LeBron inches closer in GOAT debate, but Michael Jordan is still #1 - Broussard | NBA | THE HERD

Chris Broussard joins Colin Cowherd to discuss LeBron James & the Los Angeles Lakers winning the 2019-20 NBA Finals. Hear why Broussard believes this victory inches LeBron closer to being better than all-time great Michael Jordan.
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LeBron inches closer in GOAT debate, but Michael Jordan is still #1 - Broussard | NBA | THE HERD
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[@TheHerdOnFS1]

Does this title make LeBron the GOAT?

[@copper8860]

No , he was already the GOAT . This just counts as a accomplishment at this point .

[@4thAndGoalSports]

Yes

[@christopherchapman7186]

Absolutely!!!

[@jimmylopez8165]

Yes

[@ErlingGrey]

No he was already the goat. Rings don’t matter.

[@michaelfouchjr47]

Nobody: Chris: RAY-JOHN RONDO

[@soleil3gs]

Michael Fouch Jr 😂😂😂😂😂

[@leersan1679]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@boondockbwoy14]

LoL

[@DavidFerneau]

Mark Jackson has entered the chat

[@kristiansiordia]

☠☠☠☠

[@MT-eo5vy]

Nobody: Chris: Lebraaaann

[@thefishindoc2249]

lmao this is so true!

[@Ace1Yoda]

😆😆😆😆😆

[@nWohollywood45]

I love that lol

[@EJOBizZNesSGame]

Hahaha

[@mogtrader8]

He been yelling a lot dese days.

[@chrismok9534]

never mention kawhi in the top five ever again. man averaged like 15 points in his first finals and people act like hes some god. he played the same role as iguodala did in the finals and lebron still dropped 30 a night smh

[@collin833]

he was barely new to the NBA when he was in his first finals 😅

[@thomy1955]

He was his second year in the league

[@skipbayless4375]

Top five all time or right now?

[@erikpuka2627]

Lebron got his points in garbage time in 2014 and still got gentleman swept.Refs helped him from getting swept.Heat had 3 all stars while Spurs only one(Parker who may have been the worst all dtar in the west that yeat).Lebron was 24% when guarded by Kawhi and 16% from 3.Lebron was dropping his points against the 2nd unit with 1 minutes remainung to bring the Spurs lead from +35 to like +23.I mean Lebron was really really really lucky to win it in 2013 too.Refs helped hom,Spurs missed shots,pure luck and Allen hitting that aamazing shot saved the HEAT.The next year Spurs got the last laugh

[@skywalker2676]

@@thomy1955 no he was drafted in 2011 it was his third year

[@DavidBagga]

Only one thing needs to be said here Chris “LEBRAAAAAAAAAAWN” Broussard 😂

[@taylorpiercey3190]

"Look, Lebraaaaaawn played phenaaaaaawmenal. Raaaaaawndo, Giaaaaaawnis, Draymaaaaawnd".

[@andreshurtado9243]

😂😂😂😂😂 hahahahahahahahahhahahah LEBRAAAAAAAWNN

[@boondockbwoy14]

LMAO!

[@craigwilliamson8167]

I literally thought I was the only one who laughed at that. PRICELESS 😂😂🤣🤣

[@Roc_Official]

“I haven’t seen him this energized in years” did you not watch 2018 Playoffs? LeBron was insane. Edit - Colin said in like 6 years. 2018 was indeed 2 years ago, but he exaggerated the years, and I wanted to remind him of that crazy 2018 run that shouldn’t be forgotten.

[@link514]

That was years ago

[@minovictor]

That my friend is years

[@matthunter5710]

Best playoff run I've ever seen from a single player... His team had zero business being in the finals and yet there they were - strapped to lebrons back waltzing to championship games

[@frillo4th]

Victor Moyo My friend, it’s not 6 as Colin said.

[@minovictor]

Joe Frank thank you joe. Yes Colin said 2014 season. The person I replied to said “in years”. 2018 was in fact “years” ago. Years with an S at the end meaning more than one and 2018 was two years ago

[@DJMotorMouth713]

I can’t be the only one that’s tired of the MJ vs LeBron debate. ENOUGH ALREADY

[@josuardgonzales7843]

I think it’s fine hahaha just valid arguments though repetitive but situations and opinions might change due to new input like a chip or mvp

[@rayfordreed9304]

I think we should only have it after LeBron does something major, so right now is a good time, but we're tired because they were having it at bad times. Let's just have the debate once a season

[@kingofwrestling9758]

LeWoke is the GOAT???? That's not even funny. He shouldnt even be mentioned with MJ. Class goes a long way in my book.

[@thesecond8187]

@@kingofwrestling9758, stop

[@clappincheeks5962]

Complains about Jordan Lebron debate... *watches a Jordan Lebron debate

[@Militarize]

I like how lebron in an Interview after winning the championship gave respect to MJ by saying he wears 23 because of MJ. Jordan is still lebron's idol.

[@blakehansen8284]

Literally the best sports idol to have so...

[@JahleelX-xx9wd]

@@blakehansen8284 not really. The best basketball idol

[@JahleelX-xx9wd]

Exactly it's the media that is causing all this.

[@siestahasmelons9555]

Lebron speaks about MJ as the real GOAT though 👀 .....

[@TheDudeAbides1998]

Militarize- why not wear your own number? Nothing original about Lebron.

[@joelsantos3569]

Lebron doesn't need anything? He actually handpicked his own teammates after his losing streak in Cleaveland.

[@jhorennlim4048]

He handpicked but when they weren't performing either he's gonna trade them or he gonna jump ship again. I respect lebron's game no question. It's just that jumping to one team after another when it's not convinient for you is not befitting to be called the greatest of all time.

[@damo5350]

I think he needs a silver medal to go along with his bronze to catch MJ . 🤔

[@damo5350]

@Clay Slade it doesn’t matter how long your essay is , Miami heat took 2 games off them , now that’s garbage x100 , embarrassing is what it is .

[@damo5350]

@Clay Slade Tbh your comments are pretty flawed , he was being considered the best before he had even won any of his 6 , even the young if they weren’t so biased in there opinions could tell he was in a class of his own by watching old footage. He also groomed Pippen to what he became , he didn’t have to go chase his rings . That’s the difference. Lebrons a great player don’t get me wrong , his just not in MJ class .

[@ramonguevarra856]

@@jhorennlim4048 i agree.... i guess if he stayed he has the chance to be a GOAT.....

[@keevoalid11]

Chris Broussard is arguably the best analyst in NBA the man speak facts 100% seldom caught up in the moment. I like the way he develop things 👏🏾

[@JaeLee83]

definitely not true

[@statusofmyown9829]

@@JaeLee83 you in the minority lil buddy

[@JaeLee83]

@@statusofmyown9829 I don't mind, I've never been a follower!

[@robderp]

Kawhi is 99% a Laker Chris Broussard?

[@keevoalid11]

@@robderp those kinda things are just predictions I’m talking real facts about things that actually happened

[@troyduffie3836]

After last night it doesn't matter who you have in front. What matters is you know by the time Bron is done, it won't be a conversation. He will still be competing for rings, accumulating points, and setting records for the next five years. If you have Jordan in front, don't take LeBron's career for granted to protect MJ's legacy. You're watching one of the greatest to ever do it.

[@bsanchez0626]

Lmfao dude lebron just played the worst finals team in nba history and it was rigged for him please worst rating as well jordan so much better please

[@mynoseisdirty1250]

JosephandBrandi Sanchez neither one of those thing have relevance to lebron being great

[@Kyle-fy3jk]

Nobody who is mature is discrediting his greatness, and we should appreciate LeBron

[@djautobahn]

JosephandBrandi Sanchez worst finals team in history? What does that say about the 3 teams Miami beat to make it to the finals? Get that hate out your heart. Rigged? These nba players are in a bubble away from life vying for a chip. Literally giving their all. Denver came back 3-1 twice making history smh. Stop hating, bro.

[@romelmurdock4187]

@@bsanchez0626 i agree everything fell in place for him to win the same year kobe dies........refs aint give portland ,houston or denver any fouls....buried denver first 20 mins with almost 30 fouls only a few for the lakers.......they atleast made it respectable with miami but amazingly two superstars on miami go down in the first game....this was a cake walk for the lakers

[@gavingeary7107]

DID HE SAY, "OCCASIONALLY THE FINALS." ??? 😂😂😂 WTF

[@joshwallace8531]

He's was talking about without a stacked team...

[@JohnSmith-dr9gz]

I think he meant he occasionally wins finals 🤣🤣

[@desmondjohnson4686]

If lebron didn't need anything Lakers wouldn't of trading everybody for AD Lebron wouldn't of teamed up with D.Wade and bosh if he didn't need anything.

[@tcgrant3267]

Big fuckn facts

[@bgutty5945]

Right.. lebron didnt even make the playoffs in his first yr with lakers.

[@bgutty5945]

And he lost to Dirk in the finals with Wade and Bosh! Ray Allen won him a ring in Miami with the best clutch shot i have ever seen!

[@harrybg998]

@@bgutty5945 Skip is this you? Don't be like this

[@washburn11000]

THANK YOU!!! Jesus bro, LeBron has had SUPERSTARS on his team...

[@djphatsnail2801]

If Lebron just needed a ball to win. He should've just stayed in Cleveland for his entire career and try to win it with no help.

[@jayswrld2317]

DJ PHAT SNAIL they were never gonna pick up talent through the draft or free agencies.

[@matsong5134]

That was unfair when said that. Everybody needs help from others to win.

[@ericcerojano120]

I agree. After getting his first championship, he could have lured other shooters and dominant centers to get another trophy and a grandslam. But he chose to bring back Lakers greatness after years of Kobe's failure because he is a Lakers fan.

[@SiomaiRiceNiBradz]

the recruiter

[@mrmyko]

Right exactly

[@surferxblood]

How can you be the Goat when you have to continue to debate it? Every one knows MJ is the best ever.

[@joelman1989]

We can’t just celebrate this championship without bringing MJ into it.

[@motivationfactory9916]

But that’s what makes sports analysis entertaining. People gotta have something to argue about.

[@j3thegreatest]

Nope

[@bpraise517]

Just like they couldn't celebrate The Last Dance without bringing up Lebron.

[@Mossmoose]

@Daniel Mullen how long did it take mj to develop his game? He was a star from his rookie season averaging 27

[@adamcarpenter1869]

Lebron has played with more all stars than Michael.

[@mauriceyoung5225]

True he's inching closer but Jordan is miles away

[@ict113090]

“Lebron doesn’t need anything to win” except for Dwayne Wade, the refs and Anthony Davis.

[@shutuppabs323]

57 wins with Jordan, 55 without. Cavs make finals with Lebron, Cavs DONT sniff the playoffs without Lebron. Zzz

[@Flashyfinancier]

What happened when Jordan came back after those 55 wins though? Right they went 72-10 and won the championship

[@shutuppabs323]

Flashyfinancier not sure if you saw what happened last night ?

[@Flashyfinancier]

@@shutuppabs323 nope

[@turdfergason4557]

@@shutuppabs323 Not sure if you saw what happened those 6 times MJ went to the Finals.

[@Flashyfinancier]

LeBreezy needs a weak West to win titles

[@LeviDavidSchaffer]

Occasionally the finals huh lol 10 in 17 isnt occasionally dude.

[@mikewilliams1042]

he said when he didnt have a stacked team. He went to the finals once without the other hall of famers.

[@mynoseisdirty1250]

Mike Williams that’s more often than Mj

[@toninakictn]

Mike Williams he kinda did it twice

[@carterbilbro4615]

@@mikewilliams1042 twice

[@carterbilbro4615]

@THE CHOSEN ONE and he didn't play well at all

[@DanielFlores-fo1ee]

I'm definitely an LBJ fan, I've been watching him his while career and he's he one who got me into NBA. That being said I still believe MJ to be the GOAT. However, LBJ is without a doubt #2 and closing in and currently the undisputed best player in the world. Not KD or kawhi or curry LBJ is the greatest of this current era.

[@muhabelkaraty2024]

how many more rings/mvps does lebron need to pass MJ?

[@gabrielle1760]

@@muhabelkaraty2024 he don't need anything. People's minds are made up.

[@Ava-jp4hw]

The only reason i got Lebron as numbers 1 is because Lebron faced more talents even bench players now can dribble like iverson.. on MJ era once the 1st 2nd 3rd guy sits out no one really have enough skillsets. Game evolved.

[@gabrielle1760]

@@Ava-jp4hw have you seen the type of competition MJ played against throughout his career? And how much harder the sport was played?

[@TheIrapprettygood]

@@Ava-jp4hw bench players can dribble like because of NO HAND CHECKING lol 2 different eras

[@jorxanc.745]

I enjoy these debates where ur not criticizing 1 but just comparing accomplishments. Whether u think one is greater than the other.

[@webmanic]

Hard to quantify the impact MJ had on the game at an international level. This guy was a dead set superstar around the globe and inspired many to play the game. Unsure of the impact Lebron has had outside of the US. They each be the best players from different eras therefore making it absurd to rate but I'd give it to MJ for his sheer inspiration.

[@firstlast-ss3bp]

Yea forreal bro, that matters when it comes to GOAT. When you hear Jordan’s name, almost always you think of him the best in ALL sports, not just bball. You think of him as some mythological God type being. LeBron doesn’t have that same effect, you don’t think of him outside of b-ball or outside the US

[@jahleelx9270]

@@firstlast-ss3bp no just the best in basketball. Foh

[@joelpereira8649]

He said occasionally to the finals? HAHAHHAHAHA

[@nickvlahos7072]

At 4:17 - “Ocasionally the finals” its 9 out of the last 10 Chris

[@joshwallace8531]

Ya'll not listening lol he was saying occasionally made the finals with teams that wasn't stacked....most of the times he made the finals he had stacked teams

[@lanafelix8649]

Lebron james best of this generation still writing his legacy 👑

[@alfredoalcantar8691]

Ok but in Europe and latin America he is not big

[@jesvinmathew5103]

@@alfredoalcantar8691 tf 🤦‍♂️

[@Robert-nb6cc]

Haven't seen him this energized in years?Really🤣🤣

[@tmtech23]

"Occasionally" to the finals? Dudes been to 10 wtf?

[@CRMdrifter]

he means that he's only been to 2 with bad teams which is still really good.

[@eternallyg]

By making the claim “Jordan needed pippen and Phil” u literally make Jordan’s case even stronger because the only reason the basketball world holds Scottie n Phil so high is because of Michael Jordan. He made both of them who they are. Jordan just needed help any kind of help, lebron has needed Stars many of them.

[@tankanator99]

Lebron was playing in the system for the first time this year but he lead in points, rebound and assist like he has 6 other times.. okay Chris

[@kM-gs6zv]

Yeah Lebron doesn't need Anthony Davis, Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh, Ray Allen, Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love 😂😂😂😂😂

[@mattkramer8426]

Well he took Cleveland to the Finals without any of them. You can’t tell me Kevin Love was anything good in 2018

[@kM-gs6zv]

@@mattkramer8426 They didn't even win a single game in the finals 😅😂

[@carterbilbro4615]

@@kM-gs6zv the most rigged game I’ve ever seen

[@payton0420]

COLIN, YOU FORGOT BILL RUSSELL ! ;)

[@Pablo_Carrouche]

you cant remember this is a team sport?

[@aronsteed2554]

We gonna forget that Phil Jackson was on the knicks sqauds that won 2 rings in the 70s? Like he wasnt a complete nobody before his coaching days, He played for 12 years

[@fredrickwhynn6225]

What was his ppg on the Knicks?

[@marktwain09]

When Lebron said this was the hardest chip he’s ever won, I laughed out loud

[@jimglass995]

How do they just pass Kobe up,and then to put Lebron over Kobe. 🤔🤬

[@michaeljimerson9021]

Thanks Chris for actually having some perspective and context, which most don't have.

[@jhazzferjavier5820]

I dont know if Lebron can past Detroit Bad Boys in this Era.

[@nephviewtube7227]

....you don’t know if a 6’9 270 SF/PF/PG who is stronger than the fastest and faster than the strongest could play in the 80s?💀💀😂😂😂😂

[@zinjgreen3398]

@@nephviewtube7227 he is big and strong but Lebron don't want to get hacked. Also Lebron wouldn't want a true center inside the paint, the dude was blocked by Whiteside several times in a game.

[@olaakande5581]

In all this talk, no one talks about Kareem Abdul Jabbar.... MJ became “the goat” bc he carried a team to 2 franchises as a GUARD. Until then that was unheard of. Tbh MJ & Jabbar are top 2. So no I don’t have LeBron at #2 bc Kareem existed

[@nephviewtube7227]

@@zinjgreen3398 everybody gets blocked...and you know he can in the league in 2003 right?....1991-2006 is factually the hardest eras of basketball especially the 2004-2006 yrs cause those are the yrs zone was implemented and even Michael jordan said zone defense is the worst possible defense to get past and he wished they never made it legal...just watch the video of Tracy mccgrady saying he almost had a mental breakdown cause of zone defenses...then after you do yo research look at lebrons stats from back then, then comeback to the comment

[@nephviewtube7227]

@@olaakande5581 tbh if you bring up Kareem...and bring him up as your 2nd goat then you lose all credibility to me because tbhhhh look at Kareems full body of work he actually is the goat cause he overwhelmingly meets every criteria it’s just... he isn’t as interesting as bron or mj lmao so either Kareem is your 1 or 3 to me no in between because it shows the bias in your argument

[@ohnocoop]

Stacked? 🤦🏽‍♂️ an injured Wade after year 2. Bosh? What did he do before and after? Kyrie and Love? What’s their record before and after? No need to compare Jordan and Lebron. Different times! Different eras. A baseball player makes 450 million bucks...y’all can talk about him a lil more. Give Lebron a break and see how exciting sports is

[@elmer7star]

DWade can still play even injured and provided LeGone the mindset on how to win. Bosh played defense and rebound. Ray Allen helped him to get ring number two. Kyrie's shot secured his ring number 3. AD out played all Heat bigs. Dwight Howard annoyed Denver Jokic. Yes, he got a break because Klay is injured. KD from Nets injured. Watch GSW next year.

[@deandreray3500]

Miami was stacked every year

[@ohnocoop]

elmer7star you listen to Skip way too much. Lebron is so great he’s the only player that can’t have teammates. Kerr and Paxton made shots for Jordan. It’s a team sport 🤦🏽‍♂️ everybody that won rings had stacked teams except the Pistons. Just say you hate you Lebron 🤷🏾‍♂️ Jordan or Lebron? 2 great black men in their sport. I don’t care who’s better

[@ohnocoop]

Deandre Ray so was every other team that won. Every year there are only 1 maybe 2 good teams a year. Skip got y’all trippin 🤣🤣🤣

[@ohnocoop]

Deandre Ray so was every other team that won. Every year there are only 1 maybe 2 good teams a year. Skip got y’all trippin 🤣🤣🤣

[@tyndni]

Almost thought Colin was going to bring up the Swiss army knife analogy with lebron 🤣🤣

[@warking3523]

Bron can win 5 more chips straight & Broussard will still cling on to MJ smdh

[@JahleelX-xx9wd]

Indeed

[@hawkfan81497]

Debate ended in 2011 when he choked against the Mavericks

[@alexescutia4805]

Opened back up after coming back 3-1 to 73 win warriors clown

[@piquette1234]

Reid watch basketball rookie you sound so dumb

[@dark_meziah3753]

The debate ended when one of the GOAT never won a playoffs series without Pippen...

[@telmolicious]

Didnt watch Oscar but watched Wilt? 🤔

[@balltalkdeep]

I could watch a whole vid on Broussard and Colin discussing top ten NBA players

[@dannycooper1245]

You're talking about a guy that came into the NBA fresh out of high school. He shouldered that responsibility beautifully, with tremendous grace he not only met but exceeded expectations. Made it to his first nba finals at the age of 22, and if it wasn't for a subpar organization, he maybe would have won a championship or two in his first run in Cleveland. Then he accomplished his goal and dream and won a championship at 27. He brought the Miami Heat 2 championships. Brought a championship to the Cleveland Cavaliers for the first time and fullfiled his promise. Then he opened up a school in his hometown with the promise of a college scholarship for graduates. That last one I believe is his greatest achievement. Now he is third all time in scoring....and he isn't even about scoring. Now he's going to add to it, by winning his fourth championship, his third with a different team, and bringing a championship back to the Lakers. LeBron James; the greatest of all time. I'm telling you man, appreciate this, witness this, because we won't see it again for a long time.

[@artfrancis941]

Preach

[@jamesditullio184]

💯💯💯 the debate will go on some for anothr year or 2. Once he wins one more , even old heads will kneel to the king. Legoat jameslol

[@boondockbwoy14]

Here I feel you require some education on this stale goat debate between MJ and Lebron : NBA Records Michael Jordan set many NBA records in his career, most of them related with points because MJ was a scoring machine... Record: scoring average NBA Finals 41.0 (1993) Record: Regular Season Career Scoring average 30.1 Points per game in Playoffs, career average 33.4 Record: NBA Scoring Titles 10 (1987-93, 1996-98) Record: Consecutive NBA Scoring Titles 7 (1987-93) Record: most points in a playoff game 63 (against Boston on May 20, 1986, first round) Record: most Finals MVP 6 (1991-93, 1996-98) Record: All-Defensive First Team 9 (1988-93, 1996-98) Record: total points, playoffs, career 5,987 * Record: Field Goals Attempted, playoffs 4,497 Record: Free Throws Made, playoffs 1,463 Record: Consecutive games with 10 or more points 866 Chicago Bulls Records The Bulls had a poor history before Michael Jordan arrived. He made them known around the world and of course he holds the Bulls' records in almost all the categories. These are some of them... Record: total points, career, regular season 29,277 Record: scoring average, career, regular season 31.5 And the list go on, he leads the Bulls in: FGA: 21686 FGM: 10962 FTA: 8115 FTM: 6798 Games: 930 Min: 35887 Def. Reb: 4289 Tot Reb: 5836 Assists: 5012 Steals: 2306 Turnovers: 2589 All-Star Game Records Michael Jordan was the star among the stars, so he could be out of an All-Star records sheet. Record: most points, All-Star Game, career 262 Record: most field goals attempted, career 233 Record: most field goals made, career 110 Record: most field goals attempted, game 27 (2003) Record: total steals, career 37 Number of times MJ scored 50 or more points 38 games game high 69... Number of times Lebron scored 50 or more points 13 games game high 61.. MJ 6-0 finals = 100% win rate Lebron 4-6 finals = 40% win rate MJ is the reigning and ongoing 🐐 Although I respect Lebron as an great player and an absolute legend he just does not have the resume to challenge MJ is the goat category..he still be chasing

[@ryant.warren5737]

@@boondockbwoy14 If James is able to stay healthy and catch Kareem for Total Points and also finishes Top 5 in Total Assists, the argument is OVER. James will officially be the GOAT. And I'm a Jordan guy! I've had several old basketball heads and MJ Loyalists acknowledge the same thing. (Of course, the majority of them don't think he'll stay healthy long enough to catch Kareem for Total Points). Only time will tell as James needs another solid 3-4 years to catch Kareem at the top....

[@m.j.w.2876]

@@gabordo3930 more CAREER TOTALS doesn't mean better

[@AskHasani]

how about BILL RUSSELL! THE DISRESPECT!

[@vatoloco8850]

Bill Russell was surrounded with 6 all stars mate in those championships

[@ikeplumo3377]

i dont think you can say magic was a "much better" passer than lebron

[@rljuice]

Bro, Lebron plays in a more advanced game, Magic Johnson isn’t making the same reads as Lebron. Sorry. Flashy passing doesn’t mean you’re better

[@rljuice]

Tala Okoye u lost me when u said the game isn’t more advanced. End of convo, ur ignoring something obvious if u watch the game

[@tonyboots2958]

@@rljuice You lost me when you said Magic wasn’t making the reads LeBron does. Realistically, Bird was a better passer than LeBron, so when it comes to Magic it’s not even a debate.

[@rljuice]

Tony Boots @tala okoye y’all are both wrong because if your truly analyze the game as a student, you would see Lebrons passing has reached an entirely new level. He passes into space, cross court with either hand, in between peoples legs, on the money everytime. With the defensive schemes that teams run now, u don’t think the game is more advanced? The triangle offense won’t even win u games in the NBA rn but it won 6 chips in the 90s and had it been ran in the 80s who knows

[@tonyboots2958]

@@rljuice As someone who truly analyzed the game, I can truly say that you don’t know what you’re talking about. As Tala Okoye states, we’re not saying LeBron is not a great passer because he certainly is, but he’s no Magic. As far as your triangle comment goes, there’s no reason why it couldn’t work today....it’s more a matter of the right personnel running it. All the things you said about passing, Magic could do. Again, LeBron is a great passer, but not on Magic’s level.

[@Air2theRon]

Great takes here with them both. interesting

[@KSmanderes]

8:19 With all due respect, the "I didn't see them play" argument shouldn't matter when it comes to the conversation of Greatest of ALL TIME. If your opinion of the greatest players doesn't span the entire history of a sport, then you should correctly refer to your list as simply "The Greatest of My Lifetime"

[@boondockbwoy14]

Thankyou!!! And my opinions spans the whole history of the game to which facts show MJ as the obvious goat

[@SJH22]

Magic may have been a flashier passer and he was obviously really good at it, but LeBrons accuracy, speed and location for shooters is unmatched.

[@dewanewelch1744]

You are tripping!!!

[@chadwatkins7611]

you could be the fastest man in the world but if you cant hit your shots and play bad def you will never be consider the goat

[@ongolongo]

the only reasonable argument i ever heard in the goat-discussion is from max kellerman. offensen: jordan beats lebron in every offensive category, including PER, true-shooting-%, effectiveness, PPG in regular season and in playoffs plus 10x scoring title. defense: jordan has many more all-defensive-teams and was DPOY. other stats: more championschips, more MVPs, more Finals-MVPs. i really dont understand how this is a debate.

[@puckstopper1937]

Scoring is not all that matters and LeBron’s play style doesn’t favor scoring so this argument doesn’t make sense.

[@davidknowles605]

Lol scoring is not all that matters???? Jordan was in the era where 80pts could get you the W in Finals. That’s why Jordan’s 35+ pt games along with his steals and great defensive game puts him number 1.

[@puckstopper1937]

@@davidknowles605 does that not show that his era was easier to play in?

[@davidknowles605]

@@puckstopper1937 actually it’s the opposite, have to remember that back then defending the paint was intense and MJ made it look easy cutting through 2-3 players, dunking on 6”10 - 7”0 players and if he was closed out on post he would step back with a 20 foot jumpers. 3pt shooters existed but no where near by today’s standards. Different type of basketball Today’s basketball is very open compared to Jordan’s era and the fact of the matter is... a 6”6 guy was dominating in a far more defensive and physical era.

[@cp3190]

@@puckstopper1937 You can't even analyze how great MJ's scoring record was. MJ scored the most points in every single season he played in his prime. Not a single season he was outscored by anybody. He was averaging 32-33 ppg a season while his rivals were scoring almost 10 ppg less than him. And having 80 point games in the 80s and 90s was normal and Jordan would still score 30+. The share of points scored by jordan compared to the average score per game was much higher as well. The bulls style of play didn't favour Jordan getting assists and rebounds even then the one season he had the ball more he averaged 32.5 8 and 8 something which Lebron never did till the 2017 Season. For all the talk about how well rounded a player Lebron is and how much he runs the plays he never averaged 8 and 8 till his 14th season. And yeah Jordan was a perimeter player who averages more offensive rebounds than Lebron which also indicates hes a better rebounder which is not surprising given he was faster and jumped higher than Lebron ever could.

[@balltalkdeep]

I was also kinda shocked Colin didn't place Russell in his top ten I replayed it just to make sure

[@kurtstephen1147]

If lebron just need a ball to win, then why he lost 6 times in the finals?? Oh! Maybe they are not using the ball on those 6 finals and used a coconut instead 😂😂😂😂😂

[@bobbypinkston9374]

Asking the question in earnest: How many chips would each have won if they switched places? Give Bron Pippen, the Worm, Horace Grant and John Paxson and then start MJ on Cleveland with that cast.

[@samuelyoung2671]

😂

[@kendallandrews8691]

Probably close to the same. Jordan would have been better in 2011, but outside of that it would be pretty even. What team that failed to beat the Bulls would all of a sudden beat the Bulls with Lebron there instead of Jordan?

[@arturfonseca7213]

Give Jordan Wade and Bosh and Kyrie, Love and then AD. You know lebron has played with more all stars level players than Jordan.

[@thomy1955]

How many would MJ have if you give him AD, Kyrie, Love, Wade, Ray Allen and Bosh?

[@cheetosleopard9861]

Thomas Gerber not much he plays the same position as wade and he’s too dominant to work with kyrie and he doesn’t elevate players se he wouldn’t work with bosh and love and his playmaking is subpar so he also wouldn’t work well with Ad and mind you he’s not that big or tall so kd would smoke him and he’s never played against zone and the Spurs and heat and warriors play zone at some of the best ever seen

[@dcgrrl321]

Alright Broussard, you can say MJ made Phil when you show me that championship MJ got without Jackson. The man won 5 more damn championships without MJ using the same system.

[@jareds_84]

Phil was very blessed with the best SG ever, the second best shooting guard ever, and (arguably) the most dominant player in NBA history lol

[@dcgrrl321]

@@jareds_84 Yes, he LUCKED into 11 championships with ppl who only won them with him.

[@chriswolf1089]

@@dcgrrl321 pj needed a great roster plus Kobe and MJ needed pj and a great roster lebron did that just 2 and made the 2007 finals with Larry Hughes

[@allanhouston6759]

@@chriswolf1089 2007 Cavs faced one team above .500 in East. ONE. This is not only the credit Lebron. He had good teammates. Not superstars, but not scrub either. Zydrunas Ilgauskas - 2x All-star, Larry Hughes - 1x All-Defensive First Team, 1x steals leader. Larry Hughes shut down Vince Carter to 35% shooting in the 2007 ECSF. He was one of the best Defenders in the league. 2007 ECF: Game 6, Daniel Gibson = 31 Points, on 78%.

[@JoeSmithGOAT]

Lol riiight. Act like Phil didn't also get Shaq and Kobe aka 2 of the top 5 players in the 2000s 🤭

[@ipsizm9265]

Love Broussard. Great show.

[@mr.e347]

That Bulls team had HoF coach, HoF assistant coach, HoF GM, Best defender ever & HoF Rodman and 2 HoFs (Pippen and Kukoc who will be inducted) and MJ.

[@elmer7star]

Lebron needs AD, Dwade, Bosh, Kevin Love, Kyrie Irving, Ray Allen, Dwight Howard, and Rondo. More superstars to win championships.

[@saad1008]

And it got him 4 rings and 4fmvp's lol

[@juliohernandez866]

@Seone Abbyssia that lebron has had more teammates as all stars but at the end of the day they both needed a team around them

[@elmer7star]

@Seone Abbyssia Pippen and Rodman only. Kerr, Grant, Oakley, Kukoc, etc are just role players. Lebron needs more superstars to play with him.

[@shadearca]

@@elmer7star The Bulls were the most stacked team in the league for the 6 championships years. The heavy favorite in every series. And before you say that was because of MJ let me remind you that before Scotie and Phil, Mj was 1-9 in the playoffs and was being swept the first round.

[@elmer7star]

@Persie Clines I am not saying MJ23 is one man team and he does need Rodman and Pippen. Kukoc and the rest are just role players. Kukoc is not a good defender.

[@paulbaker78]

Was there not a ball in Cleveland the first time LeBron was there?

[@chedaniel3275]

He got to the finals in ‘07 no?

[@M3333C]

@SpartanK07 scottie pippen was not as important to Jordan as Kyrie, wade or davis is to Lebron

[@imrvivek]

@@M3333C how many rings does MJ have without Pippen? Chicago went to conference semifinals without Jordan - any team lebron leaves goes directly to #15 in the conference

[@ryant.warren5737]

@@M3333C you're ridiculous. Pippen is widely considered to be top 40-50 of ALL TIME. Wade is the ONLY one of those that you mentioned that is even close to Top 50 of ALL TIME. I'm assuming that you must be in your young 20's...

[@dcgrrl321]

@@M3333C You a fool. Pippen almost brought it home without Jordan. Kyrie and Wade didn't come in sniffing distance.

[@JunKim1983]

3 peat, father gets murdered, goes to an entirely different SPORT, comes back and wins another 3 peat with all 6 Finals MVP with no game 7's is waaay more impressive than winning 3 Finals MVP on 3 different teams with 6 Finals losses. Not even going to get into the 10 scoring titles, career scorings avg, all time defensives, PER numbers, and other accolades that MJ holds. LBJ is Legendary and would get everyone's respect if not claiming HIMSELF the GOAT. Nothing wrong with being #2 or #3 ALL TIME. 73% of NBA players TODAY chose MJ as GOAT. Majority of the world still acknowledges MJ as GOAT. Majority is usually always right.

[@GetBack-up6lo]

Jordan stats are only relevant because he was the only one stacking at the time he played. Now and since his era almost every player can stack stats

[@JJJameson.]

@@GetBack-up6lo Yeah, today's nba is unparalleled to the 90s, players are better trained, healthier, and more athletic, the game is just different

[@JunKim1983]

@@JJJameson. No hand checks. No big men hacking you when you drive to the paint. Soft fouls. More skilled I agree. But it was more difficult to score in Jordan's era yet he still has the highest scoring average and playoff scoring average of ALL TIME. Imagine rules of today. MJ would score like a maniac.

[@DrPommels]

inches closer.... yes, he is 1 inch closer but still 4 feet away.....

[@hershelpogue1745]

When I keep hearing the same talking points, he is bigger stronger, faster, a better rebounder, a better assists, than Michael Jordan. What does this have to do with winning????? Nothing. Winning is about what you do when it counts, how you influence the outcome of the game to win. The records you accumulated over your career versus what when and how you impacted the win , or the winning of game's means more. Nobody and I mean nobody has set the bar higher than Michael Jordan. This is why all the comparisons, all the accomplishments, all the accolades, all the records in regular seasons, all the records in the playoffs, and the college records, and accomplishments, and a NCAA championship, the two Olympics gold medals, and the defensive player of the year, the steal titles 3 of them, and the 6 championships, and 6 finals mvp's that he a massed in 13 years that prove no one is better at basketball, and on all levels of the game he beat the best to be the best. Michael Jordan without a doubt is the greatest of all times. Lebron haven't even approached this level of excellence, or the performances that separate him and Michael Jordan apart from all other basketball players that have ever played the game today and past players as well. We will be watching and waiting for that special player to come again one day. Until then stop comparing subpar talent to the greatest of all times Michael Jordan .

[@bobbymoore8883]

exactly, lebron can win the next 6 chips and im gonna still say the best ive ever seen lace them up is jordan

[@johncena4096]

How is jordan the goat when other players have more rings, finals appearances, DPOYS, points scored. “It’s a mix of all those things” nah just say he’s YOUR favorite and goat

[@hershelpogue1745]

@@johncena4096 I can tell you are young. Listen slowly and pock up on the truth. Their was no other player or players that anybody was calling the greatest of all time. Since you don't know, you don't know over two hundred coaches ans scouts was watching Michael Jordan workouts. They were impressed with his efforts. But back when Michael Jordan played, everyone valued big men as the most important player to build a team around. Now as for Michael Jordan, coaches like Dean Smith, and his coaching staff at north Carolina were very impressed with how he trained and his very competitive nature. Coach Bobby Knight, said during getting the professional NBA players ready for Olympics that Michael Jordan was the greatest basketball player ever, this wasn't just some random statement, he said he was the most skilled ever, the most competitive ever, and the most athletic ever, and with all that combined the greatest ever. He wasn't the only one noticing this Magic Johnson, and Larry Bird also said the very same thing even before he played a single game of NBA basketball. Now besides this he also proved it. And people from all over the world also started watching Michael Jordan play. It wasn't because he was average, it was because we all knew we was seeing the greatest basketball player of all times play right in front of us. Again every arenas were sold out when they knew Michael Jordan was playing their, and everybody was also watching on the television. He got standing ovations from all the people even the ones on other teams. Since you are trying to compare, go and check that out like you checked my truth. And if you believe so much that it's Lebron James then don't use or do Michael Jordan videos. I know Lebron James highlights are boring and are not even a comparisons to all the highlights that Michael Jordan got in just one game. But Michael Jordan got them in all of his games, and it would take you years before you could do them all. But this isn't about that to you, so prove it with a player that can't get it done the same way as the greatest player to ever play that being Michael Jordan.

[@Kryptic496]

Imagine if lebron had wade, bosh, and ray allen in their primes with gregg popovich as the coach for his whole career. We'd see lebron with a ring every other year lol

[@oneyedthing]

That can be true... but reality is another team will form to beat that team. That is just the trend of superteams

[@DavidSungsEVILROBOT]

Wtf .....Wade and Bosh WERE in their primes. Nonsensical comment

[@cp3190]

Wade and Bosh were in their primes lol. They were from the same draft class. Do you even know what a prime age is ? Sounds like the same stupid argument where people say Stockton and Malone were out of their prime when they played MJ even though Malone is younger than MJ.

[@23jakesmith23]

@@cp3190 Wade had been battling multiple injuries throughout his career at that point and was NOT the same player at all by 2014. If he was, that would have been a tight series.

[@Kryptic496]

@@cp3190 wade definitely wasnt he could still get 20 maybe but bosh wasnt close to the guy he was on the raptors

[@ScamNewton77]

Chris "I still have Lebron at #2" Broussard

[@cjchaworth]

It’s almost like basketball’s a team game...

[@johnpace1131]

I like how lebron lived up to the hype and really went beyond that. Who thought he would be mentioned with Jordan and the greats. Of course he was gonna be an amazing athlete but he has done it. He's been completely dedicated and should be very proud. I

[@BTIsrael]

Kevin Love has a stronger HOF resume than Kyrie...

[@keonteDABES]

As of today yes, we’ll see when they retire

[@IAmNextUp]

Explain Bronze...

[@oneyedthing]

Right now, they'll be a little bit far from the HOF list. That Cavs team weren't going nowhere until Lebron Came back. And both players havent been successful on their own.. Bosh might even be ahead of the 2.

[@isaiaharmand8841]

I disagree with that

[@dewanewelch1744]

Love and Kyrie will make HOF.

[@thebrazydiamond4791]

Chris turning into Skip Bayless

[@RooseveltAliWashingtonX]

5:36. Cowherd is co-signing Scottie's argument about this bubble season.

[@andreljohnson8288]

Bill Russell Has 11 Championships and went to 13 Finals, isn't he the GOAT then? By the way, he loves LeBron game more. And Kareem Abdul Jabar only lost a game twice in all of high school and college at UCLA. Isn't Kareem the GOAT? Why do you throw out the winning championships rules after players pass 6 championships and there are a number of them. Google and compare! Big Shot Rob won 7 championships and what about Wilt Chamberlain's career in which he scored 100 points in a game and had insane rebounding and scoring averages that look like he got on a video game? Everytime I try to point this out, MJ has many like LeBron who has been to more Finals and have more Championships like Bill Russell. Why doesn't Kobe and Magic get in the conversation? Kobe passed MJ in career scoring and went to more Finals and has 5 championships. Magic won in college at Michigan and as soon as he entered the NBA totaling 5 championships also like Kobe. Kobe and Magic went to more Finals too. How come the NFL Network said that Dan Marino is the greatest quarterback of all time without winning a single Superbowl? How many rings do you have to win to be the very best and what other criteria should be wayed?? There are a number of players that have 6-8 championships, and two with 10 & 11! @gerizzyYMcrew , Bill Russell 11 Championships in 13 Seasons and made all 13 NBA Finals (remember Finals MVP started after his career so he would have about 11 which is insane too), MJ's 6 in 15 seasons. Kareem's 6 in 20 seasons. Sam Jones 10 in 12. K.C. Jones 8 in 9. John Havlicek 8 in 16. Frank Ramsey 7. Robert Horry 7 in 16. Kobe 5 in 20. Shaq 4. Lebron 4 in 17 seasons. Bob Cousy 6. Tim Duncan 5 in 19 seasons. Magic 5 in 13. Rodman 5 in 14. George Mikan 5 in 7. Tom Heinsoh 8 in 9. Tom Sanders 8 and Jim Loscutoff 7 in 9. Wilt Chamberlain had insane rebounding and scoring averages!

[@tomm9118]

What you just said is statistically stagnant. Bill is well respected, but his 11 championships came in an era that was kind of developing with no real proper competition. Kareem again is well respected and should be always in a top 5 conversation. Wilt played in the same era as Bill and like Bill, just dominated and was ahead of his time. Magic and Jordan certainly played in the hardest era of the 80s and 90s in which it was both physically and mentally demanding with high competition. MJ will always be the GOAT mate and always will be. LeBron is a once in a generational player and top 3-5 of all time. but he aint MJ. End of story lad.

[@xpact83]

You should know that there many factors to be considered the goat yes championships, awards matter but it doesn't stop there. There is also the eye test, how you carried the team stats, leading the leauge pero season or career . Combine all of those and you see Jordan on top.

[@Ava-jp4hw]

Eye test you say? If you look closely Bulls still a 50+ win team when MJ left.. when LBJ leaves any team they on the bottom 5 suddenly.. now tell me whos carrying heavier loads?

[@gregdowdell782]

Bill Russell won against people who were short and had full time jobs besides playing in the league. Facts. Lol MJ scored 32k double teamed for most his career. Facts. Defense and offensive player of the year. Fact. Alternative facts will never make lebron the goat. Lol

[@soosoo9753]

U just said the answer lol. LBJ is good at carrying a team to playoffs but not in finals, but MJ can beat the best teams. Use ur brain, one player can make u beat the 2 top teams in nba, u think thats easy?

[@benjacoby4899]

I think the majority of the people in the MJ Bron debate are like Chris Broussard where MJ is the goat but slightly but Lebron is #2 and could still potentially if he wins a few more pass him, and then there are the idiots on both sides who say like MJ would be Demar Derozan in this era or that Lebron couldn't handle the the physicality of 80s

[@ryant.warren5737]

Both would dominate in the different areas. Lebron is SO physical, he would easily be able to handle to 80's and 90's. Players like Curry would not be anywhere near as effective as he is so tiny. Jordan was such a physical player, he would dominate in these days as well....

[@tonyboots2958]

Good comment! I agree, as someone who thinks MJ is the GOAT, I also acknowledge LeBron’s talent and great career thus far, but smh when I see people say that LeBron would be a bench player in the 80’s & 90’s just like I smh when I see people make the Derozan comparison to MJ in today’s game. Both of those are foolish statements.

[@soprano94]

Pretty much

[@benjacoby4899]

@@ryant.warren5737 I disagree because defense in the 80s is way overrated the best defensive era in the nba was form like 1995-2007 but 80s watch the games half those guys couldn't play today

[@JahleelX-xx9wd]

Great point. Pretty much summed it up.

[@gilbertalvarez5917]

Players should be ranked by decades, never between decades.

[@andremarji]

Great list

[@jimmymaheras2365]

"occasionally the finals" lol okay there

[@PearlJamGuy10]

He was referring the narrative of "dragging bad rosters to the finals", which he has done VERY occasionally, if at all, because he always needs a stacked team

[@BluJae93]

Lebron doesn’t need anything but every single season we talk about everything he needs

[@Knight0170]

And every single season he made it to the finals with what he had.

[@chadwatkins7611]

@@Knight0170 he had great players every year he won

[@KNIGHTDRAGON87]

I think Chris has given a fair assessment on this, especially regarding Phil Jackson

[@programR3]

Great job Chris!

[@dionysise5008]

Lebron is unique. Perhaps a hybrid of Magic and Karl Malone...maybe

[@erictolbert5769]

Athleticism like Jordan and a bird type iq.

[@SteveBwondering]

A “Stacked” team is having top tier players 1-5 aka GSW with KD & deMarcus. Best Bron had was a top tier PF and SG... rest of team was old guys and rookies/2nd year

[@RoninBgk]

Wade and Bosh both were top ten

[@SteveBwondering]

@@RoninBgk hence why I CLEARLY said Wade n Bosh were the top tier players in their position and rest of team was old n washed

[@allanhouston6759]

@@SteveBwondering D Wade defeated Prime Dirk Nowitzki sans Lebron in the 2006 Nba Finals. 2011 Playoffs: Dwyane Wade = 24- 7- 4, FG-48% Chris Bosh = 18- 8- 1, FG-47% 2012 Playoffs: Dwyane Wade= 23- 5- 4, FG-47% Chris Bosh = 14- 8- 1, FG-49% 2013 Playoffs: Dwyane Wade = 16- 4- 5, FG-45% Chris Bosh = 12- 7- 1, FG-47% 3P-40% Ray Allen = 10- 3- 1, FG-43% 3P-40%. 2014 Playoffs: Dwyane Wade = 18- 4- 4, FG-50% Chris Bosh = 15- 5- 1, FG-50% 3P-40% Ray Allen = 9- 3-1 , FG-43% 3P-39% 2015 Playoffs: Kyrie Irving = 19- 3- 4, FG-43% 3P-45% Kevin Love = 14- 7- 2, FG-41% 3P-43%. 2016 Playoffs: Kyrie Irving = 25- 3- 5, FG-47% 3P-44% Kevin Love = 14- 9- 2, FG-38% 3P-42% 2017 Playofs: Kyrie Irving = 26- 3- 5, FG-47% 3P-37% Kevin Love = 17- 10- 1, FG-43% 3P-45% 2020 Playoffs: Anthony Davis = 28 10- 3, FG-56% MJ didn"t have that luxury.

[@chadwatkins7611]

@@SteveBwondering that was a great bench.. your dumb next

[@fooly23]

Glad to see that we have someone good enough to even challenge Michael Jordan’s Greatness that says enough

[@Coachkingrod]

I agree Colin!

[@fabiocheng7649]

ok to the comment that Mj needed scottie is because the league was for men at that time unlike now, if someone looks bad at lebron it is technical foul, fine, suspension and there is a minute of silence for so much violence. In addition, the strategy changed in the rotation of the ball and released Mj and other players so as not to be violated and to be able to score a basket, it was not only because of the arrival of Scottie Pippen.

[@VelhaGuardaTricolor]

GOAT debate is simple and people complicate it, if you consider: - RINGS, there is no debate Bill Russell is the GOAT - DOMINANCE one can argue about a few like: Lebron James, Wilt, Bill Russell, Jordan, Kareem,etc... - SHEER OVERALL QUALITY of the player: No debate, it is Lebron James, he can do it all. - Showmanship and Charisma: Westbrook, Kyrie, Kobe, Jordan, Iverson, Curry, Lebron, etc.... - The one who overcame more adversity: Lebron James

[@gagandhaliwal9391]

Lmao how did bron overcome more adversity? He played with more all stars than MJ and had more help. Mj 3peated with 1 all star in pippen and was getting hammered by celtics dynasty and bad boy pistons before he even had a team.

[@AJ_Jingco]

@@gagandhaliwal9391 Michael Jordan COULD NEVER come back from a 3-1 deficit against a 72-9 Warriors team.

[@fernansantos1926]

i like them both at the same lavel. whoever u choose, u wont make mistake. the thing is for sure, they shared the same room.

[@josuardgonzales7843]

For Kobe stans who keep going and reminding him. Yes rip and total respect for the mamba But 4fmvp and 4 mvp This convo only belongs to Jordan, Kareem and Lebron

[@CWJ0725]

Lebron stans like Kendrick Perkins would call Chris a hater for not calling Lebron the GOAT.

[@markjefferson2434]

Lebron had to assemble teams, Jordan played with what he had.

[@lacylee5181]

Lol stupid

[@boitshepomonaledi2853]

Which was Phil Jackson, the triangle system and Scottie Pippen. Jordan had so little to work with.

[@doratheexplorer8274]

@@boitshepomonaledi2853 I know right, lebron has no help he only had Dwade, Ray Allen, Bosh, Kyrie, Love and AD, so little

[@jamesd1457]

@@boitshepomonaledi2853 don't forget it was just jordan from 83-84 then in 87 scottie came

[@haskellkraiem5664]

Lebron could not win until he teamed up with Bosh and wade, love and Irving and when he went to lakers didn't even make playoffs until he got Davis in a short season. Herd is way off on this

[@naturalmystic1262]

2:17 Best joke in 2020 "LeBron just needs the ball" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@citizenghosttown]

1. Lebron is not a "better version" of Magic. He's a very different player. 2. Can we just stop with these comparisons? Who cares whether Lebron can or can't ever surpass Jordan as the GOAT. Can't we just enjoy this wonderful player and his game?

[@grayhat_9x]

As soon as Lebron gets retired and off trending/hype there will be no debate. Still he's best of this generation and not even close

[@boondockbwoy14]

Well of course can say this generation yes but for the overall entirety of the game the goat is obviously MJ

[@masonbaird9622]

Michael is the best player anyone has ever played AGAINST. Lebron is the best player anyone has ever played WITH.

[@abielberhane6897]

Michael had the best number 2 in league history Lebron has went from franchise to franchise and won with no continuity his accomplishments and skill Set is unmatched

[@dionysise5008]

Interesting

[@Moonlightjaden]

What?

[@alexxa5584]

I agree

[@wolrdpeace493]

Great coach needed great players they have to come along, however good your system is if your player cant perform nothing will happen, even if the coach designs a great play if the player cant shoot you aint winning.

[@robertboone2691]

Chris, your point about Lebron was not "the" system is solid...especially with Playoff Rondo interchanging in that system. Good point!

[@andreljohnson8288]

Lebron vs MJ: Defending LeBron's Legacy of why he doesn't already have 6-7 titles: Folks tell me why did LeBron lose to the Dallas Mavericks? Why did LeBron James and the Early Cavs struggle against the four all stars in their prime of Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, KG, and Rajon Rondo? Why did LeBron and the Cavs lose to the Spurs of Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili, and Tim Duncan in 2007? Why did LeBron and the Heat lose to the 5 all stars of Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili, Tony Parker, Kwahi Leonard, and a red hot 🔥🔥🔥🔥 Danny Green? At points in the series they shot 70% from the field, who in history would have beaten this team? Why did LeBron lose to the Warriors after he lost Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love or do we look at it like we do the Toronto Raptors winning because the Warriors lost all 3 of its Super stars of Steph, Klay and Durant? Is it reasonable to believe LeBron and the Cavs could be a team with Durant added and shouldn't Durant not been allowed to be on the team like Chris Paul not going to the Lakers? Did Durant going to an already 73-9 Warriors team that LeBron James and the Cavs overcame a 3-1 hole to win a championship make it out of reach for LeBron and cost him 1-2 titles? Say LeBron James averages a triple double at age 35, is that playing bad against the Miami Heat? Lebron is 14-0 in the first round and has never lost in the first round, has MJ ever done that? What has LeBron James done 6 times that only Larry Bird did since 1987 in the Playoffs? Did MJ do this? Who has the career playoff and career regular season points of LeBron vs MJ? Even Kobe has more points than MJ too. Who has played the most games career wise? Lebron or MJ. Who has the most rebounds and assists and steals career - LeBron or MJ? How many games has MJ won without Pippen? Zero. Pippen has won series without MJ on the East Coast and West Coast, and so has Lebron! Has MJ ever won a title on multiple teams like LeBron did with Miami, Cavs, and the Lakers? Only Robert Horry which has won 7 and gets almost no recognition of passing MJ and John Sally has done this as a superstar like LeBron! Yes, MJ has scoring titles but when you add all the points together who has the most points? Lebron or MJ. Hmmm. I thought MJ was the GOAT? Lebron has never had a two year break and came back right at playoffs time like MJ? Lebron James is asked to play and play and score and do it all still at 35. The Bulls would have still won if you were to add Kobe to the same team for the sake of argument. Now place MJ on the Cavs teams of 2007 would they even make it to the Eastern Conference Finals let alone the NBA Finals? And remember all the 60+ seasons LeBron had with the Cavs without a superstar, would MJ have won against the Boston Celtics of the Big 4 of Rajon Rondo, Paul Pierce, KG, and Ray Allen? My point is that LeBron James had to play this super team, the super team of the Warriors with Kevin Durant and the Super Team of San Antonio; would MJ and the Bulls beaten them? People have a great recollection of the Dallas Mavericks series but realistically, historically it takes two years for a new team to win a title and LeBron did this with an aged Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh. What team in NBA history has ever won against a team shooting 70% regular season and especially Postseason? Who has more career playoff wins? And Who has more NBA Finals appearances? Lebron James....not MJ! Even if you give MJ two titles he never won, LeBron James still leads this category and his career is not over! Is the Coronavirus Pandemic Season and the Coronovirus Pandemic the hardest pestilence to ever come on sports? Do you think the NBA Bubble is soft and easy to play in? Explain. Would you be willing to do it as an athlete, or would you rather do it like pre- COVID19? hmmm. That's what I thought. Let's say you say the social unrest of the 1960s, especially 1968 is the worst sports season to play in ever? Now combine the Coronovirus Pandemic NBA Season and social unrest not seen since the 1960s and then combine that with Kobe's tragic helicopter accident representing your home franchise all happening within the same year, no pressure, easy for LeBron? Has MJ faced anything like this? Yes. When his father passed away and gambling allegations. But he took a two year break and this was before social media and the internet. Lebron James is criticized 24 hours a day and 7 days a week. Who has been through more on the court? Lebron or MJ. Did MJ beat the Celtics in their peak? Lakers? Bad Boy Pistons? Injuries and age helped. Imagine if LeBron James could get away with hand checking and hard fouls on a team like the 1990s New York Knicks or 1990s Indiana Pacers versus the Bulls and MJ. Who would win? Is LeBron physically and mentally tough to play in MJ's Era? Yes. MJ would score like James Harden and Kevin Durant but a more conservative shot selection. With the rules today, Dennis Rodman wouldn't last half a season in today's NBA with all the antics and technical fouls. This would leave MJ and Pippen vulnerable. The 72-10 Bulls record has been beaten by a 73-9 Warriors team before Kevin Durant. And LeBron James came back from 3-1 deficit in the NBA FINALS. Greatest Comeback ever maybe over New England vs Atlanta Superbowl & Boston Red Sox from 0-3. Lebron James vs MJ. Game over. Career stats and wins. And LeBron's Legacy is not over yet. Remember, LeBron James has the exact titles MJ had at the same age! Correct? 3 + this year put him ahead by 1. Only LeBron, KG, and Kobe have made a straight transition from high school to the NBA successfully careerwise. Not MJ. Actually MJ did 4 years of college and came into the NBA at age 22-21. Lebron James was already in his first of 10 NBA Finals. Would MJ have left a championship team twice to go to a dinosaur lottery team on Cavs and Lakers? Nope. When LeBron left Cavs twice, the season afterwards they were lottery teams and before the same. When MJ left the Bulls were they still a Playoff team? Who has the most triple doubles? Lebron. So actually LeBron James is at 4 titles and 1 game ahead of Michael Jordan. MJ's last title was at 38! I will not talk about the Washington Wizard Years but LeBron James would never get that free pass. MJ vs Lebron. I made my case through your answers to my questions. Case closed. Both wore number 23 and everyone is afraid. Congratulations 🎊👍👏👍👍🎊👏🎊🎊🎊🎊🎊🎊🎊 on Championship #4 for Lakers and 17th for Lakers!!!!!!!!! Watch for more "Clayton Crowley's Making the Case LeBron" on KZbin.

[@webslinger4733]

Bro, paragraphs/indentations are your friend. Nobody reading that wall of text.

[@nathanielbutt]

Most ridiculous yt comment ever, sums up the sort of ppl that are in the minority (lebron goat)

[@andreljohnson8288]

@gerizzyYMcrew , Is he better than Kareem, Wilt, and Bill Russell ? Nope. And not LeBron..by the way respect him..he wants his respect.

[@andreljohnson8288]

@gerizzyYMcrew , Bill Russell 11 Championships in 13 Seasons and made all 13 NBA Finals (remember Finals MVP started after his career so he would have about 11 which is insane too), MJ's 6 in 15 seasons. Kareem's 6 in 20 seasons. Sam Jones 10 in 12. K.C. Jones 8 in 9. John Havlicek 8 in 16. Frank Ramsey 7. Robert Horry 7 in 16. Kobe 5 in 20. Shaq 4. Lebron 4 in 17 seasons. Bob Cousy 6. Tim Duncan 5 in 19 seasons. Magic 5 in 13. Rodman 5 in 14. George Mikan 5 in 7. Tom Heinsoh 8 in 9. Tom Sanders 8 and Jim Loscutoff 7 in 9. Wilt Chamberlain had insane rebounding and scoring averages!

[@andreljohnson8288]

@gerizzyYMcrew , History never lies. You're erasing history. There's a reason he usually hands out the trophy for MVPs in NBA.

[@yoe91]

hadn't thought about Kareem vs Shaq. I guess Kareem would outsmart and school Shaq a bit, while Shaq would bruise him but not have the easiest time either as Kareem was a towering, athletic defender.

[@twonetwone1]

Colin talking about he can’t put Bill Russell and Oscar in there because he didn’t see them play.... but he has Wilt Chamberlain in there so I guess he saw him play right!😂

[@Mach15-20]

They are stupid hypocrites

[@tmaziriri]

Let's not forget a young Lebron took the 2007 Cavs to the NBA finals. That's insane. That might possibly be a greater achievement that his Miami and Lakers rings. That team might be the worst team in history to play in the NBA finals.

[@boy10413]

So what did they win

[@moneyclarkmoneyclark3468]

Bron has won a championship for every team he had played for

[@adi3102]

So has Jordan, Kobe, Duncan, Russel, Magic, and Bird. I understood the underlying intent of your comment. Loyalty to a team is not a fault. Jumping ship and winning is not a praise. You cannot fault great players for choosing to not hop to different teams to win championships.

[@xxtetsukuroxx4879]

@@adi3102 Corrections: Jordan didn't win with the Wizards.

[@jacoballen4189]

Stop this. He has one legit chip and that’s the one in Cleveland. And until that Golden State choke, the 2011 Heat were the biggest choke artists in the NBA. Create a super team and then lose to two aging white guys and Terry. No disrespect to Dirk or J Kidd but that should’ve been a 4-1 or a sweep for Miami. His Lakers without AD missed the playoffs. The one team he carried to the Finals by himself got swept.

[@godofcod89]

Only reason ex players say LeBron is better than Jordan is cause they dont like Michael Jordan. They hate him cause he dominated 90s era