Learn Dota 2 - Advanced Warding Part 1

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@Dudezaawr
@Dudezaawr 12 жыл бұрын
I just want to add that when you place the ward @5:12 you could put it just a little bit to the left and you will also have the vision down the path to Radiant's mid T2 tower. Which grants you a few extra seconds to see and react to incoming ganks if you are not good at looking on the minimap
@Derimos
@Derimos 12 жыл бұрын
XV has one of the best guides on youtube. Good job.
@reddaylite
@reddaylite 10 жыл бұрын
Excellent guide. I'm thinking of picking up a team at my college and since Dota 2 support is a bit more complicated than LoL, I'm picking it up (formally a hard carry).
@bigfactsbroski
@bigfactsbroski 12 жыл бұрын
The Radiant wards that's not covered is the ones you can launch into the dire base while standing on the low ground on the other side of the wall. This is super useful for taking towers and stopping channels like SK epicenter.
@eltoto48
@eltoto48 12 жыл бұрын
was about to comment the same ^^ that kind of wards is crucial to make a good break into the enemy base, without being caught by the enemy team initiating you
@C05597641
@C05597641 11 жыл бұрын
I love going solo as Clinkz while four of my team occupies 5 of theirs. He can take a tower on his own no problem and has an escape mechanism that makes it easy to escape if their team is good enough to respond. Also dropping wards everywhere is pretty easy. Great hero if you gotta play every role in the trench.
@Dragiux
@Dragiux 12 жыл бұрын
Press skill. Hold shift and press another skill. Do note that second action will always go after animation of first action is finished. Of course, you also should note that there is no limit for actions that can be queued at the same time. But if there is an attack (?) in the middle of that queue, it will pretty much ignore actions that are after the attack command.
@obidobi2000
@obidobi2000 12 жыл бұрын
There are spots where you can ward inside the enemy base before having taken the tier 3. This is insanely useful when trying to push against a turtling team and then catching an enemy off-guard with a pudge hook or mirana arrow.
@firedrake110
@firedrake110 12 жыл бұрын
I remember spellsy's warding guide from a LONG time ago on the THR, and it covered nearly all of this, and much more. I'm glad this topic is getting attention again =D
@Chee42
@Chee42 12 жыл бұрын
It's not the vision that blocks the spawn it's the proximity to the spawn. You need to be much closer to the spawn to actually block. If you don't have a good feel for the distance just putting the ward on top of the spawn works but there are some really pro blocking positions.
@rmlmax
@rmlmax 7 жыл бұрын
This is very useful even considering a new map. The principles of warding are great. Thank you for making this video.
@MrYourSalvation
@MrYourSalvation 12 жыл бұрын
Btw there is a ward, that you can place on dire's highground when tier 3 tower is standing.Just stay little bit lower from mid lane and place it near the trees on HG.
@kiriappeee
@kiriappeee 12 жыл бұрын
he's actually done that video on his channel where he explains how to play the roles of support, ganker and carry. explanations are done across three videos with one video being done for each role
@TheCray123456789
@TheCray123456789 12 жыл бұрын
You can actually place wards inside of the bases along the upper rim between the tire 3 towers. It makes it a lot easier if you're having a hard time making that final push to rax.
@GhuyGuldY
@GhuyGuldY 12 жыл бұрын
1 thing is missing from this guide: I usually place a ward inside their base just b4 we push the 3rd tier tower. this ward can either be between top and middle or middle and bottom and can provide us vital information b4 we initiate.
@kiriappeee
@kiriappeee 12 жыл бұрын
I really can't wait for the dire wards game play. For some reason I find myself in the dire team about 70% of the games. Trying to invert his suggestions but it's a little difficult.
@ziegogoboy
@ziegogoboy 12 жыл бұрын
1:23.... glad to see the tide with his fail ravage was balance out by that viper and earthshaker. THAT DOUBLE DENY
@indu95
@indu95 12 жыл бұрын
I need part 2! I've been SO successful, on the radiant as a warding support. But I just use the defensive wards on the dire, for offense and vice versa for defense. There must be wards you haven't gone over and we need the new video... NOW
@DrouGluiN
@DrouGluiN 12 жыл бұрын
Dendi made a great guid on that. Granted its in dota 1, but it applies to dota 2 too. "Dendi talks dota how to solo mid". The audio gets better. Hope you enjoy it!
@snicp
@snicp 12 жыл бұрын
left side from the medium camp, youll see 3 small bushes, its the middle one that will cover both There is a screen shot of it somewhere on joindota youll have to search it up though
@totalcucumber
@totalcucumber 12 жыл бұрын
That is up on purge's page, i highly recommend to look it up
@tomemozok
@tomemozok 12 жыл бұрын
Learn Orb Effects(Attack Modifiers) Basically what stacks with what,and abilities working or not with attack modifiers
@TikTok6oclock
@TikTok6oclock 12 жыл бұрын
Great insights, but I think putting an offensive ward on the edge of the Dire base when pushing T3 to give vision of the defenders is very crucial to winning game-breaking teamfights.
@RedeNElla
@RedeNElla 12 жыл бұрын
You mentioned that it's going to be a part of the warding guide, so I won't submit it as a "Learn Dota 2 - .... ", but the toughest thing with warding (for me at least) is knowing when you need to ward (remembering when they're going to run out) as well as when it's safe to ward. I've died too many times going to ward, and then my teammates complain cos there's not wards up and I'm dying too much :(
@yohanjapal
@yohanjapal 12 жыл бұрын
Turtling is a strategy used commonly by chinese teams where they take a carry and 3 support/1 semi carry, the 4 people gank, ward, push and hold the game while the carry farms long enough for him to own the opposing team heroes and win the match for them
@chiabacem-ism
@chiabacem-ism 12 жыл бұрын
3:15 That ward is actually superior in some cases. Especially Roshan killers like Ursa and Lycan. Trust me, you can 5-man gank them and continue where they left off.
@JosephCrawfordThe6th
@JosephCrawfordThe6th 12 жыл бұрын
Sadly, bkb doesn't solve everything. Sometimes you don't really need the protection, but the ability to seal off an specific enemy hero. Take an orchid for example, to seal the AoE monster that's kicking your team (not every teammate can farm a bkb, and the Pipe only goes so far). Or a blademail to counter a hard carry, a MKB to counter evasion, etc. That's what I was referring to.
@MushroomKing30
@MushroomKing30 12 жыл бұрын
i agree, i'm filipino and a large portion of pinoy pub players never pick support/suck at support/don't know what's a support. On an average game, you'd be lucky to see even 1 support, much less warding. in the philippines, warding is REALLY UNDERRATED
@greendayrocker86
@greendayrocker86 12 жыл бұрын
He's done lane configuration as he calls it. Ganking on the other hand is rather simple, but it's knowing when to gank and where to come from. That largely depends on their warding and who it's against, ergo very situational.
@allenluy
@allenluy 12 жыл бұрын
Learn Dota 2 - Thank you so much for the guide!
@Kyogameplayss
@Kyogameplayss 12 жыл бұрын
Jungle camps, timing and monster spawns as well as rune spawns
@Sackperson95
@Sackperson95 9 жыл бұрын
Learn Dota 2 - Creep Blocking and Blocking in Ganks What I mean by blocking in ganks is that in professional games I see a heroes with no stun gank the offlane and one ally blocks the enemy so that the other ally can attack. Please make a tutorial/demonstration of this!
@afsmopomsafafo
@afsmopomsafafo 9 жыл бұрын
I just wish people would believe that I know where I am warding . . .
@mysticmilotic2810
@mysticmilotic2810 8 жыл бұрын
+Gazump ! #supportlife
@Mr9SKY
@Mr9SKY 12 жыл бұрын
Man, this is good! Thanks! Looking forward to Dire's. Learn Dota2 - Trees
@worldsxaway7988
@worldsxaway7988 9 жыл бұрын
this needs an update
@CeLesTiaLRampaGe
@CeLesTiaLRampaGe 12 жыл бұрын
dude this guide was quite good. i like it!
@FumfelDudi
@FumfelDudi 12 жыл бұрын
Nice guide but i think you should explain better how do wards you mentioned work for both (radiant and dire) sides. Pointing that out since you focused alot on radiant's perception. Also you didnt mention about warding in enemy base from low ground before pushing tier 3 towers. It's also very important since it provides you with knowledge about enemy defensive positions.
@SkimScar
@SkimScar 12 жыл бұрын
ofc i'm talking about the lane wards on the short and hardlane.
@kuwpale
@kuwpale 12 жыл бұрын
This guide is good but not good enough for competitive as opposed to his claims. 1) No ward on pulling areas, 2) Did not include the offensive ward for btm lane just below the 3rd tier tower provides excelent vision for gankers (on early phase). 3)3:13 ward is not bad specially if you want to secure power ups. Plus the alternate location just covers most of the radiant jungle area which i think is a waste.4) Ward placement on 5:30 is actually best placed when 3rd tier tower for Dire is still up.
@BloodRose111
@BloodRose111 12 жыл бұрын
Knowing when it's a dangerous situation and when it is safe.
@Decapin
@Decapin 12 жыл бұрын
Sweet I've been wait for this a long time :D
@awesomeaskillerjan69
@awesomeaskillerjan69 12 жыл бұрын
Learn Dota 2 - best pick for captains mode and starting items for the support, carry etc. at the captains mode.
@jjjjjjeeeeeeffffff
@jjjjjjeeeeeeffffff 10 жыл бұрын
Recently went from LoL (platinum 3-4, but got tired of it) to Dota2, and im having a real hard time because i have no clue what all the heroes can do. You have any tips on how i can get better? or do i just have to learn what everyone can do the hard way? :)
@clickedbigfoot
@clickedbigfoot 10 жыл бұрын
Each hero is diverse. Youre just going to have to learn what each can do by practice, and seeing them in action over and over. On the bright side, theres less heroes in dota than in league.
@zhanibek8384
@zhanibek8384 10 жыл бұрын
I played Dota 1 before, but was a long time ago so I had to learn everything back again. I found useful to use win rates and charts of the most popular heroes in order to learn more about my potential opponent. I took top 20 in both charts and just read all their abilities. Checked counter picks and then I decided to main 4 heroes: pudge, legion commander, BH and tidehunter (due to the win rate, simple control and because they don't require advanced and complex mechanics). That helps a lot.
@WitjaNerd
@WitjaNerd 10 жыл бұрын
***** "main". "i am a hard carry player". forget these concepts. they don't work unless you are on a professional level. and even the pros can play every role. diversity and understanding of all roles and heroes makes or breaks a good dota player.
@zhanibek8384
@zhanibek8384 10 жыл бұрын
WitjaNerd I didn't quite understand you. Everything I said was "try to concentrate on few heros. learn how to do well with them. It will help you in the beginning".
@jalalasif7471
@jalalasif7471 10 жыл бұрын
Yeah, its pretty intimidating at first. Here's what I did when I started out. Look up heroes I find cool in KZbin, you know, the Spotlight videos, explaining their abilities and roles etc. If I enjoy the hero, then play that hero for the next 10~ games or so. Then attempt to understand what heroes, items and abilities can counter you and why. Eg: Doom is a very powerful hero that can potentially disable almost every hero in the game (Ulti= 16 seconds of ability mute+item mute+heavy damage over time); but his ulti is single target, so if you team up, hes not so tough, and is easily countered by heavy right click heroes like Drow, Phantom Assassin etc who doesn't rely completely on active item abilities (not item, active item abilites, mind you!) and skills, with moderate farm (I know there's a lot of arguments here, but trying to keep it simple, ok?). Then move on to your next favourite hero, and rinse and repeat. Understand one hero completely, like really well! Doing so automatically grants you a passive idea of what types of hero are weak against what and how to counter items, heroes, play styles, lanes etc. Doing this really expands your understanding of the game, what your team needs, and what items etc to get when the enemy team has counter heroes. Learn one thing at a time, and learn it well =). Hope this helps xD!
@Puuppamies
@Puuppamies 12 жыл бұрын
@ 7:11 the best dire team I have ever seen
@3007von
@3007von 12 жыл бұрын
Learn Dota - How to initiate a team fight when or when not to fight? When do we have to trade tower?
@DormantJester
@DormantJester 12 жыл бұрын
It is part 1 of a series, so you have to assume that ward on camps is going to be in the following episodes
@rambonia666
@rambonia666 12 жыл бұрын
YES, and when you guys do this can you please teach to counter lycan
@ChiKusari
@ChiKusari 12 жыл бұрын
How about tips and tricks on small things you can do (with some chars not all) to save your teammates such as od banishing a low hp mate from a tink rocket or forcestaff or good use of items that not many ppl think about.
@SkimScar
@SkimScar 12 жыл бұрын
I think you missed aggressive lane wards in the early game... while it doesn't provide as much vision as it could, it is very important for a support player to know the enemies position
@TheUbberman
@TheUbberman 12 жыл бұрын
YES! Thank you. So many times I told people how to ward. Now I can just point at this video too ;]
@alvindamionsoo
@alvindamionsoo 11 жыл бұрын
never knew what hard, easy lane was , thanks dude
@47292801
@47292801 10 жыл бұрын
Nice explanation! Very much appreciate it.
@joehakarashi
@joehakarashi 8 жыл бұрын
THANKS DC YOU GUYS AWESOME
@Vangog1216
@Vangog1216 12 жыл бұрын
Learn DotA 2- what boots are the best for carries\supports\gankers
@gaeria
@gaeria 12 жыл бұрын
Thanks! This was very helpful
@naimanpunk
@naimanpunk 12 жыл бұрын
Everything is a counter to anything if you got the right item. Its not based on picking heroes.
@700718756
@700718756 12 жыл бұрын
Viper puts a poison dot on anyone who attacks him (his passive), and that dot (from ES denying him) was the one that got the kill
@foobietv
@foobietv 11 жыл бұрын
lol these videos are very helpful. Thanks fer makin em'
@PownageClan
@PownageClan 10 жыл бұрын
I liked this Video im a support for my team and they are complaining about my warding because i never place them but now i know ima be better but can u do a video on a mid Phoenix carry build
@Olboeb
@Olboeb 12 жыл бұрын
Learn dota 2 - escape tricks/proper use of jungle and heal bottles
@CarbonIce
@CarbonIce 10 жыл бұрын
Hello XV, Watched your video on Warding, excellent tutorial, However my problem is this: When I place a Ward how do I activate it?, what am I supposed to see?, please don't take this as a foolish question, but I have placed wards and I don't see what I'm supposed to see. If I go into options with in Dota2 and check show Names/ Icons on Minimap I can see the enemy and my Allies, so I know exactly where the enemy is. How is warding supposed to work? Please advise, Thanks.
@16zyper
@16zyper 10 жыл бұрын
Hey! You are probably buying the wrong wards. You have to buy OBSERVER wards. If you buy SENTRY wards, they won`t work unless you are beside them. Hopes this helpes
@kuwpale
@kuwpale 12 жыл бұрын
Also, I hope that the guide covered sentry wards placement since this is Advance guide.
@phoenixzeu
@phoenixzeu 12 жыл бұрын
Learn Dota 2 - Picking and counterpicking (i know this should be hard to teach but it would be awsome)
@Awpteamoose
@Awpteamoose 12 жыл бұрын
Learn DotA 2 - Advanced Laning (trilanes, what exactly to do in different laning scenarios and situations, etc)
@ashmantwo
@ashmantwo 12 жыл бұрын
I actually really like this one but its mostly whoever is carrying the hardest unless that carry isn't dieing at all or easily or being focused at all or easily...
@AaronFruman
@AaronFruman 9 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the help! I'll definitely check out the dire ward tips too! =)
@ginfizz111
@ginfizz111 12 жыл бұрын
viper has corrosive skin, and that shit even works on your mates! But it was pretty lucky that vipers dmg ticked at the right time.
@JojoLebgaming
@JojoLebgaming 12 жыл бұрын
Learn Dota 2. how to learn counters (hard or soft) and are there any resources to read more about them.
@sc2nut
@sc2nut 11 жыл бұрын
5:53 Holy shit you can put a ward there?
@CnstntChnge
@CnstntChnge 12 жыл бұрын
Great guide!
@redsoxman2008
@redsoxman2008 12 жыл бұрын
Learn Dota 2: How to creep stack. Using a dominated creep to stack ancients can be a huge source of income. More than 300 gold/minute for your carry at the cost of using the dominated creep constantly. Although it is in a good position to check runes too.
@betterthanbonds9
@betterthanbonds9 12 жыл бұрын
you forgot the wards you can place on the high ground of the T3 towers giving vision without being detected, those wards are amazing before you try to take a T3
@POOPTURTLE
@POOPTURTLE 12 жыл бұрын
good video, very helpful
@Cthulhu3C
@Cthulhu3C 12 жыл бұрын
Learn Dota 2- attack and armor types, and their relationships.
@Marcusianery
@Marcusianery 12 жыл бұрын
I think we need a Learn Dota 2 about roles and positions. As in, we need to have a episode of the need to have a well balanced team, not 3 invis or 4 agi carries or 4 ints and a str and what other strange combinations that not often end up working that well. Like lacking AoE or stuns.
@TheMarcosqui
@TheMarcosqui 12 жыл бұрын
yea i always use the first ward :) very usefull.
@JeremyBec
@JeremyBec 12 жыл бұрын
Learn DotA 2 - Counter warding.
@djvonbonjerry
@djvonbonjerry 12 жыл бұрын
I'm glad I knew about this before this guide was made. xD
@tasteofintention
@tasteofintention 12 жыл бұрын
cool! learn dota 2 - stack and pull creeps properly!
@Zangalulu2
@Zangalulu2 12 жыл бұрын
Learn DotA2 - If you and your team are on the back foot, how do you catchup on XP and Gold to level the playing field?
@Rand0mUser08
@Rand0mUser08 12 жыл бұрын
Learn Dota 2 - Decision Making (when to commit to teamfights, etc.)
@AndyDiza
@AndyDiza 12 жыл бұрын
I think it's already discussed on the previous tutorial in this channel.
@wintermelons
@wintermelons 12 жыл бұрын
WOW that double deny from earthshaker... one with right click, other with viper's passive...
@amiraris398
@amiraris398 9 жыл бұрын
besides , this is and old map right ? do you have a warding video for a new map ?
@MrTxhao
@MrTxhao 12 жыл бұрын
Dewarding. Together with this warding series.
@Eliano55
@Eliano55 12 жыл бұрын
Learn Dota 2 - support, how to play good, what items early,mid,late game.
@BokaInter95
@BokaInter95 12 жыл бұрын
Learn DotA 2 - Picking.Best team pick suggestions...
@blackunoichi
@blackunoichi 12 жыл бұрын
Of course... thats why all the pros pick random, also most of them dont even wait to pick a counter... Dont give me that, there are always better pick to counter the other player hero, what are the criteria for that choice is my question
@earthlife3431
@earthlife3431 8 жыл бұрын
can you make a video about ADVANCE WARDING in the current map of dota 2. THANK YOU!
@MageKirby
@MageKirby 12 жыл бұрын
Great video
@BlueCrystalGem
@BlueCrystalGem 12 жыл бұрын
Before the video there really should be a loud disclaimer saying that IF YOU DON'T LOOK AT THE MINIMAP OR CARE ABOUT TEAMMATE'S PINGING, WARDING IS COMPLETELY USELESS. IF YOU WARD, YOU HAVE TO CHECK YOUR MINIMAP REGULARLY, BETWEEN SHORT INTERVALS.
@GutsyCanuck
@GutsyCanuck 12 жыл бұрын
Great Vid!
@amiraris398
@amiraris398 9 жыл бұрын
when do we need to know whether we as a support need to join the gank , stick or needed to split push lane ?? sometimes im confused on this problem
@redinq
@redinq 12 жыл бұрын
there are some super aggressive wards in the dire base which are really useful when looking to break the base that you didn't cover. do you not consider them competitive?
@tridacnabr
@tridacnabr 12 жыл бұрын
i guess that what he mentioned is that, often, when fleeing to the down-left direction, a lot of players (including me) click on the top-right on the minimap, going backwards... i don't think there is much to say about it, its just getting used to the game, guess that was a joke only
@TemporalMeteor
@TemporalMeteor 12 жыл бұрын
Dude. that double deny at 1:30. Holy shit balls
@sarkany888
@sarkany888 12 жыл бұрын
Learn Dota 2 - Basic micro, control groups and stuff
@HiggzWasHere
@HiggzWasHere 12 жыл бұрын
I love how the top comments are always One serious suggestion and one funny one.
@FlapjackDota
@FlapjackDota 12 жыл бұрын
true history
@geekybench
@geekybench 11 жыл бұрын
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