Learning to fight in a helicopter: Mi-24P Hind || DCS World

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Timestamps:
00:00 - Intro: The story so far
01:52 - The struggle: Petrobi*ch
04:55 - Unfortunate happenings
06:48 - Sortie start: Hunting for hostiles
07:34 - Outpost spotted: Prioritising AAA
09:27 - Gun run to mop up the last unit
10:23 - F-5 in hot: Merged
13:15 - Outpost 2: Petrobi*ch strikes again
15:15 - Engaging M-60 + Rocket run
16:36 - Outpost 3/4: Petrovich, why?
19:35 - Petrovich discussion with Maguire
20:54 - “Landing” & Outro
Fin
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PC Specs:
GPU: GeForce RTX 4070ti
CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 8-Core Processor
Memory: 32 GB RAM
Resolution: 2560 x 1440, 75Hz
Sim gear:
Warthog HOTAS
TrackIR5
TFRP T.Flight pedals

[@theblitz8798]

I find Petrovich to be very accurately modelled. They managed to do a great job of simulating a conscript gunner with a drinking problem and a hangover.

[@Bullet4MyEnemy]

😂 Touché

[@shinobi61]

I think some of your petrovich issues could be that when u first indicate an area for him to search even though his crosshair appears in your hud he still can be blinded as he has to open the doors and also wait for gyro if you made aggressive maneuver previously without first telling him to close the sight doors and cage the sight. U need to instruct him to "observe off" after each attack and before turning off target and then he operates alot better. Cool to see helos tho man 😀

[@ShatteredArchive5447]

Man, watching and flying the hind makes me hope (maybe too hopeful) for a Havoc module. The Mi-28 would be awesome.

[@kiubekpl5863]

Petro before 2.9 was really just op. After 2.9 he was very bad, you had to give him a lot of time to find targets. Since then he was buffed and now its somewhere in between with the acquisition time of the old system but with a new search patter and los limitations. I fly the hind a lot and i never had any issues with him not seeing stuff i am directly telling him to look at. Another tip is that even if the targets are "unidentified" by petro, the most dangerous targets will always be on the top even if they are not identified, so if you are going in hot and doesnt give him enough time to identify, just pick the one on the top.

[@Krasniye]

As has been said before, you need to keep petro's crosshair inside of the big circle on your gunsight and you can't make any sudden movements for him to be accurate. It's a skill that you can get used to in time, and he's pretty accurate and the atgms are pretty good. Just remember that there's no ground stabilization so if you jerk around while he's trying to guide a missile he'll be unable to correct.

[@Bullet4MyEnemy]

I don’t see why keeping him in the circle is particularly relevant, so long as any movement you make is consistently applied without any wild deviations it should be fine as long as it’s still within the gimbal. His aim isn’t really the issue anyway, it’s the fact he looks for targets miles from where I told him to search and makes me think the things I could see are dead when they aren’t.

[@eillswim]

Skill issue. If he can't see something, reposition...not that hard hah

[@ladybugkiller8]

Try out the increased rate of fire for the cannon. it helps when fighting jets, aim a bit above them and the recoil will pull your aim down over the plane. With that many bullets coming out, the enemy wont be able to fly between them like it did at 1:50 in the video

[@Bullet4MyEnemy]

Nice tip 👌🏼 I need to bind this stuff to my HOTAS, still at the stage where I’m learning what’s worth putting in easy reach

[@oliverwiggins9821]

Petrovich was nerfed a few patches ago, before he was much better at finding stuff but to the point where it was almost ridiculous. One thing for you to note, if his head is in the sights then clearly he won't be able to tell you about ground fire or aircraft within visual range elsewhere. The Hind is an absolute beast and can hold its own much better than I think you give it credit for, just takes practice to get good in it is all. I've won A2A battles with jets with in on Enigmas. Play to its strengths and you'll be fine.

[@SuperEvilMonkee]

You need to keep Petro target indicator centred in your own cross hair, do that and he will basically never miss unless the target is obscured

[@Bullet4MyEnemy]

Or (speaking from experience) if he hates you 😅

[@eillswim]

That's wrong lul You only need to keep him centered before the missle leaves the rail. Once it's loose, he can even aim side the entire crosshair

[@ACG_Jaydog]

I don't even bother using Petrovich anymore if I'm in a Hind. Since 2.9 came out, I've had zero luck getting him to lock onto what I need him to

[@richardhockey8442]

Petrov 'I cannot self-terminate, but...'

[@jeremyhao5001]

Nice video! You are certainly making good progress! Some small tips for you tho: 1. try not to frequently tell Petro to turn on the observation equipment other than when you need to scout or attack. If you google the real thing you would know that the Hind's obervation equipment is literally a massive, complicated and fragile glass house with a spinning mechanic gyro. It's prone to damage during aggresive maneuvers. A good habit would be just turn it off manually whenever you need to turn or doing anything else other than level flight. 2. Retaining airspeed is important for the Hind. The small wings that house the missile racks are actually designed to produce lift when the aircraft is cruising, so low airspeed around 100-150km/h would reduce the lift from the wings. At certain speed level you would feel when the wings are repeatedly gaining and losing lift, this would take toll on your controls... This thing is designed to fly like an IL-2, so she would feel happy above 200km/h. 3. If you have proper rudder paddles instead of using Z axis on your stick, then there's a red guarded swith on the left of your rotor RPM gauge. If you trun that off you can override the inertial mechanics applied to the yaw controls. The inertial mechanics is in place to make attack runs smoother when guiding ATGMs, dumpening any sudden yaw movement, but it may cause issues when you need fast and precise yaw control such as fast U turns, take-off and landings. Hopefully these can make your life more enjoyable with the Hind! 😋

[@Bullet4MyEnemy]

For 1 I only ever do it when I’m in a stable flight regime, I might be moving quick or at an angle, but knowing it’s a gyro it ought to be fine as long as inputs are measured and smooth. The spam is because sometimes I feel like he just says he’s looking when he clearly isn’t yet, so it’s a lack of faith in the keybind’s function more than anything. Fair cop on me not telling him to observe off though, haven’t worked out the command for it yet. 2 is just me testing out the controls still, I know it’s meant to be flown like a low speed plane but better understanding how it handles makes low speed manoeuvring easier when I have to do it, and also increases time on target if I’m not constantly closing in; a bonus if Petro’s being a vich with a B. And 3 I’m aware of and have been using, but I honestly can’t say yet whether I can even notice a difference between it being on or off. I’ve bound the micro switch to override it when needed but don’t yet know the feel of when it’d be useful to actually do.

[@jeremyhao5001]

@@Bullet4MyEnemy Fair. The override switch would cancel the feel of any delay in yaw input. If you have ever flew the Mi-8 (which is, in my mind, a better chopper for beginner than any other moduel), you would feel it because Mi-8 does not have that inertial mechanism.

[@eillswim]

Wtf is he talking about... Petro is fine... Have you even tried ah64 George? 😂

[@maxmaxmaxmax647]

Its sad when you miss Jester

[@Bullet4MyEnemy]

Petro tries to make up for it by being one instead

[@zi0]

I love the way you say "Kill ya"

[@BaiorOfRed]

Similar problems here. Usually the flow for me is I see something, clearly a vehicle and I ask Petrovich to search and identify it, which is perfectly logical since he has the scope and if I can physically see it he should be able to. But, just like you often he can't and nothing happens. I even have the same experience where I feel like I am getting too close, command him to observe off and then turn away only for him to then identify targets. Clearly not working correctly, though I wonder if this is more prominent in these multiplayer servers with dynamic content.

[@hankyates]

The first 2 minutes of this video are an exact description of the ECW is such a broken experience for anything other than A2A Fox2 AirQuake.

[@Llyd_ApDicta]

I kinda have jump to Petrovich's aid here. I don't know if you have only experienced him on ECW but it might be that he is server-side-nerved there. They used to have a massive amount of issues with him since even before the Hind got the R-60s Pilots would just Foxovich enemy fighters because Petrovich was so good. Might also be the last update. I noticed you have your Air/Gnd switch on your AA console up all the time. That actually can cause some issues when you are trying to shoot an 9M on a Grnd target. I usually only flip it up when I use a R-60. If you Foxvich something with a 9M you don't have to flip it up either.

[@Bullet4MyEnemy]

Foxovich 😅 Not heard that before, I have actually been foxovich’d by the ATGMs before on ECW, so maybe that does have something to do with it. I think the switch you mention I probably just flick without having actually clocked the label on it to understand what it’s for, tips like these are what make it so worth reading the video comments, will be looking into it for sure, thanks👌🏼

[@NovaTrap1312]

I mean you could only atgm fighters that were really really slow. A10s that were level with you, slow as hell and not maneuvering were possible but anything else wasnt really possible. Also the Viggen mavs can easily hit helicopters that were going 300+ kmh so I think that was the bigger issue tbh. I you get shot down by a shturm you messed up or were really unlucky, but there rly is no counterplay against Viggen mavs 90% of the time.

[@Bullet4MyEnemy]

@@NovaTrap1312 Whenever I’ve been killed by ATGMs it was during head on attacks where I foolishly thought they were helpless

[@Llyd_ApDicta]

@@NovaTrap1312 Well I Foxovich'd Sabres on ECM, and they were not running right at me. It can be so effective that I for a time didnt take the R-60 since you loose the hard point for anything you are "supposed" to shoot at. The R-60s range feels quite limited and the ony time I seem to get a reliable lock is when the fast mover is past me at which point she will just outrun the R-60. Also staying low helps. obviously. You know you are low enough when the squirrels in the trees look down on you. Weight is an issue as well. There is an excellent vid somewhere here that goes into extreme detail about this, with load levels at different altitudes etc. When you expect to maneuver a lot, i.e. w/o "proper" CAP or anyone else you can make getting shot for you be light and nimble; 8 9Ms, 70% fuel, 3-color paintjob.

[@NovaTrap1312]

I swear petro was good before the last update. The changes were in good faith but I stopped playing the hind, my most played module by far because petro is borderline unusable atm.

[@Bullet4MyEnemy]

Glad it’s not just me that thinks that, goes to show it isn’t something I’m doing wrong as a Hind noob

[@SuperEvilMonkee]

If you are having issues with him, it might be the case that the vision system was damaged, as it can be if you manoeuvre to fast or tightly. Though he does have his blind moments

[@Bullet4MyEnemy]

I think when there’s damage it’s generally clear from the movement of the gun cross that shows where he’s looking. I’ve had it where he’s only been able to slew vertically and the horizontal has been locked in place, tied to my yaw control. The issues I’ve been having are generally just him choosing to locate targets nowhere close to where I’ve told him to look.

[@ZeSpektrum]

In it's current state it's a real shame how bad the gameplay loop on Enigmas is for helis.

[@venomousbook]

wouldn't having an actual player to be your gunner be a better option, it is a simulater game right, or am i just being stupid?

[@Bullet4MyEnemy]

The gunner’s sight is old tech, gyro stabilised but there’s no computational fancy tech to make it hold your point of aim. So if the pilot deviates the gunner has to counter it all, combined with the controllability of the sight itself, it makes aiming insanely difficult.

[@crazygmanssimstuff]

Lol i'm going to be one of those guys. It's Mi-24P but in NATO nomenclature it's the F-Hind.

[@Bullet4MyEnemy]

Shush you, you’re ruining my puns

[@crazygmanssimstuff]

@Bullet4MyEnemy hey if my idea for doing a solid snake parody is going to be ruined by this fact, I will pass on the pain. "Hind P? Whats a Russian gunship doing here" That works "Hind F, what a russian gunship doing here" Just doesn't have the same ring to it.

[@Bullet4MyEnemy]

@@crazygmanssimstuff I am a metal gear fan but I feel like that’s just whooshing over my head

[@crazygmanssimstuff]

@@Bullet4MyEnemy i was thinking at one point creating a parody using the Mi-24P on the South Atlantic map in winter (closest you could get to Shadow Moses) taking it up and shooting down 2 F-16s kzbin.info/www/bejne/h3_IgXyOoZhmrKMsi=ZgAToJ63ZR9PRIx6

[@cyborgbadger1015]

i shot down two Apaches flying together a couple of months ago . they just sat there like lemons even though i had ai set to veteran or above. was i just lucky?

[@Bullet4MyEnemy]

Can AI engage air targets without air to air weapons? I haven’t really played much with the mission editor tbh

[@cyborgbadger1015]

ah thats a point, i dunno tbh. i just assumed an apache would have a hind for breakfast with its far superior avionics etc, but that's the real world, not the sim. That aside, they just sat there seemingly oblivious to any threat. Even after i blew bits off one it took no evasive action at all.@@Bullet4MyEnemy

[@cyborgbadger1015]

hmm im beginning to wonder if i had the ai on the easy setting without realising. @@Bullet4MyEnemy