League of Legends won´t run on Linux anymore...

[@mimillie]

Riot didn't harm Linux players, they cured them from this game 😂

[@nstelios]

lmaoooo

[@ducky1681]

An anticheat should run on the SERVER. Never trust the client, first rule of development with literally anything that requires security and/or tamper-protection.

[@gtkall]

Exactly my thoughts. The server has all the real-time gameplay info it needs, and nowadays A.I. pattern recognition can be used to figure out if there's a machine input behind all the wacky movement and the absurd K/D ratio... A.I. server-side anti-cheat exists, but I guess it's cheaper to build a rootkit...

[@Winnetou17]

You are both wrong. If the anticheat is only on SERVER it will do a weak job of detecting cheaters. Or, the other way around, it will also ban good and very good players. And regarding AI... I have my reserves. Though as long as it's only used to signal potential cheaters and not let to do decisions on its own, directly, to always have a human review before deciding if someone cheated or not, then I'm ok with it.

[@ducky1681]

@@Winnetou17 Simply block any unrealistic requests, see if they are too precise for a human, etc etc. That alongside a non-invasive client-side AC like VAC could be really good imo Edit: there is a possibility for false-positives, I'm suggesting a ban only for repeat offenders, like if they aim exactly at the middle of someone's head hitbox or something 3 times in a row

[@Winnetou17]

@@ducky1681 It's not as easy as you think. Ok, in a shooter you can do what you say, to check how precise a shot was, or if the player tracked an enemy that was not visible and that might be telling enough. But for LoL you don't have that. I don't even know how do they cheat nowadays, but back in the DotA in WC3 days, people had map hack and could see the whole map, including where the enemy heroes went. The amateur map hackers would sometimes select one of the enemy heroes when it was impossible to see them, which was a foolproof way of telling it was a maphacker. But if they are more refined, they can simply make sure they are never ambushed. A very good player might be just as good at not getting ambushed and you'd have no way of telling that from the server.

[@ducky1681]

@@Winnetou17 and you'd have no way of telling that map hack from the client either. Anyone more sophisticated will just use a DMA attack and with that you'd have no idea no matter how deep your anticheat goes.

[@utahnl]

So because the lol devs messed up their security and got hacked, they will now be infringing on their users privacy and security by installing a chinese trojan, screw those guys.

[@Winnetou17]

I was thinking the same, when I heard about kernel-level running anti-cheats - Have a dedicated SSD + OS just for that game or those games. Have everything else on an encrypted SSD (or one that is easy to plug on and off) so the anti-cheat does not have access to it. The idea is that even if the anti-cheat is well behaved, at one point they might get hacked and the anti-cheat can suddenly become a full rootkit. I mean, it already is, kind of. Also, on that dedicated SSD + OS, to have ONLY the games themselves. Everything else, including emails, Discord whatever else, have it on the other SSD + OS, don't log in into anything that's not the game or its launcher. For something like Discord, if you want to use it during the game, you'll have to use from your phone or another computer. Which, yeah, that's quite the length to go, to be secure and private.

[@AdolfHitler-lk4vo]

the anticheat is not well behaved, when it first launched it would literally burn gpus, also riot has already been hacked and theyre owned by tencent

[@Winnetou17]

@@AdolfHitler-lk4vo Oh, boy, that's quite the history already. Good points!

[@malachkah]

@@AdolfHitler-lk4vo they were hacked - that's a fair concern. Why are you concerned about tencent tho? It's just another huge company.

[@AdolfHitler-lk4vo]

@@malachkah just another huge company owned by chinese government, i just dont trust them having kernel 0 program on my pc lol

[@daviusikse1486]

for me = no more multi player games at this point. There is no way to block all cheats. And kernel level = driver exposed. Maybe the only future possible for those games is the cloud. I cannot see an other way.

[@jimjam4real]

I love downloading rootkits on my computer that run 24/7! Thank you League devs 🥰 Edit: As for what I'm doing, I'm using a second GPU with Looking Glass and VM detection mitigation on a minimal Windows 11 install for as long as it lasts. When I eventually get banned for it, tough luck.

[@Seyfullah-mx3cq]

Whats your VM setup? You have some Reference?

[@jimjam4real]

I use a 3060 and a 970 in my PC, blacklisting the 970 from loading the Nvidia drivers using "vfio-pci.ids=[id1,id2]" in my Grub config. This loads the 970 with the vfio driver rather than the graphics driver. This can then be added to Virt-manager to any VM, and it should fire up without any other intervention. I personally make two Grub entries so I can boot to either GPU depending on how I'm feeling. As for mitigating detection, use e1000e network drivers instead of virtio, change the BIOS name from the default to something that resembles a real BIOS in the virtual machine's xml file, and use swtpm to make Windows 11 happy. I've tested this with Easy-Anticheat games like Fortnite and I've been able to play for quite a while as opposed to being immediately detected and kicked out. EDIT: Sorry this comment keeps coming and going, I comment and then reload and it's not there, then I reload and it is, but also not.. KZbin has really not wanted my comments to go through lately.

[@elfedac81]

I'm not a LOL player but I'm not agree with the Vanguard anti-cheat concept. - Not being able to deactivate/reactivate Vanguard freely without rebooting Windows is a complete mess ! - It means that currently, RIOT developers are incapable of detecting suspicious behaviour with AI without going through the kernel. Sad to hear that. - And most important, giving RIOT system privileges is absolutely stupid, intrusive and very very dangerous for operating system security. What will happen if Vanguard is corrupted ? - Can I really trust RIOT ? Because what rules determine whether I'm a cheat ? If I use reshade, for example, which can only be used to enhance or customise the visual game appearance, will I be banned ? I think so, as this is already the case with some games, which is really harmful for the player. In my case, I have an SSD dedicated to Windows but I hardly ever use it, because as well as having abandoned certain pointless games (Call of Duty, etc), CachyOS is much better suited to my needs as a software developer and gamer. So if need be, I'll switch to Windows for a game if I really want to play it. Otherwise I prefer to stay on Linux I sincerely hope that this kind of software doesn't become widespread.

[@ybcanal21]

With Valve and its Steam Deck device, don't you think Riot Games can get some pressure to bring their anti-cheat/-boting software inside a proprietary firmware that would be loaded while starting Linux kernel or the init system ? And only the user would choose to install it or not, and have its service started or inactivated. And Riot games Valorant and League of Legends wouldn't run unless the firmware is loaded and running.

[@A1RM4X]

I kind of mention it in the video... I am not sure this will ever go through with the Linux kernel philosophy. By doing that it will open the Pandora box for all the other "things"...

[@caseyjp1]

Some people will say, "Just dual boot". A kernel level 'ring-o' module can still read any and all of the hardware on the system (hard drives and data.) I'm a casual player of LoL on Archlinux with proton/lutris. That comes to an end with this rootkit. Dota2 is similar enough to scratch the 'moba' itch, so as much as I love the lore (Arcane plus the backstory stuff), LoL comes to an end for me UNLESS they rescind this and move to a server-side solution.

[@Winnetou17]

Just having it server-side I don't think will cut it. It will either let cheaters cheat or ban good players when they do a very good move. The only way to make it work is to have this as a requirement only for high ranked and tournaments. Anything else ... you can still have cheaters. Just use the friend system so you can filter them out and then be able to play normally, and also privately.

[@indaskyl1v3yx]

Dota is better.

[@JaePeaS]

Good, we're fucking free. Now I can install whatever linux distro I want without having to deal with that blight on my machine.

[@A1RM4X]

LoL (did you see the dad joke here? 😎)

[@ybcanal21]

Their anti-cheat solution could look at the kind of hardware connected to the computer and stop/cut all outputs or make impossible to copy the RAM while the game is running, or else ? At keast the showned method requires 2 monitors and looking at both while playing. It's less enjoyable to play that way, even for cheaters.

[@felipefmavelar]

maybe cloud gaming only is a solution for cheaters while still having privacy

[@ybcanal21]

Another solution would be a team or a company to check/follow the best players or the ones a community would report as cheaters, and the team would be given access to the user account and see or analyse what the user is doing (like a ghost when we are dead in Counter-Strike), then take the decision to ban the user account Doing that may increase games price but the computer users wouldn't have to install spywares/breach code on their computers.

[@A1RM4X]

AI could help. Valve has been working for years to analyze all the data from the server side... It looks like it is still not ready yet...

[@elwen8525]

I think its a blessing

[@idcrafter-cgi]

the best way is to self host (if possible like in CS2/CSGO) and invite a friend group to play against which can make it cheater free if you know them personally

[@A1RM4X]

Like the good old days...

[@OXOPOHA1]

Windows baned me for KMS... How me play LoL now???

[@PokeBurnPlease]

Cant u just use the MAC OS Version ? MAC dosent need Vanguard. Sadly i couldnt find anything about this with google.

[@EldrichDargon]

I'm trying this now myself so

[@PokeBurnPlease]

@@EldrichDargon if you ever find a way would be great. Its litterly the only reason i cant switch right now.

[@edgelordtes9334]

will you post a video on how to run league in 2024 on linux?

[@maou842]

It’s impossible now.

[@EldrichDargon]

@@maou842 how?

[@bonkmaykr]

@@EldrichDargon have you not been paying any attention to the video you literally just clicked on? it's literally IN THE TITLE

[@mat2739]

Hello A1RM4X! Thks for your interesting content. I am wondering if you're gonna continue the Alan Wake 2 Lets Play Bisou-bisou

[@A1RM4X]

Make sure to be on discord and have the notifications ON. I am not giving up on Alan Wake 2, just too much to cover in the linux gaming world those days.

[@indaskyl1v3yx]

Thnks Goddes.. no more Lol . Best new 2024

[@mhercapscaps5974]

this game guard makes my PC more logging .

[@cuynu]

RIP.

[@KS-ep9rx]

Sure but just remember riot we have access to tools like hex dump like gidra and if someone wants he can just decompile and view what u are doing in vanguard and just run round it, if u dont made us linux user run hardware based anti cheat not just kernel u are always going to have someone walk around, most checks in vanguard are just nothing more than if/else statements just with little bit more params. BTW i fu***** love how riot is going to fix problems in lol, not just by fixing code making it to run better or just patching server side problems they are just going to make us run root kit on our side to prevent this small margin of cheaters/boters that cant look deep in to this and make run, if i correct they are thousands of cheat clients that runs even under bare metal windows and already making they way around vanguard or any other anti cheat (after some journey with 3d graphics i always thought before going to things like kernel lvl root kit is to make server capable of detecting any thing and this should be more like competetive fix not requirement for every one of us) and yea always users like me who compiles linux or just install this system to make pc run better smoother or bcs they just like are going to be just deleted from community because riot cant make native linux client and they are keeping mac os client alive (btw guys just small team we can wait with patches or anything just make it native or make port). And still even when u are going to make best anti cheat around the globe people can still with freaking FOSS can make AI to play like very high tier player with champions that have solo carry potential and still climb and sell this accounts or just sell this software and make them run this via some type of bridge or something like that that fakes mouse, keyboard and monitor(works like capture card or hdmi splitter) its not calculation intensive to analyse this type of images and make some software to do actions, AI learns and after few banned accounts with AI it going to be so advanced even vanguard its not going to detect this (i still think vanguard is not good at all after seeing how many people went around and succed)

[@antonius254]

instead of pissing off apple users in their bubble, make laws to force publishers to make games for linux. Microsoft's monopoly is nonsense. Maybe a passthrought should be a good idea

[@benjaminkingbros6408]

Windows is better for anti-cheat games than linux