I couldn't find the clip, but I'm pretty certain Snutt said on a dev stream that he used one of these setups in the Update 5 Teaser World. Will you give one a try?
@frostcrackle23747 ай бұрын
"The indicator is a dirty, rotten liar." THANK YOU. 👏👏👏 Every single guide I've watched has said to just let the pumps snap to the indicators, but my network has NEVER worked at full efficiency using that concept. Happens even in update 8.
@truefreak2 жыл бұрын
If you really want to save on power, you can build a fluid tower with no pumps at all. If you put a valve at the very bottom of the output pipe and set it to 0 flow, it will continue to provide the headlift even though no fluid is moving. I used this to set up a roughly 300-meter-tall fuel system. I have a buffer at the top that I filled with a packager and some packaged fuel.
@Runesun2 жыл бұрын
I'd heard that was a thing, but never knew the specifics. Thanks for sharing!
@WaLLy_3 ай бұрын
I got a mechanic I discovered as well with the big round tanks. They create headlift based on how full they are. You have tanks as buffer , and before piping it to machines you make the pipes go below the tanks, than build the pipes to the same height as the tanks and then back down again. This will make it so only once the buffer tanks are full enough it is able to go up enough in the pipes to the rest of your machines.
@Runesun3 ай бұрын
I have a trick similar to this as well but different in implementation for a flow control and debugging purpose.
@ArkCarbon2 жыл бұрын
Thanks man, spent so many hours trying to do coal efficiently because I just didnt understand pipes very well.
@Runesun2 жыл бұрын
Glad you found it useful! Coal is one of those first big problems to tackle. For early game coal I've found it helpful to have one extractor at 75% per 2 coal gens. The underclocking also stretches the early power a bit longer too.
@gemmel31972 жыл бұрын
Best explanation of this I've seen, thank you.
@nightismonochrome2 жыл бұрын
Quick, concise, and easy to understand. Honestly I don't play this game, but this was still satisfying to watch and made me want to try this game out.
@Runesun2 жыл бұрын
Appreciate the kind words! If you like these types of logistics and factory building games even a little, you'll certainly get your money's worth.
@skilz80982 жыл бұрын
If you haven't tried it out and you eventually decide to... be prepared for it to consume you! This game is captivating and so beyond addictive!
@dombuilder11979 ай бұрын
Don’t start playing. It will be so good you don’t want to stop playing but take up as much time as two full time jobs. It will make your brain burn because you need to do so much planning and build so much stuff.
@HW-ow9zp8 ай бұрын
have gamed for 29 years, too many thousands of combined hours. this game is seriously worth a try if you even saw it and looked appealing. one of my favorite games of all time FROM time to time.
@AndrewKeifer6 ай бұрын
This is probably the best explanation for how to set this up that I've come across. Thanks for uploading!
@HW-ow9zp8 ай бұрын
very cool man. first time seeing your stuff, never cease to be amazed by the quality of content from the satisfactory community. appreciate the excellently clear and concise detail, will check out more of your stuff. take care!
@Runesun8 ай бұрын
Much appreciated!
@nathanoy_2 жыл бұрын
incredible video quality, keep up the great work! You earned my subscription.
@Runesun2 жыл бұрын
Much appreciated! Lots more to come!
@StormFX79 ай бұрын
Do note that if you're running multiple pipes, you can achieve a similar effect by simply putting adequate pumpage on one pipe, as long as all the pipes are in the same network. Though it does make it a bit more logistically effective to have the water "tower" near the pumps since you've got power there already. Another tip: Avoid loops. If you have two rows of machines and running pipes down both rows, do NOT connect them at the far end. This causes some weirdness in the flow and can starve machines. Edit: Oops, didn't realize how old this video was. :P
@Runesun9 ай бұрын
I haven't looked at U8 yet to see how this may have changed so hopefully this helps someone! Thanks!
@HW-ow9zp8 ай бұрын
really? I have found almost the almost opposite where I have not been able to fix some lines without adding a loop on the end. I typically don't lead with it but only end up adding it as volume needs and I scale up but I can think of 2 or 3 times now in u8 where the loop has saved me! but you have to overflow it. if you don't let it fill when you add it then it is going to starve your machines because you literally aren't making enough fluid to fill the pipes. As McGalleon always preached, Full Pipes are Happy Pipes!
@daniellclary11 ай бұрын
Had to try that out immediately. And it works. I wonder what the range on that is though.
@Runesun11 ай бұрын
As long as the tower part is higher than where it goes I don't think there's a limit. I had 4 nuke plant floors in a tower that went 8 floors high with no issue.
@BLAndrew575-2 жыл бұрын
Indicators are indeed dirty rotten liars. Thanks Runesun! Helps a lot!
@billythedoor2 жыл бұрын
very helpful! thanks for sharing! i ALWAYS struggle with pipes!
@Runesun2 жыл бұрын
Pipes definitely can be a struggle point. I've found the towers simplify things a fair bit. Glad it helped.
@rellify32 жыл бұрын
So much better than the other videos, thanks.
@Lotnik1028 ай бұрын
Cool tip mate. It will help much more to build my factories. Thanks.
@oldguy74022 ай бұрын
Subbed. Perfect, concise, thorough.
@baddon69772 жыл бұрын
Great Explanation! I use tanks at the top for looks.
@JustinCuster9 ай бұрын
This is a great idea! Thank you.
@auzraelАй бұрын
Your headlift may have been fine, but your work pressure was low, which makes your fluids flow slower at the top where the factory is. Adding the second pump nice and high restored your work pressure.
@Techischannel2 жыл бұрын
It is suprisingly realistic and works quite closely to how water works irl. Its not perfectly accurate but its good enough for the job.
@Layarion9 ай бұрын
a water tower irl can provide headlift for an infinite amount of forks that all also go up to the height of the tower? with each fork even exceeding the flowrate of the tower itself?
@Techischannel9 ай бұрын
@@Layarion Ofc not and i didnt imply it as such. I would now go into excruciating detail but it seems that youtube deletes a longer response on pressing reply. This is actually my 5th try to replying. I am kinda exhausted now. Allright so the reply went thru (yay) so here is a TLDR: A water tower of the size capable of providing enough flow and pressure to a megafactory on Satisfactory Scales would be a lake. And the Stuff is submeged within it. Pipes would very simply burst at the sheer pressure and machines would very likely break aswell. That said, great source of power. Water pressure of a hundred or two meters is Hydropower Material.
@halbouma67202 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tutorial Runesun!
@heighRick2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Runesun, helps a lot
@dakkota232 жыл бұрын
If i ever get organized ( we all know that won't happen) I'll have to try this
@Runesun2 жыл бұрын
Why do you need pumps if everything is on the ground? :)
@Adtomskio8 ай бұрын
How do you only have 640 Subs?? Your content is awesome and these short straight to the point videos are so appreciated.
@Runesun8 ай бұрын
Appreciate that so much! Realistically likely because I haven't made many videos! Itching to get back into SF with Update 8 but free time is a challenge at the moment with work, wife and kiddo. :) Soon™
@Catafly72 жыл бұрын
Great Vid Runesun. Keep them commnig
@Runesun2 жыл бұрын
Thanks and You Bet!
@jaye1967 Жыл бұрын
Even easier, get your water from one of the high lakes. Either north of the dune desert or from the center of the map.
@Runesun9 ай бұрын
Definitely an option in some areas!
@UnhingedSystems6 күн бұрын
I'll make it complicated by packaging all my water and using a train to fill a massive tank storage system at the highest point and then just run all pipes down from there. Will overcome headlift by using trains 😂
@chaosakazero2 жыл бұрын
Directions unclear accidentally got stuck in nuclearpowernado
@Runesun2 жыл бұрын
No. No. No. The Nuke Tower is a Tornado Free Zone. 😂😂
@marnusvanderwesthuizen44312 жыл бұрын
this helped me so much
@Runesun2 жыл бұрын
Yay! Happy to hear that! Which build did you use the fluid tower for? Coal? Fuel? Something else?
@marnusvanderwesthuizen44312 жыл бұрын
@@Runesun Used it for the nuclear power
@Runesun2 жыл бұрын
@@marnusvanderwesthuizen4431 hell yeah. That's one of the best. Helped me a ton
@uolocur93569 сағат бұрын
All of my fluids go out, get lifed, and then come back. Its a bit more work but everything always runs perfectly
@vanitymarks87982 жыл бұрын
very nice and concise. i struggle with keeping things neat and straight, especially pipes. i am spaghetti.
@Runesun2 жыл бұрын
I think we've all had our share of spaghet at one point or another. :)
@legendaryone696 Жыл бұрын
That was beautiful
@DarthBludgeon7 ай бұрын
Great video, thank you! The problem is, the Mk II pumps are wonky at best. I've never been able to get them to work reliably, as their indicator pulses are pretty much useless. I really hope they fix this someday, as it really screws up my oil supply system. Water seems to work better, since you have those enormous pumps you can just plop into the lake. I'd be just as happy if they'd abandon the incredibly complicated fluid system, and maybe just run it like the gas system Or at least give us the option in the settings menu, to shut up any troll purists out there. Better yet, finish the bloody thing so we can set up our mods and leave them alone.
@CerebralTag2 жыл бұрын
I am the absolute master of as few pumps as possible. Ask Pitchit.
@Runesun2 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@skilz80982 жыл бұрын
That's about what I do in some situations...
@ZizzlyWizard3 ай бұрын
Am I tripping or did I miss the point? You use a pump to push it up to the machines but what's the point of the return pipe
@Runesun3 ай бұрын
There were no pumps up to the machines. Only on the looping pipe (the tower). I could have had a network of 100 pipes all going up to the height of just those two pumps and avoid 200 pumps on the 100 other vertical pipes.
@ZizzlyWizard3 ай бұрын
@@Runesun 1:24 is not a pump im seeing you explain?
@Runesun3 ай бұрын
@@ZizzlyWizard If you pause at 0:49 - make a note of the pipes you see going into those machines. NONE of those pipes ever receive a pump, but water is also NOT getting up to them at the beginning. The goal of the video is to NOT add a pump to those but have them pick up head lift from the tower that will have a single pump such that all 4 of the pipes at the back just start working once the single pipe going up with pumps is hooked up. It's at the chapter starting at 1:11 where we build the tower, hook the network up together and those pipes at the back are suddenly able to push their water up where they couldn't before with no actual changes to those pipes directly. Basically it's a method for when you have to bring lots of the same fluid resource for a big build up a large way, you can save yourself the power and the headache of a ton of pumps in a large build. In the case of this build I would have needed 8 pumps to do all 4 pipes high enough. With the tower I needed 2. (edit: typos and a bit of clarity)
@lawlzercawpter2 жыл бұрын
Beautiful!
@Runesun2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@thebigboi53579 ай бұрын
What's the purpose of the return pipe? Is this if you have machines that produce water (or some other fluid, like alumina solution) as a by-product?
@Runesun9 ай бұрын
The return pipe is what provides the head lift to the network of pipes which is why the pumps are only on one side of the pipe junction. A pump in the network elsewhere resets the headlift above that pump to only what that pump can do and defeats the tower.
@SerunaXIАй бұрын
Even in update 8, the indicator still goes further than the actual headlift.
@Koh-Wei-Jian2 жыл бұрын
Title: how to avoid pumps Contents: *build pumps*
@Runesun2 жыл бұрын
Hahaha! NOT WRONG! However, we did build 2 pumps instead of 4 so we still avoided some that we would have needed otherwise and more lifts up to that same level if we expanded horizontally wouldn't have required any new ones. :)
@JaredSvBАй бұрын
How do you connect the loop to your system????
@piotrkujawski65552 жыл бұрын
So basicly you can pump up water frominfinitely many water extractors using just one line of pumps???
@Runesun Жыл бұрын
In a nutshell yes. There are some caveats in the way you setup the pipe network and the fact it will try to even out the flow, but that's never been an issue for me. I have fed 32 nuke reactors with 32 mk1 full pipes (1 per reactor) with no issues using this method.
@piotrkujawski6555 Жыл бұрын
@@Runesun would it still work with full mk2 pipes?
@Runesun Жыл бұрын
@@piotrkujawski6555 Yep. I've done lots of mk2 pipes up considerable heights with this method.
@victoriaplant23169 ай бұрын
I just tried setting this up and the water stops flowing vertically once I set up the second Mk. 2 pump :( no water in the pipes above it.
@Runesun9 ай бұрын
I can't speak for update 8 (yet), but I hint at this at some point in the video that pumps used to at least not actually reflect the "snap points" so I'd usually put the pumps a touch lower. Also double check it's powered. Done that once or twice and realized I never powered the pump.
@opliko9 ай бұрын
This doesn't make any sense to me. Why wouldn't you just use the 2 pumps on the 1 pipe going up to where you want it to go and split it once you get to the machines? The tower seems fully unnecessary with no purpose that I can figure out
@Runesun9 ай бұрын
Because this is feeding 1200 water up. That's much more than one pipe can handle (mk1). Yes I could have used Mark 2 but this was a small example. Picture it as two pumps handling going up to handle headlift in a tower with 20 pipes going up to machines. Now you have a savings, but for me it's also not having to worry about power logistics that goes with the pumps. Sometimes the pipes are going up in various areas too or you can have some nice looking pipe logistics without worrying about pumps and the electrical for them.
@SuperGamingMoo2 жыл бұрын
so you just need 1 pipe connected to unlimited network for headlift?
@Runesun2 жыл бұрын
Essentially yes. As long as nothing else on the network prior to reaching the height you want a pipe to get to resets headlight it should take on the headlift of the water tower. The pipe junction being under the first pump is key.
@Irishhawk82 жыл бұрын
Okay this video explained some issues im having with my pipes. But at 0:58 it shows each Water extractor has their own pipe with a Pipe Junction at the start. But at 1:29 you connect each Junction together. So why does each Extractor need their own pipe if you're going to be connecting them anyways. This is the issue im having with my setup. I just junction and connect the middle to wherever it needs to go. Am i doing this wrong?
@Runesun2 жыл бұрын
The _own pipe_ thing was a reference to one overclocked 300 water extractor does 3 refineries perfectly as they require 100 water each. I could have used a mk2 pipe and only had 2 pipes, but I the demonstration worked better with many mk1's. Second bit is that for the water tower to work you need everything on the same network so you have to connect all of the pipes together to share in the head lift the water tower generates.
@XCanG2 жыл бұрын
I didn't get one thing, does you have any external connection from your water tower at the top? I didn't see any on the video
@Runesun2 жыл бұрын
Good question and no. When water falls in the pipes it captures the headlift of that height and allows the water in other pipes in the network to "have that headlift". So the water over the bend falls and goes out the bottom connection providing all that headlift to the whole network. That's why it is key that you have your first pump "after" that connection on the other side of the loop.
@nukachronic621110 ай бұрын
No longer works per update 8 unfortunately. Now there are valves which allow for one-way flow.
@Runesun9 ай бұрын
Still works for my existing setups in Update 8. Haven't built a new one yet though.
@serianaa2 ай бұрын
@@Runesunit does work as long as you can manage to keep the damned return pipe and the top pipe filled. The amount inside the return pipe reflects your headlift, if it is half, then your other pipes will only reach / fill up half of it. It took me 3 damned days to figure it out that its useless for my setup.
@reallyanotheruser72902 жыл бұрын
Physics!
@marcus_w02 жыл бұрын
Well, i guess that you're the guy who makes wet concrete then. I was wondering, what this recipe was all about. Not that there's not enough limestone around... The only time I'd do this, is to sink access water. But even there are better ways.