LEAGUES OF VOTANN: THE VOID IS IN OUR VEINS! | Warhammer 40k Lore

[@Turk3YbAstEr]

Votann killing ad mech on sight most while getting along with guard and craftworlds is probably one of the most reasonable positions in 40k

[@darklombax2580]

Ad mech is one of the reasons that the imperium lags behind in technology.

[@Broomer52]

I love how shaky the alliance is between them and the Imperium. They’re cool with you right up until you start snooping or don’t want to hand something over they want. The Imperium is overall cool with them but they can’t make up their minds on if they’re heretical or not and opinion on them is deeply divided.

[@bennai2]

Just think about a situation that a guard regiment would say sure you give us tech and repair it and we let you kill our cogboys.

[@22readbetweent22]

Now I want to see a Votann/Dark Angels skit complete with the Benny Hill theme. 🤣👍

[@stalinsoulz7872]

@@bennai2 I'm pretty sure if their commissar are dead. They'll happily obliged for trade if it meant they get upgrade and less pain in the ass to deal with

[@Amelia_of_Brazenwall]

"Does this machine have a soul?" Votann: "You're goddamn right it does."

[@Overlord99762]

*hugs the AI and gives him an motor oil ale*

[@stalinsoulz7872]

Kinsman! Kin: Yes! Secret! Kin: rocket hammer go bonk to Inquisitor

[@stalinsoulz7872]

@@Overlord99762 votann be like. Yes this one, keep him and his Shit

[@HonorabilisMagister]

ancestor cores are just belisarius cawl with endgame gear.

[@masonjones7777]

Dotty is a true dwarf! (sorry, but no votann thread is safe from drg)

[@Roark787]

I can just imagine an inquisitor trying to interrogate a kin, and all the kin does is just rants and insults the inquisitor for hours without taking a single break.

[@chubbyj8219]

Literally just the Scotsman from samurai jack

[@thomas4092]

Inquisitor: why do you have such advanced weaponry?! Squat: Whaddaya think of that, Mr. Pajama Wearin' Basket Face Slipper Wieldin' Clype-Dreep-Bachle Gether-Uping-Blate-Maw, Bleathering Gomreil Jessie Oaf-Lookin' Scooner, Nyaff Plookie Shan Milk-Drinkin' Soy-Faced Shilpit, Mim-Moothed Snivelin' Worm-Eyed Hotten-Blaugh Vile-Stoochie Cally-Breek-Tattie?m

[@NightMeteor21]

Then after the interrogation he puts that inquisitior on the list

[@derrekmitchell1264]

Like Urist in the fantasy warhammer vids the guys who made TTS made that just insulted the elf! EDIT: Warhammer: Ravandils Quest is it, had too look it up

[@ananonymousnerd.2179]

@@derrekmitchell1264 I believe his name was Urist Boatmurdered, but I could be wrong.

[@Overlord99762]

Kynn: Oh Venerable Ancestor, please illuminate us with new technologies Votann: AYE, LET ME BESTOW UPON YE SOMETHING, LAD. *Mechanical grumbling* HERE, MY BOY. *STC: GLOCK 17*

[@stalinsoulz7872]

Glock7000

[@brok56]

Isnt that just The standard imperial guard side arm. The auto pistol.

[@thesmashingbadger4644]

GLOCK AND STONE

[@Overlord99762]

@@thesmashingbadger4644 oh shid that's good

[@thesmashingbadger4644]

@@Overlord99762 thank you Commander

[@steweygrrr]

They have a campaign relic called 'The Iron Ambassador' It's a boltgun.

[@Earthstar_Review]

That says almost everything I want to know about them.

[@Volvith]

Orks: >Destroy a Votann< Every damn Dwarf in a ten thousand AU radius: "... _did you just..."_ Orks: "HAHA, YE STUPID GIT, WHAT YE GON DUU ABOUT AEHT?!! HAR HAR HAHAHAR!!" Also Orks: _"... oi, why dey be starin' all creepy like dat?... ladz am gettin' a ba' feeling bout dis..."_ Leagues of Votann: *>Starts a 500 year long extinction war against the very lineage of the entire fucking WAAAAGGH and wipes it from the face of existence

[@BoisegangGaming]

The best part is they did it with what is effectively dark age of technology level MINING equipment. Yeah, the Rhino was a transport, the Russ was a tractor (?), but the Leagues just can go "yep let's take those bikes, stuff a big gun on it, and let's go"

[@stalinsoulz7872]

Scratches a computer. LoV: *there will be blood!*

[@brok56]

@@stalinsoulz7872 Accidentally sneezes towards a votann, from 20 meters away. Your entire blood line gets removed.

[@chrispap6384]

And then 4x the orks come back because they loved it and just have the time of their life murdering kin

[@davisdf3064]

@@stalinsoulz7872 SHED!

[@jamyperson4287]

The Ancestor Cores were really interesting. The fact that they are both A.I. and produce a psychic presence in the warp is really surprising.

[@The_Bird_Bird_Harder]

Same as men of iron I'd imagine.

[@unsertainley]

Does that mean AI have souls in 40k?

[@danyael777]

@@unsertainley Chaos and the Iron Warriors in particular tell us that machines can be corrupted or be made demon hosts.

[@danyael777]

@@unsertainley I might add there's even literally corrupted code^^

[@QuestGiver]

I would normally expect chaos influence in these AI, but ,given how they are so new in the cannon and so strangely helpful, they could also possess something other than generic demon shittery. I doubt they would be possessed by a fragment of the emperor or one of his angels. With the beacon thing in mind, I got to wonder if we have a situation where people ritualistically sacrificed themselves to later possess the AI, just like how the shamans sacrificed themselves to become the emperor.

[@noireweiss762]

Leagues of Votann: "Give us yer shite!" Trayzin: *looks at leagues of votann* Leagues of votann: "the fock ya looking at, you soulless fock!?" Trazyn: "Oh I just had the weirdest kind of Déjà-vu.."

[@darklombax2580]

I image the league’s too Scottish or Irish

[@stalinsoulz7872]

@@darklombax2580 oi ya cuntz! Hand it over! Trazyn: one biomass may be different, but I sense the familiar kinship of our way of crazing Collectables

[@ouchiegiverjr]

“Wait….weren’t they frozen over…huh must’ve been my imagination???”

[@greenEntertainer.]

You could say he felt a sense of *kynship*

[@ouchiegiverjr]

@@greenEntertainer. *Points bolter* Corner now.

[@MekBoooooi]

Whoa that one League that died out from hive fleet leviathan might be a nod to the old lore of how they died.

[@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle]

Props to GW for cleaning up after their old messes

[@TimeCircleBlue]

I think it IS the same one. Got punked by Orkz and a craft world that was just really malicious for no good reason. Then got overrun by nids. It was a bad week lol.

[@seeingseeer5282]

Fun fact about Votann: The name Votann is a derivation of the name of a certain Nordic god, one who is known for his thirst for knowledge that drove him to sacrifice one of his eyes for it. Yup, the Votann is named after Wotan/Woden/Odin, who is also a warrior god that is known for his fury, which makes him the patron god of berserkers. So of course his name would be used as the basis for something a dwarf-like society, even in a sci-fi setting like 40k, would worship.

[@moodyfingers7301]

Wich Odin's name is the oldest?

[@DesertRatPainting]

They also have a Grymnir unit that is another name for Odin. Not just a reference to fantasy dwarfs.

[@heathenpride7931]

@@moodyfingers7301 we have no fucking idea. Wothinaz is hypothesized but even if true that’s just the oldest form of “Odin”, which might not be the original name of the god.

[@reaperking2121]

@@moodyfingers7301 No idea. However I do think they could have been used at the same time. Odin is the Scandinavian way of pronouncing the gods name while Germans say Wotan.

[@rocksteadyska6933]

All I can say is give your thanks to Mr. Wednesday, since today is his day after all

[@MaxterandKiwiKing]

You forgot to mention that the Demiurg, the Tau aligned Stone people dwarfs that replaced the original Squats, have been retconed into being the groups of Squats / Leagues that trade with the Tau. And that they sold Dark age Human tech to the Tau, which is part of the reason why the Tau technologically advanced so fast.

[@henrypaleveda7760]

I would like to hear more of this. That and Bricky And DK should totally cover it. Do you want to see some stories following the LoV and if so what authors do you think would be a good fit?

[@MaxterandKiwiKing]

@@henrypaleveda7760 I would absolutely love to see books following the LoV, though I'm not well versed enough to decide which author would write them best. Maybe some the Author of the Gotrek and Felix books, since the LoV are literally just space Dwarfs.

[@BoisegangGaming]

"What's this?" "That's a razor." "It's a laser with enough of a yield to blow up a tank." "Yes. We use it to shave our beards."

[@tarektechmarine8209]

What did the tau do to pay for this tech.....

[@MaxterandKiwiKing]

@@tarektechmarine8209 Given the LoV's habit of mulching entire planets using their supermassive harvester ships, the Tau probably payed in a few uninhabitable dwarf planets or moons in there home system.

[@Rallionart]

STC's are not something made by the Imperium. They were made BEFORE the Imperium, during or before the "Dark Age of Technology". The Imperium (or more often the Mechanicus) stumble across them and add them to their repertoire of tech they can replicate. The Votann, in addition to everything else have a LOT of STC's.

[@Torguemada]

STC is sadly used in the lore for 2 very differend things, there the simple templates of how to make something or other. And then there are these uber powerful AI:s that can do almost anything with their massive libraries of templates. Votans are pretty much the same as those latter ones.

[@armata_strigoi_0]

​@@Torguemada They're not two different things. It's just that all STC systems were either destroyed or damaged during the Age of Strife and whatever data remained, corrupted over time (technologically, I don't mean Chaos corruption). So when the Imperium re-discovers one, typically only tiny fragments of the database have survived and are accessible. That's why they're referred to as STC's, because the Imperium's only experience of them is the individual manufacturing templates that were lucky enough to be preserved, they have never interacted with a fully intact system.

[@MrAzhrarn]

Also don't forget that the Votann are most likely abhumans, so a strain of humanity that split off long ago.

[@thewerdna]

So the Standard Template Constructs they mention are in fact STCs. This means the Votann are the fully functioning AI systems humanity used to use to create STCs

[@burningbronze7555]

With cyber dementia on top of being more valuable than whole planets.

[@ItamarO93]

That is demented cuz they opened too many tabs

[@burningbronze7555]

@@ItamarO93 do you think they would work if they where turned off and on again.

[@RageDuck0]

Wow that is HUGE NEWS

[@ItamarO93]

@@burningbronze7555 I'd say yes, for sure, but the Kin are worshiping it, so they'd consider it heresy. It is VERY in line with 40K's grimdark to have it be so the problem is very easy to solve, and simple by modern sense, but the religion makes it impossible for them Space Dorfs to even consider.

[@Grayfire25.]

So as a thing about STC, there is no difference between an imperium or regular STC. They were all created at humanities peak so any division of humanity that has one is just an STC. So if the imperium and especially the admech found out the leagues had these they would be the main focus of war completely to be able to take them.

[@101Mant]

Yeah an "Imperium" STC is just an STC the Imperium got its hands on.

[@tarektechmarine8209]

It's actually very stupid..... The mechanicus are the ONLY thing keeping the supply lines running, If they so wished the Imperium would fall (BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT A PART OF THE IMPERIUM) and that saying the Votan are entirely hostile would be signing an entire species death warrant. Why are warhammer fans so stupid. Same problem with primaris, but everybody just accepts. Like how dumb are the writers, fans who will outright accept this rubbish as well as those who just go along with it. There's a system in place, every writer even fanfic MUST follow in that system.

[@Mister-Thirteen]

@@tarektechmarine8209 1. The Admech are an official part of the Imperium as of the Schism of Mars. They are just as dependent upon the imperium for sustenance and infrastructure as any other Adeptus. Well the individual Forge worlds might be able to function independently it would be like another dark age cutting off the various Forge Worlds from supply & communication. 2. The Admech keep most of the advanced technology in the Imperium from falling below a baseline. However the supply lines and infrastructure of the Imperium is predominately the work of Adeptus Administratum and the communication lines of the Adeptus Astra Telepathica. 3. The Admech couldn't fight the Leagues as a military force without the aid of both the Astra Militarum and the Adeptus Astartes. It would be like going to war with The Drukhari; leaving the rest of he Imperium open to attack including the Forge Worlds.

[@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle]

@@tarektechmarine8209 found the admech fanboy

[@ralphize5153]

@@tarektechmarine8209 bro, you know the Mechanicus is equally fucked without the imperium right? Like firstly, their religions and all systems are intertwined so there’s a 0% chance they’d ever betray each other, and secondly; the imperium supplies the admech with all their resources and the vast majority of planets are imperium run, rather than forge worlds. Realistically, I’m the event of a war, the Mechanicus would barely lose and the imperium would collapse under itself almost immediately afterwards. Along with that, space marines pose next to no threat to the imperium in an all out war because there’s like a million of the tops. They also get supplied by the imperium and there are gene seed repositories on multiple worlds to create new chapters of need be

[@Metal_Maoist]

The Squats have kind of a similar view on life support systems as the Belters from the Expanse. With them, if you let an air filter get a bit moldy, you go straight out the airlock, no questions asked.

[@Jamhael1]

I can even see the Squats speaking Beltalowda instead of just Scottish accent.

[@hellojo100]

I'm calling it, once an AI gains enough sentience it, it grows a soul. That's going to be why the Men of Iron rebelled, they grew a connection to the warp and it corrupted them. Same reason is why the Ancestor Cores have a beacon in the warp, they're made of metal but they've ascended to being living beings like the polar opposite of Necrons. They went from flesh and soul to metal, Votann went from steel and iron to being with souls

[@ulfgard4734]

We've seen that process happen before, more or less. The Castigator comes to mind as almost completely analogous.

[@thefeatherbird_]

I always figured the men of iron rebelled because they were basically slaves, which is why the votanns own men of iron havent.

[@fahholliday5374]

There is a Man of Iron in the Blackstone Fortress game and it is **not** corrupted by chaos.

[@davisdf3064]

I don't think it was just simple "they were corrupted by chaos evil dark". I bet that AI are no more corruptable than human if they are smart, have personalities and FLAWS. Just like us.

[@goawayihavecommentstomake1488]

Remember they add all the life experience from the kin into the votann when they die- so it is their Valhalla. This is why the votann have slowed down so much, but also maybe why they have a warp shining - millions of kin souls are associated with it

[@faris7021]

Tonite on Ridiculous Gear:Bricky grows a real beard, DK's height increases to 4 foot 6 and Shy puts every Lil guy fan in THE BOOK

[@IdioticSynergy]

Not bad mate ^_^

[@faris7021]

@@IdioticSynergy not too bad yourself

[@IdioticSynergy]

@@faris7021 Cheers mate

[@ShardtheWolf]

Shy is Clarkson, Bricky is James May, and DK is Hammond. Discuss.

[@heavystalin2419]

@@ShardtheWolf Not interested

[@lucasbeck1391]

In one of the cain novels the necrons reclaim a psychic artifact they made So they can definetly make tech that affects the warp in ways other than just negating it

[@Speediestdude]

Small thing with that artifact. I just read the 3 Cain books that the artifact is present in ,and basically they don't know who made it. They do know that the only ones who were old enough to be around when it was made are the necrons and they arnt going to tell of its true makers . They mention ctan in the books but Ctan are real space entities and dont have warp powers they just are able to bend reality in their own way.

[@brok56]

If a warp storm is extra funky and its around a planet, the lifeless rocks on that planet can get warped, chaos space marine armour can get fused To the marine, and Iron warriors build machines where they trap daemons and use them as cannon fodder. I agree. Inanimate objects can get warp magic in them.

[@GlebGuy]

That was an Old One piece of tech, much rarer than anything Necron. They wanted to get rid of it since it could produce more psykers in a galactic scale and the Necrons abhor anything warp-touched.

[@jakebailey1636]

Small tidbit of bonus lore for some people who may be confused Kin do not like being called squats- but those of the Kin who have been isolated on Necromunda have come to take it as a name (though if it's by choice or begrudginly is unknown) so Kin = Leagues of Votann Squats = Prospectors on Necromunda The Squats have been isolated for too long, having to rely on Imperial tech, even creating a heavy exo-driller suit that while not as complex, is on par with a Exo-suit the Leagues have

[@BoisegangGaming]

The way I like to think of it is that the Squats from previous editions were just a League that either split off, lost its ancestor core, or didn't even speak about it.

[@jakebailey1636]

@@BoisegangGaming A part of me feels like if we attempt to blend old and new lore, the old era leagues got their usual events that caused them to "vanish" but the survivors became highly insular and slowly began to reform into what we know them today. Least in my brain that's how it'd go

[@P1gdude]

​@@BoisegangGaming I'm with you. I'd like to think that a league or Hold or Kindred without access to a Votan eventually becomes like the old squats. like biologically their the same but culturally they branch off and differentiate.

[@BoisegangGaming]

@@P1gdude Yeah, it's likely that Kyn can reproduce without needing to be cloned, or at least can "pass" as a natural-born species, at least to a certain point. I don't see Squats/Kin as entirely seperate or replacing each other, rather, they're just two different flavors of space dwarf. Squats are a much more 80s-90s goofy grimderp type of thing, a sort of relic of older 40k, but they have been updated (primarily with Necromunda IIRC) to better fit in with the modern stuff. The Leagues exist as a direct creation of modern 40k, but with elements of the old. It's the old and new mixing in a really interesting way tbh.

[@P1gdude]

@@BoisegangGaming yeah I would definitely see Squats reproducing naturally. That would probably make a good division marker, like they stop being Votan Leaguers and start being old Squats when they stop using the crucible and start makin babies. They still recognize each other as Kyn, but recognize that they have developed different and distinct cultures. Like Americans and the English. Only Instead Americans get laid and the English spawn from crates of Tea.

[@julianpourdanesh3339]

I think the votann is going to be the perfect counter to the imperium as it is an advanced society that seems somewhat resistant to chaos.

[@Roark787]

Resistant yes, but immune I think not.

[@julianpourdanesh3339]

@@Roark787 I hope not I want chaos votann

[@mr.potato2223]

@@julianpourdanesh3339 genestealer votann

[@Roark787]

@@julianpourdanesh3339 Since chaos can corrupt AI I feel a potential plot on how a league falls to chaos would be by a chaos entity corrupting a Votann core and having the leagues kin do chaos stuff, starting with small minor actions and escalating them further and further as it goes on, slowly corrupting them over time, following every word because they think it's the will and desire of their ancestors.

[@Broomer52]

They’re a hard counter to Orks and are what the Imperium would be if they weren’t trapped in zealotry. They’re still religious and somewhat superstitious but it doesn’t rule them like the Imperium.

[@MatthewCSnow]

Interesting that GW is incorporating more of their fantasy drawfs here, especially with what’s basically a great book of grudges mechanic

[@thewhompingwampa2671]

Ironic because The Squats were supposedly killed off by Tyranids in the first place _because_ they were too fantasy-like.

[@toledochristianmatthew9919]

@@SWProductions100 why the heck could they have not just changed the name then? They changed eldar to aeldari but could not do the same for the squats?

[@issacmartinez6452]

As the Eye of Terror slowly approaches my location in Florida, I am happy to know the Emperor blesses me with this video. Edit: I have survived Edit: Guys, why is the Inquisition at my door?

[@davidthomas2870]

Stay alive and safe out there

[@jcchefjoe]

Hopefully the warp storm won't cause to much havoc in your region

[@stevenroark8126]

May the Emperor keep you safe.

[@motihill2844]

What part of Florida are you from?

[@lucasbeck1391]

What's happening in florida?

[@alphariusomegon3965]

This is going to be a short one. Ok I’ll see myself out.

[@shiluk84]

That's a token

[@alphariusomegon3965]

@@shiluk84 no you get a token

[@CSSVirginia]

Just a little episode.

[@YoBen100]

Rock and stone, brothers! Rock and stone! Also: This is going to the fucking book of grudges!

[@ahardworker2154]

ROCKS AND STONES

[@marbledgold0605]

The Leagues of Votann? That's a long winded way of saying *Deep Rock Galatic...* Rock and Stone!

[@woaddragon]

IDW man. The Leagues of Votann and Deep Rock Galactic has the same number of syllables.

[@HunterSentinel]

I genuinely like how the votan have developed their own machine spirit based on the sentimental value that the squats have placed on them while also beginning to develop rampancy from being active without regular memory wipes keeping them fresh. It’s the point of them almost being smart AI without being heresy!

[@Torguemada]

Yeh no, the Votan are straight up golden age AI.

[@Genamildo]

I knew Deep Rock Galactic was just a tiny squat colony forgotten by the fires of war.

[@IdioticSynergy]

Tonite on Ridiculous Gear: Bricky does the ol'diggy diggy hole against some genestealers, DK gets his brain smoothed by some ironkin so he can join the A.I cubes and Shy wonders when someone will mention how they are just some little guys just some tiny baby men, it's just some small fellas

[@heathenpride7931]

This joke has been old for quite a while.

[@Kyla-Stormhazard]

@@heathenpride7931 It's just a little joke

[@villainvoice5143]

I admit I cracked a lil smile.

[@IdioticSynergy]

@@heathenpride7931 To be honest with you, I know but I will only stop when absolutely no-one finds these jokes entertaining anymore

[@IdioticSynergy]

@@villainvoice5143 i'm glad to hear it

[@kerbal666]

I can see "THAT'S A TOKEN!" is gonna be the new "THAT'S HERESY!" among squat players. I'm all for it.

[@thefeatherbird_]

THATS GOING IN THE BOOK!

[@CynUnion-ji9uj]

That's a Grudgin

[@Anthony_Cika]

I've got GRUDGES TO SETTLE!

[@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle]

You keep talking that way you're gonna go in the book

[@airplanemaniacgaming7877]

@@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle Ah zip it ye overgrown trashcan on wheels, or I'll take yer speech module out and switch it out for a malfunctioning bidet!

[@geoffreyprecht2410]

Holy shit I love the Space Dwarves now. I was worried GW would mess it up but this lore slaps! Amazing episode! Loved the editing, loved the banter, loved how DK's questions flowed into Bricky's explanations.

[@TrilainaBloodwind]

This was easily one of my favorite episodes you folks have done recently. Super cool lore, super fun interactions between everyone. And as a man of culture, I have to say it at least once... ROCK 'N' STONE, TO THE BONE!

[@alltomorrowsfan]

ROCK AND STONE TO THE BONE

[@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle]

IF YOU DON'T ROCK AND STONE YOU AIN'T COMING HOME!

[@devindeocharan8323]

ROCK AND STONE, TO DA BONE AY MATE!

[@kriegsman7585]

ROCK AND ROLL AND STONE

[@exudeku]

So you're now telling me that Deep Rock Galactic is now 40k canon?

[@ShotGunner5609]

Karl smiles upon us all brother!

[@The_Bird_Bird_Harder]

Yes.

[@lukalovric2463]

Rock and stone

[@guardsmanlars6797]

Karl is with us!

[@jethroboey7229]

ROCK AND ROLLIN STONE

[@vontheunknown7982]

I hope the squats be in a new dawn of war game with the old mechanics from dawn of war dark crusade, I also love how the enemy leaders insult each other, what do you guys think?

[@461Dragonman]

Dude I'd kill for a new Dawn of War that's a true successor to Dark Crusade with better graphics and identical gameplay.

[@waterflowzz5306]

I just wanna listen to space dwarves hurling insults at every other faction whilst drunk

[@vontheunknown7982]

@@waterflowzz5306 It would be funny as hell, LOL 😂😂😂

[@Leviathan-hk2hm]

If only such game was in making... But this is only a dream for now.

[@vontheunknown7982]

@@Leviathan-hk2hm Sadly it is 😔

[@vinnythewebsurfer]

I suppose when it comes to the LoV’s morality, they’re lacking an obvious end goal. Like they don’t have an innate idea of what the universe should be like you know, the Manifest destiny riff the imperium has or the Eldar and Necrons believing themselves as inheriting the galaxy for whatever eachs reason, chaos wanting everything to just be a constant stream of noise a burn down any sort of order/reason in the galaxy. They’re also not mindless doing 1 thing like the Orcs. They’re very much a product of their machine gods, it’s about the day by day moment of survival and maintaining their existence and living up to their past at any costs. It’s not especially personal. It’s honestly not that different than Tryanids. Like yes they’re not 100% mindless drones but they’re both very much like mass produced worker bees/ants answering their Queen. One wants all the biomass and the other wants whatever can be made into the proper resources to keep going, keep evolving, attaining data

[@BoisegangGaming]

That's a very good point. And I guess the question is if they need an end goal in the first place. After all, they've survived for ten millenia. They probably just want to keep surviving.

[@kilowyatt1107]

@@BoisegangGaming ^ This civilizations don't usually need an end goal, it existing and making sure that it will continue to exist is the goal

[@tylershank7771]

My theory, upon learning all this lore, is: what if they are unwittingly participating in the overarching universe scale plan of the old AI from the dark age of technology? I mean, we know that AI tried to destroy or subdue sentient life at one point. Now your telling me AI from that age still exists, and it's functionally the Gods of a whole race that is roaming the galaxy collecting knowledge and resources for... Reasons? I say heresy and treachery of the highest order, brothers.

[@AE149823]

When a Kin Warlord with the warlord trait of hatred sees a mechanicus ship running away from a fight with the rock they want after killing 3 units: "Oh, your name isn't going in the book - YOU'RE GETTING YOUR OWN FUCKIN VOLUME"

[@devindeocharan8323]

"I'M GONNA USE YA OWN FACK'IN OIL TO WRITEZ YA FUCKIN COWARDS!"

[@Jamhael1]

"That's IT! THEY BROUGHT IT UPON THEMSELVES! Write their names... ON THE BOOK..."

[@katarjin]

These guys are great, better than I expected from modern GW. (also that Starsector shoutout, such a great game of such a small team...and the modders, so good)

[@dueinuremom5082]

Squat: leave this planet stupid eldar, I need it for minerals. Eldar: no Squat: how dare you

[@ShardtheWolf]

Everything about "cleaning air filters, waste nothing, the void is harsh" is very reminscent of the belters from the expanse.

[@PyrusFlameborn]

It doesn't even sound extreme. Space _is_ harsh. NASA has strict operation procedures for a good reason.

[@tergartcunninghan2013]

The Votann list bearer reminds me of that one guy from Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy; the immortal man in the books who makes a point to visit every single person alive, insult them to their face, and leave to move onto the next individual.

[@Earthstar_Review]

Dude spent an indeterminate amount of time inventing time travel to pull it off, too.

[@jocosesonata]

That's the kind of pettiness and spite that is just legendary. I wouldn't even be mad if he insulted me.

[@xanmontes8715]

​@@jocosesonataI'd certainly be mad, how dare he waste my time hahaha

[@Ihasanart]

Back in the days of the Golden Age and DAoT that followed, the Men of Stone (humans genetically engineered with no warp presence to crew colony ships and set up colonisation efforts in claiming the galaxy) used the Men of Iron to routinely interface with and employ the warp and warp energy throughout their civilization's, the tech was just simply advanced enough to be able to do that without needing humans with the psyker gene.

[@BrotherGS]

This whole faction is just deep rock galactic in 40k and im all for it

[@zarlsalamandersspacemarine302]

Did I hear a rock and stone?

[@BrotherGS]

@@zarlsalamandersspacemarine302 ROCK AND STONE TO THE BONE

[@commissarbearz]

Hey! Molly! Donkey!

[@alltomorrowsfan]

@@BrotherGS ROCK AND STONE TO THE BONE

[@Solace_______]

ROCK AND STONE OR YOU AINT GOING HOME

[@andrethibodeau3203]

As soon as DK said “let’s rock and roll” and I heard Bricky inhale, I knew this was gonna fly off the rails XD

[@kingofthegrimm6161]

ROCK AND STONE!

[@ironduke5058]

@@kingofthegrimm6161 TO THE BONE!

[@joncarter3761]

If DK wants to be impressed with Dwarf grudges he should look up the war of the beard from fantasy. A grudge that caused a war that almost wiped out both races (to the point they never fully recovered) and if I'm remembering correctly was an active grudge at the end times thousands of years later! All of it caused by an Elf getting pissy and shaving a Dwarves beard off!

[@ulfgard4734]

That's objectively false. The War of Vengeance was caused by Elves murdering a Dwarf prince, dressing the scene to look like the work of Norscans, and then using it as false pretext to forge an alliance with the Dwarves. When the truth came out after the war against the Norscans, the result was the War of Vengeance.

[@ulfgard4734]

@@SWProductions100 Yes, but you've missed the middle step. The scene of the attack was set up to look like Norscans by High Elves... which was encouraged by a handful of high-ranking (closeted) Dark Elves, or perhaps proto-Dark Elves. So the High Elves were playing the Dwarves, and the Dark Elves were playing the High Elves. The story comes from the Dwarfs omnibus by Nick Kyme and Gav Thorpe-- and infuriatingly, is never referenced in any of the lore sites or wikis.

[@sirpieman300]

did they forget to mention the part where all the kin who die are basically uploaded into the votann? like all there memories and experiences, etc. or did i just miss him mentioning that?

[@alextruecustodian6174]

A fact that I like about the Leagues is it kinda helps sell the fact that the Imperium was made as satire first and due to narrative needs is treated as necessary evil Though we see with Tau and Kyn the Imperium is *not* the only option, they are not good nor perfect, but at least better

[@thefeatherbird_]

Its about time. The whole "necessary evil" assumption always bothered me, especially given the imperium is the primary reason behind most of the threats in the galaxy. They armed chaos with an army of supersoldiers and called the tyranids! Not to mention genociding every other empire they could find, leaving them the only real option for defending the galaxy.

[@alextruecustodian6174]

@@thefeatherbird_ we are on the same wavelength, the Imperium is cool but man does it sting when the satire is taken away from it imo

[@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle]

@@alextruecustodian6174 I mean, when you look at the IoM without satire you see how it effectively bit off more than it could chew on a pursuit for power and is now dragging the rest of the galaxy down with it as it slowly rots.

[@alextruecustodian6174]

@@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle I mean that still kinda applies with Satire (absolutely agree with the point of the IoM you make tbh) Satire is taking something and putting it in a negative/making fun of light Both are not mutually exclusive things that can be

[@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle]

@@alextruecustodian6174 Fair enough, I probably should have used the term humor instead of satire.

[@TimelordRick]

To quote: "LET'S GOOOOOOOO BABY!"

[@gabthegreat01]

How can a Robot have a presence in the Warp? “Does this unit have a soul, Bricky?”

[@philiphamel8504]

I'm gonna be painting my League later this week. Finished building them last night. Great work guys. Had a lot of fun with the podcast

[@craig.a.glesner]

So the Squats are Space OSHA! :) Also my new fave faction because they gave robots rights and respect. Sweet!

[@jamesmckenna4460]

_I thought winning meant getting shot a hundred times_ - DK sarcastically - Typhus wholeheartedly

[@devindeocharan8323]

"Hell, ain't that just right" - Tycus Findly

[@TheDeathstyk]

Fairly sure the STCs they have are the same the imperium uses(just they have more and less corrupted/useless than imperium seems to find), since they were originally from pre imperium humanity.

[@georgekerscher5355]

14:50 Iirc, "standard template constructs" for the Votann are implied, if not outright stated, to be the same as the STCs in the Imperium, especially given it would track with the lore of the Leagues of Votann being overall technologically superior to the Imperium. Especially given if they are seperate from STCs, it is odd that it is the same name as the STCs

[@tarektechmarine8209]

I will defend the point that the upper of mechanicus/astartes/ and nobility are quite a bit above votan in terms of tech, where the Votan don't need to protect, control and feed an entire galaxy. Hence why the difference in tech. Also the imperium wouldn't have full stc's as that would be AI, they say the votan is basically that but then claim that the imperium has/had these very same systems that are again AI.

[@georgekerscher5355]

@@tarektechmarine8209 ...You know it's canon that the Kin in the Leagues of Votann outnumber both the Tau and Aeldari (as in the entire species, including Asuyrani, Drukhari, Exodites, Ynarri, and Harlequins) right? With recent lore on the Tau placing their most populous planet as being over a trillion, it's safe to say that the Kin also have a high population. Like sure, it's not the exact same population as baseline humans in the Imperium, but it isn't as if there's just like _5_ _Kin._ Also, the notion that the tech ceiling of the Leagues of Votann is somehow worse or not as good as the Imperium is just straight up wrong when it's been implied if not outright stated to be better than the Imperium's.

[@freakyzoid3565]

@@tarektechmarine8209 Definitely not. The Imperium in all of it's facets (including the Mechanicus) is most comparable to maggots infesting a rotten apple. The Votann however still have a mostly stale but still serviceable one.

[@armata_strigoi_0]

That's because STC's predate the Imperium. The systems were constructed during the Dark Age of Technology. So while the Imperium simply collects lost remnants that survived the Age of Strife, the Leagues have an unbroken line stretching all the way back to the DAoT.

[@Reepicheep-1]

"They're lil guyz!" _ears perked, glance over to see how Shy punishes them._

[@sammartin8746]

Hearing Bricky mention Endless Space certainly caught my attention, first time any content creator I watch has ever mentioned anything by Amplitude

[@pifilixxiv3192]

Endless space for the win! Halfway wanna make a vaulter themed votann group

[@BeefyGreek]

Rock and stone! Very tempted to buy some purely to make a drg squad ⛏

[@derpy_mushroom531]

I've already decided to paint up mi e as deep rock galactic, did that for the mini of the month

[@BeefyGreek]

@@derpy_mushroom531 ah nice where can I check em out?

[@derpy_mushroom531]

@@BeefyGreek if on about the mini of the month, that seems to be a GW physical store thing. If you mean the models, I'll grab a link to the initial one did

[@antoinecyr2833]

Shouting ROCK AND STONE was the prefect start for this guys . 10/10 Karl would approve of this.

[@UnhingedNW]

Im stoked, dwarves have always been my fave in all fantasy and these dudes got me fucked up how cool they sound. Guess i found my first army

[@CaptainRasmot]

On the topic of "are they as bad as the other races?" You have to remember that the Votann are old pre-golden age A.I cores. A.I cores that are literally going rampant from sheer data overload. And they revere/celebrate these cores with a religous fervor. So the idea of the cores essentially turning all of the Kin into a technical slave race is pretty up there on the list of concerns.

[@VGGPTA]

If any of the space marine chapters would get along with them I’m thinking salamanders or space wolves

[@tarektechmarine8209]

Once the techmarines find about the votan itself , no. Not even crusade era techmarines would stand for that.

[@TheChiefJimbo]

This is my favorite show/ podcast. I support this channel; I’ve watched or listened to all the episodes; I’ve purchased merch. And then Bricky opens with “pee pee poo poo.”

[@darklombax2580]

40k and Deep rock galactic need to do a colab

[@thewhompingwampa2671]

That would be the smart thing to do. Unfortunately, as we've seen, GW is anything but smart.

[@Moss_196]

maybe the Votan operate similar to the Craft world Eldar soul stones, where they can aborb and store psychic energy/warp energy/souls.

[@wraithship]

"Kâââhllll..... There is a dead human in our house!" "Oh hey, how did he get here?"

[@Jamhael1]

"Kââhl, what did you do?"

[@danielmcelwain6841]

It seems Squat vs Squat warfare isn’t that uncommon. Especially over guild competing interests outside of their space, the Kronus Hegemony in particular are known to commit this against outsiders and other leagues - though the book describes them as getting into “border skirmishes and stand offs” with other leagues and “outright conquest” with alien races.

[@sarnicholas4053]

Honestly I could see a real fun Ciaphas Cain book involving him working with Kin and winning their respect.

[@Overlord99762]

YER FINE FOR IMPERIAL CIAPHAS, YA WEE SHITE

[@shadowhunter0176]

Ok who else is now thinking of a Fellowship of the Ring party with 40k races and subraces?

[@jakubgrzybek6181]

Hobbits - ratlings Gimly - kin Legolas - exodite Boromir - terran human Aragorn - ??? Gandalf - ??? Aragorn is halfelf and Gandalf is straight up angel in human body...

[@Uncle_Iroh.]

I yelled ''rock and stone! '' at the same time as Brick and Dk, it just felt right...

[@whitemoon8987]

ROCK AND STONE, OR YOU AIN'T COMING HOME!

[@Rebirth419]

DID I HEAR A ROCK AND STONE

[@shnitzer7151]

I absolutely love the LoV. Can't wait for them to go to kill team.

[@villainvoice5143]

Hell yeah, Kin! I just bought the army box. I figure it’s almost guaranteed to be warriors. So I’ll start assembling like the special weapons and a theyn and start painting. And then the vanilla warriors can get built when we see the rules.

[@billplman]

Now that we have Votann you guys should do a poster of all the waifu short stacks of 40k

[@EthanolTailor]

Holy shit star sector and Deep rock galactic are 2 games deserving of all the free advertising in the world.

[@84jesterx]

The fact that gw lists them in the xenosarmies makes me happy.

[@Belial1125]

The best guess i have is that the worship of them by the kin, and ontop of the fact they download their contiousness into the votann its developed a bit of divinity in the same way the emperor did, and this is litterally the only reason they didnt go full chaos murder all humans no stops.

[@Tutel0093]

Squats Kin be like: *points a ork* MUSHROOM!

[@HunterSentinel]

36:38 they’re even less likely to turn due to them checking up on each other as well... but that also means that if any would turn it’s probably gonna be an entire league together at once.

[@Skitarii_Ranger]

So we had Tech Priests worshipping toasters and now we have the Kin trying to make friends with a roombas

[@BeastnBrushes]

Any race: Defends itself Votann: Ar' ye askin for a gruding?!

[@AltoStratusX1]

The best part about a 500 year Grudge war of extermination against the Orks would is you'd think it would ENCOURAGE more Orks to target the Votann lol. DAS A BIG FOGHT BOYZ.

[@Jamhael1]

The Votann would just say back: "Good, they are after suicide, but with our help! *Let's help them...* "

[@HunterSentinel]

The mad votan might have also been driven mad by the shadow in the warp. Scrambled it’s beacon and what machine spirit it had... wait... does the shadow in the warp effect machine spirits?!?!?!?!?!?

[@Torguemada]

Machine spirit is purely admech thing, Votan are golden age AI's

[@Elliphaz]

I swear... the Squats, LoV and DRG are subtely connected... Still, did I hear a rock and stone?!

[@mr.potato2223]

Someone tell bricky that the ironkin look like the astronauts from outer wilds

[@The_Bird_Bird_Harder]

They kinda do yeah.

[@richardduska1558]

The issue with the Judgment tokens is that they not only that BUT you also have these special weapons that don't get -1 to hit. So you can triger that 4+ very easily with EVERYTHING.

[@carlthehatllama8930]

There are scattered instances of machine spirits having a presence in the warp, a sufficiently powerful machine could probably act as a beacon in the warp

[@12ratsinatrenchcoat]

GIVE ME A ROCK AND STONE!

[@wargriffin5]

Bricky: (Lists the different Votann factions) Me: "Look at all these future Stellaris builds." 😉

[@Keyfur91]

Tonite on this special episode of Ridiculous Gear; Bricky DOESN’T say something to annoy Shy, DK becomes Free Booty for a Free Booterz clan, and Shy does the same thing she does every night - try to take over the podcast!

[@OdaManjiro]

"Does this unit have a soul?" - Internal monologue of an Ironkyn probably

[@doggo9567]

WHEN YOU ROCK AND STONE YOUR NEVER ALONE

[@AceDreamer]

did i hear a rock & stone?

[@guardsmengunner]

@@AceDreamer ROCK AND STONE!!

[@The_clockwork_regent]

Just want you guys to know that I start my work week on Wednesdays and coming home after 12 hours and listening to the podcast is one of my favourite things please keep up the good work 👍👍👍

[@sparking023]

The Leagues of Votann look a lot like the Terran faction in Starcraft, especially with that power armor. They also have a more pristine tech than the Imperium, which makes me wonder how much they can even the field going up against the Space Marines. Pretty interesting faction, I'm curious to see their expanded lore Also, I'm guessing the Ancient Cores are reminiscent of the super A.I. from the Dark Age of Technology, and that their STCs are the same the AdMech look for (foreshadowing), considering they're confirmed to have human heritage. One thing to notice is that they apparently have a good grasp of what happens in the galaxy, having encountered Nidds, Necrons, Imperials, Eldar, Tau, and Orks, so how will they position themselves in the galactic battlefield? Oh yeah, there's also the warp beacon stuff the Cores generate. I wouldn't be surprised if the super advanced A.I. from the past were based on wetware, meaning these are literally living computers. Even if you suppress it with code, eventually it could be possible that conscience, sentience and personality emerge, and quite possibly, a soul. In fact, if these things were like, thousands of brains mashed together in a single network, wouldn't it work kinda like the Infinity CIrcuits of the eldar, at least in form? That could probably generate a big lighthouse in the warp, with that many souls bound together. Questions, questions, questions...

[@xavier6289]

Thank you for fast forwarding through the little guy bit Shy. Appreciate it

[@henrygreatsword1042]

Their should be a compilation for every moment Shy skips the little guys talk.

[@evansketches]

Votans: oh you have a material that we need? *THAT'S A TOKEN*

[@viatka1966]

Yo, their lore legit fits really well in this universe. The only thing I have a problem with rn is that Votanns are beacons in the warp, which is kinda sus given how important a single beacon is for the Imperium, other than that - yeah, quite cool.

[@tarektechmarine8209]

No, there's a ton more problems. But that just compounds it and as you point out would basically kill every human in space because the beacon is not THE beacon, that EVERY human ship uses. That's literally THE MOST MASSIVE f up since the ever.

[@Fourtytwo4242]

I mean it makes sense, how else did people in the dark age of technology travel? They clearly used the warp but never explained how, now here it is, they created artificial beacons.

[@krokodilegrundee5101]

I like it because it shows how shit the imperium is. Which is needed, because I'm sick of seeing "the fascist caricature is the best option"

[@willsword8100]

The lens used by this channel to look at 40k is both funny and wise. Never take things to seriously.

[@Turk3YbAstEr]

If you're doing the blood angels eventually, it would be good to know that the Sanguinius primarch book (coming out in December) and the next Horus heresy book will likely explain the origin of the red thirst and black rage.

[@obliviousotaku3042]

The list relic is a throw back to Fantasy dwarves having The Great Book of Grudges, an arifact held by the high king of the dwarves that holds all grudges until they can be properly dealt with.

[@Nod0nFire]

The Adeptus Mechanicus would like to violently requisition these data cores…this is not a request…

[@imperialfist2304]

One of the greatest First Truths: Rock and Stone, or you ain’t goin home.

[@nicholasbonk8414]

Nice Video! I might get a few votann models now XD. I'd love to see a Fulrgrim or Ferrus Manus episode next. Apparently they were really good friends before the whole beheading thing. And apparently Fulgrim was actually a cool dude before the whole evil sword thing.

[@ItamarO93]

Fulgrim liked to do strange things to his warriors...

[@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle]

Fulgrim was a frat boy

[@muglypunt968]

Stellar work again boys and the thing they call shy