Leagues 5 Raging Reveals #8 - Overgrown

[@ReDempTedSpider]

“Don’t lie to yourself! You’re not going to be doing your farming runs. You’re not going to be doing your bird house runs” Damn I feel called out 😂

[@DaveS615]

They should add bird houses to the Overgrown relic

[@hogmantheintruder2199]

Dude, that would actually make it a tough choice for that tier.

[@UIM_Moose]

@@DaveS615 That would be mental honestly lol

[@mikenelson6939]

Ngl, I thought farming relic was a tad weak. Birdhouses on top would be PEAK!!! ❤

[@g.waits4gainz205]

10000% if they could figure it out cause that would atleast hlep make it a bit more appealing

[@ForLegalReasonsThisIsAJoke1]

Giga

[@Groobles64]

I love Doubleshine’s value of fun > power

[@CHOP181095]

I mean his name is double shine not double rain :P sorry i find the door

[@A_Windmill]

"Don't lie to yourself, you're not going to do your farm runs" You might be right, but that doesn't mean I have to like it.

[@hannibal-rb3go]

I came from doing 99 farming on rs3 to old school. So I've been in the mindset of doing the farming runs for 2 years now. So yes I will most people won't lol. That said it's better than the prayers and spells, we'll see what the third relic is. That said planning on Zeah, so probably won't even need.

[@razorednight]

I was a big fan of last league's farming relic, but this year's farming relic cannot compete with unlocking all the spell books!

[@TokinJoe]

Not only all the spellbooks but piety, rigour and augury. Can have the best offensive prayers without their regions. Essential for pvm and raids

[@The_Azure_]

Eh, anyone who takes just Zeah already halves the usefulness of Grimoire. If the third option is Ruinous Prayers, barely anyone will pick grimoire.

[@TheReddaredevil223]

@@The_Azure_ Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong

[@UnkemptSoldier]

@@The_Azure_ The third option isn't gonna be Ruinous Prayers if Grimoire gives prayers...

[@The_Azure_]

@@UnkemptSoldier It's entirely possible. Ruinous Prayers are better prayers, meanwhile Grimoire gives spellbooks and thralls. Unlikely perhaps, but possible.

[@RitzStarr]

I loved last league's farming relic. It was easily my favourite. It was so much fun insta-growing stuff. This one ain't bad and is probably overall less effort but it doesn't sound as fun overall.

[@newdad280]

its honestly much weaker. 1. does not speed up farming 2. does not increase yields 3. does not harvest and replant when offline 4. still requires seeds overall you might spend less time farming but itll be much, much longer to get 99 or 200m farming. like wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy longer.

[@askevisholm1933]

@@newdad280 and getting that 99 or 200m xp will feel so much worse, as you have traded a relic for this slow progress... That said, last years relic was probably a bit too op.. but the general mindset of less yield across all relics are such a bad vibe. :/

[@UnknownVir]

​@@askevisholm1933we still need to see what the passive bonus is, if you watch the video, it only shows multiples of 2 and shows double the max for limpwurts as well as double the minimum very likely we have a passive bonus to farming for everyone which actually makes this stronger

[@askevisholm1933]

@@UnknownVir that is true, maybe there is Hope for it still. :D

[@Tetheta]

I agree with your assessment about emergent gameplay and spreading out the dopamine. Better for leagues overall

[@CameronLoertscher]

I feel like they had said we wouldn't see combat relics vs skilling relics so this tier feels kind of bad.

[@kielzor195]

calling grimoire a combat relic is a stretch cause you get access to veng/ancients and piety

[@arristheround9246]

​@kielzor195 how is it a stretch when almost anyone going Mage is going to be looking at it specifically for the spellbook swaps? Sure overall it's generally Magic themed but Magic in and of itself is inherently tied to combat

[@CAndreaL]

I absolutely hear what you’re saying, but I like the “checking off 99 farming in an hour” because I don’t find it fun doing farm runs in leagues lol so fun for me is getting that skill over with as fast as possible!!!

[@tuxedogaming1887]

I think Equilibrium is the 3rd or something similar because this matches the pattern to last leagues T6 relics.

[@currentcommerce4774]

equilibrium dead in the water if its up against the same choices AGAIN

[@beserkmaster]

Maybe the slayer relic is in this tier?

[@Nuvizzle]

Surely they're replacing equilibrium this year. It's always been super unpopular even when they make it mathematically really strong. Feels like people just don't want a relic that 'boring' no matter how good it is, which seems like a lesson they've learned well this league - all the relics so far are pretty interesting, nothing feels like a generic "you do things a bit faster with no additional interactivity. Well, except the tier 1 relics, but those are always pretty basic by design.

[@kbvt]

My current plan is D/F/Z with range (assuming we are locked to one style again), so the Grimoire does almost nothing for me (already have access to all spellbooks + rigour). This would be an easy Overgrown pick but interested to see what the third relic is.

[@dysae4484]

Based on the available options, I'd pick grimoire no hesitation. All this does is smooth out the farming curve that I'd eventually go through anyways.

[@jamesdsmith1217]

and with boosted xp farming isnt that bad once you can plant some good trees, or just go zeah and do tithe for crazy xp

[@Hi1mR0B]

Same here. Also depending on your regions you might already have disease free patches

[@donkeymoo1581]

It's not even really a relic. Something this weak is something you would expect as a passive effect for reaching a new tier lol. "yooo I don't need to do a farm run now" vs 20-25% dmg increase prayers and every spellbook freeing up region choices by a massive amount like what is the competition here lol. Just hope they throw equilibrium in this tier again and we have the most free choice in the world

[@einjharrelraca]

​@jamesdsmith1217 i think its more for getting potions sorted early for bankers note people.

[@jamesdsmith1217]

@@einjharrelraca even so theres many ways to get ppots without farming them

[@wermuth2364]

Imagine getting a farming lvl mid echo sol heredit and dying 😂

[@doubleshine]

SO CURSED but will 100% happen

[@nerotox813]

Cant u disable low lvl level up popups in settings now?

[@mattyvrapsofficial]

@@nerotox813 you can disable the pop up delay

[@wermuth2364]

@@nerotox813 I think it is disable until 40 or 60 in leagues

[@kenshin1368]

@@nerotox813 You can disable all level up popups.

[@andrewmccracken9152]

Kourend echo boss is giving a lot of farming exp anyway right? Seems unneeded if you go Kourend.

[@SimpCatcher]

Echo Hespori doesn't give farming exp.

[@ilikewoodenclogs]

Echo hespori won't be giving farming xp. But you've got tithe,contracts, and many farm patches, so still less helpful in kourend than others

[@thegrichel2049]

For anyone interested in the math behind Overgrown’s increased “yield,” and how it compares with Farmer’s Fortune: TL;DR: Overgrown effective yield (per seed) is 4x Farmer’s Fortune effective yield (per seed) was 3.75x For Overgrown: Sum from n=0 to infinity 0.75^n: Results in 4 plants per seed/sapling, effectively multiplying yield by 4. Comparing with Farmer’s Fortune: Farmer’s Fortune had a 20% chance to save the seed, but multiplied yield by 3. So, sum from n=0 to infinity 0.2^n, then multiply result by 3 Results in 3.75x effective yield. Overgrown gives slightly higher yield (per seed) than Farmer’s Fortune, at the expense of training density, pet chance, and maintenance of one’s “Seed Vault.”

[@nickwebster6214]

Rip… beat me to 1st comment. Haha

[@bwpbwp9613]

You still had to use some of your time with farmers fortune too, but tithe farm was free. This does come with automatic ultracompost as well…cant remember if FF did something similar

[@doubleshine]

Thank you for the math! glad my initial guess wasn't too far off.

[@elijahkarpf826]

Quick trick when there's a perk that gives you a chance to save resources - you can do 1/(1-n) to find what the equivalent is, where n is the chance to save the resource. So for this, 1/(1-0.75)=1/0.25=4. Similarly, the chaos altar is 1/(1-0.5)=1/0.5=2. Makes it easier (at least for me) to quickly visualize what the impact is, without dealing with sigma notation. That said, the primary limiting factor is usually going to be time, not seeds, and having the farming relic give neither a boost to growing speed nor a boost to crop yield (when all previous relics have done both) seems like a massive nerf. With no offline benefits, this is just a way to skip doing farm runs, which seems like an odd choice to be paired against the grimoire.

[@thegrichel2049]

@@elijahkarpf826 Yes, someone made a similar note regarding my comment on the Golden god relic video. The 1/(1-x) is a useful shortcut for geometric series; I just like showing the full derivation for anyone who wants to make sense of the math. 100% agree with your last note about the time save. I have never had a problem with gathering seeds in Leagues, and the fact that the relic only works while online means that people who cannot play as many hours will lose out on a lot of the benefit of this relic, whereas Farmer’s Fortune gave one the ability to farm as much as they wanted, whenever they wanted. I’m with Doubleshine, in that I’m currently favoring Grimoire and Overgrown feels like a downgrade from FF, especially with my playstyle and current projected regions for Leagues V.

[@tazzako1854]

This sort of feels like trickster but for farming, I like it

[@SkulblakaFreohr]

I was really happy to see this one today because it required absolutely no thought for me, personally. Grimoire is just miles upon miles better for me.

[@jamiedennett]

can we use this farming one with tithe? because if no crop dies...then we could grab 10k seeds and fill EVERY patch and would it not just auto loot and replant?

[@Kaden270]

I really enjoy farming, would love to take advantage of this relic but if I enjoy farming.... why use it?

[@villanx1]

Unless something really pulls me towards going mage, I think I'm picking this over the grimoire. Like yeah, getting the big prayers for free is cool, but I hate farming runs in Leagues. Deleting a chore for me is a bigger QoL improvement than anything the book gives. I guess we still have the mystery of the 3rd relic that could change all of this.

[@erickj165]

I like the JJK reference in the intro lol.

[@juliangonzalez3749]

What was the reference?

[@polishspy3088]

Greatest relic in History vs greatest relic of today, replace relic with sorcerer​@@juliangonzalez3749

[@kenshin1368]

@@juliangonzalez3749 Pretty sure it wasn't intentional but its the 'greatest relic of history vs greatest relic of today' Sukuna vs Gojo.

[@doubleshine]

check day 3s thumbnail :)

[@Klatt95]

Your a hole fuckin vibe bro I love the videos new sub earned today of first video iv ever seen

[@RareAngelz]

I honestly think the power in this relic is passively planting and harvesting herbs for herblore.

[@marshallc6215]

And if you have varlamore, with the mixology buffs you don't really need that

[@flake8382]

Seems way underpowered.

[@MrNoxLD]

currently planning on ZDF range for my build so grimoire really doesn't have a ton of use for me as I will have access to all 4 spellbooks + rigour/augury; interested to see what might be competing with overgrown to draw my attention away

[@Ahrimas]

So before we get a mastery reveal: are we predicting style lock or no style lock this year? Im leaning towards no style lock atm 👀

[@prancinNOOB]

The old farm relic also gave you infinite duration pots. It was triple qol (farming, herblore, inventory). This one is double qol. against an even stronger combat relic than last time

[@jubjub772]

It says seed of the same type. So does would it like pick the highest level herb seed possible or would it repeat the same herb seed and if you don't have that specific herb seed plant nothing ?

[@MrMartinoo1]

Should i still go grimoire when i go ZDF? Got all styles anyway just canr switch

[@ber7129at]

Why are you my favorite leagues creator!

[@TimBosshard-yf6ws]

I wonder if this will work with potted saplings?

[@ThibChar]

Does this work at tithe? Can I just grab 10k seeds plant seeds in every patch and just afk?

[@Klatt95]

Maybe I missed it but do we loose the resources or do we get them all when we pick it?

[@Duclos42]

Im wondering if there will be a passive crop growth speed buff this year similar to xp/mini game points or something. If so I think that’ll make this relic quite a bit stronger, and help gathering resources for supplies stay up to pace with how fast we’ll be going through content. Just seems weird they’d scrap the overwhelmingly best part of the relic, and global buffs to growing speed would make auto harvest/plant really good. I without that eh…as a prior farmers fortune enjoyer it’s a tough sell

[@Alucitary]

I'm taking Zeah mage and definitely taking this over Grimoire. I'm fine passing on ancients since Nature's Reprisal will comfortably carry to Shadow. I feel bad for people going Grimoire/Banker's Note honestly. Going to be a shock coming from Bankers Note, Recall, and Farmer's Fortune last leagues. Also I wouldn't worry about farming contracts. Anything you can get from them you can get from Echo Hespori runs.

[@pallettown3358]

This farm relic is a big letdown for me. Not nearly as good as last leagues farm relic. this vs arcane grimoire is an easy choice for me

[@francisbalfour1243]

I personally think it's better, more patches per seed and less time dping the farming. When your not online just log in and out every hour or 2 on mobile and it'll redo all ur patches

[@thefatpakyak2826]

@@francisbalfour1243I liked planting all the herbs I needed within 20 min and lasting me the entire leagues

[@francisbalfour1243]

@@thefatpakyak2826 well, now you can spend no time planting all the seeds ypu dont need, still lasting the entire league and also giving you a huge chance at the farm pet

[@MrRraannddoo]

​@@francisbalfour1243no pet chance

[@jbillion]

Fwiw Mazhar(the guy always at the top of leagues leaderboards) says farming is better if you're competing for points just because it saves so much time.

[@rhynopotamus]

Do we know for sure that the autofarm feature continues when we're not online? That would be pretty wild

[@himomsf2]

Did they say farming will grow at normal game rate? Or does everyone have insta grow? If normal grow rate farming is gonna to suck to train

[@TrippyMAGA]

Would grimoire even matter if im going range for the 100 percent accuracy?

[@tousawa808]

Didn't previous leagues insta grow seeds?

[@--Dan-]

I kinda feel the opposite, that having more farming patches lowers the value of this relic. There's no way you're going to be able to upkeep all the seeds for that many patches. And if you only have a couple patches then you really benefit from keeping 100% uptime on growing in them, combined with them never dying is a pretty huge boost. If you're a ranger who's taking Zeah, or a mage that's taking Zeah and Desert, I think you can get away without the Grimoire, but with so much of league being combat focused a relic needs to be massively better to overcome a pseudo-combat boosting relic like Grimoire

[@JonTheGamerGuru]

My question is how will it work with Tithe Farm? Could you just bring in resources from Bankers note, let the tithe farm run in the background and skill there? Cause it says plants never die and are replanted-

[@ianmccurdy1223]

plants are only replanted if you have the seed in your seed vault. Since tithe farm seeds can't be stored in the vault they won't be replanted.

[@JonTheGamerGuru]

@ let me cope please I beg of yoy

[@SuperXdrake]

I agree what some people are saying, where grimoire is better because it gives you combat advantage, even though I thought they said something where combat vs utility relics weren't going to be a thing, but I personally really like this relic. Being me (an early newbie) I understand Piety is a must if I want to go through my melee build, but my main goals are to get god wars swords, (Hoping a pet), and to do ToB with my friend that got me into the game, so doing the farming stuff in the background for the long haul is better then getting prayers, so I think I'll get this and just go and get Piety the old fashioned way.

[@Nacht_Ritter]

The relics this year feel a lot less “right vs wrong” and more “active vs passive” which I love. If you have the time and consistency for farm runs, grimoire is easy pick. But if you don’t have a lot of time to play or only want to focus on the things you like, there seems to be relics in each tier that allow for passive activities to allow that. Really nice to see a blend of options for different play styles

[@Jacksin24]

Couldn’t agree more

[@lefkash]

remember that total recall snapshots your stats, you're never gonna need more than one dose of any stat boosting potion per commitment to an activity

[@thelordofhats]

It doesn’t snapshot boosted stats

[@Raymoclaus]

You can store saplings in the seed vault, so if they haven't mentioned it yet, my base assumption would be that you need to make saplings.

[@Blairrows]

I'm planning on taking my comfort regions (ZDF), so I'll have all four spellbooks and two of the three unlockable prayers anways, which makes the Grimoire relic less appealing. If the third relic on this tier isn't that appealing, I'll have an endless supply of seeds from Farming Guild contracts to feed into the Overgrown relic, which would be really cool-basically solving Farming and Herblore while giving me a near endless supply of potions.

[@austincavalier1760]

My general consensus: Farming relic good, still taking grimoire. Varlamore having mixology with boosted minigame points, high level potions will be practically free, and should only take like half a day or so to supply yourself for most if not all the league.

[@austinkehn8471]

At the moment I'm planning on Varlamore/Priff/Frem planning on the Grimore Relic that could of course change depending on the relics that come out. Overgrown casual gains sound comfy. If you're going for a casual style for the league I think it will be nice to have. If you are going for a high tier PvM plan to get the echoes items I don't think its the play.

[@SayYesToTheOSRS]

Tysm for taking a positive stance on all the new relics. Love the perspective! Bffr piety, rigour, augury, ancients, arceus l.

[@UnknownVir]

Hooti did confirm it uses tree seeds but does not provide roots. I'm definitely going Overgrown over Grimoire but if the third is a boosted equilibrium I'll do that instead. I for one know I /will/ do my farm runs, I'll only have a couple patches anyways.

[@vwabi]

I'm planning on Z + F ranged, so neither relic synergizes amazingly with those regions. If the third relic does synergize better I'll pick that, otherwise won't be mad at all picking Overgrown, just for removing the tedium of farming.

[@dereksvg2760]

I'm very excited for a full afk character to supplement my full on pvm character. This is turning into Melcor lol

[@xXpkedXx]

Everyone’s an Ironman though

[@aCookieOverdose]

Doubleshine is a JJK fan??

[@olpumpkin]

I love farming. Fav skill, so im definitely going overgrown, just to do it in a different way sounds really fun.

[@TheInsaneShaner]

Overgrown gives you more than just farming. You get Giant Seaweed for Crafting, especially if you Fremmy. You get a bunch of allotments for cooking XP. You obviously get Herbs for Herblore. I think if you're not melee and going Kourend then this is better than Grim imo.

[@Teeteeteeteetee-w4m]

Crafting is already banked via buying Uncut Gems from Gem Stalls, which not only gives you very quick xp but also turns a profit.

[@Robert-mx1io]

@@Teeteeteeteetee-w4mgem stalls were very annoying though. I couldn’t be bothered to keep doing it last year

[@Nuvizzle]

But that's all still farming

[@Hunter77567]

Keep in mind this doesnt gove secondarys. Snape grass seeds are rare outside zeah and red spider eggs are rare outside wild or kandarin. So you can have 10k ranners or snaps but they are useless without secondarys.

[@CAndreaL]

I hear you, and I raise you Mastering Mixology in Varlamore 😂

[@Hunter77567]

If i was going melee id probably take valamore sadly im going magic to help out the raid team. Only super restores ill get is from boss drops note them and save for nex. While using p pots for all other content.

[@jaydonloar6293]

Big fan of this relic, the passive xp is gonna feel so nice. I don’t need grimoire as I’m a mage going zeah so probably would take the farming one over it

[@arristheround9246]

Im gonna be real the moment they clarified no offline progress on growth killed the interest in this one specifically, not close enough to not take Grimoire since im going Magic

[@primerib77tanner4]

I think people are underestimating the value this relic will have for herblore. Limpwurts, snapegrass, white berries, are all hard to come by, and having a stack passively growing in your bank is huge.

[@Gamesbrandon]

Checked the math; you are correct in on average 4 harvests out of every seed. Nerd stuff later in the comments. For those interested, there's 2 ways of doing it. The first way is fairly simple: We notice that if we were to plant 4 seeds, we would lose 1 seed and get 4 harvests. Therefore, for every 1 seed we lose we get about 4 harvests on average. The more formal way is with summations. We list the probability of saving a seed a certain amount of times and how many harvests we'd get out of that, then try to reduce that summation down to a real number. So the average amount of harvests from getting 1 harvest, then getting 2 harvests, then getting 3 harvests etc. We call this sum S and use (...) to denote we're continuing the pattern infinitely. 1]] S= 1 * 1/4 + 2 * (1/4)*(3/4) + 3*(1/4)*(3/4)^2 + (...) To solve this we need to find some other expression that we can use to subtract from this one to get rid of the infinite summation. Lets first try to multiply by 4 to get rid of that 1/4 for simplicity. 2]] 4S = 1 + 2*(3/4) + 3*(3/4)^2 + 4*(3/4)^3 + (...) Ok, now we need to get rid of that pesky infinite summation. We'll first try by multiplying both sides of [2] by 3/4. 3]] (3/4)*4S=3S=1*(3/4)+2*(3/4)+3*(3/4)+ (...) Close! We can use this to make the summation of 4S in line [2] simpler by subtracting the 3S we got from line [3] 4]] 4S-3S= S =1+(3/4)+(3/4)^2+(3/4)^3+ (...) Way more simple! Now we once again try to get rid of that infinite summation by getting something close to the right side. Notice that if we just multiply both sides by 3/4 we get 5]] (3/4)*S= (3/4) + (3/4)^2+(3/4)^3 + (...) This is the right side of the infinite summation in [4]! Now we can just subtract that from [4] to find. 6]] S - (3/4) S = 1 7]] 1/4 S =1 8]] S = 4 So the average amount of harvests is 4! Now this was obviously a lot more work, but the benefit is that its also much more versatile. It's some of the math that I still pull up the most commonly in day-day life.

[@UIM_Moose]

I actually think Overgrown is much better than people realise, you don't have to sit there actually doing farming for an hour like you did with Farner's Fortune, and it's unlikely you're going to use the supplies up faster than you're getting them passively, and you're effectively getting quadruple seeds as well. I do think this is a good relic if you're taking banker's note.

[@Demonslay335]

Exactly. It's like comparing a prayer potion with the new prayer regeneration potion. Farmer's Fortune was exactly as he described last year... dump all your seeds in an hour and never farm again. It was nice to knock out Farming fast, but now I kind of see how it wasn't the best for long-term as Overgrown will be.

[@Nuvizzle]

However you also don't get the BENEFIT of sitting there and doing farming for an hour, i.e. all tithe farm and farming guild tasks completed in Kourend.

[@UIM_Moose]

@Nuvizzle The tithe farm argument is definitely valid, it'll be interesting to see if they also can't die, because if that's the case you can use all the patches and it will still be pretty quick getting the tasks done, not as fast as farmer's fortune by any way but still quick enough. If you have tithe farm, though, then you also have CoX, and you get 3 prayer scrolls from there, not to mention the arceuus spellbook from Zeah anyway, so by picking Zeah it somewhat devalues Grimoire.

[@Demonslay335]

@@UIM_Moose honestly though, I don't plan on having time to do any raids (have to learn from scratch), so Grimoire could still be useful for someone like me.

[@UIM_Moose]

@@Demonslay335 I also need to learn them from scratch 😅 only one I can do reasonable well is ToA

[@Lollaksyotuube]

As a casual player, I like it.

[@g.waits4gainz205]

emergent gameplay 100% though, thats by far the most amazing and enjoyable hype part of leagues especially when it gets you strategizing to make sutff broken

[@duffomatic]

For me, with what my personal goals are and what my friends are doing, I'm going to be getting *every* spellbook anyway. The only thing from Grimoire I'd be missing out on is Piety, and taking a whole relic for just that doesn't seem smart to do. I also really love having to ignore doing farm runs, 5 minutes every hour is going to add up to quite a lot of time running around to different patches and planting seeds that I could instead keep working on other skills. So I like the farming relic a lot. Worried about choice 3 though.

[@MrMittens7]

My main problem with overgrown is you're probably going to want to take Zeah for all the patches there and the farming guild. If you have Zeah, then you have echo Hespori which you can fight over and over with no cooldown. If echo Hespori still drops farming xp then you already have such a large amount of farming xp, so at that point, overgrown would just be used for supplies.

[@josephcarreon2341]

I'm guessing you don't get farming xp from echo Hespori because you don't plant her. But that is just me guessing.

[@GormanVidal]

This is anti synergy with Zeah. You already have farming contracts, tithe and hespori. No point taking this with Zeah as you don't need it.

[@The_Azure_]

@@GormanVidal Grimoire has anti-zeah synergy as well with an overlap of a spellbook and 2 prayers. Sure you'd miss Piety and Ancient's, but they're not a huge loss unless you need freeze.

[@SimpCatcher]

@@josephcarreon2341 You are correct, Echo Hespori doesn't give farming xp.

[@burntjoint]

@@The_Azure_ A not insignificant amount of people who take Zeah dont want to / cant do COX, so having free prayers without having to do the raid grind is appealing.

[@AscendantExile]

daaaaaaamn i was so set on Grimoire but this is going to be a problem. i loved the farming relic last year. I also love the iteration the team has been doing on relics keeping them feeling fresh and exciting and giving us hard choices. Im not planning on taking Zeah so Grimoire getting me prayers and arceuus spellbook is huge but having farming and herb gathering for herblore solved by Overgrown is massive too. With Fairies Flight farm runs wouldn't be bad but if i go Clue Compass (which is what im leaning towards), then im not sure how much i will want to run around doing farm runs when i could just have Overgrown. If there is a herblore relic then that might take some of the value out of Overgrown for me but right now i have no idea what im going to pick for this tier.

[@Chrispitos]

One game changer id like to know if buff hespori will give farming xp still

[@The_Azure_]

I think I might pick this relic, depending on the third choice. My zones currently look like AFZ. So the only things Grimoire gives would be Piety and Ancients. Both are good, but I always push off farming and never do it.

[@carloscardenas1020]

When is your video about combat coming out on the official page???

[@haraldsbaumanis]

As I'm picking Kourend I'm really hoping on a fun 3rd relic in this tier. I had no problem getting 50m farming xp without a relic last time and the grimoire won't benefit me too much

[@Beowulfgang_Amadeus]

What if i just... Dont get 99 farming...?

[@asddsa8203]

Wait people actually picked the farmer relic last league?

[@DB-cx6uc]

Yep and didnt regret it one bit lol This one prob wont be worth it though depending on ur regions

[@Ahrimas]

Man I'm so hyped

[@lesnacke]

basically we're edging the entire leagues instead of blowing our load one time and packing it up

[@Bynbrooke]

I was hoping for SOME increased speed in farming, but this is still very powerful. I still loved leagues two farm runs I still quote mintmadcow "water malones"

[@michael_betts]

I've gotten 99 farming every league, and I only chose the farming relic in twisted league. I chose ruinous powers last league just to mess around with them, and I feel that grimoire is even better this year for both fun and dps. I might be tempted to switch to the third, but for now I'm gonna go grimoire over overgrown.

[@veldrien]

My take is that you get this relic relatively late at tier 5. Also as a Zeah Melee enjoyer I feel like I want piety. I also intend on doing tithe farm and farming contracts so I dont think I want Overgrown right now

[@flames2089]

Eh, this is okay if the farming cycles are super fast. Otherwise, the best part of the farming relic for me last year was how much time it saved, as someone who didn't have a lot of free time for leagues. Resources aren't really a problem honestly. And just 'not being lazy', while personally fk yeah I hate farm runs, just doesn't feel like a "real" benefit for a relic to have. If it worked offline I think I'd actually have to think about it, but for now its defo Grimoire

[@Ahrimas]

Overgrown is better than it sounds imo. Completely passove farming is pretty cool. HOWEVER Grimoire gives me all prayers and 2 spellbooks ill otherwise not get... So I'm glad to see something not super strong vs it 😅

[@b1O15]

I HATE farming so i might want to do this.

[@brianjohnson1290]

KEEP EM COMIN PA PA

[@Ricardo_Rick]

So for now it's basically: Free 99 farming (possibly 50M and 200M exp) Plus infinity ingredients with barely any effort or All spellbooks and Prayers, including Piety... Tough choice, not gonna lie Now i do wonder if planting trees makes you get logs on only roots

[@Opop901LP]

No roots from trees confirmed

[@Ricardo_Rick]

@@Opop901LP So...what happens with the trees? do you get the logs?

[@bronkey8247]

Farming is already pretty chill content, unless the 3rd relic offers something invaluable, it's gonna be Grimoire for me

[@spudchungus]

Since my regions are already including desert and fremmy it is definitely a free choice for me to take the farming relic!

[@Xand_]

with Asgarnia and Morytania in the plans, I'm just hoping for a Slayer relic at this point 😅 afk scape between this and golden god is crazy though

[@TheMerzerker]

This relic is such a step down from last year's FF relic. How do they expect this to compete against Grimoire at all?

[@ZarotroxRS]

I would like to see them open all the tiers and you can pick whichever you want from any tier.

[@Aperson439]

Iirc wasnt the farming relic the single most picked relic out of any tier last leagues? With overgrown, i kinda like that even junk seeds are valueable. Free xp for something you would have otherwise dropped

[@Gearwik6027]

The opportunity cost is Ancient magiks and Piety. Its cool and i wanna see the last relic in this tier.

[@Electriksoda]

The amount of people I've seen hard write this relic off already is insane to me. I certainly don't wanna pass up boosting prayers for it, but what if you don't have to? The ruinous powers are still yet to make an appearance, and I predict they'll be another (difficult) choice we have to make (potentially in the masteries) which'll make the relationship between Grimoire and Overgrown even more layered and difficult. So far I think the choices we're being forced to make in this league are the best they've ever been

[@Noccyboy]

I’m planning fremmy and desert, so grim loses a lot of value for me there. I absolutely am not going to do farm runs, i don’t even do them in the main game after I hit the higher levels, but now with the attention draw of tasks and the feeling of pressure from time i can say with confidence farming just won’t happen

[@davidbaker7564]

I think this relic would be stronger if the farming timer was sped up, either directly from the relic or as passive for everybody

[@hem9483]

am i crazy for thinking this is sort of meaningless? im just going to do wintertodt for supplies, i dont care about levelling herblore or farming, and the xp multiplier means tree patches to 99 is fast as hell, even doing it manually if this is the same tier as grimoire it seems like zero contest imo. frees up multiple regions, infinite spellbook swaps idk. farming doesnt seem that important when most of the potions you want are all on droptables anyways

[@rebornreaper194]

As long as it gives you the leprechaun's outfit as well.

[@erinbyrnes5921]

Auto-farming looks amazing.

[@UILazarus]

I don’t wanna do farm runs this is perfect, but DAMN Grimoire is so good and we don’t even know the third relic!

[@Stoff_Rocks_Packs]

Ahh such a hard choice! Overgrown is more efficient but grimoire more fun

[@einjharrelraca]

Honestly, if farming growth tics are faster, then ill take the grimoire. If they arent then im taking the the farming relic. If the tics aren't faster, i can just use the trollheim, the ice troll one and the falador farm herb patches and do those 3 while at work to solve my potions problems.

[@smokeymcdrifts5442]

I hope ruinous powers is the last relic

[@tuncqboi]

We basically have it with Grimoire

[@The_Azure_]

It's possible, though how it wasn't considered a combat relic last league I've no idea.

[@Nuvizzle]

Seems really unlikely with grimoire

[@newdad280]

Trickster or Equilibrium type relic will be the 3rd.

[@tuncqboi]

@@newdad280 I have a feeling auto-pickpocket relic is against golden god