in person playing League of Legends rather than over chat 😂. Also Modern horizon is killing modern tbh if they banned all 3 from modern id be happy (it won't happen this is cope)

[@isaliew]

Richards take on no TCGs in china tells me he has never been. China has a thriving TCG and tabletop scene. What they dont support is gambling with TCGs, but theres events and great competitive play groups.

[@aleckelly755]

Riot fundamentally doesnt market their products to anyone other than existing consumers of the products they already have. I have such a hard time believing they have the committed bandwidth to pull off a paper tcg with competitive scene.

[@GaaradancepartyX]

Commander client wish that will never happen, scan your paper cards into the client to just use your paper collection so you aren't buying another one

[@AdamEichholz]

Sometimes I don't know if Crim is the embodiment of optimism or cope

[@atk9989]

He is the embodiment of the perfect consumer. Crim -"Oh I'd hate if they did x" WOTC "does x" Crim- " OMFG I LOVE THIS"

[@TubeFuzzyCheese]

Wizards could restore modern by making it so every set released outside of standard, but legal in modern only lasts for 2 years. So MH 1 and 2 are out, MH 3 is out in 2026. and Lotr is out in 2025. But because pioneer exists and UniByond is coming to standard. There is no need, better to let Modern die.😢

[@alwaysplaythegame]

Commander is technically casual, but id argue it's more complicated than 1v1 with unique cards, 100 card decks, and a focus on individual deck building.

[@friendo6257]

If you think about modern like a more powerful standard, a rotating format, it’s fine. But if you want it to be the thing it once was, you will be disappointed.

[@trymepoppo]

I experienced Mechs VS Minions and I knew they can produce good physical games. But their Supply Chain tactics were questionable at that time (Only shipping from a few countries, with an absurd shipping cost in 2016), and they just stop supporting their games that supposed to be a platform for a lot of expansions. I surely will be skeptical to any physical games they would produce.

[@falkranduhm10]

Those cards look like an acid trip.

[@Jace9IX]

Its been said many a time before me but Project K (aka league card game) CANNOT have a good multiplayer and a 1v1 experience i think its just too hard to try and balance both plates

[@mjkuhnke]

The problem with almost every non-standard format is the specialty non-standard cards.

[@chadbauer]

Like Richard... once you have Kids and family comitments..its dificult for me to go play edh in person. Online commander Would be perfect for me

[@dane_anubis6213]

MH1 left a lot of modern decks playable. MH2 cut the number and made the survivors need to upgrade. MH3 has practically killed any deck that doesn't run mostly horizons cards. I like my burn decks, mill decks, merfolk, elves, jund, tron, etc and these are all but dead and unplayable

[@CasualKing21]

Y'all aren't the problem, you're just saying things ppl have already said when MH2 came out. You've just caught up

[@theodosiuspadua4503]

BUDGET VINTAGE IS THE ANSWER

[@SilverAlex92]

Disney is "bigger" than pokemon in terms of reach but pokemon makes a ton lot more money, so in some ways its the bigger brand

[@conangod00]

11:34 jinks say ready me and give me fist. That is weird

[@BS-gk2cb]

Runeterra flopped because it was too pro consumer. It didn’t make money because it was basically an ad-free, free to play model. Gameplay I think it blew hearthstone out of the water. Easily rivaled magic for me in moment to moment gameplay. Biggest shame when they announced pvp died

[@ericaschner3283]

Modern was always going to die eventually. You just can't have a healthy format that includes several decades of cards. Then to change it up you have to have creep, creep that you can't print into Standard... And it inevitably becomes a broken too fast format. What they could do, but won't... Standard is last 2-3 years, Pioneer is last 10 years, Modern is the last 20 years, and rotate all of them every year. Then, STOP printing shit explicitly to "rotate" Modern and let it just happen naturally.

[@Death_by_Tech]

22:28 Richard! How dare you! You have not heard of the 3 kingdoms card game????

[@Pavipants]

I think if I was a pro mtg player I would look to switch and support lol card game. Simply due to exposure, and prize money. World champs in mtg get like 10k and a card. World champions in lol get 1 million dollars and the biggest prize money is from world skins. So they know....also they have said they rather shut down the project than to release a bad game. They'll do a good job.

[@faithfulswine8965]

It's time for people to start taking Pauper seriously.