Learn Sword Fighting 4: Countering The Thrust - Absetzen

[@Dapperfex]

These are great. Love the straightforward basics approach and the polished look and delivery. Keep it up!

[@3dguy299]

I love how straightforward and easy your videos are

[@Tumslover27]

1:12 It seems as if the thumb would be in danger of being severed. I mean, I’m no sword fighter, nor have I ever claimed to be. I’m just going off of what I’m looking at.

[@Dreynschlag]

It seems like it is exposed, however if you keep it on the flat side of the blade, it is actually pretty safe. If you are feeling uncomfortable doing this, you can also do it without the thumb on the blade, or move the whole hand some inches back, so the thumb is still on the handle.

[@mollyabi9544]

Don't forget to wear gloves haha

[@jwgoon]

Amazing how similar the principles of the longsword fencing is to Japanese kenjutsu. The multiple counters to the counters is found in many of the Japanese ryu as well.

[@dillon6462]

These videos are fantastic in the way that they show each movement step by step along side live commentary. I was wondering why it's important to support the blade from the bottom. What would happen if Gregor kept the same grip with his right hand rather than stabilizing the blade with his thumb? Thanks for making these really informative videos and I look forward to seeing more in the future.

[@GediBern]

+Dillon Everett thanks for your feedback! the absetzen would work without supporting the blade as well. but the thumb on the blade gives you more stability and better control so we strongly recommend using it.

[@vincentrosado9871]

Ngl going through these so I can lightsaber duel my friends lmao

[@nineotindo4563]

better off just swinging their legs with the sabers, won't be able to fight after that lol

[@mompernl]

Exact same, but future

[@Carpatouille]

Just have the high ground and you'll be fine, trust me

[@forestfam2439]

Me and my cousin will mess y'all up at lightsabers! We're both in our late 30's... neither of us have even smelled a pussy...😎

[@Cyclonus5]

I'm literally studying this for my Shien/Djem-So training so go for it dude.

[@samuelleask1132]

Would it be possible to add a section in the video where you show a slow-motion replay of the move?

[@Dreynschlag]

Hi and thanks for your feedback! We will discuss your proposal for our next season.

[@aymensaleh2877]

Dreynschlag Can you work with dual blades?

[@danielapinto4200]

Try using the speed option, on the video. It worked for me.

[@dio7465]

Thanks my grandma didn't stand a chance

[@wrathofkorven]

no fruits were destroyed.... the disappointment

[@hfrendal5374]

I like these clips you make, I am a cane fighter myself but I have just bought a sword. Lots of stuff are similar to using a cane but there is a lot of difference too. So these days I browse everything to learn small tricks

[@Dreynschlag]

We also enjoy crosstraining. Adapt whats useful! :)

[@TheNandixLP]

Thank you for this Tutorial-Series. I actually just realized how new this videos are... I'm so used that tutorials are uploaded a few decades ago... Anyway, I really like it, because I want to get into sword fighting and I know almost nothing, except some inaccurate video game expiriences. So now I'm slowly building up my knowledge and you really help me out. So just thank you for that. :)

[@Dreynschlag]

+TheNandixLP you are welcome. that's the reason we do this. :) hope this helps getting started with historical fencing and that you will love it as much as we do.

[@skye.s2515]

Ya Same. I'm just trying to get as manny good resources and this is definitely one of them, keep up the good work!

[@martinweiss2955]

Kingdom Come Deliverance (video-game) has battle maneuvers illustrating some of these tactics as they were known in Bohemia-Moravia. As a student of mainly foil and Saber fencing, this is really interesting. I assumed Medieval battle discipline was very poor. I see I'm wrong. Thank you for the lessons!

[@DarkwarriorJ]

Technically battle discipline is a separate thing from skill at arms, which is separate from tactical commanders, which can be analyzed separately from the quality of their logistics. The soldiers may be great at fighting individually, make blunders at group cohesion, and then be commanded by an incompetent who nonetheless has the entire kingdom's worth of wealth following in his supply train. Or the soldiers might be really bad at fighting individually, know how to run with a pike as a group, and then be commanded by the second coming of Alexander but get hamstrung by their rations getting lost along the way due to rain, mud, and a damned swamp.

[@JBT..]

wheres the fruit?

[@Fhanta006]

lol

[@lavender12001]

Well I think this might be late ,but wouldnt be easier if I get forword with the other leg in the final step ? I was wondering about that

[@AndrzejGieraltCreative]

Some of my friends and I are going through your videos, and we have gotten to absetzen. It is quite a challenging move (or perhaps we are just so new it seems so haha) but we are beginning to get it! But one of us was wondering, how do you counter the absetzen? His instinct was to raise his sword into a high vom tag, but this leaves him open and his opponent can easily leave the bind and attack his torso or just go for a kick or grapple, it doesn't seem optimal. I'm guessing absetzen is a situational move which mainly serves as a "killshot" like, if you get to the point where you pull it off, you're probably winning that fight (since the zornhau-ort seems to be the main move we are defending against here in different ways).

[@Dreynschlag]

Hi! Glad that our videos help with training. Since the "Absetzen" is an indes technique, it's difficult to counter if your opponents timing is good. However, try the following: As soon as you are aware that your opponent does the "Absetzen", slide down on his blade with your "strong" (Stärke) to his "weak" (Schwäche), displace the thrust as far as required, take a step to the side and do a counter-thrust. The "strong" of your blade is from about the middle of your blade to the crossguard (you can still differentiate between half strong and strong, but let's stick to the term "strong" for the sake of simplicity ). The "weak" is the part between about half of the blade and the tip. Because of the lever effect, you can control the opposing blade. This is where "Winden" begins, which we have not yet shown. I hope the explanation was understandable. Have fun trying!

[@Dreynschlag]

I have to add one thing: This is just one way of dealing with Absetzen. There are of course several. Depending on the situation and distance, for example displacing the attack upwards and going for a takedown might be another of several options.

[@AndrzejGieraltCreative]

@@Dreynschlag Alright thank you! Hopefully as we learn more we can integrate things like this.

[@aulusgalba5679]

Wow this is awesome I do lots of martial arts and I thought sword fighting was useless. And a sword is easy to use. Now that I watched this I’m an extremely interested in the way of the sword.

[@lonewolf56308]

Thank you again! I've so much to learn.

[@EdwardJamesKenway...]

Is that a Wardruna shirt? Awsome!! edit: It looks like it from far away, but its not. Still, awesome video!

[@garlandrose9948]

Do you have a separate counter for somebody who just holds the sword out in langort all day and counters with your momentum as soon as you try to bat the sword away or get around their guard?

[@Mrminer-si2qc]

Thanks I'm teaching my friend Ian! 😎😃

[@marceloferrari4242]

Ótimo vídeo, instrução muito boa

[@sato-ru219]

I have a high chance of forgetting these tomorrow

[@6agu652]

You guys are awesome this is super cool!!!😎

[@marceloferrari4242]

Gostaria de uma sugestão sobre um livro básico sobre esgrima medieval,aguardo. Saudações do Brasil

[@Dreynschlag]

Uma boa coleção de diferentes livros de esgrima pode ser encontrada em: www.fioredeiliberi.org/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=25&sid=cc099eac7ba4ee08f948c86e2057dff0 Saudações de Viena

[@kyleragudo3657]

Thanks for this video.

[@616lordofdarkness]

very useful fpor beginners like me i guess

[@lonewolf56308]

Very much me too! All I've got to train against is a 4 inch fence post but I guess it's better than nothing right?

[@adrenaline8710]

Sorry I'm new to this, my question is with the thumb grip he uses. In that action of supporting your sword-is there not a better placement for your thumb bc it looks like it is in danger of being cut it off or injured from your opponents attack.

[@Dreynschlag]

Well, it is actually quite safe, however there are other options if you don't feel comfortable using this grip: 1.) The thumb grip is optional; you can also hold it the traditional way. The balance will be a bit harder to keep, but it will work. 2.) Slide down on your handle with your whole front hand for a couple of centimeters. By doing this, your thumb is still on the handle, and covered by the crossguard. 3.) "Cheat" a bit. :) there are swords that have an iron ring on the crossguard as hand and thumb protection. The downside is, that some other moves are harder to execute, and that they have additional weight. antikwert.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Schwert_676_Detail.jpg Cheerio

[@adrenaline8710]

@@Dreynschlag ok great, I just started learning about sword fighting and know about the thumb ring cheat but like you said it would be harder for some transitions. I guess with some solid practicing hand positions will become natural. Thanks for the help

[@Dreynschlag]

Glad we could help. Try it out, and adapt it to your body mechanics. Enjoy your journey with the sword, it is a very rewarding martial art! :)

[@jupiter6942]

When doing thrust, can you put your back leg in front? It feels more natural to me

[@b19931228]

I think your body structure and bend arms looks a bit flimsy if your opponent decide to force his way in to the new center line.

[@carmen071972]

Well, if you do it right and fast enough, you have a big chance to succeed

[@trevorjohnson3229]

How does this work with a katana? A more superior Blade?

[@emptyh2o]

How would you do this with a shield in your left hand?

[@marceloferrari4242]

Quando vem novos vídeos? Estamos esperando,tem nos ajudado muito, principalmente no Free style

[@Dreynschlag]

Não faremos mais vídeos de espadas até novo aviso. Após a atual temporada (haste), começamos algo novo na primavera, mas ainda é uma surpresa. ;)

[@marceloferrari4242]

@@Dreynschlag estaremos aguardando,se é surpresa.. então é boa!! Grande abraço,o frio aí deve estar congelante. Aguardaremos.

[@Dreynschlag]

Haha, sim, é um pouco legal. :) Mas na cidade felizmente não é tão ruim. Saudações no sul ensolarado!

[@nun140]

What would happen if they drop the sword slightly to throw off the thrust?

[@williamlowry92]

So i dont know where else to ask this question, so I'll ask it here in the hopes that either these trained professionals or someone with experience with swords can answer. If two duelist were fighting and one strikes a heavy blow with their sword, should the second individual block with the straight edge of their sword or the flat side?

[@gregorsuchentrunk388]

If someone strikes you with a sharp sword, don´t bother about your cutting edge ;)

[@williamlowry92]

@@gregorsuchentrunk388 yea no shit. I asked if you blocked it

[@Dreynschlag]

@@williamlowry92 Hi William! A long discussed topic and I think there is no "or". What Gregor wanted to say is, that if you have to parry, your opponent pretty sure caught you unprepared. In that case, it's all about bare survival and it doesn't matter which side of the blade you're parrying with. One principle of historical fencing is: Create a threat with every action. That means countering, not parrying. A historical fencer will try to avoid the parade. But let's assume that we have to parry: Sharp cutting edges "bite" into each other. That usually stops the blades (and damages them). If you catch the blow with the flat (eg from a "Hängen", if you hold the sword with the handle up and the tip slightly towards the ground), the blow slides along the blade. It depends on what you want to do next.

[@ilanahmed6135]

do these work with one sided edge blades like kriegmessers.

[@Dreynschlag]

we have some similar techniques in the Lange Messer. The principles are the same, however you have to adapt to the different blade and handling.

[@samspears8707]

When doing this technique, what keeps your opponent from cutting your fingers. I thought the cross guard might, but it doesn't look like it does. \

[@Dreynschlag]

it depends on the angle of the bind. if you get cut on your index finger try to raise your hands.

[@gregorsuchentrunk388]

Keep your grip a few cenitmeter behind the crossguard.

[@julianmahal5105]

Sam Spears o

[@guillaumefouret5985]

can you make a video on how to refine your ubrhaun techniek

[@Exampel42]

Can I use this technique in LARP?

[@Dreynschlag]

yes, it should work in theory. Try it out, could be a bit harder to do with larp-swords.

[@even6570]

Whats this technique's called again?

[@backyardsurvival8696]

Where do you get your swords

[@dumbthings11656]

Isn't the thumb in a position where it can be cut of. I am talking about the thumbs up position

[@Khanzaki1]

I have sword with very small cross-guard How can i use this technique? Any suggestions plz

[@Dreynschlag]

Hi! This technique does not necessarily require a crossguard (although it provides extra protection). It's more about generating angles and keeping the pressure on the blade.

[@Khanzaki1]

Thank you for your support 👍

[@Carpatouille]

How do you counter the countering ?

[@MrSuperstargamer]

I have a question, how do you avoid the absetzen if you are the one trying to do the zornhau?

[@Dreynschlag]

Hi! Once you are in the bind and confronted with a thrust try to manipulate your opponents "weak" (the first part of his blade from the tip) with your "strong" (the part near your crossguard). You can - for example - displace the thrust upwards ending in a position called "Kron" (see Gedi in video 3 - pommel strike). But don't rest in Kron or you will be confronted with a follow up attack as you are in "Nach". Another possibility is again to manipulate his weak with your strong trying to displace the thrust to the side (don't forget to step out of the target zone!) and thrust by yourself. But that's more difficult. Anyways: As the Absetzen is an Indes-technique it's pretty hard to counter if your opponents timing is good. And one more thing: The Absetzen can be done as a direct response to an Oberhau oder a thrust too. The easiest way to practice this is by starting from "Pflug" (plow) - the movement itself is pretty much the same. I'm sure that there are videos covering this topic.

[@MrSuperstargamer]

Thank you for the response!, really appreciate it, I hope that you can cover most techniques on swordfighting, it's something that really attracts me and makes it so unique apart from any sport or physical activity :D

[@meticulousroomba2981]

All of these videos are kingdom come deliverance master strikes moves

[@Dreynschlag]

They programmers of the game did a very good job with their fighting system in the game. The colaborated with local HEMA groups to make it more realistical. :)

[@meticulousroomba2981]

@@Dreynschlag damn local HEMA? I didnt think they went that far for realism itself

[@Scarl3t_Dummy]

Hi i am new to ur channel and already love it!! I wanted to be a fighter when i was a kid but my Ex-Bestie Told me its for boys But i still Practice and use a wood play sword i had when i got it

[@Tkoutlosh]

The "absetzen" look more like stab from left ochs so rather some kind of winden or so than absetzen. I would consider absetzen as more centered move than what is shown...

[@snachev2010]

where do you guys get your awesome swords from?

[@Dreynschlag]

You can find a list of hema-suppliers (including sword smiths) here: hroarr.com/train/clubs-gear/hema-equipment/

[@snachev2010]

Thank you what is the swords used specifically in the videos?

[@Dreynschlag]

The one with the black grip and the fishtail pommel was made by Pavel Moc. Gregors blunt with the S-formed crossguard is from Jino Swords and the sharp one from Arma Bohemia (I don't know who the smith was).

[@laskey84]

What kind of steel blunts are you two using?

[@GediBern]

Hi! My sword (the one on the right) is from Pavel Moc. Gregors sharp is from Arma Bohemia. Can't remember where he bought his blunt at the moment but I can ask him.

[@laskey84]

Dreyn Gedi thank you so much! Love the work you all do please keep it up.

[@GediBern]

robert paulson You are welcome! I have had good experinces with swords (and federswords) from Péter Regenyei too. And of course there are lots of other great swordsmiths out there :)

[@gregorsuchentrunk388]

I bought my blunt sword from www.jinoswords.cz/

[@laskey84]

Gregor Suchentrunk thank you

[@ertugulclips4248]

From where we can buy this sword please also sale

[@fluffiddy6515]

Mikiri counter to break his posture

[@Legendarygaming518]

Same mate!

[@silentone11111111]

How have I only found this 7 years late? lol.

[@robindabank6711]

Awesome

[@DavidWillamas]

B,B,Beautiful!

[@maxmusterov2870]

Really cool videos.Do you give lessons for 15-18 years old guys? Ich spreche eh Deutsch,aber ich bin mir nicht ganz sicher,ob ihr ein österreichischer Verein seid.Seid ihr ein österreichischer Verein?

[@Dreynschlag]

+Max Muster Ja, wir sind in Wien zuhause und halten auch Kurse; allerdings - und das ist jetzt leider die schlechte Nachricht - erst ab 18. Mehr dazu findest du auf www.dreynschlag.at/schwertkampf-lernen/

[@maxmusterov2870]

Ok.Danke

[@cheez-itman2784]

Just noticed how much greggor looks like a buff Ryan reynolds

[@preetigupta6688]

Best part was kick simulation

[@tntobey]

Thank you for these instructions. At this moment I am concerned about Russia.

[@mdsultanularifin110]

I want to learn sword fighting... sir, do you have any source through which i can join sword fighting classes... This is a humble request sir, please don't ignore.

[@Dreynschlag]

Hi, and thank you for your question. There are some excellent manuals out there, however as a beginner I would advice to stick with videos if you don't have a HEMA group close by. I would recommend to you to go through our 20 steps tutorial to get a first impression of the art and practice it with a friend. As for online courses, our friends at www.hematics.net/ offer such a service. Check them out! :)

[@mdsultanularifin110]

@@Dreynschlag thank you for your response sir... i will follow all the instructions you pass but please accept me as your student. I have submitted a form on hematics. Please instruct me, what to do.

[@hawkward5529]

Wouldn't putting you thumb on the blade like that run the risk of losing it?

[@Dreynschlag]

Excellent question. It seems like it is exposed, however if you keep it on the flat side of the blade, it is actually pretty safe. If you are feeling uncomfortable doing this, you can also do it without the thumb on the blade, or move the whole hand some inches back, so the thumb is still on the handle.

[@-Thunder-Warrior-]

Really great video... But I also have to know... Where did you get that shirt?! :P

[@Dreynschlag]

+MidnighWolf thanks! You can get this shirt (and some other great rash guards) from our friends in Poland: shop.scholagladiatoria.pl

[@-Thunder-Warrior-]

+Dreynschlag My life is complete! :D

[@In-Nutshell]

Im watching this to learn sword fight just in case if the technology extinct

[@zidan8664]

When you fight someone and he only watch to the second video and you've watched the 4th tutorial

[@clydoscope5841]

Now,I just need armour 😃

[@SonriseSunset]

yeah....you can easily see that sword fighting is a very highly skilled deal with small intricate hand and sword movments. not just madly swing the sword around. but I inagine back in the day, a large, strong person could make up alot for lack of skilled movements...that is until he met up with a skilled sword fighter

[@thecomradered]

I am confused now. Isn't this a form of mutiren?

[@Dreynschlag]

The key point in Mutieren is whether your opponent is weak in his bind or not (we will cover this alongside with our interpretation of Duplieren in our next videos). The key point in Absetzen is timing. Imagine one guy standing in right Pflug and the other one is attacking with a thrust (or a haw). Once the Pflug-guy sees the attack coming he performs the same move as in our video. By doing so he stops the attack and hits with a thrust in Indes. We have decided to show this from a binding-situation so the thrust comes from a Zornhau-Ort instead of Zufechten (as an initial attack). The principle however is the same.

[@nathancherd9109]

cool video

[@mediocrebeans4228]

Counter strategy, Absetzen the absetzen

[@truongquanghuy6419]

Or you could just do a front flourish and follow up with horizontal cut ._. i usually do that when my sparing partner tried to thrust

[@hakimibnasri3224]

I got no one to be the one need to be reflect, so I stuck at episode 3...and my lightsaber is broken

[@f0ggy808]

Honestly I may have started to miss all the vegetable demonstrations even if the mr tomato has to get ketchuped.

[@anthonycarlisle6184]

All this is based on your opponent keeping his blade out there to play in the bind

[@aiz9502]

im learning sword fighting because of anime

[@user-bh8mo8nk7k]

Friend never stood a chance

[@borislavkrustev8906]

That absetzen would not work if the guy on the left actually thrusts in Ochs after the first bind, and not in some middle position that doesn't cover him above or below.

[@gregorsuchentrunk388]

+Borislav Krustev please explain your opinion more clearly. Maybe you have to replace the Absetzen when the thrust comes from other positions. Somtimes there are very little movements with great differents. Try it.

[@mattmanbrownbro]

If he thrusts from ochs, a mutiern would be a good option since it hits the lower exposed opening of your opponent.

[@gregorsuchentrunk388]

Yes, if he thrusts from the Ochs you have to do "Winden" or the so called "Krieg" But that´s another lekture.

[@honorablegoddessitopiauhur7731]

Who remembers ser Gregor from game of thrones

[@siorisati241]

お前達が探していた日本語のコメントだぞ

[@8-bitfin768]

I watch these videos with my link hat on and my master sword so I'll be a real sword fighter like link >:D

[@barbaragordon7381]

Who else is just watching this with a stick in their hands and no actual reason 😁

[@posh_dancing_skeleton_8891]

I've been going through these and now I can finally beat my brother in a lightsaber duel muhahahaha

[@angelatang8734]

it to hard how does you do that

[@LeftyGamez666]

Wow im link now😂😂

[@ProbablyAEuropean]

If it weren't for this corona thing i would've started fencing already but alas all i can do is watch videos

[@kylelemieux1654]

Love these jeep them up and I will put my friends to shame mwahaha

[@kylelemieux1654]

*keep

[@napatik8068]

my sister freaking keeps poking me and im going to learn how to counter this. she pokes me with a foam sword i have one too :)

[@bordwithasword]

Sword fighting is just better chess

[@Dreynschlag]

That's true

[@seaverschultz932]

Seid ihr in Deutschland?

[@Dreynschlag]

Nein, wir sind in Wien zuhause. Es gibt in Deutschland aber viele gute HEMA-Vereine - falls du einen suchst, gibt's hier einen Überblick: www.ddhf.de

[@dingletun]

I watch star wars! I know this one! Hit the sword out of the way as hard as you can

[@alexon6325]

how to counter a counter?

[@kronchii6782]

You counter to counter the counter then then they counter to counter your counter then you counrer to counter their counter.... I think you get the idea

[@foxboy795]

But the bottom parts are exposed, he could kick while I do that

[@Paulyfr3sh]

I want to see a normal person, using Sir Gregor Cleganes Sword aka (The Mountain), lol.

[@danielapinto4200]

I missed the simulation.

[@Dreynschlag]

More simulations in video 8; meet "Coconut Gedi"... ;) kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y53CZoyqbrGUiLc

[@imnxtmeiii7703]

And with me Bernhard deutsche😂

[@astro.playzzz8200]

Bruh bought a sword just to do the stuff in the video. I fought someone using a wooden sword. The only reason I won was because of this video. I would have been hit in the through if I did not learn this.

[@Dreynschlag]

Glad to hear we could help you, and that you enjoy our videos! Take care of your trainingspartners. If you break them, you will miss them. ;)

[@18-trannhatminh59]

Mikiri counter

[@ArthurMorgan18993]

Lots of star wars moves

[@yulitakusuma]

Why HATERS

[@ああああ-e8h5p]

日本語の字幕をつけてください

[@lieutenantjogasaki2286]

ああああさん 日本人同士よ

[@jessefabe3571]

I just dont get this one