LeBron has to 3-peat to be eye-to-eye with MJ - Broussard | NBA | SPEAK FOR YOURSELF

Chris Broussard joins Marcellus Wiley and Emmanuel Acho to discuss LeBron James' legacy. Broussard lays out what more LeBron needs to do to be eye-to-eye with Michael Jordan in the GOAT conversation.
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[@SpeakOnFS1]

What does LeBron James need to do to be eye-to-eye with Michael Jordan?

[@yhassenbey]

He passed him already .....4 first place finishes and 6 2nd place finishes ...we only talk about 6 seasons with MJ and he’s played 15 🥴🥴

[@Reloaded_24_7]

I would have to agree LBJ needs the 3 peat to be eye to eye and also......

[@yhassenbey]

@@Reloaded_24_7 that’s a team accomplishment Dr.Jay said it best you can only go as far as you team can take you ....Jordan had a team that made the playoffs twice with out him during his first retirement that TEAM was the best team ever because Jordan only role was to guard his man and score ...lebron leads his team in every major statistical category for all of his rings ...Jordan lead in scoring and Pippen lead in rebounds assists steals ...lebron has never played on a team that could be good without him

[@justthisguy1948]

@@yhassenbey every year Jordan had the best team in the nba he won sometimes lebron has the best team and still loses

[@nyabennah5858]

...even then it wouldn't be enough.

[@josealfonsoterrero5924]

A 250 pounds forward averaging 7 rebounds for a lifetime, Jordan with 200 pounds averaged 6 plus ten scoring titles, 9 defensive first teams, 2....3 peats(23)!!! With one all star teammate, 31 ppg lifetime, 33 in playoffs (best ever)and 6 finals MVPs and never lost the olympic gold, college or dream team, Lebron's dream team lost to puerto rico, get ready, 92-73!!! And lost to argentina to settle for the bronze, gold is gold, top of the list.

[@gilbertoros2028]

You play to win the game....according to someone... hello

[@Icanthearyou.]

He played more years. Of course he has more points rebounds and assists.

[@Kdsmoovedab]

He did it on less shot attempts and a higher percentage 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@putitinreverseterry]

@@Kdsmoovedab You fail to give a deeper explanation behind those stats. most of Lebrons field goals come from 2 feet or closer to the rim (meaning his fg% is high because most of his shots are right by the rim) but if you dive into deeper analytics you will see that mj's fg% is way higher than lebrons when shooting ALL across the floor from 3-20 feet. Lebron also has the most turnovers in nba history, an embarassing free throw %, No footwork, no finnesse, no post game and lacks a jump shot.

[@Kdsmoovedab]

wiggle wiggle Yet is going to be the #1 scorer in nba history pretty soon from now.

[@tcgrant3267]

Facts they dont bring up defensive stats

[@richardtrevino5516]

@@tcgrant3267 they don't bring those up cause it won't be close

[@enriquedelance6746]

LeBron literally said “ bring a criteria they never held anyone else too “ and the next day BOOM HE Gotta 3 peat to the goat

[@b1bbscraz3y]

MJ is the greatest ever. LeBron is the best ever talentwise and numbers

[@jvtopflight796]

MJ 3peated 2x.. So im sure it was in his criteria.. Reason he did it 2x..lol

[@joreljebre]

@@jvtopflight796 jordan never defeated a dynasty in its prime. LEBRONs criteria

[@killahammo1]

Lol.....

[@kenyaq420cuervo3]

@@joreljebre don't act like the refs didn't help when they warriors and Drayton being suspended was a major factor or it would have been over

[@jdtoledo]

The 6 finals loses and 2011 meltdown really having an effect on his legacy. MJ still having us go excited with his J’s man.

[@edp-gb6yz]

agreed but if he ends his career with 6 chips and 40k 11k 11k i might have to say he has passed jordan, we’re splitting hairs here

[@ddrewskiiiiii]

2011 he was stated as the most hated player on this earth jordan never experience that pressure

[@YoungBlood507]

If he 3peats I will have to give it to him but can never pass him cause of the 6 finals losses; including 2 sweeps, 07’ sweep can be justified as well as going against KD warriors dynasty, but if you’re the greatest player in history you can’t have such huge failures like that. Lebron is leading in every offensive category except ppg. MJ is by far the better defender and closer, too many times Lbj would rather make the best play rather than close it himself and demand the ball, I wish he would because contrary to what Lbj haters say; he’s very clutch and the best player should have the ball which is him

[@YoungBlood507]

If he 3peats I will have to give it to him but can never pass him cause of the 6 finals losses; including 2 sweeps, 07’ sweep can be justified as well as going against KD warriors dynasty, but if you’re the greatest player in history you can’t have such huge failures like that. Lebron is leading in every offensive category except ppg. MJ is by far the better defender and closer, too many times Lbj would rather make the best play rather than close it himself and demand the ball, I wish he would because contrary to what Lbj haters say; he’s very clutch and the best player should have the ball which is him

[@edp-gb6yz]

@@YoungBlood507 i 100% agree with you, because of 2011 alone, i think lebron has to close in on 40k points, 11k rebounds, 11k assists, and to tie mj in the finals to overtake him, thats just my opinion

[@brunobotr2020]

but lebron fans also cherry pick stats as well. nick wright being the primary example.

[@SH-jd3zg]

Both cherry pick stats

[@brunobotr2020]

@@SH-jd3zg agreed.

[@rashaad8083]

We both do I’m Lebron all day

[@nategiorgi1097]

We won’t agreee with him as a lebron fan

[@mig6pie]

@Tommy Bain MJ was a formidable one on one defender, he won the scoring title and the best defensive player on the same season, he was relentless defending the passing lanes, but the one problem I’ve got with LeBron, is the fact that he called himself the king, the chosen one, and his constant search for validation, he is great, yes, but MJ is all class and that makes him far greater

[@nhoodjazz]

Nobody stopping anybody saying you got the 22’s on 😂😂😂🤣

[@CoFlameWheel]

😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

[@Philthethrilllll]

Facts 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@DJDangercmg]

Facts 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@droc3423]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@josiev9906]

Thank you 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@aadames]

winning 3 in a row is more impressive than winning 3 in 5 years.

[@frostyrucker1970]

Even if u make the finals all five years?

[@aadames]

@@frostyrucker1970 yes in my opinion. it's truly dominant and dynastic. but 3 in 5 years is also great in its own right.

[@i0v0ist]

Context matters danny green just won back to back championships but nobody is talking about it because of the context...it how you win not how many..that’s why bill is not the goat

[@Ironboy00]

Okay bill got 11 rings and yet ppl said it's because of his era he played in but we dont say that to jordan in his era

[@aadames]

@@Ironboy00 check out Hollinger & Duncan's recent podcast. they talk about the era Jordan played in.

[@billyjenkins3672]

Broussard killed it🤣🤣💯

[@adamcarpenter1869]

Jerry west went to 7 finals in 10 years and a total of 9 finals appearances in his 14 year career. And that was mostly in the 60’s and that is still considered the modern era. I wish some of these analysts do their homework.

[@CarlosHernandez-yf3jv]

Michael jordan he from back in 1984

[@skillethead15]

The 60s is not the modern era. The modern era was when the NBA and ABA merger took place in 1976. And even then, some people don’t consider it the modern era until the 80s. Then you have others who consider the modern era after the 2000s when the defense rule changes were put in place. Either way, the modern era is not the 60s.

[@adamcarpenter1869]

@@skillethead15 technically the “modern era” was between 1500-1800. But really the modern era is considered by many to be from 1946-present. So this would include the 60’s. Either way I still don’t see why no one compares west to lebron. There numbers in ppg, apg and rpg are nearly identical for there careers. They both went to 9 and 10 finals and have a losing record. People want to say lebron is better than Jordan cuz he went to more finals. Ok well west went to 9. So are we then to say west is better than Jordan? Don’t think so. Side note: west did all of this with no three point line. Think about that. And west is considered one of the best shooters in the NBA. If you took the three away from lebron we would have a different narrative when it comes to his shooting.

[@shotarokaneda7525]

@@adamcarpenter1869 skillethead15 is absolutely right

[@adamcarpenter1869]

@@shotarokaneda7525 that’s great. If we knew what these guys meant by modern era then I’d say he is right but some people have opinions on what the modern era is. Anyway why can’t we compare west to lebron? That was my main point

[@TH-cq7bj]

Acho running with longevity stats lol. Such a sad argument

[@handeezyspeakseasy398]

Super sad

[@hershelpogue1745]

Michael Jordan was 100% percent in the finals, with finals MVPs to prove he was the only reason they won. Also Michael Jordan 3 threepeated twice and no one has ever done this to win but him he was perfect. We will never see this kind of performance ever again. Against the shear amount of hall of famers Michael Jordan faced throughout his time and career in the NBA.

[@ash1234073]

Jordan got eliminated before finals in nba finals you tool🤣🤣🤣

[@davidng8870]

Broussard is like one of those rappers that does his best work as a guest star on other peoples albums. He is better on other shows than on his own

[@dparks2856]

The LOX

[@kylesmith1876]

Not anymore

[@jessedominguez543]

He's a great feature

[@veronicafoxx27]

Facts

[@VGarcia1984]

even if Lebron gets 5 or 6 rings still its hard to swallow the fact that he lost 6x right?? while Jordan has 6 rings and 0 loss in the FINALS ... yeah he maybe there in mt rushmore but still he would be either second to Jordan...for me Lebron needs to erase those finals loses and thats virtually impossible 💁🏻‍♀️💯😅

[@Viciousthedark]

Since when did finals loss become something that negatively impacts a players status?? The nba Logo Jerry west lost the most finals and nobody bashes him for it y’all just wanna do it to lebron because he’s mad more finals than Jordan how does this sound?? I got as many rings as you AND made the finals twice as much

[@ash1234073]

You do know jordan career is 15 years not 6 and he was eliminated in playoffs before nba finals?

[@80wunderlust]

It’s hard to swallow how he lost those....especially against Dallas. Then he got swept by spurs 1 time and golden state once. Plus a record margin loss.

[@80wunderlust]

@@ash1234073 so LeBron jus played 10 Seasons and not 18?

[@honorfirst7506]

And Lebron kept losing, then changing teams, and bringing up top nba players to the teams, despite 2 of the teams already had a top nba player. But he’s not penalized for that by the media, but Durant is.

[@williebender1895]

You forgot to mention he’s played way longer. Mj retied twice and went to college 3 years and lbj just catching him lol

[@oscarmiramontes8577]

These dorks dont know anything

[@devantej13]

LeBron was drafted when he was a senior in high school Jordan HAD to go to college big difference Jordan wasnt even the best play on his high school team gtfoh

[@williebender1895]

@@devantej13 this is a pointless point. . You must be like 17-18 years old to post this . If so I give you a pass if you’re 30 and up please go back and educate yourself to bring facts with merit

[@jonathanbatista6135]

@@williebender1895 So we should hold it against Lebron that Jordan retired twice? lol stop it man. Who cares when Lebron is catching Jordan, its not a test of speed its a marathon. Jordan had 2 3 peats in a 8 year span. Nobody brings up his accolades before being a champion or after with the wizards. Why? Because he wasn't a winner. His career accolades are literally in a 8 year span. Thats it. Lebron has had a longer career, in fact he just won his 4th ring. So his first time in the finals was 07, and his most recent title run was this year. Thats a 13 year span of dominance.

[@williebender1895]

@@jonathanbatista6135 also you don’t get a half ring for getting to the finals. Lebron just made history and no one cared lol just check the rating lol

[@sherlockxerxestagle7164]

Even when Lebron wins two more chips, haters will minimise the win by saying he was not the best/dominant player on the team....

[@pedrovarrgas]

He needs to take the shot in the last 7 seconds. That’s when legends are made. Who cares if you make 30 points when your team was behind 20 points during the game.

[@pedrovarrgas]

But if Lebron win 2 chips he will eye to eye with Jordan.

[@b1bbscraz3y]

that's a hypothetical. you can't say that because he has less rings now and they make arguments for why LeBron isn't goat, that they would do the same if he had equal or more titles. I get that the media is goofy asf, but that's being a bit too unfair. if LeBron wins 6 rings, I highly doubt they will still say MJ is goat over him. as of right now he has less rings, so LeBron being goat over MJ is not something as solid or equal like it would be if he had 6 or more

[@NotLikeUss]

@@b1bbscraz3y the fact that LeBron can make any franchise he chooses into a champion, speaks volumes. What LeBron has done & still is doing will never be replicated. 4x MVP, 4x FMVP, 1x scoring & assist leader. By the time he retires he’s gone be 1st or top 5 in pretty much every stat that matters in the NBA & 1st in every post season stat including wins. It’s bonkers. MJs will never be replicated either, dude has 10x scoring titles, 6FMVP, 5 MVP & two 3 peats, my god. When it’s all said & done it’s probably going to be MJ 1 & LeBron 2 or 1b.

[@b1bbscraz3y]

@@NotLikeUss MJ is the "greatest" ever. LeBron is the best talentwise and with numbers. to me, I think these debates should be greatest player by position. it's not fair to compare different positions and how often we leave out big men. MJ is the greatest SG ever. LeBron is the greatest SF ever. MJ is the "greatest" because of his feats of great accomplishment. LeBron has feats of great accomplishment but not the same as MJ, but LeBron is without a doubt the most talented player of all time and the perfect mold of a basketball player to ever step foot on court for Lebron making teams champions. it's artificial because he makes those teams himself crafted the way he needs them to be to make his own game work. not a bad thing, but it's not like LeBron was on a championship team then traded to another team and they win a championship, then traded again to another team and win a championship LeBron being able to craft his own teams is something other players didn't have the luxury of. LeBron specifically crafted his teams to have a big man who can stretch the floor to make it easier for LeBron to get to the basket. he did that specifically because he knew he wasn't a great shooter and his best way of scoring is barreling his way to the basket. smart, but no one else had the luxury of being able to craft their own team like that. MJ had to play in an era where his team needed a big man who plays in the paint because so many other teams had one. if MJ had the luxury of crafting his own teams who knows what he could have done

[@tashrif46]

Lol the funniest part about this argument is Acho saying 'Who's fault was that?' Imagine faulting someone for playing less years but winning more. Smh

[@DemonTime08]

Lebron could have 8 rings rn and they'd still have a different excuse

[@keithzardersjr.5077]

HERE IT IS: Jordan vs James: Updated after LeBron’s 14th season. Michael Jordan has: •3 more rings •3 more final mvps •1 more DPOY •1 more season MVP •9 more scoring titles •3 more steals leader •3 more all defensive team selections •4000 more points / bron moved past him in playoff points, but it took him longer. •800 more steals •Beat 20 50+ win teams in the playoffs (Lebron only defeated 10) •Jordan never averaged less than 40% Field Goal in the finals Lebron did it twice •6/6 (never allowed a game 7) •Lebron had much more offensive help, example: Jordan never had a teammate average more than 22 points in the finals.. In fact, Mj is Only player in NBA history to lead a team to the championship with only one teammate averaging double figures in scoring * In the Bulls’ 1997 playoff run, Scottie Pippen averaged 19 points per game on 42% shooting. All other teammates of Jordan averaged under 8 points per game Kyrie averaged over 28 and DWade averaged more than 26 •MJ never ever had a finals meltdown like Lebron in 2011 against the Mavs •MJ had more points in the playoffs in less games. MJ accomplished all of this in 13 seasons Lebron after his 14th season, is still chasing the “ghost” (GOAT) that played in Chicago” •Michael Jordan in the playoffs has put up atleast 40ppg, 5rpg, 5apg in 6 different playoff series. Along with an average of about 55% shooting, 3spg and 2bpg. (86 vs bos, 89 vs cavs, 90 vs philly, 92 vs Miami, 93 vs Phoenix, 88 vs cavs) Jordan won every one of those matchups except for the 1986 matchup vs the celtics. •Jordan in 88-89 averaged 32ppg, 8apg, 8rpg, 3spg off 54% shooting. LeBron has never even came close to this stat line. •in 87 thru 92, MJ averaged 5 straight seasons of atleast 51% FG shooting. LeBron has never done this. •the lowest FT% MJ ever shot in a season was 78%. Lebrons highest in a season ever is 78%. •MJ has a higher playoff FG% of 48.7% to Lebrons 48.3% •MJ has a higher playoff player efficiency rating of 28.6 to Lebrons 27.3. •MJ shoots a higher playoff 3 point percentage of 33.2% to Lebrons 32.9% •LeBron James has scored 30 points, 416 times in 1,117 games. Michael Jordan did it 562 times in 1,072 games. Jordan won 6 championships without losing a final in 1,072 games and LeBron in 1,117 games has lost 5 times and has only won 3 times (updated 2018) •MJ also shocked the league by being the first (and only) player to have 100 blocks and 200 steals in the same season, then turned around and did it again the next year. •Mj also has more career blocks (893) than Lebron James (853) despite playing in 22 LESS career games and being the smaller guy. Also, MJ averaged 1.6 blocks per game in the 1987-88 season which is absolutely bonkers for a 6’6″ shooting guard. Seriously this list can keep going. This isn’t even a debate. Mj is the GOAT. MIchael Jordan: •NBA record 5 playoffs series’ averaging atleast 40ppg •Only player in history to lead league in scoring and win DPOY •Highest scoring average, points per game, in any championship series: 41.0 vs. Phoenix Suns, 1993 NBA Finals •Only rookie in NBA history to lead his team in four statistics (1984-85) •Only player in NBA history to lead the league in scoring, win Most Valuable Player, and Defensive Player of the Year in the same season (1987-88) •Only player in history to average at least 30pts 6reb 5assists And 2 steals per game AND HE DID IT 7 TIMES. •Only player in NBA history to win Rookie of the Year (1984-85), Defensive Player of the Year (1987-88), NBA MVP (1987-88, 1990-91, 1991-92, 1995-96, 1997-98), All-Star MVP (1988, 1996, 1998), and Finals MVP (1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998) •Only player in NBA history to lead the league in scoring and win the NBA championship MORE THAN ONCE in the same season * He did this SIX TIMES!! (1990-91, 1991-92, 1992-93, 1995-96, 1996-97, 1997-98) •One of two players in NBA history to score 3,000 points in a season: 3,041 points scored in 82 games played (37.1 ppg) (1986-87) * Wilt Chamberlain is the only other player to achieve this. •MJ is also the only player in NBA history to score over 40 points at age 40, and he did it twice! •In 1988, MJ earned: Dunk Champ, All Star Game MVP, NBA Scoring Title, League MVP and Defensive Player of the Year. Michael in only ELEVEN complete seasons with the Bulls: -10 scoring titles, -Won Defensive Player of the Year, -9 times all defensive team, -9time All NBA, -5 league MVPs -6 finals MVPs All 11 seasons. Mj has done in 11 seasons things Lebron hasn’t done and won’t do in his whole career… Remind me again...who is the GOAT?

[@zachk5652]

@@keithzardersjr.5077 you said the same things multiple times to make the list look longer. If we pick and choose what’s important and what’s not like you did, we can make an argument for Russell, Bron, and Kareem all to be the goat also. But keep copy and pasting

[@gjmaringapasi]

@@keithzardersjr.5077 he did play against tall plumbers though, didn’t he🤷🏾‍♂️. There were probably 15-20 really good players in the whole league. FOH with that mess

[@keithzardersjr.5077]

@@gjmaringapasi right the greatest era of 7ft players 😂😂 do you even know basketball or just a Lebron fan 💀

[@keithzardersjr.5077]

@@zachk5652 there are points on there Jordan is the only person to accomplish, so stop it 😂

[@omygunny4978]

LBJ has the points with fewer shot attempts and more assists. Really think about that.

[@futurekillerful]

Jordan has more chips with fewer attempts...think about it

[@Blacksince89]

When you make the playoffs and get eliminated before you make it to the finals it means you failed

[@roshan2865]

@@futurekillerful 3 of them came with Pippen and Rodman which is seen as the best trio of all time. Pippen is almost universally known as the greatest number 2 of all time and a top 5 defender of all time while averaging around 15-20ppg. If LeBron had the same caliber of front office and supporting cast, he could easily have 5/6 rings by now. If he stayed in Cleveland, he would consistently have a terrible roster because they cannot draft or attract free agents as a front office

[@maytrixredpill3943]

Softer league.

[@Gwizz1337]

It's a softer league allowing for more scoring opportunities. Really, think about it...

[@josealfonsoterrero5924]

Jordan's all stars teammates: pippen 7 times. Lebron's all stars teammates: wade 13, bosch 11, allen10, Howard 8, AD 7, rondo 4, Irving 5, love 5 and there was shaq too

[@Mr.ThereItGo]

You forgot about Dennis Rodman. Ray Allen,Howard,shaq and were all washed.Rondo wasn’t in his prime. And you forget that today’s nba that’s what’s needed to win back in the 90 there was only 2 all stars on every team. Your literally only picking prime players for Jordan played with players that were previous all stars

[@josealfonsoterrero5924]

@@Mr.ThereItGo Dennis rodman played with the bulls in the second 3 peat. Grant first 3 years averaged 11 ppg and 7 rbds., pippen averaged first 3 years averaged 13 points, 5 rebounds and 3 assists, both shot under 70% from the free throw line. Those same 3 years, Jordan averaged, 35, 37, and 32 with 8rebounds and 8 assists the third year, what all stars are you talking about? Thesebplayers were under training from coach Phil jackson and drill sargent Michael Jordan. His numbers came down to 30 ppg, 6 rebounds and 5 assists so the new young players could play their role. Wade's numbers went down from 27 ppg to 21 ppg and 7assists to 4 assists per game after lebron came to miami, same with Bosch from 22 ppg to 18 and 10 rebounds to 8 , lebron's numbers didnt come down, they lost to Dallas probably because he wanted the MVP, and wade had better numbers, so he melted down.

[@josealfonsoterrero5924]

After those 3 years of training, they did the first 3 peat, the only all star in that team was Michael Jordan.

[@josealfonsoterrero5924]

Scottie pippen with 1 all star game before their first finals.

[@josealfonsoterrero5924]

@js59695 who stole his soul?

[@migodelfin3544]

Man this show improved tenfold now that Whitlock is gone. Love it fellas.

[@NotLikeUss]

Facts 💯 I tune in everyday now.

[@mly79]

The show is worse now

[@CoachTC23]

Now they just need to bounce Nick Wright and give all his air time to Jalen and Jacoby

[@NuffFacts868]

This show is pure comedy .. these guys are jokes

[@Ghanaba23]

Lebron win 7 trophies and 7 finals MVP Media: Yeah LBJ has more rings but Jordan is still goat because his shoes are selling better than Lebron

[@dadillonful]

Lol exactly

[@ALCblackout24HD]

Thankfully that will never happen.

[@justthisguy1948]

Lebron choked away to many finals to pass up Jordan

[@UnexpectedWonder]

Thank-you!

[@christianluu2994]

Media: Mj didnt concern himself with social issues because he was focused on basketball. Lebrons not a killer

[@33Dredd]

He has to 6 peat with one hand tied behind his back

[@ATDUB-ty9nc]

Funniest comment 🤣🤣🤣

[@J972M]

Skip after lebron 6 peats with one hand tied behind his back: I'm not impressed. Because Michael! Jeffery! Jordan!! would've done it with both hands tied and blindfolded!

[@georgebrady5369]

Why does Lebron care what these people think LMAO? Even if he wins 5 rings in a row these MJ freaks would say that MJ would have won 35 rings in this era. So... just enjoy your life, keep doing your thing, being a top 2 player of all time and don't listen to these people.

[@MrJ9191]

Watch "MJ vs Lebron: the BEST Goat comparison" by DANGERProduction. By far the best and most comprehensive comparison that accounts for different eras and positions MJ and LBJ played. You will find MJ is way ahead of LBJ overall, he beats him in personal accolades/statistics/winning/clutchness/eye tests.

[@THEYWANTMIAH]

@@MrJ9191 who cares

[@carlosowinodorkpo2641]

Miah’s Mind you cared enough to leave a comment lol😂😂

[@THEYWANTMIAH]

@@carlosowinodorkpo2641 what’s funny?

[@carlosowinodorkpo2641]

Miah’s Mind I’m high everything is funny

[@raymondwilliams2159]

In Miami he left once they lost. In Cleveland he left once they lost. Each time he folded once he lost. Jordan totally dominated and got bored after beating everybody for two separate 3 peats

[@penkima4923]

LeBron played through full contracts at MIA and CLE.

[@faleister]

The 3-peat argument by Broussard is the best one I´ve heard so far. We will see if Lebron can do it in a normal season with all the teams wanting to play (It was obvious the Clippers did not want to be in a bubble), with the Warriors returning, Nets fully loaded, Rockets with a big, Bucks with a 2nd star, and all those young teams (Mavs, Nuggets, Celtics, Pelicans, Heat, etc) being better.

[@Optic_texas]

The bubble saved LeBron he was getting tired in normal season

[@federalfreemoneylackofrese9937]

@@Optic_texas Really, he was runner up for mvp when they stopped playing. Also, lebron is not in his prime, a little time off means he gets older and rusty. Keep in mind the first place didn't get him court advantage. Competition was balanced.

[@lajuan3474]

Y'all always giving excuses on why you think LeBron isn't the GOAT.

[@Optic_texas]

@@lajuan3474 he isn't the goat lol

[@faleister]

@@lajuan3474 Real REASONS are Not excuses. 6 is More than 4; Zero loses in finals vs 6 loses with epic Meltdowns are FACTS, Not excuses

[@sciencejoker6694]

MJ needs one more to be eye to eye with Robert Horry

[@lajuan3474]

And 4 or 5 more to be eye to eye with Bill Russell.

[@augzsarmiento2460]

He ain’t 6x Finals MVP tho. 😂

[@normanlauron4102]

Another lame comment

[@samestuffdifferentday5712]

Big shot bob!!!! He has 7 rings lmao.... he was always on the right team . Houston San Antonio and lakers.

[@gavinoctavien1400]

@@augzsarmiento2460 and 10 scoring titles and etc

[@RJCE420]

How do you three peat and retire. Then come Back and three peat again. In a league that had Robinson, Olajuwon, Matumbo, Ewing, Barkley Hall of Fame Greats. Bruh as Spurs fan, a hard core Tim Duncan is my GOAT Spurs Fan. LeBron is okay but Jordan is the GOAT🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆

[@i0v0ist]

KD, curry , Giannis, harden,Westbrook, Kobe ,Tim ,Celtics big 3 plus more. Jordan never played against a team that were better than the bulls(when Jordan left the league the bulls was still the number one seed),he can not carry a team like lebron can and when he tried he got bounced in the first round...Lebron have to go up against better players and teams

[@i0v0ist]

@Brian Gore unlike Jordan, those teams without lebron can’t even reach the conference finals

[@i0v0ist]

@Brian Gore those HOF needed lebron to reach the finals....and lebron needed them to win the finals...Jordan needed the bulls to reach and to win the finals and with out the bulls Jordan is a first round exit

[@RJCE420]

@@i0v0ist and where were the bulls when Mike Retired?

[@i0v0ist]

@@RJCE420 when Jordan retired most of the original roster was gone...that bulls team was a totally different team when Jordan retire assuming your talking about his last retirement.... the first time he retired they were still the number one seed

[@JunKim1983]

Imagine if Lebron was faithful, never gave up and worked hard for 9 years to finally win a Championship for the Cavs then won a 3 peat. Mom gets murdered, goes to an entirely different SPORT, comes back and wins ANOTHER 3 peat. All 6 Finals MVP. One team, one jersey. Never allowed a game 7. No losses. Never froze. 10 scoring titles. 9 time defensives. Hit the highest peak in the history of the game. Vast majority of the world acknowledges him as the GOAT. Then a new kid comes along, loses 6 finals. Hops around team to team to barely win 4. Has played longer than the other guy so he stacks stats, but since he's relevant now, people mention him in the GOAT conversation. Yea... exactly. MJ is GOAT.

[@normanlauron4102]

Niiiiiice

[@willwill7736]

If he beats Kelvin durant and beat a fully loaded L A clippers and Steve curr team then I say he's pretty darn good

[@willwill7736]

Jordan at 6;6 was just to dang good scotty Horace would shut lbj down

[@dpok5302]

@@willwill7736 such stupidity

[@dpok5302]

Kawhi is a billion times the defender and go look at lebrons averages against him smh

[@phantomdancer3279]

@@willwill7736 won with a team that was a bad call away from going to finals and won 56 games without him. Also his second superstar teammate got paid 2 mil each year to build a super team.

[@jeevandalip1082]

Bruhhhh you really asking for LeBron to beat Kyrie, KD, Steph, Klay, Draymond, Kawhi all in the same postseason. Just ask for him to beat Harden and Westbrook in the First round too

[@cc-92]

2012-2013 Miami Heat team is all time great. 27 game win streak, won 66 games in the regular season and Lebron was at his physical apex.

[@justthisguy1948]

Yeah how come he choked

[@cc-92]

@@justthisguy1948 who choked?

[@jhacebuckley5204]

@@justthisguy1948 that was 2011 he said 2012 and 2013 which he came back huge

[@ryanguo9300]

@@justthisguy1948 huh?

[@malikalihudin6460]

I'm not hate LBJ, but we forgot Miami that time build the young All-star, I never saw ever since in 90s to 2007, cuz most of the time old veteran join One team like Kobie Malone Payton and shaq, Also who's the strongest Eastern team aside from Miami at that time? No wonder why he got lots of final appearance. The chocker raptors and Portland? It's not about how finals but how we check and balance. Derozan alone, and even bulls D-Rose and that time butler is in the bench. Also in play off against spurs and Dallas, LeBron contribute share in 3rd and second, and base on stats Wade and some time bosh is in rank 1 what I mean not all the time LBJ carry his team, it just there team is all-star lineups.

[@raymon415]

In the regular season MJ has more scoring titles 10 - 1, more mvps 5 - 4, more defensive players of the years 1 - 0 and more All Defensive teams 9 - 6.

[@milotheblackcat1993]

lebron got nba assist leader jordan no, more all stars , more all nba teams, more all nba first team.

[@jordanjackson5455]

Go look at the players Jordan guarded there was no Durant or Steph

[@chadwatkins7611]

@@jordanjackson5455 lol..... look at the hof out of the 80s and 90s... jordan guarded all of them.. he wanted to guard the best every night.. lebron doesnt even play def.. nor can he shoot,, nor can he hit free throws.. this is your goat.. and he losses on the biggest stage

[@Johenz]

@@chadwatkins7611 yeah like how he guarded magic in the finals? Ooo wait pippen did. Jordan is just media hype. Jordan can’t do anything wrong for yall

[@NwoFresh]

You comparing not even 12 full seasons to someone who played 17 seasons Stop and Jordan still has more than them Jordan wizard years was for ownership he was 38-40 Jordan at 35 beats Lebron at 35

[@THISISRISE]

Finally somebody with some sense

[@THISISRISE]

This idiot said tom Brady didn't play with the all time greatest teams. They lisle went undefeated one year

[@bloodcathedral]

@Dats a paddlin Facts. These producers are finally starting to read the comments from people like you and myself that've been making this argument for years. Look at those Knicks and Jazz teams with filled garbage. Bryon Russell in the famous final shot couldn't make an NBA roster today, along with half the players in the League in the 80s and 90s. In 93-94 the Bulls won 55 games and made the ECF without Jordan because #1 the Bulls were stacked (Ho Grant is a HOFer, 120 wins shares vs Rodman 90) and the NBA was not as competitive. LeBron leaves a team and they're straight to the lottery because LeBron is that great and the League is much much more competitive/talented. We just gotta keep explaining it to people. Once LeBron hits 38,000 10,000 10,000 and 5 or 6 rings, they'll start getting it.

[@dta57]

So are u implying guys like dream Shaq Ewing would have a hard time but nikola jokic is good money ?

[@bloodcathedral]

Chris Alexandre Shaq and Ewing are the exceptions. Olajuwon and Robinson are the exceptions. But even their HOF talents would be marginalized in this Analytics, 3-pointer Era. And yes Jokic can shoot as well as post-up so yeah he’d give those HOFers fits cuz they’d have to step out on the perimeter, something they never did. Look what Christian Laettner did to Shaq in college. Shaq had to chase Laettner around the court and got completely dominated. That’s what guarding the perimeter does to Big’s. Also I love how nobody can ever counter the 55 games + ECF without MJ😂They just gloss over it by naming the 4 HOF Centers out of 100 that played during that time.

[@flashh6919]

Nobody is 3 peating in today’s game too much competition. These guys are just playing with lebron now

[@Bigl1230x]

True not only that but because of player movement, teams are created to beat other teams. Unlike back then where everyone has to be "loyal" and just keep losing every year.

[@fidelsyrianoudis]

That’s funny because the warriors were 2 injuries technically one injury away from 3peating and they didn’t even have a top 3 player of all time lol

[@laipenny8398]

@Dats a paddlin Skip said Lebron won this champ is the easiest path. How about Kobe and Shaq Lakers won Nets and 76ers? How about Kobe won the Howard's Magic and Spurs won over young LBJ Cavs?? Those also consider the easiest path to win Champ in my eyes.

[@laipenny8398]

@@fidelsyrianoudis Because everyone knew warriors was overpowered than the rest of teams which had 4 All-stars level players in the same team.

[@b1bbscraz3y]

@Dats a paddlin LeBron only played 2 teams that weren't ridiculous that reached more than 1 finals. the Spurs made 2 in a row. then the Warriors without KD made 2 in finals. but then KD made the Warriors unbeatable so we can't hold that against LeBron really

[@sabempofu2754]

Jordan was winning scoring titles while DPOYs...What cherrypicking stats?

[@gabrielsalazzar_]

bruh, he won one, second, 2013 was bron's dpoy, third, bron is mj and pippen combined in roles and u just gotta stop the non.sense

[@archerrunner]

Lol you crazy. Two different players different eras different games. Guys sit out now, make their own teams. Bron fabricated his own teams . Last year he couldn’t make it anywhere. If they would have had a full season and traveling they would have been knocked out of playoffs due to injuries. If mike played today fabricating his teams he would have won more titles the LBJ

[@mauricemoore3193]

Hakeem was the only who won MVP, DPOY and a Title in the same year. No one ever mentions that

[@seriousaleks8752]

MJ has 6, Kobe 5, Lebron 4... We should all be okay with that

[@seriousaleks8752]

Curry has 3, KD has 2, Dirk has 1

[@CatoProduction]

Its rings with finals mvps not just rings

[@breddf347]

Robert Horry has 7...

[@MrJ9191]

Watch "MJ vs Lebron: the BEST Goat comparison" by DANGERProduction. By far the best and most comprehensive comparison that accounts for different eras and positions MJ and LBJ played. You will find MJ is way ahead of LBJ overall, he beats him in personal accolades/statistics/winning/clutchness/eye tests.

[@anastasiahanoba8118]

Lebron James pls don't listen to those talk abt Michael Jordan and goat stuff. You can never pls certain people no matter what u do, even uf u give them 10 championship rings. Just be that king Lebron James, and a lovely, caring father to ur kids, wife and mother. We love u and be blessed and favored forever Amen

[@fixandmore2511]

I totally I agree, They are readjusting the criteria or moving the goal post whenever Bron got an unbelievable feat. Bron is not going to win whatever he does. But they can't change what Bron has achieved. These analysts in the big platform love to talk about it because it is where the money is. Bron is loved and hated at the same time so they'll have more views whenever they utter his name and Jordan. Jordan the hero and Bron the villain. Bron is a good man. Overachieved already. Just do your thing Bron. We are here for you.

[@meganlowery9149]

@@fixandmore2511 also he doesn’t need to worry in 20 years when it’s all said and done he’ll be recognized as the goat

[@fixandmore2511]

@Wayne SAll I know is both of them have superior ego. The difference is, one is glorified the other is maligned.

[@superdopehiphop]

TechOne they move goalposts on LeBron more then any all time great athlete and it’s not even close. No one thought LeBron would win vs 73-9 warriors or after going to lakers yet when he overcomes the odds and does it they make excuses and try to discredit it like he didn’t overcome incredible odds and did something historic (just had best year ever by year17 player and it’s not close)

[@fixandmore2511]

@@superdopehiphop Yes, that's what they do. And they glorified and accepted Jordan early exit in the first round.

[@jaykrisreyes2396]

His Airness had his stats in lesser years. There's really no contest.

[@ladlad3179]

Yet lebron passed jordan in total points on less shot attempts. If lebron shot the ball nearly as much as jordan he would be far higher 🤷🏾‍♂️. Also longevity should help lebrons case not diminish it

[@paradoxicalgeneral551]

@@ladlad3179 if.... He should have shot it 'if he could! Greatness is measured on what is done and not on what ifs

[@cruztheworld8326]

@@paradoxicalgeneral551 what is done is LeBron has scored far more points than Jordan. His point is that it didn't take LeBron as many shot attempts to score as many points as Jordan.

[@paradoxicalgeneral551]

@@cruztheworld8326 Your assertion is incorrect but carry on if it makes you feel better!🤷‍♂️

[@cruztheworld8326]

@@paradoxicalgeneral551 I wrote two sentences and they are both facts so I'm not sure what assertion you are claiming is incorrect.

[@halfshot253]

The better question is, how many rings would bron have if he had stayed with Cavs. Chips follow bron? Bron follows other superstars and recruit them in their prime 😄

[@aguardado8120]

💯

[@brandonweston9089]

That's why he is the king he make chess moves

[@halfshot253]

@@brandonweston9089 thats lame 😭

[@brandonweston9089]

Call it what you want🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️ what eva it is it got us calling him one of the greatest of all time

[@prorhythmprep2058]

The 12-13 Miami Heat went 66-16, and won 27 games in a row.... that’s an all time great team

[@sebastianabsolution655]

that 11-12 heat team got mopped up by dirk nowitzki an scrubbs.😜😜😜

[@ryanshorter6422]

When was 66-16 better than 72-10?

[@ryanshorter6422]

If the heat won 40 in a row that record isn't better than 72-10

[@prorhythmprep2058]

@@ryanshorter6422 never said it was. In the video at some point (cause it’s been over a year lol) they said he needs to play or lead an all time great team. I simply pointed out one.

[@prorhythmprep2058]

@@ryanshorter6422 also, teams don’t win like that anymore. The 66 games was remarkable because your talking post expansion drafts. That’s also why what the warriors did was so amazing. But the point is, he has an arguement

[@yarahadayar926]

Jordan didn't have an AD on his team in those Wizards years.

[@ATDUB-ty9nc]

Bc nobody wanted to play with him

[@yunadylan2867]

Hes 40 btw at that time, @ 35 jordans 98 bulls

[@ash1234073]

He had a pippen for 8 years 🤣🤣🤣

[@conduitofthegospeldarrellb9154]

This is one of the dumbest conversations in sports analyst history. Jordan is still better... not close

[@thefatboy__goneslim7376]

Its really dumb, and really annoying already, just shows how some medias are obviously bias, shannon sharpe is an example.

[@Fakename70]

Actually, it's "one of the dumbest conversations in sports analyst history" primarily because the Jordan fanboys take it SO seriously as to believe the book is closed and the decision has already been made on who the answer to the question is. As if it can even be answered at all. Take one look at SAS when anyone dares to give an answer other than Jordan. The majority of you Jordan fanboys are just like that. It's embarrassing.

[@mr.nimbus537]

truth

[@conduitofthegospeldarrellb9154]

@@Fakename70 it’s NEVER closed. Or else Jordan would never be GOAT. But... we don’t have to FORCE goats. LBJ isn’t there yet. And may never be and that’s ok. Top 10 or 5

[@Fakename70]

@@conduitofthegospeldarrellb9154 Confusing comment there, bud. But, it seems you kinda did exactly what I ranted against. Anyone with a working brain should be able to realise there is no such thing as the G.O.A.T. It's ridiculous. Especially when you have all-time greats from different eras whose teams never played against each other. Again, try explaining that basic logic to the Jordan fanboys, who typically list Jordan's personal 6-0 Finals record and 6 Finals MVP's as the defining factoid separating him from EVERYONE else who has ever played the game. Talk about arrogant and delusional! It's definitely an impressive personal resume, but, his isn't the only one. And, by no means is it the MOST impressive of them all.

[@JJermane]

Wiley's movements while Broussard was talking, hilarious!!!😂😂😂

[@zacharyanam9230]

"lebron has more points than jordan". duh cuz he's played more seasons.

[@getlivero]

So why doesn’t kobe have more points? He played 20 yrs

[@messsi5046]

@@getlivero nd it's not ez to be performing in this high level late in his career

[@dushawnhayes1196]

Jordan couldn't make it to 15 seasons

[@CatoProduction]

Lebron has less shot attempts while having more assists and rebounds

[@JaeQNg]

More seasons, but Lesss finals rings 🤣🤣

[@maurice5112]

This is the most quality sports show out there.

[@rickeybishop6669]

Agree

[@yeathatsGOTTI]

If Skip didn’t spend 93% of his takes hating on Bron & contradicting himself about the Cowboys... Him & Uncle ShayShay show would be the best... Lol

[@raptorskawhiisgoated807]

@@yeathatsGOTTI Yeah skip be repeating his self I don't think Lebron's the GOAT but you gotta be in denial if you say he ain't at less #2 all time after this chip and finals mvp

[@b1bbscraz3y]

first things first is pretty good. Max might talk too long and Stephen A can be crazy but it's pretty good. plus you get live updates when Stephen A gets texts from sports folks

[@amedeejean-baptiste7121]

First thing's first, Undisputed, First take!!!

[@Indifference2000]

I actually think AD won't even last long enough for a repeat let alone 3peat. AD fragile af!! I thought he wasn't even gonna make it to thru this finals

[@colinsushiboy745]

Then Bron will try to jump to another team to join another star and do this all over again. If AD body doesn't hold up

[@Indifference2000]

@@colinsushiboy745 nah he'll recruit more players. Where else would he go at this age??

[@xKingKB7x]

@@Indifference2000 Lebron gonna recruit Lebron to come play with him. Lol imagine that

[@Indifference2000]

@@xKingKB7x then that'll be unstoppable

[@christiantorres4166]

ya smoking

[@gatz900]

Marcellus punching himself after CB's take is gold

[@TheTom41149]

Kobe's won three in a row and he's got 5 rings so let's start with Kobe before we even think about Lebron.

[@duquanschumacher1748]

We don’t have that convo because Kobe has 5 rings and 2 finals mvps to Lebrons 4 fmvps. Lebron has been the best player on his team every finals he’s won(almost all he’s been in besides 07 and 11) Shaq won all the finals mvps when him and Kobe played together. Now if we talking most skilled players of all time, I’m putting Kobe up there forsure

[@Kdsmoovedab]

Lebron is better than Kobe.

[@alisterelite9518]

10 finals but lose most of them that’s the problem with this era we glorify losers !!!!

[@benlemke8055]

It’s a team accomplishment lol it’s not 1 v 1 out there

[@matsong5134]

Winning all your rings with one team is far more impressive then winning with multiple teams because it shows that you were part of a dynasty. And in MJ case it can be agued that he created that dynasty because he was there from the beginning and he was the MVP for every championship the Bulls won.

[@gideon7932]

I hate the total points, assist, rebounds argument because how many more season lebron played compared to Jordan it should be expected for a guy who played more seasons who have the better total stats.

[@Leftyballer]

So durability doesnt matter when it comes to being the GOAT? also jordan fans bring up his success in college ball but lebron cant use the years he gained by going straight from high school? Lmaoo

[@Leftyballer]

Btw lebron passes mj in playoff points in MORE games BUT in LESS SHOTS so you tell me what's more important. Theres always context

[@gideon7932]

@@Leftyballer if you are comparing players on total stats the guy who played more seasons should have better stats. That’s just a fact. I personally don’t care what they did before the nba. I personally care about what they did in the nba, what they accomplish in that amount of time they played, what impact did they leave with

[@Leftyballer]

@@gideon7932 more games less shots🤙 enjoy ur narrative

[@gideon7932]

@@Leftyballer not really “less shots” he’s not really shooting the ball he’s laying up the ball or dunking the ball.

[@certifiedchaos4643]

The 2012-2013 heat was special 27 game win streak. They was rolling

[@MistahJay7]

Lol Marcellas speaks facts about how the perimeter game was weaker back in the 90s and CB goes and talks about the paint. hahahaha nice dodging there

[@b1bbscraz3y]

@Dats a paddlin but it's not like Jordan and Pippen were playing the perimeter like today with the 3's

[@b1bbscraz3y]

@Dats a paddlin I wasn't disagreeing with you bud. just playing devil's advocate. what I meant was that it's not like MJ and Pippen were shooting 3's themselves to say "look everybody else wasn't shooting 3's" well they weren't either. the perimeter game was weak both for and against them

[@justin28715]

@Dats a paddlin Not taking anything away from MJ and Pippen, but you 100% correct. They can and would be elite in any era. They were arguably the best on ball defenders in NBA history. With that said they played in a big man era and they were only a handful of elite perimeter players thru the mud 80s-mid 90s. Most games they were locking down perimeter players that wouldn't even be in the league in today's game and there wasn't any hand checking rules lol. Combine the hand check and the lack of talent on the perimeter. Along with how much more athletic and talented MJ, Pippen, and Ron harper were. That equates to arguably the best defense in league history. Again MJ and Pippen, Harper could play great in any era but their defense would be more like what Kawhi can do defensively. Where they could be considered 1st team all defense. But with the rules and athleticism of today's game, their defense would be scored on frequently

[@Roseclan24]

In the 80s and 90s, going to the hole repeatedly was a death wish in waiting. It was a much grittier game. Go to the hole with authority and a few bows would be up higher next time from players bigger than LeBron. Bron never had to deal with hand checking, clutch and grab D, no defensive 3 seconds. All of that removed in order to increase offensive output and make the 3 more attractive. Shooting 3s was not a focus on offense back then like that

[@younggggggg]

@@Roseclan24 and Jordan never had to go up against advanced zone defenses that build walls against offensive players before they even touch the ball. Zone defense > man to man “physical” defense in the 90s

[@darylboyd14]

Yes more points, rebounds and assists, but 4 more years playing so id hope he has more

[@xtmac13x]

Longevity is a plus never a minus for a player. Isn’t being good for so long a great thing? Like Tom Brady to this day is still great, tiger woods being dominant for so long, Kareem being dominant for so long. There is a reason stats are recorded and lebron is breaking almost all the records and is likely to hold top 5 in all major categories for all time stats

[@DeeMan17]

@@xtmac13x of course it’s a plus, but it’s a weak argument to say he has him covered in regular season just cause he has more in total. Averages conveniently left out.

[@xtmac13x]

Ben Shaw I agree with avg but how is it a weak argument for the longevity part? That’s just cherry picking. What’s the use of avg if other stats don’t count? Can’t have it both ways. It is a fact at this point lebron is at the top of many all time records for major categories. Btw he also passed him in playoff and finals statistics again due to longevity. So I say again being good for so long is a plus not a Knock.

[@DeeMan17]

@@xtmac13x I don’t think you understand what cherry picking is. Broussard rightly pulled him up on saying he has him covered in the regular season. No he doesn’t, he just has more of everything cause he’s played more. Duh.

[@ugawinner7731]

Scored more points with fewer shorts taken when he surpassed MJ

[@Rambo-wc1rb]

2007: Played the Spurs with 3 HOFer’s 2011: Choked 2012: Won 2013- Won 2014: Wade & the Heat completely broke down Lost to 4 HOFers & LeBron still Averaged 29 11 & 6 on 56% shooting 2015: faced 3 HOFers Kyrie & Love both hurt 2016: Won 2017:Lost to 4 HOFer’s (the Warriors) 2018: Scored 51 in the finals lost to 4 Hall Of Famers 2019: Injured (The World anoints Kawhi the best player in the world, even tho the Warriors weren’t at full strength) 2020: Wins title No excuse for 2011 but since then if you blame any finals loss on LeBron your clearly just hating at this point just respect & appreciate GREATNESS

[@TRILLTALKTV]

just saying in the east he had 2 other all stars on his team so how hard was it to make the finals?? and saying he lost to hofers like he didnt have any on his team. just this year he had 4 on his team

[@Ninjachickenfingers]

When CB and Acho are going at it and Wiley is on the side just miming 😂😂

[@chosenelite762]

Moving the goalposts again like lebron predicted now he has to three peat in LA 🙄

[@TheSlithice]

Somehow LeBron needs to win 6 Titles while going to the finals an additional 6 times to "tie" MJ. At this point they are just hating and will never concede to LeBron.

[@jlnxn5374]

Maybe the goalpost was always there but lebron wanted to move it closer?

[@chosenelite762]

@@jlnxn5374 nah, unlikely

[@jlnxn5374]

@@chosenelite762 to you

[@chosenelite762]

@@jlnxn5374 what

[@rolepaga8294]

He got 9 of 10 Finals. Great. But how did he get those? By going to different teams that were created for him to win. He didn't carry a single team to greatness status unlike MJ, Magic, Kobe, Bird, Dr. J., and do not forget Bill Russel. Unlike those guys, LBJ had to hop from one team to another. Still, he is one, one of the greats. He just can't be GOAT. Peace!

[@saminurkarim8012]

he also had very weak competition to get there and winning the finals> making the finals and Jordan is also statistically better too idk why this guy is comparing total stats when lebron played longer he should be using averages

[@cashmerej9665]

So, now LeBron has to 3-pete in the most competitive era in NBA history to be Goat? These people are Stupid! Jordan went through the 90's facing teams with less talent than his. While he had 4 HoFers in the second 3-pete, others had 1,2 or none. So in all actuality, he was made to win the last three with no competition in sight, but that makes him the best? I thought when you are going for the title there is supposed to be some level of competitiveness?

[@cashmerej9665]

Carry a team? Carrying a team does not consist of the team having HoFers, DPoYs and Rebound Champs on it then right? LeBron to this day is the only Player in NBA History to lead a team with none of that to The FInals. What? What? Jordan never made the Playoffs by himself. Don't count being FOISTED IN, they would never have done that for LeBron.

[@dericalvarez2744]

MJ didn't have to slay the monster because HE WAS THE MONSTER

[@Amiittk]

Has to be the best debate i have watched in recent times

[@newagerise4638]

6:47 Chris Broussard ok buddy if Lebron wins next year.Then how hard is back to back championship with 2 different teams in any sport😡😡

[@mikaice6046]

Not as hard as you think if you recruit right

[@newagerise4638]

@@mikaice6046 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣We know u a Lebron hater even Jordan hasn't done that accomplishment.When the likes of Bill Russell,Kareem and Magic say Lebron is great.Then the lesser people really look ignorant saying otherwise.

[@mikaice6046]

@@newagerise4638 not at all my friend you are just a fanboy. I have Lebron second all time now why would a hater say that? I just dont think hes the goat

[@newagerise4638]

@@mikaice6046 Bill won 11 rings in 13 yrs that makes a Jordan 3peat not so special honestly.The truth is Jordan had better stats not more rings.And that means someone new breaking records with less than 6 rings.Can be considered better because of elite stats.

[@sadvntg]

lmao not when you keep recruiting other top 10 players

[@desmondjohnson4686]

Jordan wizard years really the man was the GM of the team and came back to play at 39-40 come on

[@dylanrademacher4350]

you say that but people are gonna bring up lebron not winning a championship when he is 39 and 40 yet with Jordan half of his career doesn't count they only look at 6 years of his career but with bron they try to diminish every little part of it, when Jordan fans can only talk about 6 years because he did nothing outside of it

[@desmondjohnson4686]

@@dylanrademacher4350 who going to look at that jordan was a owner and a gm lebron is still playing it's not the same. If Jordan never retired for the 2nd time and went to the wizards ok cool

[@mikewilk3104]

Michael Jordan is a Mount Olympus athlete and there is literally nothing Lebron could ever do to be eye to eye with Jordan regular season and post season

[@ntobekomtimkulu239]

People go on as if MJ 3-peated with the same team. Y'all forget. Also, a 3-peat has a lot to do with a healthy roster. I think we all know the Warriors would've accomplished their own 3-peat had they not fallen victim to injuries. So in that sense, Jordan was fortunate that his 3-peat teams were relatively healthy enough to get through the finals and win. It's still incredibly difficult to do. Doing it twice was unprecedented, until MJ did it.

[@leetraviusmckay2919]

"the real question is who is the greatest team of all time" - Michael Jordan

[@Kingleo_23912]

Great show !!! Really starting to like the 2 hosts and bringing in real NBA analyst to speak straight facts. NO TROLLING like *cough cough skip bay less. I now like speak for yourself better than undisputed

[@MusicLuv80]

Facts? Not too sure. They put total stats and says LeBron had better regular season? That wasn’t right at all.

[@jahugo6228]

So now playing for all time great team is a requirement? If LBJ does that then "he had great teammates"

[@renewd]

That's a quality debate, complete with legitimate arguments an respect.

[@rogermartinez5429]

Omfg Jordan was 39, 40 years old with the wizards, let's wait to see how lebron looks when he reaches that age, i think he will do good cuz of the way he takes care of hes body

[@TheKaoticivory]

He was 36 don’t lie to urself

[@julezvern]

@@TheKaoticivory he was 38-39

[@Astralmoonmen]

Jordan wasn’t on PEDs either

[@mannyfarfan9984]

@@Astralmoonmen Jordan was for sure on ped's don't be a blind fanboy.

[@andrejesse7917]

Cb that’s a complete joke I’m so disappointed in you literally finding any reason to discredit LeBron kmt

[@thedudeunchained7583]

am I the only one who sees that they only compare totals, not the averages ? Clear to me that these dudes are pretty bad at math. And I hate these discussions because they force you to nitpick great players but let´s be real, saying that LeBron was better than MJ during the regular season is a joke. If LeBron was better during the regular season, how come he has never won Defensive Player of the year ? MJ did. How come LeBron has 5 all NBA first Team selections compared to the 9 MJ has. And Lebron played way more seasons so more opportunities to accomplish this but he rest on D. Still MJ has 10 scoring titles (7 of them consecutive and we know it would have been more because after he unretired he won the other 3) and LeBron (who rests on D a lot) has only one scoring title. So you have one guy who played longer but has only one scoring title, no Defensive Player Title and only 5 First team Defensive Selections but you call him better, than the guy who has in FEWER seasons won 10 scoring titles, 9 All defensive first team selections, a defensive player of the year title (BTW the only player in history to win scoring title, MVP, Defensive player in one season) and your conclusion is: LeBron is better ? Better in what ? By arguing totals, Karl Malone is better than MJ simply due to more years and so is Jabbar. You can only argue totals if the players you want to compare played the same amount of games PERIOD ! And I guess I don´t have to start on why Players that played these past 10 years have way higher scoring, rebounding and assist...the average NBA team ATTEMPTS over 20 (!!!) more 3pointers per game now than during Jordan´s time. During MJ´s last championship season, the average NBA team attempted (not made) 12.7 3pointers, in this season 2020 the average NBA team attempts 34 3pointers ! It´s simple math...more shots= more rebounds=more assists. also a result of no hand checking from free throw line to frew throw line. People in the 90s were good shooters, too. but you were allowed to control them with your hand on the hip, hence fewer threes back then. Steve Kerr still has the highes average in history and there are several 90s players in the top 10, so no people don´t shoot better, they are allowed to shoot more with less defense. But again...you don´t need to put numbers in perspective (you should) but it is NOT EVEN NEEDED to make a case for MJ as GOAT. I think Kareem has a better case than LeBron, he has more titles and won in HS and college. Also Kobe has a better case, as he won 5 titles and more scoring titles and defensive team selections. the game is played on both ends. Jordan as a guard (!) averaged 0.9 blocks per game compared to LeBron´s 0.8 who is a forward and 3 inches taller. Jordan also averaged 2.5 steals per game to LeBron´1.6 per game. How is LeBron better ? Basketball is played on BOTH ends and on D LeBron is just average while MJ was the best defensive SG his entire career. Fun Fact: MJ at age 40 (!!!) as a Wizard with bad knees, averaged more Steals per game than LeBron over his past 5 years. That is how much MJ hustled on D. Matter of fact, a 40 year old MJ on the Wizards also averaged the SAME number of blocks per game as LeBron did this season.

[@lonnieknight9187]

Discredit he speaking the truth

[@bissau190]

Chris Broussard is the reason why people have respect for journalists.

[@BatmanvsJesus]

I like that Wizard’s argument by Wiley

[@banntaylor7323]

I love how the media always tries to use the hand check in the favor of MJ, when the talk is about him offensively they all will say, Oh but they used to hand check MJ, but when they talk about MJ being a “better defender” than LeBron, nobody says that LeBron can’t hand check now lol. LeBron shut down guards like prime DRose, Steph, Murray etc when it mattered and he couldn’t even touch them and imagine what we would do to people if he could actually hand check. LeBron can guard from 1 to 5 and MJ was too little to guard Magic Johnson, so they switched Pippen on him.

[@joelkaben]

Don't use LeBron's size over MJ as an argument. There are guys who are bigger than LeBron, doesn't make them better... than him, come on now, you are better than that.

[@banntaylor7323]

@@joelkaben Size matters in the NBA and MJ couldn’t guard Magic, not because he couldn’t stay in front of him, but because he was too little for Magic. You can like it, you can hate it, but it’s the truth.

[@hny2396]

@@banntaylor7323 you do realize in the 91 Finals after Pippen guarded Magic in game 2, MJ went back to guarding magic the rest of the series as his primary defender. Lol. Y’all still using that fake Pippen narrative because if you notice al the highlights of Pippen guarding magic is always game 2 highlights. 🤔

[@DevRCast]

@@hny2396 They don’t know NBA History just causals

[@yanai2836]

trust me bro. the 90s nba basketball was like garbage when you compare it to modern basketball. If the MJ guys despise Bill Russell's 11 rings, they should swallow MJ's 6.

[@modmav5594]

As far as 3peats go, Phil Jackson and the Triangle Offense with A high scoring 2 Guard are the common factor.

[@BaXiStA]

But, Jordan was the prototype or the test subject of that Triangle offense. It's not like Jackson won before he coached Jordan so it's fair to say that Jackson benefitted as much as Jordan did whilst Kobe MORE THAN benefitted from their partnership with Jackson.

[@modmav5594]

@@BaXiStA Fair enough. I'm pointing out those common factors because the title and Analysts are now saying that Lebron Needs to 3 peat. 1. Phil was the only Coach to do so multiple times 2. He used the triangle offense with MJ & Kobe (High scoring 2 Guards). Lebron is a Pass 1st Forward 3 (Small Forward) that came straight out highschool, grew up without his bio father and has Never had a HOF coach. There is no need to compare when these are different players, with different Skills positions and roles. Just enjoy the person for what he is. A great player and multi Champion.

[@BaXiStA]

@@modmav5594 call me bias but really Broussard is the GOAT of analysts and he makes a great point. Though Jackson was the common denominator of those 3 peats he never actually was able to replicate it after Shaq left, even the Gasol era. What's my point? Players do matter. As with Broussard, he makes an excellent point, actually when we talk about GOATs we cherry pick since the difference between 2 GOAT candidates should be by a hair if one has to come on top. Analysts are paid to do it. I do think Broussard makes legitimate arguments to backup his claims.

[@modmav5594]

@@BaXiStA Chris is one of the most logical analysts, Phil Has Gone to Several Finals After the Lakers had there 1st 3 peat with Phil they lost there 4th opportunity to the Pistons in 04. Also some people forget Phil with Gasol and Kobe had the opportunity to 3peat but only ended up winning 2/3. Phil Has 11 rings total (6 with MJ & 5 with Kobe) and 2 as a player. MJ without Phil (0 rings) (Kobe without Phil 0 rings & 0 finals appearances). No one else has come close. MJ is MJ, Kobe is Similar. Lebron shouldn't be compared to Jordan. It's a silly argument it's unfair and they don't even play the same position.

[@BaXiStA]

@@modmav5594 fair argument mate!

[@ba_2three458]

He'll never be "eye to eye" with MJ because MJ built his championships. He didn't bounce to 3 different cities and beg other all-stars to play with him to win.

[@ryanscott4866]

Exactly

[@namchau7712]

Lebron ain't just building teams like a workhorse , he was invading like a King , now that's fact 🤓

[@namchau7712]

Talk about bouncing . Fill in the blank : " ...... was bouncing outta retirement to join The Wizards for God knows what (draft Kwame Brown)"

[@RoninBgk]

Facts

[@ash1234073]

Jordan got nothing done without rodman pippen phil jackson🤣🤣🤣

[@bloodcathedral]

Haha finally these guys' producers are reading my arguments lol

[@crush1221]

I'm dismissing the three peat on the basis that Jordan never won Finals MVP with three different teams. See how that works?

[@atlasx916]

Look at Jordan’s first 7 years and tell me who’s the goat... oh yeah if he’s the goat oh yeah what happened in Washington...?

[@AD-eq4kn]

@@atlasx916 the wizards are pretty much the Cavaliers without Lebron. Jordan got them in the playoffs at 40 years old

[@atlasx916]

@@AD-eq4kn they never made it to a playoffs check your information. I watched it 37-45 both years talk to somebody that don’t know any better

[@atlasx916]

@@AD-eq4kn Caron Butler and antwan Jamison was on those teams they were not the Cavs

[@keithzardersjr.5077]

With respect to LeBron HERE IT IS: Jordan vs James: Updated after LeBron’s 14th season. Michael Jordan has: •3 more rings •3 more final mvps •1 more DPOY •1 more season MVP •9 more scoring titles •3 more steals leader •3 more all defensive team selections •4000 more points / bron moved past him in playoff points, but it took him longer. •800 more steals •Beat 20 50+ win teams in the playoffs (Lebron only defeated 10) •Jordan never averaged less than 40% Field Goal in the finals Lebron did it twice •6/6 (never allowed a game 7) •Lebron had much more offensive help, example: Jordan never had a teammate average more than 22 points in the finals.. In fact, Mj is Only player in NBA history to lead a team to the championship with only one teammate averaging double figures in scoring * In the Bulls’ 1997 playoff run, Scottie Pippen averaged 19 points per game on 42% shooting. All other teammates of Jordan averaged under 8 points per game Kyrie averaged over 28 and DWade averaged more than 26 •MJ never ever had a finals meltdown like Lebron in 2011 against the Mavs •MJ had more points in the playoffs in less games. MJ accomplished all of this in 13 seasons Lebron after his 14th season, is still chasing the “ghost” (GOAT) that played in Chicago” •Michael Jordan in the playoffs has put up atleast 40ppg, 5rpg, 5apg in 6 different playoff series. Along with an average of about 55% shooting, 3spg and 2bpg. (86 vs bos, 89 vs cavs, 90 vs philly, 92 vs Miami, 93 vs Phoenix, 88 vs cavs) Jordan won every one of those matchups except for the 1986 matchup vs the celtics. •Jordan in 88-89 averaged 32ppg, 8apg, 8rpg, 3spg off 54% shooting. LeBron has never even came close to this stat line. •in 87 thru 92, MJ averaged 5 straight seasons of atleast 51% FG shooting. LeBron has never done this. •the lowest FT% MJ ever shot in a season was 78%. Lebrons highest in a season ever is 78%. •MJ has a higher playoff FG% of 48.7% to Lebrons 48.3% •MJ has a higher playoff player efficiency rating of 28.6 to Lebrons 27.3. •MJ shoots a higher playoff 3 point percentage of 33.2% to Lebrons 32.9% •LeBron James has scored 30 points, 416 times in 1,117 games. Michael Jordan did it 562 times in 1,072 games. Jordan won 6 championships without losing a final in 1,072 games and LeBron in 1,117 games has lost 5 times and has only won 3 times (updated 2018) •MJ also shocked the league by being the first (and only) player to have 100 blocks and 200 steals in the same season, then turned around and did it again the next year. •Mj also has more career blocks (893) than Lebron James (853) despite playing in 22 LESS career games and being the smaller guy. Also, MJ averaged 1.6 blocks per game in the 1987-88 season which is absolutely bonkers for a 6’6″ shooting guard. Seriously this list can keep going. This isn’t even a debate. Mj is the GOAT. MIchael Jordan: •NBA record 5 playoffs series’ averaging atleast 40ppg •Only player in history to lead league in scoring and win DPOY •Highest scoring average, points per game, in any championship series: 41.0 vs. Phoenix Suns, 1993 NBA Finals •Only rookie in NBA history to lead his team in four statistics (1984-85) •Only player in NBA history to lead the league in scoring, win Most Valuable Player, and Defensive Player of the Year in the same season (1987-88) •Only player in history to average at least 30pts 6reb 5assists And 2 steals per game AND HE DID IT 7 TIMES. •Only player in NBA history to win Rookie of the Year (1984-85), Defensive Player of the Year (1987-88), NBA MVP (1987-88, 1990-91, 1991-92, 1995-96, 1997-98), All-Star MVP (1988, 1996, 1998), and Finals MVP (1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998) •Only player in NBA history to lead the league in scoring and win the NBA championship MORE THAN ONCE in the same season * He did this SIX TIMES!! (1990-91, 1991-92, 1992-93, 1995-96, 1996-97, 1997-98) •One of two players in NBA history to score 3,000 points in a season: 3,041 points scored in 82 games played (37.1 ppg) (1986-87) * Wilt Chamberlain is the only other player to achieve this. •MJ is also the only player in NBA history to score over 40 points at age 40, and he did it twice! •In 1988, MJ earned: Dunk Champ, All Star Game MVP, NBA Scoring Title, League MVP and Defensive Player of the Year. Michael in only ELEVEN complete seasons with the Bulls: -10 scoring titles, -Won Defensive Player of the Year, -9 times all defensive team, -9time All NBA, -5 league MVPs -6 finals MVPs All 11 seasons. Mj has done in 11 seasons things Lebron hasn’t done and won’t do in his whole career… Remind me again...who is the GOAT?

[@town_biznessman380]

Facts! Puttin' on ya J's in da a.m. is levelin' up

[@LeonGSNP]

Bruh how can man say eye to eye win less chips smh the ship has sailed. In my mind if this is the argument ITs Lebron against Kobe for 2nd. Even at 6 im taking Kobe cos James basically made his teams. You have to do more to surpass. 2 3 peats... come on! Kobe got that too

[@tinyiko7]

The Miami heat 12-13 are were all time great team. 66 wins and 27 game win streak. Bron had a stretch in that season where he had crazy efficiency

[@chadwatkins7611]

efficiency I dare you to compare MJ

[@MandyZor-El]

That’s cuz he’s played way more seasons than MJ 🙄. MJ was sooooo much better in the regular seasons also.

[@MandyZor-El]

@Timothonics yeah MJ only played 11 full seasons with the Bulls & 2 with the Wizards so a total of 13.

[@lajuan3474]

Chris is moving the goal post!

[@todaytmrrw5199]

Nah. It's just showcases the greatness

[@Robrr89]

No he didn’t. You’re baiting

[@FenixMuneGaming]

That’s all he do is move it.

[@gordothekid]

I legit thought I was the only person that thought Danny Greene run 🏃‍♂️ without extending his legs all the way, and his arms all tucked in. Almost like a T. rex. Anybody who read this go watch a T. rex run then watch Danny Greene 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@yoe91]

this whole conversation comes down to: can you be the greatest if you're not clutch ? The answer is ? Probably - No. Everyone in the world believes greatness is clutchness, that's what they react to instantly. Is Lebron clutch ? Not really. At least that's not the perception, and that's on him.

[@georgel7222]

May I remind you that when Lebron went jumping to other teams, he was cherry picking superstar teammates to team up with, making them the strongest team in the east at that time. That's why he was able to consistently enter the finals multiple times. Now he's in the west with the Lakers. Lakers got eliminated that first year of Lebron, but in 2019-2020 many good players were on sick bay like the Golden State. The Lakers got AD, Rondo, and Howard. Ain't that an overkill Lakers super team? hhhh.... Then all the credit to Lebron only? He becomes GOAT because of that? Baloney!

[@rogermyles606]

I agree with that statement

[@adriant5541]

He need back to back not 6 in 21 yrs. Like I said Chris get em. Talk Defense Chris accomplishments

[@BodiggsAkaTheVoice]

It doesn't matter when you get your rings as long as you get em

[@bobbymoore2076]

@@BodiggsAkaTheVoice aaaah no sir

[@xnavmoney5_36]

He already had back to back in miami

[@ankletaker2729]

Paul George (1x Steals Leader) Kawhi Leonard (DPOY)(1x Steal Leader) Draymond Green (DPOY)(1x Steals Leader) Marcus Smart Klay Thompson Jimmy Butler Andre Iguodala Josh Smith Loul Deng Robert Covington A list of perimeter wing defenders LeBron faced in the playoffs. That’s not even mentioning guys like Gerald Wallace, Tony Allen, Shane Battier, Ron Artest, Andrei Kirilenko who he played against throughout the season. Kevin Garnett (DPOY) Tim Duncan (Robbed of Multiple DPOY) Roy Hibbert Serge Ibaka (2x Blocks Leader) Andrew Bogut (1x Blocks Leader) Dwight Howard (DPOY)(2x Blocks Leader) Tyson Chandler (DPOY) Hassan Whiteside (2x Blocks Leader) Bam Adebayo Joakim Noah (DPOY) Ben Wallace (DPOY)(1x Blocks Leader) A list of interior defenders LeBron faced in the playoffs. That’s not even mentioning guys like Marcus Camby, Rudy Gobert, Anthony Davis, Joel Embiid, Giannis who he played against throughout the season. If you watched MJ play reply to me with a list of his era as thorough as this.

[@aniketkarmkar8682]

Great back and forth

[@artemaz]

This debate is so silly and those stats are always looked at wrong. Here's a simple analogy to make this debate easy. If you had a car win six times in less time vs a car winning six times in more time + more tries (10+ times to attempt for a win 6 times), which car would you choose? The comparison of Lebron having more points + rebounds etc is silly because Jordan managed to win 6/6 with less effort + 2 years off. And then the debate about the competition today is also silly because I can tell you all of Lebron's teams outweigh any generation in basketball. Heck he had Ray Allen, Dwight Howard and other franchise superstars coming off the bench, so in that regard, despite how "hard" it is to win in today's league, Lebron actually has no excuse.

[@smokydrips3174]

Hmmm dwight was no more than a role player diminished superstar

[@ryanscott4866]

If he was the goat why do they have to fight so hard for him to be recognized as the goat bron is great by he will never be better then mj

[@ShaneOliverJaducana]

The fact that he won without all-time great teams speaks volumes.

[@GoatReactz]

Who won without alltime greats? You on drugs

[@lukasphillips2791]

Fax, that legit helps his cause if he hasn’t been on an all time time

[@victorperruna2396]

The Heat had the chance to be that. They underachieved. They underachieved specifically because of Lebron. The so called GOAT should've carried the Heat to a 3peat at the very least especially with his supporting cast. He promised more than 6 rings. The reason why none of Lebron's teams could be considered All Time Great teams is because of Lebron himself not living up to the potential. The argument for Lebron as the GOAT lies strictly in his cumulative stats over the course of his career and in trying to poke holes in Jordan's career. That's not a good look. Devaluing a more accomplished player's resume just to prop up the next "Chosen One" is not a good look at all.

[@antdaking]

Now this is a shining example of civil discourse!! GREAT JOB GENTLEMAN!!🔥🔥🔥

[@romanBHSWRESTLING]

Amazing debate

[@leeyoung9331]

Chris...that’s flawed logic...”All time great teams” all the more reason he’s the Goat....never had the all time great team and still got it done! “ Cherry Picking”

[@VVVY777]

Yeah that's how much of a PRIME RINGCHASER LeBron is....STACKED THE DECK...RINGCHASED IN HIS PRIME....still never built a dynasty. STILL NEVER PUSHED HIS TEAM TO BE AN ALL-TIME GREAT team. MJ WAS THE DYNASTY. MJ DOMINATED. LeBron dominated DeRozan, one-legged Rose and GOT DOMINATED BY THE WEST.

[@roww10]

@@VVVY777 Bill Russell, discussion over.

[@roww10]

@JERMAINE FISHER Not defending LeBron. You missed the point. Bill Russell is the G.O.A.T. You can't say that either Jordan or LeBron are most dominant. That distinction belongs to Wilt Chamberlain

[@back2back379]

@@roww10 Wilt is the most dominant at stat compiling. Shaq was actually more dominant. You can’t be the most dominant going 2-4 in the Finals.

[@back2back379]

@@roww10 Russell is the goat of his era. The modern NBA is considered post NBA-ABA merger, so Russell was the goat pre-merger.

[@bollocksnlilies]

Lebron hasn't made his mark culturally... I just can't anymore.

[@princekazhila2003]

😂😂😂😂

[@bollocksnlilies]

@@princekazhila2003 right??

[@princekazhila2003]

@@bollocksnlilies these ninjas be reaching now

[@MusicLuv80]

Thank you Chris! You the GOAT! I agree, how can this guy pull up the total stats and say Lebron had a better regular season? Come on guys! Lebron played longer. Jordan had to go to college. But if you just use the 15 seasons which Jordan played against Lebron's Jordan beats him in almost everything.

[@donaldphillips8312]

Not one 3 peat but two 3 peats Acho! He's played longer. That's why his statistics are better.

[@fixandmore2511]

The goal of basketball is to shoot and score. It ain’t matter how you did it. Individually, you’re better if you shoot more, assist more, rebound more, won mvp more, more defensive, more scoring titiles, more nba 1s team, etc. If you win chip, you’re a better team. These sports analysts are a joke giving more weight to chips rather than individual milestones in choosing a goat. After filling all the criteria and your edge is the chip then you’re the GOAT. Acho is right. Don’t cherry pick criteria. Individual criteria first then count the chip. On the other hand, if you have all the individual stats and don’t have chips and vice versa, you’re also out of the conversation. That’s why Bron is there because he filled up almost individual stats on top and have chips close to basketball greats.

[@laipenny8398]

Basketball is a team sport. How come MJ 6 rings was count into his personal achievement?

[@b1bbscraz3y]

exactly. this is why I say MJ is the "greatest" ever and LeBron is the best ever based on talent and numbers. the feat of winning a championship is something of greatness. winning 6 is a great feat. winning 6 out of 6 without losing is a great feat of accomplishment. MJ has so many "great" things over LeBron. but LeBron is the most talented player of all time. with his size he can literally play all 5 positions. he is the most versatile player to ever step foot on a court being able to score, pass, defend, rebound, everything that is valued on a basketball court

[@fixandmore2511]

@@laipenny8398 Basketball is very old but NBA has no official parameters in chosing the goat yet. I don't know why people believe on what these analysts have to say. People ride on and sometimes get too emotional when people pick their goat. But internet mostly has trolls. GOAT criteria Team accomplishment (ring) - 40% Individual accomplishment - 60% Excuses - 0% What do you think?

[@laipenny8398]

@@fixandmore2511 For me, I think MJ is the better player than LBJ although I am a LBJ fan. However, I didn't rate MJ over LBJ by Number of Champs and FMVP. I rated them based on my imagination that if I have the ball and I need to pass to 1 of them to take last shot in the NBA final, I must pass to MJ as he is more reliable finisher than LBJ.

[@fixandmore2511]

@@b1bbscraz3y Just my thought on how you describe the two. I think they can be both goat. Superlative "greatest and best ever" can't be foes. 🙂.

[@zeekay9941]

The fact that LeBron went to 9 straight finals adds to Broussard’s argument that 3-peats are HARD. He couldn’t 3-peat in those 9 tries. Acho actually strengthened CB’s take lol.

[@we-lit6071]

I TOTALLY AGREE!!!💯

[@ankletaker2729]

He should’ve 3 prayed in Miami but of course he choked away the Dallas series. Still making 8 straight finals without taking a “Break” or “Retirement” will most likely never be done again.

[@jeffchampion]

How can you chase rings and build super teams and be seen eye to eye with MJ? Lebron never endured in Cleveland but he did leave to join a super team. They are comparing apples to oranges.

[@Anthonycheesman33]

If we judge players on barber shop talk we in trouble because some of the dumbest takes happen at a barber shop lol.