Leaving the United Pentecostal Church: My Story (Part 1)

[@mrniceguy3750]

My wife was sticking a needle full of meth in her arm for about three years. Her life was bouncing off the bottom. One night in her driveway, as she had finally had enough of her addictions, she cried out to the one true God, and right there she was filled with the Holy Ghost speaking in tongues as the Spirit gave the utterance. She was delivered at that moment of all her addictions.. That was in 2014. She is proud to live the life of a One God, tongue talking, no hair cutting, dress wearing, holy roller. The best question someone can ask her, based upon her appearance is, are you a Pentecostal? She will say, yes. And let me tell you what God has done for me.

[@ResponsibleFaith]

I'm very happy that your wife found deliverance through Christ. He's a wonderful Savior! It's certainly her choice to attend whatever church she chooses and if the "apostolic" lifestyle is one that she enjoys and it works for her, I say great. Her choice to wear dresses, not cut her hair and "holy roll" are personal choices that have no bearing whatsoever on her salvation (which comes through faith in Christ alone). This may not be a problem for your wife, but I've found that "pride" is the perfect word to describe how many "apostolic" women feel about the way they look compared to others. I grew up UPCI and looked that way for over 20 years and while people recognized my "look" as being UPC, I've never had it translate into anything positive. If anything it was a deterrent to people.

[@mrniceguy3750]

@Victoria James (SECT) a group of people with somewhat different religious beliefs (typically regarded as heretical) from those of a larger group to which they belong. Acts 28:20-27 [20]For this cause therefore have I called for you, to see you, and to speak with you: because that for the hope of Israel I am bound with this chain. [21]And they said unto him, We neither received letters out of Judaea concerning thee, neither any of the brethren that came shewed or spake any harm of thee. [22]But we desire to hear of thee what thou thinkest: for as concerning this SECT, we know that every where it is spoken against. [23]And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening. [24]And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not. [25]And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers, [26]Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive: [27]For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. Paul was also accused of being in a SECT. Why? Because he did not go along with the main stream religion of the day.... Neither does One God Apostolic Pentecostals.... The belief is that of Paul's. ONE God, because the Bible says God is a single Spirit. The rest of the Church's teach that God is three persons. Apostolic in doctrine. Repentance, water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sin, and the infilling of the Holy Spirit. Pentecostal, referring to the great day of Pentecost. Where the Holy Ghost was poured out, and those that received it spoke in tongues as THE SPIRIT gave the utterance. Practicing your faith by living a moral, and modest lifestyle is what holiness is. It's being separate from the ways of a fallen world. And as far as the UPCI, they are actually starting to slide towards the world. Pentecostal is just a word to describe an experience. Oh, and preferably no meth. And might I add, what a grand day it was indeed when my wife was delivered from her bonds. God poured out his Spirit, just like on the day of Pentecost. What a pleasure it is to walk in holiness out of gratitude for serving such a merciful God. I was soon to follow once I witnessed not only her inward but also her outward change. One thing about the truth is, that you don't have to believe it to make it true. God bless

[@eladiosuarez7436]

Well biblically speaking just because she stopped and overcame this addiction doesn’t mean she is of God. But good for her. None of this stuff people change or an experience mean anything

[@mrniceguy3750]

Anthony Suarez What you don’t understand is that she was addicted. She didn’t have the ability to change. She was very depressed because her life was just going down down down..... She had been reaching out to God for help. Night after night it was go get drugs. Do drugs. Get high. Cry about it. Pass out. Wake up. Repeat. Then one night , she broke down, she cried out to God for help. She may not have realized it, but she was repenting.... In just like that, God filled her with the Holy Ghost. She began to speak in tongues. It sounded like some kind of Asian language... After that night, she has never touched any substance!!!!That was 6 years ago. She was delivered instantly. I’ve been married to her for 26 years, and she always smoked pot or drank alcohol most every day. The meth was for about 3 years. We are talking needles in the arm everyday..... And just like that it’s all gone.... And you know what churches believe in that kind of power. One God Apostolic Pentecostal Holiness Churches.... So I’m packing my kids up and we are setting on the pew 3 times a week....

[@eladiosuarez7436]

Mr Nice guy again I repeat BIBLICALLY SPEAKING NO MATTER WHAT YOU CHANGE OR FIX IN YOUR LIFE OR WHATEVER EXPERIENCE SOMEONE HAS DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE SAVED UNTO ETERNAL LIFE

[@calebdesjardins616]

I grew up in a UPCI church that I loved for 34 years of my life (my entire life) my wife and I left due to doctrinal issues based on what we read in the Bible. Wrote a nice letter to the pastor to tell them it wasn’t anything personal and that we love them and wish no harm, will not proselytize anyone and would love to stay brothers and sisters in Christ. Since we’ve left people that I have known my whole life have completely cut us off. My wife has had lifelong friends “break up with her”. Lots of rumors started going around lying about our marriage etc. the pastor and pastors wife and some of my best friends haven’t even called or texted. I did get someone call me and tell me a “prophecy” that I won’t share cuz it was extremely obscene. I was a church leader, musician, media tech director, and a strong member of the community and within weeks we mean absolutely nothing to them. The love they have is extremely conditional based off of if they have influence and control over you. We since have joined a healthy church and more and more is showing me just how unhealthy some of the control and manipulation was. I don’t think anyone did anything purposely malicious to me while I was there, it’s just all they know and how they were taught. What happened after I left, was extremely telling tho.

[@leerysunchez9419]

Lots to read , I just wanna be a blessing to someone and let God move in my life

[@PETERJOHN101]

I am curious, what were the doctrinal concerns?

[@RayBrannon]

WOW! My brother, my heart goes out to you compassionately! God will bring everything that the enemy tried to destroy you with , meaning, out of ashes comes His real beauty and purpose for your life! I'm for you brother! I believe God directed you to leave to another work for His kingdom! God bless you brother & your new ministry! It's always the fact that no testing, means, no testimony! I weep with you! I worship with you! I rejoice with you & someday, I will be thrilled to meet you, my brother! You are a seasoned saint! A well experienced champion in the truth and in the faith! From one persecuted musician or minister of music to another, I can relate to you in pain & in victorious blessings of rejoicing in God! My name is, Ray. I play harmonica pro. & Key board, some guitar, recorder flute, some clarinet & piano church organ. And I have been a worship leader in 3 ministries. So, I know the pain & the joy too!!!! God bless!

[@audry9660]

I am so sorry you had that experience. I love that I have the holy ghost and it has been a great comforter. People mess us up and are messed up but God came that we might have life and life more abundantly. My dad is a true minister of God and has been the most loving disciple of Christ. I don't tell people my Dad is a preacher because I don't want them to discount him because I am super flawed ACCORDING to many of the standards. I wish everyone could know people like him. However, it has not saved me from anxiety and hardships hence, I published a book, "Confessions of A Preacher's Kid." I love Jesus and he has taught me to love myself. I am far from a good example, but grateful that Jesus has kept me alive and blessed my life regardless of people's opinions.

[@raymondboone9717]

I'm with upc for 29 years, but I'm so happy my church doesn't do that. We are taught to pick up your brother, not push him down. So if you had that in your church, then you were at the wrong church. My wife and i visited a pentecost church in Cleveland Ohio, and someone came in late. The preacher started in on them , in front of the congregation. Me and my wife just shook our heads , and couldn't believe what we heard. Later I was telling my pastor, and he said he wouldn't of done that. He said he would of been happy they showed up.... now I have seen some upc churches that's really strict, but I just keep my mouth shut.. I go to church to praise Jesus, not to condemn.. Well I hope you find another church, just don't give up on Jesus all together 🙏

[@roberteanes7707]

I was raised in the United Pentecostal Church and it has drastically affected my life. I wasn’t allowed to play any sports or attend any school functions. This led me to become very introverted and shy. I also suffer with low self esteem. I was fearful all the time and would call the church and hang up on when it hey answered to make sure the rapture didn’t happen if I had misbehaved. It was a horrible childhood. I have a lot of resentment in my heart that I have had to pray constantly to not be angry.

[@mindymassey2741]

I’m apostolic 100% & we are raising my children apostolic. Not every church is like this. Do not think they all are like this. This day & hour we need God,we need a good church that we’re being taught the truth!

[@defendfreedom777]

Well I hear this over and over that not every apostolic church is like this,I bet you the majority of them are exactly like this ! You know why? Because of the structure and organization of the UPC, pretty much the local preacher is in total control and not really accountable to anyone,and when he is accountable it's to men mostly like himself. Now I am not singling out just the UPC as there are plenty of others that are off track way out in left field or ran by apostates that are leading others straight to eternal Doom.

[@raymondboone9717]

I've been in upc for almost 29 years Oklahoma, and I can tell you my pastor is the real deal. Chosen by the lord, and he cares more about us than money or anything else. Him and his wife are big on reaching the lost, and loving everyone. We have many outreach programs, homeless alcoholic, drug and more. I have seen some churches that are not in the will, but I'm not going to judge. Remember what Jesus said, dust off your feet and MOVE ON... Jesus blessings 🙌🙏

[@imfacejacked6046]

You're lucky I know there are good pastors In the UPC but some places it's not that way and it can really mess you up having a corrupt bitter pastor

[@imfacejacked6046]

Ps I'm in upc

[@raymondboone9717]

@@imfacejacked6046 I can see what you are saying 100% , absolutely correct. That's why I love my pastor, not about him he wants the will of Jesus to move... I'm on Facebook, can friend me..

[@akdreaming]

Wow! This hit so close to home for me. Thank you for this because I still deal with what I was told in my very large UPC church. I remember during a revival from a visiting evangelist that had revival for a couple months. He had the church close our eyes and listen to a recording of what sounded like screams and people crying with fire cracking in the background. He said we should imagine that’s what our unsaved family members will be doing in hell unless we save them. I graduated from a UPC school where I was suspended for admitting I cut my hair (even though my hair was longer than the rest of the girls…but I wouldn’t lie about it). I agree there is some good about the organization but being told I displease God by wanting to cut my hair or heaven forbid see a movie did real damage. I still have family and friends in the organization so I’m cautious about talking about the issues I had with that so it’s wonderful to see this and someone who had a similar experience.

[@ResponsibleFaith]

I''m so sorry you were abused with that recording. Since all we can do is pray for those we love to be open to accepting Christ, and then sharing the gospel with them if they are open...there was no good reason for traumatizing people with a mental imagine like that. It's abusive.

[@elizebeths.8880]

Oh shiiii... I forgot about that. They played that in my old church too, and said the same thing. LOTS of crying women, and some heartbreaking screams hidden in there.

[@ronniegreen3513]

As a young man, I married a UPC girl. I was very moral and Christian, but not the UPC style of Christian. That was 40 years ago, I don't know anyone who grew up in that Church that isn't wacked. I hate to see the Gospel of love and forgiveness turned into a backbiting, just plain hateful group of people. Still I believe that there are many in that Church who are redeemed, but I wouldn't want anybody to have to grow up that way.

[@josieruiz3946]

He must be a true follower of Jesus. No matter how bad PEOPLE HAVE BEEN. HE DID SAY FORGIVE THEM! Love your neighbors, pray for your enemies! Be Christ like and much more. Read the word . If you were afraid you should have run to Jesus.

[@josieruiz3946]

Yes the bride, that is the true church will be with Jesus ,some left Why? Because they went their intent way. I LOVE J3SUS AND I WILL FOLOW HIM ,HE SAID BE YOU HOLY FOR I AM HOLY. NO FLESH OR SIN WILL ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD THIS BIRTH IS SPIRITUAL. BORN AGAIN JOHN 3:3-6 A MUST. STOP LOOKING AT THE WRONG AND DO RIGHT.

[@ashleypatterson3505]

I had a very similar experience with the pastor of the church I had attended since birth. It was an independent Apostolic church. After he spoke about me from the pulpit, I left and never went back. My parents and a few other family members followed suit. I started attending a UPCI church in a town about 30 minutes away. It is the most loving church and I am so thankful to be a part of it. I completely understand the "pillars & lepers" saying. If I had gave up on church and God completely after that one bad experience, I would have never found the loving church that I attend today. There is good and bad in all things in life- churches included. The independent church definitely had some huge double standards. Today I thank the Lord for what happened because it got to me to where I am today.

[@ResponsibleFaith]

I'm glad you found a church that you enjoy and that is a good fit for you. You did the right thing by leaving if your pastor was a pulpit bully. I must admit, I've never heard the "pillars & lepers" saying before? Many of us who leave the UPCI don't give up on God and serve him wholeheartedly. Of course there is good and bad in everything, but sadly spiritual abuse carries a deep wounding that is hard for many to recover from. For some it's not a matter of "giving up", it's more a matter of struggling to recover from trauma (some of it much worse than what you or I have experienced). It's understandable for those people to retreat from everything that represents their pain. My heart breaks for those people. It doesn't help when "the church" is harsh on them in their suffering instead of showing compassion and love.

[@jeffrehbein5449]

Holiness is obeying God from what He tells you, Legalism is telling other people how to behave.

[@Natalia-nx5nu]

Every upc church is different. Some are kind some are mean. Some have truth and some don't. The 90s were ruff. I ended up leaving the church at 18 then after a long road I missed Him. I missed him so much I couldn't breath. I'm in the church again and so lucky I found a church that doesn't judge. So lucky

[@ResponsibleFaith]

Leaving the UPC and walking away from your faith were two seperate things. I'm happy to hear that you came back to Christ. If you've managed to find a UPC church that does not harshly judge and control, you are lucky and I am truly happy for you. Finding one that understands and preaches the gospel is important. Blessings to you as we follow Christ.

[@calebross3790]

I feel bad that you experienced all this. I’m upc and have dealt with some very undesirable people in the upc. I’d love to hear more stories, because more and more young people are silently struggling from abuse they have endured.

[@ResponsibleFaith]

Sorry to hear that Caleb. I have some interviews lined up which I hope will be a comfort and encouragement to people who have dealt with abuse within the Christian community.

[@jeffrey7800]

Jesus said pick up thy cross and follow HIM.Ask him for HIS WILL in your life. Leave religion. Follow Him. Seek and you will find. Knock and the door will be open. I ask Jesus to heal your wounds.

[@ResponsibleFaith]

Thank you, they're healed. This story I shared happened almost 18 years ago.

[@amandakaricunningham4116]

I was raised Pentecostal Holiness...and I feel everything ur saying I didn't know till I was grown God was a loving and forgiving God same with my mom she told me she felt the same as a child. I was scared all the time I'd pray every night for God to save my soul.

[@ResponsibleFaith]

I'm so sorry to hear that, it's a hard way to grow up. It's such a relief to understand His love and grace.

[@timholloway8821]

Oh yes, that feeling like you cant do enough to be saved, i have been there many times as a oneness. Im out now and lost everything in the process, even my wife. Thank GOD for pulling me out of that legalistic, dogmatic, church.

[@jackiehavea5849]

God bless Amanda Keep loving Jesus Arohanui (NZ)

[@markchandler5479]

“I don’t know how you could not believe in anything” That is a great line! Thanks for sharing your at tomes heartbreaking story in your folksy often humorous style. Great video as usual! You are giving many others courage! The truth is slowly coming to the surface.

[@ResponsibleFaith]

Thank you Mark, glad you enjoyed it!

[@beckylong7071]

This is so true. I grew up baptist, got saved when I was 12 but I was baptized in the holy trinity, father, son, Holy Spirit. In 2019, my friend invited me to the UPC church. I thought it made sense to be baptized in the name of Jesus. The day I was saved in the Baptist church, I was so happy. When I saw people receiving the Holy Spirit, they seemed to be crying and wailing. I went there for about 1 year. My husband told me I was becoming someone else. I then thought about it. It seems like to this day, she was only my friend to get me to come to church. Now speaking in tongues, always freaked me out. People talking in a different dialect was strange. I tried, I raised my hands, but freaked out. I was crying and people were yelling at me “just let it go”. Relax you mouth, “let it all out”. I just started trying it and they went wild. Did I feel any different, no maam

[@ResponsibleFaith]

I'm sorry your friend wasn't a true friend. I've experienced that too. I've also heard many people say that their experience in strict apostolic churches changed them into someone else (and not in a self improvement kind of way).

[@guesswhomartin9249]

Becky Long... Thank you for sharing. Yeah... When I got Born Again. This was all new to me. My whole life, I've only known Catholicism. After I got Born Again, I came across, Jehovah's Witness and Mormanism. But somehow something wasn't right. Then I also came across The Baptist Church. It really surprised me about your story ( unless I'm reading it wrong ), because the Baptist don't believe in speaking in tongues. I attended a Baptist Church for about 6 months. I don't think it was a whole year. I guess you could say: I was looking for a Home Church. And then I finally found my home church. I probably started speaking in tongues at the age 22. My guess.

[@ResponsibleFaith]

Max, I don't recall saying that tongues and prophecy are not of God?

[@guesswhomartin9249]

@@ResponsibleFaith .... You're doing a great job.. keep up the good work. Remember, you will always have those who will want to argue their point. There are even those who teach they're the only ones right, everybody else is wrong.

[@thabanisithole6398]

@Max Power Yes it is real 100% true

[@ashlieleavelle]

I am a Baptist Pastor's wife. I am sorry you were so hurt in your church. Thank you for sharing your story and God bless.

[@ronaldshank7589]

You mentioned about being a Baptist Preacher's Wife, and that's great to hear. I, too, used to worship in the United Pentecostal Movement...but I began to notice some things, such as the whole "Speaking In Tongues" thing, that really began to bother me. Some of the stuff that I personally witnessed through the different forms of Media available nowadays, was how a Baptist Preacher was in a Oneness Pentecostal meeting, and it was made to look like he had received "The Baptism of the Holy Spirit", which is not even found in the Holy Bible! The Bible makes mention of the 120 People in the Upper Room, that received the Holy Spirit, and began to speak with Tongues. (Languages), as the Spirit gave the utterance. As a result, Devout Men out of every Nation under Heaven heard the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and Saving Grace, heard this Gospel preached to them, and, by the time that Peter finished speaking, about 3,000 People were converted! There were other instances that occured in the Book of Acts, where people received this gift, and were able to tell others about Jesus...but then, there's the Occurrences, that are found in 1 Corinthians 14, where Unknown Tongues are specifically forbidden. After that, we never see it mentioned, ever again. As for the Baptist Preacher, mentioned towards the start of this message, I don't think he really received The Baptism at all. I think he got fooled! This same United Pentecostal "Evangelist" has been famous for a bunch of erroneous things, that I've picked up on personally!

[@ashlieleavelle]

@@ronaldshank7589 So many in the church ( in every denomination), lie and speak things that aren't true. It is really sad. Not everyone who claims to be a follower of Jesus really does follow Jesus.

[@valpaminiano3262]

I can relate. I got saved from a oneness pentecostal church (UPC) in the Philippines but I left for a similar reason that you went through. But I am still a believer up until this day and even understood grace better than when I was still in the UPC. You are an inspiration. Thank you for sharing your story.

[@ResponsibleFaith]

Thank you Val, I'm glad you have an understanding of grace!

[@kristalvick9857]

This is terrifying and also so disappointing to hear. 😣 People suffer so much shame and guilt from sins they commit or standards they fall short on, and the culture of the UPCI is not always forgiving. That’s the problem. As a UPCI attendee, I think it is important for fellow believers and future believers to know that everyone makes mistakes, but your mistakes should not stop you from being apart of ministry and fellowship. We are all in this together.

[@robertberrios1203]

The sign of a cult is that when God moves you out, you’re ostracized by the holy of holies. I don’t care if you’re baptized in Jesus Name 1000 times, if you don’t have the heart of God and enjoy being judgmental, you may not be saved.

[@pamelaespinosa6870]

Bible says not to even eat with reprobates

[@deborahballard7662]

AMEN!!!

[@signsandsymbols6487]

I've been coming across similar testimonials lately with people getting hurt by their church leaders or pastor's. I just want to go to church to get a hold of God, not to play church or politic and end up being hurt or used. I recently had a situation too and I didn't see it coming, but I prayed and still praying on it but I told myself to have thick skin and don't let anyone put out my fire for Jesus but it did knock me back for a little while truthfully lately I'm feeling my fire building back up and really giving it to God because I didn't work this hard and neither did God to let people toy with our destiny's and spiritual health and fire for Jesus. Great testimony, keep seeking God and pray your testimony helps others and makes you strong. I was just thinking there's two kinds of sin, our sin and the sin other people do to us, we have to fight both and the repercussions it causes us spiritually. God bless you 🙏🙌

[@lydiaclapham1221]

Hi. I listened to your story. I've been crying, partly from the deep hidden wounds and partly with joy because I totally relate to everything U said. And u told your story honestly and beautifully. I think U are truly God's chosen. I believe the mystery of God lies in both oneness and the trinity. God is a Tribune God. 3 in 1. 1 in 3. All the fullness of God is in Jesus at the same time all the fullness of God reigns in heaven. Then again He is omnipresent. I know that Christ Jesus will be on the throne above the fermament. 💘 U, thank U, God Bless. lc

[@ResponsibleFaith]

Thank you Lydia. Sometimes it's a healing balm to just hear other peoples stories and know that you're not alone. I humbled that you were encouraged by mine. God Bless you as you heal.

[@guesswhomartin9249]

Lydia Clapham... Thank you for sharing... Loved your comment. Very nicely said.

[@aliciawilson7312]

I have struggled so hard for 20 years after leaving UPC. I can't go anywhere else and I feel so guilty. It's really hard. I believe in baptizing in Jesus Name and no other churches do that. I wonder if I can ever be close to God again. I feel like He is dealing with me, I love Him, and I don't know what to do!

[@utterlynice1]

Dear Alicia, i am writing because i am moved by your testimony. You said there are no other churches that teach Jesus baptism. I moved to upstate NY last year and there were two UPCI churches i checked out but they just didn’t fit for me. I kept praying and i happen to be out with my sister and niece and we went to buy rum cake from a vender & as i approached the gentleman to get a sample and we started to talk and he was from a local church that had a bakery that raised money for the Christian School they ran. He gave me a card and as i read the card i saw that they were of the Apostolic faith. I commented that I was Apostolic and he said he knew that i was. The next Sunday i attended and began to attend periodically still praying for the will of God. And as time went on, I knew but the Spirit of the believers and love they gave so generously. I will be praying for you and know the Lord will lead you to the right place for you sister. Please know that there are good churches out there and that love and serve Jesus. God bless you!!

[@ResponsibleFaith]

First of all, He loves you too. ❤ Secondly, you shouldn't feel guilt for leaving a group or even not attending church (neither of those things are sinful). It is healthy/good to have Christian fellowship and I hope you can find that soon, for your own comfort and spiritual support. I do feel like there are churches who baptize "in Jesus name" besides the UPC (if that is something that is important to you). Maybe you could call around to different churches and ask them their beliefs about baptism? I also would like to encourage you that you can draw near to God in any environment, even at home. It doesn't take church attendance to be a Christian or to walk with Him. I understand your desire to find a church that teaches your beliefs, but you will probably never find one that believes everything exactly the same as you. If you do try to find other churches who hold this belief the same as you and cannot...it's possible that for the sake of your own encouragement and support you may have to look closer at your belief about baptism and decide whether it's clear enough (as the only way) in scripture to keep you from fellowshipping with other believers. There are times we have to agree to disagree about some things, but we can still love each other and fellowship together. The churches who baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit also have scripture which they hold dear to support their belief (and theirs was commanded by Jesus himself). They too are very sincere people who love and serve Jesus. I don't think this is an issue that should isolate you from fellowshipping with other believers. I hope you will find some resolution for this soon.

[@nixchillin]

The Holy Ghost is pouring out on many young people in these last days. I saw fifty Jesus name baptisms in San Francisco in one day. We're not UPCI, we're Holy Ghost filled followers of Christ. Signs and wonders follow. I used to tell people to find a church that suits them. Now I say fund a Holy Ghost filled church. Any church that doesn't have signs and wonders isn't a church. Our women even gina step further and use head coverings when praying or prophesying. But they prophesy. They heal. They drive out demons. So i dont know why this woman fell away. But it was predicted that many would. Now, however, God is calling all the saints to come back. These young people i mentioned earlier all received the Holy Ghost 4 months ago. Some at home. Some at church. Some on the street. This is the latter rain. The latter rain will be greater than the former rain. Please seek Him while He may be found. The enemy wants us divided. The Bible says if one of you make a thousand flee, 2 of you make ten thousand flee. The demons are scared of us. God Bless anyone that reads this. Praise God

[@ResponsibleFaith]

The "falling away" you are referring to is actual apostasy (leaving one's faith in Christ). It is not a matter of leaving a specific denomination/church. Your assessment of what constitutes a real "church" would disqualify the majority of Christianity (Pentecostal churches included). "Signs and wonders" are not the measuring stick...faith in Christ and His finished work on the cross is. The church is the body of believers, the people...not a building people attend. I'm cautious of putting too much stock in "signs". It's pretty easy to fake some of these signs, wonders and tongues. I'm all for seeing the power of the Holy Spirit at work, as long as it really is Him...but the "wonder" I love to see is a life transformed by the power of the Holy Spirit, which causes them to humble themselves, apologise (if need be), make things in their life "right", and begin to walk in the fruit of the Spirit (love). I've seen too many "tongue talkers" who display none of that.

[@nixchillin]

@@ResponsibleFaith actually, the Bible says signs and wonders will follow. But according to your faith be it unto you. Remember to not lean on thine own understanding, but in all thy ways acknowledge the Lord, and He shall direct thy path. Also, there's a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof is death. Many will say to Him.on that day Lord, Lord. He will say I never knew you, depart from me, ye workers of iniquity. Also the fruits of the Spirit are spiritual maturity. You need to find another church if they don't have the fruits of the Spirit. And if they do zoom church you should find another as well. Furthermore, im not talking about a church building. Im talking about the Body of Christ. The Bride of Christ. The real church

[@Lifeisgoodyall]

Yes. I applied to UPCI Bible College and my pastor wouldn't sign off bc he decided I was going for a husband. My youth pastor did sign off on it. I was SHOCKED when I saw that I needed a dr to sign off on a "virginity check." The dr refused to check my hymen and I begged him to believe me that I was intact. In the end, he did sign it. At the college, I had a teacher that constantly made me wash my face bc she swore I was wearing makeup and she measured my hem line all the time. This was always done in public spaces. So much trauma from that experience.

[@ResponsibleFaith]

Wow, I don't even know what to say. I've never heard of a "virginity check"! That's terrible. And how prey tell did they check the boys? I'm guessing their word was good enough? Honestly, I'm surprised your Youth pastors signature was enough to ensure your acceptance. I'm sorry for what you went through.

[@CKoinonia1]

WOW- Might I ask which UPC Bible college this was which required a "virginity check?" That's sick!

[@Lifeisgoodyall]

@@CKoinonia1 Texas Bible College around 1998.

[@toripayne1802]

Crunchy-ish Mama omg I know people that go there I cannot believe that I’m so sorry that happened to you but they do call it Texas bridal college for a reason you know

[@BayMom84]

I very seriously doubt that. I know hundreds of people that went to TBC and never have heard anything of the sort.

[@cindywasmundt1625]

I’m forever grateful that Jesus Christ drew me to a United Pentecostal Church. For the first time in my life, I heard that I could receive the gift of the Holy Ghost just like the disciples did in the Book of Acts in the New Testament. I was raised in a Christian church all of my life, but no one there told me that I could have the gift of the Holy Ghost. The Holy Ghost is rivers of living water! I loved Jesus all of my life and believed in His Word, the Holy Bible. I praise Jesus Christ for bringing Gweynn Morris Miller and I together. She asked me “Have you received the Holy Ghost yet?” I sounded like John’s disciples in Acts 19. I had never heard of this, God’s Promise. As I said, I had been to a Christian church all of my life 3 times a week and more some weeks. I went to Youth Camps, but not one of their members or Ministers told me that I could receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. No one there prayed for me to receive this living water. HALLELUJAH Jesus Christ saw me and heard me! And He brought Gweynn into my life. I’ll be forever grateful for the United Pentecostal Church! 🙏🏻

[@ResponsibleFaith]

I'm happy to hear that you had a good experience in the United Pentecostal Church, I know other people who have as well. I'm surprised that as a Christian, you'd never heard of speaking in tongues before the UPC (since much of Pentecostalism speaks in tongues). I must confess, I always find it interesting when religious people hear stories of abuse within their ranks, and seem unable to engage on any level of empathy and compassion but go straight into defense mode and start singing the praises of their man made organizations. If I were UPC, I would want to make sure these things don't happen to anyone else. They're not happening to "outsiders", they happen to your own people, I was one of you when this all happened to me. You can't fix what you won't acknowledge. I'm not just saying this about you personally, I'm sure you're probably a nice lady and honestly I can't even be sure you watched my story (many people comment based on the title alone), but I see similar responses regularly. I guess I can understand feeling loyal to your group but sadly there are a lot of casualties left in the wake of loyalty to the UPCI. I hope this is something they will learn to handle better in the future. The body of Christ is not a business organization with special tax status...it's a worldwide group of believers who recognize that there is nothing we can do to earn our salvation. We've placed our faith in the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross. I'll be forever grateful for His sacrifice and that He took the punishment for my sin and extended His unmerited favor and grace to me. I'm righteous only because I stand in His righteousness (otherwise, none of us stand a chance...our own righteousness is filthy rags). I hope that's where your faith lies too Cindy. God Bless.

[@bigdogtim7998]

@@k93day - As one who is Holy Ghost filled with the evidence of speaking with other tongues, I find your question very odd. Who was there in the upper room to witness the infilling of the Holy Ghost, that is now hear today? The Holy Ghost and Tongues is a personal and very special experience that whomever has experienced it has experienced God Almighty speaking another language through them, earthly or not. It’s the most amazing experience I’ve ever had and it took seconds after I hit the alter to receive, because I gave my all to Jesus Christ that night as I was preached the Truth in the Word, that I had never heard as a Catholic.

[@mr.authentic2505]

Your a lost

[@emilyturnage2417]

Me and my boyfriend have found grace and joy I was raised in apostolic church and he was not he opened my eyes and I realized I was never really taught about who Jesus was and about the gospel I never really had a relationship with Jesus I was just religious and depended on man but now I know the gospel and the way truth and the life most of all my family is apostolic and I’m still young so it’s very hard bc I can’t leave I’m only 17 and my bf is 19 we are planning on leaving when we get married soon I hope. It’s so draining and hard feeling judged all the time bc we are not doing what they do a lot of them judge the outward and not inward but Jesus judges the heart and Ik God has a plan for us even if I have to leave my whole family I will do it for Jesus please pray for us🙏🏻 and thanks for sharing✝️

[@jesusleguia7950]

I am from the United Pentecostal Church of Colombia and I am 19 years old I am just a young man, I have been through the same situation, problems with clothing with hair, I think that this is the biggest problem for a young man in a conservative church, clothes are not It saves, but what I am sure of is that the doctrine that we Pentecostals have, the apostolic doctrine, is unique and has no value in this world, being baptized in the name of Jesus and receiving the Holy Spirit has no comparison, clothing is something that the man adapted to his whim, but the doctrine if nobody can change it.

[@courtney2256]

I can't believe the amount of comments in here bashing you for this. They are a prime example of how toxic this religion is. Thank you for telling your story so others (like me) don't feel so alone. I was raised in the UPC and left as soon as I could at 17. I'm now 28 and still traumatized from my childhood. I have not stepped foot in a church for 11 years and haven't put on a skirt either. I remember when I was in middle school I asked my mom if I could cut my hair. She told me no but I was upset because she cut, dyed and permed her hair. But she did it to "hide the gray hair". How hypocritical. That's just one example. Kudos to you for being so brave and sharing!

[@TheOverlapLifewithTimBarber]

Man, some of the comments in this video are shocking. I think that this sanctimonious religious pride on display in the people attacking you is the clearest indication possible that I'm never again going to get deeply involved in an institutional church. For me "the church" is not a 501(c)(3) non profit or a building or any of that. I am considering "the church" to be all those following Jesus and living as though He really is king. And I just trust the Spirit to bring me across the paths of the people with whom He wants me to relate.

[@josemor3910]

GOD bless Sister Deanna! Thank you so much for sharing your life story. You’re testimony really impacted me and I agree with what you talked about. I attend an Apostolic church but have decided to no longer attend along with my wife. We also have many stories of things that happened that pushed us into leaving. I pray that if others watch your videos that have been hurt, they heal and keep on trusting in JESUS.

[@jill7111]

I was saved BEFORE I went to the UPC. I went with a friend from school. We had just recently moved to town and I didn’t know anybody yet. The first service there I went to the altar just to pray. Not to repent because I was already saved. But people assumed I was repenting. I spoke in tongues (I guess) and then the next thing I knew they wanted me to be baptized. (Acts 2:38 you know.) So I did that. I kept going though and eventually my whole family started going too. I married someone from the church. I was 17 when I started going to the UPC. After a few years I started questioning things and started studying the Bible for myself instead of being spoon fed from the pulpit. I was shocked to find out how much false doctrine there was. Eventually I left and took my little girl with me. This was the beginning of the end of my marriage. You’re right - the shunning is real. But I was so happy to be out of there I didn’t care. This was over 40 years ago and some memories don’t fade. Like you, I did make some good friends there and we had a lot of good times. We still do. I meet some of these friends for lunch sometimes. They’ve all left the UPC too!

[@mikehardy4474]

I was just the opposite for me.Every Baptist church was dead so I went to a great UPC church with no rules at all.We have men and women with many visable tatoos,face piercings,longer hair and beards.It is fine with everyone in the church.It is a very caring wonderful church family.I am so blessed to be there.

[@loveroffreedomp.5426]

Well, then you have found peace, right? Why get on a public forum and slander a church? Do a search on slander, gossip, and backbiting. See if it fits in with what God says! Read Proberbs 6:6-19! Praying you are Blessed!

[@shanejohnson4688]

This is awesome and understand everything you are saying, I grew up in Louisiana into UPC penticostal religion. My parents divorced over this religion and my mom remarried which affected me greatly. Growing up my brother was my youth pastor and looked up to him as a major figure in my life which he still is today. We as a disfunctional family had to act as we were perfect with every move we made as to not make my brother look bad. My step brother (Len Whitaker)has his own church in and my older brother(Sean Johnson) is high figure within his church and preaches in Bro murrell Ewing's church. I am no longer a penticostal, but do enjoy going to church when I am in louisiana, but i can tell just the way they look at me some suprise me while others act like they have no clue who i am.The fact that they believe that all non penticostals are going to hell just blows my mind. Before she died I asked my mom how do you believe that whole country's are going to hell. Which all penticostals believe. Her response I will never forget. She said ( I have always wandered about this) I missed my whole youth on real interactions interactions outside the church with others which I still deal with in my 30's not feeling like im worthless outside the church. I still hold strong penticostal morrals. I don't know if I have a good morals or if the church has imprinted these morals on me. Now that Rev Murrell Ewing as passed his son-in-law Aaron Lopez took over which is a great man by the way. Everything we couldn't do as kids are now fine. We were forbin to have a TV and now its fine. When i asked my brother/preacher about this he said the church is modernizing. It feels like I missed out on my youth sports,dances,dating, and a whole slew of things which makes me furious!

[@pamelaespinosa6870]

That's The problem,The Church is so called MODERNIZING

[@brookemendoza1784]

I’m so sorry you went through this. I promise, not all UPC churches are like this. Including my home church. If there is someone here going through something like this, tell the board, tell the district president. The UPCI is run as an organization and has a version of HR. You are not alone and something like this does need to be addressed. ❤️❤️❤️

[@ResponsibleFaith]

Thank you. I know not all UPC churches are like this, and I'm glad to hear your church is not. As an advocate against spiritual abuse and being a member of private FB groups for ex-UPC members, I can assure you...they often do nothing when abuse is reported to them; situations much worse than mine. Church boards notoriously back the pastor, district boards usually back their friends/peers, and District Superintendents are not about to allow a hint of scandal during their reign of power. It would take something they were worried about being held legally liable for, or something that was blatant sin and would cause scandal if ignored, for them to deal with a minister. Spiritual abuse is barely on the radar from what I've seen and heard. In my case, I was 17 yrs old, nobody in our church had a clue about any type of reporting procedure, the church board was full of "yes men" who would never disagree with the pastor, my pastor was the section Presbyter and his best friend was the District Superintendent. They went to Bible College together and stood up in each others weddings. Unfortunately, this dynamic is way more common than you might think. Reporting and accountability sound good in theory. But as David Bernard likes to constantly remind people, all their churches are autonomous. When the rubber meets the road, there's very little accountability for spiritual abuse.

[@nancyshirah8427]

A person with an experience is never at the mercy of a person with an argument

[@defendfreedom777]

Yes all UPC churches are exactly like this !

[@davidrowe6816]

WOW I know those fears myself. being between 5 and 11 laying in bed scared to death I was also going to hell, and just one night coming to terms with my own mortality and losing my fear of life and death which no one at such a young age should ever have to face. as for speaking in tongues and dancing in the gift of the holy ghost again at such a young age and feeling obligated I admit I faked it just to get passed the stigma of not having in a sense or the reality coming into the sacred fold. now as I am older having found a new life path I love my grand memories, and many a day I miss the good times, the pot luck gatherings, the friends, the camp meetings, and just the feeling of family that were such an amazing part of making the man I am today, and a foundation to build on, but I also have no regrets my decision to walk away from the church and the faith.

[@satirical140]

So many angered and awful Upci people in the comments. I didn’t expect this much , but it is the Upci after all. I’m very sorry for all of these awful comments and do know your story reaches people. I left the Upci about a year ago and am still in the beginning of the healing process. I was only in it for about four and a half years, but that was enough to cause significant damage to my social health, appearance and relationships. Thanks for sharing! Might make a video like this whenever I’m ready to talk about it.

[@ResponsibleFaith]

Sadly some of them do showcase attitudes in these comments that make it easy for anyone reading to understand how someone might find themselves in an abusive situation in one of their churches. They also showcase why someone might choose to leave. I don't know why they behave this way, I'm sure it must be so embarrassing for the UPC people who are kind and loving to see. smh Wishing you peace and healing on your journey. If you feel the need for support (which can be so helpful), there are private support groups on FB. You can email me for info at [e-mail] if you would ever like to try one out.

[@anthonycrane1860]

Incapable of taking correction is proof of error. Try challenging people in this movement, they can't take criticism.

[@dteach7]

I had an opposite experience with the United Pentecostal church in Ontario, Canada as a teenager and young adult. It was a place I felt taught me how to study the word in an in-depth manner. No one forced me to do anything. Scriptures were provided for what was believed and I was able to develop my own walk with God.

[@sunnycriti9809]

cHRIST jESUS NEVER CALLED PEOPLE TO FOLLOW CHURCHES. RATHER FOLLOW JESUS CHRIST TO HAVE A HIGH EXALTED LIVE

[@marciawalker9447]

I understand what you are saying. There are some ministers that are not right but you should not let them force you out of the church because it is not their Church, it is God's Church. I am going through something in the Church God place me in but as long as I am following the word of God and praying about my situations, I am find. Yes remarks are made from the pulpit, there is gossip, etc. The fact of the matter is that they did not die for me on the cross and they are not my judge. I ignore what they say if it does not match up to God's word and even let them know what does say the word. If I am in the wrong I repent but other than that I tell the Lord everything. If you don't say anything to God, He will not do anything about it. I have seen God work on my behalf many times. Men of God comes there preached about what is going on there where they have to go up and repent. Seek God's face and tell Him everything don't leave anything out and let Him handle it for you but you start by repenting first and forgive them from your heart. None if us is perfect although some people believe they are but when we repent of our sins that leave us in good standing with God.

[@kc17821]

I ask anybody who reads these messages have respect for those who have been injured. And don’t waste your time trying to cause additional harm.We all understand UPC beliefs and practices. Please pray and keep your comments to yourself. Yes the Bible says Salvation is in Jesus. Love God And Love your neighbor.

[@pamelaespinosa6870]

Love others ,and JESUS

[@elizebeths.8880]

This makes me more confident to share my story. Thank you so much for not just sharing, but making a safe channel for others to share.

[@saraannvigil]

This makes me so sad that you had this experience with UPCI, I have had quite the opposite experience with the UPCI, and love it completely, not just the denomination but the biblical standards, holiness standards, & truth of the word of God. Many denominations and churches get a bad rap for other mistakes..I hope you find the truth of the word in whatever you do! May the love of God bless you!

[@ResponsibleFaith]

I'm glad you've had a good experience in the UPC so far, you're young and I hope that continues for you. Some people do like the standards and the way the UPC teaches. I honestly wouldn't wish spiritual abuse on anyone no matter what group they are part of. I appreciate your kind comment and hope you do walk in the truth of the gospel as well. Blessings to you.

[@moncebravo4493]

Amen. Not from the UPCI I’m from the (AA, apostolic assembly in the faith of Jesus Christ...same oneness doctrine). But I attend their services and familiar with it. It really is sad, but we got to remember that we don’t go to church for the pastor or the people, but for Jesus. Switching churches is an option if one feels like the leadership isn’t “good”. But backsliding isn’t an option. I pray that everyone comes back to conviction, holiness, and his true word in Jesus name!!

[@ResponsibleFaith]

I'm not sure if you're referring to me, but I never "backslid". I loved Jesus through it all. I never went to church "for the pastor or for people"...so hurt feelings were not the reason I left. It was spiritual abuse, plain and simple. I was from a small town and very acquainted with people gossiping and making rude comments...that was not the reason I was driven out of my home church at 17. Within groups that have several rules, teach an unhealthy submission to "pastoral authority" and create an "us vrs. them" mentality...spiritual abuse is incredibly common. When I finally left for good in my 20's I had studied my way out...it had nothing to do with people. Faith in Christ is the center of our Christian walk.

[@moncebravo4493]

@@ResponsibleFaith amen, and no I’m not calling you a backslider to clear the air up. As long as you’re still in Gods path, He will help you along the way.

[@ResponsibleFaith]

No problem. I wasn't sure...so I figured I'd better clarify. So often UPC people equate leaving the UPC with leaving God and I always try to clarify that is not the case at all. Sometimes people reading the comments who are thinking about leaving their group are already fearful from all the warnings and unhealthy teachings they have received that I go out of my way to emphasize that faith in Christ has nothing to do with denominations or organizations.

[@chezhaataja]

July of 2015 changed my life for good. I think about this moment every day of my life and I wouldn’t ever regret walking up to the alter. For about 20 yrs my life was spiraling down to hell as a angry selfish lustful drunk and I seeked the Lord diligently for deliverance and once Sunday evening during a revival service there was a alter call and so I grabbed my wife’s hand and walked up to the alter and that’s when the miracle happened for me. I first smelled cedar strong and then I was curious why the ladies were laughing to my right and I walked over to them and my wife was told to touch me in the belly and when she touched my belly I felt the power of God instantly flowing through me like electricity and I felt unspeakable joy in my chest the best way to describe it lol I was laughing and weeping all at once and I was soooooo happy I was jumping for Joy praising God with all my strength and I didn’t want this Heavenly taste to stop. I am so thankful what what Jesus did for me. I can love ❤️ the Lord Jesus and my wife instead of the alcohol or porn that used to be in between. I am ever so grateful for the miracle that took place that time and day. All Glory and Praise to God the Most High! God is definitely moving in the UPCI. This is only a part of My Testimony.

[@ResponsibleFaith]

I'm truly happy to hear that God has saved and delivered you. The fact that it happened within a UPCI church does not mean that everything they teach and do is correct...it just means that God in His great love and mercy heard your prayer and touched your life. It happens in plenty of places (Praise God for that). I don't doubt that God moves within the UPCI churches as He is not bound by anything, He loves us and He moves anywhere He wants to. Sometimes people think that if God moves in their church that it means that He has sanctioned all of their teachings, their leadership and everything that goes on...I would disagree. I also believe sometimes He moves in spite of those things.

[@abbyromero8837]

Powerful testimony🙏🏾. God is merciful! I don’t she should generalize all upc churches

[@arkbuildersparadigm564]

The judgment is painful to deal with, because it often comes as a result of a certain standard that you have to meet in order to be accepted. If you don’t meet the criteria then you are not in the club.

[@brunnyrodriguez7462]

That church reminds me of a bunch of self righteous Pharisees. I can relate to you because I converted in a very strict Pentecostal church in 1993. Today I’m free from the strictness. We’re saved by Grace not by works.

[@scarletshield009]

Yet what happened to the verse that faith without works is dead? What does that even mean now?

[@redneckway6456]

True faith is shown by your works.

[@guesswhomartin9249]

My sad story is: I came to know Jesus as my Lord and savior in the year 1978. I was 18 at the time. We were raised Catholic. I got Born Again in a broken down little crack in the wall Four Scare Christian Church. This was all new to me. All my life, I've only known The Catholic church. Then at 18, I got Born Again. My family thought I flipped. 2 yrs later my uncle died. Wow,,,,, I never shared Jesus with him. I walked around in that guilt for many years to come. Then one day, The Lord spoke to me saying: Your uncle was a grown man. I made sure he heard the gospel of Jesus at least ones in his life. Your uncle made his decision. Now, go free, don't walk in that guilt anymore. Wow, now I felt so relieved. All that time I felt my uncle is in hell, and it's all my fault for not sharing Jesus with him. The Lord showed me: it's The Holy Spirit job to make sure everybody hears the gospel at least ones in their life. What we do with that decision is on the individual. Thank you again for sharing your story. Love your videos.

[@cindycarroll2741]

Thanks for speaking out about this. I grew up in UPC and both parents were ordained ministers and missionaries. I’ve been through very similar situations only amplified due to being a preacher’s kid. I finally in my 30’s stepped back and started reading and studying and what revelations to behold! Growing up in the United Pentecostal Church has a total brainwashing effect that is so very hard to break away from. Now at 57 years of age I say to people that I’m a recovering Pentecostal...which most think is very funny, but believe me, I am serious about it.

[@ResponsibleFaith]

I completely understand what you mean about recovering from false beliefs. And for many of us, those false beliefs (legalism) produce bad fruit and fear in our lives. If you're interested in connecting with others who have been through the same experiences, feel free to message me at [e-mail] and I can point you to some private online support groups. Community is so helpful in dealing with this.

[@atray3288]

I am not really a religious person. Rarely attend church, only on Christmas when I was much younger, and I don’t know many religious people. That being said, your story is very interesting. I watched the full 40 minutes. I never knew how intense the church could be. It’s almost a “back door” abuse of that makes sense. Not like getting beat up or sexually abused. It’s all mental and hush hush which almost seems just as damaging. You’re a great story teller. I wish you all the best. I hope your daughter is well.

[@bravesfan19791]

I've been pentecostal my whole life! My family left the UPC back in 88 when we left South Carolina no I don't know why. As I've gotten older I can see why we did! I don't agree with some of the thing's they teach. And some that are in the UPC are stuck up etc. I was independent pentecostal for 19 year's during that time I backslid several time's. Did thing's I'm not proud of! I'm back at a UPC church and I've known the pastor and several of the people in that church for 20+ year's. Some of the UPC have pastor's that teach thing's that aren't in the bible like tv. I have a problem with that. I've got a tv and I go to theater's and them park's. I got Holy Ghost at 16 been baptized twice! Leaving the apostolic truth is the biggest mistake anyone can make. Leaving the UPC is fine but if you want to stay right with GOD you need to find a none UPC apostolic church. In this age we can't afford to be misleading

[@PrettyGoodLookin]

Religion is FAKE.

[@ResponsibleFaith]

UPC/Apostolic Christians have made an idol of their organizations and doctrines. Leaving Jesus Christ would be the biggest mistake anyone could make, not leaving a certain type of church. As far as "apostolic truth" is concerned, very little of what I hear taught at "apostolic" churches was ever discussed by the apostles.

[@arush197214]

So sorry you had to endure that shunning. I belonged to the UPC over 30 years worked for free. It caused family problems always working for free at church and little time left for family. I was a big Tither. Yes much is left out but I left the church and was shunned for years. It was brutal. I love Jesus and He rescued away from them. Now I don't Tithe. It is not biblical for the Gentile Church, also not for the Jew until they get their Temple in Jerusalem rebuilt. That was the only Storehouse. Thank you very much for sharing your heart. God Bless!

[@MariaRamos-tl1rq]

Thank you for sharing your story. I too was shunned by the upc after spending about 20 years in it. My whole world fell apart because it was all I knew for so long. I got very sick and wound up hospitalized for a few days. It was a long time ago now but I don’t think I can ever trust any church or pastor again. I fear being so hurt and lost again. I decided I do very well just me and the Lord. Thank you again

[@ResponsibleFaith]

So sorry to hear that Maria, I hope your health is good now. I do completely understand that feeling of distrust. Fortunately "our hope is built on nothing less than Jesus blood and righteousness" (not on church attendance).

[@MariaRamos-tl1rq]

Responsible Faith. Thank you for your response. I can see now I’m not alone in this.

[@ResponsibleFaith]

@classyt20f7 It's not about being "in church", it's about being "in Christ". Salvation is a matter of faith and understanding the grace of God. This is a great video on the subject of salvation that you might find helpful. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z2LUfYiZq9aDf68

[@timholloway8821]

I left about 18 months ago, my wife divorced me and i literally lost everything in the process of leaving. I just could not be a part of it any longer!

[@ResponsibleFaith]

I'm so sorry to hear that Tim. I've heard from so many who've had their marriages destroyed by leaving. Sadly they (UPC) even use it as a threat to make people afraid to leave "If you leave you'll end up divorced", the part they don't tell is how much of a role they play in causing division between the couple once one party leaves. I know that's not always the case, but it's way more common than it should be. I had never observed it in our UPC district (Canada), but I've heard of it a lot from the US since starting my channel. If you could use some support, there is a private online support group (Facebook) that you might find helpful. If you're interested, you can contact me at [e-mail].

[@cindyhess6726]

You sound so much like me. My trauma from my UPCI leaders. A lot was due to my depth spirituality as a very young 11 year old. But... I’m so grateful for what I know about God, His word and the power of prayer...

[@danielkinney6325]

I thought I was the only one who saw stuff like this. Thank You for your honesty and your bravery I cannot tell you how many people this will help feel like we are not alone or CRAZZZY.

[@violanelson7915]

I'm 69. I was born and raised UPC in Texas. I left UPC 23 years ago. They will never change. I am still shunned by them. I love Yeshus with all my heart, but hate religion. Love your story. They always kill their wounded. My God open their hearts to the truth.

[@ResponsibleFaith]

Amen.

[@pamelaespinosa6870]

NO,They Pray for Their wounded,I've SEEN IT

[@jdsalinger73]

Whoa, we got a free thinker here! I'm a former UPC/Charismatic myself (late 80's in Wisconsin) and understand the psychological control & intimidation of this denomination. I had forgotten it though. Been almost 40 years. We had two "prophetess" sisters who had to approve of almost every life decision for the congregation. They made people come before them and present their life major decision and the prophetess would seek God's will (like a priest or mafia godfather). One girl my age received a full ride scholarship to Marquette University in WI, but it was denied by the prophetess' (jealous witches. THEIR kids were immoral, perverts, this girl was wholesome). To my knowledge, this girl honored their decree & turned down the scholarship. This all happened after my family left & the church split. The head pastor demanded that all members submit their W2 to him so he could confirm that they were tithing! Can you believe that? What's really sad is that my parents are now totally deceived by the N.A.R. Kenneth Copeland, Sid Roth, TBN, etc. and follow prophets like fortune tellers. I received the baptism of the Holy Spirit at church camp and it was under duress. I failed the first night altar call, but middle of the week, I had Sister Armstrong praying me through and she basically told me to fake it. Just open your mouth and start babbling and the Holy Spirit will take over. (that's not how I thought it should be and certainly not how it happened in Acts 2:38). But I did it and spent the rest of my Pentecostal days convincing myself that it was authentic. = ( Although I don't agree with a dress code, without some sort of policy or guidelines, women tend to push the envelope. There are no standards in other churches these days. The world has really influenced the church. It's sad that people are so desperate for attention that they will even try to draw attention to themselves and distract attention from the Lord during a worship service. Our church had a small private school and when we went to the larger cities for youth conferences, it was interesting to see how the kids from metro churches dressed. Even though there were dress codes, you could tell the young ladies spent hours on their sanctioned hairstyles. You can enforce a dress code, but the spirit of vanity is still there. And it led to jealousy, gossip and obsession with the girls from our small town church. Good job UPC. Strain at a gnat and swallow a camel. Most were pastor's kids too. I don't want to say that it was all bad. It definitely opened my eyes and I'm thankful that I wasn't following dead religion all my life (my family came out of the United Methodist Church). Those long repentance altar calls were so healthy and refreshing. It felt good to get right with God and weep over your sin. I think God honored (and still does honor) the passion and sincere zeal that Pentecostals have. I love to watch KZbin videos of Pentecostal worship services. It's very high praise and I feel it's sincere.

[@sarahozuna4856]

Thank you for sharing. I grew up in the upci and was a prodigal. I came back and now my husband is the asst pastor of our church. It is SO very important as leaders to really love and show love to everyone. I am so sorry for what you experienced.

[@ResponsibleFaith]

Thank you for your kind comment. It's important to have people in leadership who do recognize and have compassion for spiritual abuse. I've never been a prodigal to Christianity, but I'm glad to hear you came back to Christ. It will likely give you a useful perspective in helping and ministering to people.

[@ragtagglegardengalhoneytre4779]

I’m currently 25 year old mother of 3 attending a UPCI church. And I’m going through what you are talking about. Questioning the religion. I’d love to talk with you, I feel lost and lied to. And I’d like to talk about oneness. I believe that there are three distinct “personalities” that make one all powerful God. Kind of like how, I am a daughter, wife, mother, but I am still one person. Does that make sense? Ugh, I’m trying to make sense of all this.

[@ResponsibleFaith]

I'd love to talk with you, I do understand how difficult it is. Please feel free to email me at [e-mail]

[@ResponsibleFaith]

I understand how frustrating that can be Tori. If you ever want to chat or need support my email is [e-mail]

[@jenniferc.38]

@Redeem One You do realize that there will be more people in heaven then those who attend a UPCI church don't you? If you are trying to recruit people to your religion, you may want to change your tactics.

[@ResponsibleFaith]

Why in the world would you assume that people who leave the UPC leave Jesus?

[@cleanbean1591]

@Redeem One Would you like to go back to school for grammar

[@suzymarshall4898]

Looks by the comments you are still dealing with the church shamers. I am proud of you for owning your life and finding your own happiness. ❤️

[@alexbarrett5291]

Were not church shamers she says she wants to lead and help people but she's leading people astray and false preaching

[@babayaga2660]

thank you so much for posting this. I am a former Pentecostal and deconverted/deconstructed over the last year. It's really important to share these stories and I really appreciate knowing that I am not alone. I'm really sorry you have all these Pentecostals trying to argue with you-- do they think that will help win you back over to the church? What happened to not wrestling against flesh and blood? I'm not sure how you feel about this, but once I left my UPCI church and stopped following "holiness standards" I felt a much stronger connection to God. I felt like I wasn't as consumed with every little thing I did wrong. I wasn't constantly trying to prove myself to God and worrying that God would punish me if I did something "sinful." I wasn't focused on how "holy" and "pure" I was being. I was only able to fully comprehend God's unconditional love once I stopped following Penty rules. I became less judgmental, less critical, and less bitter. I wish Penties would just let people believe and practice what they want instead of spouting endless judgement and criticism under the guise of love and compassion. Anyways, sending you lots of love and strength!

[@Dreamzs1]

I too raise my child apostolic as your parents,but not exactly the way you described.I don't believe it's abuse to teach them how to fear the Lord, infact there's verses telling us to do so. I do agree though that it can be abuse if a person does it in abusive ways,but there are ways to discipline and teach children the fear of the Lord without it being abusive.I wasn't raised in the upc,my family are non-denominational,so I've learned to take a middle road between them and the upc by choice. I as a upc parent who actually am considered an outsider, meaning some may think I'm a backslider or just not that involved in the ministry, I kinda sit off to the quiet sidelines except when the spirit is moving,then I jump right in.I teach my daughter how to live holy but also how to know the difference between the grace of God and not to please other people's gossip.Not to please them but rather to please God in a personal relationship with Jesus.I pray she gets the Holy Ghost someday but I don't force her,I encourage prayer and I teach prayer. See without teaching God's grace,it could be abuse yes. We also need God's grace and love,but I also believe we need to fear the Lord and be in obedience,but not to please man and priests but to please God.Teaching Heaven and Hell is important. Although it's how we teach them, there's a verse in the bible that says to teach gently.

[@ResponsibleFaith]

There is a big difference between teaching your children to love and respect God when they are little, and teaching them to be afraid of him. Children don't need to know about hell, demons, the devil, end times, the tribulation... There is no scripture that supports terrorizing children with ideas like that. Sadly, that type of childhood fear/nightmares/anxiety has been a common theme with many of the people I've talked to who were raised in the Christian community (especially evangelical fundamentalist). Sadly, many of them have carried that struggle into adulthood.

[@Dreamzs1]

Actually there are verses in the bible about teaching our children to fear the Lord. Although I also believe that we each of us need to do what works for us,what makes us feel closer to the Lord?We are to seek him with all "our heart"that would be our own heart and not any one else's standards. We know what is best for our own personal relationship with him more than anyone. What works for some may not work for others at the time.I see it this way,as long as you are drawing close to the Lord in whatever works for you at that time, I believe that is what matters most.Im not here to judge or compete .I believe the Lord cares more about if our heart is drawing near to him first of all and everyone is different in how they might pray and seek him.We are to pray in our own closet.Im sure you probably know all this,I'm just saying what I believe about all this personally.

[@ResponsibleFaith]

I guess the point I was trying to make above is that there are different definitions of the word fear. I don't think we are to be in terror over God. That is the type of "fear" I don't believe in teaching children. This article explains the "fear" of the Lord much better than I could. www.gotquestions.org/fear-Lord-beginning-wisdom.html

[@Dreamzs1]

@@ResponsibleFaith I think so too. Finding that place with God, you'll know because it feels right.

[@Akinsh58]

I SINCERELY APPRECIATE your testimony. It brought back so many memories for me as a young Black teen of 16 in a MAJORITY white UPC church. Before my encounter with UPC I was raised in an atheist household. I was told about the love. More Blacks came in during my 2nd year. Fantastic singers. It was a GREAT source of "godly" pride for my pastor, especially when we went tho youth rallies and rocked the house. Yet in our own house the Black Jokes behind the scenes, the control from the pulpit, the refusal to elevate Black men for fear their preaching would outshine others became to much. The ruling with an iron rod of fear of missing the mark was torturous. I knew EVERYTHING of he'll and judgment and little of GRACE and MERCY. I left at 21 and NEVER entered another UPC church for 40 years. I went on to marry, raise my children in a good Christian church...was involved in the community outside of church and have lived a GOOD life. I want to Encourage you, your testimony WILL help/Free/Deliver a lot of people from mental and emotional bondage. That, my sister, IS MINISTRY

[@ResponsibleFaith]

Thank you for sharing your experiences. I'm so sorry you dealt with racism in your church. It's disgraceful that so called Christians would behave that way! The legalism and control in UPC churches is also unhealthy. I'm happy to hear that you left, had a good life, and raised your family in a healthy church. I appreciate your kind words.

[@jamespepper2541]

I got the, Holy Ghost when, I was a 8 years old and, I promise you it was real. I was at a, Pentecostal bible camp.

[@nickpayne1641]

No it wasn't....pentecostal are full of shit. If you are told you have to, eventually you will do it and believe it.

[@justme1106]

Isn’t it holy spirit? Why holy ghost

[@crazypersonlol34]

@@justme1106 That's semantics.... those are interchangeable and mean the same thing

[@darwinapala960]

@@justme1106 The word of God defines it as Holy Ghost, Spirit of Truth also comforter. There are various references as it is addressed but it is simply God's spirit living within you.

[@tinfoilghost]

I experienced the same physical effects that you did and essentially has a nervous breakdown. I sought holistic help and was diagnosed with severe adrenal fatigue, 2 stages from death. I needed medication just to even attend church. After 11 yrs of suffering, I found a church more aligned with the gospel I have studied. I'm almost free of my physical malady. My church is a one God church, but a loving M.A.S.H unit for wounded people. The freedom is overwhelming. My story is a lot like yours. There's too much to type.

[@diannedare8798]

I’m so sorry you experienced such trama at such a young age. I would not have stayed in a church with a pastor that bullied his congregation into anything! I was raised in the trinity , my husband raised apostolic. After several years of marriage and searching for the right church. God lead us to an apostolic church with an awesome pastor. I did have mixed feelings about the dress and cutting of the hair ... I have always wore mine short. But there was never any pressure or judgement on my part. It would be my conviction if I decided otherwise and no one else’s. After continuing to read scripture I had a choice to follow Gods word or continue to try and convince myself that God still loves me and it doesn’t say it’s a heaven or hell issue? .. Right? Then I thought ok I can’t pick and choose my scriptures and then say “ Oh I can bend that one.. it’s ok. “ Then I started thinking why wasn’t this taught in the church I was raised in?..Assembly of God.Why would my pastor years ago not teach on this? When I ask a trinitarian they either don’t answer or they go all around it. So that makes me think .. are they picking and choosing what scriptures to preach from? So it’s hard both ways whether you were raised of one faith or another. I just try to live the life the Good Lord would intend me to live and honor his word the best that I can. We will all have to go before him on judgement day either way. Blessings to you from Arkansas. Thanks for sharing..

[@blackjohnwhite]

Just remember, that the "uncut hair" that the UPCI and similar churches teach isn't actually "following God's Word." It's taking their personal style preference and interpretation from a small section of Scripture, ignoring the rest of the Bible, and saying that that interpretation is the right one. This is what so-called "apostolic" churches do with most things, from hair to women's pants to makeup & jewelry to baptism "in Jesus' name" to speaking in tongues to "oneness" (which is an offshoot of an ancient heresy called modalism). They insert their own beliefs into small portions of the Scripture (eisegesis) rather than letting the whole of Scripture inform their beliefs (exegesis). It's generally churches like this that engage in "picking and choosing."

[@cindyhinkle8624]

I was in UPC since age 12. I got out in 2015. My kids and ex are all UPC still. They still think I'm backslid because I don't LOOK like them but I love God so much and serve Him with everything in me & FEEL free. Not under a magnifying glass all the time. :(

[@ResponsibleFaith]

It's sad that this is such a common experience when someone leaves. I hope in time they will realise that your faith is in Christ and therefore you are His. It's sad to watch these groups strain family relationships. 😔 Nobody wants the people they love to misunderstand their faith.

[@harsenprem]

Ma'am backslide are not literally means you don't wear what they anymore but you backslide where GOD puts you.

[@vince31633]

If we love God we are willing to obey what he says,

[@ResponsibleFaith]

I agree, if we love God we will want to obey him and please him. The task then becomes, separating what God has said and what is just man made doctrines and personal convictions being presented as God's requirements.

[@Sheena02]

First off thank you for being brave enough to tell your story. There are so many who are afraid to come forward due to the reactions from so many in your comments. I’m currently still attending a upci church and I am Appalled at these ungodly comments. Absolutely disgusting!

[@Sheena02]

Update: I’ve decided to leave the UPCI. After a lot of research and prayer. Now I am in the process of healing mentally and spiritually. However I couldn’t be at more peace after leaving. I stuck around the UPCI for as long as I could and am glad to be putting this book behind me.

[@briankady1456]

I have a friend who tried a UPC church in our neighborhood (I remember sitting in my house half a block away and being able to hear the pastor preaching, plus the music). He tried to get me to attend, but I never did. As it turned out, he didn't stay long. I remember him telling me how the UPC seemed to be a cult, that once you gave them your info, they did all they could to keep tabs on you. Very creepy. A mutual friend went there too and when he left, she wouldn't even speak to him.

[@jedicharls]

You're an inspiration to me. Thank you for putting your story out there, because all of us that have come out can empathize. The system is toxic.

[@ResponsibleFaith]

Thank you!

[@griselmerida68]

Let’s see if it will toxic when we r going to be infront of Jesus

[@bigdogtim7998]

I do believe some are toxic, but the experience she is talking about is very similar to the UPCI from the 70’s & 80’s from the Church I grew up in and are still in the Faith. In most cases, the only Church members who must abide by the Church (in the individual Town or City) Rules of a Modest Christian who represents the Church are for those on the Platform. The individual Church she is speaking of is definitely unhealthy. We in Maryland of the UPCI, had a big change of the Old Hell Fire & Brimstone, into the Ministry that it should be. This is a very Sad Story to hear and I’m glad she is telling it, but please do not Judge the entire UPCI experience from this young Lady’s bad experience. God Bless her and God take care of those who ostracized her, because that was Not of God!

[@devonsewell1336]

WOW!!! You're almost telling the story of my life in the UNITED PENTECOSTAL CHURCH. ... WOW!

[@masonslatter3602]

I was raised in a UPC pastor's home, I actually became licensed with the UPC, until I was challenged to awnser a question using the Bible and not the UPC manual. Scripture could not support my argument on women cutting thier hair, in searched for 2 months. That's when i began to question everything. My sermons were based off my findings, my father and other mentors began to challenge me and accuse me of heresy. The statement that was are was "I can't accuse you because you are in scripture, however I can accuse you of challenging my authority". Long story short, I found a church, that is filled with x-UPC refugees (lol), it's a wonderful safe haven, we now have members who have no idea the challenges we endured, out children are protected and have no idea the challenges. Thank you for sharing your testimony, I cried, I'm so happy and thankful you escaped.

[@davisguite6379]

Well you know I grew up in a UPC Church and I don't go there anymore either but there's quite a bit on the hair and the hair being a covering and not shaving or shorting your hair being a woman it's in the manual it's also in the Bible too of course that's nothing to do with why I don't go there no more but as far as cutting your hair and makeup and all that most people don't even realize but some of the fallen Angels actually were the ones that taught women how to paint their face and look seductive so there's really a lot of reasons why the UPC are like that

[@stevebturner635]

I went to a UPC church last night. Went to the alter was feeling legit guilt and that was real. However when I had ( hands laid on me and prayer) the guest speaker came to me and intentionally shoved my head down to make me fall. That part was not legit. This raised a red flag for me right away. I was talking with my friend that invited me to this church before service. So at the end the speaker did the alter call . He out of thin air guessed about an issue with my back that I had. Funny thing is I saw a Chiropractor right before service and had gotten worked on. Point being my friend that invited me asked how my day was and I had told him about the Chiropractor before service. So I think you get the point. I will admit I was sucked in but am pretty sure I know what happend. With that being said I will not return. Not to mention I was berrated by the bongo player for being to loud during his private prayer where music was so loud you couldn't hear people talking to you. Keep in mind I was new and people were talking to me and being friendly. I was raised in a Conservative bible reading church. Never once has someone treated me like that. This church in my opinion is teach falsely. I knew before I went to keep my attena up and to guard myself cause I showed up to not disappoint my friend. But that was just my experience and I will not be attending this church. Back to the drawing board in search of a new home. May you all be blessed.

[@ResponsibleFaith]

Wow, red flags all over the place! I don't blame you, I wouldn't return either. I hope your friend will still be your friend once he finds out you're not interested in attending his church.

[@SaveByGraceNowFaith]

I dunno I just thought I should leave you an encouragement. The scripture said "Many are called but few are chosen"....the hard part here is the chosen, for this is where we must endure at the ordeals we will encounter along the way. I know how hard it is having to go through all that - I had my own hard experiences - but, at the end of the day it still goes down to our personal relationship with God. As for me, I ignored discouragements. I stand believing in the encouragement "looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith". I pray that the Lord comfort you and guide you in your battles that you may receive more understanding of His will in your life. God bless you.

[@ResponsibleFaith]

Thank you for leaving an encouragement. I agree that our personal relationship with God is very important and it was what got me through that difficult time (this all happened over 17 years ago). Ignoring discouragements is great if you can do that, ignoring abuse is not wise. Removing yourself from a toxic situation can be very difficult, but is crucial at times.

[@caroleimani9754]

Your testimony brought all kinds of feelings flooding back to me. I thought I had dealt with all of that stuff, but I guess not....

[@darlasanders4720]

I was raised UPC .. I had alot of the fear problems that I still have to this day. I was diagnosed with ulcers at the young age of 13. I have been away from upc since I was 16. I am 53 now and still worry about going to hell and all. I never talked to anyone about this.

[@jiml8594]

I was involved with this church for many years and when I left I was released from bondage. Now I am Messianic!

[@arkbuildersparadigm564]

Wow, yes that’s another thing. Our pastor would always preach “if a job prevents you from missing any services then find a different job!.” Easy for the pastor to say when his schedule revolves around the business of the church 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@ResponsibleFaith]

Yes, I've heard that too. I have a friend whose mother was a single mom, struggling financially to support herself and her kids and was fortunate enough to land a job driving city bus (good pay and benefits). Because the uniform required her to wear pants and she would be working shift work and missing occasional services her pastor told her not to take the job. Can you imagine? This same church/pastor did nothing to help her financially up to that point. Fortunately she was wise enough not to listen to him and took the job anyway. It was pretty well the end of her attending that church as we all know how you're treated when you buck the pastor.

[@vickistine9388]

Same

[@BeccaE]

I’m trying to get back to the upc church as soon as I find a good church near me I went through the same issues as you but at this point in time I don’t care anymore I need Jesus so much I probably seem like a crazy person leaving this comment but that’s ok anyway God Bless you

[@ResponsibleFaith]

You don't seem crazy at all, I would point out that you can easily find Jesus in many different churches/home groups, but if the UPC is your style then the most important thing you can do is understand that it is through His blood alone that you will be saved, not your own "good behavior" (our own righteousness is as filthy rags). Jesus paid it all. I hope you can keep a firm grasp on that, no matter what you hear over the pulpit. God Bless you too.

[@BayMom84]

Becca, where do you live? I’ll be happy to give you some recommendations.

[@tammygoff8042]

Becca I went through a lot myself and with my girls I can relate but I have to say people are people you will get hurt no matter where you go because church any church is like a hospital and you have sick people there. You also have people that truly are Christians. There will be a church out of that church. Every person has seasons in there life. I have went through many things but everything I went through just helped me after getting over the hurt. God is steal God! People will have to answer to God for what they do, if they are not doing right. There will be pastors that will have to answer to God also if they are teaching and living different than what they teach. Many people look up to man and position when they should be looking up to God. I now still go to an apostolic church. My pastor and pastors wife love people. They love God, they are very down to earth. They are not seeking a Royal platform. We love every person that comes through our doors. No church is perfect But I know a God that is perfect. Look to God always. Come home God has his arms open with so much love. It stirs my heart to see that this happens to much in church. But then again I have learned that man is not perfect and you deal with this even with people that do not go to church. We must pray read our Bibles and become more like christ and not seek for human approval. ❤️🙏

[@tammygoff8042]

What city do you live in?

[@jimmywilliams4656]

A local preacher in my town in Florida condemned drinking alcohol ok...but yet choking down all that chicken grease was just fine in their group.

[@ResponsibleFaith]

It's always been so weird to hear ministers preach passionately against drinking alcohol, but also get excited when preaching about the first miracle Jesus performed. Irony.

[@breannawilliamson9787]

Meat and oil(not vegetable or canola)are actually really healthy, but yeah. It's ridiculous.

[@Godgirl1966]

Being offended by anyone in church certainly doesn't discredit the truth! Jesus states in John 3:3 that to go to heaven you MUST be born of water ( baptism in His name Col3:17) and the Spirit ( Rom 8:9, Acts 2)

[@robertobriant3621]

By their fruits ye shall know them. My wife was a former UPC attendee. But trouble starting stirring when she read her Bible on her own, and questioned some matters going on that contradicted Scripture. Baptism does not save. Speaking in tongues does not save. Romans 10:9&10. Ephesians 2:8&9. If you're salvation relies on what you do, then I'm sorry, Sister, but you don't have it

[@msolav63]

@Eleise, THE PHRASE "IN THE NAME OF" MEANS "IN THE AUTHORITY OF" Oneness argument typically begins, “Father, Son and Holy Spirit AREN'T NAMES; they are TITLES.” This is simply incorrect in Koine Greek, the language of the New Testament writers. NAMES AND TITLES ARE INDISTINGUISHABLE. THE GREEK WORD FOR “NAME” IS “ONOMA.” It represents what we would consider PROPER NAMES AS WELL AS TITLES LIKE “FATHER,” and it indicates power and authority. Sometimes “ONOMA” MEANS “REPUTATION,” as in: Revelation 3:1 “I know your deeds, that you have a NAME "that you are alive, but you are dead.” We still use “name” this way in contemporary English: “Stop, in the NAME OF THE LAW!” And according to Revelation 19:13, “THE WORD OF GOD ” IS A NAME : Revelation 19:13 13 He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and HIS NAME IS CALLED THE WORD OF GOD. In 1 Samuel 17:45 it says: 45 Then David said to the Philistine, “You come to me with a sword, with a spear, and with a javelin. But I come to you IN THE NAME OF the Lord of hosts, the God of the armies of Israel, whom you have defied. Eleise, in this verse David is SPEAKING, ARE YOU SUGGESTING that the name of the Lord of hosts is David? I hope not lol. David only tells us that he went with the AUTHORITY OR WITH THE HELP OF THE LORD OF HOST . The same thing happens when Jesus says in: Matthew 28: 18-20 18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them IN THE NAME OF the FATHER and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen. Does this verse suggest that the name of Jehovah or the FATHER is JESUS? OF COURSE NOT. Jesus only tells us to baptize with the AUTHORITY OF THE FATHER, SON and the HOLY SPIRIT. Again, THE PHRASE "IN THE NAME OF" could simply mean "an obligation towards" or "in the authenticity of", or when a disciple would teach or do work "on behalf of" a principle of behavior, a truth, or maybe your teacher or rabbi. THE BOTTOM LINE is that there must be nothing theologically significant about the uniqueness of "the name" in Matthew 28:19. There is absolutely no historical or biblical justification for interpreting this verse as you Oneness do. When Jesus commands us to baptize "in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit," he is not making a self-reference that must be decoded for believers to be baptized correctly and therefore saved. He is simply saying that Christian baptism must be done "with a view to" or "in light of" what the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit have accomplished in salvation history and in their individual lives. It was the Father sending the Son and coming to us by the Spirit that made salvation possible, and the power of the Holy Spirit enables us to pass through the Son to the Father and experience salvation. As it says in: Ephesians 2:18 18 because through him we both have access to the FATHER by the same Spirit. Therefore, the act of baptism, which proclaims this salvation and initiates us into the community of believers, must be done "in consideration" with the FATHER, the SON, and the HOLY SPIRIT. In Colossians 3:17 it says: 17 And whatever you do, whether in word or deed, do it all IN THE NAME OF the Lord Jesus, GIVING THANKS TO GOD THE FATHER THROUGH HIM. Please do not skip the part "THANKING GOD THE FATHER THROUGH HIM." On many occasions oneness gives this verse incomplete altering the true meaning of the verse and the teaching." This does not mean that we must pronounce his name before each and every one of our activities. The Scriptures speak that one person may be doing something "on behalf of" another. For example, we read in Matthew that Jesus said: In Matthew 10: 40-42 says: A Cup of Cold Water 40 “He who receives you receives Me, and he who receives Me receives HIM who sent Me. 41 He who receives a prophet "IN THE NAME OF" a prophet shall receive a prophet’s reward. And he who receives a righteous man "IN THE NAME OF" a righteous man shall receive a righteous man’s reward. 42 And whoever gives one of these little ones only a cup of cold water "IN THE NAME OF A DISCIPLE", assuredly, I say to you, he shall by no means lose his reward.” Here the phrase "IN THE NAME OF" CLEARLY MEANS SOMETHING LIKE "BY AUTHORITY OF " It has nothing to do with a formula that is said during an act. When it is said that certain believers were baptized "in the name of the Lord Jesus", this means nothing more than what it means to give a cup of cold water to someone "IN THE NAME OF a disciple." It simply means that Baptism "for the forgiveness of sins" derives its meaning and beauty from the person of Jesus Christ whom it centrally points to. God Bless!

[@jayelliott4108]

What a sad story. There are bad apples in every area of life. I'm sorry that nowhere in this commentary is anything mentioned about how wonderful it is to have a sweet fellowship with Jesus. This supercedes all.

[@vickistine9388]

Thank you for your testimony. I am much older than you and grew up in the UCPI in Texas. My husband and I left UCP in our late 20’s with two young kids. It took many years to completely let go of all the UCP hooks that seemed to be in us. I’m still learning about the LOVE of God, with all His grace and mercy and I love Him so much because of it. I love the Christian people who did not grow up like I did, but still have rich, deep experiences to share. I study the Word with them, pray with them and receive so much from God through them. You keep sharing. Be strong. Be courageous. God loves you. God bless…

[@celiadelmuro7536]

Hello, my experience with UPC has been the opposite of yours. I have been in church since I was 14 years old I love it, God has been very good with me and my family I've race my two boy's in it. as a young girl I had some bump along the way, but I made it thanks to God's Grace. at my current church our pastor has an outreach group for backsliders he teaches us to love everyone as Jesus has loved us, Jesus came to save the sick not only the healthy in our church we have a yearly Labor Day BBQ; our pastor encourages us to go out and invite everyone in the community but most of all the baptize Celia

[@ResponsibleFaith]

I'm glad your experience with the UPC was different than mine. I'm also glad to hear that your pastor encourages love at your church, I've never understood how some Christians can justify their hatefulness and still think they are being like Jesus. Blessings to you Celia.

[@mrs.elentz2336]

Celia, this has been my experience in the UPC too- complete opposite. I converted much later in life (20s). I have never met such a loving, judgement free group of people before than I have in the UPC. However, my first pastor & his wife warned me of these extremely judgemental people within, and we prayed for those people as a church that the Holy Spirit work on their hearts. My church was even loving to a transgender person who walked through the doors... they had been so rejected everywhere else. Of course, Biblically & morally I think transitioning your body is wrong, but I have always held my tongue, prayed in private for those suffering in that regard and this is what my pastor taught me!! I wore clothing that wasn't modest before becoming a Christian, but in time, I just changed in my heart and naturally progressed to modesty. First clothing, then gave up makeup, quit cutting my hair. When I voiced that I felt God calling me to do this, the ladies in the church were there taking me shopping, supporting my slow modesty transition being my cheerleaders in a way bc it was so hard for me. We still have many women in our church who wear pants, they are treated equally. I'm just sad that others have horrible experiences within UPC. It truly saddens me and hurts my heart...

[@mrs.elentz2336]

@@ResponsibleFaith as you can see in my comment above, I've had nothing but a great experience in the UPC. I'm so sad to hear of what you went through and cannot agree more with your comment here!! Those who think this is ok to be judgemental and hateful need to get back to their Bibles and the teachings of Jesus. I'm so sorry you went through that. My husband and I are raising our family in the UPC, and all I can do is my part to raise my children to emulate Jesus best they can, preaching with my life and not my lips. Churches should definitely always be a hospital for sinners, not a home for perfect Saints. ❤

[@thalasantos]

​@@mrs.elentz2336 same here! been within the UPC since I was a kid and now that I have my own family, I still feel that the UPC family is the best church for everyone. our pastors also guided us the way Jesus would do and the people in the church are never judgemental. we've been a backslider and my husband was a roman catholic but I teach my children the UPC way of living and we can all agree that this is the real church of God. the teachings, the people they all love one another, no hate, no judgment, we all understood each other's struggle especially in dress code and living a normal life, but at the end of the day, God's spirit binds us all, we still go to the same church. I've been listening and observing other religion's way of teaching, but the UPCI is the only one true church. Let's pray for everyone. Love you with the love of Jesus

[@ResponsibleFaith]

@@thalasantos The UPCI is the only one true church? Wow. I strongly disagree with this statement. The UPCI is a manmade organization with an everchanging stand on issues of "holiness" and many churches with an unhealthy level of control in their ministry. Even their doctrines on salvation have evolved and changed over the years. I think it would be good for you to actually do a search on their history. If this is the case (the UPCI being the one true church), that means that God has not had a church/ekklesia/family until about 75 years ago. That certainly makes the cross seem pretty powerless. There is a book called "Christianity Without the Cross" by Thomas Fudge that you might find interesting. It never hurts to educate yourself on the history of your group...it helps keep people out of cults.

[@BrysonMichaelRC]

I grew up FUPC my entire childhood and left in a rebelious time of my life. My faith in god never changed. I still believed and still do believe most of the same core beliefs of the apostolic church. But same as you, I think a lot of thier dress codes and other guidlines are just not right. I feel exactly the same. The judgement of UPC members is juuuust insane. Judgement from people who teach not to judge. I loved the fellowship. I miss it. I feel bad for my kids not being able to experience that. But we are from a small town where churches are limitted and unfortunately none are close enough to my beliefs. I wont go back to that cult. Its hard. I pray every good fortune for you and thank you for your testimony. Our stories are so similar but so unalike. Thank you

[@GoatRidesBikes]

Thank you for sharing. I'm still walking down a road of deconstruction of my Faith. Figuring out where it all goes from here.

[@godsgrace6351]

Gods grace paid it all it is finished watch creflo dollar he taught me 3 years about grace

[@armdude84]

After my wife and I were in ministry for several years, I took a bunch of kids on Bible quizzing in Michigan, and we would visit other churches and my kids were told to dress up and anytime we were visiting another church of the UPC my kids acted like they were better than the other kids. They wouldn’t worship, they wouldn’t get into the worship and act better than the church we visited… I started to realize something was really off, it kept eating at me. After reading Romans 14 over and over I started to realize that to one man someone esteems something to be unclean and to another it isn’t… but judging another person because you think you are better even my kids of my class at age 7+ that’s just not ok I realized this wasn’t going to change because I do anything I left and I filed for divorce because the division was already there and I only got married because I thought it was the right thing at the time

[@kaseypowers7586]

Thank you for sharing your experience with the UPCI. I left the organization of them back in 2012 when I could not run away from my true authentic self: a transgender woman. When I left, I had an active ministry associated with the church. Leaving this church was a decision that I had to think long and hard about due to knowing I could lose so many people I called friends (and family too). To this day, I do not regret my decision! I did lose many people I thought were friends but found so many more! I will not lie, I do still love to occasionally listen to Indiana Bible College Choir on KZbin for their energy and excitement, but I do not miss it one bit! Now I simply have millions of questions on faith and god. I am still trying to figure out this new way of life away from my old life. Thank you for sharing these horrible experiences. Glad you came out safe on the other side happier than before. Kasey

[@ResponsibleFaith]

Thank you for sharing your experience Kasey. It's never easy to leave and lose people. Sometimes it's harder to trust people once you've experienced the "shunning". I'm glad you were able to overcome that and make new friends.

[@revllorlegit117]

Wow, tho' I was not raised upc, entered as a teen and do I have so many many similarities to your story but by God's DIVINE PROVIDENCE, I was placed as a Pastor (not upc), was not part of that denomination &yet GOD Had appointed, called, Ordained me and my gift made room for itself as was prophesied over me in the UPC. I am an duly Ordained Minister, baptise in Jesus name,have the Holy Ghost , believe Jesus Christ God Manifested in the flesh (3 in 1)went to seminary (not upc) after I had pastored by special appt of the general overseer of that denomination, never licensed with them. God has His plans and man has theirs. I love the ppl, (learned valuable truths in my time in upc, had one beloved pastor of the 3 I set under, who gave me a letter when I moved to a new community by Gods direction and even asking pastor to pray & fast with me to be sure this was Gods time/will) Never really agreed with the clothes line,etc. BUT RATHER The Word of God RIGHTLY DIVIDED AND TAKEN IN CONTEXT. As a pastor I baptise in Jesus Name and encourage the Holy Ghost to this day. I have been shunned by some UPC, and others because I am a woman minister/pastor. But God showed me that some ppl simply do Not have the capacity for me and my God calling. I just focus on The Lord, keep moving forward as God leads. Just wanted to say there are others with exp that were not conducive to The Love of Christ Jesus.

[@jennifernorton5726]

Girl..... I have so much I want to say to you about this. Oh my goodness!!!! Thank you for sharing this for people who are struggling and for me. As your former sister-in-law I feel like this lets me know you so much better!!! Wow....... just wow! Great video

[@ResponsibleFaith]

Thanks Jennifer. Most people didn't know my "backstory", I haven't really talked about it much. I'm glad you enjoyed hearing it. Now you know why I"m so weird! Haha. I appreciate your support (this was a tough video to make) and I'm thankful you're part of my family. Your comment was a bright spot in the midst of some of the backlash I'm dealing with right now. xo

[@redneckway6456]

God is a Spirit Jesus was man who had the Almighty God in him there is one God and he was in Christ. God is Sovereign meaning he’s everywhere at once. He was in heaven and was in Christ too.

[@stevengibelyou6078]

Is that the kenotic heracy?

[@satirical140]

??? okay

[@alexsfamily9901]

That’s why God gave you choice to live your live or obey his commands and live a real pure Christian life.

[@jenniferwright7649]

Thank you so sharing your experience. I can relate to most of this including the being sick at a young age. Very sick and lost alot of weight and I was already too skinny. This was very touching.

[@pinkiesue849]

Deanna Jo I hope you can find a church that is good for You. Just love the Lord and do good for His children.

[@aartipal4339]

Thank you for sharing, I thought it was was even wrong of me to call it a cult, free from the legalism after spending the entire childhood and teen years and a better part of tweens too

[@jeremyholmes1457]

Mam just know that Jesus loves you I backslid as a Pentecostal preacher and God's love goes beyond a system it's about relationship not religion

[@ResponsibleFaith]

Thank you, this situation happened many years ago and I kept my faith through it. You're right, Christianity has nothing to do with "corporate religion" and everything to do with placing our faith in Jesus and walking with Him. I'm sorry to hear that you are not a believer anymore.

[@lucyricerdo]

Yes couldn't agree more. Religion = another interpretation of the bible.

[@pleasegetalifenow]

You didn't backslide you slid right into the loving arms of Jesus who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross. You were the joy when you accepted what he did for you as being enough. When he said on the cross it is finished he meant he had you covered he was enough. No you didn't backslide you escaped to the lamb of God who taketh away the sins of the world.

[@tjbelcher7685]

I totally understand my dad was a pastor in the UPC and after he disagree with the pastor from our mother Church where we had been for over 18 years we were shunned and made us feel like we were lepers it was very traumatic and I'm still getting over it to this day thank you for your story

[@ResponsibleFaith]

I'm so sorry to hear that, it doesn't take much to fall from grace when you're dealing with fragile egos in powerful positions. A simple difference of opinion can be enough. It's hard for people to fully understand the way shunning changes you as a person unless they've experienced it. I hope you and your family are healing and doing well.

[@ioneackermann7001]

I was in that heretical religion for 36.5 years. So glad God brought me out in 2017! Since then I have learned so much and was able to peel all of those religious heresies off. Now I’m a true believer and I’m so much happier! I’m so glad you left as well! 🥰

[@juliebriz1703]

Well said!

[@lorriecoleman7615]

Hi Deanna Jo, I just happened to run across your video, and I just wanted to say thank you for sharing your story! I am a Christian, have never been a part of the UPC/Apostolic church BUT had been a part of the "charismatic" movement for over twenty years. Experienced similar things in terms of the guilt and manipulation and church "leaders" who weren't really leading but manipulating. I have dear friends in UPC/Apostolic/Charismatic churches and we focus more on our commonalities than our differences and that has been a blessing. But just wanted to come on here and encourage you to keep speaking out. 😎😊♥️ I got really impressed when you quoted Mike Rinder (ex-Scientologist) I watched him and Leah Remini's series on Scientology and was just blown away as well. Anyway, sorry for the long post but I subscribed to your channel and look forward to hearing more from you.

[@samwa3986]

Very good video. The UPC is heinous. I never was a member, but knew a few pastors. The oneness, is not the issue, nor the moral, standards, but the control over people, especially toward women. The part about telling people that they are going to hell, is the cruelest thing in history.

[@elisasanmiguel1458]

I'm in tears right now. I'm so sorry that this happened to you. Please don't give up. I'd love to see you come back but advocate for young people like yourself. God's not done yet!!!!!!! Please come back! Love Michigan in the United States!

[@ResponsibleFaith]

Thank you, I appreciate your compassion. It has been a long time since I experienced these things. I did retain my faith in Christ and am still a devout Christian. I will never be back to the UPC. I feel that the UPC is not doctrinally sound and the environment is toxic (generally as an organization). I can't be a part of that. We'll have to catch the young people crushed by these abuses as they leave your group. We do have support systems set up for that. I know you might not see it this way, but I strongly agree that God is not done yet...by I also believe that supporting people who leave the UPC is a part of what he's doing. I have heard privately from current UPC saints and ministers who are more moderate and are hoping to effect change from within, I hope they can but I'm doubtful. The UPC has had a few big splits over the years and they never drift toward the more moderate view. They usually crush and drive out the moderates and become more extreme. Sadly, it has brought them to this point. I do appreciate your kind comment though.

[@patcandelora8496]

Are you still Pentecostal?

[@kentstanley3633]

Hello. I grew up in a non affiliated apostolic church. I grew up with the Urshans. I basically grew up with Joel and Nathan. I'm sorry you had those experiences. I've been to many UPC events and seen many things both good and bad. I left the church all together for different reasons. Pastors can be the most evil and manipulative people on the planet. I hope life treats you with love and happiness from here on out.

[@ResponsibleFaith]

Thank you Kent. It's been almost 20 years since I left and I've had a really nice life. I wish you all the best as well.

[@ronaldstewart3467]

A key is talking in tongues every day. Starting your day reading the Word sets Gods Order in your mind. His will is to flow through you, not carnal desires.

[@ronaldstewart3467]

Thanks for posting, remember we're all human and even if leaders trouble us please cast your cares unto Jesus.

[@junkmail7780]

@@ronaldstewart3467 Talking in tongues for what if you don't know what you are saying 99% of the time. Smh The Key is knowing God for yourself and not letting mankind dictate how you should follow him. 1 Cor 14:19

[@ronaldstewart3467]

@@junkmail7780 when you are truly talking in tongues God is flowing through you. Thats His perfect will.

[@BAdams-rj9op]

This is why i left the church. All church's. I now worship God in my living room. I go into my closet and pray. But it's not JUST the church. IM SURE ITS ME TOO.

[@jimmywilliams4656]

Me too, the best choice I ever made.

[@Andz-]

Bless if beautiful that you do that praise God. However don't forsake the congregation of the Saints I hope to God that you find a church to grow your faith in.God bless you