Learn Dota 2 - Bottom Lane (Radiant)

[@WorldEditna]

For Bear: need only tab button (to fast swap control), F1 for hero, Y for all other units, you can adjust them as you wish. same for Visage, Chen, Ench. For Meepo : Tab, "1"main meepo, "2"other meepos, to dagger you cast all poofs for group "2" thank to Tab button, then swap to group "1" and use blink dagger. For more Micro with meepo you can use more groups "3" "4" -> to farm more easly you can put 2 meepos for each group, but you can do it manualy.

[@Hawlo]

I think starting with a soul ring recipe is fine in certain ocations. Right now, I can only think of Dark Seer. But naturally, only if you random him!

[@p_serdiuk]

Laning techniques, how to keep the creep equilibrium correctly in various situations (you have 2 ranged creeps, what do?) and how to freefarm near you tower without pushing the lane. Also, priorities - how to decide whether to attack a creep, deny a creep, which one to lasthit and when to use skills to secure lasthits.

[@CoNFiiDeNTiiAL]

When you are playing a hero like doom in the safelane, I think it's a neccesity that you start with a ring of protection. Normally, you will rush a basillius for the mana regen and armor(doom has 1 armor at level 1) and if you take the courier from your mid lane to bring a ring of protection it could seriously hinder him and potentially make him lose the lane. Soul ring recipe is different, you only get a soul ring if you are offlane or situational mid heroes where you dont have a free side shop

[@Elite942]

I'm so happy xv is back. I missed his videos.

[@Cr0zzle]

By semi-carry he means that she not only relies on her spells but also can contribute to a teamfight by simply hitting the enemy heroes, thats because of her 3rd skill, which increases her attack speed by a huge amount. I would agree with him on the ring of protection, but it is a really good item to avoid some damage while harrassing the enemy heroes, or to avoid damage while being harrassed by them.

[@modeljamban]

ring of protection is bought a lot by carries in competitive scene because usually they get pooled by the supports so they have no problem getting stats + rop + consumables.

[@Dragondarkness79]

the tri-lane explanation really helped me understand a lot of the things i see in tournaments

[@AngeloBangelo]

Indeed. I did miss one. It's incredibly hard to last hit as support. As a support, you don't spend a lot of your focus on last hitting. If you tunnel vision on stuff like that, you can get your carry killed. Support players focus is better spent on the mini map. Watch all lanes and watch hero icons at the top of the screen. Look for ganks, or if anyone is getting jumped on and prepare to TP. Also call MIA constantly for lanes. I'm constantly telling Spec how lanes are so she can focus on farming

[@helbindidelbaum3572]

good tips for people who are new to the game. i don't know if you are going to talk about what to do in a situation where 2 carries claims safe lane but i think it would be good to do so especcially for new players.

[@ThenamelessDude]

Glad to see the series back

[@sp00kychin]

Lina is a semi-carry. Though not implied by valve, she can snowball into a semi-carry if she gets enough ganks at the beginning. As for the ROP, its purchase at the start is situational. Unless you're going for a quick basilius or Tranquil boots, then its not necessary. Personally I'd prefer regen and survivability (branches) at my starting cash.

[@Fredemarmelade]

If you're farming safe lane, you can buy midas recipe first, so you can finish it in the sideshop. By doing that you'll get it earlier because you only use the courier once.

[@leejesm]

I was just starting to miss these.

[@tavish1658]

Buying item components that can later be completed sorely from the sidelane gives the mid hero much more courier trips, making him more efficient, as he has the courier at his disposal throughout the first 5 minutes or so.

[@gregvok]

One recipe exception. Midas recipe in some situations is bought first to maximise the return of purchase.

[@siegfriedsiegfried726]

True, it's extremely viable on hero's with ridiculously low starting armor like Weaver. Getting a ring of protection will increase his resistance by 10% for 175g on top of saving a courier trip and getting him closer to his ring. I'm seeing a lot of issues with this guide. Specter doesn't have an escape mechanism? He does know he can use cliffs and trees, right? And PA basically has a blink, that's like saying Magina doesn't have an escape.

[@siegfriedsiegfried726]

That's actually more based on your hero. Some heroes like Lifestealer thrive on attack speed since his lifesteal is on every attack and not how much damage he dishes out. But others with crits on first strike like Bounty Hunter should opt for damage so that first strike can be as punishing as possible. When it comes to last hits and denies both are good but different. Your attack animation will start faster, but with damage creeps can have a higher HP threshold for last hits.

[@MrPuppetMan2]

The only thing that you might need to know about stacking ancients is that you can stack it at a regular time of 52-54 seconds, but if it's already stacked once, you'll want to do it slightly earlier. (51-52 seconds for a stacked camp, specifically 50.5-51 seconds for a double stacked camp). The reason for this is that the ancients block themselves on each other with each additional stack, but often the ancients are taken before this becomes neccesary. :P

[@C1ry0n]

nice guide, was waitin for the serie to come back on

[@xXjuksterXx]

YAY its back! finally i can get past the old training and see the new and improved techniques, but first of all, id like to ask you to do the following subject= Learn Dota 2: Acting Out Your Role Correctly Roles as in support, ganking, carry, semi-carry, pusher, initiator, etc.

[@B1ackID]

Use daggers. Try to last hit under tower. Stay in exp range (around 1k i think) If you get exp and dont die, your job is done, since PA can farm with high level dagger + ult pretty easy, and getting solo exp means you can participate, when your team ganks the lane. If your team loses the other lanes (4v3) and no one ganks, you can go rage at them :D

[@writingdraftswithCCGHawkins]

Actually Lina is a semicarry because of fiery soul. It's not ideal, but if you mid lane and snowball, it is possible to become a rightclick monster. However, what i think XVRogue was trying to say was that it's ok to have heroes which are slightly farm dependent in tri-lanes. He could have used a better example Also, the ring of protection decreases physical damage taken by 5-10 percent. you can get 4 gg branches for the same gold. Also, early game damage is mostly magic. XVRogue is correct

[@ksadeath]

Yes XV is back! I really missed your videos

[@rr1-rr1]

Most beginner-intermediate players ( your audience) knows the value of stats. The problem is overvaluing them (too much branches, too much bracers) and not giving attention to blocking (shield is good for right click harass and creep attacks), armor (same reason as blocking), using tangoes properly and mana management.

[@ofek3239]

Do a guide on ganks: whether to dive, at what point to gank etc.. nice video as usual

[@gabrielfirewing]

Very useful video, provided that beginers will watch it. Also I totally agree with the recipe advice, with some exceptions. I always start with SR recipe to a dark seer on hardlane if solo. Even if the line up is hard and I can't farm the xp I'll still farm the gold and will be able to push the lane so I can sneak the rest of the Soul Ring without using the courier, which I can barely use on my matches even though I buy it :D

[@Harkonn3n]

1)Euls or Ghost scepter on supports can makes him useless. 2)Heroes with hard cc abilities like Lion or Bane or even Shadow Demon destroy his long cooldown abilities. He is not that fearsome if he doesnt get the early kills and farm. 3)Normally every hard carry with decent farm can easily take him down late game.

[@MeettheTings]

thanks, we've been playing dota for some time and really wanted to take our game to the next level!

[@chrizter01]

on radiant, pulling is on X:16 and X:46... stacking is on X:54-X:51 depending on how big the stack is currently (54 for first stack), this is how i do it. on double pulls, i just wait for the last neutral creep to have 550-600 hp before i pull the next camp (i hate those small satyrs, i make sure they die first)

[@siegfriedsiegfried726]

Oh and Outworld Devourer is another one of those attack speed heroes since most of his damage comes from his pure damage which applies on every attack rather than damage.

[@gregvok]

because attack speed doesn't help you last hit. If you get the recipe you can get the gloves as soon as you have 500 gold rather than waiting for the courier. Its more efficient with the Midas going recipe first.

[@Jollviewer]

Most carrys can be played as supports! For example Spiritbreaker is competetively played as a support and played as carry in pubs.

[@darklink2475]

SWEET TO SEE YOU BACK AT DC XV!

[@PigBosley]

You should get a ring of protection if you are going to build one of those two items, if you have very low starting armor.

[@kloaf11]

dont know if this was a slip but if you do it right like in the video stacking&pulling should not push the lane did like your trilane explaination its good

[@Evjen97]

Totally agree.. Hate having side laners that didnt buy a ring of protection to start with in all random (etc) and bought some tangos and clarities instead.. And uses the courier all the time to get stuff they could have gotten in the first place

[@Cyzuh]

Glad to see you back

[@eboyoy9711]

After a year, finally see XVrogue on this channel...

[@Blubbelkopf007]

1) no, he is a support 2) if the creeps are close to your tower then take the gold if they are far from your tower then try to deny, but you can always deny after you took the gold :)

[@peberly400]

About time u come back XV

[@siprus]

There are few reasons to go 3 lane. If enemy goes duo lane, you basically deny 2 enemies from early xp, you make pulling easier with less risk of solo hero getting xp, or harassing your carry out of lane. + going duo top will risk yourself getting 2 heroes who don't get xp.

[@Showdownxlm]

ring of protection is sometimes bought at start even in competetive dota. Atleast on low armor heros id say its pretty cost efficient.

[@Damnic_]

I would like to see a video on unusual supports. Mainly carries as supports such as Naga Siren, and Alchemist, as seen in TI3 so far.

[@kloaf11]

most damage is low and great high lvls while mediocore at mid lvls. this is bec early game all numbers are low and late all numbers are generally higher scaled but within range of each other. the protection is great for low armor heroes that need it for tranqs or a bassi.

[@Whiteo83]

Looking forward to more! Suggested Topic: How to play the Hard Lane Solo with a support character.

[@Fredemarmelade]

OD crushes almost all mid heroes in lane by stealing their int, and therefore making them unable to cast spells. So what you'll need are heros that dont have to spam spells in lane, even though that means picking heroes that aren't normally mid. Lone druid is probably the best counter, because he doesn't need mana, and if he gets imprisoned he can make his bear last hit. Hope this helps

[@B1ackID]

1 sentry and you can kiss your blink invi smoke goodbye. Also riki < lvl 6 (when you most likely will get picked off) has only blink and a small range fog. Every decent player will wait till you have no creeps to blink to, then just stun and kill you with auto attacks.

[@jacknight6]

I am so happy there is more learn dota 2.

[@TheRPGguy94]

She can Semi-carry, much in the same way as leshrac. However she can also be played as a lane support which is much more common to see.

[@Knorssman]

its not as reliable in lane as other escapes, it has a considerable time to get to the trees and if the enemy team was thinking ahead, they will have brought some heroes that can easily cut trees, windrunner is really good at this with powershot and should spec be in the woods, will get shackled easily

[@leesasuki]

counter per hero, counter their most hard counter hero, be a good support with your team(that won't be counter by the hero they chose), and lastly, be the last 3 or 4 to chose, to ensure non noob choosing all carry(unleash you want to play some hero)

[@gabrielfirewing]

Well in dota 1 she was able to do wierder stuff, like hiding behind the waterfall, but nowadays the dagger can only do us much (if that much) as firefly from batrider. I might save yourlife, but at best it's %50. Instead of spectraldagger I would take a surge from darkseer at any given time.

[@MrSergiuD]

Great stuff, it's always useful to review the basics :)

[@kloaf11]

i disagree about the lane equilibrium. if its up at their tower you either dont know how to control the equilibrium or have a support pushing your wave. the equilibrium is very easy in most cases to be kept right out of radiant tower range. also about the ring of protection. what you stage by not getting it is wasting the time your courrier could give bottle boots or other neccessary items to your mid who needs the courrier more. also it is commonly agreed that the armor is decent early since

[@Magnaliscous]

XV IS BACK

[@Evjen97]

To get in a high skilled team, you either have to play as a 5 man stack with communicqtion such as Teamspeak or skype etc.. Or play pub games and hope you dont get in a full russian team or get really lucky and dont get on a russian team at all (very rare)

[@Hacnar]

You are talking about defensive trilane. Aggressive trilane is used to ensure early kills, and can be used even in lower matchmaking if players have basic understanding of heroes and abilities.

[@Laxerjan]

disagree on soul ring, there are some heroes that require grabbing the recipe first like brood, enigma and sometimes dark seer any other item recipe however is a waste disagree on ring of protection aswell, some heroes go for an aquila first and the basilus gives you damage and mana regen, considering you usually buy 3 branches+tango and salve, you only have 1 slot left, which is best occupied by the ring rather than another branch that leaves you with some leftover starting gold

[@matsmats9]

Awesome video:) keep up with the strategy contest, we need to improve the dota community

[@Zirrkis]

Do a vid for the newcomers that touches on movement tips like queuing orders or transferring tower and creep aggro with A click etc...

[@kloaf11]

also on the farming solo bot true escapes or maybe some semi escapes true but you forgot at the part im at the heroes with a farming method like pa(dagger) or ld/np(ranged plus creeps to help/harrass)

[@Th0usandMaster]

i like to buy a recipe myself but not a soul ring, the one i like is wraith band recipe because of its +3 damage and i only need 150 to complete the recipe. one courier trip can actually do a lot for your mid hero instead imo and since slipper of agility is pretty cheap i didn't waste it too long.

[@mosnaidei]

Been a while since I've seen this series

[@maltebergman5242]

RoP is pretty good if the carry gets it, otherwise I agree, the supports should almost never get it first. If I for example play PA, AM or PL and want a basi I can get it at min 1 after just a few last hits and then I get the mana regen for the supports as well as +6 damage which is huge for last hitting, If you don't look at the armor part of it it's almost a blade of attack + sage mask (as in aura) for 325 gold.

[@chrizter01]

imagine. start with support bounty hunter. think of a line up a support bounty hunter would fit in. now what counters it? think of emergency picks you can get for when one hero get's banned. now think of how you could pick those heroes without the enemy knowing your plans. Qop + naix first? do i get bounty now? Now where do you put these heroes? what items to get?start with theory crafting. there are staple picks/bans you can take that would help mask the actual strat.

[@Fezo313]

Ogre Magi, Beast Master, Omniknight, a build for PL, sometimes Dazzle

[@siegfriedsiegfried726]

Oh true, didn't think about that since I usually just buy midas with jungle characters.

[@UnfairRampage]

i would say the only item that stacks multiple times is battlefury, but maybe terraske as well. Obviously divine rapier does it.

[@meataxenarll]

Thanks XV - What about: How best to regain the mid-game after an unfortunate start?

[@JoseMartin1532]

holy shit where've you been dude, about time!!

[@Ku_Steorra]

As you increase in skill level that seems to be less prevalent, but then again i'm usually in at minimum a 2 stack so my experience may be different.

[@Typical3]

Welcome back XV! :)

[@mcnamaraky]

His entire point is that its more cost efficient to buy any single other item BEFORE the recipe. If those items help you get easier/faster last hits....you'll be able to in fact farm the item faster than if you sat there with a 0 stat recipe. Either way, you're waitin for the courier most likely.

[@bambulbee123]

I missed this series.

[@siegfriedsiegfried726]

Don't know what you mean by stealth assassin, but yeah, Specter has an extremely overlooked escape mechanism. Trees and cliffs are Spectre's best friend

[@Hacnar]

Based on your matchmaking rating (MMR), magical number that increases when you win against people with higher MMR and decreases when you lose against lower MMR players.

[@madinsomaniac]

You can actually make lina a semi carry. I've seen it in a couple of games where we won or the enemy won when she went damage items (crysalis and the like) or did I? Well anyways info as in this guide is highly subjective, the guide's purpose is to propose a foundation from which we can use or noobs can use.

[@TheOwlslayer]

This was informative. Quite nice.

[@fukmeumfamous]

Learn Dota 2: Situational Items (Advanced) (like which items should be bought by the carry/support depending on the hero composition of the opponent team.)

[@molagballin_]

For the most part a very good edeucational vidya for newbies, but I strongly disagree that the Ring of Protection is a waste to start with. The early armor is actually amazing, and the the ability to turn it into Tranq Boots or Basilius makes it a very good purchase at the start, since that's the only component you cannot buy in the side shop. Also, on some heroes, getting the recipe for Soul Ring at the start is actually very good.

[@felipeebs]

XV, you are the boss! how to lane would be my question but, "how to get an early roshan kill" is the next big thing thx

[@Xzyjj]

Trilane purpose is not to ensure the kills, but to ensure uncontested freefarm for carry + have enemy's hard-laner with 0 exp as long as possible, due to unability for 1 support + carry to do this vs certain heroes (like timbersaw, clockwerk, or even bounty hunter), this guide is very outdated, and some points will misslead low-expirienced players, and will trigger situations when supports on trilane would dive t1 tower for the kills, or disrupt their carry farm due to unnessescairy agreesion.

[@emina15]

Welcome Back XV! XD

[@ExTamplier]

Welcome Back!!

[@WoYaTzar]

I think you should have used Critwhale's map for showing warding/dewarding spots. Look it up.

[@Negro95]

Learn Dota 2: Roshan; Soloing it or teaming it out? The income that gives to the team and the effect it has on the enemy team.

[@goingonlylogical]

I still think that there's uncertainty on what the carry does once the lane pushes back after a pull. Does he circle the tower? Does he pull the creep wave past the tower to the next wave? Does he pull it into the jungle stack? Is it item dependent (i.e. If he has/doesn't have stout shield)?

[@qwertism1]

RoP is not bad starting item cos when built into basi it gives more damage and allows quick tranquils

[@Spearit578]

wrong infromation on trilanes, most radiant trilanes on bottom only serve to secure the carry's farm. They aim to either survive against the opponent trilane or forbid the ennemy solo from getting xp.

[@lineage254]

for am you only need raw damage and he dies he is actually even late game very squishy , and for pl you need to gank him a loot with dust early game , and if you cant pick something that counters him like earth shaker or medusa and is gg unless some one feed him like a loot xD

[@theycalledmechris]

it's back!

[@siegfriedsiegfried726]

Yeah someone else corrected me on this. My bad, I really needed to think this through a bit more.

[@94olsson]

So you don't even think that you should get a soul ring recipe if you're off-laning Dark Seer, cause then you can easily pick up the other parts in the side shop instead of wasting courier time which can be positive because you'll probably have it as the same time the mid hero gets the bottle.

[@janemondares]

Simple but super effective : Orb walking. Demonstrate how vital it is to secure kills and how NOT doing it can fully ruin opportunities. :)

[@chaz-e]

Learn Dota 2: Ideal Hotkey mapping for quick item/spell use.

[@TheMchan30]

That actually makes sense

[@saveumberto]

Just ban stuff that counters your team or if you know the enemy team you should ban stuff that they like to pick, for picking you can just pick wtf you want to pick you should be able to think of new tactics like a support jungling doom could be interesting.

[@MrNiklas34]

He is BACK! :)

[@Cr0zzle]

It is not considered an escape mechanism, since a good gank would kill most heroes without letting them move that much.