Learning Proper Raise Sizing with Strong Hands in Poker

In today's call the Hero takes a slightly unorthodox flop line and ends up with the near nuts on the river. Bart and he walk through the proper raise size at the end for value.
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[@Notorietypulp]

This is my favourite call hand, it's very clean and technical, and the callers study makes the discussion much more cogent than many callers

[@scottwooder9772]

I play 2-5 in Brantford. My takeaway from this very good call is that if this caller is typical for this game, I’m not ready for 5-10 at Casino Niagara. Still great post. Learning.

[@Stockhandle123]

I played this game twice it was kind of nitty.

[@tsunyinng1510]

This caller knows his stuff

[@calebjohnson9740]

Bart: you only lose to A10 here right 24 of diamonds: *am I nothing to you?*

[@datsumcrzysht]

He means for most practical purposes. The Villain shouldn’t be showing up OOP heads up in a raised pot with 2,4dd in this situation.

[@ryanbahnsen6429]

He called a raise with 2-4 honey! 😆

[@nobbynobbynoob]

SavedByGrace has it spot on, that said, I did once cooler off to a guy who was playing 42dd in a vaguely similar spot... ah, poquer...

[@robertcooper96]

Yes, cause it's not in his range.

[@justinron1772]

I am a fish so I never understand how to use this content to learn.

[@nathanmclellan379]

Listen to as many of these as you can go understand the kind of thought process you need to develop to be a winning player

[@jaysonsadventuresandmischi5776]

Learn the basics it takes years to be good like Bart. Most his callers are fish too.

[@ashypharaoh8407]

Me too. You don't become a good player just watching the hand reviews. You need to study and have a solid base understanding of the concepts to really benefit from these vids imo

[@VOID_FLIX]

We play every Wednesday at 6:30. Will save you a seat

[@uofajoe99]

Fold more

[@jasonwright2291]

Today is going to be a good day, starting my day with some fine analysis. Thank you Mr. Hanson

[@MrJabbafett]

This is a great hand to analyze. Near the bottom of UTG's opening range and great explanation of how to continue when hitting the flop this way in this position.

[@mkader2494]

Love this caller's cadence.

[@Ver5587]

What?

[@matthewdixon6252]

"Make It Larger" ....that's what she said!

[@consumer61]

Good call/in. This hand would be a lot more interesting if V 3bet jammed otr (repping AT/TT) and not many bluffs if any (some Tx maybe??) Are we herofolding river?

[@ibrahimahmad1055]

TT still loses to all AX full houses so villian can only rep ATh exactly when reraising. So cant really hero fold when exactly one hand beats you

[@williamsingleton4842]

Another great analysis Bart, thank you! I put the villain on a king-high flush, and he probably got carried away after the flop with his high diamonds.

[@sneakkyz3696]

This is 3rd nuts by the way. The nuts is 2 4 of diamonds

[@Williy_Nilly]

He does not only lose to A10, 24d makes a straight flush. FYI

[@daniyalmeraj9206]

hero has defined villain as solid player so 24dd is not in villain's range but yes 24dd does make a straight flush

[@lakerfan1855]

How did I know some dummy would mention this

[@ashypharaoh8407]

🤓

[@Williy_Nilly]

@@lakerfan1855 The same reason donks would not consider the possibility, no matter how remote.

[@theronbrown4363]

You calling a 3.5x pre with 24d?

[@joet7760]

If I have 10s and up, I would bet. For this reason I think hero should bet to hide the strength of heroes hand to be balanced and since I think most decent pps would bet with paired aces, not to mention the possibility of a flush draw.

[@pot_kivach160]

3:32 that's how a large pots were built: by erroneous playing of aggressors...which prompts an opponent to start piling money in the middle believing that their opponent knows what he is doing.

[@moaf2padventures757]

im the first guy to say to throw away the solver ranges in soft live games vs bad opponents, but this flop is always just bet 1/3 pot with full range imo. opponent expects you to cbet, so give them the chance to fold. charge their 2-outers, protect the times you have KJ or 44 or 87s or whatever garbage you raised it with pf. plus i just feel like it makes the entire hand easier to play postflop. itll remove all the awkward turn spots like the one you faced. even more so if you think your opponent is the least bit tricky or tough relative to the normal opponents youd face in that pool.

[@DKFX1]

if you bet flop, then you're going bust vs better ace a very large amount of the time. Pot controlling and underrepping isn't too bad here.

[@moaf2padventures757]

​@@aheroictaxidriver3180 what dont you understand? if youre range betting 1/3 pot 100% like i said to do then a VAST majority of the time youre going to be rooting for folds on this board. this doesnt seem that complicated to me. also, please engage respectfully like an adult so we can have productive conversations. i get it, youre a shark, im a fish. youre a mensa-level genius and im stoooopid. thats fine. you can still be kind even when dealing with bottom-of-the-gene-pool mouthbreathers like me. thanks!

[@moaf2padventures757]

@@DKFX1 no i wholeheartedly disagree with this. certainly you dont have to get stacked here every time your trips bad kicker arent good. the problem i have with pot controlling/underrepping here is that it never gains you that much. but it does allow your opponent to get extemely lucky against you. this is a way ahead/way behind situation. its not like youre checking back the flop and villain will be all like 'he checked so definitely doesnt have an ace here im blasting off with my pocket sixes!!'

[@moaf2padventures757]

@@aheroictaxidriver3180 yes i said this is both comments i made. given this configuration im cbetting 1/3 pot 100% of the time. the reasons i gave for wanting to do this are in my original comment.

[@moaf2padventures757]

@@aheroictaxidriver3180 mostly because you have a huge range advantage, so betting will be the most profitable long term. but also youre going to want folds on this board a lot, so you want to protect all the times you miss. also for simplification. like its probably ever-so-slightly more profitable to bet 93% and check beck when you have an ace and a diamond or whatever. but its too tedious to commit all those spots to memory. youre not giving up much ev to just turn the spot into bet 100. also, to avoid all the awkward turn spots that come about when you check this type of flop back. i prefer to put my opponents into spots where theyre playing predictably whenever possible. take this exact hand for example. if we dont boat up on the river we are in a horrific spot if opponent bombs it with our weak trips. did he outflop us? is he bluffing because we showed weakness? youre going to be guessing a lot. as far as checking back quads, i mean obviously thats fine. and if im being completely honest, id probably do that a lot too. but ofc theres a HUGE difference between checking back AA and A5 here. i just dont want to get into a spot where im checking back when i flop trips or better and betting when i have basically zero equity and i want them to fold. so i just combine it to betting 100% (or almost 100%) of the time.

[@State-uw8pu]

Loses 2 4 diamonds as well

[@stephanie4205]

I think the caller got the most value he could on the river.

[@ijustwannaleaveacommentony6511]

if i'm playing this hand, 100% villain has 2,4 of diamonds

[@evrenturan5632]

Great content as always.

[@joet7760]

2/4 diamonds also (not that he should have it)

[@johnnyblaze8030]

That thumbnail "Make it Larger" That's what she said🤣🤣

[@luishenriquez8824]

I was thinking raise pot, so about 550 or 650.

[@TheDjcarter1966]

Overall good job by hero although I might C bet flop just 1/2 - 2/3

[@pot_kivach160]

he was lucky. Giving V a free turn card on this connected board is a poor play. Also, if he is ahead, then checking flop behind minimizes the revenue.

[@ooooESoooo]

Do we turn our hand face up to villain when we call on the turn?

[@speakinfaxonly21]

No lol. We can have 10 10, QJcc, KJcc, KQcc. We don't always have to have an A. We could have also checked back some NFD in the form of the Broadway club combos just in the diamond form that wouldn't c bet flop because they're never getting an A to fold.

[@Stockhandle123]

@@speakinfaxonly21 not to many diamond flush draws will or should check back as its going to often take a few bets to get a medium pocket pair to fold here. I agree with the rest of what you said.

[@darealcrystal1]

How do you submit a hand dor potential review?

[@liandecastro6816]

Crazy idea. so don't shoot me, but would it ever make sense for the hero to 3! the turn?

[@monsweko]

I think that’s a good case of never getting called by worse, always getting called by better. Specifically you’re driving out combo draws and getting called by 10s and 3s and A 10 and better trips. And those bluffs you drove out probably would have fired river when they miss (giving you the chance to pick them off).

[@liandecastro6816]

@@monsweko Agree. The question is whether you can shove the river and make AJ fold. UTG should have the nut advantage unless SB has TT

[@liandecastro6816]

OK, given the stacks perhaps no need to shove, just CBET

[@pot_kivach160]

depending on what you want. If you want to take the money and finish the hand, then , yes, 3!bet. If you want to keep him in, then just flatting is the optimum play. Now, we can argue what's the best option: a) call turn raise and give him free river card, or b) kick him out of hand, prevent him from improving and beat us on river? I'd say a personal opinion. All depends on who you are as a player and your goals. . Maximizing the hand revenue? Not sure if that's an option in this hand context. The board is very connected...so, the revenue is uncertain. So: how can you maximize the Uncertain thing? This is my argument for hammering the turn (3!bet).

[@sr4087]

Honey; he raised utg and snap checked his trips with no less than two draws and overpairs ready to call on board 🤣

[@JohnSmith-nx7zj]

Overpairs? I guess you mean an ‘overpair’ to the 3?

[@moneyindabank]

I remember when Persson raised only 2.75X with AA and JRB in the BB called with 6d9d. JRB had $800 in and only had to call $1400 more to see a flop. I'm calling that much everytime. JRB flopped a set of 6's and won a big pot. You gotta raise around 4X the BB.

[@tassv5909]

the guy is playing 5 10 live poker and thinking about balancing on every street although this hand against this villain will never come up and if it does he can adjust. much better approach: think about how to win max. eg cbet flop. turn check, river raise to 4.5x.

[@samcai6874]

This caller bored me to sleep in the first 3 min. Real story

[@cameroncollins1486]

Dude I would go like 1100

[@davidsasse40]

Also loses to 2-4d. There is a straight flush there.

[@jeffk393]

"Only loses to A10" 24dd "Am I a joke to you?" Obviously they probably don't have that, but you still have to entertain the possibility

[@MrDinocizmic]

No you don’t, if a small blind has that in their range i would love to play on that table

[@jeffk393]

@@MrDinocizmic yes. Yes you do. There's 1000s of games with players out there ranging from nitty to maniacs. People show up with stuff out of left field all the time.

[@lakerfan1855]

@@jeffk393 You must’ve missed the part where caller defined the villain as a solid reg. Villain does not have 4d2d in range calling from SB. Therefore no, you don’t have to consider it.

[@jeffk393]

@@lakerfan1855 he literally said he'd never seen him play before that day. He assumed.

[@fastfunpokerjamie124]

@@lakerfan1855 solid regs don’t normally flat sb.. they employ 3b! Or fold in that spot.

[@danielhurst8863]

Stopped at 13:00. I'd bet $600. Any Ax and any flush will call, so you want to raise larger, anyone calling a $400 bet here will almost always call $600. If foe check shoves, the only real hand you lose to is AhTh, and 33, TT and KdXd may shove overplaying their hand.

[@qazzaqstan]

I'm not sure Ax is necessarily calling, but yeah I'm not convinced the ones that fold to $600 are really calling $430 either. Plus you really need to get value from AhQd AhKd which are calling pretty much anything reasonable due to blockers as well as flushes which again can't really fold to a reasonablish raise (though it is an interesting thought on if you prefer to call with AhQd or like 67dd)

[@jacobgoldman5780]

3s not superlikely to call utg raise, and only some KdXd should be in range (namely KT, KJ, KQd) but yeah would be interesting choice there.

[@qazzaqstan]

Hoping they are overplaying a flush feels ambitious, that said I would have trouble folding to a shove purely off TT (Ah3h feels very unlikely to but it probably helps to a bit). I don't think most players over-play tens full here but there are 3x as many combos of it as AhTh and you only need to be right 35% of the time (assuming the raise was to $600) it just feels like it would have to be a sigh call and go broke spot. That said if I knew this player well enough that I am certain they are not overplaying here, I'm not convinced they have a bluff (what would it even be AJs that realizes it is no good and feels it can't bluff catch without a diamond?) so folding becomes an option again. Of course at some point it becomes a clear call again because they are capable and you lose to exactly 1 hand.

[@EricA-xd9fn]

Boat up on the River....what to do....what to do? 😜😜😜😜😜😜😜

[@coleclark6866]

hi

[@nicholase6653]

Seneca is not open, screw the previous owners. The seneca nation rented out that room for 100k/month and hardly turned a profit. Its only home games here in Buffalo, why they don't put the casino downtown is beyond everyone. So sick of home games closest casino with a room on american side is Del Lagos, a nice honey hole but still. Fk seneca.

[@sethno1ram1]

Paused at just over half way. Loses to A 10 but also to 2d4d. I know unlikely but donks do what donks do

[@Nick-fc9xy]

Stop with hands we don't see the end.

[@whirlingdervish69]

Part of poker, get over it

[@charlesnewborn3760]

Hey Bart, can you please ban Europros from your site and from calling in? We're trying to make poker BETTER for us, not worse!