MR BONES 40K On Primarch Pros & Cons | Astartes Anonymous Podcast #22

[@YOGI-kb9tg]

I love how arthur literally broke them on magnus

[@spartana1116]

All with a lion jpg and iron warrior grade hate

[@kh1046]

As a Canadian should....

[@dr.stronk9857]

I like Magnus because he’s cool and leader of one of my favorite legions, but he’s right lol

[@Yig_al_Gaib4242]

I hope that they post that entire rant at some point, it is gold and 100% correct.

[@03kevinmatthew03]

"LET ME RECITE TO YOU ONE OF MY *FAVORITE* POEMS!" has been in my head rent free ever since I heard it.

[@Pirigo13]

Perturabo chilling with Vulcan crafting amazing tech and building cities for a time would have 100% fixed Perturabo

[@SonOfTheSonOfTheSon]

He just needed recreation time with his bros....

[@chakatBombshell]

Most of them needed to spend more time with Vulkan & Corvis for the love and common sense respectively. There would be a few less traitors and the galaxy would be held together better without the emperor because you'd have primarchs who actually love each other and want to cooperate...except Curze he should be kept away from anyone nice like Vulkan otherwise he tries to stir crap because he hates goodness.

[@86pp73]

Whilst that's nice, Perty really needed serious therapy more than anything else. The guy was horribly traumatised by his upbringing, and just about everyone in his life failed him. No amount of kind words or supporting his interests would have set him right in the way experienced, professional help would have.

[@polishfriend]

True, Vulcan is the cure for most pains

[@thisguynamedmatt12]

Peterturbo just needed to learn when it is time to bend. He was inflexible and stoic. He broke. Iron is metal, it is flexible. He was not Iron. He was flesh and blood and neurochemicals. He needed to show weakness to his father, he needed to ask for something different, something he wanted to do. He needed enrichment and room to utilize his capacity for creativity and understanding and was given none.

[@redcarp9867]

When Arthur said "baby Sigismund" I immediately imagined Dorn with one of those chest baby carriers over his armor. With a chibi Sigismund(yes he has his helmet on) waving his sword like a rattle.

[@liv9520]

The Magnus rant is genuinely legendary. I will be clipping it to listen to whenever I am sad. 100% one of the best moments of 40k discussion I've witnessed.

[@KickMyBucket.]

The colab we've all been waiting for

[@BoredTAK5000]

Tom: "We could have a slightly longer episode than normal" *ALMOST 4 HOURS LONG*

[@demityrant1784]

No no, you're not grasping how funny the Russ going to Warp situation was. Russ had a vision after the Heresy went down and Imperium was in chaos.Stability of a Primarch for his chapter is important and he just said "Shit I gotta go find the tree of life and revive the Emperor!" "The wha-" "Can't explain. Look, Bjorn you're in charge. Later guys." "Russ, what the fuc-" And he hasn't come back. Bro is literally looking for the One Piece. I am a die hard Wolves player and that still is the funniest shit ever. Watch Russ come back with whatever he was looking for and prove everyone wrong. I will fucking cackle.

[@Manny_lol]

You guys almost had me break down listening to the Magnus bit at work today. The sheer unprofessionalism of it all is precisely the reason this is my favorite podcast. Keep up the good work you glorious beasts

[@DragonsHoardOfPlastic]

That Magnus tirade was OUTSTANDING, I've never heard Arthur's voice get that intense. That was a 1st degree roast, the violence was CLEARLY premeditated.

[@damianrobinson422]

You obviously never heard him rant about the 11th legion. He went crazy.also Magnus does suck. Look at if the emperor could talk.

[@claymoreroomba8]

God moots just gushing over magnus and you can just feel the pressure of rage building in arthur. Like a tea kettle about to pop

[@judeblack4360]

You don't understand: the line "let me recite to you one of my FAVORITE POEMS" doesn't just live rent-free in my brain. It makes all the other memories pay to live there.

[@kalev_knight]

Plot twist abadons top knot is a hair squig

[@Neddicus]

The squig with a bite force so strong even Abadon can't pry it off😂

[@henrypaleveda7760]

please let this be. He fought alongside the emperor with Horus against orks.

[@settratheimperishable7800]

You were the one who made that Vulcan art of him hugging his brothers!? I love that artwork so much! Thank you for gracing the salamanders fanbase with that masterpiece lmao

[@ChaoticVoicesofAndreas]

20 percenters represent

[@chronovac]

I actually got the opposite vibe from Perturabo’s powers. It’s not that he can look at something and see where he can make it better, but it’s that he can look at something and see how it comes apart. He sees the weaknesses, which is both why he was such an effective siege master, and the eternal pessimist

[@michaellee1244]

The smoke alarm in the background proves one of them is a Son of Vulcan.

[@TheGambit644]

😂

[@RKM_DarKo]

"Let me recite you my favorite poem.." destroyed me 😂😂😂

[@HunterSentinel]

Oh hey, I just stumbled onto this…. Sounds like a good quality of audio, podcast, humor, and a nice chemistry too!

[@oceanman1687]

Holy shit. His name is CONNOR!? Who the FUCK is Arthur?!

[@SeaBass215AM]

I loved that short story of Honsou playing a fatherly Regicide game with Perturabo. The death threat just gave the lesson the gravity it needed. He let Honsou win in the end. The Primarch literally could smell his geneseed and noted the resemblance to the Honourable Soulkas.

[@hillbillywizard497]

Konrad Kurze Pro: Crime rate is zero Con: Fear only works if your presence is felt Angron Pro: kills you quickly Con: Possiblity he feels your pain when he kills you? So he makes it quick

[@anthraxcrab2222]

I do want to say that a great thing about Conrad Kurze is whenever he speaks to another primark he always challenges their deepest held beliefs and flaws whether its the lion, dorn, sanguinius. He always has a snarky observation.

[@miguelperez9906]

The blood angels miss there dad so much they started to name everything after him

[@thornfalk]

You guys say Loeken only cared about his job, but half of the first two books are him hanging out with regular humans and hearing about their lives and their studies. His best friend is an ancient orator who tells him stories of old terra and recommends books, he even defended a poet printing and handing out literature *AGAINST* the legion when they trampled a crowd of mourners to rush Horus into the apothecary.

[@ghostparty2062]

Holy crap Arthur is so fricken funny 😂😂 i wanna hang out with these guys so bad 😆

[@lightningwolf788]

Having so many Night Lords friends makes me realize how correct that assessment of Night Lords fans was.

[@Slime_Goblin]

Uh oh, what do u mean?

[@dakotasargent8459]

That big about Leman teaching his sons to enjoy life is why i believe the space wolves to be the most human of the space marines. They laugh, they sing, they party, they mourn, possibly loved, they have pets, they embrace life in a way only humans can. The salamanders are by far the most humane, and like my 2nd favorite factions so dont hate this Vulkan fans 😂

[@papaaeon7210]

Nasir Amit was actually an artist as well. Amit’s Reliquary is a beautifully crafted stasis capsule holding one of the last pure sources of Sanguinius’s blood left in the universe, a feather they collected before it fell to the deck of the Vengeful Spirit. Dante gives it to Gabriel Seth as a reminder that the Flesh Tearers are just as much a inheritor of Sanguinius’s beauty and love for the art as his oceans deep bloodlust and rage. They use it to fight off falling to the Red Thirst and Black Rage during the battles on Baalind.

[@davidwalker5990]

I've rewatched the Magnus section multiple times. It's fucking priceless.

[@thecoopinater]

Arthur’s magnus tangent was the best part of the video no doubt

[@gatall91]

The Primarch Blunt rotation is Jagathai Khan, Magnus, Russ, and maybe Vulkan

[@TheLarsLee]

Magnus would hit you with some seriously deep concepts while you’re stoned, and then give you a warm hug when you inevitably start having a freak out

[@Dootteh318]

Bones is an amazing voice actor

[@jimslater8685]

" Oh nooo it's the spaaace wooolves!"

[@hpenvy1106]

The "stupidity" of Leman Russ is probably an homage to Thor, which was known to be pretty daft as well.

[@battlemole8233]

Do you mean The mordern marvel version?

[@hpenvy1106]

@@battlemole8233 no. The god who drank half an ocean because some giants told him it was mead. He had such a strong "succ" that even today the ocean is still shifting. This is, how the tides came to be. He is portrayed beein really stupid.

[@battlemole8233]

@@hpenvy1106 i maybe wrong but if i remember correctly the giants used magic to cheat ? You are right by the ocean part

[@hpenvy1106]

@@battlemole8233 they gave him a horn of "mead" an challenged him, that he wouldn't be able to empty it. The horn was connected to the sea (probably with a garden hose 😁) I actually don't know about magic, but that would actually make it more plausible. After all seawater isn't sweet mead

[@battlemole8233]

@@hpenvy1106 the giant decided to trick thor because thor tried to end the giant life. To prove their worth and to defend their dignity, the gods challenged the giants to several contests that they believed would play to their personal strengths. These contests included feats of strength, agility, and endurance, and Thor and his companions believed that they could easily win them all. However, as the contests progressed, it became clear that the giant king was using his magic to deceive and outwit the gods. Confident at first, Loki announced that nobody at the castle could eat faster than him and was faced by a giant named Logi in a contest to eat an enormous plate of meat. Loki, known for his insatiable appetite, eagerly took up the challenge, but was quickly outmatched when Logi consumed both his meat, bones and even the wooden dinnerplate faster than Loki could eat just the meat. Thialfi, known to be one of the fastest runners that the world had ever seen, then challenged the giants to a race. Answering his challenge was the giant named Hugi. Time and time again they raced against each other on a mountainous track around the castle, with dismayed Thialfi falling further and further behind in each consecutive race. Outraged by the results, Thor demanded a drinking contest, a pastime that he had an immeasurable skill, practice and pride in. A great horn filled with mead was brought out into the hall by the giant king’s servants, and Thor was challenged to drain it in three breaths. Believing this was an easy challenge, Thor immediately tipped the horn taking powerful gulps from it. However, within minutes of heavy drinking, he noticed that the level of mead in the horn was barely depleting. Surprised, Thor stopped to catch his breath staring at the frothing mead in disbelief, only to return to drinking with redoubled vigor. After his third and final break, the horn was drained only halfway by his efforts. To make a mockery of the gods' attempts to beat giants in their challenges, the giant king Utgarda-Loki pointed his finger at a cat resting in the corner of the great hall and suggested that in the next trial Thor had to be at least able to lift his pet off the ground. Insulted, Thor jokingly accepted the challenge, but quickly found that no matter how hard he tried he could barely lift the cat's front paw off the ground. Furious with the giant king’s trickery, Thor challenged anyone in the castle to wrestle with him. To further ridicule Thor, the giant king called up an elderly servant woman named Elli who was cleaning up the hall after the giants' feast. Even with his great strength and endurance, Thor struggled for hours, but was eventually worn down and defeated by the elderly-looking Elli. The contests were over, and humiliated Thor and his companions spent the night at the castle. Next day, after stepping outside the walls of the castle, Utgarda-Loki revealed to them the true nature of the contests. Even though they lost all of the contests, all of them performed great feats unachievable by mortal men. Loki was competing against the fire itself (Logi - ‘fire’ in Old Norse), but nonetheless he was consuming his food nearly as fast. Thialfi raced against thought itself (Hugi - ‘thought’ in Old Norse), and despite that still made it half way to finish line. The other end of the drinking horn from the feasting contest was connected to the sea, and Thor drank a good half of it before setting the horn down greatly scaring the giants that he would drain it whole. Even the cat was no ordinary pet but the World Serpent in disguise, and Thor still managed to lift part of it in the sky over the already depleted sea. As for the final challenge, the elderly woman was aging itself (Elli - ‘age’ in Old Norse) and Thor took an eternity to be defeated by it.

[@freedomcowboy762]

This was was hilarious haven’t laughed this hard in awhile. Glad I found this channel during the night shift , it’s now my favorite Warhammer podcast.

[@RobTunes]

THE GOD OF LOGISTICS THE SAINT OF SPECIFICS THE ONE AND ONLY, ROBUTE GUILLIMAAAANNNNNNN!

[@Stannyboyyyyyy]

Mozart Intensifies

[@Dark0niro]

Since the boys didn't do a good job on giving an idea of what and who the Alpha legion / Alpharius is (and I don't blame 'em) here's an "everything you need to know about the Alpha legion" comment: ~ If you're interested in exploring them, read Alpharius: Head of the Hydra and avoid this comment (contains spoilers) - **Why are they 2 primarchs?** It is implied that, somehow, both of them share a bond where they only feel _complete_ when they are together. One theory is that his "soul" split when his pod traversed the warp when the primarchs were scattered, explaining the phrase _"One soul, two bodies"_ used when describing them. - **Why is everyone Alpharius?** Alpharius was keen on listening and taking into account the opinion of his legionaries as they provide other perspectives that could be useful in battle and operations. Basically he didn't put himself above (nor below) his legionaries, so being Alpharius serves two purposes: it's confusing to everyone, providing a tactical advantage, and it further unites the legionaries as equals under the same name and purpose. - **Why does the Alpha legion claim themselves as being a massive faction?** As long as you show a skill that the Alpha legion perceives as impressive or useful, you can be recruited by this faction (Psykers are a great example since they are treated as equals here); hence, their big number of _operatives_ . - **Who is the real Alpharius?** It is implied that, during the whole heresy, real Alpharius is posing as Omegon. So anytime you read an interaction where a "primarch Alpharius" is in the center stage and Omegon is in the background, "Omegon" is real Alpharius and "Alpharius" is Omegon. - **What makes Alpharius especial in comparison to Omegon?** Real Alpharius landed on Terra and was found by the Emperor himself, he then was raised in secret under the wing of Malcador who taught him how to hide his presence (even from Malcador) while Omegon landed elsewhere eventually ending up on a xenos planet, fighting to survive. After that, Real Alpharius infiltrated a lot of his brother's factions to gather information on them, even posing as a Custodes and taking part on the Blood Games on Terra. Alpharius was described by the Emperor as _"his shield"_ . - **Isn't Alpharius dead?** _"Alpharius"_ was killed by Rogal Dorn, and from that point on _"Omegon"_ became Alpharius. There's a lot of debate on the way "Alpharius" acted throught this whole ordeal with Rogal, labeling it as _"out of character"_ . Now, however, we can say that there's a big probability that the one who died was the real Omegon, and now Alpharius is not posing as "Omegon" anymore. - **What's the "big plan" they have then, what's with the 4D chess?** We don't know lol. But we can especulate with enough certanty (compared to most information regarding this legion at least) that the Alpha legion (at it's core) is a loyalist faction where Alpharius's objective is to act as the Emperor's secret hand to "protect" or achieve something, a vision that the Emperor had regarding the world perhaps. We must also remember that the Alpha legion's gene seed is described as one of the most stable and pure since it was one of the lasts to be created *_Pros_* : Provides Intelligence-based warfare (incognito mode) reads but also, knowing the rule of thumb that Omegon is Alpharius really gives you new perspectives on most of their appearances. *_Cons_* : Secrecy. Most of the information that I provided here comes from his Primarch book, released in 2021. Without this information they literally feel like loose canons on any read you find them. That's why I can't blame people for not knowing about them or having strong preconcieved opinions on them, and at the same time that's why reading his primarch book is *MANDATORY* if you want to get into them. Hope this helped anyone understand the XXth legion and its primarch(s) better Hydra Dominatus!

[@thehappynurgling3965]

One correction, alpharius wasn't found after infiltrating the other legions and disguising himself as a custodes, he was found first and then did all of those things after being tutored by malcador

[@Dark0niro]

@@thehappynurgling3965 edited the comment accordingly

[@redline841]

Alpha Legion are Chaotic Loyalists or Loyal Traitors

[@Gazza-eo3ei]

Magnus actually did do alot right, the big problems associated with him came from his arrogance but he really did alot of good. He actively encouraged his legion to spend time with other legions to learn from them and develop friendships. he did encourage his marines to develope hobbies and prepare themselves for when after the crusade was over, like you said in the podcast Ahriman (I have no idea how to spell his name) grew wine in a vineyard Magnus actually did (although reluctantly) put alot of restraints on his marines and the amount of psychic powers they could use, it was just Magnus himself who thought he didn't need any restrictions He was considered one of the smartest and wisest of the primarchs, he spent much of his time searching for lost knowledge and secrets that could help humanity advance. He went around nikea the wrong way but honestly in fairness to him it really didn't make alot of sense banning psychers. Out of all the legions you have Mortarion as the only one who was completely against their use, Leman Russ technically was as well but like, wolf priests, literally just psychers, Russ was such an idiot and hypocrite that it's funny. Of the rest of the primarchs you have Corax, Dorn and the Lion who are distrustful of psychers but they still utilise them because they're so useful (actually I have no idea if the raven guard used psychers but I haven't found anything that tells me otherwise). Literally the council didn't make much sense, every other legion either supported or at least didn't mind psychers. Magnus had good reason to be arrogant about it at the council it didn't make alot of sense to ban them, at worst you have 2 legions completely opposed to them, the rest were either passive or supportive. Anyway I was ranting, moving on. He actively tried to make friends with other primarchs, especially other outcasts like the Khan and Perturabo. He was tricked by the literal god of manipulation and change so I feel you can't exactly be angry at him for falling for that, he sacrificed his eye to try and save his legion because he cared for his sons that deeply (I haven't found this excerpt yet so if I'm wrong correct me) when he tried to reach Horus to try to stop him turning traitor he came across a similar barrier that he ran into while trying to reach and warn the emperor, it's reasonable to assume that this was a barrier placed by a warp entity to try and stop him from warning the emperor, the warp being that had previously saved his legion offered him help, he had no logical reason to refuse. He regretted his actions and was willing to let the space wolves destroy his planet and legion to stop him from inevitably siding with traitors, remember that Tzeentch offered to destroy the space wolf fleet but he refused, just so we're clear on this, he refused to have a loyal legion destroyed even if it meant all of their deaths. It was at the very end where his will broke when he couldn't stand his sons being killed anymore. During the heresy he helped in the resurrection of Vulkan, and saved Nykona Sharrowkyn, which activity led to the creation of the primaris marines. I know this comment is massive but honestly Magnus did do alot right, or at least his reasoning made sense for a good portion of it.

[@MootsTheFunnySwede]

Honestly agree a lot

[@Wolfbroa]

Man few of these just not even good. Doesn’t matter if he only put the restrictions on his legion especially as you said he didn’t do so to himself. Like makes sense if he more gonna have more freedom dude like top 4 psyker in the setting but it’s literally irrelevant as everything that got the thousand sons to that point is Magnus. He busted the hole on Tera he fucked that up so while sure he did it on his legion it literally makes zero difference so can’t even say that was a good thing. Honestly way you said it could’ve come of hypocritical having others do it but not him being he thinks he just better? Nikea made plenty of sense people seem to forget that daemons and warp beings were not the norm and many chapters event the ultramarines I think had a “first time experience” in fighting demonic beings, hell the whole dang horus heresy started because Horus ran into chaos being and it fucked him up by surprise with lack of knowledge as all will have. So while psykers were useful they definitely were not the absolute necessity at the time. Especially as whole major downsides of psykers is that kept having back fire moments. Hell one of the problems was magnus was careless with the warp in many ways while believing he had all the power and knowledge that even after one his marines turned into a fecken chaos spawn, don’t remember if it was in front of leman or if he just saw it, but that absolutely justified the topic, made sense and obviously of dang concern to watch over your living portals to hell. I don’t even want to get into the space wolves side, always hilarious how people who have entire franchise at their fingertips reading the books from perspective of them but of course never do that for the space wolves, why try to see it from their perspective it’s easier to ignore it and be angry then to understand simple concept that only the dang emperor in all of humanity has any real possible knowledge of if space wolves can use fenris as warp conductor or filter of warp sorcery, he’ll think white scars literally do the same thing but not sure on their home world lore. Honestly being ticked it not that much an excuse as most of the problems wouldn’t have happened and he likely would be a loyalist if he was bit more humble at himself specifically. And honestly caring about his sons not really a high bar idk if I’m a give him that, even kurze and perty loved their sons in some ways, only really angron that didn’t. Ok that’s the problem though, it’s good he regret pied his actions but willing to let the space wolves destroy him is most wrong of wrong he has done, well second at least just simply talking to leman or even surrendering himself with no thousand son escort could have prevented so many possible deaths, that is an absolute wrong, doesn’t matter if he was sad or loved his sons he wouldn’t have had at least near erasing of his planet if he did anything but be a moron in a corner, like this wasn’t just war to war leman sent messages to get in contact for him to idk say anything at all. Idk how you considered this a good thing he needlessly didn’t do a thing, not killing an entire legion not a good thing as he knows not only is that stupid for a genuine wrong he did but literally bending over backwards not giving a shit only to act like he some good guy for not wanting his sons to die anymore? Fecken maybe non would have died at all if he did anything. Also I never heard of that Vulkan story and primaris that is very interesting if anyone can tell me where that is from please I’m curious

[@henrypaleveda7760]

Agree that he did do a lot right and that his mistakes are understandable, but frankly he deserves the flack he gets. Just wish that more pro Magnus arguments looked like your comment.

[@Gazza-eo3ei]

@@Wolfbroa this is going to be several replies because for some reason I can't scroll up to check what you said while typing this, so sorry about the multiple notifications when you see this anyway. The whole thing about Magnus not putting bans in himself while still limiting his legion, I get what you mean he was a hypocrite, but in all honesty he is arguably the second most powerful psysker to exist and every time he'd used the warp he'd been proven right or at least nothing bad had come of it, the flesh change had been around before Magnus was found and was a prominent problem, the emperor was unable to solve the flesh change with his vast knowledge of the warp and material sciences, so when magnus was able to do what the literal master of mankind was not you are going to develop a bit of a superiority complex, for a good portion of the great crusade the flesh change wasn't around because of magnus. As for the thousand sons, their numbers remained small because they still had a very high geneseed rejection rate but nothing really happened. The whole thing with breaking the webway barrier into the imperial palace was due to him encountering a similar webway gate when he tried to warn Horus, from his point of view this was another barrier in his place to stop him from trying to aid the loyalists, should he have used regular astropath communication? Probably, but his method was faster, guaranteed to reach Terra, and he had absolutely no reason to suspect that the webway portal was put in place by his father who was working on his webway project in secret. His reasoning was completely sound and well thought out.

[@Gazza-eo3ei]

@@Wolfbroa nikea made absolutely no sense, I will willingly concede that chaos demons and demonic incursions were not the norm and were kept secret/didn't really happen. However most legions had encountered warp creatures at some point or another during the crusade, it almost always required the librarians or massive casualties to fight back any demonic battles, space marines and certainly the primarchs new of warp creatures and were capable of fighting them, it was the whole literal demons of hell and chaos gods they had no idea about, as far as they were concerned they were more equivalent to hostile xenos from another dimension, sort of what the tau thought upon first encountering demons, the librarians were the key force that could fight them, even the legions that's hadn't encountered warp entities, had definitely faced xenos races with potent psychic powers and again the librarians were the perfect weapon to use against them.

[@lunarflarion7711]

"No one takes the piss out of Rogal Dorn-" -Astartes Anonymous "Hm. No." -TTS Rogal Dorn

[@drew6145]

Alpharius once went on a mission where he murked Alpharius. He then reported back to Alpharius about killing Alpharius who was mad Alpharius killed Alpharius. And this whole time nobody in this meme story is Alpharius

[@kingleech16]

Take a shot every time Arthur slags a character… If you survive, you can survive being turned into a space marine!

[@noblereflex8332]

Signing up for AAA ahead of time in that case 😂😂😂

[@kingleech16]

@@noblereflex8332 Alcoholic Astartes Anonymous?

[@noblereflex8332]

@@kingleech16 Space wolves make up 90% of our attendance 🤣🤣🤣

[@DJ_Penguin]

I gotta defend magnus. It's not that he didn't do anything wrong, it's just that it wasn't his fault. He has Big E levels of psychic power. Most everyone on prospero were psykers and up until the Horus heresy, there was nothing wrong with that. Big E just told him to stop, and refused to elaborate and warn him about the ruinous powers. If he knew about tzeentch before hand, he never would have fallen to chaos. If big E didn't send the fucking space wolves, prospero prolly wouldn't have burned. If Big E had told him about the webway project, there wouldn't be a giant warp rift sitting behind the golden throne. Basically, if Big E had explained anything to magnus, and really only magnus, Big E wouldn't have been interred on the golden throne, the damage dealt to the horus heresy would have been easy to fix.

[@joshgladfelter9597]

This is a great episode. Some people from the outside think that dudes that are into Warhammer are just about this hyper masculine violent setting… but over the years is the lore has addressed so many complex emotional issues. It’s amazing that something can be so silly yet so profound at the same time.

[@Crouza]

The Alpha Legion, I want to say as someone who has kept up with their lore, is probably my favorite because their bullshit memery is canonized. The reason why nobody can tell what side the Alpha Legion is on? Because they fractured into different contingency plans, covert ops, psy ops, special operations, and counter intelligence cadre's to the point that they can no longer tell whom is even in the Alpha Legion anymore. The way it was described in Harrowmaster is you could have 2 alpah legion marines pass each other in the street, who utilize entirely different call signs and signals that have diverged so much, that neither could even recognize the other. They're doing their spy thing but because there is nobody to take the helm of the legion, they're basically all flying blind. Additionally, the Alpha Legion are aware of how stupid the "I am Alpharius" bit is. They all scream at someone when they step up and say "I am alpharius" in harrowmaster. The Horus Heresy fucked these guys up because their own Primarchs had plans none of them knew, and has left them all completely directionless to fall to chaos, become heretics, or stay loyalists. They also use this to their advantage greatly, because the Alpha Legion are just good at lying and manipulating. They use the dogmatic stance of the Imperiums culture to get them to turn on each other by pulling rank as a loyalist chapter. A group of 8 marines in a rhino manage to destabilize the planet by giving the fake report that the governer has been declared a heretic and that they're there to purge them as membhers of the Iron Snakes chapter. And they say after their mission that it doesn't matter if their mission succeeded or failed. The moment the imperium realized the Alpha Legion was invovled, they will dedicate decades of manpower and resoruces combing over every transmission, every document, every second of the events, trying to parse out what the alpha legions true purpose or motivation or actions in this conflict were, even when it's as simple as "We need to get some supplies. Lets take it from this planet." They chase ghosts and conspiracies and waste precious time, manpower, and resources to do so, and meanwhile the small alpha legion warband has long since moved on to doing something else.

[@Willathy_]

“This year I’ll do it” has to be one of the most menacing line I’ve heard 😭

[@Lancersilva]

Perty in the heresy was that one kid in a group project who did the whole thing himself because he knew his teammates were gonna fuck it up.

[@Gopher286]

Oh my god, you guys killed magnus harder than he killed the webway project 😂😂😂

[@jaredezrin5002]

This episode is actually amazing

[@kobejones2732]

Oh boy I can’t wait to see what they have to say about my favorite primarch, Magnus the R-

[@GenuinelyHorriblePerson]

"And this year I'm really gunna do it" 😂 thank you, I'm gunna start using that when I introduce myself.

[@8ball279]

Autism and Headcannon, the shaking foundation of all 40k

[@davideddy8557]

I would love to see a third primarch come to the surface for the Alpha Legion. The hydra has three heads, so let's sow some real confusion.

[@Carrisonfire1]

This episode is incredible. I've been rewatching it weekly since release.

[@onlyxenolord7494]

o my god emperor that whole Magnus bit had me unable to breath.

[@TimeMaster0]

With Alpha Legion disguising themselves as base humans, I really like to think of it as the Alpha Legion not being that good at their job, I like to think that everyone else is just too stupid to notice that John from accounting suddenly put on 350lbs of muscle and grew a foot and a half overnight when I think of it like that it makes me chuckle a little bit every time I paint a new Alpha Legion mini.

[@pablonunalvares5391]

About Fulgrim being a great smith, every Primarch is class S in smithing and such, but Vulkan is the best smith in artifacts and "impossible" shit, Ferrus was able to reverse engineer in godly levels (Gorgon Termies were his attempt in improving DAOT designs) and Pertie was a legendary machine engineer...

[@johnrad9512]

I would argue that there still is some personality to the Alpha Legion twins. I would highly recommend taking a look at Rogal Dorn’s meeting with Alpharius in the book “Praetorian of Dorn”. Alpharius (whichever twin it really was) argued that results were all that mattered. The death of 500 world leaders and their relatives through assassination was preferable over far more deaths of soldiers through ordinary warfare. He also argued that his nature is no accident and is what the Emperor had intended him to be. The Emperor is aware of him and his methods and has taken no issue with them or make any corrections. Taking issue with his methods would be akin to taking issue with what the Emperor intended him to be.

[@TheTimberwolf44]

Just found y'all, started listening to your vids, but that Magnus rant is what convinced me to subscribe, holy crap.

[@ferro9926]

"astartes anonymous" > says everyone's name within a minute of the episode's start

[@nobleinexile4296]

I think its more that we are addicted to space marines and here together to share and talk about our addiction lol.

[@Direwolf1771]

Arthur Bones: I think we’d all love an elaboration on the Twin Primarchs Theory, if you please. 😁

[@tjrivelli5785]

Imagine how them and adeptus ridiculous would be in a video

[@rank4100]

Can we please get a soundboard of "I wonder which of my siblings burnt their pizza" please

[@rgambl2]

One con to Magnus and pro to leman was that when leman rocked up to prospero he called Magnus first and begged him to not make him do what he did and Magnus didn’t answer the phone because he was so stuck up his own ass

[@Glumnut]

Ferrus Manus is the Tutankhamun of Warhammer, the most notable thing he ever did was die - I regret nothing about this take 💀

[@eg_manifest510]

keep regretting nothing, it's completely true

[@josecoronadonieto6911]

Chaotic voices has reached 40k subs, celebrate his coronation with 40.000 warhammers

[@MootsTheFunnySwede]

Well deserved! Love that beautiful mans work!

[@nikoazure5235]

Arthur is one of those people who even when he likes something he hates them lmao

[@oniisamaskull]

calling the horus heresy a " little incident" is wild

[@scottm7079]

I don’t mind rambling episodes personally. I’m here to hear you guys talk about (mostly) 40k, so the specifics of the topic don’t really matter to me as much as just hearing you guys’ takes in general.

[@6ftTiny216]

White Scar fanboy here, and I need to interject (like a fken nerd. My apologies in advance): Not only does Jaghatai have a character arc, it is also quite relatable, as per his theme, and it is - ironically, because he is a big manly man - the stoory of becoming a REAL man. The WS motto always has been 'Withdraw, but then return', which pretty much encompasses their battle doctrine and life philosophy. So throught the three books on them, JK is convinced he and his legion can outrun any threat, sort of feeding into the flighty, non-engaging perception the rest of the Emperium has of them. And it is true - they do not want to engage with the rest of the Emperium, sort of doing their own thing. This serves them well at the start of the Heresy, but it also costs them half their legion in a revolt but the warrior lodge attendants, those having adopted a new motto - 'No backwards step', popularised by the philosophy of Horus prevalent in the lodges. This discrepancy rears its head again Path of Heaven, where we see the WS at an impass, where their philosophy of maintaining distance - both literally and figuratively- has failed them, them slowly getting boxed in by Death Guard and Emperor's Children over a period of 3-4 years on their way to Terra. Their tactics aren't working, the enemy is no longer allowing themselves to be caught by surprise. And so the WS and Jaghatai are getting into the mood for a final stand, with their understanding of a warriorss way of life having been found lacking. They do make a getaway in the end, but at the cost of many sacrifices. Finally, in Warhawk, JK fully accepts the notion that he has been one of the lucky primarchs, having had the chance to do whatever he pleases, and the time has come when it's time to make the hard choices. He even notes that they have been too indulgent all this time, making a nod to Rogal? Who, accoeding to Jaghatai, has denied himself all his life. It's a bit of a 'if he can do it, so can we' moment. There is also emphasis on him coming to if not accept, at least understand the reasons behind the lies of the Emperial truth The whole thing culminates in an the epic attack on the Lion's Gate Space port, where the WS pull out all the stops, finally accept the fact that they have to diversify their thinking and tactics, and charge the port with a full armada of tanks besides them and a friggin orbital plate covering their advance from traitor forces bombardments. Finally, Jaghatai confronts Mortarion, takes insane amounts of punishment. Perhaps to punish himself in one go and to test his own endurance, since he never has before. And, finally, at the end, having been forced by the world to withdraw from what he thought himself to be, going into this live experience contemplation about his own nature, he can fully accept himself again, this time not as a distant presence, but as a protector, right in the thick of things, enagaged and present in the world, he finally 'dances' (how his swordplay is described many times) again, beheading and banishing Mortarion. Then he does fall, but he is, luckily, reconstituted, as we know. So he does three whidrawl-returns - once at the start of the Heresy to know where he stands, once during it to know who he is, and once more in the end, so the GW can fuck it up and make us wait for him for another decade or so.

[@Waffle-Habit]

Man this was better than I thought that it was going to be. This is awesome.

[@joshualutes6536]

The magnus section of this video made me smile ear to ear the whole way through. Thank you and hope you guys have good day👍

[@MootsTheFunnySwede]

Thank you right back, have a great one as well ❤

[@guga5708156]

Vulkan is shaped like a friend

[@aguspuig6615]

i feel like Vulkan would say that instead of ''friend shaped'' ''this creature is shaped like a friend!''

[@dratesdragetes777]

Hope to see Arthur on this podcast more often!

[@chandraray7798]

technically alpharius had the most time with the emperor, maybe.

[@luisvegaazua9148]

I definitely need that Primarch pairs theory explained!

[@retroplays5075]

ive just found this podcast and im glad i did im gonna binge watch all the episodes now

[@WesAG23]

Since no one else has done it... Uuuuuuh Hi! Good seeing Mr Bones

[@janematthews9087]

I just realized that Mr. bones sometimes sound like Norm Macdonald when he raises his voice a bit.

[@nox9086]

1:25:20 if the emperor had 20 Khans they would have all betrayed him and wouldn’t even use chaos

[@Pragabond]

Aside from Stormseers but yeah no overt chaos gods/corruption

[@cuhlainnslane1564]

I like fulgrim specifically because he is the most tragic primarch. He was doomed because of one minor vain moment of picking up a sword. He was otherwise 100% loyal right up until the demon sword started corrupting him. I also kind of like just how much of an asshole he becomes after he falls, just straight up the most evil of them (although I would argue that it isnt all him and that even as a daemon hes still a fusion of himself and that sword daemon). Like people say magnus did nothing wrong, but fulgrim legitimately did nothing wrong (except do what every other of his brothers and spacemarines would do which is pick up a war trophy). Im a sucker for tragedies though.

[@Hawko1313]

The tragedy is how KZbin short edits portray fulgrim because he’s not a self insert power fantasy and follows an actual character arch that ends in his downfall

[@soulsnatcher9696]

Russ is just Viking goku his brain is more useful on the battlefield then literally anywhere else lol.

[@dakotasargent8459]

Im sorry, Sexiest Servoskull in the 40k community is Baldermort

[@doomslayerprime9749]

2:03:40 by God besides the whole Magnus part was absolutely hilarious and absolute perfection 👌

[@nahhfam7678]

I would love Lorgar having full redemption arc. His haunting by Corax and locked away in meditation, he goes full circle and returns as the Penitent. Fully surrendering to Gulliman and offering his services to the Imperium, obviously no one trusts Lorgar and all he did so he is imprisoned in the vaults beneath Terra. However they could wither go with the full imperial Creed and is seen as a neccessary evil as he boosts miracles and seems to display the ability to allow posession of Corax hence Gulliman is like oh shit thats definately him, we need him right now OR he becomes a direct parralel to the Emperor and his full rejection of religion recognised in Lorgar by Valdor. He "Joins" the Custodes as a special unit where he ALWAYS takes the field with his captors/allies as the vanguard of the Imperium. The flopside being that it warps Corax's conflicted spirit.

[@ghostparty2062]

It would be so cool if a thew primarchs traded places, so going chaos and some becoming loyal. It'll never happen but it'd be so cool

[@davidturmel1107]

I’ve listened to this 4 times and I laugh my a$$ off every time

[@cthebesien5805]

one think that I like about Magnus is that he actively tryed to save Horus from the Warpgod because he cared

[@RetroRadianceLight]

look what that caring got us to

[@bigbardvods]

@@RetroRadianceLightanother thing Magnus did wrong

[@kingleech16]

@@bigbardvods If Magnus did anything right the entire setting would implode, all models would turn into cheerios, and the Vikings would win the Superbowl.

[@Tropicoboy]

I was showering when listening to this and the fire alarm make me literly jump out of the shower and check upstairs.. the floor was very wet lol

[@RobTunes]

So every time I try to tell my friends that I like the Salamanders because they value human life, they’re like “bUt ThEy MuRdEr tOo” and it’s exhausting. What could I say in response? the Vulkan Hugs His Brothers art is glorious

[@michaelblevins1651]

Explain to him that he murders man made horrors beyond most normal people’s comprehension and that these are beings that would kill him dozens of times over if given the chance and that Vulcan is a saint compared to his brothers

[@bigbardvods]

Grab the nearest hammer and prove them right

[@christophersmith8848]

They're the soldiers who fight because they love what is behind them, bot because they hate what is in front on them.

[@mikesecondname]

2:30:29 Corvus Corax is cool as shit, Arthur. You take that back! If Fulgrim can be a pervy snek, my boy can be an angry bird.

[@BraveSpy]

I like wolfes and Leman, because they blunt as fuck and know what others think about them and just roll with it. Whithin their walls they are honest dudes, sing sagas shit, but outside they turn "savagery" up to 11 and dicking around.

[@bagelenjoyer3437]

Very real

[@SeaBass215AM]

Perturabo is a chad. Some bad writing decisions shouldn't ruin your love for the Iron Warriors. Complicated Primarch, deleted childhood memories due to the knowledge download. He also had Hell stare at him and He renamed the maelstrom "The Eye of Terror" by changing the Imperium's star map to distinguish it from a duplicated star entry. I love that he had the known galaxy memorized. His childhood amnesia and ending up in a Royal Court of intrigues would twist anyone. He could navigate in the Warp using The Eye , just as a navigator uses The Astronomicon. BuBut Sanguinius had wings and he is so beautiful! Who cares. Perturabo was twisted by ambition and raised by a people that saw practically over friendship. The World Eaters (post butcher's nails) respected the Iron Warriors martial culture and quiet stoicism.

[@ubpoperator6649]

1:38:34 just thinking about the black rage pre heresy just some blood angel going ballistic like “Uncle Horus is gonna kill Dad!!!!”

[@christophersmith8848]

"WHY AM I SO ANGRY AT HORUS RIGHT NOW? AHHHHH!"

[@Albertius-Omygod]

Imagine The Emperor's face when Magnus shows up lol

[@KCUFyoufordoxingme]

"Thank you for doing everything last thing that was required for me not to have become the Black King."

[@greg_mca]

Fun fact about the white paint: while lead is obviously poisonous, titanium dioxide is practically inert, meaning it is used everywhere in the food industry as an artificial colouring. Most famously, in chicken nuggets, since they chicken really should look a lot darker and messier, and that is seen as too unappetising vs adding white pigment that the body simply does not digest because it can't do anything with it

[@beetee6986]

"We may have a slightly longer episode thean usual" Almost four hours later

[@AMcCarthy83]

Some of the takes here could melt the surface of the sun.. holy terra!

[@aratay3117]

Which ones?

[@AMcCarthy83]

@ yes.

[@roanferguson8873]

Honestly, Saturnine sold me on Dorn and the fists. Partially on the White Scars, too, but mostly the fists. Between Dorn just dunking on Fulgrim and his surprising wit, i couldnt help but love the guy

[@azrael1045]

Magnus did nothing wrong..... yes! He was told to do nothing and he did it wrong

[@ironcellgamer8174]

Ok so I got the part where they talked about the Lion. And I kinda realized something. His arc almost follows the growth of Artoria Pendragon from the Fate stay night series. And I love this!!!

[@dr.stronk9857]

2:29:31 I think the way they should do it is make Corvus look more threatening and evil and make lorgar look more like a good guy, it would be an interesting subversion

[@voxcasttonowhereofficial]

14:12 Not only The Emperor's leaving fucked him up, but answering to the Lords of Terra (comprised of bureaucratic humans who've never fought or bled like the countless astartes Horus fought with) telling him what to do was a tipping point as well. Also, Horus definitely saw astartes as being above human, and Horus Rising and False Gods touched on the idea of "What happens for the war machines when there is no more war?" He felt like humans would just step on the backs of the astartes who died reclaiming the galaxy, and the astartes would be forgotten after they're no longer needed. Honestly, a whole episode could be done dissecting Horus Rising and False Gods for all the things that were itching at Horus and made it easier for him to snap.

[@gregtso7505]

This. Hope you get 10k soon, my guy.

[@voxcasttonowhereofficial]

​@gregtso7505 Thanks a million, G 🙌🏾