League's Snowballing Problem | League of Legends

[@distraction2803]

Snowball is the biggest reason League is so frustrating-and so addictive.

[@hinamiravenroot7162]

Yes, nerf Nunu

[@YuriNoel7]

I agree because when you’re snowballing you feel like a unstoppable badass but when a enemy champion is snowballing (stuff like Master Yi, Jax, Zed, and Samira) you feel so helpless and the game now turns too “can we kill this champion before they kills us and can we recuperate enough to stall the snowball even more to come back”

[@oklemonn]

Fr

[@mrcheese5845]

U are right it feels so good to be op and so bad to not be able to do anything

[@vedaliessonmostepicfailsin5171]

Just learn how to snoball the game yourself,

[@cabbagebutterfly800]

"it's affecting every rank from Challenger all the way Bronze" Me in Iron: phew

[@ourdestiny_]

phew like u say m8

[@WizzyTheDizzy]

@Omega Zero they don't want to win with that kda it would just shoot them with higher MMR players.

[@2D_Stranger]

Playing in Iron is actually way better than playing in bronze to platinum imo, I usually get calm and collected team mates until I got out of Iron and then suddenly everyone is malding.

[@AustiBomb33]

if someone gets that many kills and loses, it's almost always a smurf who doesn't want to win so they can keep smurfing. They play for KDA against people who are worse than them, KDA is the only thing that matters to them

[@Strawhalo]

Not always true. Sometimes your teammates are so bad even with a 40/2/7 kat you still lose

[@LandelRey]

"first blood takes place between 3 to 5 mins" Meanwhile in my bronze games there's already 15 kills and a tri-force Yorick at 4 mins in

[@seepeewee5432]

And here I am already finished eyeball with 15 dark harvest stacks on jhin at 5 min

[@lukasausen]

And because its bronze the yorick is your top laner and he will manage to fuck it up and throw the lead followed by a heart breaking ff 15

[@CoffeeKitty.]

had a game in plat elo the other day where a guy gave up first blood at top to a singed before minions spawned, tped to his first minion wave died again, ran back and got ganked died again, lost his turret at 6 minutes, lost his t2 at 9 minutes and we lost inhib to a 25 soulstealer 600 ap singed at 14 minutes who eventually at 18 minutes 1v5d us at our nexus memeing on us inside our fountain. i was 10-1 as ezreal and had 2 items with near perfect cs and i couldn't do even 5% of his health with my qw hit lmao What the fuck even is this season

[@seepeewee5432]

@@CoffeeKitty. now we call that a monkey

[@onsetaugust]

@@CoffeeKitty. Singed is legit a horrible champion early. He has no HP, bad stats, and his farming pattern requires him to face tank a wave of minions to get CS. Either that Singed was Minishcap on a smurf, or your Toplaner was turboboosted, because there is no way in heck that should have happened.

[@nicod686]

Snowballing is the single most frustrating component of league. You’re doing great in your lane mid feeds the enemy yas and it’s Gg because he rotates snowballs and it’s a wrap.

[@sharpbit]

yup you're just minding your own business in bot lane and all of a sudden yorick takes the first inhib at 17 mins so you rotate to top to protect nexus towers and now yorick took your 2nd inhib at 20 mins

[@desuordie4856]

Also ita rough if you mess up once in lane and try to play it safe. Its only a few more waves before youre getting tower divee

[@DamianSzajnowski]

That's why unless ur pro elo, need to be proactive, get prior and get your jungler leads. Before someone on the enemy team gets fed and/or someone fucks up on yours.

[@sparkletinkercat3458]

This is why I build athemas chains nearly every game as mid. So that I don't die to some feed jg, top or bot laner. And it works so well at shutting them down

[@stixinst5791]

@@desuordie4856 meanwhile me getting dived at lvl2-3

[@luantib]

They also fucked up the earlygame x lategame champs, mostly new champs are good during the entire game

[@francisco9455]

cries in kassadin

[@quincy7258]

Pretty much...there is no trade off for most new champs. They are good every stage of the match now

[@BlaxeFrost-X]

is that based on data or just your impression?

[@luantib]

@@BlaxeFrost-X my data is the amount of mini rework they had to do in news champ removing entire mechanics like samira and akali...

[@Booyah910]

It’s not so much that they are strong at all stages as it is that they AREN’T weak at any stage. Samira and Yone aren’t strong early, necessarily, but they aren’t really vulnerable, either. So there isn’t a way to stop them from getting strong to begin with.

[@PressRToZeus]

Riot >makes the game incredibly snowball heavy and overpowered so games are "explosive and fast paced to keep audiences engaged" Pro players >play the game incredibly slowly so they don't fuck up and be labeled the new TSM and because it's their job not to lose, causing games to be really slow and boring. Insert riot "surprised pikachu face"

[@Elimbi1]

Well it's always easy to criticize someone in hindsight

[@nathanielhughes8071]

@@Elimbi1 maybe if hlit happens once or twice, but riot has been riding this train for years and refuses to pump the brakes when it clearly isnt working

[@Omegeddon]

Yeah idk what they were thinking. At the highest level you dont coinflip random jg fights to show off. You play safe and slow to win

[@angelocc4406]

@@Elimbi1 since we're in hindsight, do something about it?

[@bruh3457]

@@nathanielhughes8071 "clearly isnt working" idk man, still the most played game and most lucrative esport in the world

[@PlanADidntWorkOut]

Anyone remember when the Inner Towers gave Shields and Inhib + Nexus Towers had Laser beams? Miss the days of actually feeling safer next to my tower, I wonder what would happen if they returned?

[@fred__the_mad8312]

Ikr towers are fucking useless tbh

[@infinitydesu]

I always see assassins losing less than 33% of their health from 2 towershots without any armor or substantial amount of health to resist it.

[@KHfan0011]

Actually, the turret lasers were weak. The turret shield tho, now THOSE were pretty good.

[@mikkicarr5717]

Lol yeah I hate how there are some champs that can just towerdive endlessly (and I'm not talking about special abilities like Kayle R that have long cooldowns).

[@joekenwood4956]

@@fred__the_mad8312 its super annoying that the enemy champion hits you without you being able to hit back while dealing more damage than your tower would do to him to you

[@theredpigman7990]

I feel like the frustration from being on the weak side of the snowball amplifies the toxic mentality At least that's been my own experience, league is addicting but often not that much fun

[@labranehit7687]

I also think that it doesn't help that in new league one player is going to have a impossible time winning game but one bad player can destroy your chances. I generally always try to look only on what I did badly to understand what I could of done to win but man..... it is really hard to do that wen your team gives up at the moment the score is 0/3 and not always because of you (and that is silver! We are not very good at pressing a lead and very good at throwing a lead so giving up early is a mistake!)

[@Stolanis]

@@labranehit7687 That really is one of the biggest problems with League IMO, even more so than snowballing: all it takes is for ONE person on your team to decide 'oh the game's over there's no point in playing anymore' and that's it, you've lost. The enemy gets First Blood and they flame and choose 0% WR over 40% WR because... I don't know? League has taught me to be fine with losing, that sometimes it's completely beyond your control, but not because there's nothing I can do - rather, because *someone else* decided there's nothing we can do and I just have to live with the consequences of their poor attitude. Surprisingly like life, in some ways.

[@labranehit7687]

@@Stolanis that las sentence is so true XD. You will always have someone that tells you what you are attempting is impossible.

[@VERYR4RE]

i like games when neither team snowballs, those games are intense from start to finish

[@jcavs9847]

Until a team loses a teamfight, then you insta lose

[@saki453]

The best games are the ones where everybody manages to get full build and it can go either way. Just had one and it was the best match I had in months.

[@vedaliessonmostepicfailsin5171]

@@saki453 those are fiesta games bro, the game should be done by 30

[@BlaxeFrost-X]

Those are good, but stopping a snowball and wining by comeback is also great

[@desuordie4856]

Hobestly snowball comebacks dont feel fun anymore. Usually it feels like being a punching bag for 30m.

[@curbsideclock7245]

Top lane feels pretty bad, you die once and you have to stay at tower the whole of laning phase while the enemy mid and jungle build a holiday home there. And then your jungler is no where to be seen and you get flamed the whole game.

[@reden666]

So true

[@kosan181]

top lane is a shitshow, all the champs are way overtuned. noc,tryn,darius,kled,and irelia. all these champs just wreck

[@martinlevi3769]

who cares, the lane doesnt matter anyway xD

[@vedaliessonmostepicfailsin5171]

Just win the lane and that never happena

[@curbsideclock7245]

@@bakamitai3462 Well no, jungle has no lane, mid is a short lane and midlaners tend to have some form of mobility or "get off me" tool. Then botlaners have a support who in theory is able to peel for them. Top laners aren't designed to run away and are design to stand their ground and push, most toplaner will have short range cc and or a gap closer that's more effective towards danger. Coupled with them having a long lane it is very easy to snowball top lane, it's probably the easiest to snowball

[@KHfan0011]

"I was doing just fine and going even against my laner but she roamed, I pinged, the botlane didn't fall back and she killed them both. Now I can't farm." -Me whenever there's a Katarina on the enemy team

[@aft2009004]

Me whenever there is a yasuo, yone, katarina, zed, talon, akali...

[@KHfan0011]

@@aft2009004 preach

[@chiidybang370]

You can ping ppls as often as you want. Most ppls dont care and flame you afterwards for not following when its 100 times smarter not to follow and botline just falling back.

[@GodsPrettiestPrincess]

@@chiidybang370 especially fun when ur out of mana or low and they question ping you why you didn’t follow.

[@axrah8406]

@@GodsPrettiestPrincess or when they cant comprehend that mages cant just run down and facecheck river vs all the assassins and windshitters

[@neroforte6183]

"There are so many games where it feels like you've lose before you even get a chance to play" one of them is when a yasuo auto locks quicker than a full zed combo

[@muhammadhakim7867]

Thank you mr.vars for mentioning this problem ;-; This has got to be one of my biggest problem with league and how snowbally games feel. I think one of the main contributors of the snowballing problem are the mythic items since whoever is able to get a lead and get their mythic first pretty much just wins any skirmish or fight so it allows for a huge snowball even early on in the game

[@bulletcola7890]

I honestly feel like this Snowbally problem was there even before the Item rework.

[@muhammadhakim7867]

@@bulletcola7890 Uhhh sorry to sound kinda complainy but I'm sorta new to league so I don't really know about past seasons 😞

[@jvanava1085]

actually, not every champion benefits in rushing mythics. some benefits more on building their non-mythic core item first. the problem w/ snowballs solely rely with some champions with a high dmg/advantage early on. to which they can easily abuse late-game scaling champs that are naturally weaker at the early phase. the only way to beat a fed snowball champion is to stall the game until your late game champs gets stronger... to which is near impossible in this season where most match ended at mid to before late game.

[@fashionsuckman4652]

@@muhammadhakim7867 Even before this season, snowball was almost just as insane. It's all because everyone does absurd damage. It's too easy for you to get 1 item on someone then spend the rest of the game towerdiving bot lane

[@peepo216]

I agree wth snowballing being a problem but for me personally, even if the enemy is ahead my thought process is to just hold out until the rest of the team scales enough to be able to be even which happens quite often in low elo (majority of my games do last to 30-50 minutes and 20 minutes are rather rare and only occur when all lanes collapse.

[@aidenhsu9161]

Remember when Riot did a mini rework on kill bounties to "encourage comebacks"?

[@mojolotz]

Those are actually great. You really need to be careful not about getting shut down. two shutdowns for 1k and BAM. gold diff is gone.

[@henrimosser4608]

Actually, the shutdown gold is the only thing that can help a team comeback from a game that would otherwise be hopeless, it's a really good thing.

[@TheEllord33]

And that led to the no CS support top strat.

[@axrah8406]

Shutdowns are a good feature but god fucking damnit i hate how they work Just that they compare against the entire enemy team, so if their top is 4/0 he doesnt have a shutdown because my bot is 8/2 I can kill him twice so im 2/4 and all of a sudden i have a 300g shutdown. I get that its good for balancing the game but when you are isolated in the toplane for 20 minutes and you get gigantic shutdowns just cause their bot is losing its kinda cancer

[@Kingdramana]

@@mojolotz Yes, but it's also so easy for a player to get ahead only to see someone on the enemy team getting ahead even further, rotating, snatching your bounty and bum the game is over. I have also had a lot of cases when bot lanes keep on fighting endlessly and trading kills over and over and over again till they both bot lanes have 4 items and the rest of the team have 2. Can't say you are able to play when that happens.

[@-leonidas-2542]

The problem lies when you get out of laning fase, and just because the garen has 5 kils your game is over no matter what you do. Yo spen so much resources trying to kill the threat that the other members of the enemy team start also getting ahead. And don't get me to talk about those champs that randomly get 2 kills and even though they are 2/5 they just delete you, ehem, katarina

[@MioMillefeuille]

Zed

[@MioMillefeuille]

You give them one or two kills all of a sudden they're deleting everyone.

[@chiidybang370]

Yone, Yasuo are so bad designed. They are as strong with 2 items as others are with 4. 0/5 powerspike....If a normal midliner looses 0/5 hes useless. And yeah....kata...so easy to "steal" some kills in teamfights.

[@Araxoth]

A yi needs massive time and items to come online, so should kata but instead she deleted everyone after getting 2 kills in bot lane while going 0:5 fpr 15 minutes

[@ragna2077]

@@MioMillefeuille It's inherent in their design. Riot game designed an entire list of feast or famine characters and decided to "improve" them by making the famine side a lot less punishing. By logic, if they are already BEHIND and manage to get a kill for an influx of gold. Then why wouldn't they be able to kill the same target again (or more) now they are richer and have more exp? At much higher levels of play, people would play around with these characters to ensure they don't get any kills until they completely fall off or they get ahead enough so it doesn't matter. But at all lower levels of play where people are scrapping constantly or just having fun. It's only a matter of time when people get careless and then they start snowballing.

[@lucykitsune4619]

Recently started to play Kayle By the time I get to play the game, my team has either won without me or lost without me

[@bunny_the_lifeguard9789]

Sadge

[@Pyxlean]

Kayle is so fun in the late game and I love playing her, but right now matches have a far more shorter duration and it doesn't feel fun playing her anymore, that's the case for every single hypercarry too like Cassiopeia which I also love to play...

[@ouroborus6951]

That is true but i think that it is better now than one year ago

[@Chris-pd1zo]

You make some good points, but something I can't stop thinking about with the 5 min gap shown at the beginning is the fact that the earliest time to surrender got 5 min shorter during that time period as well.

[@animejuggernaut2553]

I definitely feel like the snowballing problem is a big one. When most matches are already decided by 10 mins when it's 4 kills to 1, you know they'll just push that lead and win most of the time, leaving you to just play for another 30 mins in a match you KNOW you'll lose. The most fun i've had were in matches with no snowballing, where we were trading evenly kill for kill in all lanes and the match was intense till the final big team fight where the outcome was decided. Those were the best! :D

[@robyfeh4586]

Agreed

[@phyrexian_dude4645]

Ironic, Rito in an attempt to make games faster and more exciting to watch for pro-play ended making them to drag on more for the pros to play in a more cautios and methodical way, fun for the people that like mind games but boring for most of the viewers.

[@sorensinsanity4411]

Love the name and icon. Sheoldred best preator

[@EddyConejo]

Ironic how being aggressive becomes less of an option when the prize is more valuable

[@a.i.m.f8567]

@@EddyConejo because if they fail its pretty much over

[@zemljajeravna5336]

I actually enjoyed more watching old games of the season 2/3 where games are longer and a lot big teamfights happen.

[@benjaminbarraza8972]

I main Yorick, the enemy stomps me in lane, then forgets I exist, they go and get a quadra while I crush their nexus Life is good

[@MaybeTartarus]

The amount of times this has happened to me too is so stupid and hilarious at the same time

[@benjaminbarraza8972]

@@MaybeTartarus thats why I like it, when they forget about me my plan goes as smooth as my brain

[@mahdihosseini5438]

@@benjaminbarraza8972 trundle??

[@minimoYT]

This is why I love having a Yorick on my team, shame I don't see him often

[@benjaminbarraza8972]

@@minimoYT I always play him, my team insults me for 30 minutes, I destroy 6 towers and two inhibitors, then the enemy team also starts insulting me, then I win the game while both teams insult me while they are fighting over a ward

[@ciara8811]

I was really interested in your discussion of vision as a factor in the snowball problem because I was actually talking to my friends last night about how hard it is to reestablish vision control once you lose it, if the enemy team places wards even semi-competently you'll need multiple sweepers to clear them out, reducing the number of wards your own team can place, which in turn makes it so the enemy needs less time to clear your wards and can put down more of their own leaving you forever on the backfoot since you simply cannot get more wards anymore.

[@chuuwen]

back in the day i feel like it was the EXCEPTION to have champs with a built-in kit that could 100-0 you (i.e. Veigar, Zoe, Darius, etc.), but nowadays riot keeps releasing champs designed to carry and 100-0 with very few to no items. i get wanting to speed up the game, but clearly there's an issue here.

[@a.i.m.f8567]

They just have to increase gold income, so the game finish faster and the early game meta is not the best one.

[@dankmemes8254]

Literary the new champion can revive teammates and that is not even his ultimate that is how bad the snowballing became it is too bad becuse I was thinking about it going back until I saw this passive

[@NodokenStar-k917]

Snowballing was one of the main reasons why I stopped playing League for about 6 months. All of the mental energy, stress and pain got the better of me to the point where it was not worth playing. There is no balance between playing aggressively and passively, and it feels like playing aggressive all the time is the only way of winning, without any drawbacks to hinder it. This is going to sound a little bit spiritual, but similar to yin and yang (the passive and active energy), neither of them can be without the other. Too much yin you need yang, and too much yang you need yin. This game's snowballing feels like drinking yang-ale than yin-juice. You'll never get a chance to plan out a comeback, because the enemy team can pretty much act like unstoppable rabid bulldogs for how much they want. So in conclusion, just because you make the game fast-paced and entertaining for viewers, does not equal fun for players. They become stressed and anxious for trying to not make any single mistake ever.

[@erickfernando18]

Well that's why proplay games now are longer, one early mistake and you are done

[@DamianSzajnowski]

Well, I hate it even more when the game is slow and sluggish, hard to get pressure and outplay, skill expression becomes swapped out by out drafting, winning by design, scaling, counter picks. Losing just because I'm ad and you got 2 tanks which still out damage me and the adc is not fun at all imo. Feels like you lose no matter what. With aggressive metas you at least can try and have the agency early.

[@NodokenStar-k917]

@@DamianSzajnowski Wether it’s a boring way or not, it should not be neglected as secondary option. That’s how some pro-players prefer to play for late-game. Back in 2016 & 2017, the tank and ardent censor meta, the reason why every hated it was not because of the occasional need for it by pro players, but the frequent necessity of it. Same thing can be said for season 8, the frequent necessity of early-game, by throwing in a ton of bullshit which made me hate season 8 so much, even more than the last two seasons. And by the way, did I need to remind you that this is a MOBA-game, a genre which requires five players to WORK TOGETHER? But now, thanks to Riot’s ignorance, the game became more selfish than ever before; By making Tanks do as much damage as a bruiser, fighters into team-fight monsters, mages play in the support role (fuck these guys by the way), assassins having AoE spells and even stuns, and marksmen self-sufficient. Why can’t we ever have a meta where it favors both passive and active play, never over the other? Why can’t we respect what others prefer? Why can’t we make pro-play and casual-play go hand in hand?

[@chiidybang370]

@@DamianSzajnowski adc outscales tanks hard the longer the game goes.

[@DamianSzajnowski]

@@chiidybang370 in teamfights, played properly, peeled for, etc, if don't get peeled or one misstep they still get oneshots by tanks, tanks base dmgs have been ridiculous for a long time and this channel got a video on that

[@dunk2g]

0:08 Iron is the only rank where snowball doesn't exist, time to demote

[@elijahlewis7266]

U must not have seen a snowballed yi in iron, it’s wayyy too common

[@dunk2g]

@@elijahlewis7266 just build armor

[@nate8808]

@@elijahlewis7266 I've never been in iron but during my climb I have seen many yi's in bronze and silver get 20+ kills and lose.

[@shrishvellore1501]

@@dunk2g true damage?

[@dunk2g]

@@shrishvellore1501 just build health

[@WedgeOfHeaven]

Peeps like Kog’Maw, Corki, etc. are basically just flipping coins for the win. You have little pressure early, so you shouldn’t get kills unless the enemy ints. You need to get to late-game to become a threat. Assassins, mages, everyone destroys you mid-game so you just gotta play safe, meaning you’re relying on your teammates to stall the game, hence it’s just a coin flip.

[@Jack-op8bb]

Also Kayle and Nasus top.

[@fancyncv110]

wtf kog is so goddamn broken right now and hes strong asf early what have u been smoking

[@zemljajeravna5336]

kog is both strong and weak in the lane, it all depends when he have W and when he doesn't, and it matters if enemy knows how to play against him to take advantage and play around his cooldowns

[@inkromancer_studios]

It was awesome that they introduced plating to slow the game down from a defensive standpoint, but since turret damage 9 times out of 10 is a complete joke it didn't really have the desired effect. Turrets can't possibly slow the game down if they're not a threat, even as early as the first 6 levels some champions can disregard them completely. Riot not only needed to make them daunting to take down, but they also needed to make them an actual threat... Also 160 gold per plate was too damn much...hell making each plate worth as much as a caster minion is even a stretch in my opinion...

[@ruimagalhaes478]

+ the frostation of being 7-0 and then you die a single time for a yasuo giving him a 700g shot down and gg

[@shaunzero]

"Sometimes you feel like you lose before you've even had a chance to play" is EXACTLY how the game feels right now. This has scared away my friends from playing with me as well.

[@the_slasher_pl1830]

It did become a bigger issue even over a few years I was on a break from League, back then I could play casually and it was all fun and games, now you can't go most of the games without playing it safe or tryharding if you have at least a little advantage (which still is a gamble)

[@RyokoVT]

I play pretty passively, I bide my time and wait out mistakes because I can do that at my rank, there are so, so many. Even if I don't punish all of them there are still huge ones to capitalize on. But everywhere I look or everyone I ask, it's always about aggression. You have to be more aggressive, being more aggressive will help you win your games, yada yada yada.. As a result of my playstyle I play champions that take time to come online, like Jinx. What I really don't like is that simply because of my playstyle, I never really seem to have an impact on the game, or if I do it's rather rare. Sure, Jinx comes online a -lot- sooner than she used to, just getting Kraken Slayer and Runaan's is enough to become frightening in teamfights, but it doesn't really matter if there's a Talon on the enemy mid that's roaming all over the map and getting kills in every lane, while our mid lane struggles to even get farm without him there. It used to feel as though there were always opportunities to come back, not just sometimes. Even now I do still get games where things are stalled long enough that my late-game team starts rolling over theirs, but every new champion released seems to be strong at every point of the game, or has one gimmick that's just unbelievably powerful. I've been playing since 2010 and have never once gotten above Bronze, and in the current state of the game I don't believe I ever will. Which sucks. Thanks for the video! (Also, for my take on turret plates, as it was a change I never actually liked. Keep tower durability, remove gold reward. It was unnecessary and sped the game up -way- too much.)

[@Stolanis]

There is one thing I will say in favour of turret plates. As a guy who likes to play squishy, immobile mages mid, it's really nice to have a way of gaining gold when my hyper-aggressive assassin lane opponent inevitably gets bored of my defensive playstyle and roams. I try to follow if it's safe to do so but most of the time it isn't, so sitting mid and pushing the wave to try and get a plate or two is a nice way to capitalise - assuming of course that the enemy assassin doesn't just double kill botlane every time they roam. It forces laners to make a choice: do I roam and help the team, potentially letting my opponent get plates, or do I stick around to maintain lane pressure at the cost of helping my team?

[@snipsnipb1tch]

sivir player... can relate. i feel like dead weight when playing most of the time.

[@dragonsreingsupreme1]

@@snipsnipb1tch xayah player I concur. Doesn't help my kit requires people to push to be at it's most effective.

[@HappyGick]

@@Stolanis The way you win assassin lanes is by playing carefully and patiently, but never stop spam shoving the wave under their turret. If they roam, you should be healthy enough to shove yet again and make them lose at least one wave. A common mistake when playing against assassins is staying back and fearing their all ins. That's fair, but as a mage you should have superior range, poke, and waveclear, so you should be instead spacing properly, poking them down, and spam shoving the wave. If they move, they lose CS, and that's the idea. Still play carefully and patiently, but don't give them any edge, assassins capitalize on mistakes and passiveness. They expect you to fear them and make bad choices because of it. Even without turret plates, this still works. Hence why assassins stopped being in the pro play meta years ago, even before turret plates were a thing. Always remember: mages usually outscale assassins, and can stop them fairly easily.

[@HappyGick]

I agree. Keep tower durability, remove gold reward. It feels really bad to die now because the enemy laner will snowball too hard for you to match it thanks to turret plates.

[@AlexanderIsakson]

I'm a kindred main do snowballing or falling flat on my face is my whole deal

[@Jack-op8bb]

This is so true, and it's the reason I despise Kindred mains. This champ can gank you level 3 and half health you with 3 autos as a ranged character. If she gets ahead, the game is over because she scales extremely well and she just right clicks and run forward to win. However, if Kindred falls behind early, she is useless for the entire midgame, she is so squishy, she has 0 cc and 0 damage.

[@FaeridaeCrawford]

Yikes, fcking hate feast or famine champs. So stressful.

[@GodsPrettiestPrincess]

@@Jack-op8bb and then even while they’re useless they can still steal a kill or two and instantly be back in the game.

[@olafthemoose9413]

Flip a coin for the first crab.champ

[@davidturner6280]

@@Jack-op8bb kindred is a hard champ they just don't right click to win. I main kindred btw. But you ar weight, if we get ahead is an ez game.

[@aft2009004]

Gotta love beating the enemy mid laner only for him to go to the bot lane and getting a double after you spam ping that they are missing and now you cant even 1v1 him

[@brunobonfiglioliveros7011]

The pro play clip its literally a recent match were a team was snowballing really hard but then lost bc of elder dragon buff

[@bohomazdesign725]

G2 trolled hard that game. Elder is not really the reason why they lost.

[@Delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol]

I feel like snowball got almost unbearable when the items got reworked. It felt like everyone was just getting out of base and oneshotting each other. And since then most of item changes have been nerfs. I feel like the items give too much stats just for having them completed and it's to the point, that if you're only player on the map with finished first item, you can pretty much force any play you want. Also I'm not a fan of being literally forced to buy one of the four mythic items or bleeding out on stats and that's the part that made me disgusted by season 11. The items are cool I'm a big fan of seeing stuff like galeforce added to the game, but the value on these (I mean kraken slayer feel like fullbuild 100% of the time) is too large and the mythic system is boring af, since you know damn well you are going to build one of those four items every single game. In my humble opinion item rework was a failure

[@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena]

The rune rework was a failure as well

[@fishsticxz]

i agree, i liked being able to build whatever items i wanted since now, especially as a support main, i'll always build either moonstone or locket first item and thats it. the mythics being introduced actually made build diversity worse and the game more boring to play. building anything else on the champs i play is basically inting

[@Delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol]

@@fishsticxz It's especially frustrating on tank supports, since locket is basically the only option you have because you don't wanna be pushing lane for your adc with literally any other tank mythic by just standing there when he's trying to freeze (assuming ur adc knows what freeze is)

[@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena]

@@fishsticxz yeah i hate being forced to have to rush a mythic or even having to build a mythic in order to not lose lane or the game

[@MrTalithan]

@@Delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol you know that the burn on the other tank mythics doesn't turn on until you initiate combat, right?

[@odo4321]

my only real problem with snowballing is that even when the game is over it can take the emery team 10 extra min to end the game. this does give them time to misplay and throw the game but i think it would be nice fro the game to end closer to the point of no return.

[@DavidVallner]

Also frustrating for the one not delusional person on the wrong side of a 43:17 game that has to spend ten more minutes staring at a grey screen and very ugly chat as his team feeds two more kills for every no vote on a /ff

[@millankumar9245]

"Anyone can buy control wards, but only control wards"... I think you meant "supports buy control wards" and "junglers use oracle lens while sitting in a control warded bush"

[@saki453]

I always check my post game stats on poroprofessor. Last game literally only me, and the enemy mid laner bought control wards. I'm convinced outside of the bot lane people don't use wards in low elo.

[@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena]

@@saki453 most people in NA low elo are chill af at least in bronze from my experience. And i am convinced that they are just playing to have fun as i have played against people in Bronze who you would think they are plat but they are hardstuck 600 games bronze which is weird as they have good mechanics. So either they don't have actual game knowledge or they are just playing to have fun and i am willing to bet on the latter

[@ChronicTHX]

@@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena Some people just don't want or have mental energy to hardly focus. I play soloqueue because its solo and not one + premades against one + premades, and I just pick the champ I want to play in the role i find more convinient to him, even if its not my best champ or he is gonna get wrecked in lane because first pick or shit like that. It actualy hurts a lo of soloq players but not everyone plays to climb highest possible. i'm happy if i get free skin each season with my shit champs and shit build (like kraken slayer ashe with no peel against assassins xD )

[@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena]

@@ChronicTHX i am tempted to say fuck it in solo q and just pick troll looking stuff to climb with especially with the new champ riot is coming out with looking broken as fuck with a revive on a basic ability.

[@ChronicTHX]

@@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena My poor Ashe doesnt stand a chance against a decent player with a samira/yone/viego/gwen

[@theinsanityarc]

I love it how lots of content creators including Vars talk a lot about League's problems and Riot is just like: "i gonna ignore that"

[@akalaiderxd9686]

Snowballing is a really big issue that just makes the rest of game meaningless. Let's just make laning faze the game and now I don't have to waste 10 more minutes of my life

[@Justme-ip3wc]

I hate it how small things like Scuttle Crab can lose you a game before it even starts.

[@ronthehuman3618]

I don't think that snowball is inherently the problem, it's just one way to approach leads in a game There can be positive feedback loops (snowball), where its easier for the leading player to get a lead, negative feedback loops (comeback mechanics) , where its easier for the losing player to get leads, and no feedback loops at all. Many sports have no feedback loops, as at the end of every score everyone returns to the same starting position (though maybe there is still a bit of snowball throughout rounds, but that's debatable) Mario Cart has comeback mechanics, as losing players get better powerups FPS games without respawns like csgo or valorant have snowball, as every kill leaves the other team at a permanent man disadvatage what's different between shooters and league is, that in shooters if the snowball has gone out of control, the rounds are quick and you can try again easily. In league, getting on the losing side of the snowball means that for the next 10-20 minutes you will be fighting a losing battle. Not an unwinnable one, but a less enjoyable, and unless you are willing to surrender or int, it will take a while until you have the chance to try again. In legaue there is also another issue, where not all players can effect the snowball equally (assasins vs scaling adcs). This layers on with the difference in agency and makes the problem of some champions feeling broken and some useless even worse.

[@minutenreis]

I disagree on the competetive shooter; Rainbow Six has no overlap between rounds, CS:GO and Valorant only have a bit of money, which is inherently capped so there is a equalizer; yeah, within a round there is much "snowball", but treat every round like a fight in league of legends, not the whole game

[@construct8295]

@@minutenreis chief if you lose round 1 in val you basically also lose round 2, and if u manage to lose round 3, because if the enemy doesn’t buy up then you’re at a very small advantage. if you manage to lose that round you can basically say goodbye to the half

[@DRUKENHOBO]

@@construct8295 ahh but you see they thought of that and the lead will be reset on the half, if you snowball in valorant then you can only do so for 1/2 the match just think if in lol at the 15 min mark everyone is reset to even cuz thats what happens in valorant

[@avroskroksthestarfish4495]

Snowballing in CS GO is no where near as bad as in league. There is something called losing bonus that gives the losing team more money each time they loose a consecutive round, this makes comebacks easier.

[@mohamedyasser3771]

Snowball needs a nerf early game meta is one of the most toxic metas in lol history its unbalanced nothing is balanced as you said you need 1 death and you wont be able to match your opponent and your jg is in disadvantage on the other side 1 death to jg means its gg down in exp gold objectives and pressure there is no skill in the game rn all new champs are broken and smash old one you need to play perfect to be able to achieve what an average player do with new champion its not balanced anymore no such thing like all champs are good when they are fed 1/8 yone can still 1 shot enemy carries imp Early game meta makes good player look so bad you need to be a robot wave management everygame dont die wanna kills play sylas or any new champ and do that over and over again ask asol mains this season how do they feel .

[@EddyConejo]

not a single comma

[@765craven4]

@@EddyConejo Or period until the very end.

[@checkthebush6500]

Its Mostly the cancerous balancing i remember Playing shen against kayle,I earned firstblood and gets an item and a level disadvantage,even spell advantage because he wasted flash, yet he somehow beated me while im level 3 (hes level 2) and i have ignite used mid fight

[@baptistecochennec5956]

@@checkthebush6500 to lose against a kayle with all that advantage u obviously take a very bad trade

[@checkthebush6500]

@@baptistecochennec5956 i mean i waited her waste her slow+ Armor break skill i even have minion advantage and near our turret,I didnt played badly so I didn't understand how He Came on top

[@Marcozzz8]

I need to disagree, the game is not snowbally, it's snow avalanchy

[@bloodravenn8305]

Nerf the scuttle crab, so many games are decided over the first scurtle skirmich where a Kata or a Yone gets triple kill, also nerf plates gold.

[@oneofthe12sionmains70]

If they nerf plating gold that buffs kat who's broken enough to give up the plates for roams

[@DRUKENHOBO]

@@oneofthe12sionmains70 maybe you should follow the roam to counter it or shove you lane to take first tower (even if plates are nerfed they will still provide) or even roam to the top or invade the enemy. far to often the mid laner acts like sitting in lane and slow pushing will win even if the enemy mid hasnt come home to lane in over 5 min because they are perma roaming.

[@Omegeddon]

@@oneofthe12sionmains70 "broken enough to give up plates for roams" lmaowut. If you know anything about laning against Kat she has no chance of ever getting plates unless jg drop rift mid for her

[@catfood4142]

it is due to multiple reasons but Id say that the biggest is how well modern assassins actually scale, spike, and how well they can actually do in a teamfight, they are all loaded with teamfight AOE burst or CC or both now days. Where the other 70% of the class are often threaten by assassins, Ive seen countless int plays by them yet another random skirmish, they come back with blood and gold.

[@ngunguyen4586]

yes!!!!!!!

[@emanuelecresci955]

My sadass started crying when he showed taliyah as a mid laner :')

[@nicklassoko4161]

Hey Vars, I really enjoy your videos and your Knowledge about the game and Effects of Champs, Classes to the game. I would love to see your Opinion on Onetrick Ponys and how it affects the game cause as for me i think they are a Two side sharpened blade (i dont know how to say it in english) as they „only live for one champion“ but on the other hand learning so much from how this champion effects the game about what counters them and why

[@flameofmage1099]

Do you mean a "Double Edged Sword"?

[@nicklassoko4161]

@@flameofmage1099 Yes thats what i mean im from germany and didnt knew the english word for that

[@christiangabaldon6822]

I miss the days when we could have 60 minute games.

[@user-mf8nu5qe5f]

Hell no. I can t stand 20 minutes with my teammates

[@ruben-king8320]

@@user-mf8nu5qe5f LMAO LITERALLY

[@inigo137]

Wtf are you talking about? Being trapped in a game with a bunch of monkeys from which you can't escape from despise being doomed for 25 mins cause 2 of them refuse to ff? That was hell.

[@David-lc5ui]

Yeah it's more intense, yeah mid game, early game you'll get bombarded in the chat, but when you win that one teamfight/skirmish everybody collectively shut up and can basically telepathically communicate with pings and simple words, you win it's euphoric, you lose it's hell and you bitch at the post game chat or say ggwp nc game

[@harryrose9961]

Now if the mid laner knows he won't carry its "ff ff cmon ff at 15"

[@martinrodriguez1329]

Honestly, if you have what it takes to hold on your feet and focus on the match, you can prevent snowballing from hitting you hard. It might only be me but I'm always trying to win if there's still a chance and I try my best to encourage my teammates to do so as well. I re- started to play seriously trying to climb and I had one of the best win streaks so far, more than 90% winrate in 10+ games. A lot of them where really hard to win because noone won lane so this snowball effect starts to appear, but although in some cases we had 10k gold less than the other team, making right decisions and knowing where to be at the right moment was more than enough to overpass that disadvantage. The more videos I see from LoL the more it seems that people forget this is a 5vs5 pvp game, so you don't have to get mad if you lose your lane, later on you will join your team to fight objectives all as one, and the results of the lane phase will consolidate the strategy you have to follow as a team in order to win. Coming back from albion makes me wonder why solo queue is the most famous mode when flex should be the one, since it lets you queue with 4 known persons that you communicate with, which makes you be more competitive.

[@ahriplays9436]

I always hang on for atleast a little longer, comebacks do happen but probably cuz we are all so bad and make mistakes haha

[@tilinh389]

Nahh i just need to hit my 0/10 power point

[@xxx10353]

That is only possible in low Elo the higher the Elo the more dire the snowballing is but if you are playing for fun and hate to give up the community will disappoint you they spam ff at the pettiest reasons and even if there is no reason as soon as anyone decides to start the FF vote they all say yes quit disappointing honestly.

[@martinrodriguez1329]

​@@xxx10353 Well, knowing that less than 10% of players are in plat+, I wouldn't consider myself low elo per say, and yes I do play for fun, that's mostly the idea, and although I know how people are, I rarely encounter people so pissed off that wants to ff as quickly as possible, normally I can sort of talk that out and agreed to keep playing the game until is over, whether he's mad or not .

[@SnackerWolf]

I think you just forgot the number one reason why snowballing is that huge nowadays : player experience and average skill at every elo is much higher than before. Now people knows how to snowball, and how to end a game, unlike like in S4/S5, where you could face an ennemy team who can be extra feed, but will not know how it ends it fast enough before people will likely doing shit or the ennemy team finding their way out up to late game.

[@ourdestiny_]

you're saying this but a lot of people dont know how to end a game they just farm and farm and farm till its too late and the lead is over

[@GattlingCombo]

I recall years ago, high elo players complaining that you could comeback too easily and that early concequences didnt matter enough? So......ugh the playerbase is so fucking confusing and flippfloppy lol. But I agree, the snowball is what ruins the game. Ive had people compliment me for having a very safe playstyle, but i get shit on at the same time for "not being agressive enough" or not roaming after enemy yone or kat who is missing 5 minutes in.

[@jcuadra4988]

The player base wants a balanced game. If the game is too forgiven or too punishing, some complaints are expected. Season 10 and 11 got some nice ideas. However, in these couple of seasons, one little mistake in the early game could cost the game. I could understand that in high elo, but if in low elo happens the same? Maybe something is out of hand.

[@melonhead8052]

I feel like there’s a balance of yes if u get a penta at 5 by an godlike outplay u should be able to win but just a level 1 cheese gank from a shack or some stealthy prick shouldn’t decide game if that’s how they wanna make the game fr should be available at 10 mins

[@johgekpoint6299]

It is phenomenon that many people want what they don't have.

[@Recker1125]

There is one game i played. Which. Targets this snowballing problem super duper well. Company of heroes 2. A strategy game. That requires alot of micro. Basically a guy can be wiping out the other guy so hard. But the other guy can comeback because if his army is alot less than the first guy. He will be getting alot more manpower rate. But. Since the first guy isnot losing squads. They become veteran. Which means they are harder to deal with. It is just. Balanced

[@Pøssessïve-B]

nice to see you doing so well after you swapped content from realm :)i remember watching some of your stuff forever ago when i still played rotmg had no idea you'd branched into league so here i am again

[@VarsVerum]

Welcome back!

[@MrCleks]

This is the problem that DotA 2 was and still is trying to balance with multiple comeback systems (like compensating gold, reliable gold pool, buybacks, etc), especially with creep denying. It turns the game not into a race into a snowball but more or less a tug of war during early game. Dunno if I am making any sense, but that's the difference I feel about the snowballing problem between LoL and DotA 2. LoL feels like mistakes are unforgiving, while DotA 2 feels like you can still be able to crawl back with one or two very good plays down the line.

[@DRUKENHOBO]

dota 2 you can coordinate a team buyback and stop a push to end in lol you just watch it happen in grey screen.

[@vedaliessonmostepicfailsin5171]

Huh? So in dota if you make a mistake like getting dived level 3 with a massive crahsed on your tower and its not gg?

[@MrCleks]

@@vedaliessonmostepicfailsin5171 There is a big mechanic called "buyback", in which you can pay a hefty sum of gold to immediately respawn from base. The cost is calculated depending on your current level, current "net worth" (how much total worth of gold you are currently possessing, items included), and how far ahead your team is (both above but for the entire team). Usually the cost for buyback is around half of your next full item, and it has a very long cooldown you almost never see the 2nd buyback on the same player in the same game. And whether your buyback's cooldown is available is public knowledge so the enemy team can play around, especially against carries. Also, the teleportation system works differently in DotA 2 as well. You have to use a consumable teleportation scroll to teleport to any friendly structure / outpost on the map, which costs you a small amount of money and has about a minute for cooldown. So it's like you can go both ways, back to base and forth from base, but it's more vulnerable to cc and you only has one chance to do it so often so better make it counts. Early game it's mostly for getting back into the lane asap after death so you wouldn't lose that much tempo even when you make mistakes. A lot of other mechanics are there to make sure you can optimize your uptime while laning too (being able to buy items while away with couriers, being able to control creep waves through jungle pulling, being able to deny creeps, etc), in which most of them were removed from LoL during its inception to stand out from DotA 1 way back when to simplify it down for wider appeal.

[@TimZoet]

To be fair, if snowballing wasn't a thing there would be no reward in winning lane. What's the point of killing the enemy laner, outfarming him or roaming if you wouldn't snowball out of it?

[@NullExotic]

It's the fact that's theirs so many Mechanic's to further it that don't require skill to utilize your lead like getting a drag and they just can't fight you it's not like getting 1 kill and then using that to get a item lead you use to zone off waves you can do that and still get 4drags and rifts even if other lanes are equal it can often make it impossible to play against aswell as he mentioned visions hard to obtain supports can't cover important places consistently unless their warding at a diamond level plus there's just loads of things making it too strong atm

[@dreh4998]

0/2 katarina goes bot, gets 2 kills, game is already lost

[@Top_Nep]

4:10 i miss bandit, as a support player im still not used to not seeing 1 gold above each minion

[@benthebloon9588]

At least they added anathemas that can shut down a carrying opponent

[@maxusgamer8515]

Or the carry opponent build anathema and shutdown you, his only threat.

[@joekenwood4956]

Or they just ignore you since chains cant block true damage ahem sett ahem camille ahem fiora

[@vesae2676]

A big part of the problem is champs that have 100 to 0 potential on you in the early game. If you die once you can't farm effectively anymore because they can just jump on you and you lose every time. It would be better if you had a chance of slowly conceding farm while getting chipped but not completely having to give up gold, exp and lane priority.

[@cooperknight1302]

As recently as two days ago, the rando in my group insta locked Yasuo mid. Got first blood and two kills after, fully threw his lead away to Lee Sin mid, and continued to feed Lee Sin. Enemy Yuumi hopped on Lee. Unkillable goredrinker/sterak’s/Yuumi battery by 20 minutes. Extremely fun gameplay. /s

[@infinitydesu]

I always find Lee Sin to be too tanky but still deal too much damage even if he's not fed.

[@Supertoddy96]

people literally dont realize that snowballing is a part of the game that is reflective of someones skill, outside a few situations. Snowballing is supposed to be strong and out of control otherwise you have no reason to play an early game champ and should always scale no matter what without question

[@labranehit7687]

I agree but this is out of control at the moment. Mid lane is looking like old top lane (snowbally wise). And top lane.... well, as a jungler lets say you better make sure he gets the first kill because otherwise things a going to get complicated.

[@emotional_st0rm]

sure snowballing is important to have, but it doesn't reflect the entire skillset needed to have a balanced game in the current meta there is no reason to play scalers because the early game is so crucial sure you should be able to get ahead early, but when all games are decided by 15 minutes that does not show a true reflection of skill since it only encapsulates skills required early game and not late game

[@Supertoddy96]

@@emotional_st0rm Champs that scale still present a menace, like a late game Viktor, and yes getting ahead where you can't be stopped at 15 min or later does show skill at league because you know your limits and macro to end, and macro isn't skill its knowledge based and again if you're ahead and deny everything from your direct opponent early there is no mud to late for them without extreme circumstances

[@Supertoddy96]

@@labranehit7687 top lane is actually out of control compared to anything snowballing

[@ChromaticCluck]

I genuinely hate not being able to vision control when behind. Im shit at warding in general (getting better) but when my team is behind I just cannot have enough vision to safely do shit. Imo u shouldnt be forced to always place perfect wards with perfect timing. I should be able to put wards in the jungle that either have a longer duration or that I can replace when it dies. Because even when there is more than 1 person warding in the game the map is usually 90% fog.

[@X33Ultras0und]

Dying in the late game is about 45 to 60 seconds + 5 to 20 seconds depending on how much towers you have left. Dying in the early game 5 to 20 seconds + 15 to 35 seconds walking all the way back to lane especially since in the early game you don't have boots yet, and even if you do, the homeguard movement speed is weaker and doesn't last as long as the one after 20 minutes. The early game home guard o ly lasts till your inhibitor towers. While the late game home guard lasts till your inner towers (if you don't attack anything or tp)

[@aaronlatapi2272]

I love your videos man! After watching them i feel i have a deeper understanding of league and i play better. Keep it up :)

[@VarsVerum]

Happy to be of service!

[@felixl.7687]

Thanks for the video! I think you've got the cause and effect of the baron statistics backwards. It doesn't mean that the team wins the game by 80% only by getting the baron, but that the team that manages to get the baron is already so strong that it wins the game by 80%.

[@davidurban528]

I don't mind the items being cheap, I mind them being strong. Every champion has a 2 item powerspike nowadays, instead of the casual 3 or 4 item spike. Gold generation was increased for the items with less worth, but wasn't adjusted when the items were wildly increased in value

[@ninjaman0003]

i do feel that the game is way too short to really enjoy it. i used to be able to get 3 or 4 completed items and be around 16 when a game ended. and close games could last over an hour. so many people have a defeatist attitude of not even wanting to try that i just don't play lol anymore unless i get a really strong craving.

[@parsley3215]

It's interesting how some traditionally late game champions got their spikes sooner and how some got their spike time shortened. For example kog'maw is now online at kraken+boots+ huge maybe AS component, Veigar is online at two items plus boots, Kayle feels like she's online at one item plus boots while being the memed level 16 champion, at the same time Nasus spikes at sheen item, just like last season,but now your powerspike last shorter, till maybe three items. Likewise, Sion is unbelievably powerful at boots+mythic + bramble if you're a douchebag, but now you don't really have the lategame tankiness. See a pattern? I do. Range.

[@DanelUbedaPortugues]

Good video, I hope this reaches more people so they can see the real problem with lol, you have used all the points that I have been saying for years (2018-2021) about why lol is more toxic and frustrating. although i think the real problem started with the switch to adc items in the middle of the season, they made them useless, and nothing was done until the following year.

[@DaydreamHoneybee]

The rise of snowballing has created another side effect for players like me: offmeta picks became much more unviable. At least weak early game offmeta picks.

[@dangerousshoes]

Yeah, man. A game which already frowned upon off meta picks pretty significantly, has now made them nigh unplayable.

[@Awesomeness785]

Me, calmly farming as Veigar bot because I know my team will feed so I play as the safety net: 👀

[@Mirro18]

I think one thing that partially is underestimated is that people got a lot better at playing the game too. Like I remember an interview a few years back with Krepo when they talked about the M5 vs CLG.EU game that lasted forever where Froggen Anivia basically stalled the game into infinity. And while certainly there were tools introduced into the game for you to actually break that stall nowadays, if you look at how they played, strategically those teams made a lot of mistakes (of ommission mostly) at how they did not manage to close out the game or dive them. And I think that is true nowadays. Like look how many people know nowadays how to freeze a lane (at least in theory) and how many people have the basics of jungle routing down.

[@GigaLigma]

I've played since season 2 and yeah, snowballing has gotten so out of hand since then and it REALLY makes the game a whole lot less pleasant to play. Everything feels so much less in the control of an individual because there are so many factors that can snowball entirely out of your control around you, and this really does frustrate people to the point of increasing overall toxicity. It makes sense if you think about it; of course a faster and more punishing game pace would result in people being constantly on-edge, and with how hopeless some matches can be even if you play the best you possibly could have, it's not hard to see why more people would ragequit.

[@CLxJames]

4:09 - “back in the old days, all runes did…” *proceeds to show runes after original rework* Anyone else remember buying Tier 1-3 runes?

[@yellowtrickster69]

you mentioned how an entire team could take baron at 20 minutes, but at the start of s11 ONE champion could do it by themself...

[@xniyana9956]

Viego can solo Baron with Kraken + Blade of the Ruined King which he can get by around 17 minutes if he has 2 to 3 kills and 7+ CS/min. I've done this quite often.

[@yellowtrickster69]

@@xniyana9956 oh so more than one champion could (can) solo baron

[@xniyana9956]

@@yellowtrickster69 Viego is the only champion I know that can do it with only two items.

[@yellowtrickster69]

@@xniyana9956 I was thinking of preseason amumu with his sunfire aegis

[@xniyana9956]

@@yellowtrickster69 Didn't know about that one.

[@chowderr8740]

To quote my 0/7/2 Yasou: "Team diff"

[@epidjxd8704]

As much fun it is to go ahead and stomp an entire team because you got the ball rolling early snowballing is bad for the game in my opinion. A friend and i had a discussion about this topic a while ago, and what league is missing if we compare it to a lot of competitive Games or Sports is a reset. If we look at Soccer or Basket ball or whatnot whenever a goal is scored all players reset to the middle, even with a slight advantage to the person that got scored on (as they usually get the kickoff) While in league whenever the enemy "Scores" a dragon or a kill it just spirals further and further. Imagine Soccer but everytime a Team scores a Goal, the enemy loses 1 Player on the field. That would be a horrible game. And even if we leave sports and look at other games. Yes in Valorant or CS:GO you do get a benefit of having more money to buy guns but generally you do not auto lose because of this. Also Positions and Health are Reset. even if the chance is lowered you can take down an AWP with a cheap shotgun if you move smartly. But in league there is no chance in hell that you are able to take down the lvl 16 10/1 Yasuo with an 1 item 2/7 Garen. In the end by being ahead you dont have to play as good anymore. At a certain Point you just win becasue you are fed. Not because u applied that feed and played correctly around it. Im saying this quite often but reduce the impact of kills and distribute the stats over time (less killgold, more gold over time) or something like that. You would still have the same dynamics, some champions want to finish the game early, some want to hold out till late game and so on. But you wouldnt feel bad because you died once and now you have to wait 20 minutes and pray your team votes yes. just imagine: you did ok on your lane, finished laningphase 3/1 but then you check score and see that the enemy Katarina in midlane scored 9 kills because your midlane was trying out a new champ or what and now you can just ff anyways because she can shred the entire team in 0,5 seconds while having more hp than anyone cane reasonably deal in that time. It just feels bad that you lose games because of something you have no controll over. As an ADC you can not reasonably help your struggling toplaner. But the fact that you did well is completely nullified by the enemy Akali being 8/0 now and wrecking house. It not only that you are down a Teammate that probably doesnt play too well you are now ALSO behind because one enemy is an insane damage Powerhouse. You get punished twice, for something you have no controll over. Or vice versa you get carried twice for the same effort if that akali is on your team. TL:DR You should win because you play better. Not because you played better 15 minutes ago and now can play objectivly worse and still win. PS: Bounties do not help either. Just picture your Sona on botlane "secured" 5 kills, that made her 1500 gold. But now shes worth a shutdown of 600 bonus gold. Now the enemys 12/0 Yi comes along. He has to put in almost no effort to kill her, AND he STILL gets the ENTIRE shutdowngold even though he is in NO need for any aditional gold. Plus the 900 he makes from that kill are worth MORE on him than 1500 on sona ever could be. all that while the enemy that lost to sona is still starving for gold. But that doesnt matter as Yi can at that point solocarry the entire game. Noone is having a good time here. Except for one person: Yi.

[@Betroid]

snowballing is why the toxicity of this game has increased especially if it wasnt u who was killed thats why toxicity is out of control cuz 1 idiots mistakes means gg for everyone else

[@littlecat1727]

I remember a time back in the old league where, me, my friend and a random dude clutched a 3 v 5 game, because the other 2 quit in the mid game. I miss those times

[@user-md8ef6un6x]

“Quote from Nunu”

[@MahNbba]

Last week G2 lost a game where they were 10k gold ahead bcs the enemy team got eleder drake... idk about you guys but i feel like geting 1 objective should not win you a game where you are 10 k down, just a thought

[@nanaki1990blox]

I'm new to League. I witnessed a fed botlane snowball into toplane and eventually the match, all out of my control x.x

[@guydunn8259]

This game has gone downhill so fast, almost like a snowball effect.

[@chiidybang370]

Hmmm... For me its still a very good game. The issues i have are tooo much dmg and mobility. 30% lowered dmg and less mobility would be great. Also bring back mages mid...we have an assassin meta since hmmmm 4. years?

[@guydunn8259]

@@chiidybang370 If were any other game someone would call you out for asking for A LOT. You're not asking for simple changes. Asking Riot to overhaul, or revert the changes made doesn't seem like it good faith foresight. All that's going to do is create a power vacuum as it always does when Riot "balances" the game.

[@Maddox_Clayne]

The rune of the "old days" lol i remember having to spend what is now BE on runes. Gold/sec quints ftw

[@ngunguyen4586]

yeah the new system is stupid. I really miss the old days

[@crimsonhead100]

Who ever came up with the idea of turret plate gold was on something

[@TheMakuboy]

A few minor corrections 1. Vlad either wants to instant kill or instant kill. AFIK, phase rush is just used for escaping or catching survivors of his initial combo. 2. Supports actually have less gold late game. Its roughly ~500g less around the 35-40 minute mark.

[@SevenSinshu]

Snowball in my opinion completely removes the point of certain roles like tanks and adcs, as it takes way to long for u to come online in the games current early game meta

[@baptistecochennec5956]

Tanks are not viable bc new items shred teem but adc are super viable bc if an assassin snowball you need to be careful but it's normal but if an adc snowball he can 1v9 easy

[@SevenSinshu]

@@baptistecochennec5956 but an adc can still be shut down by that behind assassin and its harder for an adc to pull stuff off at times

[@SevenSinshu]

@@baptistecochennec5956 and katarina is 1vs9 easy with leads

[@baptistecochennec5956]

@@SevenSinshu u never played an adc with leads or... It's a carnage u just right-click and bam everyone is dead

[@baptistecochennec5956]

@@SevenSinshu and yeah bc the difficult part with kata is to be fed

[@neodymus]

As if i ever liked snowballing. It feels you're not allowed to play after making 2 mistakes. As you said it makes people giving up and it's really frustrating too. It also encourage to play early game champs.

[@Aaron-bj3wt]

it could be because I don't play ranked that often, but I feel like the game hasn't changed all that much from when I started last season. and it could also be because last season was just as bad with snowballing, but my games in norms are still around 30-40 minutes. with the occasional 20 min ff on either side

[@flameofmage1099]

I just finished eating your ARAM King of the Hill birthday stream. I can't believe you're name is Jin. Also" 450th

[@topraktemir891]

You’re a mage in mid with 4 kills. suddenly enemy katarina gets her first two kills from your bot lane and after that point there’s nothing you can do to not get oneshot. Totally reasonable

[@fashionsuckman4652]

Zhonyas. Then die to one of her basic abilities right as it ends

[@natesaintjacques1074]

There's nothing wrong with that tbh. One item in most cases is all they need to start beating you in the 1v1 since their class excels at dealing the most dps in the smallest possible time frame.

[@apollyon1311]

@@natesaintjacques1074 with less punishment of dying early...

[@lrogan4634]

I'd like to notify Vars that the LPL actually has a pretty decent amount of fighting early on, and it's much more exciting to watch than any other league imo

[@johgekpoint6299]

I think that this is because china as a region is very aggressive. I didn't watch LPL but i have heard people that said that they fight all the time in the LPL.

[@buggybaguette5916]

Lec is fun to watch to Only lck and lcs are boring imo

[@SnowyValk]

I would to see you do a series where you cover metas that broke games like overwatch with goats league tank meta ect. and you could cover why this meta happened and what your salution for it will be

[@WizardKingSolo]

Why no one plays Veigar Day 102 :)

[@Awesomeness785]

Me, a Veigar bot laner, would like to talk with you

[@dangerousshoes]

I see so much Veigar bot it isn't even funny.

[@Awesomeness785]

@@dangerousshoes because it's OP af

[@dangerousshoes]

It's definitely obnoxious, yeah

[@Awesomeness785]

@@dangerousshoes OP

[@mimichelle12]

This thumbnail is a piece of art I love your videos btw 🥰

[@bluebilberry]

A solid argument as usual, Vars. But I should point out one flaw in your support position. Let's use MSI 2021 as an example. If you look at most of the support builds during that tournament, then you would note that the snowballing is so bad that, cheap or not, most supports were able to complete only one major item before their respective games ended. For instance, in DWG v. RNG Game 5, Ming was only able to complete a Locket while Beryl was only able to complete a Shurelya's. In comparison, in that game, the DWG carries (Wei, XiaoHu and Cryin) were able to have 3 completed items; the RNG carries (Ghost, Showmaker and Canyon) had 3 or nearly 3 completed items. For the most part, supports since the item rework have not been helped by the extra gold kicking around in the early stages of the game.

[@tender0828]

Yeah I also hate it when I lose the game 3 minutes in just because I didn't get first touch on the minion wave and now I'm stuck playing out a losing game for the next 15 or so minutes

[@thelastfloss1912]

I personally think snowballing is more a result of people's weak mentals. As soon as they make a mistake and get 1 death that start tilting and playing badly, allowing the enemy to get more of an advantage

[@DefinitelyNotReal627]

Now wait just a minute. You can only flash 5 times in the average game?

[@9forMortalMen]

Mid laner: shows taliyah. Where are you seeing tali mid?

[@johgekpoint6299]

In 2017 lol

[@xniyana9956]

I've been saying this for like 2 or 3 years. Why did it take so long for people to start recognizing that this is a problem? I remember season 5 where you could be literally 3-12 at 10 minutes and as the losing team, you could still put up a fight. Such a game was still even and far from decided. Today, a scoreline of 3-12 means the game is literally over. 95% of the time you play this out in season 11, all you get is the losing team just dying over and over again until the winning team ends the game 20 minutes later.

[@yoanignatov7610]

I always have the mentality that you always have a chance to pull of a comeback. As a dota2 player once said: "One bad fight late game is all it takes to lose a game" Kinda old school view but hey it helps :D