Leaving Amish Paradise 4/4

[@BumperMorgan]

All that separation and heartache between families over religion; over ancient fiction. It's so very sad.

[@Travelingchopsticks]

I look at these men's lives and it made me remember how close I was to God and how far I have fallen from that kind of humility and reliance. How the world draws us away. Thank you for making this documentary.

[@ivan00001983]

Wow, same here

[@thefrickleful]

saying that you rely on the Lord for your income, means that you basically depend on others working to support you.

[@venomfanex]

It's so nice to be free of religion. The truth is beautiful.

[@melishere2]

I'm a Christian... however, I'm still a sinner. I live in the world. God helps those who helps themselves.

[@1caramarie]

Perhaps God was telling him to get a job and support his family. Sorry but his value of hard work, left the room.

[@prairiepatch]

I give him credit for trying to follow the bible. He should read 1 John 5:8 Where it says,"Certainly if anyone does not provide for those who are his own, and especially for those who are members of his household, he has disowned the faith and is worse than a person without faith."

[@allyoop3971]

What's difference between constantly saying the bishops say and constantly saying the Bible says? Can't this guy think for himself?

[@Anthony_in_Bloomington_Indiana]

These two stories are so sad. I suspect the baby died because mom was so stressed during her pregnancy. She sounded almost numb when she was speaking. I think Ephraim, Jessy and their families should all go back to the Amish. They lost their extended families and community support. Charity Church is nothing special, certainly not worth trashing all their lives over. And don't buy an old Mercury! Buy a Toyota! And don't take car advice from Ephraim. He can't even install a muffler!

[@dan11009]

i get why the amish kicked him out now....

[@monica-NJ-123]

I recently went to Lancaster and both of these video's caught my interest. Being of Christian faith and believing that with God all things are possible. I pray God will show the way for these families to find peace and prosperity in their new found home. In the name of Jesus I pray.

[@maketheworldsmile3]

this is one of the big problems with religion in general. It can sometimes make people think that they can sit back and god will provide for them. Laziness.

[@williegates627]

Lights going on and off in the van and they want $3500 ?!!?!??!?! Please tell me the production crew told him that's a freaking terrible idea.....

[@anemone9]

Having watched the first documentary, I'm very sad to see Ephraim move from one unbending dogma to another. But I think his passivity may come not from his new faith, but from his Amish upbringing. He's just not used to making decisions. So I hope he saw his financial situation as a theological lesson: God helps those who help themselves. And I also hope he applies this lesson to his family's health. It's terrifying that he thinks his daughter is cured of cancer just because it's in remission!

[@nationwideinterlock3884]

That was actually mentioned in the first documentary on these 2 families. It was a million dollar farm and they only got 100,000 for it and then gave that all away.

[@ajbotte1003]

They may have had debt... or maybe had to sell it to Amish for less value🤷‍♀️ Plan was to buy a house and have no mortgage but gave it away. I feel like they were scammed twice😔

[@akhurnu]

And yet he seems to be working quite hard. And really, it all depends on what we are called to do. Missionaries rely on other people's money but work hard. If that is the Lord's will, then He will provide. I'm happy to provide for missionaries, and really, Ephraim is just a missionary on home soil.

[@hakuro]

Very interesting. Thanks for putting this up.

[@lsparling3]

I think this is very interesting. It's sad to me to see the commentary about liking him before better, although I understand why. He's a man that is rewiring his whole psyche and critically honest. I think he's an incredible young man and I thank him for sharing with us his life experience.

[@ai4kk]

I'm not a christian, but i grew up one....from that viewpoint, God did provide...he gave you the ability to work for a living.

[@rloken]

TIGHT man! always skimping, and on health costs too

[@AnnaVonCleves90]

I'm sorry but, I don't know why Ephraim expects God to provide for this family. He decided to live outside of the Amish and when you do so, you MUST provide for your family NOT God. I liked him better when he was Amish, he did great work. He should get his G.E.D and continue to do building work to provide for his family.

[@MrSnobby24]

I think leaving the Amish was a bad decision for these two families.I would never have left.

[@jokerswild4577]

God isn't just going to "provide" unless YOU work for it and put some effort forth as well. He's just waiting around for people to hand him envelopes of cash and then surprised when God doesn't provide? REALLY? God provided you with a JOB and then you have to work at it and earn the money like everyone else.

[@TracyTodd2199]

Alaskanhigh I don't think Ephraim was trying to live off people and not work. From what I understood from the show...he was evangelizing (like the ones in the Bible that were on the forefront traveling and spreading the Gospel). Early on he said he sold all he had and gave it to needy causes. He is trusting God to provide while Ephraim evangelizes.

[@kjempevanskelig]

@HollyApple777 I thought it was interesting that he switched from an Amish way of thinking where you work to earn a living AND to receive salvation, to an evangelical faith where you earn salvation by believing. Evidently he seemed to think that he could earn a living just by believing as well.

[@nagaempress]

Praying that they didnt have any extra expenses for the baby in the hospital...Ephram needs to go back to the Amish.

[@2immutablethings]

I hope Ephraim realizes he can work and do God's will to spread the gospel. As far as expecting God to provide for him. He did just not the way Ephraim wanted it. Having a job to go to is a provision. The bible does say faith without works is dead. Read James 2:14-15. And the bible also says : For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat (2 Thess. 3:10). I do admire Ephraim's faith and God has blessed him because it. Great Video. :-)

[@allyoop3971]

You said this very well.

[@avagage1]

Ephram go back to the amish and be a humble man and quit being so judgemental you left one form of bondage only to be in another I respected you when you were amish i am starting to loose it for you now

[@me68206]

I watched both programs and I hafta say, I liked Ephraim better when he was Amish. He didn't shirk work. He didn't expect others to support him and his children.

[@avagage1]

man would i love to talk to Ephram i can only imagine it will get worse for him befor it gets better

[@donnafreeman5435]

I'm seeing this doc in 2023. What has happened to Josh and his family??

[@theshakter]

I met the guy last year here in uk england and they seem there doing fine from what I heard

[@julianhermanubis6800]

The thing about England (speaking of just that one country in the U.K.) and its overwhelming secularism, I have not found that the average irreligious person can intelligently articulate why they're not religious anymore than the average religious person can intelligently articulate why they're religious. Secularism has just become the accepted societal norm, and the average person living there today is secular just as their ancestor in the pious 15th century would've been a devout Catholic without being able to explain why in philosophical or theological terms. That is why I find this certain condescension secular society has towards religious society rather funny.

[@sorrysonofa]

Ephraim seems like a very nice guy, but I cringed when I heard he'd wanted to take his daughter off of chemotherapy.

[@metri91]

"God helps those who help themselves" is not found anywhere in the Bible.

[@sparklestonebro]

so basically god helps those who dont need help

[@anoukhorstink]

I'm gonna pray maybe I'll get a Maserati

[@dalula6]

I'm sure all the prophets worked, and even they has the most difficult task of spreading their message. God will of course provide, but we have to put some effort. Money will not drop like gumdrops.

[@nldm561]

They only filmed what happened, it's how it really happens.

[@DarkFantom70]

They felt that a need of another was greater than a need of them self

[@Aluapay]

God did provide.....with work...bible says 1Timothy 5:8-But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.....He doesn't see his jobs a way of God providing??? I think he will in time.

[@crasherfairy]

Those children looked a lot happier when they were Amish than they do as born-again Christians.

[@horsenponyshow]

it was not christian indoctrination, no one was trying to convert him - it is about one mans struggles with trying to live between two cultures with his personal faith in the bible and God and how to make peace with himself.

[@ajbotte1003]

Your daughter’s funeral and hoping to convert parents😭

[@ladyhawkca1]

You cannot expect God to hand you everything. The Lord helps those who helps themselves.

[@sheilaannkey2010]

This brings a spirit of confusion which I was delivered from when leaving what they called 'old time holiness'. Not so severe but it took a man of God to help me and the Lord to show me the rest from the Word of God. In II Peter it says that if you follow the old testament laws you are to do them all but if you choose to do just a few of the laws they are null and void. For example you hair being covered which is old testament. So wearing fingernail polish was not going to send me to hell. But it is hard overcoming a familiar spirit which puts in the Amish hearts for generations this is the way and has eased the Amish from taking away from the Word of God.

[@userunavailable3095]

@userunavailable3095 There have been more than a few Amish and Mennonites who left the church because they wanted more education, and went on to earn a Phd. Most of them are able to earn quite a good living. If you noticed, Ephraim was worth more than a million dollars at the beginning of the video. Most Amish farmers buy a farm for each son, and leave the home place to the youngest. Given how many sons many of them have, it takes a lot of millions in PA land to do that.

[@HisNameYah]

the thing that made me sad was that the born-again Christians seemed to be very lacking in JOY!

[@akhurnu]

When Jesse and Ephraim left the Amish church, something bad happened to their children. I'm not sure what to make of that.

[@nielsqbc4]

Nice documentary. I hope God will lead this man's life and his familie's life too. No honour to a human, more and more to God. That is what a human being needs to be learned by God. And it is just the opposite of our nature as we wanted power, the fruit in paradise.

[@syrilda1]

I think Ephraim`s Amish up bringing will help him get through this materialistic world,as shown in using the horse and buggy , God will supply his needs ,and teach him His ways, I hear a few doubts now and then,but you grow in grace and knowledge, But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever. Amen 2 Peter 3:18 also his faith will increase

[@wrestlemaniac202]

God had help you with everything that he could but you got to do the rest of the work yourself but I do want to meet you some day

[@guyvideo3110]

Wow, from Amish to Evangelical. Talk about out of the frying pan and into the fire. Poor people.

[@brosue4]

I would agree with you, with a small caveat, which I'd think both you and the person you responded to might agree with. Every person is called to a different type of ministry, while George Muller was led by God to lead that particular life and style of providing, that might not be the exact blueprint that God has for Ephraim and his family. Maybe Ephraim will end up with a part time job or "salaried" job in the ministry such as pastoring a congregation? Or maybe he is just in a difficult test

[@sorrysonofa]

Jesse gives the impression of being constantly high ^^

[@ajbotte1003]

Stressed out with a life time of decisions coming due overnight by leaving Amish

[@illistas]

Oh God, The lawd has provided a van!

[@PuraVid4]

Surely you must agree that the way this documentary is scripted, filmed, and edited has a part to play in the viewers perception of the characters. If not, you are very short sighted.

[@XtremeGoose]

@userunavailable3095 It is well known that (note not CO2) particle increase in atmosphere causes a global cooling effect as sunlight is reflected, similar to one experienced in the 1970s due to coal particle output. Unfortunately, the greenhouse effect became the dominating factor in a few short years.

[@bRoSdivision78]

Read Galatians people it helps alot in particular, Galatians 6:15, it shows us that the old testament rules count for nothing in the new creation through Jesus.

[@syrilda1]

Acts 14:22 KJV Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

[@faithshives7154]

He has to realize, too, that he's living in the middle of a full-on recession, &, as such, people can only give so much, Amish AND English.

[@PuraVid4]

The BBC did a great job of filming and editing the first documentary of this family to make Ephraim seem like he was some honourable stand alone rebel against the constricting way of Amish life. In the second documentary, BBC makes Ephraim look like a nonsensical fool for blindly believing that his faith will provide for his family. Good one bbc.

[@NicholasPOGM]

How does one meet these people. Their faith is a blessing to behold.

[@MissLovepease]

he is so selifish I can't believe it he is askin god for money so he does not have to work people are workin there ass off foor rent and he is gettin it good god he is so weird

[@mrrangerman]

What's sad is they don't need or have to give up living as Amish do. All that changed was they came to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ and as long as they follow Jesus thats what matters. The legallizm of the Amish religion was the issue, they are no longer under that, they can still live as they have for years. I think they would be a better testamony to their family had they continued to live as the Amish live.

[@userunavailable3095]

@aidman110 Actually, the Amish and Mennonites I've known have a very solid basic education. They are heavy on practical math and reading. They have quick minds and are curious about a lot of things. They are problems solvers, as evidenced by Ephraim fixing the car himself. Their formal schooling ends at 14, but they are life long learners. I've personally known a Mennonite man who built a ram jet pump out of $12 of toilet parts and provided water to his home, hog barn and dairy operation.

[@userunavailable3095]

Respond to this video... In 1817, we had a year without a summer, because of a volcanic eruption, and crops failed all over the northern hemisphere, producing widespread famine. Why did the carbon dioxide cause cooling instead of warming? How do you know that the polar ice cores on which much of your data is based are contiguous, and have no melting between layers? How do you account for the fact that polar bears populations are actually increasing and not decreasing?

[@littleboy1935]

God is testing Ephraim's faith. Not included in this video but was mentioned in BBC's documentary was Ephraim's zeal for God. According to the documentary, he sold his farm and gave all the proceeds to the Lord's work. Ephraim is destined to accomplish more for the Lord in the Amish community.

[@kastriotkrasniqi7118]

Ephraim seems more like a fool tbh

[@akhurnu]

Did I say that? No. I did not. I'm not a bro. I just said it was odd and I didn't know what to make of it. God does not deliver evil, so God had no part in it.

[@NicholasPOGM]

@OM3N1R if it's so impossible, how did they video tape them?

[@tealaw]

their lives seemed to get worse after they left

[@MrTammydon]

Stop having kids and maybe you'll have more money to provide for your family!

[@annacraven7847]

What's wrong with his voice? He sounds confused and worn out.

[@denisemartinez6456]

Anna Craven he's had a tracheotomy. it's affected his vocal cords.

[@analara3812]

Traducirlo en español porfavor gracias para entender lo que dicen gracias

[@userunavailable3095]

Respond to this video... The calibrated mercury or alcohol thermometer has only been around for about 150 years, and for much of that time it was too expensive to be widespread. We only have temperature data for about 150 years, and that is only over small areas of geography. Much of the world has no data. Since when did it become good science to extrapolate 4 billion years of weather from a 150 year data set with large gaps in it?

[@nickymansell6605]

Sell ur soul to the DEVIL and u will never have to work again

[@elizabethb.dejong9440]

This man doesn`t understand that God cannot fulfill this man`s responsibility, just like we cannot filfill God`s responsibility Reply

[@LoLuvLo]

I think he was raised to believe god will give all. I thought he was highly intelligent in the beginning on the other videos bc Amish work hard and he should know this God does provide but you have to work for it. I think hes confused and believes God will give all now that he is on his own... Idk

[@userunavailable3095]

@XtremeGoose Science is way more about politics than the other way around. But I'm not surprised to find that you have personal ties to it.

[@flatoutt1]

george muller [feed,housed educated 10k kids just through prayer]would disagree with you about provision,likewise sister Basilea Schlink from the sisterhood of mary

[@userunavailable3095]

@SeekYeFirst1 I wonder if he's had thyroid cancer. He's in the shadow of Three Mile Island there.

[@XtremeGoose]

@userunavailable3095 All the abstract you mentioned are human emotions, not paranormal beings. The human brain is incredibly complex and psychology and neuroscience have seen great leaps forward in recent years to explain these things. The abstract is nothing more than our brains way of visualising the world around us. Much like sound, colour and smell don't really exist, but just our way of visualising vibrations, light frequency and chemicals. Continued in 2nd post...

[@1001orpheus]

Yeah, get on TV, ask for money! Thass the way!

[@XtremeGoose]

@userunavailable3095 Well yes. Secularism and agnosticism is impartialism and the standard for all British documentaries (obviously I can't comment on US ones). The BBC were not there as his advisor's. They were there to document his story. If he wanted Christian help, he should find it himself. Whether or not the BBC did interfere, if they did, it is not good documenting.

[@userunavailable3095]

This is just plain sad. I know its very hard to leave the Amish or Mennonites, butI suspect their transition would have been much easier if they hadn't had a BBC secular humanist socialist videographer questioning their every move. They needed a spiritual guide who'd actually read the whole Bible. St Paul warns that every believer must work for a living. God didn't stop showing up, Ephraim was just doing what we aren't to do: put the Lord God to the test.

[@userunavailable3095]

@XtremeGoose The BBC is far from impartial, and the questions he was asking Ephraim were designed to lead him into a certain train of thought. The best thin Ephraim could have done was to tell him to take a hike. Meantime, of course the BBC isn't going to help him learn about his faith, they are secular. It would have been better for him if he'd had a Christian advisor, instead of the BBC. St. Paul said that those who don't work shouldn't eat. The Amish aren't all wrong.

[@minimintzydaisy]

Just wonder, how could you all judging others? I believe no ones like to be judged and neither nor you. If you don't like the family then stop watching this video and do something else.

[@ciaochowbella]

@sorrysonofa Jesse has a tracheotomy scar on his neck. I suspect a bit of brain damage induced by head trauma or oxygen deprivation. He's definitely a bit slow.

[@coffeetea720]

Where in the Bible does it say that God will help you pay your $800 rent? He may have put Ephraim and his family on this Earth and blessed them with whatever he decided to bless them with. But I'm pretty sure he left it up to Ephraim to provide for them as a family man and as a human being. I know he's at odds with his former Amish beliefs, but fuck, at least it taught him about compassion, responsibility, and work ethic. Get your shit together, Ephraim.

[@OM3N1R]

@NicholasPOGM you really can't. That is what makes it fascinating.

[@nielsqbc4]

@TRYER25 you aren't right. they saw that the Amish rules would bring them nowhere. And from the video's you can see that the man says that he is sinfull and cannot live to the law. He however, by that, is learned that only the blood of Jesus Christ can wash him from his sins

[@aidman110]

these people definitely ad terrible schooling.

[@Barbbfly]

ITS NOT IN THE BIBLE GOD HELPS THOSE WHO HELPS THEMSELVES AND AMISH R USED GETTING HELP-HE'S A NEW CHRISTIAN AND U GUYS R TOO HARD ON HIM! PLEASE REMEMBER UNFAILING LOVE, GRACE , TRUTH AND SERMON ON THE MOUNT CAME FROM JESUS CHRIST-FROM A PENTICOSTAL CHRISTIAN WHO LEFT THAT TO BECOME 2OYR LATER AN EVANGELICAL MENNONITE. YAY OH GOD IS GOOD

[@blazednlovinit]

@BumperMorgan since you didnt get it... i said snap as its a game where you match up cards. You felt sad for them, i felt sad for you. theya re the same, and so "Snap". i hope you get it now ^^How can you say i am barely literate on the one sentence you had of me upon replying? answer is you cant, same with your "Brainwashed" comment. you dont really pay much to context do you? is your equation for a reply just to insert random insults that dont apply rather than something related?

[@halcaannen]

@The1stTaskIsDragons The Little girl died?

[@johannasaichen3092]

I liked him better as an Amish.

[@userunavailable3095]

@XtremeGoose So in other words, you've got no rebuttal and you can only deal with it by calling it a straw man. By the way, its no where, not know where.

[@userunavailable3095]

@XtremeGoose It is equally impossible to prove that there isn't a God, which means you believe there is no God. That is a belief system. Any "scientist" who actually followed the scientific method would admit that.

[@userunavailable3095]

@XtremeGoose Actually, more than a few of them have. But then they are denounced as "not real scientists" or something. I very much doubt that you are going to go and not be back. You are so convinced that you are right and you are God that you cannot leave unless you have had the last word.

[@userunavailable3095]

@XtremeGoose Ice cores are RELATIVELY accurate for long periods of time in human terms, which are still an eyeblink in the 4 billion year history of the earth.

[@nielsqbc4]

Where does it say that God helps those that help themselve ? Maybe this is Gods way with him.

[@userunavailable3095]

@XtremeGoose They cannot be quantified, proven or disproven, therefore, the idea that they exist is a bad theory.