LeBron winning his 4th title keeps him in GOAT debate with MJ - Broussard | NBA | SPEAK FOR YOURSELF

Chris Broussard joins Marcellus Wiley and Emmanuel Acho to discuss LeBron James winning his 4th NBA title. Broussard explains what this title means for LeBron's legacy and the GOAT debate.
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[@SpeakOnFS1]

What are your thoughts on LeBron's legacy?

[@onthecomeup_tv]

I think it’s time we stop debating who’s better and just appreciate the greatness that we are all witnessing!

[@kennyray4458]

Marcellus admit it you hate what Lebron James stands for and that’s why you are a fan of The Clippers 😂😂😂! You are like those white racist media that will not be satisfied with what ever Mr. James has accomplished and just what, this Brother needs to retire because he has nothing else to prove

[@kennyray4458]

Biggs 😂 😂😂😂Speak For Yourself producers are probably laughing at your comments because if you paid attention where Lebron James’ Over Stats sit amongst NBA Hall Of Famers (Top 3 in History!

[@jowsepowtepyow6033]

GOAT

[@joofmagoof2841]

Wait for LeBron to retire and see what people say.

[@skipbayless4375]

Why does Broussard get passed around like a blunt on all these talk shows. I swear he been on 5 of them today talking about the same thing

[@dieselx506]

Or Skip, Doug

[@RobertSmith-ow5kf]

@Moez Dhahri You would think he would have his own show

[@johnglover1832]

@@RobertSmith-ow5kf he does him and Rob Parker

[@RobertSmith-ow5kf]

@@johnglover1832 That show is a joke

[@RobertSmith-ow5kf]

@Moez Dhahri Any show with rob Parker is a joke. There is a reason he jumps around so much.

[@StillTre_]

MJ was crowned the GOAT after his 3rd championship, even tho Magic and Kareem both had more, and Bird had won just as many. Just saying...

[@alxfonso4924]

Thats because both magic and bird had the most talent but individually they couldn't impact a game like Jordan could. The eye test tells you thst Jordan is superior. Jordan won with pippin and Rodman. Lebron had Ad wade bosh love .and barely won 2 of the 4 rings. This is a fake debate by the NBA and ESPN to boost rating by having a new Jordan but Lebron falls way short of that

[@StillTre_]

@@alxfonso4924 And who did MJ face in the playoffs? Who's the KD that Mike went up against? Or the Steph Curry, or the Jimmy Butler, or the James Harden. How many MVPs did MJ have to go through to get his titles?

[@realestatewithraza]

Straight up. Lebron is a Beast.

[@FactsNoBias]

Was nobody calling Jordan the GOAT after 3 rings Lol

[@BernardMoon]

Magic said it after MJ's 2nd NBA title

[@riverofcustard5027]

Acho needs to stop saying Kawhi is a top 20 player all time, he's not even close.

[@bigboner23]

Debatable

[@lightsout827]

It isn't debatable. He is def top 20 in today's game but def not all time. He won his spurs title on the back of Duncan Parker and Ginobli, and he beat a severely injured warriors team that he would have gotten swept against otherwise. Or 1-4 at best. Had a "so called" stacked team this year and couldn't even get them past Denver. If he was a top 20 all time player he would have willed them past Denver . He is a great player just not near top 20 all time

[@MistahJay7]

somewhere between 30-40 Id say

[@Alloyd876]

@@MistahJay7 not even there,

[@MistahJay7]

@@Alloyd876 50? lol idk gota sit down and really look into now

[@thatgingerjay]

He's not my GOAT but he's an incredible player with an incredible physique. Well done to king James and his Lakers. Definitely the greatest player in the NBA since Jordan. Hope James continues his greatness as king and can hold off Giannis for as long as possible

[@rubixloverful]

Giannis not even the first Antetokounmpo to get a ring

[@thatgingerjay]

@@rubixloverful Didn't say he was.

[@realniggatalk1014]

Goat James

[@Pend3rlab]

So, is Montana the GOAT over Brady? I mean...Montana never lost a Superbowl...but Brady has lost several.

[@rubixloverful]

Chris Broussard just got shook with the "arbitrary category" rebuttal 😂

[@Ghanaba23]

"Without Lebron, Tye Lue is seen as a stepover for Allen Iverson" that genius 😂

[@UnexpectedWonder]

Nothin' but Facts!

[@cal-gpurevessele.m.3473]

The Rock 😂😂😂😂

[@MEanPenguin908]

If we are going to compare across eras don't we need to acknowledge that MJ would have quit after a few years since he couldn't even handle the 90s media with his affair, gambling etc. He wouldn't have survived in this day and age of constant investigations and nit-picking.

[@MrOgstyler]

True story...

[@fedeusa78]

Tough to argue against his 6 NBA finals losses. Is he the best player in this generation? Absolutely! Is he a top 3 player of all time, absolutely! As a Knicks fan I lived the MJ era through and through and MJ was just different. Teams were a lot more focused on Defense and were a lot more physical. The officiating was obviously less riguorous and what today would be a 10 game suspension, during the late 80's or 90's it was simply a flagrant foul. And so, watching MJ develop and expand his game going up against the Pistons, Pacers, Knicks, Blazers, The Jazz, the Cavs, the Suns, the Supersonics, was remarkable. Every team in the league was designed to stop him and they were never succesful, not once! And that's the biggest difference between the 2. Lebron lost 6 finals.....6........and if you go back to the film, you'll see his lack of situational awareness, his(lack of) clutch play in various situations and even being outplayed by other superstars, see 2011 and 2014. Not only that, he is 1-3(in finals) against one of the most lethal basketball teams the NBA has ever seen, the Warriors. So, to me, those 4 series against the Warriors were his chance to really gain the respect he is looking for. Now, did he elevate his Game in 2016? Absolutely! That was the only time he went into another zone, another frequency, that was the only time Lebron could have a cigar with MJ in the same table, thing is, MJ did it 6 times and never lost, in battle, if you get shot...you lose....The GOAT never got shot!!

[@sportstalkonly1442]

Nobody outplayed him in 2014 what are u talking about dude lmao

[@sportstalkonly1442]

Yea he never got shot except when he lost scored 19 vs the Celtics but it doesn't count. Anything that wasn't the finals doesn't count

[@Cahluvca]

Give that man called Lebron James his respect! Laker Nation approves this message

[@cal-gpurevessele.m.3473]

KLUV Salute!

[@johnminx2133]

The Laker's Will!!! win next year! LeBron will get number 5!

[@A.Oudit_]

Jordan - If you want an iso god that does not understand the laws of gravity no matter how many times you explain it to him LeBron - If you want to walk into a McDonalds, pick 4 random "ninjas" from the line , and carry them to the finals There is no wrong answer

[@sheldonsmith3570]

@Wayne S The Lakers were mostly injured last year. Look it up.

[@JunKim1983]

Imagine if Lebron was faithful, never gave up and worked hard for 9 years to finally win a Championship for the Cavs then won a 3 peat. Mom gets murdered, goes to an entirely different SPORT, comes back and wins ANOTHER 3 peat. All 6 Finals MVP. One team, one jersey. Never allowed a game 7. No losses. Never froze. 10 scoring titles. 9 time defensives. Hit the highest peak in the history of the game. Vast majority of the world acknowledges him as the GOAT. Then a new kid comes along, loses 6 finals. Hops around team to team to barely win 4. Has played longer than the other guy so he stacks stats, but since he's relevant now, people mention him in the GOAT conversation. Yea... exactly. MJ is GOAT.

[@theoakman80]

The guy has been stacking his teams for the past 10 years. Wade, Bosh, Irving, Love, and now AD.

[@ericjordan6059]

Thank you! That gets overlooked with this age of sensationalism. Always about the next best thing no matter how flawed their game is.

[@TRILLTALKTV]

that why it was so easy in the east he had 2 all stars on his team

[@RodC1987]

How is the the lakers a stack team with lebron and a.d only..a.d never been past a second round smh...

[@RobertSmith-ow5kf]

Lebron if he wins 10 titles: HeS sTiLl SeCoNd

[@emoneyizhereson]

I know you’re exaggerating, but let’s be real. The debate ends the moment lebron wins 6, IF he gets there. I believe he will, but it’ll be his last year or so IMO

[@Senza_1]

Heat Nation I mean no they’ll still bring up his losses. Like if it was better he just didn’t go to the finals until he was highly favorited lmfao.

[@jonathansalazar289]

@@emoneyizhereson i agree but the lebron haters will still find a way to diminish his success

[@jboogiewitdahoodie24]

LMAO, none of yall know basketball. Its not just about championships. Jordan is just purely better than lebron james as a basketball player. NO WEAKNESSES. I mean did yall even watch the video. lol, Heat Nation, Millions, Jonathan none of yall know or understand the game of basketball! None of you three even understood the points made in video smh lol.

[@HeeyOk]

He’s The Billy Goat 🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐 Eveytime they say someone is hating on LeBron and ring up the 3-6, the first name that always comes to mind is Skip Bayless 😂

[@gutikonga7161]

This is how you have a debate without sounding hateful, disrespectful or foolishly biased

[@tgueye42]

He been the 🐐 we need MJ to release another documentary so Lebron can use that as motivation for next year to repeat 😂

[@bmor3817]

He did he rereleased one into select theaters this Saturday I believe 😂

[@khaliyl21]

GOAT SLAYER you mean catch Jordan on finals mvps and rewrite the record books?

[@bmor3817]

@GOAT SLAYER Robert Harry has 7 rings ... is he the goat ? Bill has like what ? 10? Lebron being the goat isn’t a stretch at all especiallyif the argument is just rings and scoring .. lebron is the better all around player.. .. Jordan didn’t face as many HOF and or generational talents as lebron did in those finals .. Tim Duncan coached by one of the greatest coaches in basketball history and two additional stars in manu and Parker .. Dirk ..Jason Kidd .. Kevin Durant steph and klay .. and Jordan didn’t break through till all those guys .. bad boy pistons larry bird got old and pippen emerged as a two way star along with Phil Jackson emerging as a coaching guru .. lebron never had a coach who was established or revered until he bought them to the promise land

[@bmor3817]

@Topspin Tennis 2020 do you tryna say phil jackson didn’t have a mind for the game ? And I can be an as and say two cause he won with the knicks as a player and even his coach red holzman raves about his mind for the game

[@UnexpectedWonder]

@@bmor3817 Bill Russell has 11 Rings. Thank-you! Kareem Abdul-Jabar has 6 as well.

[@luckilew]

LeBron is just the G.O.A.T of this generation thats all. Kobe is the GOAT of my generation. Jordan is the GOAT of the generation before me and so on. This conversation is stupid.

[@luckilew]

@TheGoats#23 #GreatestSF#GreatestSG its nice to see you're a logical thinker.

[@Rob-ht1mu]

I understand you bro, but the GOAT stands for greatest of all time. Not greatest of the 90s or 2000s.

[@luckilew]

@@Rob-ht1mu I tell people this. I think the Jordan 13's are the G.O.A.T of shoes based on what I like and how it fits. You may say that the Jordan 11's are the greatest. Neither of us are wrong we just have different opinions.

[@luckilew]

@TheGoats#23 #GreatestSF#GreatestSG the way I look this too is. Were there any blips for you. Were there any teams that stopped you from winning and for Bron i can name 3.

[@Rob-ht1mu]

@Polo J True

[@cal-gpurevessele.m.3473]

Acho exposing Kylie oops Kyrie for the fraud that he is, sneak dissing LBJ wit all those L’s he was taking before and now after LBJ!😂😂

[@TheKiddballer21]

Lebrons whole bread n butter when it wasn't a dunk or lay up was the mid-range pull up. It's not until the last 10 years that he's moved behind 3 pt line. Jordans weakness is he can't guard all 5 positions, his mentality (just as much of a strength) and his inefficiency as a scorer to name a few. Every play has weaknesses

[@ericjordan6059]

Riddle me this, if Lebron can guard all 5 positions, why wasn't he able to do so in 2009 when Dwight Howard and Orlando beat them when Cleveland went 66-16 and were supposed to meet the Lakers in the Finals? What about the very next year when Cleveland finished 61-21 and lost to the 4th seeded Boston Celtics? Stop making excuses and lying through omission. Learn the game and about ya boy!

[@randellllarena7525]

@@ericjordan6059 Is a 6'6" player supposed to guard a 4 or a 5? Can Lebron hold off Shaq? Heck can he even hold of Embiid? Eric above mentioned he wasn't even able to hold of Howard during his heydays in Orlando so your argument that Lebron can guard all 5 is stupid.

[@soeradjnarain341]

Stupid comparisons realy..we could reverse this and say: LeBron before Wade and after.. the thing is that with LeBron he constantly switched to better players whereas Irvin or Wade did not.. LeBron constantly switched teams and bundled with players who might have been a treat to him in order to get rings. Something unheard of by proud and dominant players in early days. We talk about how LeBron shined against the Heat and winning finals MVP?? Realy? A team that actualy had no bussiness going this far. Against better oposition AD was far better in prvious rounds but now it as if LeBron lead the Lakers to Glory. A team effort if you ask me in general

[@UnexpectedWonder]

2018 & 2019 invalidate your claim.

[@UnexpectedWonder]

@Wayne S He chose the Contract. He could've opted out.

[@Phokyocouch]

He needs to get that 3PEAT then he will be considered the GOAT. I SEE A 3PEAT COMING

[@kyoza1911]

MJ cant guard post up Magic or Penny or any big man and he cant create for other and he never be a treat from out side. All his career he never won against any super team.

[@ericjordan6059]

Ummmm you lost all credibility with that garbage you just spewed!

[@JD-te6vm]

Lebron rings were worth more. He went against 3/4 HoF each finals. Dallas 2

[@vensil411]

@GOAT SLAYER steph, kd, klay, dirk, duncan are perennial all stars

[@BernardMoon]

Dallas? That was just Dirk. Kidd was old. Spurs? Duncan was 38 when he lost. Either read more or stop making up stuff.

[@TheFlowBrothers]

Bernard Moon 07 spurs and 17/18 warriors are without question the top 5 toughest teams to beat in nba history.

[@cicciobombabumbumcha]

@@BernardMoon u know Duncan was an all star that year

[@JD-te6vm]

@@BernardMoon fooool! Kidd is a HoF ! Old or not!

[@donaldlacro7627]

MJ The Real GoaT is a multi-dimensional player compared to Lebron. His "Longevity" is actually a slow-paced, longer accomplishments, no big deal. Bron's legacy is that he has the best NBA career but not The GoaT. MJ is The GoaT.

[@cameronray1387]

LeBron is the 🐐, MJ needed Phil and Scottie

[@Space_Cowboy_Revolver]

Yeah because Lebron won all by himself. People need to stop acting like Lebron had no help.

[@randellllarena7525]

And Lebron needed Kyrie, Wade, Bosh, Ray Allen's 3 during the 2013 finals, now AD. MJ only needed one legit star in Scottie and maybe defensive stalwart Rodman. Phil became a HOFer because of the Bulls. Phil was a nobody before the Bulls coaching job.

[@eaglesfan1999]

Y’all only talk about “MJ had Pippen” LeBron needed Wade Bosh AD Ray Allen Kyrie K-Love Bron, Dwayne Wade, and Bosh was all the in the same 2003 Draft Class bruh. Bron drafted #1, Bosh #4, Wade #5. They all play on the same roster in the PRIME. No team has ever had that advantage dude. Really think about that. Let’s put Hakeem Olajuwon, MJ, and Charles Barkley on one team in their primes and see the results. That’s 1984 draft class top 5. That’s exactly what LeBron did to get his first 2 ring and then you want me to call him the GOAT!?!??? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 you must be out your mind

[@ohsaywhat3230]

Put Lebron on that Bulls team...in fact, put Prime KD, Wade, Kobe, Kawhi, T-Mac, etc. on that bulls team, Same result as Jordan. The bulls team is going down as one of the best TEAM of all time with the golden state warriors. So how can you argue that Jordan is the GOAT? What if Lebron had that cast WITH Phil Jackson?

[@wlbw1]

And they still lost to the Mavericks 🤦‍♂️

[@ohsaywhat3230]

@@wlbw1 Yea....Like I said, with put Lebron on the team Jordan won a championship with...Jordan couldnt even get out of the 1st round before he got pippen.

[@TheVanexel23]

@@ohsaywhat3230 People never mention Bron didn't even make the playoffs his 1st 2 years🤔✌

[@lawrence9515]

bron could win 10 in a row at this point and still be disrespected

[@pjbrownemusic]

You are right

[@UnexpectedWonder]

Absolutely!

[@MrKhris1king]

Yo if AD went to the bulls and lebron folllowed and Chicago won ..Jordan fans would lose they’re minds 😂 Jordan did have a weakness he was a he didn’t shoot the 3 good on a daily basis

[@ericjordan6059]

Shooting the 3 good is not a weakness, it is a choice. A weakness entails a part of the game that is NEEDED and a player doesn't fare well at it, to the detrimentof the team. You don't need the 3 to win games or get points. It becomes a weakness when players don't stop using it, which then it becomes a detriment to the team.

[@anantgandhi1717]

King James is the goat

[@dieselx506]

"Most" meaning Skip, Rob Parker and Doug, funny how most of the sports haters analyst are from FS1

[@leetraviusmckay2919]

"people keep on asking whose the greatest of all time that's a stupid question the real question should be who is the greatest team of all time" - Michael Jordan

[@geronimopratt7976]

Greatest team during a season or greatest team franchise?

[@raiderspraidersp]

If lebron is the goat why can't u just say he better then mj lol

[@Camefromnone]

exactly 😂

[@superdopehiphop]

LeBron in 4th qts of Finals 85%, MJ 79%! LeBron also higher 2P% & 3P% in Finals 4th quarters

[@Ava-jp4hw]

Uhhh on MJ era you cant double team someone coz its against the rules.. lebron getting all that numbers while being doubled and tripled team.. next...

[@UnexpectedWonder]

@@Ava-jp4hw Exactly!

[@Ava-jp4hw]

@Krazie Genius if you only look at the paper yeah.. but people who actually watched MJ knows that the NBA shortened the 3pt line on his era for 2 years.. but yeah, simpleton like you gonna compare their 3pt% just the same like it never happened.. your brain not capable enough to think harder mr Genius? LOL

[@brockaustin1018]

Acho be preaching yo!!!

[@cmaplefreak]

They said it Mike is a better iso scorer. Lebron does everything else better. Lebron can have more success with nobody teammates (first run in cleveland) than michael ever could.

[@atibagaskin77]

Thats facts! That Cavs team was trash & if Kyrie didn't get hurt that yr he might of had 2 rings with them. He played out of his mind in that finals. Should've won MVP.

[@cmaplefreak]

@@atibagaskin77 I was talking about his first run in 2006-2010. But I agree with ur point. He singlehandedly won 2 games against the warriors without his 2nd best player and his third best player.

[@UnexpectedWonder]

Nothin' but Facts!

[@nael2770]

hmm.. yeah, they should revoke all-star status of Love, Irving, Wade, Bosh, Davis... without them, he cannot even go to the play-offs.. did you forget last year? that is FACTS!

[@ericjordan6059]

The difference is in the positions they played and what each could, or couldn't, do. Jordan has no weaknesses whereas Lebron does. A main one is Lebron cannot play off the ball so he needs to play point, a position where he consistently controls the ball (That is why he has a difficulttime playing forwardas well, but I digress). It also took him years to become comfortable/effective in playing that position. Jordan played the position towards the end of the 89 season (around 24 games) and almost averaged a triple double during that stretch, while the team finished above .500. He acclimated immediately and got better each game. That is how he finished that season at 32, 8, 8. It is funny how Lebron fans, stans, commentators, and so-called basketball aficionados forget this small morsel of information maybe by lying through omission or convenient amnesia. There is nothing Lebeon can do that Jordan couldn't but there are a few things Jordan could do that Lebron can't.

[@Fj3]

Jordan has no weaknesses? Broussard might have pronounced "LeBron" wrong because last time I checked, Jordan didn't have a three-point shot. LeBron, on the other hand, if not by consensus the GOAT, is unanimously known as the best all-around player ever.

[@ericjordan6059]

That is not a weakness. It becomes a weakness, and a detriment, when you overuse that novelty shot. If it was a weakness, Jordan would have never won anything at all. Lebron has a few weaknesses and the rules changes have helped Lebron, and others, along tremendously. Try again.

[@tammaralsadkhan6739]

Lebron can’t shoot free throws, and is bad at defense

[@jamesdonald1301]

Steve Kerr probably wouldn't have his job and John Paxton wouldn't had his job and to be honest who was Phil Jackson before joining Chicago come on now and Stacey King a analyst for the bulls organization come on... not taking anything from LBJ

[@jboogiewitdahoodie24]

🤣😂😂🤣👍 Their face when Chris Broussard hit them with straight FACTS “MICHAEL Jordan is the only player in NBA history to have no weaknesses in his game”!!!! 💯 Y’all Lebron fans will never brainwash people who know basketball into thinking he’s the GOAT! JORDAN = Greatest Player Ever

[@TheVanexel23]

Lol...Bron fans just can't handle the truth!!...Wiley just cuttin' Broussard off🤣✌

[@1jkillings]

A finals and finals mvp can only elevate your resume. Ion get the debate 🤷🏿‍♂️🤷🏿‍♂️🤷🏿‍♂️

[@isaiahstubbs9615]

BECAUSE LEBRON LOST SO MANY FINALS. THE ONLY WAY HE CAN SURPASS JORDAN IS IF HE WINS JUST AS MANY

[@Ava-jp4hw]

So using your logic, Giannis had a bettrr playoffs run than Jimmy Butler coz Butler lost in the finals and Giannis lost in the 2nd round. LOL

[@kingearnest8517]

Michael Jordan never went to another team to win championships he stayed with Chicago bulls

[@thornflex391]

Cb got served....

[@Ejr82u]

i didnt know its a check list?

[@TRILLTALKTV]

why they put wade up there like he aint win before lebron

[@JamesGoyard28]

Acho made a great argument, well said

[@gradymckinney7306]

Mj cant hit step back 3s lol He couldnt defend 1-5 at any point of his career

[@gradymckinney7306]

@1life To live so? Bron was too. Whats that supposed to mean?

[@cnothegoat23]

Lebron better at everything else? Like defense? Off ball offense? Clutch performance? FREE THROWS

[@MistahJay7]

Give me 2013 Bron on Defense over any of MJS years. Completely Robbed of DPOY that year.

[@zach6395]

@@MistahJay7 😆

[@MistahJay7]

@@zach6395 1991 Finals Magic torches Michael Jordan and gets him in foul trouble having Scottie guard him for the rest of the series. Lol Imagine LeBron in Miami having to have D wade guard Paul george or something. Lmao

[@UnexpectedWonder]

LeBron is better in the Clutch. The Defense is debatable @ least.

[@randellllarena7525]

@@UnexpectedWonder better in the clutch? MJ's clutch performances in 1997 and 1998 finals ring a bell? The so-called "Last Shot" didn't mean anything?

[@georgettegreen3961]

On point dressing bro's

[@exodus3518]

No weakness? 3 point shooting

[@ericjordan6059]

Again, that is not a weakness. If it is overused, that is a weakness because it becomes a detriment to the team. That is what a weakness entails, a part of the game that is NEEDED and a player doesn't fare well in that scenario. We are talking about passing, free throws, rebounding, high-percentage shots, defense, etc.

[@uptowngunnafromdab9927]

Lebron isn’t a shooter he’s just bigger than everyone so he throws his shoulder and drives to the basket layups shouldn’t count as shooting 50% from the field it exaggerates how the player is really scoring

[@trevonncrooks]

So 8 straight NBA finals is not dominant? 🤔

[@UnexpectedWonder]

Exactly!!!

[@randellllarena7525]

I'll take 2 3-peats over 8 straight finals (4-10) any day. And the Heat had that great lineup assembled and they only managed to win 2 is questionable because they promised not 1, not 2, not 3, but 5, right?

[@Atclav]

The media makes you hate LeBron. It is maddening how they obsess over this man. He is one of the best but there is no best. No no one player is the best ever.

[@virgilioantonio2713]

SO IT'S BETTER TO BE THE BEST ALL AROUND PLAYER THAN INDIVIDUAL PLAYER THAT CANT ELEVATE HIS TEAM MATES LEVEL OF PLAYING. I'M NOT A LEBRON FANATIC ...MAGIC JOHNSON FAN

[@ericjordan6059]

It is better to be a leader who helps their teammates develop into good players/superb role players.

[@LJ_in_VR]

The chemistry on this show after Whitlock left has been phenomenal. Acho is a great co-host.

[@ohsaywhat3230]

Michael had 2 3peats...Kobe/Shaq had the other 3peat. Who owns all the 3peats in the modern era..? It is Phil Jackson. He is the Common Denominator. Kobe nor Jordan won without Phil Jackson. And don't tell me that Jordan made Phil, because he never won without him. And does a Player besides Lebron ever make a coach Great? to the point of getting 3 3peats and 11 rings???

[@truthhurts6416]

Lebron is a better scorer because he is more efficient and took less shots if lebron averaged 25 shots per game I'm sure he could of averaged Jordan numbers but I love Jordan but I'll take lebron first anyday

[@ericjordan6059]

Lebron averages around 69% of his shots for his career from 10ft on in from the rim. The reason is because of the rules changes that opened the lanes and protect the offensive player (a la Nash, Tony Parker). It is very simple to understand when you watch the game from a cerebral standpoint.

[@truthhurts6416]

@@ericjordan6059 yeah because he was the best at it this year alone idk if you watched the bubble he had 188 field goals u acting like I never saw Jordan play lebron is a better overall player he should of won dpoy in 12 and have another mvp in 09 and 16 I know real basketball Jordan was great but lebron averages 35 in game 7s and he probably going to end up as the number 1 scorer of all time the argument for Jordan won't be long soon

[@truthhurts6416]

@@ericjordan6059 u talking about rule changes I highly doubt lebron still wouldn't dominate in the 90s I don't see nothing to prove otherwise

[@ericjordan6059]

@@truthhurts6416 ... The rules changes mean a lot. Proves you have no clue. This means they were changed to help the offensive player. If Nash could win 2 league MVP awards living in the paint how does that not help Lebron and the rest??? And you probably saw Jordan play during the second 3-peat because all you talk about is the 90s. Your knowledge-base is limited. Lebron has weaknesses that would've hindered his game if he played back then. That is a fact. And no he would not dominate in the 90s. He would've been another talented player losing to Jordan just like the rest.

[@truthhurts6416]

@@ericjordan6059 dude u know u can watch any game on KZbin are u good bro u sound like u forgot your meds?😂😂😂😂

[@crush1221]

Wiley... You could literally flip Pippen's screen without Jordan, to Jordan without Pippen.

[@geechiepolo]

Abraham Lincoln???? Tf

[@atibagaskin77]

Lebron is the Goat. His individual accomplishments kills MJ.

[@ericjordan6059]

Is that by design? Let's engage beyond the numbers because they give a false sense of what has taken/is taking place.

[@missalhymns-topic2389]

If that individual accomplishments produced championship rings, I would agree.

[@andyjames4723]

Jordan stayed with his team mates, through blood,sweat and tears, he made it happen, he did not jump ship to chase the treasure.

[@juniorcarmona323]

He played like 15 yrs and only went to the finals 6 times Why ???? He kept getting bounced in the first round Lebron took scrubs to the finals when he was just 22 He's the undisputed GOAT and his cement is still wet Jordan is set in stone

[@tammaralsadkhan6739]

@@juniorcarmona323 what do u mean undisputed, only like 10 percent of people believe that. MJ by far is the goat and I’m not even a Jordan fan

[@juniorcarmona323]

@@tammaralsadkhan6739 nope

[@jermainebailey4264]

Marcellus Wiley is freaking hilarious.... top five debater ESPN or Fox or NBC

[@jhonc2725]

Better at everything ELSE???? REALLY????

[@Sam-ub2vu]

Yes

[@yongyi2785]

What happened to Kawhi with PG?

[@BernardMoon]

Wiley is stupid. MJ only better at iso? Please research stats. Defensive, efficiency, peak performance, etc. I'm not a chips person nor longevity. MJ just is better by advanced metrics, post-season performance and peak performance. If you truly believed in longevity, you would have Karl Malone in your top ten and I don't. MJ led the NBA in scoring 10x and post-season scoring 10x, 1st in PER (player efficiency rating) in NBA history, AND data geeks at FiveThirtyEight created RAPTOR, a “new metric for the modern NBA” in 2019. They explained how they wanted to create a statistic that “better reflects how modern NBA teams actually evaluate players, AND MJ still comes out on top. Not sure you guys understand how AMAZING THIS IS. MJ PLAYED when players didn't follow metrics and efficiency like today's players do, and he still came out #1 in PER AND RAPTOR, which is an advance metric more for today's modern NBA starting from the "Warrior's Era". And who cares about longevity stats that Marcus ended with? Did LeBron lead in points and assists multiple times during the NBA season? NO. So he plays longer and builds up more stats? Is that the primary argument from Wiley? So WEAK.

[@elmehdinafia1237]

How is marcellus went from a Bron hater to a Bron fan this quickly?

[@g_raheem9034]

but why are you yelling lol

[@brandonseals5588]

Lol

[@jeremiahbrigham5090]

Death by 1000 paper cuts lol

[@omokhowa]

Why is every basketball discuss always about The GOAT? I immediately tune out anytime I hear the talking heads unceasingly making this a topic of discourse. It shows laziness and not been original in thoughts and ideas.

[@andreslopez5069]

No one cares about this year's title - this year's bubble games were pathetic.

[@ericjordan6059]

Yes they were.

[@curbyourenthusiazm]

How were they pathetic? You clearly didn't pay attention.

[@mirek1178]

What is the narrative that lebron is a better defender than Jordan? When Wiley said Jordan’s just an iso scorer?

[@nael2770]

all this rings determining goat status... Robert Horry: am I a joke to you? without me, Houston would not have won.. without me, Lakers would not have 3-peat.. without me, San Antonio would not have won.. where were they before I arrived? less rings than when I arrived that's where...

[@ericjordan6059]

It is a part of it. Lebron stans state it means nothing until it suits them. It is a complete culmination of rings plus other tangibles. You have to nitpick when talking about GOAT status.

[@eddiewalker9058]

Bill Russell had how many?

[@kristophertamarra5754]

What "typical" 4-6 are you talking about

[@traceyjoyner5301]

If you seen Kobe play and you seen Michael Jordan play and you sing LeBron play. Ask yourself this which one would you take on your team.don't ask the question unless you're going to be honest.

[@raiderspraidersp]

Isn't Wiley a clippers fan

[@dpistons149]

Mike won his 6th at 35 and won finals and Regular season mvp and was a better defender than Lebron at that age. 1st team all defense.

[@majinLurkio]

Bruh...LeBron is the greatest. Everywhere he goes, no matter who is on his team he goes to the finals. He has taken the least talented teams to the finals solely by him. He's the greatest piece if you're building a team to start with. He is taller, stronger, faster, can dribble better, can shoot better from 3, and better I.Q. than Jordan.

[@lennox.6447]

When did we ask? Lol but keep watching LBJ videos y’all must be nervous huh lol

[@ccae07]

Yea but lebron is in his 17th year (really 18th, it’s October the season starts around this time) and by year 13 Jordan was not the same . Lebron will continue to produce the next 3 years before falling off

[@majinLurkio]

@@lennox.6447 jordan could not win anything without pippen. Period. He had a hall of fame coach. Stacked dynasty team. Paxson, Kerr, pippen, kukoc, Longley, harper. When jordan left the bulls the first time the very next year the bulls without jordan and everyone there went to the eastern conf finals game 7. When LeBron leaves teams they immediately are trash. Everywhere LeBron goes, no matter who is there he is so great that he takes anyone wearing the same jersey to the finals.

[@dpistons149]

Odell just letting you guys know winning a title at 35 has been done before. MJ didn’t have a dominant player like Anthony Davis on his team either.

[@williamvirella8489]

Leclown is the goat of losing more finals than he's won! Stop trying to elevate this clown past mj!

[@jasonspades7775]

MJ is a better scorer/shooter and defender. What is that 1 rebound and 1 assist really worth?

[@mirek1178]

And Jordan made pippen an all time great, kerr and paxson well known clutch shooters. Phil Jackson best coach ever

[@SirCharles824]

Wondering... If it was 4-0, record for Lebron, does it sound better?

[@ATG-gu3ei]

LBJ has 17 yrs in the NBA and has 4 rings n 4 MVP's to show for it.. that's pretty good but NOT GOAT STATUS..js

[@jihadsmith762]

Its also sad that these lebron stans act like a 3 peat means nothing.

[@georgebutt3631]

U left Kobe out Marcellus

[@jariuswilliams1296]

Vogel and Spo were known as good coaches without LeBron

[@pjbrownemusic]

MJ was not a good 3 point shooter

[@jurajchovanec5250]

Sad argument Acho!

[@jonoak]

He's talking about all superstars only rodman came with a resume that played with Jordan or coached Mike!

[@ericjordan6059]

Remember, Phil Jackson took over the head coaching position in 89-90 after spending 2 years as an assistant coach with the Bulls. Let's not act like we forgot that truth bruh. And Rodman was past his prime but still effective. Riddle me this, why wasn't Rodman able to produce the 2 years he played in San Antonio prior to joining the Bulls?

[@jonoak]

@@ericjordan6059 what's your point I'm having a hard time understanding what you are getting at

[@ericjordan6059]

I addressed what you put out about Rodman and the coaching. What did Rodman do before hand and where was Phil Jackson before Chicago?

[@jonoak]

@@ericjordan6059 no that's my point nick write acts like jordan didn't make phil jackson a hall of fame coach and he acts like jordans teams were stacked and they weren't and for the young people who don't know better he tries to combine both teams as if he had all the players from both 3peats all the way through like Russell who played with 8 other hall of famers

[@ericjordan6059]

@@jonoak … Oh ok. That was a misunderstanding on my part

[@georgebutt3631]

Hey Chris 3peat is dominant well what about bill Russell and the Celtics who won 8 straight now that is dominant this Jordan narrative keeps getting weak and weak by the day first he was the greatest scorer then he was mister clutch then it was 6 championship now it’s 2 3peats Jordan fan keep moving the post in another 5 year or less Jordan won’t been in top ten scoring and Jordan couldn’t get out of the first round for 9 year and through his career Isaiah Thomas owned him just look at the head between Detroit and bulls back then is Jordan the greatest iso player ever yes but not the greatest leader when it come to championship that’s bill Russell will 11 in 13years and Jordan not the best all round player cause he could only play one position that honour goes to magic which LeBron May have over taken lol 😂

[@ericjordan6059]

Russell, as well as James, has/had weaknesses and their resume has holes that can't be patched up. That is where you begin when dealing with greatest ever discussions. Numbers can be swayed and don't tell the reasoning behind them.

[@georgebutt3631]

@@ericjordan6059 Jordan could only play one position unlike Russell who could play center and powerforward in Russell 13 years he went to 12 championship winning 11 including 8 straight Jordan only got to final 6 times on his 15 year career I don’t know where u watch sports but a 13 year career with 12 championship appearances and 11 championships is far more dominant that a 15 year career 6 championship appearances and 6 championship but jut 2 3peats that’s the problem Jordan fan they keep change what is dominant so they can keep a dead beat dad who turn his back on his race and let social injustice had to he can be called the goat

[@ranierholmes47]

They both are the two greatest ever But Bron is 1 jordan 1A

[@emilyneviota2720]

Too close between Michael Jordan and LeBron James but I think LeBron gonna be the GOAT soon when he be the all time leading scorer

[@cenvalleybasketball]

So wait a min.... just because lebron decides to go and team up with other stars instead of building with one team and winning he now individually gets credit for making others greater but....MJ gets the "he didn't win until pippen" BS? How come MJ didn't make scottie great? How come Wade didn't make Lebron great? I swear this narrative gets more and more disturbing lmao. Lebron gets individual praise for making it to the finals and winning but then they cry TEAM game when he loses or MJ gets brought up for more rings lol can't have it both ways, he either gets credit for leading a great TEAM or he gets roasted for his INDIVIDUAL finals record. Which one y'all?

[@bigboner23]

The thing with mj is he will stick with your franchise for the entirety of his career and win the chip if you give him an allstar. Lebron on the other hand might bounce after winning one or two. Love both but I rather have one’s loyalty and excellence for less years but more guarantees.

[@meechiiee2215]

MJ will also retire and not play for your team if he doesn’t have the right coach or teammates just saying

[@Ava-jp4hw]

Hi bird brain.. not everybody is lucky enough to end up in a great organization like MJ.. look what happened to Iverson who stayed in an organization who doesnt know how to build a team

[@UnexpectedWonder]

The Wizards didn't occur?

[@soeradjnarain341]

LeBron will eventualy surpass MJ in stats. But that is logical given the fact that he is still playing for far more seasons than MJ. Does this make him the GOAT then? In that case longevity is the criteria. We should analyse percentage wise. Then we see how much MJ is above LeBron who actualy only effectively played 12 seasons (almost 1 season his ankle was broken). GOAT actualy characterizes Dominance which nobody showed better than MJ. It wasn't only winning but the way he did it. You have to see his full games and not his highlights only to know what i mean. Comming 4th quarter it was like an assurance that MJ would win it. Nobody panicked, just give the ball to MJ and play your part. Thats it. But when you watch LeBron play, do you feel assured that his team will win comming 4th quater? Or do you bite all your nails and hope for the best..that was by far the biggest gap in level and mentality. With MJ you know you'll win, with LeBron you never know. If that isn't the biggest reason for GOAT conversation then i don't know what is..

[@UnexpectedWonder]

You sure you wanna bring up averages?

[@longhitter84]

When LBJ wins his 5th ring, he may surpass Kobe.

[@curbyourenthusiazm]

Lmaaao. RIP Kobe but he's not even close to LeBron

[@tammaralsadkhan6739]

@@curbyourenthusiazm disrespectful, I have lebron ahead but that’s why people hate bronsexuals, no respect for the game

[@curbyourenthusiazm]

@@tammaralsadkhan6739 thats not disrespect its fact 🤷🏾‍♂️ im sorry your emotions for Kobe are clouding your thinking ability

[@johncapo2843]

I am the elevator - lebron

[@dwaynespence8114]

Tim duncan is 5-1 in the finals